R.C. is by far my favorite Theologian of all time. He’s an absolute surgeon with his teachings and explanations of some Scriptures’s most difficult sayings. Can’t even imagine how much joy you have now in the presence of our Lord.
@@riaanolwage2931well he died in faith, that is what makes somebody elected, he had true faith so we have great hope that he might be enjoying the Lord now and forever.
This is a hard teaching to hear. I always separate the sin from the sinner and thought God loved unconditionally. It's so hard yet I need to hear this so I know who the true God is. May He renew my mind to see Him as He truly is.
Jer17:9 “The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? 1Cor2:14 But natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. Rom 1:32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. "The real guilt, they inwardly avow, is not theirs but God's, and, because they cannot strike sadistically at God, they find a substitute for God in the innocent."
@Curt Christensen he did say that. He loves both. But one more than the other. He is right bro. What u were trying to defend, he just said it lol. In different words.
the sinner is the sin how do u separate that ecclesiasticus 12/6 for the most high hateth sinners and will repay vengeance unto the ungodly scripture never said he separate the sinner from the sin psalm 5/5 the boastful shall not stand in my sight the most high hate all workers of iniquity how do you love the sinner but hate sin the sinner is the sin
I doubt it according to the bible revelation 21/12 also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates and twelve angels at the gates and twelve names written on them which are the twelve tribes of the children of Israel according to the bible no other nation nation name is written in the gates but the children of Israel unless you can prove it from the bible
God paced it on my heart to share the Gospel with you. Jesus died and spilled His precious blood on the cross to pay the price for our sins, was buried and on the third day rose from the dead just like the scriptures said He would. Please accept your gift of salvation today by BELIEVING in what Jesus did for us! God bless you!
Praise our Father in Heaven for our godly teacher and disciple RC Sproul. Glory be to the Most High for this servant. Thank you for your service RC. You’re dearly missed but I can only rely upon Jesus and through my humble sanctification that one day, I might be there with you-praising the Most High right along with you. Praise our precious Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
The "incredible dimension" of the love of God becomes so much more profound when you understand the hatred of God. These qualities of God which we love to deny are spurned at the detriment of our ability to even begin to truly appreciate what God has actually done for us. "Behold what manner of love the Father has given unto us, that we should be called the sons of God!?"
To understand the decisions from parents and elders from one child to another would have been difficult for us siblings in the family... but I don't remember us young ones ever questioning them..My cousins and myself rarely questioned our parents , aunts and uncles ....A high regard and respect were always in our thoughts .. How much higher ot should be with God .the Maker and Creator of All and Everything...
20:00 But it's not simply about God's "attitude" - it's about His ESSENCE: "God IS Love" - Which means that even the most extreme exhibition of His wrath is rooted and grounded in His essence - Love. Dr. Sproul was once my professor at RTS - and he is a compelling orator. But after 15+ years as a Calvinist (and a PCA pastor) a veil was removed - and I accepted the simplicity of the deepest revelation in Scripture: God IS Love. For me, this changed *everything* .... One of the Westminster Divines, Peter Sterry came to see this as well... He wrote some of the most beautiful words outside of Scripture: "Dear Soul, whoever, whatever thou art, thou art the Offspring of God. St. Paul citeth this from a Poet, confirmeth it by a Divine Testimony, applyeth it Universally to all, maketh it the ground of Evangelical Truths, and Loves; Acts 17. 28. As some of your own Poets have said; We are his Off-spring. St. Paul hath something very like this, Ephes. 3. 9. The Gospel was hid in God from the Foundation of the World, who made all things by Jesus Christ. God had the love of the Gospel in his Heart, and sowed it as a secret Seed in the Foundations of the whole Creation, when he made all things by Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Seed of Nature, as well as of Grace, and so lieth hid in the Bosom of every Creature, as the true Pearl in the Field. That Divine Image, of which we spake before, was the similitude only, the Mother of Pearl; This is the Substance, the Pearl itself. In the Off-spring of God is the Seed of God. Where the Seed of God is, there is God himself in the Vertue, Power, and fulness of his Divine Nature. For so the Seed of every Plant hath that Plant Virtually, and Spiritually in it. Be now no more unbelieving; but believe. Believe the love, which God hath to thee. Believe, that all the Inclinations of the Divine Will are to thee; that the Eye, and heart of God are turned toward thee in every place, fixt upon thee with all that intention, and force of Sweetness in the Divine Nature. For why? He is drawn irresistibly to his own Seed, his own Son, his own self in thee. Thou art his Off-spring."
This is a remarkable exposition and outstanding exposision . As always very excellent presentation. Thanks dr Sproul and I am happy that youre now in a solemn place
Interesting. Always benefit from RC's thoughtful and deliberate lectures. This subject raises more questions: If God's love has "borders" or "limits," when does He let someone go? What do we tell people in our counseling so that they don't slip into despair? We are back full circle to the classic question, can someone lose his salvation, then, if he continues in what God hates? I would like to hear more on the topic of God's hatred.
