Age of Empires 4 Winter Patch - MASSIVE Nerfs Incoming!

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  • Опубліковано 5 гру 2023
  • Age of Empires 4: The Sultans Ascend DLC
    Winter Patch Notes
    Balance changes for Byzantines, Japanese, Ayyubids, Jeanne d'Arc, Zhu Xi's Legacy, and more!
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  • @FitzBro
    @FitzBro  6 місяців тому +5

    Are the Byzantine changes a buff or a nerf to the civilization?

    • @Banksy_Collective
      @Banksy_Collective 6 місяців тому +2

      I think the triumph nerf isn't a big deal because most of the starting tickets go to waste when you pop it for 2 horsemen to kill a villager or 2; and the starting stone buff is actually pretty sizable because getting the second cistern out faster means you get the 10% buff faster, which helps you get the 3rd cistern out. Byzantines felt like they were just a little too slow to get rolling and the starting resources help that becuase of the compounding effect on their eco.

    • @johanlassen6448
      @johanlassen6448 6 місяців тому +5

      Its a nerf. They get 50 stone (so in effect a +5% resource gathering buff a little faster) but trade weaker catas (already cost-inefficient as shit), in effect weaker traders, lose the +30% damage buff to ranged units (granted now changed to intended effect), and made Triumph more of a one-off thing since it lasts shorter (45 seconds instead of 60 seconds on max).
      Its incredible how the devs look at Byzantine shit winrates and think nerfs are warranted, but I guess that's what you get when the Conq IV players are all shills. But I shouldn't be surprised when you can't even get 425-405 right away. What is it? 10? 15? 20? Who knows, right? Math is hard.

    • @YohGS
      @YohGS 6 місяців тому

      I agree with u, Triumph ability is not that useful for two feudal horsemen, and the economic buff probably has more potential.@@Banksy_Collective

    • @Ren_55.
      @Ren_55. 6 місяців тому +1

      @@johanlassen6448 30% damage buff to ranged units? what?

    • @nicolasflesler4467
      @nicolasflesler4467 6 місяців тому +1

      i've been playing them, granted i'm only plat/diamond, but as it is, it's very hard to hold off a samurai rush, and can only be done with triumph, and horseman, if you went winery, and get rushed, you're screwed, with this neft, i just dont think there's any counter play to heavy units in feudal, about the traders, yeah, its understandable they fixed the timings, you were abler to get quite a lot, super fast, but the olive oil you get from it, its not enought, taking in consideration how much oil units cost, without winery, that was the main way to get oil, and it got nerfed like 30%, so yeah.. i guess i'm swiching Civs for now

  • @enoikay1833
    @enoikay1833 6 місяців тому +8

    Going from every 3 minutes to every 2 minutes isn't an early game buff for Japaen because instead of getting 2 Yorishiro on completion, you only get 1. They are even 6 minutes later when you used to get 2 more after 6 minutes, now you get 3 more after 6 minutes but start with 1 less.

  • @hoarahloux9326
    @hoarahloux9326 6 місяців тому +21

    As an hre / ootd main , my disapointment is unmeasuereble and my day is ruind😢

    • @captainobvious8530
      @captainobvious8530 6 місяців тому +3

      Imagine Byzantine mains for a seccond

    • @amputechure
      @amputechure 6 місяців тому +2

      @@captainobvious8530 Byzantines still has a lot of strengths. OOTD feels bottom of the barrel and their response is "Here's 50 wood now stfu."

  • @niallyuxinxie3938
    @niallyuxinxie3938 6 місяців тому +6

    all i am thinking when i read these patch notes is "LOOK HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOY!!!!😭😭😭"

    • @IrishRepoMan
      @IrishRepoMan 6 місяців тому

      You come to me on the day I am to be diamond, and you patch up my civ, for balance.

  • @SirRobin88
    @SirRobin88 6 місяців тому +6

    Been mostly playing Ayyubids since release and I actually like the trade wing nerfs. It makes the villagers from the economic wing more viable. Bazaar just felt mandatory before (even if it was fun).

  • @tokyoknight6676
    @tokyoknight6676 6 місяців тому +5

    WTF they nerf the shit out of Japanese which have been pretty balanced but barely touch Joan D'arc ok cool.

  • @VonkOfficial
    @VonkOfficial 6 місяців тому +12

    I'm honestly shocked that they nerfed the Byzantines instead of buffing them and kept Jean D'Ark pretty much untouched.
    I love what Relic did with the game since launch but this is ridiculous.

    • @johanlassen6448
      @johanlassen6448 6 місяців тому

      It is perfectly logical to nerf Byzantines. They had managed to rise past 38% winrate (to 42%) in Conq IV. Unacceptably high win rate you see.
      #Logic.

    • @VonkOfficial
      @VonkOfficial 6 місяців тому +1

      @@johanlassen6448 😂

    • @TockMinecraft
      @TockMinecraft 6 місяців тому

      ​@@johanlassen6448if you think a game needs to be balanced around winrates you surely are wrong.

    • @johanlassen6448
      @johanlassen6448 6 місяців тому

      @@TockMinecraft Cope more. What else would you balance it around? Your idiotic opinion?

  • @leeh1395
    @leeh1395 6 місяців тому +7

    Do you feel that JD has gotten off super light here?

