Google it on UA-cam its really interesting, her dad emergrated from the Liverpool to Australia, when I was younger there was a magic shop in Liverpool called the wizards den and he worked in there
It's one of those things... she's either very skilled at swapping out things "in full sight", or her props must be crazy so she can just hand them over to Penn&Teller
@@jasonjackson5696 i want her back too. Alysson is funny. But she is now dancing with the stars. Besides Season 10 is already recorded. And waiting for airing. Alysson leaving fool us will remain a mystery.
I didn't figure it out but once reading someone else's solve, it's pretty simple. Cool trick. You can see the two records very briefly when she drops it into the box, at 2:25 - the hole in the middle is perfectly aligned, and then when the record is dropped (2:27) you can see the two records are slightly out of line, meaning the hole is more crescent moonish, rather than fully round. Cool trick. Props to her Dad, he's clearly got a knack for making some awesome gimmicks!
I gotta say: that's not an explanation at all. You just noticed a weird thing. Two records doesn't explain the core of the trick. I noticed a weird thing too at 4:42 where the needle pops out and then back in for one frame and you can hear it click. Maybe a quarter to half an inch. I think I remember Penn saying something like "lay people think they've figured a trick out when they can only figure out the first 10 percent, but magicians don't claim to have figured out a trick until they can explain even the last 10 percent."
@@htomerif I agree, so maybe she put in two records, and when she lifted the one out, she was still putting the needle through a second still in the case. What still needs explaining is where the "extra" record went.
@@grimmriffer I'll tell you what I know. There are at least two needles, a trick one for the beginning and one to be examined later, probably a third part of one for the "through the record" bit. The sleight of hand here was a lot more important than the props. I don't know, and I don't think anyone else here knows whether the P&T podium is a prop. I know it is for some of the cups and balls routines and that's the easiest way to explain where everything you weren't supposed to see went. If the podium wasn't a prop, then I don't have any idea how *every* part of this trick was done. If the podium was a prop, then I just don't know *which* way it was done. I'll add that Brooke is in on some of the tricks. Some tricks like versions of the Lady's Looking Glass that have been performed on P&T would be painfully obvious how they're done from her perspective. I think Alyson was a lot better at pretending to be surprised and there's a reason they hire an actor for that spot. A lot of people didn't like Alyson but they didn't understand how difficult her job actually was.
Notice at 2:22 How one side of the record is glossy and when she flips it, the other side is matt and the reflection of the light does no longer move on it
yes, looks very fake because the light reflections on the record never move unless she spins the record. Almost looks just like a sheet of paper printed to look like a record, but it is clearly stiff enough to hold its shape.
@@jeremyrjackson she puts a real record and a fake record into the box at the same time. She threads the needle and ribbon through both at the same time, then lifts the fake record out of the box. She threads the needle back through the real record before pushing the fake record down, which then collapses in some way and falls into the cabinet. The revealed record at the end is real, as is the needle, which is why she was happy to give them to P&T. Of course, immediately offering them to P&T also served the purpose of distracting them from coming up and inspecting the box/cabinet.
There's two records. The initial reveal of the record shows that it is rather thick. It's both a regular record and a gimmick record. It might be why she has Brooke stand back a few steps so she doesn't see how thick the record is. The gimmick record has a collapsible groove in it to allow the needle to pass through it. Both records go in the box. The needle and ribbon go through both records. Brooke grabs the ends of the ribbons. Helen pulls the gimmick record up leaving the original record in the box with the ribbon through the hole. The ribbon is now going from Brooke's left hand, through the side of the box then the real record in the box, up to the gimmick record, back down to the hole in the back of the box and to her right hand. She then puts the needle through only the real record. When she reinserts the gimmick record, she spins the record to line up the groove so that the needle collapses the gimmick allowing the needle to pass through it. After it's in, the groove is pointing down and you can see her spin the record in the box on the needle with her finger two times to get the record to spin 180 degrees. The groove in the gimmick record is now lined up vertically with the needle, she lets go of it, the record drops out of sight and we hear it land as she removes her hands from the box. She then pulls out only the real record with the needle and the ribbon through it.
@@pepwaverley2185.. Try to think of two discs... One with a slit.. One without. 1_ Pull the opne with a slit up 2_ Leave the one without the slit in the same position. 3_ insert the neadle through the one still in position. 4_Lower the disc with the slit all the way down til it disapears somwhere under the box 5_Show off the disc with the needle in it (And no slits for the needl to be able to escape) VERY clever system... Hats off tho her father for coming up with this (Albeit I am NOT a fan of the daughter's arrogant character presentation. It was a "bit" funny at first, but now: she is only annoying).
needle goes in two parts, box has the system to keep it place while drops record through it, after reveal she rotates it to lock it place, so it doesn't come apart while P&T examines.
My best guess: it's a variation on the the doughnut on the ribbon trick. Two records (instead of doughnuts), one is a real actual record, the other, that get pushed down is made of some destructible material that breaks and falls through a hole in to the base. The Coghlans used a trick chemical as 'milk' in their previous fool of P&T, which points to them having some expertise in trick materials.
The record she pulled up is fake like a thick paper. The contraption allows the thick record paper to slide down and ribbon slide out of its cut. When the assistant pulls the string, she pulls the string out of the fake record. The main difference is the shininess of the fake and the real record.
Oh I get it. She used egg whites to lubricate record number 3 so when she pulled the ribbon records number 1 and 3 dissolved leaving only record number 2 which absorbed all of the egg white residue hence why P and T were fooled. What a genius design. “Props” to her!
The record is threaded with ribbon, then a second gimmocked record that came up from the table or whatever is lifted, with a second ribbon. They stick the needle through the original record and then lower the second fake record into the table. Handing the ungimmicked record for inspection.
Great trick, love the idea that she was really not only there for a record, but also to break a record. I think she even broke 2 records, well, literally just one of the two.
yes, I also think that she inserted 2 records, and pull out only one of them. And when reinserting it, she probably broke it or cut it with a sharp blade in some way. And maybe the two pieces are hidden in the back doors ? Anyway, the other record always remained intact in the box.
@@DaveHbsK The 2 pieces could easily drop into the table, 2nd record could have come up from the table as well. Anyway, much easier when you can rewind and watch again (and look at the label, for example). After seeing it only once, I had no idea...