God does love everyone the same. Yet because He is just He must judge the sinner. When He says He hates Esau and loves Jacob it doesnt not mean that He emotionally hates Esau, He's means He chooses Jacob to bring His promise through just as He chose Abraham and Issac. Paul isn't speaking about salvation in Romans 9, He speaking about how God is going to save both the Jews and the gentiles. He's saying that God chose a man Abraham, from Abraham he chose Isaac, from Isaac Jacob, from Jacob the nation and from that nation the Messiah. God is not vindictive, He isn't in heaven walking around hating people as you think, that is absolutely ridiculous. The bible says God is love. He IS LOVE, He doesn't only have love. This is a misrepresentation of God, this message is evil.
They showed greater loyalty to You than to their parents, brothers, or children. They obeyed Your commands and were faithful to Your Covenant. Deuteronomy 33:9
And that my friend is the kind of attitude one ends up with after being stuck in Calvinism. I've been in this for 20 years now. And really troubled by the fact that I can't go up to someone and witness to them with any confidence that God actually loves them
The Sheep and the Goats 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
As it is written, choose whom you will serve. God will choose those who choose Him as a general rule. Jesus said that Whosoever believes can be saved. Whosoever includes you.
Tatersalad19Cars... ...to give the right perspective to the transcendent/imminent manifestation of soteriological election, the very realization of your sentiment is precisely the effect that election has upon those for whom it is intended. This is so essential and even existential... it eviscerates the nonsense of "easy believism"-as well as disintegrates fatalism... because fatalism is the slipknot of those who are without that conviction. Christ's hand of salvation is not simply there for the asking-so, "that's all you got to do... ”... but rather- it's all you CAN DO!" And until that earnest heart of desperation is the accompaniment of repentance... nothing else can be done... because anything else will not do. Attempted metaphysical conceptualization in space-time produces strategical doom... And any assertion that "happened before the foundation of the world" (though theologically correct) suffers the corollary dissonance of what is happening in the imminent (now). Election re-incorporates the will *into* living what's coming right- at you! So it makes no sense to ask God to "elect" you because you can only ask (even beg) God to save you- now! And this is the exact opposite of fatalism. This is the necessity of credo baptism... In fact, it could be argued that pedobaptism is fatalistic because it never really _involved_ the individual... and as alluded to above- election *involves* the person! *†* (With all love to our Presbyterian Bretheren!). Soli Deo Gloria
Quit listening to calvinist teachings. Jesus loves you. Don't doubt his love for you anymore. Turn from your sins and live. I pray you find truth whoever you are and all those you represent who are so scared they may not be elect. I'm so sorry .
But where did it say i hate YOU? Amos 5 says "I hate your show and pretenses... sacrifices and your solemn assemblies" 7You twist justice, making it a bitter pill for the oppressed. You treat the righteous like dirt.😢 God is so concerned for the poor who are treated unjustly in this passage. And yet he at least says mulitple times to these rebellious people COME BACK to the Lord and LIVE lest you be destroyed ...cant you still his heart cry? He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. He still loves them, they are his special people knit together by Him in their mothers wombs. Underlying every act of Gods wrath is still an intense love for all He created and a desire for them to turn from their evil ways and live. Its a sincere call too. Not one in which he says come with one hand and puts out the other saying stop there i was just joking. I may be wrong. Feel free to correct me
God loves all of us the same. It’s sin that He hates. Esau’s pride hardened his heart- causing him to reject his inheritance and lack faith in our unseen God. God stating His hatred for Esau was a clear reference to sin, and how it governed Esau’s heart. Esau didn’t seek our Father’s truth, but Jacob did. Esau’s father is the one of ‘lies.’ God loves truth and hates lies. “God loves Jacob and hates Esau.”
Truly, God doesn't send people to hell, sadly people send themselves to hell when they choose to reject the gospel of Christ. Its like a person who is on a falling plane (going down) and they refuse to put on the parachute that has been made available to them, they need to put it on and jump to safety. Christ is that parachute in this life to save us from eternal death. Put on Christ by faith (believe and trust in Him) and find salvation in Him and Him alone. Blessings.
@terryrambarran5917 If God elected his people before any creation started. Than aren't people going to hell against their own will? I mean some people will want to be saved, call on christ and yet be rejected because God created them to be hated.
The bible says it Roman's 9 /13 as it is written for Jacob I have love but easu I have hated as it is written means it was written in malachi 1/2/3 before Roman's
Ah, the part of the series where the impostor God of the Old Testament's "loving", "divine" wrath and place of "eternal punishment" gets mixed with the all-loving Heavenly Father who would never harm anyone.
He doesn’t harm. But He will allow suffering to produce in us what would not come otherwise. Call out to Him while there is still time. Jesus is coming soon ⏳ God bless ❤️
Hated in Genesis concerning Esau means: despised abhor loathed no goodness towards Malachi 1:1-3 KJV [1] The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi. [2] I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord : yet I loved Jacob, [3] And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage 👉🏾waste for the 👉🏾dragons of the wilderness.
@@simba9735 Hi. I have a question for you. I want to get your perspective on the Gospel message itself. Would you agree that before Jesus went to punishment and to the Cross in your place, he also lived a perfectly obedient, holy, righteous, sinless, substitutionary life, the life you should have lived, but you are unable to? My answer would be 'yes', and that the reason he did so is why we are declared righteous in the sight of the Father and made acceptable to enter Heaven. Not only was he punished for sins, wiping our personal slate clean, but his perfect life is transferred to the believer as well. Would you agree with that?
