My first MacBook was an Air, lasted me through graduate school and my business. Never went back to HP. For the most bang for your buck at today’s prices, you made an excellent decision on the M2 Air.
I bought a 14 inch M3 Max (40 core GPU, 48 GB memory, 2 TB SSD) this week and am loving it! I’m coming from a binned 16 inch M1 pro and the difference is enormous. As a software developer, things are running so smooth now. I know, the M1 also handles the tasks very well but I was lacking on memory more often recently. The reason I went for the Max is so I can also use it for gaming. I mainly play WoW (classic and retail) and am very impressed with the results. Both games can be played at max settings albeit with an fps cap of 60, Liquid Detail set to Fair and Resample Quality set to FidelityFX. After changing those settings, the fans never kick in (this has been tested in crowded areas and raids for both games).
And here I am developing on a ZenBook pro 14 13700h 4060 32gb. Yes I repasted using lm and now 110w sustained is possible on the CPU. However the efficiency is garbage and I recently tried an m3pro 12c and it's much faster and lasts all day long. Not to mention scientific and Linalg calculations are next level on apple silicon
@@octny The 16 inch has less chance to throttle due to its bigger chassis. However, I haven’t had any issue so far with throttling (but mind you, I only have the laptop for 2 days😃) I chose the 14 inch over the 16 inch as I am more fan of the smaller form factor.
That Information made my day ❤ noone could tell me before ;). I just need an MacBook and the only game i play is classic wow :). I wanted to buy an Gaming Laptop like an Razer Blade 18/Rog Strix Scar 18. But i know that i can live better with an MacBook when i am not gaming ;)
Nice comparison video , I got the m3 max 14 inch version of what was reviewed in the video , I almost went with a refurbished M2 Max , but decided on the M3 max as I felt it would be the best improvement my budget could support going from a m1 air . And I’m definitely happy with my purchase. The upgraded chip set and 36 gb ram are amazing.
I just got a returb M2 Max Studio. If I was working in 3D rendering daily then I would have waited for the M3 but I don’t and I won’t pay for their price hikes. This is the last apple computer I’ll buy if they keep raising prices like this or limiting the max RAM on their lower end products. I’m hoping for a windows ARM revolution to make Apple think twice about crippling their products and ripping people off.
I am not sure if you still have both binned and un-binned M3 Max computers, but it would be really good to see a head to head lower power mode battle between the two and see how they stack up.
would be nice to show the differences also with M1 Max in the same price 2 yrs ago. For example the biggest improvement is in Blender when M1 Max 32c make 2:11 in party tug render what is 2 times longer than M2 Max in this video but still good value in other tasks.
YESSSS guys, thank you so much for this comparison! You finally did the EXACT test I needed to see (denoising and also rendering timeline)! Both 24 fps just like an RTX 4090 laptop version?! Insane performance! Thank you!!
All things being equal in terms of performance, battery life is HUGE to me. I would be willing to pay more for better battery life all day long. After all, it is a lap top and that’s the essential feature of any lap top… battery life
The M2 max is not as discounted here in the UK which is a shame. I'd like to see more davinci resolve tests especially with Denoise, de flicker and colour graded 4k h.264 render times compared.
Just bought myself a nice refurbished 64GB ram and 2TB M1 Max MacBook Pro 💻 and it is plenty of bough for what I do with design, development and some video editing for now
From M2 Max to M3 Max there is a big and worthwhile upgrade has significantly more P Cores alongside IPC improvement, M2 Pro vs M3 pro the difference is small. Single core is a ok jump, but multi core isn’t
This video helped me decide to go with an Apple Refurbished M2 Max 12/28 32GB Ram 1TB SSD for $2.9k (from the Apple Store), vs the 3M Max base which sits at $3.5k. I do mostly web development and photo editing, so the difference in performance is negligible. Not worth the 20% price difference.
I think Apple is getting their users to get used to higher pricing to that when they reduce their prices by 5 cents, then there would be a mad rush to buy them. Don't know for the life of me why anyone would tolerate these exorbitantly higher prices.
I dont understand. U are exporting the same 4k hevc and h264 timeline on mac studio m1 ultra and then macbook pro m3 max and how do you get more or less the same export speeds ?
How much faster is the top m3max model vs the base m3max in gaming especially, because I saw only a 3dmark test and not a real game. Thanks. I mention to you I bought the m3mx base because the top was 600 euro more expensive and wasn t on stock. Did I take a bad decision?
We didn't do a ton of gaming tests, but because the frequency is the same between both it's just the core difference, your real-world gaming performance differences will be similar to what you saw in that test. The 40 core is definitely more powerful, but like you said it costs a lot more, and if needed you can just turn down the settings slightly to compensate.
I have a M2 Max with 96gb of ram. Have been thinking about upgrading, but watching your videos made me realize just how m2 max is. I think i will be fine for few more years now. As a software developer, i need to have multiple IDE open, which use more than 60gb of ram. The speed is faster than most computers in the market
I’m a web developer and I recently upgraded a 16gb of ram m1 MacBook Pro 13 inch to a 14 inch m3 max binned with 36gb of ram. I will get the machine in a few days but I’m wondering how much the difference will be. I’m very excited but sometimes I wonder if I should spend the extra bucks for the top m3 max🤔
Yes, I agree! For some people, it can be drastic depending on what they do and how much time they spend waiting, but for most people even the binned M3 Pro is incredible.