Look at 4:39 to 4:41 in slow motion. It's clear that the needle gets shorter and then longer. You can even see the color change on the threaded end of the needle. It's hollow, and split into two. When the record first gets inserted, it splits apart into two pieces. Then the hole reaches the needle, and it "jumps" out to be longer again. There's clearly an outside tube to hide the inner workings, and an inner rode to connect the two halves and make them stronger. She fooled them because they knew the needle was gimmicked, but the machining was so good they couldn't figure out how. It just looks like a solid needle. There's clearly some trick to set it up. The wooden thing at the beginning is likely key to setting it up.
Me: pretty simple, I know how it's done Helen: I assume Penn and teller want to have a look at that, go show them Me: I have no idea how it was done. Great performance
I'm guessing some sort of double layered record. One full/complete one and a gimmick one with some sort of break. When see the threaded gimmick record being lifted out of the box (4:25), the ribbon is running through the full record which is still down inside the box. When the gimmick record is lowered it gets concealed/split into the box doors, OR it drops through the bottom and into the table. If you look at the orientation of the writing on the record label, it rotates from when it is lowered to when the door open. Regardless if I'm right or wrong, close or way off, it's still a great trick!
No that's a frame drop. I looked at that a few times (it's legit). No one is thinking about the "wooden" box. If you look at time (2:24) you can see "wooden" stick out that don't make sense for the rest of the build... Why would those be there? And then you ask "how did she thread the needle?" She put a magnetized metal cap up a wooden thing that magnetize. So with a simple strong magnified element it would would bond... Cause Penn and Teller would try to break it apart from the middle, but not the top. Then you have the needle going through.... Cause wow.... why is there an inch and a half between the two boards that have wooden rods that make no sense to be there on the inside of the box on all sides? It was custom. The trick is not slight of hand but good engineering with really strong magnets.
At the 4:22 mark, the record is really two round parts stuck together. Helen separates and pulls up and out only the brittle fake record (bfr) leaving the real record in the box. She then puts the large needle through the hole in the box and through the real record. Then forcing the brittle fake record (bfr) back into the box the needle splits/breaks the brittle fake record (bfr) and the bfr falls down into the black table out of sight leaving the real record still in the holder with the ribbon and needle still in the center. Cool trick. Invented by her 91 year-old father.
Not sure if that would work as you'd need both parts of the record to move. I think its much simpler given the props and that they examined the record. They would have noticed some residue (the record being sticky, a small part of the "fake" record etc...). Good guess but I don't think you have it.
@@titmusspaultpaul5 It being two records is correct, how the second one slips free of the string could be that it breaks, or has a split through t. At 4:40 she is seemingly adjusting something with her hands, so that might be it. When she positions the record cabinet on the table, she is very careful to position it 'correctly' which leads me to think there might be a hole in the table where the fake record can fall into. Another way might be that when placing the gimmick record back into the box, it doesn't go into the box. It goes into the cavity of the rear doors. Those rear doors are two pieces of plywood with a very small gap. This still allows the ribbon to go back into place. This cavity could have a sharp edge just above the position of the needle so that the gimmick recrord is cut and allowed to be inserted all the way in. When the rear doors are opened, it cracks/splits/breaks the gimmick record into two pieces. The doors open backwards and are obscured by the real record in front anyways. Either way, what is left is a real record, real needle and real ribbon. To be fair, there's so many ways the duplicate could be gimmicked, that it's hard to guess the exact method, but it being a second, gimmicked record is probably right.
You’re saying she pulled out a brittle dummy disc @ 4:24 ? It spans the whole length of the box, with the thread in the middle. How do you suppose she was able to 1) separate it from the real disc, and 2) lift up a dummy disc?
@@addisonchan5994 You can see the discs separate at 2:25 in the video. When she sets it in the wood case, it slightly comes apart and doesn't settle perfectly.
Wonderful !!! A small opinion of mine is that there is someone in the the big black box helping out. It looks too heavy to turn. At one moment she hit the black box lightly, as if to make a sign to the person inside. Anyways, just wonderful Lady !!!
At 2:28, you can see that the center spindle hole of the record(s) is not aligned when she pushes it down. The circular shape of the second spindle is visible.
I love watching Fool Us; and often the best part is watching Teller. Penn will readily admit that Teller is the better magician; so if Teller is confused, that's a fooler.
I agree 100%. Two things I never enjoy about Helen's tricks: - firstly, because of her Dad (who is a legend in prop-making) she knows that P&T will never even TRY to expose the trick. She always gets an easy ride, Anybody else and P&T would have mentioned the black platform that she rested her trick on top of. - secondly, her 'patter' is absolutely awful. No story, no wit - just telling us what she's doing in the blandest, most obvious way: 'I'll put the record in the record cabinet, close the doors.. then I'll thread a needle through the record, but first I have to thread the needle'. That's just AWFUL.
@zantas-handle I feel exactly the same way! She's not good at talking to the audience, and she has no talent in magic. Everything she brings on the show is a gimmicked trick of some type, and they are impressive, but she adds nothing to the routine other than having a father to show her how to operate the gimmicked device. Give me 5 minutes with him and I'll give you a better show than her!
@@zantas-handle ""easy ride" is a ridiculous phrase to use here. If they don't know the method, they don't know, and then making a "guess" doesn't make any sense, in contrast to when card tricks are used. Her (and her father's) prop-making skills are just that good.
I cant help of thinking of the trick with the glass and four holes. You put the glass in a stand, put some panels in the front and back, then thread a ribbon zig zag via the holes and you can pull out the glass with out the ribbons coming along. I guess you have seen it here on YT, there are several videos of this trick. Even if it is not the exact same trick, without knowing the principle of that, I guess this is similar.
@@NathanSmith-om8ym That is a ridiculous comparison. Once anyone knows the method they can perform the trick. There is no skill involved. The prop does most of the work. If Messi shows you how to arch a free kick around a wall can you do it?
I think by this stage Penn and Teller just enjoy the thought that trying to get the trophy through customs at the airport probably means Helen has to pay excess baggage charges.
Agreed. It seems that every fooler always puts in the title that they fooled Pen and Teller. It's like they don't think anyone will watch unless we know ahead of time that they fooled the two. These magicians need to have more faith in their performances.