@@simba9735 1. Yes, he was an example. 2. Yes, he is the way and shows us the way. 3. I'm saying even more than those two points, he is the substitute for the believer. Just as much as he is the substitute for the believer being punished in their place on the cross, he lived the life Worthy to enter Heaven in their place. Do you agree with that? Romans 8:4, 1 Peter 3:18, Romans 4:4-5, 2ndCorinthians 5:21
@@simba9735 You're aware that Jesus took your place on the cross, correct? That means He is your Substitute. I have more to explain, however I want to make sure you & I are on the same page at least this much before I go on. Are we in agreement so far?
@@simba9735 In Christian theology, two of the most important doctrines are justification and sanctification. They both pertain directly to the overall Doctrine of Salvation. They are like two sides of the same coin. On the one hand, justification happens in a believer's life one time, the moment God changes their heart from lost to saved, or spiritual birth, born again. You could look at this as a one-time experience in the Believers life. This person is now "justified" (declared righteous) in the eyes of God. Some great scriptures to look up regarding this would be John 1:12 and Colossians 1:13, Romans 4:4-5, but obviously, there are many many many scripture verses regarding Salvation. On the other side of the coin is sanctification. Whereas justification is a one-time event, sanctification is a lifelong process. This is where we believers pick up our cross daily and follow Christ. To understand in a basic way, justification and sanctification both have what you might call negative and positive aspects, negative meaning subtract and positive meaning add. The negative aspect of justification would be the subtraction of our sins because Christ was punished in our place. The positive aspect would be the addition of Christ's righteousness to the Believers personal account because Christ lived a perfect life in the Believers place. The word "sanctification" means to be set apart for a holy purpose. The negative aspect of sanctification is to be set apart from sin. The positive aspect of sanctification is to be set apart to God. This information is basic Christian theology found in most any Christian theology book on the subject of salvation and taught in Bible colleges and Christian seminaries. All Christians should share this with the world. It is the best news anybody could ever know and most importantly, Believe. Trust Christ!!! I hope this helps you and you write it down somewhere and share it with others.
This is a message which is sadly missing in the evangelical Church at large. Sproul is repeating the message of solid biblical thinkers like Johnathan Edwards (sovereign grace, sovereign judgement, and universal human evil). Was not “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” the most consequential sermon ever given in the English language? In the beginnings of the Great Awakening? That preceded the American Revolution? That created the greatest, most free nation state ever? But the Americans will surely lose their freedom unless they repent!
It's very interesting that Ligonier put out 11 videos about the love of God and the one on the hatred of God has thousands more views than the others. It's almost like we'd rather hear about God's hatred because we like to hate and feel justified when we see God doing it. From what I see most of ours flows not from a righteous indignation but from a self-righteous attitude towards others.
The video on God's Hatred has more views because God hating is a foreign concept to many Saints and so-called Saints alike. We all know God is Love and is loving. But hardly any realize that He has Divine Hatred
@@Lutheranjenkins "We all know God is Love and is loving" lol therein lies the problem. Scripture says the love of Christ surpasses understanding. You DON'T understand the love of God. The problem is you think you do. It's easy to believe in a hateful God. All the other religions have hateful gods, just look at the god of Islam. Love is the foreign concept, not hatred.
@@1689solas I know I don't understand the love of God. When did I say I do? You people in these comment sections love being the hero. Also... just saying here... "Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love." 1 John 4:7-8 BECAUSE GOD IS LOVE Buddy, my knowledge of God is drawn from Scripture. Scripture declares God is Love. But His love is righteous. He has Divine Anger as well. Go learn about the God of Abraham instead of the God of Calvin.
You can't even compare the creatures to man the creatures have no hatred towards God the creatures have nothing to do with it that's why they be audi 5000 to other worlds away from humans
I do agree that Salvation is by grace through faith. Both Arminian and Calvinist are too extreme and too problematic. Israel is elect, ofcourse, but is everybody in Israel saved? Ofcourse not!
Who hate is greater the children of men or Gods hate let's see God is one being against many men and women although you may see just a man you have got that very twisted. Those who come came and continue to provoke will be destroyed by a hatred that has been born out your own hatred.
@@HELLH0WND No. Because we deserve to be punished. Are you perfect? No, you've broken God's law just like everyone else. If God chooses to show mercy, then it's because He wants to show mercy. He doesn't have to show mercy, because if He did, then it wouldn't be mercy.
R.C. can literally place a solid Christian into depression. His 25 point Calvanist approach is a tough one to adopt but somehow you people do....yeah I know that it is 5 point but he takes it even farther than your typical hopeless Calvy.....I guess with election we just hope that faith in Christ comes with really good luck
God loves those who loves them and hates who hates him and his followers thats a fact but people are woundering about the damnd physiology ,see adamned is blocked by heaven according to intentions or behaviour they did or those from crossed the boundaries see in every truth to right path in life or to God path a damned will fine you an excuse to take you back to wrong track again while God matters are clear but a damned is blocked and even those who trying to see of God rage gathers them with bad influences that biggest job in their life is to keep them away from right track to God and thats exactly why God prevented to even sit and chat with those damneds for they are contiguous thats another reason why a believer shouldnt waist their energy and breath in trying to convince any of any truth , tell God's truth and make sure you do it the way it please God then full stop .God prevented things for good readons and i believe/totally agree about even these i cant see why of holly laws and blindly do , its God who guides i dont recall being anybody mama to advice my heart out them , lol i doubt if iam willing to do that to even a son if he stupid enought and didnt listened to me may be God selected him for hell .!!😁😀
This is a horrible teaching. For me always struggling with doubt of salvation. It just makes me think God hates me and doesn't want me. No matter how hard I try he has decided to reject me.
