Thank you very much for your effort. I bought a TO 2004 and learn to use it with your videos. Your explanations helped me a lot. I run a little workshop for motorcycles, old ones. I do not need big bandwith. The problems I have to solve mostly are single events of the motorcycle electic that cause a failure and occur sporadicly. For that I need a big deep memory. The enviroment in my workshop is both dirty and rough: oil, dirt and dirty hands, not like a workbench in a lab as you know for sure. For that enviroment the Micsig looks perfect and easy to clean. Have a nice Christmas and a happy new year!
Good morning @lupo631. Thanks for the comment, and for watching. It’s funny that you mention that you use your Micsig to work on motorcycles. I have an 07 Honda Goldwing GL1800, and am supposed to be meeting up, as I type this for my weekly group ride; but unfortunately due to expected rain today, it was cancelled 😞. Thanks again for the comment, and Merry Christmas to you too.
Hi Adam, what a quick answer! On the old motorcycles I replace the interrupter ignition system with an optronic ignition system from Newtronic/UK (formerly Piranha). The early ignition systems were soldered onto the circuit board by hand and there were often problems with that. It took me two months of searching to find a cold solder joint on an old Moto Guzzi Mille GT. First I had to find out what the problem was, until I finally unsoldered and checked all the electronic components. I only had a voltmeter from a multimeter available. That's why I hope to find these and similar problems more quickly with an oscilloscope. Problems with generators and alternator regulators should also be able to be found more quickly, at least I hope so. BTW your videos I found as customer videos on the website of Micsig as a reference! What a big compliment by Micsig to you! Greeting from Bremen/Germany! @@atomsworkshop195
@@lupo631 Thanks for the info on the optronic ignition system from Newtronic. You never know when that may come in handy. Good work on finding the issue. I love that feeling of discovering the issue. It makes it all worth it. Most of the bikes I ride with nowadays are Goldwings, that are usually pretty reliable. With that said, they do have issues with their switches and buttons sticking (and there are a lot of them). In fact last week, my wife and I were about 2 hours away from home, and out in the middle of nowhere (in Texas 🇺🇸). We had to stop at a one lane bridge, to wait for on coming traffic; and my bike just died. Each time I pressed the start button, nothing. Of course I start stressing, quickly calculating the insane tow fee I’m about to get stuck with, since all my tools and diag equipment are at home. For whatever reason, I flipped the run switch on and off a few times, and it fired right up. After I got home I did a little research and found this was a common issue in the run switch in earlier models. Supposedly they sold a repair kit with just the inner parts of the switch. Of course I haven’t been able to find it. Only the entire assembly, which they seem to be really proud of, for what they sell it for, lol. I’ve ridden it a couple times since with no issue. I think I’m just gonna open it up and try and clean everything. Hopefully that’ll do. Oh yeah, and of course there is the 2-3 hour job of switching out the air filter.
Oh yes. I have had a similiar problem with my Moto Guzzi after I bought it from the pre-owner. I found out, that the emergency switch (kill-switch) was broken. The cable soldered at the kill-switch was hot and didn't look good. I repaired it, soldered the cable on the joint and thats it. The mechanical parts of the switch looked good, it was just only the cable what so it seems over the years lost contact because of the vibrations. @@atomsworkshop195
Atom excellent video. I placed my order today and it will ship out Monday. I also ordered a couple of accessories but didn’t see the secondary ignition probe but I can use primary current and voltage. I will keep you updated and I appreciate your assistance today. You and family stay safe and well Artie 👍🇺🇸
Hey that’s great to hear Artie! I know you’ll enjoy using it; I know I do. Yea, someone told me they discontinued the COP ignition probe. The Pico works great with the scope though. If you have any questions once you get it, feel free to ask, and if I can answer them I will. PS, you can call me Adam. My daughter talked me into using the whole “Atom” name, lol. Also, thanks for the kind words. You and your family be safe out there too. Take care buddy.
Boom Atom, I'm a mobile tech also and just brought my COP probe like the one you have, Thanks for the video. really appreciate it. Will try it when i get mine.
That’s cool Daniel. We’re like two peas in a pod, lol. Other techs have no idea how difficult things can be working on the go like we do. We have no lifts, the customers love to hover, and if (when) we f@&k up, it’s all on us. No shop to bail us out. On the other hand, we can make a shit ton of money, lol. Well, I say we “can”, but I too often help people out, probably more than I should. Too big of a heart, I guess.
Thank you Mr. Yoder. I apologize for the video. I know it was pretty lousy. I was completely exhausted. I didn’t finish making the video until almost 2am, and that was after a really long work day with no dinner up to that point. I just wanted to get the video out since it has already been about 3 weeks since Micsig sent me the COP SA204 probe. Thanks again for supporting the channel, and God bless you and your family as well.
@@atomsworkshop195 you're welcome brother. No need to apologize. We understand. It's ok. Video is good. It will help others, and myself with the set up and usage of this nice scope. Rest my friend.
Hey there ThePracticalMechanic, thanks for stopping by. Your name sounds very familiar. I think I might have seen one or more of your videos. I’ll swing by your channel and see if I’m subscribed; if not, I’ll sign up. Tell Billy I said thank you for promoting my channel, I sure do appreciate the support.