I might have an idea, but still do not know how I would make it work for Penn and Teller to inspect the props closely. Most notably the record. I would be less interested in the needle and thread. When Penn tried to "open" the needle I laughed.
Well I'm super at a loss. Near as I can tell the needle has to be gimmicked, not the records. But I don't see any opportunity for her to have swapped the gimmicked needle for a different one. She is wearing short sleeves and Brooke is right there the whole time and can see both in front of and behind the rig. So it really seems like the needle she offers P&T is the same one she used for trick Furthermore it's pretty bold to use a record as the item that passes through the needle. Because the surface of a record is very fragile and easily scratched. And yet she offers both of these to P&T to examine closely. And they damn sure know all the things to look for. On top of the her placement of the record in the device as well her pushing the needle through to begin with all seem rather haphazard. The hole the needle goes through lets it sit in there kind of wobbly. The exact opposite of what you would naturally want for a gimmick to have the best chance to work. It's like she really went out of her way with every detail in order to make the trick harder to pull off. Because just merely fooling them wasn't enough I guess. She left them completely baffled.
I have an idea. It's possible to machine two sides of a threaded metal object to come together with no visible seam. What if she had a locking mechanism to split the needle in half then locked it hard together in that last motion when she has the needle and record in her hands? There would be no visible seam and Penn would have to put a huge amount of force to unscrew it.
Look at the way she handles the needle after the trick, she is pressing the needle from both sides, I think that locks it into place permanently. The needed can be taken apart, but using some action can be locked, similar to how an umbrella is locked...only irreversible locking
My theory for how it was done is more in the idea that there are two records (one whole and one split and hidden in the back doors). I still don't really have a clue how the needle threading trick was done although I think I have seen it before.
One of the first immediate things noticed was when she took the record out of the cover and placed it in the cabinet, one side was shiny, one side was dull. There are two records stuck together, one vinyl, and one of a breakable, perhaps "paper-cellulose" or a "sugar" type material. She pulls the ribbon through both of the records, after the needle is out, notice she separates the two records with her thumbnail as she lifts the breakable record out, leaving the vinyl record in the cabinet. Then she places the needle back into the vinyl record still in the cabinet, when the breakable record comes back down, it is broken by the needle, freeing the ribbon from the breakable record. Then, via a mechanism, trap door perhaps, it's disposed of. She really should work on getting the breakable record to have the same shiny finish like the vinyl record. Details make all the difference. Still clever and fun.
Я заметил как она рукой поправила этот шкафчик на тумбе. Видать из за волнения, решила перестраховаться, и проверить рукой. Точно ли шкафчик стоит в нужном месте. Там на тумбе должен быть некий фиксатор или метка, паз. Чтобы четко разбитая пластинка, в узкую щель тумбы падала. И ещё. Она о гоняет от себя девушка подальше. Чтобы девушка не заметила склеинной пластинки. И поэтому она так быстро вынимает 2 склеенных пластинки, чтобы быстро их установить в ящик. И ещё она перестраховываясь заглядывает в ящик. Чтобы убедится в том, что хрупкая вторая пластинка упадет в тумбу. Женщина явно на измене была. И этим себя выдавала.
I think the record she pulled up with the string on was a duplicate and when she pushed it down it went straight down the big black stand leaving the normal one she had just pushed the needle through. That's how I think it worked. It worked to fool the great P & T and that's all that counts. That's my theory
I think you are 100% right! They say, a magician never has anything "extra". Everything is a prop or used to hide something. The table she has it on, is large, black and solid, which is very unusual. Black colors are used in magic all the time to help reduce visibility, which even if you suspect it, by just being black, it's more likely to be missed. Also, you can see that she lined it up in a very specific pre-determined place and i swear it looks like i can see a black line on top of the table. (edit I missed the part that she shows it empty first) So there doesn't appear to be a record in the wooden box at the start because she shows it open. If the real record is in the box below... okay I'm lost. You can see it's still black in the wooden prop when she pulls that prop threaded record up. If you then look at the wooden prop, you can see that the bottom has a tall lip, which is used to hide the slot that goes into the tall black box below it. When she pushes the prop record down, she is turning the record so that it is facing a certain orientation, which is where it is sliced. You can see she pushes down past where the top of the record should be, and you hear a sound, this is her pushing the record through and landing on a platform in the large black box. As far as whether or not all the records looked the same inside, I don't know, but that would make this trick easy. If all the actual real records are unique, then there would have to be another way to do this. Also, you can see how much room there was for the record in there, plenty of room for her to stick her hands down into. You would think the slot would be just big enough for a record and could simply be released to fall down with gravity or for her to just pull the strings and have it pull the record down into the wooden box. This trick had me fooled until I read some comments and examined the video and did some thinking.
Yep. The lifted record (record 2) with a seperate ribbon was lifted up through the table and pushed down back into the table. They had to have known. Great props though.
The first record never moves once it's put in the cabinet. The record she lifts out is a fake record with yellow cords that aren't attached to what Brooke is holding onto. This second record is gimmicked to pass through the needle on the way to dropping into the black box which the cabinet is standing on. Very clever trick.
Correct, (however, it's all one ribbon, even what Brooke is holding). One of the first immediate things noticed was when she took the record out of the cover and placed it in the cabinet, one side was shiny, one side was dull. There are two records, one vinyl, and one of a breakable, perhaps "paper-cellulose" or "sugar", type material. She pulls the ribbon through both of the records, then while the needle is out, notice she separates the two records with her thumbnail as she lifts the breakable record out, leaving the vinyl record in the cabinet. Then she places the needle back into the cabinet and vinyl record still in the cabinet, so when the breakable record comes back down, it is broken by the needle, freeing the ribbon from the breakable record. Then, via a mechanism, it's disposed of into the bottom of the cabinet or box. It's a decent trick. She really should work on getting the breakable record to have a shiny finish like the vinyl. Details!
true , i am surprised they got fooled by this trick
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I think it is very likely that the yellow cord lifted up is attached to the ends Brooke is holding.
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@@davus4242 Any idea of how a mechanism that comes up and grab the "paper" record and pulls it down would be constructed? If pulled down the paper record would be split/teared in two by the needle.
So many people are wrong in the comments. The needle isn’t gimmicked, nor is the record given to P&T. Good string work and misdirection. Had me confused for my first watch too but very cool… wish she could have opened up the big black box at the end and have there be nothing inside it!
