Fox Live Valve: The Breakdown
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- Fox Live Valve launched a few years back on a very limited number of bikes. It promised to be the ultimate in suspension performance. Since then, It seems to have faded into the background. Recently Fox dropped Live Valve 1.5. Today we're going to dive deep and see what the fuss is about. How does it work? Is it worth the price tag? Is it the right move for you? Stick around to find out.
0:00 Intro
0:45 What is Live Valve?
3:00 Setup
4:00 The Bike
4:15 Ride Impressions
9:07 Who is Live Valve For?
As always, you can read the written companion piece on our website - www.bebikes.com/the-hub/fox-l... - Спорт
Great video thank you so much for your time and information that went into making this video 😊
Thanks for making and sharing this. This system makes me think of two similar things. First, maybe obvious, is RockShox "Brain" seen on some of the higher end Specialized bikes. This seems more complex, and more user accessible. The second is likely roots this system has in the older Formula 1 Active Suspension system, which was banned in 1994.
Thank you so much for making this video. I just purchased a very slightly used Pivot Firebird with the Live Valve> I didn't hear too many good reports from the original version but it is wonderful to hear that the refresh has been so effective. Happy Trails!!
Glad it helped!
I’ve had no issues and I have it on my my Giant Reign Advanced Pro 1. Loving it for the past year. I keep it in Open Mode if there is jumps and drops. Works perfect. Only firms up the rear shock when climbing or peddling flat ground. You can change the sensitivity in the menus on each mode. If I’m on a flow trail with very little jumps I put it in sport or firm with higher sensitivity.
I am not normally a early adopter but I pulled the trigger on a Trance E+ 0 with Live valve and been really happy with the system. Running it mainly in comfort mode and climb mode same as you. So far its been reliable and I honestly have not noticed the clicking too much.
I have the e+0 also and flipping love it! Did a 35 miles on it today and was playing around with live valve abit as my phones mounted on the bars! Most of the settings are quite subtle changes but you can really tell the difference when switching it to comfort or open! Instantly soaks up the sharp hits you would normally get on firm suspension!! Love it
Also I think the solanoid only clickes when you manually change the settings otherwise mine doesn’t click?? Does yours?
I have the same Combo as you, Trance X Adv Pro 1 with Live Valve. Agree, for me it is fire and forget on the trail. The bike is FAST and soaks up any grief I give it. My only concern is steep Climbing on smooth tarmac roads (to get to the trails...) When I sit the front fork stays locked out, so max pedalling efficiency. BUT, when I stand on the bike to put more power through it and attack the climb, the fork starts to bob so power being wasted. Any advice? I wish there was a manual lockout option, just for this scenario.... though I am willing to believe I am missing something really obvious.
You could run it in the firm setting as well as dial in the compression on the adjuster. Could help.
I just don't understand why they didn't do it like sram where default is open. Seems the wrong way around on the fox stuff.
What camera and settings are you using to record your riding? It looks great!
Rocking the Hero 10 these days. I run it through Final Cut for some simple color grading. Glad you like it!
So to change the settings from say climb to comfort etc, do you have to stop, get out your phone and go into the app? Or is there a controller somewhere on the bike to change it as you ride?
For those setting you have to use the app. I see those as more long term setting based on where you ride and your preferences. Really once you find the one you like the suspension reacts automatically to the trail so you shouldn’t need to change it often.
Great insight, just subbed! I'm torn between spending the extra for this model or going for the advanced pro 2 model. What size model did you test and how tall are you? Cheers!
Hey thanks! This was an XL and I'm 6'2"
@@bikersedge Thanks man! Do you know what your inside leg measurement is?
Fox should make a shockwiz a device that help you to tune your shocks as the sram shockwiz but fox
Even better it would be cool if fox live valve gave you that data in the app.
Looking to get a bike that will handle XC and Downhill. I am planning on riding 40+ overnight miles for XC and going downhill. I was riding a Giant Reign 2 for a while. Should I pull the trigger on this?
Anyone know if version 1.0 can use the app?
Are the shock cable connections at the controller and the fork permanently connected or break-away? With that much open cable slack in the front I could see a branch getting between the bike and the cable and ripping it right off. If that were to happen, then is it RIP for the controller without a shop fix?
There's a quick release on the cable right by the fork damper.
I have some neck problem. I would prefer comfort over practicality. Manual or fox live is better for this?
Manual and leave it open. That’s the most comfortable.
Technical climb, you are pointed up. You want it to give some. Does it?
Yes. Especially if you use the Climb setting with a lighter sensitivity.
I just bought this bike today with the live valve also. I was under the impression that you could just take it off If you don't like it but sounds more complicated than that. Looks like you would have to replace the top of the fork and shock with new heads that have the adjusters on it?
Yeah. You can’t take off the live valve. You can turn it off but you can’t easily take it off.
@@bikersedge So many mixed reviews. I wonder if I should cancel my order, or should I keep it?
I went to the shop. I'm on a medium but they had a large and I tried it out and it actually seemed pretty cool, still felt plush enough.
Where are you riding in this looks amazing
Park City. Nice spot.
It's even better on an E-Bike
I can imagine. Full robot bike.
I would like to see Live Valve on Reign E +
That would be cool.
@@bikersedge How do you think the reign would go with live valve on it.
Also, can you turn it completely off? Sorry If I missed it in your video.
Yes
Is this available aftermarket now?
Yes and no. They offer aftermarket kits for live valve specific bikes. The list is very limited with a handful of models from Giant and Pivot.
@@bikersedge Well, that's not a great way to develop a market for this product.
@@johnr5001 agreed. Not sure why but there must be some complications as to why they haven’t made a generic aftermarket kit available.
@@johnr5001 My gut is that Giant is so big (no pun intended) as a manufacturer, there's some sort of agreement between them and Fox to limit the availability of it...for now.
Is it better than ebike? If I’m not in shape will it help me about two seconds off my Strava time? How about sponsors will I get sponsors if I use this? I guess all that matters or all I care about is… Will my dentist colleagues be jealous?
I just can't get behind anything electronic. So far, there has been no electronic device that has significantly improved mountain bikes. One of the things I love about bikes is that they are all mechanical and they work so well. Electronics just add complexity with very little benefit. Literally, I not buying it. Just say NO to electronic seatposts, shifters, suspensions, and even e-bikes. And yes, I'll admit I'm an out-of-date caveman but in my experience, low tech is usually the best tech. Do we really need to attach a computer and a phone to everything we own?
I agree that there's something to be said for simple mechanical things. But, there's a lot to be said about innovation and advancement. Maybe there hasn't been a huge electronic improvement in bikes yet, but baby steps. I mean we're not out here doing math on an abacus, putting people on the moon with a catapult, and sending each other these comments via carrier pigeon... Give it time and electronics/computers will make MTB better.
Yeah make the bikes more technologically advanced and more expensive. I don’t need that shit either!
All this self adjusting to me is just a gimmick. By the time it made the adjustments, you've already passed the requirements it needed.
1000x per second is fast