Wanted to go for the M3 Max, but after much deliberation, I settled on the 16 inch M2 Max (38 core GPU, 96GB Memory, 8TB SSD). Not a video editor, so this will suffice.
I think it'll be the same every year. Just get last year's and it'll be good enough. I got my M1 when the M2 came out and I paid exactly what I think the machine was worth.
Now that some time has passed , the a17 pro and m3 chips aren’t as big of an upgrade as I thought they would be. The a17 pro chip only has 21% more transistors than the a15 from 2 years ago and it uses a lot of power when pushed.
How are you able to see the CPU stats using asitop? The program you guys used asitop doesn't seem to work properly on my M3 Max. Without anything running the CPU stats are showing 100% when Activity Monitor is not showing any usage. I think asitop needs to be fixed so wondering if you got your fixed from the author.
Since M series chips debuted the capabilities of these machines exceed the needs of mist users such that little difference would be seen in day-to-day use even when pushing these machines. It’s becoming like the automotive horsepower war-how much power can you really use driving on regular streets rather than a race track?
I dont buy apple devices, at least not yet. But dont hate on raytracing at the cost of some FPS. It is a fidelity gamechanger. I always max it out on my RTX4090
Watching this and wishing I could afford an m3 14inch with 36gb of ram as 16gb of ram on my m1 pro cant handle final cut pro with only two effects added without getting beach balls…so frustrated 😫
Hi Max and Vadim, 16" M3 Pro 12/16/36GB/2TB or 16" M3 Max 14/30/36GB/1TB I am planning to buy a new MBP and the last couple hundred of my budget can go on either adding more storage to an M3 Pro config or to get the base M3 Max with 1TB. What do you think is the better option here? What I am questioning is: 1) Would 36GB be enough for the M3 Max to show its full potential or I would need to have more RAM to do so? (Ofc, I won't buy 96GB of RAM, but rather compared with getting the top M3 Max 16/40 with 48 or 64 RAM). 2) How important is having more space, like 2TB, in case I am planning to use this laptop for at least 5-6 years given that I don't like external SSDs a lot. 3) Should I wait and save some more money and go all-in with a 16" M3 Max 16/40/64GB/2TB, or would it be an overkill anyways? Context: - My use case: AI dev, data science, and web dev. Some basic video editing as well. ( I don't need very high ram so 96GB with binned M3 Max is not on my list) - I currently have and intel MBP 2019 (the one with the disastrous butterfly keyboard, yes 😵) and I am looking to update to a machine that can make my life easier. Any suggestions or recommendations? Thank you very much for the useful videos.
Either one will be a big upgrade from your 2019 Intel (I still have one) even a M2 Macbook air is faster in most if not all real-world tasks with double to triple the battery life. If I had to choose between those two machines I would go for less storage but getting the M3 Max. 36GB RAM should be just fine. I don't love external SSD's too but the price difference is huge between paying Apple $400 for 1TB of SSD (going from 1TB to 2TB) or getting 2TB's of small and fast external SSD for $169 geni.us/6dGT . You can also get 4TB in the same size for $349. Keep your most important stuff on the MacBook and the rest on the external. With that, when you sell your Macbook you won't get much or anything for extra storage you purchased but you can just keep your external ssd. As for waiting longer to get a more expensive M3 Max, I would say it depends on how long you think you'll keep it and how long it will take you to save up the extra. If its 1 extra month or maybe 2, then I would say yea it might be worth waiting, but if its going to take an extra 6 months then I would say just get the binned M3 Max now. If you do want to save up extra, I don't think you need to get the 64GB RAM version. The 48GB is more than enough for most people, and if you dip into ssd swap sometimes its totally fine with the very fast internal SSD's.
UA-camr TECHNO PREMIUM provides a video that compares different systems for AI running Llama2 models. Information that is presented in the video and comments by some viewers may be useful to you with respect to identifying your memory requirements for your specific AI workflow. My reading and talk with someone who is involved with ASIC and hardware system development in this area suggests that memory requirements in certain AI/ML workflows can be massive as it is desired to process large data sets in RAM for efficient processing.
@@MaxTechOfficial Thank you very much for the detailed answer. I now have a good idea what to look for and what to allocate my budget for. Based on what you said, I think I am liking the standard binned M3 Max config 14/30/36GB/1TB and probably gonna get that soon.
@@gerald1964 IMO, no need for the crazy specs this youtuber is using for a local machine for many reasons: 1) Most AI frameworks are still not so optimized for Apple Silicon and CUDA still provides much better performance. So, I would rather save some money and invest in a local GPU or cloud resources than maxing out a MacBook. 2) Usually AI jobs take hours to be completed and one cannot leave the laptop on and wait, so these usually end on a server or cloud. I usually use the local machine to run some simple experiments or some canary tests before submitting jobs to a server, or to conduct some analysis and run some light weight algorithms. For that 48-64 GB w/ M3 Max binned is more than enough, but the problem is Apple does not allow these RAM options with it. They only allow a 96 RAM upgrade for around 800€, which is ridiculous and not worth it. If more RAM options were allowed, I would pick up `16" M3 Max 14/30/64GB/1 or 2 TB` without hesitation.
Think I'm just going to skip the M3 generation and hope they bring back at least 200GB/s memory bandwidth in a base or mid-range M4 Pro. Stick with my M1 Pro and M2 Max in the meantime.