The wooden plug thingy has an already threaded fake needle end in it. The real needle goes inside the fake end like a pen into a cap and gets attached with a magnet. She then pulls the needle together with the fake needle top and attached string out of the wooden jig. Once the thread is out of the fake needle top she palms the fake needle top so that part never makes it to P&T.
I’m surprised this one fooled them. 1:36 - Notice how carefully she places the cabinet on the big prop box. That’s the key to the trick. 2:31 - She slightly adjusts the cabinet position 4:34 - When Brooke is told to pull the ribbon, the slack doesn’t disappear. That ribbon was never attached to the record. 4:42 - The noise the record makes when it drops takes much longer than it should. It obviously dropped well below the cabinet, into the prop box. Still a great trick, I’m just surprised they didn’t pick up on some of these clues.
@4:42 for a few frames after a cut the needle appears in line with the edge of the left front hinge, then it moves backwards has Brooke pulls, then it suddenly pops forward and back again as the knocking sound occurs. Still no idea how it works.
@@Mouse_007 I pretty much explained it in my comment. It’s just another record attached to a different ribbon that goes below the cabinet into the big box with the logo on it.
Wouldn't have caught it so easily from most angles but the camera was in the wrong place to show that 2nd album actually sliding into the side wall from the top.
Remember game show rules in regard to magic trick routine and win trophy. 1. Magician Teller Does Not Speak. 2. Magician Penn One Guess allowed. 3. Two Out Of Three Magic Routine Fooled May Do The Trick.
There was a distinct clunk and jolt in the needle when the edge of the record met it. But I have absolutely no clue how it was accomplished since she was able to hand the needle over to P&T without giving away the trick
She's REAL MAGICIAN in the world.. 🌍 Fooling these two legends is almost IMPOSSIBLE...!!!!! BUT she did it 6 Times counting this video. Fake magicians who used lots of camera tricks or lots of assistants eg. Street magicians David Blaine, criss Angel, Dynamo etc. They even don't dare to perform atleast one time infront of these two well-experience magic masters. Sorry to say to all their fans. (Even me i was a BIGGEST FAN of them). 😅😬
Her father is a legend. Must have a documentary about him.
Google it on UA-cam its really interesting, her dad emergrated from the Liverpool to Australia, when I was younger there was a magic shop in Liverpool called the wizards den and he worked in there
He fooled P&T 6 times!
There is! ua-cam.com/video/K0vFUEY1FuM/v-deo.html
There is a documentary about him
@@majykmarker9411 Oh indeed there is! I just I searched it and watching it now haha. Thanks.
I really like how Teller just held up fingers to tell her the results.
It's one of those things... she's either very skilled at swapping out things "in full sight", or her props must be crazy so she can just hand them over to Penn&Teller
Not in full sight. Behind the wooden door. The props she gave P&T are legit and not gimmicked.
A "real" record is switched out from under the table...The gimmicked record splits in half as it is lowered over the rod and dropped into the table.
@@user-rm2bk9bs9d yes, notice how she gently aligned the record cabinet before beginning to align the lower slot for the split record drop.
@@user-rm2bk9bs9d ok so how she pull fake one up, when needle and string stay on real one
Fooler again 😊😊😊
I can't wait for Brooke to meet Jàndro. Hellen Coghlan and Ĵàndro are legends in Fool Us!
I can’t wait for Brooke to be given her walking papers from Fool Us. Bring back Alyson!
@@jasonjackson5696 i want her back too. Alysson is funny. But she is now dancing with the stars. Besides Season 10 is already recorded. And waiting for airing. Alysson leaving fool us will remain a mystery.
Brooke is not the sharpest knife in the drawer 😂
@@jasonjackson5696 I agree, Brooke is awful. I miss Alyson.
@@irisfryer6531 why she didn't change her outfit?
I didn't figure it out but once reading someone else's solve, it's pretty simple. Cool trick. You can see the two records very briefly when she drops it into the box, at 2:25 - the hole in the middle is perfectly aligned, and then when the record is dropped (2:27) you can see the two records are slightly out of line, meaning the hole is more crescent moonish, rather than fully round. Cool trick. Props to her Dad, he's clearly got a knack for making some awesome gimmicks!
that was how I thought she did it
I gotta say: that's not an explanation at all. You just noticed a weird thing. Two records doesn't explain the core of the trick. I noticed a weird thing too at 4:42 where the needle pops out and then back in for one frame and you can hear it click. Maybe a quarter to half an inch.
I think I remember Penn saying something like "lay people think they've figured a trick out when they can only figure out the first 10 percent, but magicians don't claim to have figured out a trick until they can explain even the last 10 percent."
@@htomerif I agree, so maybe she put in two records, and when she lifted the one out, she was still putting the needle through a second still in the case. What still needs explaining is where the "extra" record went.
@@grimmriffer I'll tell you what I know. There are at least two needles, a trick one for the beginning and one to be examined later, probably a third part of one for the "through the record" bit.
The sleight of hand here was a lot more important than the props.
I don't know, and I don't think anyone else here knows whether the P&T podium is a prop. I know it is for some of the cups and balls routines and that's the easiest way to explain where everything you weren't supposed to see went.
If the podium wasn't a prop, then I don't have any idea how *every* part of this trick was done. If the podium was a prop, then I just don't know *which* way it was done.
I'll add that Brooke is in on some of the tricks. Some tricks like versions of the Lady's Looking Glass that have been performed on P&T would be painfully obvious how they're done from her perspective. I think Alyson was a lot better at pretending to be surprised and there's a reason they hire an actor for that spot. A lot of people didn't like Alyson but they didn't understand how difficult her job actually was.
Woman to woman!
Dad comes up with all the tricks...
3:23 top 3:26 Teller was like "okay she is giving me time to safely laugh"
Penn decided, "not worth laughing, I need to stay focused".
Notice at 2:22 How one side of the record is glossy and when she flips it, the other side is matt and the reflection of the light does no longer move on it
yes, looks very fake because the light reflections on the record never move unless she spins the record. Almost looks just like a sheet of paper printed to look like a record, but it is clearly stiff enough to hold its shape.
So simple yet so intriguing, I love these kind of tricks.