This is careless exegesis of Romans 9. Paul is clearly speaking to Israelites only (v. 3-4, which he skipped)... And the reference to Jacob & Esau is speaking of two nations (Gen 25:23), not 2 people. This has nothing to do with Salvation... He's referring to the promise of the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob... The Lord Jesus Christ! (Gal 3:16)
Sorry you have ZERO understanding of Romans 9 the text states , that the purpose of God according to election might stand ( individuals) not groups of people . Sound like you’ve never read the text before . Or your just regurgitating what some preacher said that don’t know what He’s taking about . Arminianism is heresy . Please more studying and less commenting .
@@paul.etedder2439 You are the one regurgitating the false premise of election. Paul SAYS he is speaking of the Israelites in v. 3-4. And I agree... Arminianism is heresy. So is Calvinism...
@@thewadester You guys love throwing the "heresy" word around until it literally means nothing. Pray tell, considering that Arminianism and Calvinism are the *only two options* , how exactly can they both be heresy?
Romans 9 is 100% talking about individuals, NOT about nations. You have to understand that the Bible has these things called "chapters" added by modern people. They are not broken up into chapters in the actual text. Therefore what is in chapter 8 of Romans, which is clearly talking about the golden chain of redemption of the INDIVIDUAL, and the thought continues in Paul's letter to the Romans in what we call chapter 9. We must read the Bible properly in the way it was written. To read this passage as information about nations is incredibly incoherent and irresponsible foolishness. To believe the text is not talking about individual election is to display zero integrity in reading the Scriptures.
@@paul.etedder2439 I totally agree 100% of what you just wrote God uses Paul to explain salvation is gods choice how much more clear r can God give you it’s not the one who runs it’s not the one who wills God chose before they did anything good or evil and then they try to band twist in reading to scripture to get free will unbelievable Who all is talking about salvation not bringing forth a race having mercy is salvation And so many other Bible verses say the same thing you can’t come to me unless it’s been granted by my father that’s another choice
People can’t handle this truth. Gods holiness is so hard to comprehend even as a believer, because I’m so sinful.
Amen. All this doctrine does is show how holy God is and heightens our appreciation of God’s grace toward the saints.
nonsense pure nonsense.
@@enotstehw looking back on this now as a catholic I kind of agree
R.C. is by far my favorite Theologian of all time. He’s an absolute surgeon with his teachings and explanations of some Scriptures’s most difficult sayings. Can’t even imagine how much joy you have now in the presence of our Lord.
Agreed! I miss Dr. Sproul. I, also, look forward to being in the presence of my Lord and Savior (Christ Jesus)😊
You hope he is there... Who told you that he is elected??
@@riaanolwage2931well he died in faith, that is what makes somebody elected, he had true faith so we have great hope that he might be enjoying the Lord now and forever.
This is a hard teaching to hear. I always separate the sin from the sinner and thought God loved unconditionally.
It's so hard yet I need to hear this so I know who the true God is. May He renew my mind to see Him as He truly is.
Jer17:9 “The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?
1Cor2:14 But natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
Rom 1:32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
"The real guilt, they inwardly avow, is not theirs but God's, and, because they cannot strike sadistically at God, they find a substitute for God in the innocent."
Jesus' teachings are supposed to be hard.
@Curt Christensen he did say that. He loves both. But one more than the other. He is right bro. What u were trying to defend, he just said it lol. In different words.
the sinner is the sin how do u separate that ecclesiasticus 12/6 for the most high hateth sinners and will repay vengeance unto the ungodly scripture never said he separate the sinner from the sin psalm 5/5 the boastful shall not stand in my sight the most high hate all workers of iniquity how do you love the sinner but hate sin the sinner is the sin
@@joshuatheo1419 not to us Israelites only to none Israelites
Boy oh boy how I love to hear him teach and preach, he’s a gentle giant , I’ll get to meet you in heaven 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I doubt it according to the bible revelation 21/12 also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates and twelve angels at the gates and twelve names written on them which are the twelve tribes of the children of Israel according to the bible no other nation nation name is written in the gates but the children of Israel unless you can prove it from the bible
God paced it on my heart to share the Gospel with you. Jesus died and spilled His precious blood on the cross to pay the price for our sins, was buried and on the third day rose from the dead just like the scriptures said He would. Please accept your gift of salvation today by BELIEVING in what Jesus did for us! God bless you!