I was looking forward to getting a Max Studio to get a get price on an M3 Max, but now I am starting to believe that Apple will bring the base pro chip to the Studio and increase the price on the M3 Max. And no, no one should buy an M2 for whatever reason. That is just nonsense unless you don't need performance, then if that's the case. just buy a base M1 Air.
1:44 i rescpect the speed at which u put out your vids, but in my memory that happens quite often with your vids. It’s a little confusing. Not a dealbreaker, but a little disturbing. Nerveless, love your vids.
I kinda hate videos like this. When the M4 Max comes out, they will say buy the discounted M3 Max. Reality is M1/M2 MacBook Air is what 90% of people should be buying.
We've said that many times. M2 Macbook Air is enough for most people, especially the 15" model. With that said some people can greatly benefit from M3 Max and the extra cost of the machine pays off in 1-2 Months. After that it's all profit. Many people like that watch our channel. And yes, when M4 Max comes out we will do a similar video. Sometimes the older gen is barely slower and can cost a lot less (like we had with M1 Max vs M2 Max).
Can we stop with the binned/unbinned nonsense? They're all binned that's how they decide which CPU it's going to be during testing. What you're left with is a full core and reduced core version. The reduced cores version didn't fully pass testing and had cores disabled or they disabled cores to meet production requirements. However both are binned.
Benchmark screens don’t show the whole picture. Not many people run their computers at full tilt all day long. Please consider some real world day to day comparisons.
Such an ambiguous comparison. What's your final opinion then? Cause in 9 out of 10 comparison charts, the M3 won, but close to the end you say you would actually get the M2? I don't understand.
I've seen no improvement in youtube content since the introduction of the M3 computers, so conclude the benefit is only speed or capacity for high end users. M3 second generation will be arriving eventually adding more cost and performance.
This is how Apple is making sure that customers shouldn’t get too much in terms of performance improvements by reducing SSD bandwidth or reducing GPU/CPU core. All those missing cores and SSD bandwidth will eventually be part of it as a new product next year
its not that deep. Apple has access to data from users of macs that show most users are not even using that much bandwidth in the first place. lt makes sense from a buisness stand point to trim unused fat. reddit and apple rumor forums nerds only see numbers on the paper and cry whenever apple does something they do not understand. litterly no one here or in those outlets are youtubers and/or true professionals. these benchmarks are just for clicks/views as they dont transfer to real life perfomance for the majoirty of macbook users
The binning is probably due to the yield of the new 3nm, which has been well advertised at around 50-60%, so instead of e-wasting the chips with cores that do not pass QC, Apple turns them off and offers binned systems. This is not a grand conspiracy by Apple, it is good economic sense and environmentally friendly. But haters will hate...
@@ahaimes6320You are giving Apple way too much credit. They only work in dollars and cents given how poorly their third party supplies treat their workers.
It means that Apple has locked out 2 performance cores and 10 graphics cores compared to the regular M3 Max chip that they are now charging $4000 for. For most people, they don't need it.
ok so 4400 for M2 maxed out on 1 TB SSD, vs 5000, maxed M3 on 1 TB SSD, not worth it, I've got a M2 Max with 96 GB, it does everything! I can't even push it to the limit even with 8k video rendering
Recently found an amazing deal on an open box 14 inch M3 max 36gb/1tb binned 14 core CPU/30 core GPU for around $2500. Outstanding value and enough power for 95% of professionals.
Recently found an amazing deal on an open box 14 inch M3 max 36gb/1tb binned 14 core CPU/30 core GPU for around $2500. Outstanding value and enough power for 95% of professionals.
The fact that a product thats supposed to be an upgrade to the last gen performs worse in the gpu bench mark at the same price point is a testament to apples greed. I literally purchased the 14/30 MacBook Pro 16 and canceled my order when I saw this video. Idc if it’s only in one benchmark, I refuse to pay the same price for a downgrade from a previous gen laptop in anyway, especially not for 3300 dollars (I got it on sale). Now I’m trying to justify paying 3800 dollars for the unbinned MacBook Pro 16 or just saying fuck it. What the fuck Apple. I thought the fact that a 4 thousand dollar laptop that only comes with 1tb of storage in 2024 was bad enough.
Can anyone help me? I am upgrading from a 2018 mac mini. I only use Photoshop at an intense level as I am a pro retoucher. the mini has been great, it still works fine i7 64gb ram, I just nee to be able to work while i travel now. So shoudl i get a refurbished M2 max with 128gb ram or spend $1000 more for the M3 max with less ram.
Seriously doubt you need anything over 64gb ram most likely 36 is enough. Remember that unified memory can use SSD if you need more than the ram you have. I recently found a great deal on an open box M3 max 36gb 1tb binned 14 core 14 inch, around $2500. The absolute sweet spot and best value for professionals imo.
The binned version has (3) channels of RAM (300 GB/s bandwidth) vs. (4) for the non-binned (400 GB/s bandwidth). 64GB divides well by (4), but not (3).
I would love to see a more "scientific" approach and inclusion of performance per dollar comparison charts alongside or incorperated into the gen vs gen ones. Instead of generalized opinions. Not sure how those formulas would look like but I'm also not a UA-camr. I think I'm in the majority when I say that I care about the value more than the release date. Even if the newer ones are better value than old or vice versa. Whether that's Apple vs Apple or vs Windows and Android. No surprises when new is faster than old.