What exactly is “simple” about this? It fooled penn and teller 😂
@@jeremyrjackson she puts a real record and a fake record into the box at the same time. She threads the needle and ribbon through both at the same time, then lifts the fake record out of the box. She threads the needle back through the real record before pushing the fake record down, which then collapses in some way and falls into the cabinet. The revealed record at the end is real, as is the needle, which is why she was happy to give them to P&T. Of course, immediately offering them to P&T also served the purpose of distracting them from coming up and inspecting the box/cabinet.
@@jerryhiggins7557 nice theory. Sucks it will NEVER be validated
@@jeremyrjackson you can literally see the fake record in the video above.
@@jerryhiggins7557 tragic
Her dad must be a genius
There's two records. The initial reveal of the record shows that it is rather thick. It's both a regular record and a gimmick record. It might be why she has Brooke stand back a few steps so she doesn't see how thick the record is. The gimmick record has a collapsible groove in it to allow the needle to pass through it. Both records go in the box. The needle and ribbon go through both records. Brooke grabs the ends of the ribbons. Helen pulls the gimmick record up leaving the original record in the box with the ribbon through the hole. The ribbon is now going from Brooke's left hand, through the side of the box then the real record in the box, up to the gimmick record, back down to the hole in the back of the box and to her right hand. She then puts the needle through only the real record. When she reinserts the gimmick record, she spins the record to line up the groove so that the needle collapses the gimmick allowing the needle to pass through it. After it's in, the groove is pointing down and you can see her spin the record in the box on the needle with her finger two times to get the record to spin 180 degrees. The groove in the gimmick record is now lined up vertically with the needle, she lets go of it, the record drops out of sight and we hear it land as she removes her hands from the box. She then pulls out only the real record with the needle and the ribbon through it.
Spot on!
@@pepwaverley2185.. Try to think of two discs... One with a slit.. One without.
1_ Pull the opne with a slit up
2_ Leave the one without the slit in the same position.
3_ insert the neadle through the one still in position.
4_Lower the disc with the slit all the way down til it disapears somwhere under the box
5_Show off the disc with the needle in it (And no slits for the needl to be able to escape)
VERY clever system... Hats off tho her father for coming up with this (Albeit I am NOT a fan of the daughter's arrogant character presentation. It was a "bit" funny at first, but now: she is only annoying).
I agree. You can actually see a double record is used by looking at the hole in the center of the record(s) as she puts them into the case.
needle goes in two parts, box has the system to keep it place while drops record through it, after reveal she rotates it to lock it place, so it doesn't come apart while P&T examines.
Where is the second record? In the doors split into two pieces. You did not answer that part.
My best guess: it's a variation on the the doughnut on the ribbon trick. Two records (instead of doughnuts), one is a real actual record, the other, that get pushed down is made of some destructible material that breaks and falls through a hole in to the base.
The Coghlans used a trick chemical as 'milk' in their previous fool of P&T, which points to them having some expertise in trick materials.
The record she pulled up is fake like a thick paper. The contraption allows the thick record paper to slide down and ribbon slide out of its cut. When the assistant pulls the string, she pulls the string out of the fake record. The main difference is the shininess of the fake and the real record.
The giveaway for me that there are 2 records is that the angle of the A side sticker is different coming out of the box to when it went in.
Oh I get it. She used egg whites to lubricate record number 3 so when she pulled the ribbon records number 1 and 3 dissolved leaving only record number 2 which absorbed all of the egg white residue hence why P and T were fooled. What a genius design. “Props” to her!
The record is threaded with ribbon, then a second gimmocked record that came up from the table or whatever is lifted, with a second ribbon. They stick the needle through the original record and then lower the second fake record into the table. Handing the ungimmicked record for inspection.
Great trick, love the idea that she was really not only there for a record, but also to break a record. I think she even broke 2 records, well, literally just one of the two.
yes, I also think that she inserted 2 records, and pull out only one of them. And when reinserting it, she probably broke it or cut it with a sharp blade in some way. And maybe the two pieces are hidden in the back doors ? Anyway, the other record always remained intact in the box.
She also broke brook in that interview
@@DaveHbsK The 2 pieces could easily drop into the table, 2nd record could have come up from the table as well.
Anyway, much easier when you can rewind and watch again (and look at the label, for example). After seeing it only once, I had no idea...
Look at 4:39 to 4:41 in slow motion. It's clear that the needle gets shorter and then longer. You can even see the color change on the threaded end of the needle. It's hollow, and split into two. When the record first gets inserted, it splits apart into two pieces. Then the hole reaches the needle, and it "jumps" out to be longer again. There's clearly an outside tube to hide the inner workings, and an inner rode to connect the two halves and make them stronger.
She fooled them because they knew the needle was gimmicked, but the machining was so good they couldn't figure out how. It just looks like a solid needle.
There's clearly some trick to set it up. The wooden thing at the beginning is likely key to setting it up.
But Penn and teller examined the needle and pulled on it. It was solid.
Me: pretty simple, I know how it's done
Helen: I assume Penn and teller want to have a look at that, go show them
Me: I have no idea how it was done. Great performance
Well deserved trophy. She is amazing
I'm guessing some sort of double layered record. One full/complete one and a gimmick one with some sort of break. When see the threaded gimmick record being lifted out of the box (4:25), the ribbon is running through the full record which is still down inside the box. When the gimmick record is lowered it gets concealed/split into the box doors, OR it drops through the bottom and into the table. If you look at the orientation of the writing on the record label, it rotates from when it is lowered to when the door open.
Regardless if I'm right or wrong, close or way off, it's still a great trick!
you nailed it, bro.
Brilliant assumption, ❤
Same. But man if there is a slit in the gimmicked record it's really well concealed.
Hidden compartments in the back doors are interresting. And a sharp edge near the top of one door could be what split the extra record.
No that's a frame drop. I looked at that a few times (it's legit). No one is thinking about the "wooden" box. If you look at time (2:24) you can see "wooden" stick out that don't make sense for the rest of the build... Why would those be there?
And then you ask "how did she thread the needle?"
She put a magnetized metal cap up a wooden thing that magnetize. So with a simple strong magnified element it would would bond... Cause Penn and Teller would try to break it apart from the middle, but not the top.