I know my channel looks like a Micsig informercial right now, lol. I got a little carried away. Once I get a GoPro I’ll start making diagnostic videos & repair videos.
Hello Ozzi xCar, thanks for stopping by. I do want to make diag and repair videos, but it very time consuming. I only have my phone to record and no one to hold it for me. I made a video of just swapping out some pads in Brembo calipers, that is super easy to do, but took forever to record (and it got very little views). I plan on making those videos when I get a GoPro to wear on my head, just can’t afford it right now. I just had a good candidate for a video. It was an 08 pathfinder with extended crank time and intermittent stahl. I think it would’ve been a good diag video. Not just for the diag, but because I broke one of the 6 or so heater lines that connect to the “spider”. I barely touched it with my elbow while back probing the bank 1 cam sensor. This was while it was running, so of course the 200 degree coolant shot out and filled into my glove and burnt the hell out of my hand. Apparently, those lines break super easy, and I would have loved to share that with everyone. I live and work in south Texas where it’s regularly around 100 degrees, so you usually just want to get the job done and move on. Eventually my friend. It’s definitely on my to do list.
Not a problem Artie. I was pretty sure a made one or two, but couldn’t look at the moment. My wife ran our 4 wheeler into a tree on our property the other night, so I’m out here exploring the damages. Glad you found it. I’m here if you have any more questions.
Oh yes, she’s fine, not hurt at all. I should’ve mentioned that. Thanks for asking. The 4 wheeler on the other hand, is gonna take some work. Thanks for the offer, unfortunately I deleted my FB account a while back. Just got tired of all the bickering. I live down here in Texas. We just bought a little piece of property here in the country. We’re loving it. It does wonders for the soul.
@@atomsworkshop195 yeah Facebook sucks. Just keep to to stay in touch with my automotive techs and training like ATS, ATG, and a couple of techs teaching electronics otherwise it’s a waste 👍🇺🇸
good looking trace on the micsig probe. would be interesting to see the comparison with the pico, btw, what is your first name so as i can address you in future comments, cheers dave
Hey Dave, my name’s Adam. Yea, I even had the Pico out to do just that, but when I went to relocate my grounds, for some reason I never used it again. It was almost 2AM after a really long day with no dinner up to that point. I was pretty exhausted, as I’m sure you could tell by the video. I’ll probably do that video over again in the near future, and I’ll make sure to show more with the Pico also. Anyway, Dave, thanks for the support for the channel, it goes a long way.
@@atomsworkshop195 no problem adam, you're doing a great job there showing those waveforms. It is a process videoing on utube setting up with tripods, microphones, editing etc. Not as easy as some think. I've been meaning to do a review on the micsig scope as i haven't spoke about it for a while. But that is a nice looking probe. Cheers dave
Thanks for that. Ain’t that the truth Dave. I think most people don’t have a clue of everything it takes to put a video together. I originally wanted to make videos diagnosing my customer’s vehicles, but it’s so time consuming just setting up and moving the camera (my phone) around. Once I get a GoPro to wear on my head, I plan on making diag videos. I’ve been trying to keep up with your channel, so I’ll keep an eye out for your review. Keep up the good work I’m sure a lot of people learn from your videos. I know I do.
Hello Justin, and thanks for the comment. If you look at the right side of the screen, you will see a small arrow pointing to the left. This is the trigger. The color of the arrow corresponds with the channel. I hope this answers your question (I’m pretty tired at the moment). Thanks for stopping by the channel.
You’re welcome Mark. How are you liking it so far? I know when I first got mine, I was connecting it to everything, lol. If you have any questions, feel free to ask, and I’ll try to answer them for you. You can always check the comments under my videos too. I’ve answered a lot of questions for others, like what leads, amp clamps, etc that I use. Good luck, and have fun with it buddy.
@@atomsworkshop195 ADAM I really like it. Just wondering if you set trigger to normal ch 1 ie ckp sensor and the cps signal goes away does it stop capturing ? As most triggers work.
Just saw this question. Not sure exactly what your asking. Do you mean, does the waveform disappear from the screen once you lose signal? If so, i think it depends on your timescale. I usually set it to a rolling time base (I think that is engaged when you set to more than 200 ms (I would have to check for the exact number) (don’t have it in front of me at the moment. When you set it like this, it holds a lot more (more time) on the screen). I’ll be honest, I have not mastered the different triggers. Let me know if this made sense to you. If not, when I have my scope in front of me, I’ll be able to be more precise.
Your low pass filtering might have taken out the coil oscillation. Also, try DC coupling the COP channel. AC coupling drives constant input voltage towards zero, over time. This makes the dwell period slope towards zero after it starts. It also makes the burn line slope down as the burn progresses.
Tony, thank you for the advice. I definitely prefer that someone give me some advice on how to improve my waveform, rather than just giving me a thumbs down with no explanation. I’m already looking forward to putting your advice to the test. Also, thanks again for supporting the channel my friend. I know I haven’t had any new videos for a while. I had to go out of state for over a month to address some family issues, than after I got home, I’ve had to stay off my feet due to an injury. With that said, I am about to make a couple/few videos right now, inside. They are going to be about a couple other products from Kaiweets, but I’ll be using the Micsig in the videos. Thanks again Tony.