It's hard to do for some videos, especially if you're looking at older-gen machines where the discounts vary all the time. We can show one price on screen but the next day the laptops go up by hundreds of dollars so because of that I often just generalize it. You can always divide the current prices by the performance for what you do. With that said, we did do performance per dollar in our full M3 MacBook lineup video here: ua-cam.com/video/tS1DeT7dBvE/v-deo.html
For people buying the M3 Max or M2 Max, pricing is probably the least of their preferences as time is money, and faster performance means time to start another job. So, no, it is not essential in this video. However, the lower chips could be more relevant.
It all would be nice if only apple allowed full 120hz promotion in low power mode, I have no clue what the hell they are thinking disallowing that. But well that is apple the care about $ in the first place, it absolutely should be configurable in which case the m3 max would be a no brainer as one could just run it in low power mode. As is if one does not need the extra power of the max chip but does want 120hz promotion and the best battery life one should buy the m3 pro chip. Ironically m3 max is worse than m3 pro in single thread mode which is what you use when you just browse the web and work your mails. M3 Max running in low power mode is somewhat better than m3 pro in normal mode and uses less energy but you only get 60hz promotion. Ridiculous. It feels very dumb. Now, the fun part starts that if you want m3 pro with 36GB and 1TB it is an unpopular configuration and you can find m3 max binned with the same RAM and storage capacity brand new for the same price as the m3 pro if you get a good deal. Which makes one feel very silly. So, fuck this, apple botched it again.
Absolutely incredible stuff from Apple. This is such a powerful chip they got there! This would definitely spark a competition from Intel and AMD. Intel has a history of annswering back with relative success. Like when AMD came and Intel pushed forward after AMD's competition or when Apple came with M1 which dramatically changed and pushed the Windows machine further. Now M3 Max is more powerful than i9 13900k. I hope that Intel can answer that within the next 2 years.
I think a great disclaimer to put out there is if you want to get the M3 Max chip, it’s only worth getting the highest one due to the memory bandwidth. Also it’s only worth getting that chip with a 16 inch since the 14 inch can’t cool the device enough to reach that peak performance
Hey guys, I really need a hard drive right now to back things up but pocket is tight right now, is there anyone can help me by offer me freelance works to help me buy a hard drive or if you able to help me directly I will be really appreciated too!
You're full of it. Only people with no maths skill will watch this video and don't see how your stats are 'a little bit faster' or 'insignificant ' based on how you want to sell it. But yet in both cases the percentage difference is the same, 15%.
I just got a M2 Air yesterday! First MacBook ever. Your channel helped me decide which one to get. 16gb Ram and 512 SSD. Very excited. Thanks guys 🙏🏾
My first MacBook was an Air, lasted me through graduate school and my business. Never went back to HP. For the most bang for your buck at today’s prices, you made an excellent decision on the M2 Air.
Nice. Good choice on the specs
I have the same laptop, I love it, typing on it right now. does everything I need it to do.
@@gp3012 🙏🏾
@@leebeeskee Thanks! Idk what RAM is exactly but literally every review said get 16gb of RAM.
I bought a 14 inch M3 Max (40 core GPU, 48 GB memory, 2 TB SSD) this week and am loving it! I’m coming from a binned 16 inch M1 pro and the difference is enormous. As a software developer, things are running so smooth now. I know, the M1 also handles the tasks very well but I was lacking on memory more often recently.
The reason I went for the Max is so I can also use it for gaming. I mainly play WoW (classic and retail) and am very impressed with the results. Both games can be played at max settings albeit with an fps cap of 60, Liquid Detail set to Fair and Resample Quality set to FidelityFX. After changing those settings, the fans never kick in (this has been tested in crowded areas and raids for both games).
Is the 14 inch version better than the 16 inch? Don’t you lose performance due to throttling?
And here I am developing on a ZenBook pro 14 13700h 4060 32gb. Yes I repasted using lm and now 110w sustained is possible on the CPU. However the efficiency is garbage and I recently tried an m3pro 12c and it's much faster and lasts all day long.
Not to mention scientific and Linalg calculations are next level on apple silicon
@@octny The 16 inch has less chance to throttle due to its bigger chassis. However, I haven’t had any issue so far with throttling (but mind you, I only have the laptop for 2 days😃) I chose the 14 inch over the 16 inch as I am more fan of the smaller form factor.
That Information made my day ❤ noone could tell me before ;).
I just need an MacBook and the only game i play is classic wow :).
I wanted to buy an Gaming Laptop like an Razer Blade 18/Rog Strix Scar 18.
But i know that i can live better with an MacBook when i am not gaming ;)
@@thomask9675 just get 12/18 m3pro you extremely happy with it
Nice comparison video , I got the m3 max 14 inch version of what was reviewed in the video , I almost went with a refurbished M2 Max , but decided on the M3 max as I felt it would be the best improvement my budget could support going from a m1 air . And I’m definitely happy with my purchase. The upgraded chip set and 36 gb ram are amazing.
The M3 max is an amazing upgrade. If you can afford it get one. I did and couldn’t be happier.
What did you get? 14 or 16 inch? And updates?