Praise our Father in Heaven for our godly teacher and disciple RC Sproul. Glory be to the Most High for this servant. Thank you for your service RC. You’re dearly missed but I can only rely upon Jesus and through my humble sanctification that one day, I might be there with you-praising the Most High right along with you. Praise our precious Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
The "incredible dimension" of the love of God becomes so much more profound when you understand the hatred of God. These qualities of God which we love to deny are spurned at the detriment of our ability to even begin to truly appreciate what God has actually done for us. "Behold what manner of love the Father has given unto us, that we should be called the sons of God!?"
Pray for me ,may grace and mercy of God shine upon me
The glory of God will be made full in the judgement of the wicked as well as the righteous.
the bible says the world is given to the hand of my wicked and who is running the world
Praise God (Christ) for the biblical teachings of the late Dr. R.C. Sproul😊
Oh lord my God and creator please have mercy and compassion on me please and please God Almighty I so much need your MERCY and GRACE..
You can access the throne of grace through Christ ❤you have his mercy 2,000 years ago
To understand the decisions from parents and elders from one child to another would have been difficult for us siblings in the family... but I don't remember us young ones ever questioning
them..My cousins and myself rarely questioned our parents , aunts and uncles ....A high regard and respect were always in our thoughts ..
How much higher ot should be with God
.the Maker and Creator of All and Everything...
How Greater our Respect and Honor to the Lord's. .
20:00 But it's not simply about God's "attitude" - it's about His ESSENCE: "God IS Love" - Which means that even the most extreme exhibition of His wrath is rooted and grounded in His essence - Love.
Dr. Sproul was once my professor at RTS - and he is a compelling orator. But after 15+ years as a Calvinist (and a PCA pastor) a veil was removed - and I accepted the simplicity of the deepest revelation in Scripture: God IS Love. For me, this changed *everything* ....
One of the Westminster Divines, Peter Sterry came to see this as well... He wrote some of the most beautiful words outside of Scripture:
"Dear Soul, whoever, whatever thou art, thou art the Offspring
of God. St. Paul citeth this from a Poet, confirmeth it by a
Divine Testimony, applyeth it Universally to all, maketh it the
ground of Evangelical Truths, and Loves; Acts 17. 28. As some
of your own Poets have said; We are his Off-spring.
St. Paul hath something very like this, Ephes. 3. 9. The Gospel
was hid in God from the Foundation of the World, who made
all things by Jesus Christ.
God had the love of the Gospel in his
Heart, and sowed it as a secret Seed in the Foundations of the
whole Creation, when he made all things by Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the Seed of Nature, as well as of Grace, and so lieth hid in the Bosom of every Creature, as the true Pearl in the Field.
That Divine Image, of which we spake before, was the similitude only, the Mother of Pearl; This is the Substance, the Pearl itself. In the Off-spring of God is the Seed of God. Where the Seed of God is, there is God himself in the Vertue, Power, and fulness of his Divine Nature. For so the Seed
of every Plant hath that Plant Virtually, and Spiritually in it.
Be now no more unbelieving; but believe. Believe the love, which
God hath to thee. Believe, that all the Inclinations of the Divine
Will are to thee; that the Eye, and heart of God are turned toward
thee in every place, fixt upon thee with all that intention, and force
of Sweetness in the Divine Nature. For why?
He is drawn irresistibly to his own Seed, his own Son, his own self in
thee. Thou art his Off-spring."
This is a remarkable exposition and outstanding exposision . As always very excellent presentation. Thanks dr Sproul and I am happy that youre now in a solemn place
Interesting. Always benefit from RC's thoughtful and deliberate lectures. This subject raises more questions: If God's love has "borders" or "limits," when does He let someone go? What do we tell people in our counseling so that they don't slip into despair? We are back full circle to the classic question, can someone lose his salvation, then, if he continues in what God hates? I would like to hear more on the topic of God's hatred.
Christ died to save sinners and loves everyone ❤
@user-um5wn8ri7s/ DID YOU NOT LISTEN HE DOES HATE...
I love the Lord Jesus Christ with all my heart soul and Mind. Bless His holy name.
You may feel like you do but you don't at the times when you commit sin. Nobody loves God like that all of the time. Romans 7
Curt Benjamin not true
Don't be like Peter and boast of your "love!"
Love these teachings.
God's love is infinite, so God can truly love everyone the same if he wants to... INFINITELY!
Yah but we have to do our part. Its not God's responsibility. He doesnt owe us. :)
But it is not the case.
God does not love the reprobate.
If he WANTS to.....!?!?😂
God does love everyone the same. Yet because He is just He must judge the sinner. When He says He hates Esau and loves Jacob it doesnt not mean that He emotionally hates Esau, He's means He chooses Jacob to bring His promise through just as He chose Abraham and Issac. Paul isn't speaking about salvation in Romans 9, He speaking about how God is going to save both the Jews and the gentiles. He's saying that God chose a man Abraham, from Abraham he chose Isaac, from Isaac Jacob, from Jacob the nation and from that nation the Messiah.
God is not vindictive, He isn't in heaven walking around hating people as you think, that is absolutely ridiculous. The bible says God is love. He IS LOVE, He doesn't only have love. This is a misrepresentation of God, this message is evil.
God loves everyone equally “agape”
God does not love everyone equally “Phelio”
I've learnt something. Thank you LORD 😊
Please pray for me I need the intercession of Gods Children
About what?