@@atomsworkshop195 there's gonna be thumbs down regardless of what you do, it's just some people's nature to be that way. Just ignore them. I still haven't ordered a new scope yet. I really like the Micsig stuff. I just wish they'd put the automotive stuff into the scope with knobs. It takes a while to get really comfortable with a scope, especially these that have so many features.
I hear you. I just think if you’re gonna thumbs down, you mention why; but you’re right, not everyone sees it that way. I absolutely understand about the scope. I told Micsig that if they put the automotive features into the STO, and reinforced the outside like the ATO, that they would have an awesome scope for automotive use, that people (I) would really like. Unfortunately, they said, for now, the ATO is their automotive scope, and don’t have any plans to change it at this time. Maybe if more people would email them mentioning this, they would reconsider. Anyway, thanks again Tony.
Hello my friend , watching the video I just figured you had some issues with the camera , i got a recommendation , there is like motion tracking object camera (Feiyu Pocket Handheld Video Camera 3) i think it can help you a little it tracks the motion and you can set it in objects too so I hope it can help you a little. Thanks for the videos
I’m gonna try and record that video tomorrow on the Cam/Crank correlation. I’ve been getting home after dark the last few days, and have been pretty tired. I plan on a short day tomorrow, so hopefully I can get it knocked out.
Hello karu chvz. Just wanted to tell you that I made a video on the Cam/Crank sensors this evening after I got home from work. Unfortunately I fell asleep while I was editing it, and just woke back up. I’m gonna have to finish up and post it tomorrow, I’m pretty exhausted. Sorry about the delay my friend.
Hey Adam. First off all thanks for your videos . I've recieved my micsig to1000 series yesterday. Have two questions for now, if you don't mind? 1. I can go with the primary probe from the coil right to the scope, right? 2. Do I need an attenuator for the hantek ht25 auto ignition probe? Thanks in advance Ed
Hey Ed, congratulations on your new scope. That’s great. Question 1: the scope is rated up to 300 volts, so essentially, you should be ok. With that said, to be on the safe side (incase of voltage spikes or what not), you might want to use an attenuator. I bought some of the Hantek 20:1 attenuators and they seem to work fine. Also, you can use the 10:1 probes that came with the scope. Just don’t forget to choose the correct attenuation setting under the channel menu. For the record, I have connected straight to the primary side with 1:1 leads. However, that was done by accident. I usually use the 10:1 probes or 20:1 attenuators, just to be safe. Question 2: If the Hantek COP (ignition) probe is like the Micsig, No, you do not need an attenuator. The Micsig COP (ignition) probe has an internal 5,000:1 attenuator. So you just have to choose 5,000:1 under your channel menu. I would think the Hantek is probably 5,000:1 also, but I would look in the owners manual to know for sure what the internal attenuation is. I hope this helps. Again, that’s great, you got your scope. How are you liking it so far? Feel free to ask any other questions. I will try to answer them, as soon as I see them.
I might be getting the 5,000:1 confused with the Pico COP (ignition) probe. Honestly, I can’t remember at the moment. I think they might both be 5,000:1. I’m pretty tired and about to head on to bed, so I’m not positive at the moment. Regardless, you have to find out what the Hantek one is, so you can choose the right option in the channel menu.
Ed, check the paperwork that came with your hantek COP ignition probe to see if it is attenuated internally, and if so, how much. I was trying to find it myself online for you; and I ended up on Scanner Danners website, with people talking back and forth about it, and someone said to make sure you use an attenuator with it. That doesn’t make sense to me, because you would think it would be designed with a built in attenuator. Regardless, it should be in the instructions/owners manual. Make sure you find out. The last thing you wanna do is smoke your new scope. Good luck my friend.
@@atomsworkshop195 How do I like it? Don't know yet.. just unpacked it.. haha.. was able to get a wave form on the battery while engine was running. Thanks for your response 🤘
@@atomsworkshop195 That's the probe. www.amazon.ca/dp/B07CYS9F3L/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_3Y-9Fb5QFWZS8 Will check the paperwork tomorrow. Can't recall seeing one...
No problem. Wasn’t sure because from my view on UA-cam studios, your comment was right above Dave Sterls comment. Honestly Ed, every other car I tried getting a secondary waveform with, gave me odd looking waveforms. I was trying with the Pico paddle probe & the Micsig paddle probe. I tried different cars for about 3 weeks before I came across the good one, and it was off a Honda Accord 6cyl (03 I believe. I’d have to check my Autel to know for sure what year). This was my set up: paddle probe (cop secondary ignition probe) set to Voltage-Secondary Ignition-set at 5kx for my attenuator setting, Low Pass Filter at 30.000khz-Dc signal-and Normal Sample rate. For my voltage, I was switching between about 5V and 25V. Time base was between 1ms and 10ms. Also, even with those settings, it wasn’t looking so good until I changed my ground location a couple times. Unfortunately the Micsig’s SA204 COP probes ground cable is really short, so you probably won’t be able to reach the battery ground; instead I had to find a chassis or block ground. Now that I’m thinking about it, I guess (if I’m not being lazy) I could use my Power Probe 4 to supply a ground straight from the battery. Maybe try those settings, and hopefully that will help. Also, I’ve noticed if you use the automotive presets, and click Ignition, then click Secondary, then one of the three options; it sets the scope at 1ms (time base), but it sets the voltage to either 5kv or 50mv depending on which of the other three options (voltage kv, coil output test, or voltage mv) you choose. Sometimes I don’t even use the presets. If I do, and I don’t like the waveform, I’ll just start adjusting the measurements until I get something decent. I hope this helps you Ed, and I hope I’m not boring you with these long responses. I just think that’s what this whole UA-cam thing is about, helping each other. Oh yea, what COP probe are you using? Micsig, Pico, Wyze probe?