I just got a returb M2 Max Studio. If I was working in 3D rendering daily then I would have waited for the M3 but I don’t and I won’t pay for their price hikes. This is the last apple computer I’ll buy if they keep raising prices like this or limiting the max RAM on their lower end products. I’m hoping for a windows ARM revolution to make Apple think twice about crippling their products and ripping people off.
I am not sure if you still have both binned and un-binned M3 Max computers, but it would be really good to see a head to head lower power mode battle between the two and see how they stack up.
would be nice to show the differences also with M1 Max in the same price 2 yrs ago. For example the biggest improvement is in Blender when M1 Max 32c make 2:11 in party tug render what is 2 times longer than M2 Max in this video but still good value in other tasks.
YESSSS guys, thank you so much for this comparison! You finally did the EXACT test I needed to see (denoising and also rendering timeline)! Both 24 fps just like an RTX 4090 laptop version?! Insane performance! Thank you!!
I’d like a video on battery and throttling numbers for 14” M3 Max 30 vs 40 and M3 Pro.
All things being equal in terms of performance, battery life is HUGE to me. I would be willing to pay more for better battery life all day long. After all, it is a lap top and that’s the essential feature of any lap top… battery life
The M2 max is not as discounted here in the UK which is a shame. I'd like to see more davinci resolve tests especially with Denoise, de flicker and colour graded 4k h.264 render times compared.
I've seen instances where its even the same price or slightly more expensive... for refurbished... absolutely mental..
what the deuce happened at 1:43 lmao
They pulled a clip from another video… but just forgot to mute the audio for it. Just a slight mistake which was more humor than harm imo
Please compare MBP M2 Max (12c/g30) vs MBP M3 pro (12c/18g)
Just bought myself a nice refurbished 64GB ram and 2TB M1 Max MacBook Pro 💻 and it is plenty of bough for what I do with design, development and some video editing for now
exactly the video I was looking for. Thank you a lot! 🙏🏽
From M2 Max to M3 Max there is a big and worthwhile upgrade has significantly more P Cores alongside IPC improvement, M2 Pro vs M3 pro the difference is small. Single core is a ok jump, but multi core isn’t
This video helped me decide to go with an Apple Refurbished M2 Max 12/28 32GB Ram 1TB SSD for $2.9k (from the Apple Store), vs the 3M Max base which sits at $3.5k. I do mostly web development and photo editing, so the difference in performance is negligible. Not worth the 20% price difference.
yep
This just confirms to me that what we need is more optimized software
I think Apple is getting their users to get used to higher pricing to that when they reduce their prices by 5 cents, then there would be a mad rush to buy them. Don't know for the life of me why anyone would tolerate these exorbitantly higher prices.
Looks like I’ll be keeping my M2Max for editing. Time to get a PC for gaming 😂😂😂
Geforce now is a thing tho
I dont understand. U are exporting the same 4k hevc and h264 timeline on mac studio m1 ultra and then macbook pro m3 max and how do you get more or less the same export speeds ?
How much faster is the top m3max model vs the base m3max in gaming especially, because I saw only a 3dmark test and not a real game. Thanks. I mention to you I bought the m3mx base because the top was 600 euro more expensive and wasn t on stock. Did I take a bad decision?
We didn't do a ton of gaming tests, but because the frequency is the same between both it's just the core difference, your real-world gaming performance differences will be similar to what you saw in that test. The 40 core is definitely more powerful, but like you said it costs a lot more, and if needed you can just turn down the settings slightly to compensate.
Hell if you’ve got an Intel Mac or have never owned a Mac I think you’d still be blown away by one of the M1 Max’s… seriously.
Hello. At the same price would you buy a Macbook Pro 14 with an M2 Max 32Gb Ram ou an M3 pro CPU 18Gb Ram? Thanks 😊
I have a M2 Max with 96gb of ram. Have been thinking about upgrading, but watching your videos made me realize just how m2 max is. I think i will be fine for few more years now. As a software developer, i need to have multiple IDE open, which use more than 60gb of ram. The speed is faster than most computers in the market
how much did you buy it for?
Also, i'd like to se a comparison between 18 vs 36gb ram on M3 PRO
It sucks, just buy the 36GB.
I’m a web developer and I recently upgraded a 16gb of ram m1 MacBook Pro 13 inch to a 14 inch m3 max binned with 36gb of ram. I will get the machine in a few days but I’m wondering how much the difference will be. I’m very excited but sometimes I wonder if I should spend the extra bucks for the top m3 max🤔
16gb is hindering me on my m1 pro for video editing, definitely need more ram…though for you, 36gb will make a difference but not massively.
Looks like a banger! Always love your videos guys. ❤
We are at the point where we find it hard to justify sinking money for not-enough-improvements-for-what-I-do upgrades
Yes, I agree! For some people, it can be drastic depending on what they do and how much time they spend waiting, but for most people even the binned M3 Pro is incredible.
Wanted to go for the M3 Max, but after much deliberation, I settled on the 16 inch M2 Max (38 core GPU, 96GB Memory, 8TB SSD). Not a video editor, so this will suffice.
@joethong726 could you please tell what do you think about battery usage each day?
I think it'll be the same every year. Just get last year's and it'll be good enough.
I got my M1 when the M2 came out and I paid exactly what I think the machine was worth.
on the Xcode part it's not roughly 40% difference. 110 sec vs 78 sec is a 29% difference.