They showed greater loyalty to You than to their parents, brothers, or children. They obeyed Your commands and were faithful to Your Covenant. Deuteronomy 33:9
I think God hates people and just loves a few of us
Romans 9/13 as it is written for Jacob have I love but easu have I hated and who are the nation of esau
And that my friend is the kind of attitude one ends up with after being stuck in Calvinism. I've been in this for 20 years now. And really troubled by the fact that I can't go up to someone and witness to them with any confidence that God actually loves them
PAUL WASHERS SERMON ON THE HATRED OF GOD IS AWESOME/ YO SHOULD WATCH IT..HES SO PASSIONATE ON THIS SCRIPTURE....
Shocking! How come the people of the WEST and EUROPE escaped these down-to-Earth sound teachings of Yeshua? 🤥
Heaven help those God hate. They will suffer
according to the bible he hate all nations outside of Israel
Those who like to provoke will be left wrecked
Nobody explains it as clearly than RC Sproul.
Amen! One of the giants of Christian exegesis of our era
I'm amazed at how much God hates me.
The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
The Bible tells us WHY God loves some and hates others .. it is not arbitrary love & hate
Please ask God to elect me
God's election happened before the foundation of the world.
That’s not how it works
As it is written, choose whom you will serve. God will choose those who choose Him as a general rule. Jesus said that Whosoever believes can be saved. Whosoever includes you.
Tatersalad19Cars...
...to give the right perspective to the transcendent/imminent manifestation of soteriological election, the very realization of your sentiment is precisely the effect that election has upon those for whom it is intended. This is so essential and even existential... it eviscerates the nonsense of "easy believism"-as well as disintegrates fatalism... because fatalism is the slipknot of those who are without that conviction.
Christ's hand of salvation is not simply there for the asking-so, "that's all you got to do... ”... but rather- it's all you CAN DO!" And until that earnest heart of desperation is the accompaniment of repentance... nothing else can be done... because anything else will not do. Attempted metaphysical conceptualization in space-time produces strategical doom... And any assertion that "happened before the foundation of the world" (though theologically correct) suffers the corollary dissonance of what is happening in the imminent (now).
Election re-incorporates the will *into* living what's coming right- at you! So it makes no sense to ask God to "elect" you because you can only ask (even beg) God to save you- now! And this is the exact opposite of fatalism. This is the necessity of credo baptism... In fact, it could be argued that pedobaptism is fatalistic because it never really _involved_ the individual... and as alluded to above- election *involves* the person!
*†* (With all love to our Presbyterian Bretheren!).
Soli Deo Gloria
Quit listening to calvinist teachings. Jesus loves you. Don't doubt his love for you anymore. Turn from your sins and live. I pray you find truth whoever you are and all those you represent who are so scared they may not be elect. I'm so sorry .
Well god the feeling is mutual, but it's not like you didn't know that already, right?
A very powerful sledgehammer will fall from heaven to Earth when it impacts Earth will tremble from the anger and fear of God
Amen beloved father hates the wicked just like in Noah's time
But where did it say i hate YOU? Amos 5 says "I hate your show and pretenses... sacrifices and your solemn assemblies" 7You twist justice, making it a bitter pill for the oppressed.
You treat the righteous like dirt.😢 God is so concerned for the poor who are treated unjustly in this passage. And yet he at least says mulitple times to these rebellious people COME BACK to the Lord and LIVE lest you be destroyed ...cant you still his heart cry? He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. He still loves them, they are his special people knit together by Him in their mothers wombs. Underlying every act of Gods wrath is still an intense love for all He created and a desire for them to turn from their evil ways and live. Its a sincere call too. Not one in which he says come with one hand and puts out the other saying stop there i was just joking. I may be wrong. Feel free to correct me
God loves all of us the same. It’s sin that He hates. Esau’s pride hardened his heart- causing him to reject his inheritance and lack faith in our unseen God. God stating His hatred for Esau was a clear reference to sin, and how it governed Esau’s heart. Esau didn’t seek our Father’s truth, but Jacob did. Esau’s father is the one of ‘lies.’ God loves truth and hates lies. “God loves Jacob and hates Esau.”
I think its a separation of us and those before God
If God sends men to hell because he does not "prefer" them, how can this be anything but hate?
Truly, God doesn't send people to hell, sadly people send themselves to hell when they choose to reject the gospel of Christ. Its like a person who is on a falling plane (going down) and they refuse to put on the parachute that has been made available to them, they need to put it on and jump to safety. Christ is that parachute in this life to save us from eternal death. Put on Christ by faith (believe and trust in Him) and find salvation in Him and Him alone. Blessings.
Yes. It is righteous hatred.
@@scarytime6420 actually you can and do prepare yourself for destruction with the rejection of the gospel
@@terryrambarran5917 nice analogy
@terryrambarran5917 If God elected his people before any creation started. Than aren't people going to hell against their own will? I mean some people will want to be saved, call on christ and yet be rejected because God created them to be hated.
So he saying God Chose Jacob and not chose Esau
The bible says it Roman's 9 /13 as it is written for Jacob I have love but easu I have hated as it is written means it was written in malachi 1/2/3 before Roman's
Ah, the part of the series where the impostor God of the Old Testament's "loving", "divine" wrath and place of "eternal punishment" gets mixed with the all-loving Heavenly Father who would never harm anyone.