Hey Adam, love your video man. I have to catch up to you still haven't post my first video lol, shop has been super busy, just need to edit and post. I see you finally got your invert 🥳. Enjoing your videos man i'll join you soon. Btw i think i'll be getting the auto software.
Hey Leo, it’s been a little while. Yea, I’ve been looking out for your videos. The more the merrier. I learn something new regularly because of peoples videos. If I ever get a GoPro, I want to start making videos diagnosing my customers cars. Originally I was just gonna make a few Micsig videos, then start diag videos. Of course I’d still use the scope plenty in those videos. Unfortunately, I’ve learned that it’s a real pain in the ass and time consuming setting up and moving the camera constantly. I figure if I had a GoPro on my head, I can just record everything I’m looking at. Yea, finally got my invert option. I don’t know why it wasn’t there, but I have to say, they impressed me. I asked Jelin in one email if he could add it, that it is very important for automotive use; and he told me he’d tell them, and have it in the next firmware update. Sure enough, it was there. I can’t see me emailing Pico or Milwaukee or any other company, and them actually listen to me like that. They got 2 thumbs up from me. Yea, I just found out you can update the TO to the ATO. Someone (his name is slipping my mind at the moment) left a comment that he was able to do that. Before I bought mine, I looked everywhere for that option. I was gonna buy the TO, then later update it to the ATO. Apparently, all he did was email Micsig asking about it, and they sold him a license number for $200 to type in in the settings, and just like that, it’s an ATO. The presets definitely help with saving time. Anyway, get some videos out, and let me know when you do, just Incase I don’t see them. Take it easy Leo.
Hey Dave very nice wave forms if I can get mine to look half as good as yours I'd be happy even with the presets mine don't look as good let's see some videos of some real work
Good morning Ed. I’m not sure if your comment is for me (Atom/Adam) or Dave. It says Dave, but I think your referring to my video. Hmm, well I’ll take the credit for the video & nice waveforms, and say thank you. I had to go through I don’t know how many cars before I finally got a nice looking secondary; and Dave can go make the videos of “some real work”, lol.
I forgot to mention. You’re right I do need to make some videos of actually working. Actually, when I first started my channel, my plan was to make a few videos showing the Micsig scope (because I couldn’t really find too many when I was shopping for one, so I thought I’d make some for anyone else interested in it, or just bought one), then I planned to make videos diagnosing and repairing my customers cars. At first, I made a few doing just that, but unfortunately I accidentally deleted them (long story) during the editing process. I was really frustrated at that point, to say the least. A lot of time went into making those; all while my customers are in a hurry waiting on me. I have a small mobile automotive diagnostic & repair service (they are almost all in a hurry). Also, some people like to linger around while I’m working, and some aren’t thrilled about it taking longer so I can make a video. Anyway, I’m telling you all this to get to this point. As soon as I buy a GoPro (possibly best choice for this) that I can attach to my head, I plan on getting back to making those videos. I figure I’d be able to do it much quicker if I’m not having to constantly set up & relocate the camera. God bless & and have a nice day Ed.
Hello ReBus, how are you? When I say “back probe” it means, simply probing the backside of a wiring harness, by sliding an acupuncture type probe (or similar ) along side of a wire, into the harness, until you make contact with the circuit. I thought it was a common saying. Maybe just in the automotive field. That’s where I picked it up anyway. Thanks for the question and stopping by the channel, my friend.
Thank you very much for your effort. I bought a TO 2004 and learn to use it with your videos. Your explanations helped me a lot. I run a little workshop for motorcycles, old ones. I do not need big bandwith. The problems I have to solve mostly are single events of the motorcycle electic that cause a failure and occur sporadicly. For that I need a big deep memory. The enviroment in my workshop is both dirty and rough: oil, dirt and dirty hands, not like a workbench in a lab as you know for sure. For that enviroment the Micsig looks perfect and easy to clean. Have a nice Christmas and a happy new year!
Good morning @lupo631. Thanks for the comment, and for watching. It’s funny that you mention that you use your Micsig to work on motorcycles. I have an 07 Honda Goldwing GL1800, and am supposed to be meeting up, as I type this for my weekly group ride; but unfortunately due to expected rain today, it was cancelled 😞. Thanks again for the comment, and Merry Christmas to you too.