It depends on which way you’re measuring, it is 40% if you’re measuring how much longer the M2 model takes vs the M3.
You're videos are the bomb man! So much details!!! Love them!!! KEEP UP!
They're dodgy they handpick models that they know it is unfair comparison. M3 Max with 400Gb/s of bandwidth smoke the M2 Max.
Last video: why you should buy m3 max
This video: why you should not buy m3 max.
Next video: I was mistaken.
Now that some time has passed , the a17 pro and m3 chips aren’t as big of an upgrade as I thought they would be. The a17 pro chip only has 21% more transistors than the a15 from 2 years ago and it uses a lot of power when pushed.
I need some good LLM benchmarks and tests..
same
How are you able to see the CPU stats using asitop? The program you guys used asitop doesn't seem to work properly on my M3 Max. Without anything running the CPU stats are showing 100% when Activity Monitor is not showing any usage. I think asitop needs to be fixed so wondering if you got your fixed from the author.
Thanks for this Comparison. What Benchmark is important for Lightroom users? For example with huge libraries with over 100k pics?
m3 pro binned version also "downgraded". I'm curious to see that comparison too
please make a video about m3 m2 m1 running win 11 with paralleles please
What do you think about MacBook pro with M3Pro vs the MacBook pro with M2Max???
Enjoying my Mac Studio M2 Max...
A slight correction needed. The graph at 2:58 shows two M3 Max labels. :)
The question is waiting for the M4 or not?
Apple M3 Max chip with 16‑core CPU, 40‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine 128GB unified memory
ANY IDEA ABOUT THE BANDWIDTH ?
Since M series chips debuted the capabilities of these machines exceed the needs of mist users such that little difference would be seen in day-to-day use even when pushing these machines. It’s becoming like the automotive horsepower war-how much power can you really use driving on regular streets rather than a race track?
“you can have it in any color, as long as it is black” (c) Henry Ford
I dont buy apple devices, at least not yet. But dont hate on raytracing at the cost of some FPS. It is a fidelity gamechanger. I always max it out on my RTX4090
Watching this and wishing I could afford an m3 14inch with 36gb of ram as 16gb of ram on my m1 pro cant handle final cut pro with only two effects added without getting beach balls…so frustrated 😫
Paying much more to run in low power mode kills the m3 pro max for me
Are you considering comparison of Mac Studio?
The M3 Studio won't be out for a while.
Hi Max and Vadim,
16" M3 Pro 12/16/36GB/2TB or 16" M3 Max 14/30/36GB/1TB
I am planning to buy a new MBP and the last couple hundred of my budget can go on either adding more storage to an M3 Pro config or to get the base M3 Max with 1TB. What do you think is the better option here?
What I am questioning is:
1) Would 36GB be enough for the M3 Max to show its full potential or I would need to have more RAM to do so? (Ofc, I won't buy 96GB of RAM, but rather compared with getting the top M3 Max 16/40 with 48 or 64 RAM).
2) How important is having more space, like 2TB, in case I am planning to use this laptop for at least 5-6 years given that I don't like external SSDs a lot.
3) Should I wait and save some more money and go all-in with a 16" M3 Max 16/40/64GB/2TB, or would it be an overkill anyways?
Context:
- My use case: AI dev, data science, and web dev. Some basic video editing as well. ( I don't need very high ram so 96GB with binned M3 Max is not on my list)
- I currently have and intel MBP 2019 (the one with the disastrous butterfly keyboard, yes 😵) and I am looking to update to a machine that can make my life easier.
Any suggestions or recommendations?
Thank you very much for the useful videos.
Either one will be a big upgrade from your 2019 Intel (I still have one) even a M2 Macbook air is faster in most if not all real-world tasks with double to triple the battery life. If I had to choose between those two machines I would go for less storage but getting the M3 Max. 36GB RAM should be just fine.
I don't love external SSD's too but the price difference is huge between paying Apple $400 for 1TB of SSD (going from 1TB to 2TB) or getting 2TB's of small and fast external SSD for $169 geni.us/6dGT . You can also get 4TB in the same size for $349. Keep your most important stuff on the MacBook and the rest on the external. With that, when you sell your Macbook you won't get much or anything for extra storage you purchased but you can just keep your external ssd.
As for waiting longer to get a more expensive M3 Max, I would say it depends on how long you think you'll keep it and how long it will take you to save up the extra. If its 1 extra month or maybe 2, then I would say yea it might be worth waiting, but if its going to take an extra 6 months then I would say just get the binned M3 Max now. If you do want to save up extra, I don't think you need to get the 64GB RAM version. The 48GB is more than enough for most people, and if you dip into ssd swap sometimes its totally fine with the very fast internal SSD's.
UA-camr TECHNO PREMIUM provides a video that compares different systems for AI running Llama2 models. Information that is presented in the video and comments by some viewers may be useful to you with respect to identifying your memory requirements for your specific AI workflow. My reading and talk with someone who is involved with ASIC and hardware system development in this area suggests that memory requirements in certain AI/ML workflows can be massive as it is desired to process large data sets in RAM for efficient processing.
@@MaxTechOfficial Thank you very much for the detailed answer. I now have a good idea what to look for and what to allocate my budget for.
Based on what you said, I think I am liking the standard binned M3 Max config 14/30/36GB/1TB and probably gonna get that soon.