He doesn’t harm. But He will allow suffering to produce in us what would not come otherwise. Call out to Him while there is still time. Jesus is coming soon ⏳ God bless ❤️
I LOVE THIS TEACHING... MORE GRACE SIR
Amen 🙂
Hated in Genesis concerning Esau means: despised abhor loathed no goodness towards
Malachi 1:1-3 KJV
[1] The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi. [2] I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord : yet I loved Jacob, [3] And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage
👉🏾waste for the 👉🏾dragons of the wilderness.
@Curt Christensen
Can you show any sort of Christian courtesy towards others?
Can you do that?
@@simba9735 Hi. I have a question for you. I want to get your perspective on the Gospel message itself.
Would you agree that before Jesus went to punishment and to the Cross in your place, he also lived a perfectly obedient, holy, righteous, sinless, substitutionary life, the life you should have lived, but you are unable to?
My answer would be 'yes', and that the reason he did so is why we are declared righteous in the sight of the Father and made acceptable to enter Heaven.
Not only was he punished for sins, wiping our personal slate clean, but his perfect life is transferred to the believer as well.
Would you agree with that?
@@simba9735
1. Yes, he was an example.
2. Yes, he is the way and shows us the way.
3. I'm saying even more than those two points, he is the substitute for the believer.
Just as much as he is the substitute for the believer being punished in their place on the cross, he lived the life Worthy to enter Heaven in their place.
Do you agree with that?
Romans 8:4, 1 Peter 3:18, Romans 4:4-5, 2ndCorinthians 5:21
@@simba9735 You're aware that Jesus took your place on the cross, correct? That means He is your Substitute. I have more to explain, however I want to make sure you & I are on the same page at least this much before I go on. Are we in agreement so far?
@@simba9735
In Christian theology, two of the most important doctrines are justification and sanctification.
They both pertain directly to the overall Doctrine of Salvation.
They are like two sides of the same coin.
On the one hand, justification happens in a believer's life one time, the moment God changes their heart from lost to saved, or spiritual birth, born again. You could look at this as a one-time experience in the Believers life.
This person is now "justified" (declared righteous) in the eyes of God.
Some great scriptures to look up regarding this would be John 1:12 and Colossians 1:13, Romans 4:4-5, but obviously, there are many many many scripture verses regarding Salvation.
On the other side of the coin is sanctification. Whereas justification is a one-time event, sanctification is a lifelong process. This is where we believers pick up our cross daily and follow Christ. To understand in a basic way, justification and sanctification both have what you might call negative and positive aspects, negative meaning subtract and positive meaning add.
The negative aspect of justification would be the subtraction of our sins because Christ was punished in our place. The positive aspect would be the addition of Christ's righteousness to the Believers personal account because Christ lived a perfect life in the Believers place.
The word "sanctification" means to be set apart for a holy purpose.
The negative aspect of sanctification is to be set apart from sin.
The positive aspect of sanctification is to be set apart to God.
This information is basic Christian theology found in most any Christian theology book on the subject of salvation and taught in Bible colleges and Christian seminaries. All Christians should share this with the world. It is the best news anybody could ever know and most importantly, Believe. Trust Christ!!!
I hope this helps you and you write it down somewhere and share it with others.
what about grace
This is a message which is sadly missing in the evangelical Church at large. Sproul is repeating the message of solid biblical thinkers like Johnathan Edwards (sovereign grace, sovereign judgement, and universal human evil). Was not “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” the most consequential sermon ever given in the English language? In the beginnings of the Great Awakening? That preceded the American Revolution? That created the greatest, most free nation state ever? But the Americans will surely lose their freedom unless they repent!
It's very interesting that Ligonier put out 11 videos about the love of God and the one on the hatred of God has thousands more views than the others. It's almost like we'd rather hear about God's hatred because we like to hate and feel justified when we see God doing it. From what I see most of ours flows not from a righteous indignation but from a self-righteous attitude towards others.
The video on God's Hatred has more views because God hating is a foreign concept to many Saints and so-called Saints alike. We all know God is Love and is loving. But hardly any realize that He has Divine Hatred
@@Lutheranjenkins "We all know God is Love and is loving" lol therein lies the problem. Scripture says the love of Christ surpasses understanding. You DON'T understand the love of God. The problem is you think you do. It's easy to believe in a hateful God. All the other religions have hateful gods, just look at the god of Islam. Love is the foreign concept, not hatred.
@@1689solas
I know I don't understand the love of God. When did I say I do? You people in these comment sections love being the hero.
Also... just saying here...
"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love."
1 John 4:7-8
BECAUSE GOD IS LOVE
Buddy, my knowledge of God is drawn from Scripture. Scripture declares God is Love. But His love is righteous. He has Divine Anger as well. Go learn about the God of Abraham instead of the God of Calvin.
@@Lutheranjenkins Yes. God's hatred is righteous.
That is because people instinctively know that this sermon is heresy.