Hi Adam, what a quick answer! On the old motorcycles I replace the interrupter ignition system with an optronic ignition system from Newtronic/UK (formerly Piranha). The early ignition systems were soldered onto the circuit board by hand and there were often problems with that. It took me two months of searching to find a cold solder joint on an old Moto Guzzi Mille GT. First I had to find out what the problem was, until I finally unsoldered and checked all the electronic components. I only had a voltmeter from a multimeter available. That's why I hope to find these and similar problems more quickly with an oscilloscope. Problems with generators and alternator regulators should also be able to be found more quickly, at least I hope so. BTW your videos I found as customer videos on the website of Micsig as a reference! What a big compliment by Micsig to you! Greeting from Bremen/Germany! @@atomsworkshop195
@@lupo631 Thanks for the info on the optronic ignition system from Newtronic. You never know when that may come in handy. Good work on finding the issue. I love that feeling of discovering the issue. It makes it all worth it. Most of the bikes I ride with nowadays are Goldwings, that are usually pretty reliable. With that said, they do have issues with their switches and buttons sticking (and there are a lot of them). In fact last week, my wife and I were about 2 hours away from home, and out in the middle of nowhere (in Texas 🇺🇸). We had to stop at a one lane bridge, to wait for on coming traffic; and my bike just died. Each time I pressed the start button, nothing. Of course I start stressing, quickly calculating the insane tow fee I’m about to get stuck with, since all my tools and diag equipment are at home. For whatever reason, I flipped the run switch on and off a few times, and it fired right up. After I got home I did a little research and found this was a common issue in the run switch in earlier models. Supposedly they sold a repair kit with just the inner parts of the switch. Of course I haven’t been able to find it. Only the entire assembly, which they seem to be really proud of, for what they sell it for, lol. I’ve ridden it a couple times since with no issue. I think I’m just gonna open it up and try and clean everything. Hopefully that’ll do. Oh yeah, and of course there is the 2-3 hour job of switching out the air filter.
Oh yes. I have had a similiar problem with my Moto Guzzi after I bought it from the pre-owner. I found out, that the emergency switch (kill-switch) was broken. The cable soldered at the kill-switch was hot and didn't look good. I repaired it, soldered the cable on the joint and thats it. The mechanical parts of the switch looked good, it was just only the cable what so it seems over the years lost contact because of the vibrations. @@atomsworkshop195
Atom excellent video. I placed my order today and it will ship out Monday. I also ordered a couple of accessories but didn’t see the secondary ignition probe but I can use primary current and voltage. I will keep you updated and I appreciate your assistance today. You and family stay safe and well Artie 👍🇺🇸
Hey that’s great to hear Artie! I know you’ll enjoy using it; I know I do. Yea, someone told me they discontinued the COP ignition probe. The Pico works great with the scope though. If you have any questions once you get it, feel free to ask, and if I can answer them I will. PS, you can call me Adam. My daughter talked me into using the whole “Atom” name, lol. Also, thanks for the kind words. You and your family be safe out there too. Take care buddy.
Boom Atom, I'm a mobile tech also and just brought my COP probe like the one you have, Thanks for the video. really appreciate it. Will try it when i get mine.
That’s cool Daniel. We’re like two peas in a pod, lol. Other techs have no idea how difficult things can be working on the go like we do. We have no lifts, the customers love to hover, and if (when) we f@&k up, it’s all on us. No shop to bail us out. On the other hand, we can make a shit ton of money, lol. Well, I say we “can”, but I too often help people out, probably more than I should. Too big of a heart, I guess.
@@atomsworkshop195 keep up the good work. Just got my hands on the COP probe. Thanks for showing the set up
Absolutely Daniel, and thank you for watching. PS, just sent you an email
Thank you again Adam. Good job. Have a blessed and safe week to you and your family.
Thank you Mr. Yoder. I apologize for the video. I know it was pretty lousy. I was completely exhausted. I didn’t finish making the video until almost 2am, and that was after a really long work day with no dinner up to that point. I just wanted to get the video out since it has already been about 3 weeks since Micsig sent me the COP SA204 probe. Thanks again for supporting the channel, and God bless you and your family as well.
@@atomsworkshop195 you're welcome brother. No need to apologize. We understand. It's ok. Video is good. It will help others, and myself with the set up and usage of this nice scope. Rest my friend.
Thanks again my friend.
Hey Adam, I was sent here by Billy Yoder. Keep up the great work.
Hey there ThePracticalMechanic, thanks for stopping by. Your name sounds very familiar. I think I might have seen one or more of your videos. I’ll swing by your channel and see if I’m subscribed; if not, I’ll sign up. Tell Billy I said thank you for promoting my channel, I sure do appreciate the support.
I know my channel looks like a Micsig informercial right now, lol. I got a little carried away. Once I get a GoPro I’ll start making diagnostic videos & repair videos.
@@atomsworkshop195 Hurry up man! We want to see good qiality video of Diagnosing and repairing Bro!!!