Then you have the needle going through.... Cause wow.... why is there an inch and a half between the two boards that have wooden rods that make no sense to be there on the inside of the box on all sides? It was custom.
The trick is not slight of hand but good engineering with really strong magnets.
That's a mind boggling!
Sometimes you run across that one person who really has magic in them!
At the 4:22 mark, the record is really two round parts stuck together. Helen separates and pulls up and out only the brittle fake record (bfr) leaving the real record in the box. She then puts the large needle through the hole in the box and through the real record. Then forcing the brittle fake record (bfr) back into the box the needle splits/breaks the brittle fake record (bfr) and the bfr falls down into the black table out of sight leaving the real record still in the holder with the ribbon and needle still in the center. Cool trick. Invented by her 91 year-old father.
Not sure if that would work as you'd need both parts of the record to move. I think its much simpler given the props and that they examined the record. They would have noticed some residue (the record being sticky, a small part of the "fake" record etc...). Good guess but I don't think you have it.
@@titmusspaultpaul5 It being two records is correct, how the second one slips free of the string could be that it breaks, or has a split through t. At 4:40 she is seemingly adjusting something with her hands, so that might be it. When she positions the record cabinet on the table, she is very careful to position it 'correctly' which leads me to think there might be a hole in the table where the fake record can fall into. Another way might be that when placing the gimmick record back into the box, it doesn't go into the box. It goes into the cavity of the rear doors. Those rear doors are two pieces of plywood with a very small gap. This still allows the ribbon to go back into place. This cavity could have a sharp edge just above the position of the needle so that the gimmick recrord is cut and allowed to be inserted all the way in. When the rear doors are opened, it cracks/splits/breaks the gimmick record into two pieces. The doors open backwards and are obscured by the real record in front anyways.
Either way, what is left is a real record, real needle and real ribbon.
To be fair, there's so many ways the duplicate could be gimmicked, that it's hard to guess the exact method, but it being a second, gimmicked record is probably right.
You’re saying she pulled out a brittle dummy disc @ 4:24 ? It spans the whole length of the box, with the thread in the middle. How do you suppose she was able to 1) separate it from the real disc, and 2) lift up a dummy disc?
@@addisonchan5994 You can see the discs separate at 2:25 in the video. When she sets it in the wood case, it slightly comes apart and doesn't settle perfectly.
Wonderful !!! A small opinion of mine is that there is someone in the the big black box helping out. It looks too heavy to turn. At one moment she hit the black box lightly, as if to make a sign to the person inside. Anyways, just wonderful Lady !!!
While you are correct about the table (box); there is no one inside it's simply a disposal for a gimmicked record.
she deserves the ovation
At 2:28, you can see that the center spindle hole of the record(s) is not aligned when she pushes it down. The circular shape of the second spindle is visible.
Good catch. Yeah I can see the other record behind it because it's slightly off center to the right.
05:04 stop it there and look at their faces, especially Teller's. Priceless. Well done, trophy truly deserved!
I love watching Fool Us; and often the best part is watching Teller. Penn will readily admit that Teller is the better magician; so if Teller is confused, that's a fooler.
Oh, so it’s Dad that has been fooling Penn and Teller all this time.
Prop routines never fool Penn and Teller...but the ones with Hellen they barely seem to put in a guess...
I agree 100%. Two things I never enjoy about Helen's tricks:
- firstly, because of her Dad (who is a legend in prop-making) she knows that P&T will never even TRY to expose the trick. She always gets an easy ride, Anybody else and P&T would have mentioned the black platform that she rested her trick on top of.
- secondly, her 'patter' is absolutely awful. No story, no wit - just telling us what she's doing in the blandest, most obvious way: 'I'll put the record in the record cabinet, close the doors.. then I'll thread a needle through the record, but first I have to thread the needle'. That's just AWFUL.
it's so obvious that the first "record" is just a printed image on a disc shaped piece of material
I don't think any trick ever fool the two. They give wins to the performances they like.
@zantas-handle I feel exactly the same way! She's not good at talking to the audience, and she has no talent in magic. Everything she brings on the show is a gimmicked trick of some type, and they are impressive, but she adds nothing to the routine other than having a father to show her how to operate the gimmicked device. Give me 5 minutes with him and I'll give you a better show than her!
@@zantas-handle ""easy ride" is a ridiculous phrase to use here. If they don't know the method, they don't know, and then making a "guess" doesn't make any sense, in contrast to when card tricks are used. Her (and her father's) prop-making skills are just that good.
I'd like to know what's in that pedestal under the prop holding the record...
So funny reading all the WRONG answers below. My favorite WRONG ones are the ones saying someone is hiding in the black table. Soo very WRONG.
There's two people hiding in the black table.
As always, amazing. ❤❤❤❤
I cant help of thinking of the trick with the glass and four holes.
You put the glass in a stand, put some panels in the front and back, then thread a ribbon zig zag via the holes and you can pull out the glass with out the ribbons coming along.
I guess you have seen it here on YT, there are several videos of this trick.
Even if it is not the exact same trick, without knowing the principle of that, I guess this is similar.
This trick made me think of a fictional scenario where a real magic user goes on P&TFU and performes a trick using real magic just to mess with P&T.
im convinced!! she is a real life wizard!!
Amazing! Wow wow wow!
thats a good trick tho, we got to give them props some props ^^
When Brooke stands sideways in that outfit she looks just like a hot mermaid 😅
Such a classy move by Penn and Teller.
Uh oh jandro has some competition
Amazing I don't even want to know how
Fantastic go girl
Great post!
All her tricks contain gimmicked props
That record box of hers opens front AND BACK. Gah !
No-one else wondering how she threaded the needle at 3:00? (Or why it was looped round her thumb?)
Congrats, Helen!!!
Her father should get the Fool Us trophies. He builds the tricks she just performs them.
He builds them FOR HER to perform. That's a father's love.
@@NathanSmith-om8ym That is a ridiculous comparison. Once anyone knows the method they can perform the trick. There is no skill involved. The prop does most of the work. If Messi shows you how to arch a free kick around a wall can you do it?
How do know he doesn't (as in Helen gives them to him)?
@@johns950 He is the designer and builder.
I'm aware. Helen + her Dad = excellent entertainment. @@JGH1708
91 years is a lotta time to gain knowledge, skill and wisdom and to pass it down! If only that happened to "some people" in the US.