You can't even compare the creatures to man the creatures have no hatred towards God the creatures have nothing to do with it that's why they be audi 5000 to other worlds away from humans
What God are ya'll talking about
Yaweh
Romans 9 refer to National election.
“LABAN” in Filipino language means *FIGHT*
In NYC they will be struck with a hateful force with the impact of a mack truck traveling at 130mph
I hope this isn't satire
Which translation is Dr. Sproul using?
New American Standard 1995 Edition
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I do agree that Salvation is by grace through faith. Both Arminian and Calvinist are too extreme and too problematic. Israel is elect, ofcourse, but is everybody in Israel saved? Ofcourse not!
Who hate is greater the children of men or Gods hate let's see God is one being against many men and women although you may see just a man you have got that very twisted. Those who come came and continue to provoke will be destroyed by a hatred that has been born out your own hatred.
The hatred of God towards man is pure nonsense.
Nice God we have that hates and plays favorites.
he's the most high do what he wants
@@donaldcoleman514 wouldn't that actually make him more of a cosmic tyrant than a loving God?
@@HELLH0WND No. Because we deserve to be punished. Are you perfect? No, you've broken God's law just like everyone else.
If God chooses to show mercy, then it's because He wants to show mercy. He doesn't have to show mercy, because if He did, then it wouldn't be mercy.
Jesus took the punishment for you, and rose from the grave. Turn from your sins and believe the gospel.
@HELLH0WND/ SADLY YOU MISSED THE WHOLE POINT....
the concept came from Wesley.
R.C. can literally place a solid Christian into depression. His 25 point Calvanist approach is a tough one to adopt but somehow you people do....yeah I know that it is 5 point but he takes it even farther than your typical hopeless Calvy.....I guess with election we just hope that faith in Christ comes with really good luck
God loves those who loves them and hates who hates him and his followers thats a fact but people are woundering about the damnd physiology ,see adamned is blocked by heaven according to intentions or behaviour they did or those from crossed the boundaries see in every truth to right path in life or to God path a damned will fine you an excuse to take you back to wrong track again while God matters are clear but a damned is blocked and even those who trying to see of God rage gathers them with bad influences that biggest job in their life is to keep them away from right track to God and thats exactly why God prevented to even sit and chat with those damneds for they are contiguous thats another reason why a believer shouldnt waist their energy and breath in trying to convince any of any truth , tell God's truth and make sure you do it the way it please God then full stop .God prevented things for good readons and i believe/totally agree about even these i cant see why of holly laws and blindly do , its God who guides i dont recall being anybody mama to advice my heart out them , lol i doubt if iam willing to do that to even a son if he stupid enought and didnt listened to me may be God selected him for hell .!!😁😀
Get out of the Christian church. Rev 18:4
Shame on you false teacher.....
This is a horrible teaching. For me always struggling with doubt of salvation. It just makes me think God hates me and doesn't want me. No matter how hard I try he has decided to reject me.
@mv3380 why do you feel He has rejected you?
This is careless exegesis of Romans 9. Paul is clearly speaking to Israelites only (v. 3-4, which he skipped)... And the reference to Jacob & Esau is speaking of two nations (Gen 25:23), not 2 people. This has nothing to do with Salvation... He's referring to the promise of the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob... The Lord Jesus Christ! (Gal 3:16)
Sorry you have ZERO understanding of Romans 9 the text states , that the purpose of God according to election might stand ( individuals) not groups of people . Sound like you’ve never read the text before . Or your just regurgitating what some preacher said that don’t know what He’s taking about . Arminianism is heresy . Please more studying and less commenting .
@@paul.etedder2439 You are the one regurgitating the false premise of election. Paul SAYS he is speaking of the Israelites in v. 3-4. And I agree... Arminianism is heresy. So is Calvinism...
@@thewadester You guys love throwing the "heresy" word around until it literally means nothing. Pray tell, considering that Arminianism and Calvinism are the *only two options* , how exactly can they both be heresy?
Romans 9 is 100% talking about individuals, NOT about nations. You have to understand that the Bible has these things called "chapters" added by modern people. They are not broken up into chapters in the actual text. Therefore what is in chapter 8 of Romans, which is clearly talking about the golden chain of redemption of the INDIVIDUAL, and the thought continues in Paul's letter to the Romans in what we call chapter 9. We must read the Bible properly in the way it was written. To read this passage as information about nations is incredibly incoherent and irresponsible foolishness. To believe the text is not talking about individual election is to display zero integrity in reading the Scriptures.
@@paul.etedder2439 I totally agree 100% of what you just wrote God uses Paul to explain salvation is gods choice how much more clear r can God give you it’s not the one who runs it’s not the one who wills God chose before they did anything good or evil and then they try to band twist in reading to scripture to get free will unbelievable Who all is talking about salvation not bringing forth a race having mercy is salvation And so many other Bible verses say the same thing you can’t come to me unless it’s been granted by my father that’s another choice
Did god create us out of love or out of hate
God created us because he wanted to create us.
“Our God is in the heavens; he does all that he pleases.”
Psalm 115:3 ESV
@@landonhouse9338 you are evading a proper reply
@@eagyinjection God created us for His glory.
@@eagyinjection “The Lord is good to all, and his mercy is over all that he has made.”
Psalm 145:9 ESV
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