Hello Ozzi xCar, thanks for stopping by. I do want to make diag and repair videos, but it very time consuming. I only have my phone to record and no one to hold it for me. I made a video of just swapping out some pads in Brembo calipers, that is super easy to do, but took forever to record (and it got very little views). I plan on making those videos when I get a GoPro to wear on my head, just can’t afford it right now. I just had a good candidate for a video. It was an 08 pathfinder with extended crank time and intermittent stahl. I think it would’ve been a good diag video. Not just for the diag, but because I broke one of the 6 or so heater lines that connect to the “spider”. I barely touched it with my elbow while back probing the bank 1 cam sensor. This was while it was running, so of course the 200 degree coolant shot out and filled into my glove and burnt the hell out of my hand. Apparently, those lines break super easy, and I would have loved to share that with everyone. I live and work in south Texas where it’s regularly around 100 degrees, so you usually just want to get the job done and move on. Eventually my friend. It’s definitely on my to do list.
Atom I just asked you about ignition waveforms and current ramping and I should of looked at your channel listings first. Thank You 😊
Not a problem Artie. I was pretty sure a made one or two, but couldn’t look at the moment. My wife ran our 4 wheeler into a tree on our property the other night, so I’m out here exploring the damages. Glad you found it. I’m here if you have any more questions.
@@atomsworkshop195 god is she okay. I’m located here on long. Island NY. You can friend me on Facebook. Thanks buddy 👍
Oh yes, she’s fine, not hurt at all. I should’ve mentioned that. Thanks for asking. The 4 wheeler on the other hand, is gonna take some work. Thanks for the offer, unfortunately I deleted my FB account a while back. Just got tired of all the bickering. I live down here in Texas. We just bought a little piece of property here in the country. We’re loving it. It does wonders for the soul.
My younger brother lives up by you in Massachusetts. I personally haven’t been up that way since I was a kid. Definitely miss the snow.
@@atomsworkshop195 yeah Facebook sucks. Just keep to to stay in touch with my automotive techs and training like ATS, ATG, and a couple of techs teaching electronics otherwise it’s a waste 👍🇺🇸
good looking trace on the micsig probe. would be interesting to see the comparison with the pico, btw, what is your first name so as i can address you in future comments, cheers dave
Hey Dave, my name’s Adam. Yea, I even had the Pico out to do just that, but when I went to relocate my grounds, for some reason I never used it again. It was almost 2AM after a really long day with no dinner up to that point. I was pretty exhausted, as I’m sure you could tell by the video. I’ll probably do that video over again in the near future, and I’ll make sure to show more with the Pico also. Anyway, Dave, thanks for the support for the channel, it goes a long way.
@@atomsworkshop195 no problem adam, you're doing a great job there showing those waveforms. It is a process videoing on utube setting up with tripods, microphones, editing etc. Not as easy as some think. I've been meaning to do a review on the micsig scope as i haven't spoke about it for a while. But that is a nice looking probe. Cheers dave
Thanks for that. Ain’t that the truth Dave. I think most people don’t have a clue of everything it takes to put a video together. I originally wanted to make videos diagnosing my customer’s vehicles, but it’s so time consuming just setting up and moving the camera (my phone) around. Once I get a GoPro to wear on my head, I plan on making diag videos. I’ve been trying to keep up with your channel, so I’ll keep an eye out for your review. Keep up the good work I’m sure a lot of people learn from your videos. I know I do.
Hello, very informative video! What are your trigger settings to keep the live waveform centered and stationary? Thank you!
Hello Justin, and thanks for the comment. If you look at the right side of the screen, you will see a small arrow pointing to the left. This is the trigger. The color of the arrow corresponds with the channel. I hope this answers your question (I’m pretty tired at the moment). Thanks for stopping by the channel.
Nice job! Can't wait for the next one!
Thank you Chen. I have one on my phone I need to edit and review, and if it's ok, I'll post it. It's on the Accelerator Position Sensor.
Thanks atom just got my scope yesterday
You’re welcome Mark. How are you liking it so far? I know when I first got mine, I was connecting it to everything, lol. If you have any questions, feel free to ask, and I’ll try to answer them for you. You can always check the comments under my videos too. I’ve answered a lot of questions for others, like what leads, amp clamps, etc that I use. Good luck, and have fun with it buddy.
@@atomsworkshop195 ADAM I really like it. Just wondering if you set trigger to normal ch 1 ie ckp sensor and the cps signal goes away does it stop capturing ? As most triggers work.
Just saw this question. Not sure exactly what your asking. Do you mean, does the waveform disappear from the screen once you lose signal? If so, i think it depends on your timescale. I usually set it to a rolling time base (I think that is engaged when you set to more than 200 ms (I would have to check for the exact number) (don’t have it in front of me at the moment. When you set it like this, it holds a lot more (more time) on the screen). I’ll be honest, I have not mastered the different triggers. Let me know if this made sense to you. If not, when I have my scope in front of me, I’ll be able to be more precise.
Your low pass filtering might have taken out the coil oscillation. Also, try DC coupling the COP channel. AC coupling drives constant input voltage towards zero, over time. This makes the dwell period slope towards zero after it starts. It also makes the burn line slope down as the burn progresses.