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IMO, no need for the crazy specs this youtuber is using for a local machine for many reasons:
1) Most AI frameworks are still not so optimized for Apple Silicon and CUDA still provides much better performance. So, I would rather save some money and invest in a local GPU or cloud resources than maxing out a MacBook.
2) Usually AI jobs take hours to be completed and one cannot leave the laptop on and wait, so these usually end on a server or cloud. I usually use the local machine to run some simple experiments or some canary tests before submitting jobs to a server, or to conduct some analysis and run some light weight algorithms.
For that 48-64 GB w/ M3 Max binned is more than enough, but the problem is Apple does not allow these RAM options with it. They only allow a 96 RAM upgrade for around 800€, which is ridiculous and not worth it.
If more RAM options were allowed, I would pick up `16" M3 Max 14/30/64GB/1 or 2 TB` without hesitation.
Think I'm just going to skip the M3 generation and hope they bring back at least 200GB/s memory bandwidth in a base or mid-range M4 Pro. Stick with my M1 Pro and M2 Max in the meantime.
I was looking forward to getting a Max Studio to get a get price on an M3 Max, but now I am starting to believe that Apple will bring the base pro chip to the Studio and increase the price on the M3 Max. And no, no one should buy an M2 for whatever reason. That is just nonsense unless you don't need performance, then if that's the case. just buy a base M1 Air.
Have you heard something at 01:45 😂 both are commentating at the same time 😅 how's the hanging bro?
Is ProMotion working on Low Power mode?
Get a M2 Max Macbook pro 32gb for £2000! I cannot wait. First time on mac in my whole life.
TLDR, is it better? Yes. Is it worth the upgrade? No.
1:44 i rescpect the speed at which u put out your vids, but in my memory that happens quite often with your vids. It’s a little confusing. Not a dealbreaker, but a little disturbing. Nerveless, love your vids.
I kinda hate videos like this. When the M4 Max comes out, they will say buy the discounted M3 Max. Reality is M1/M2 MacBook Air is what 90% of people should be buying.
We've said that many times. M2 Macbook Air is enough for most people, especially the 15" model. With that said some people can greatly benefit from M3 Max and the extra cost of the machine pays off in 1-2 Months. After that it's all profit. Many people like that watch our channel. And yes, when M4 Max comes out we will do a similar video. Sometimes the older gen is barely slower and can cost a lot less (like we had with M1 Max vs M2 Max).
Can we stop with the binned/unbinned nonsense? They're all binned that's how they decide which CPU it's going to be during testing. What you're left with is a full core and reduced core version. The reduced cores version didn't fully pass testing and had cores disabled or they disabled cores to meet production requirements. However both are binned.
Apple silicon’s energy efficiency is amazing
Benchmark screens don’t show the whole picture. Not many people run their computers at full tilt all day long. Please consider some real world day to day comparisons.
I have upgraded from m1 pro 16G 1T to m2 pro 32G 1T, MacBook pro is combing so expensive.
WHERE CAN I FIND THOSE WALLAPAPERS???
Such an ambiguous comparison. What's your final opinion then? Cause in 9 out of 10 comparison charts, the M3 won, but close to the end you say you would actually get the M2?
I don't understand.
doesn't have ray tracing and dynamic cache though..?
I've seen no improvement in youtube content since the introduction of the M3 computers, so conclude the benefit is only speed or capacity for high end users. M3 second generation will be arriving eventually adding more cost and performance.
Nice video
This is how Apple is making sure that customers shouldn’t get too much in terms of performance improvements by reducing SSD bandwidth or reducing GPU/CPU core. All those missing cores and SSD bandwidth will eventually be part of it as a new product next year
its not that deep. Apple has access to data from users of macs that show most users are not even using that much bandwidth in the first place. lt makes sense from a buisness stand point to trim unused fat. reddit and apple rumor forums nerds only see numbers on the paper and cry whenever apple does something they do not understand. litterly no one here or in those outlets are youtubers and/or true professionals. these benchmarks are just for clicks/views as they dont transfer to real life perfomance for the majoirty of macbook users
The binning is probably due to the yield of the new 3nm, which has been well advertised at around 50-60%, so instead of e-wasting the chips with cores that do not pass QC, Apple turns them off and offers binned systems. This is not a grand conspiracy by Apple, it is good economic sense and environmentally friendly. But haters will hate...
@@ahaimes6320You are giving Apple way too much credit. They only work in dollars and cents given how poorly their third party supplies treat their workers.
Wondering why nobody has mentioned the ssd noise on m3’s. My 2017 & all external don’t make any.. or it’s not audible.
Keep wondering 🤣
Why is the M3 Max 14/30 16 inch, 36gb ram an 1tb ssd binned? What does it mean? I wanted to get that one
It means that Apple has locked out 2 performance cores and 10 graphics cores compared to the regular M3 Max chip that they are now charging $4000 for. For most people, they don't need it.
ok so 4400 for M2 maxed out on 1 TB SSD, vs 5000, maxed M3 on 1 TB SSD, not worth it, I've got a M2 Max with 96 GB, it does everything! I can't even push it to the limit even with 8k video rendering
Recently found an amazing deal on an open box 14 inch M3 max 36gb/1tb binned 14 core CPU/30 core GPU for around $2500. Outstanding value and enough power for 95% of professionals.