I think by this stage Penn and Teller just enjoy the thought that trying to get the trophy through customs at the airport probably means Helen has to pay excess baggage charges.
"Where do the batteries go" line was highly underappreciated.
I really hate it when the result is spoilt in the title. I'd watch this in a heartbeat even if you don't fool them. It's just incredibly bad style :(
Agreed. It seems that every fooler always puts in the title that they fooled Pen and Teller. It's like they don't think anyone will watch unless we know ahead of time that they fooled the two. These magicians need to have more faith in their performances.
While I agree, I assume they have to upload to their own channel to pick the title.
I might have an idea, but still do not know how I would make it work for Penn and Teller to inspect the props closely. Most notably the record. I would be less interested in the needle and thread. When Penn tried to "open" the needle I laughed.
It seems similar to the glass of milk trick - so if you have an idea about this one ....
@@edward9643No, I have to watch that one. Thanks for the suggestion.
the father is a genius too
She is funny too.my fav magician
Seems to be a variation of The Silk Serenade.
Well I'm super at a loss. Near as I can tell the needle has to be gimmicked, not the records. But I don't see any opportunity for her to have swapped the gimmicked needle for a different one. She is wearing short sleeves and Brooke is right there the whole time and can see both in front of and behind the rig. So it really seems like the needle she offers P&T is the same one she used for trick
Furthermore it's pretty bold to use a record as the item that passes through the needle. Because the surface of a record is very fragile and easily scratched. And yet she offers both of these to P&T to examine closely. And they damn sure know all the things to look for.
On top of the her placement of the record in the device as well her pushing the needle through to begin with all seem rather haphazard. The hole the needle goes through lets it sit in there kind of wobbly. The exact opposite of what you would naturally want for a gimmick to have the best chance to work.
It's like she really went out of her way with every detail in order to make the trick harder to pull off. Because just merely fooling them wasn't enough I guess. She left them completely baffled.
I have an idea. It's possible to machine two sides of a threaded metal object to come together with no visible seam. What if she had a locking mechanism to split the needle in half then locked it hard together in that last motion when she has the needle and record in her hands? There would be no visible seam and Penn would have to put a huge amount of force to unscrew it.
I wonder what the record selection at the start was about; seemed irrelevant
My guess is she had copies of the records loaded in the table somehow
Look at the way she handles the needle after the trick, she is pressing the needle from both sides, I think that locks it into place permanently. The needed can be taken apart, but using some action can be locked, similar to how an umbrella is locked...only irreversible locking
My theory for how it was done is more in the idea that there are two records (one whole and one split and hidden in the back doors). I still don't really have a clue how the needle threading trick was done although I think I have seen it before.
Methinks it's a customized prop box with a gaff'd record housed inside of it.. the original one only got pulled out at the very end of the act🤷🏽♂️
Guys, its easy to see how she did it. It was....Magic!
Dad 91. Bad ass.
1:40 the ribbon is strategically placed to hide some skullduggery ... like what? I dunno.
I bet you find her father to be an engineering genius! Helen is the front!
She's the best magician in the world, what a fool us legend.
Standing ovation...Enormous, brought tears to my eyes.
Nice presentation. Is she working on a series?
One of the first immediate things noticed was when she took the record out of the cover and placed it in the cabinet, one side was shiny, one side was dull. There are two records stuck together, one vinyl, and one of a breakable, perhaps "paper-cellulose" or a "sugar" type material. She pulls the ribbon through both of the records, after the needle is out, notice she separates the two records with her thumbnail as she lifts the breakable record out, leaving the vinyl record in the cabinet. Then she places the needle back into the vinyl record still in the cabinet, when the breakable record comes back down, it is broken by the needle, freeing the ribbon from the breakable record. Then, via a mechanism, trap door perhaps, it's disposed of. She really should work on getting the breakable record to have the same shiny finish like the vinyl record. Details make all the difference. Still clever and fun.
bravo
Я заметил как она рукой поправила этот шкафчик на тумбе.
Видать из за волнения, решила перестраховаться, и проверить рукой.
Точно ли шкафчик стоит в нужном месте.
Там на тумбе должен быть некий фиксатор или метка, паз.
Чтобы четко разбитая пластинка, в узкую щель тумбы падала.
И ещё.
Она о гоняет от себя девушка подальше.
Чтобы девушка не заметила склеинной пластинки.
И поэтому она так быстро вынимает 2 склеенных пластинки, чтобы быстро их установить в ящик.
И ещё она перестраховываясь заглядывает в ящик.
Чтобы убедится в том, что хрупкая вторая пластинка упадет в тумбу.
Женщина явно на измене была.
И этим себя выдавала.
7:35 Penn and Teller were probably like, "We're too old for this sh*t. Just give it to her." 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣
She's the only magician on Fool Us I can watch over and over scrutinizing every move and still can't figure out how it's done.
You're not looking hard enough, there are 2 visibly superimposed (one real, one gimmick'd) records like 30 seconds into the performance.
I think the record she pulled up with the string on was a duplicate and when she pushed it down it went straight down the big black stand leaving the normal one she had just pushed the needle through. That's how I think it worked. It worked to fool the great P & T and that's all that counts. That's my theory
I think you are 100% right!
They say, a magician never has anything "extra".
Everything is a prop or used to hide something.
The table she has it on, is large, black and solid, which is very unusual.
Black colors are used in magic all the time to help reduce visibility, which even if you suspect it, by just being black, it's more likely to be missed.
Also, you can see that she lined it up in a very specific pre-determined place and i swear it looks like i can see a black line on top of the table.
(edit I missed the part that she shows it empty first) So there doesn't appear to be a record in the wooden box at the start because she shows it open. If the real record is in the box below... okay I'm lost.
You can see it's still black in the wooden prop when she pulls that prop threaded record up.
If you then look at the wooden prop, you can see that the bottom has a tall lip, which is used to hide the slot that goes into the tall black box below it.
When she pushes the prop record down, she is turning the record so that it is facing a certain orientation, which is where it is sliced.
You can see she pushes down past where the top of the record should be, and you hear a sound, this is her pushing the record through and landing on a platform in the large black box.
As far as whether or not all the records looked the same inside, I don't know, but that would make this trick easy.