Tony, thank you for the advice. I definitely prefer that someone give me some advice on how to improve my waveform, rather than just giving me a thumbs down with no explanation. I’m already looking forward to putting your advice to the test. Also, thanks again for supporting the channel my friend. I know I haven’t had any new videos for a while. I had to go out of state for over a month to address some family issues, than after I got home, I’ve had to stay off my feet due to an injury. With that said, I am about to make a couple/few videos right now, inside. They are going to be about a couple other products from Kaiweets, but I’ll be using the Micsig in the videos. Thanks again Tony.
@@atomsworkshop195 there's gonna be thumbs down regardless of what you do, it's just some people's nature to be that way. Just ignore them. I still haven't ordered a new scope yet. I really like the Micsig stuff. I just wish they'd put the automotive stuff into the scope with knobs. It takes a while to get really comfortable with a scope, especially these that have so many features.
I hear you. I just think if you’re gonna thumbs down, you mention why; but you’re right, not everyone sees it that way. I absolutely understand about the scope. I told Micsig that if they put the automotive features into the STO, and reinforced the outside like the ATO, that they would have an awesome scope for automotive use, that people (I) would really like. Unfortunately, they said, for now, the ATO is their automotive scope, and don’t have any plans to change it at this time. Maybe if more people would email them mentioning this, they would reconsider. Anyway, thanks again Tony.
Hello my friend , watching the video I just figured you had some issues with the camera , i got a recommendation , there is like motion tracking object camera (Feiyu Pocket Handheld Video Camera 3) i think it can help you a little it tracks the motion and you can set it in objects too so I hope it can help you a little. Thanks for the videos
Karu Chvz, thanks for the advice. I’ll look into that camera for sure. Lord knows I can use all the help I can get. Thanks my friend.
I’m gonna try and record that video tomorrow on the Cam/Crank correlation. I’ve been getting home after dark the last few days, and have been pretty tired. I plan on a short day tomorrow, so hopefully I can get it knocked out.
@@atomsworkshop195 thanks my friend for you effort.
Hello karu chvz. Just wanted to tell you that I made a video on the Cam/Crank sensors this evening after I got home from work. Unfortunately I fell asleep while I was editing it, and just woke back up. I’m gonna have to finish up and post it tomorrow, I’m pretty exhausted. Sorry about the delay my friend.
@@atomsworkshop195 hello my friend , i know you are doing effort to post it so I'll be patient and wait . Thanks for you reply.
Hey Adam. First off all thanks for your videos .
I've recieved my micsig to1000 series yesterday. Have two questions for now, if you don't mind?
1. I can go with the primary probe from the coil right to the scope, right?
2. Do I need an attenuator for the hantek ht25 auto ignition probe?
Thanks in advance
Ed
Hey Ed, congratulations on your new scope. That’s great. Question 1: the scope is rated up to 300 volts, so essentially, you should be ok. With that said, to be on the safe side (incase of voltage spikes or what not), you might want to use an attenuator. I bought some of the Hantek 20:1 attenuators and they seem to work fine. Also, you can use the 10:1 probes that came with the scope. Just don’t forget to choose the correct attenuation setting under the channel menu. For the record, I have connected straight to the primary side with 1:1 leads. However, that was done by accident. I usually use the 10:1 probes or 20:1 attenuators, just to be safe. Question 2: If the Hantek COP (ignition) probe is like the Micsig, No, you do not need an attenuator. The Micsig COP (ignition) probe has an internal 5,000:1 attenuator. So you just have to choose 5,000:1 under your channel menu. I would think the Hantek is probably 5,000:1 also, but I would look in the owners manual to know for sure what the internal attenuation is. I hope this helps. Again, that’s great, you got your scope. How are you liking it so far? Feel free to ask any other questions. I will try to answer them, as soon as I see them.
I might be getting the 5,000:1 confused with the Pico COP (ignition) probe. Honestly, I can’t remember at the moment. I think they might both be 5,000:1. I’m pretty tired and about to head on to bed, so I’m not positive at the moment. Regardless, you have to find out what the Hantek one is, so you can choose the right option in the channel menu.
Ed, check the paperwork that came with your hantek COP ignition probe to see if it is attenuated internally, and if so, how much. I was trying to find it myself online for you; and I ended up on Scanner Danners website, with people talking back and forth about it, and someone said to make sure you use an attenuator with it. That doesn’t make sense to me, because you would think it would be designed with a built in attenuator. Regardless, it should be in the instructions/owners manual. Make sure you find out. The last thing you wanna do is smoke your new scope. Good luck my friend.
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How do I like it? Don't know yet.. just unpacked it.. haha.. was able to get a wave form on the battery while engine was running.
Thanks for your response 🤘
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That's the probe.
www.amazon.ca/dp/B07CYS9F3L/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_3Y-9Fb5QFWZS8
Will check the paperwork tomorrow. Can't recall seeing one...
Great video as usually do you have any chance test intake pulse sensor ?
Hello wzthonda, no I don’t have a pulse sensor yet. Something I plan on getting as soon as I can. Thanks for the comment.