Recently found an amazing deal on an open box 14 inch M3 max 36gb/1tb binned 14 core CPU/30 core GPU for around $2500. Outstanding value and enough power for 95% of professionals.
The fact that a product thats supposed to be an upgrade to the last gen performs worse in the gpu bench mark at the same price point is a testament to apples greed. I literally purchased the 14/30 MacBook Pro 16 and canceled my order when I saw this video. Idc if it’s only in one benchmark, I refuse to pay the same price for a downgrade from a previous gen laptop in anyway, especially not for 3300 dollars (I got it on sale). Now I’m trying to justify paying 3800 dollars for the unbinned MacBook Pro 16 or just saying fuck it. What the fuck Apple. I thought the fact that a 4 thousand dollar laptop that only comes with 1tb of storage in 2024 was bad enough.
M1 Pro/Max still king for video editing, the new chips don’t do squat for your workflow and not worth the extra $.
Depends on your ram requirements
Doesn't the M3 have hardware ray tracing?
1:44 There is a double voice over 👀
Can anyone help me? I am upgrading from a 2018 mac mini. I only use Photoshop at an intense level as I am a pro retoucher. the mini has been great, it still works fine i7 64gb ram, I just nee to be able to work while i travel now. So shoudl i get a refurbished M2 max with 128gb ram or spend $1000 more for the M3 max with less ram.
Seriously doubt you need anything over 64gb ram most likely 36 is enough. Remember that unified memory can use SSD if you need more than the ram you have. I recently found a great deal on an open box M3 max 36gb 1tb binned 14 core 14 inch, around $2500. The absolute sweet spot and best value for professionals imo.
1:43 🤣
Dumbest thing is not allowing for a 64 GB spec with the 30c M3 Max.
The binned version has (3) channels of RAM (300 GB/s bandwidth) vs. (4) for the non-binned (400 GB/s bandwidth). 64GB divides well by (4), but not (3).
I would love to see a more "scientific" approach and inclusion of performance per dollar comparison charts alongside or incorperated into the gen vs gen ones. Instead of generalized opinions. Not sure how those formulas would look like but I'm also not a UA-camr. I think I'm in the majority when I say that I care about the value more than the release date. Even if the newer ones are better value than old or vice versa. Whether that's Apple vs Apple or vs Windows and Android. No surprises when new is faster than old.
It's hard to do for some videos, especially if you're looking at older-gen machines where the discounts vary all the time. We can show one price on screen but the next day the laptops go up by hundreds of dollars so because of that I often just generalize it. You can always divide the current prices by the performance for what you do. With that said, we did do performance per dollar in our full M3 MacBook lineup video here: ua-cam.com/video/tS1DeT7dBvE/v-deo.html
For people buying the M3 Max or M2 Max, pricing is probably the least of their preferences as time is money, and faster performance means time to start another job. So, no, it is not essential in this video. However, the lower chips could be more relevant.
my HP on full throttle have 70 celsia degree :)
Anybody hearing overlapped audio in 1:43?
Audio gets messed up at 01:43
It all would be nice if only apple allowed full 120hz promotion in low power mode, I have no clue what the hell they are thinking disallowing that. But well that is apple the care about $ in the first place, it absolutely should be configurable in which case the m3 max would be a no brainer as one could just run it in low power mode.
As is if one does not need the extra power of the max chip but does want 120hz promotion and the best battery life one should buy the m3 pro chip. Ironically m3 max is worse than m3 pro in single thread mode which is what you use when you just browse the web and work your mails. M3 Max running in low power mode is somewhat better than m3 pro in normal mode and uses less energy but you only get 60hz promotion. Ridiculous. It feels very dumb. Now, the fun part starts that if you want m3 pro with 36GB and 1TB it is an unpopular configuration and you can find m3 max binned with the same RAM and storage capacity brand new for the same price as the m3 pro if you get a good deal. Which makes one feel very silly.
So, fuck this, apple botched it again.
do we really need to make videos about the same product every week, month, half year, and year?
Absolutely incredible stuff from Apple. This is such a powerful chip they got there! This would definitely spark a competition from Intel and AMD. Intel has a history of annswering back with relative success. Like when AMD came and Intel pushed forward after AMD's competition or when Apple came with M1 which dramatically changed and pushed the Windows machine further. Now M3 Max is more powerful than i9 13900k. I hope that Intel can answer that within the next 2 years.
Very simple.
Cpu wise: m3 max far superior
Gpu wise no ray t. : m2 max a bit superior
Gpu with ray t. : m3 max superior
m2 pro vs m3 pro?
01:41 is this a glitch?
1:43 what the heck!!
I think a great disclaimer to put out there is if you want to get the M3 Max chip, it’s only worth getting the highest one due to the memory bandwidth. Also it’s only worth getting that chip with a 16 inch since the 14 inch can’t cool the device enough to reach that peak performance
Yes Apple....keep scamming your customers 😂
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The M3 is a hot box reckoning back to the core i9 fridge defroster.
OH god the mistakes in the edits are everywhere
You're full of it. Only people with no maths skill will watch this video and don't see how your stats are 'a little bit faster' or 'insignificant ' based on how you want to sell it. But yet in both cases the percentage difference is the same, 15%.
What does "binned" mean?
That the chip has been selected to have certain cores disabled and have less performance but go into cheaper configurations.
Thank you!! @@MaxTechOfficial
m3 max cuz space black