If all the actual real records are unique, then there would have to be another way to do this.
Also, you can see how much room there was for the record in there, plenty of room for her to stick her hands down into.
You would think the slot would be just big enough for a record and could simply be released to fall down with gravity or for her to just pull the strings and have it pull the record down into the wooden box.
This trick had me fooled until I read some comments and examined the video and did some thinking.
I was about to agree, but.. how did she let the duplicate drop through the needle that was threaded onto the original?
@@sisisisi1111 haha good one but i heard it drop when she did it . Look back and listen
@@FusionDeveloper you definitely go into the fine detail. Sure we are right
Yep. The lifted record (record 2) with a seperate ribbon was lifted up through the table and pushed down back into the table. They had to have known. Great props though.
Next time just send her the trophy through the mail and save her a trip to America.
Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi. Go girl...
Oh, I think a record was definitely "broken" and she has more than ONE.
That's the easy part. The thing she dropped in was just a round picture of a record. The thing she pulled out was a real record.
The back sides of the album sleeves all seem to be the same ... can that be a key to the trick? Not in any way I can think of...
Put the Dad on, let him perform the trick, give him the trophy.
why?
holy smokes
Next up, the Hellen, Penn and Teller show!
The first record never moves once it's put in the cabinet. The record she lifts out is a fake record with yellow cords that aren't attached to what Brooke is holding onto. This second record is gimmicked to pass through the needle on the way to dropping into the black box which the cabinet is standing on. Very clever trick.
Correct, (however, it's all one ribbon, even what Brooke is holding). One of the first immediate things noticed was when she took the record out of the cover and placed it in the cabinet, one side was shiny, one side was dull. There are two records, one vinyl, and one of a breakable, perhaps "paper-cellulose" or "sugar", type material. She pulls the ribbon through both of the records, then while the needle is out, notice she separates the two records with her thumbnail as she lifts the breakable record out, leaving the vinyl record in the cabinet. Then she places the needle back into the cabinet and vinyl record still in the cabinet, so when the breakable record comes back down, it is broken by the needle, freeing the ribbon from the breakable record. Then, via a mechanism, it's disposed of into the bottom of the cabinet or box. It's a decent trick. She really should work on getting the breakable record to have a shiny finish like the vinyl. Details!
How can they claim they are fooled ???
true , i am surprised they got fooled by this trick
I think it is very likely that the yellow cord lifted up is attached to the ends Brooke is holding.
@@davus4242 Any idea of how a mechanism that comes up and grab the "paper" record and pulls it down would be constructed?
If pulled down the paper record would be split/teared in two by the needle.
So many people are wrong in the comments. The needle isn’t gimmicked, nor is the record given to P&T. Good string work and misdirection. Had me confused for my first watch too but very cool… wish she could have opened up the big black box at the end and have there be nothing inside it!
-Everyone's trying to solve how she did the record thing, but I'm just trying to figure out how threaded that needle in the first place.
The wooden plug thingy has an already threaded fake needle end in it. The real needle goes inside the fake end like a pen into a cap and gets attached with a magnet. She then pulls the needle together with the fake needle top and attached string out of the wooden jig.
Once the thread is out of the fake needle top she palms the fake needle top so that part never makes it to P&T.
Just curious, what was that text that was burred? Anything we're allowed to know? Clearly those that watched it when it aired got to see it.
I’m surprised this one fooled them.
1:36 - Notice how carefully she places the cabinet on the big prop box. That’s the key to the trick.
2:31 - She slightly adjusts the cabinet position
4:34 - When Brooke is told to pull the ribbon, the slack doesn’t disappear. That ribbon was never attached to the record.
4:42 - The noise the record makes when it drops takes much longer than it should. It obviously dropped well below the cabinet, into the prop box.
Still a great trick, I’m just surprised they didn’t pick up on some of these clues.
yes, I see those four things.
so how was it done?
@4:42 for a few frames after a cut the needle appears in line with the edge of the left front hinge, then it moves backwards has Brooke pulls, then it suddenly pops forward and back again as the knocking sound occurs. Still no idea how it works.
@@Mouse_007 I pretty much explained it in my comment. It’s just another record attached to a different ribbon that goes below the cabinet into the big box with the logo on it.
But how did she know which record Brooke would choose? @@louislaz
It's adorable that you think you figured out more than Penn and Teller. You noticed some things. You don't know how it was done.
4.43 the needle trick
yes, i heard it
I have no idea.
You see it’s pretty easy, she just did real magic.
Black table hiding the record switch... easy peasy...
Standing O.... That's an honor.
Wouldn't have caught it so easily from most angles but the camera was in the wrong place to show that 2nd album actually sliding into the side wall from the top.
jandro needs to come back
Remember game show rules in regard to magic trick routine and win trophy.
1. Magician Teller Does Not Speak.
2. Magician Penn One Guess allowed.
3. Two Out Of Three Magic Routine Fooled May Do The Trick.
There was a distinct clunk and jolt in the needle when the edge of the record met it. But I have absolutely no clue how it was accomplished since she was able to hand the needle over to P&T without giving away the trick
sixth finger should have been the middle one 😂
I want to see her dad himself perform his own magic .
Surely, the dark dais/lectern/standing unit deserves closer scrutiny.
Oh my god. That would literally be so easy to achieve.
She's REAL MAGICIAN in the world.. 🌍
Fooling these two legends is almost IMPOSSIBLE...!!!!!
BUT she did it 6 Times counting this video.
Fake magicians who used lots of camera tricks or lots of assistants eg. Street magicians David Blaine, criss Angel, Dynamo etc.
They even don't dare to perform atleast one time infront of these two well-experience magic masters.
Sorry to say to all their fans.
(Even me i was a BIGGEST FAN of them). 😅😬
If Penn is rude to you, then you know you've done something right 😂😂
At 2:27 you can see in the hole in the record the other fake record behind it.
when she finished the trick and handed the record and needle over without being asked to i shouted WHAT? WHAT?
If a record can go through a neddle that carmel is in troubbles
but I'm sick of talking to you. lmao.🤣😂
"I'm no stranger to Fool Us"
Well you're very forgetable then. Only one that I have stuck in my head is Shin Lim.
She never lifted the wooden box off the pedestal to show the audience nor Pen & Teller. Hence, the trick begin with a thread went through a needle.