Sorry about that. I meant you Adam well I'll just keep trying till I get a good one
No problem. Wasn’t sure because from my view on UA-cam studios, your comment was right above Dave Sterls comment. Honestly Ed, every other car I tried getting a secondary waveform with, gave me odd looking waveforms. I was trying with the Pico paddle probe & the Micsig paddle probe. I tried different cars for about 3 weeks before I came across the good one, and it was off a Honda Accord 6cyl (03 I believe. I’d have to check my Autel to know for sure what year). This was my set up: paddle probe (cop secondary ignition probe) set to Voltage-Secondary Ignition-set at 5kx for my attenuator setting, Low Pass Filter at 30.000khz-Dc signal-and Normal Sample rate. For my voltage, I was switching between about 5V and 25V. Time base was between 1ms and 10ms. Also, even with those settings, it wasn’t looking so good until I changed my ground location a couple times. Unfortunately the Micsig’s SA204 COP probes ground cable is really short, so you probably won’t be able to reach the battery ground; instead I had to find a chassis or block ground. Now that I’m thinking about it, I guess (if I’m not being lazy) I could use my Power Probe 4 to supply a ground straight from the battery. Maybe try those settings, and hopefully that will help. Also, I’ve noticed if you use the automotive presets, and click Ignition, then click Secondary, then one of the three options; it sets the scope at 1ms (time base), but it sets the voltage to either 5kv or 50mv depending on which of the other three options (voltage kv, coil output test, or voltage mv) you choose. Sometimes I don’t even use the presets. If I do, and I don’t like the waveform, I’ll just start adjusting the measurements until I get something decent. I hope this helps you Ed, and I hope I’m not boring you with these long responses. I just think that’s what this whole UA-cam thing is about, helping each other. Oh yea, what COP probe are you using? Micsig, Pico, Wyze probe?
look good
Hey Adam, love your video man. I have to catch up to you still haven't post my first video lol, shop has been super busy, just need to edit and post.
I see you finally got your invert 🥳.
Enjoing your videos man i'll join you soon. Btw i think i'll be getting the auto software.
Hey Leo, it’s been a little while. Yea, I’ve been looking out for your videos. The more the merrier. I learn something new regularly because of peoples videos. If I ever get a GoPro, I want to start making videos diagnosing my customers cars. Originally I was just gonna make a few Micsig videos, then start diag videos. Of course I’d still use the scope plenty in those videos. Unfortunately, I’ve learned that it’s a real pain in the ass and time consuming setting up and moving the camera constantly. I figure if I had a GoPro on my head, I can just record everything I’m looking at. Yea, finally got my invert option. I don’t know why it wasn’t there, but I have to say, they impressed me. I asked Jelin in one email if he could add it, that it is very important for automotive use; and he told me he’d tell them, and have it in the next firmware update. Sure enough, it was there. I can’t see me emailing Pico or Milwaukee or any other company, and them actually listen to me like that. They got 2 thumbs up from me. Yea, I just found out you can update the TO to the ATO. Someone (his name is slipping my mind at the moment) left a comment that he was able to do that. Before I bought mine, I looked everywhere for that option. I was gonna buy the TO, then later update it to the ATO. Apparently, all he did was email Micsig asking about it, and they sold him a license number for $200 to type in in the settings, and just like that, it’s an ATO. The presets definitely help with saving time. Anyway, get some videos out, and let me know when you do, just Incase I don’t see them. Take it easy Leo.
Hey Dave very nice wave forms if I can get mine to look half as good as yours I'd be happy even with the presets mine don't look as good let's see some videos of some real work
Good morning Ed. I’m not sure if your comment is for me (Atom/Adam) or Dave. It says Dave, but I think your referring to my video. Hmm, well I’ll take the credit for the video & nice waveforms, and say thank you. I had to go through I don’t know how many cars before I finally got a nice looking secondary; and Dave can go make the videos of “some real work”, lol.
I forgot to mention. You’re right I do need to make some videos of actually working. Actually, when I first started my channel, my plan was to make a few videos showing the Micsig scope (because I couldn’t really find too many when I was shopping for one, so I thought I’d make some for anyone else interested in it, or just bought one), then I planned to make videos diagnosing and repairing my customers cars. At first, I made a few doing just that, but unfortunately I accidentally deleted them (long story) during the editing process. I was really frustrated at that point, to say the least. A lot of time went into making those; all while my customers are in a hurry waiting on me. I have a small mobile automotive diagnostic & repair service (they are almost all in a hurry). Also, some people like to linger around while I’m working, and some aren’t thrilled about it taking longer so I can make a video. Anyway, I’m telling you all this to get to this point. As soon as I buy a GoPro (possibly best choice for this) that I can attach to my head, I plan on getting back to making those videos. I figure I’d be able to do it much quicker if I’m not having to constantly set up & relocate the camera. God bless & and have a nice day Ed.
What does the term "back-probe" refer to? You are probing the circuit, which is clean - buy why do you say "back-probe"?
Hello ReBus, how are you? When I say “back probe” it means, simply probing the backside of a wiring harness, by sliding an acupuncture type probe (or similar ) along side of a wire, into the harness, until you make contact with the circuit. I thought it was a common saying. Maybe just in the automotive field. That’s where I picked it up anyway. Thanks for the question and stopping by the channel, my friend.