  • @xeroprotagonist
    @xeroprotagonist 6 місяців тому +4

    Springalds and culverins going down to 10 ranged armor is an important buff to OotD, now the Bodkin Bolts tech actually means something and you might be able to protect your siege units by sniping springalds with gilded crossbows, especially if they're on stone walls. Springalds would have to approach within gilded crossbow range to hit trebs placed more than 2 tiles behind a wall (or 4 with Roller Shutter Triggers).
    Other siege units still have way too much ranged armor though. Honestly it should be 0 across the board and go up to 10 with Siege Works for everything except rams and siege towers. And rams should be 20 at best, massed handcannons should be able to stop them easily.

  • @OSU2010
    @OSU2010 6 місяців тому +2

    Byzantines win rate 40 percent, after nerf the worst Civ now they will have a 30 percent win rate

  • @carpetgodd1235
    @carpetgodd1235 6 місяців тому +4

    I think while nerfing Japan they should’ve took into account where their ranged is already hampered they should’ve focused on balancing their military priority in general

    • @SCP--zj7xy
      @SCP--zj7xy 6 місяців тому

      Japanese archers gets the +1 attack back from bannermen, it’s not worse it’s just a different style.

    • @dlld6944
      @dlld6944 6 місяців тому +2

      It is worse

    • @carpetgodd1235
      @carpetgodd1235 6 місяців тому +1

      ⁠@@SCP--zj7xyit’s worse because you have to put way more in to make them effective which isn’t cost effective,them being naturally weaker means you can’t even defend with them unless you focus on getting the banner man and upgrades

  • @FatherRabbitt
    @FatherRabbitt 6 місяців тому +10

    I can’t believe they nerfed Byzantines. Absolutely ridiculous. Cataphracts were already too expensive for what you get, and triumph was kinda all we had 😢

    • @nathanmonk7128
      @nathanmonk7128 6 місяців тому +5

      I'm very mad. They needed a buff in the early game and now they got rekt.

    • @Spiror
      @Spiror 6 місяців тому +1

      Catas need at least same cost as palace guards heavy cavalry, they are very expensive specific for all upgrades and techs. At least the palace royal guard is imperial , you cant afford catas in castle lol

    • @nathanmonk7128
      @nathanmonk7128 6 місяців тому +2

      @@Spiror fr. I think the meta is gonna be now with the grand winery

    • @gokusenboy1
      @gokusenboy1 6 місяців тому +1

      @@nathanmonk7128 like, I laughed when I saw the nerf (specially on cataphracts). I think that the key now will be how you open the game as the bizantines, because 50 extra stone possibly changes a lot of things. But now with Hippodrome nerfs and their cavalry nerfed (lmao again) I don't what they were thinking. I will be paying attention to the next pro Bizantine matches and check how they use the extra stone, but 40% WR and still nerfed was a big and hilarious surprise for me

    • @nathanmonk7128
      @nathanmonk7128 6 місяців тому +2

      @@gokusenboy1 I mean it's gonna be like 25% win rate now.

  • @HeroicStumpy
    @HeroicStumpy 6 місяців тому

    They missed juicy's monks not being able to pick up relics sometimes

  • @dlld6944
    @dlld6944 6 місяців тому +1

    Japanese nerfs are ridicoulus, while JD remains untouched, just like france, which was always op but never nerfed

  • @bdbgh
    @bdbgh 6 місяців тому

    I mainly play with my friend against the hardest a.i, pretty sad that Triumph, trample and Cataphract got nerfed, it was a lot of fun rolling a bunch of Cataphracts causing chaos in the enemy's base.

  • @dustycrevice3496
    @dustycrevice3496 6 місяців тому +1

    That OotD M@R buff is pretty significant. They have a lot of HP..

    • @Marc-gj9vx
      @Marc-gj9vx 6 місяців тому

      Their crossbow get stealth buff also. Now that culverin and springald only have 10 armor. The crossbow with meinwork upgrade will be SO GOOD at killing springald.

    • @hawkster8951
      @hawkster8951 6 місяців тому

      ​@@Marc-gj9vxmate, ranged units are supposed to kill bio units, not siege units nor buildings. Yes, it can be considered when it's in emergency situation, but generally killing siege units by ranged units are still ineffective.

  • @Schnitzel2368
    @Schnitzel2368 6 місяців тому +2

    Don’t know. … nerf Byzantines? Wtf why. The nerfs for JD and Ayubi are good. But why again nerf trade?

  • @sauskar3308
    @sauskar3308 6 місяців тому

    i fee like the ayyubids will still be high A to S tier, and as a main i am happy that the devs didnt just prematurely and heavily nerf my civ as i feel like there is a lot of stuff still meant to be figured out, and i love the way they try to emphasize their differences, like the infantry support buff to push camels, and the sultan building speed. These devs are great

  • @StanHalen420
    @StanHalen420 6 місяців тому +1

    Unnecessary nerfs to Byz… Limiting the number of Yorishiro for Japanese is lame, we should be able to move them to different buildings in that case. Joan needs way more nerfs

  • @pharaohthutmosis7803
    @pharaohthutmosis7803 6 місяців тому +2

    40% win rate civ? better nerf

  • @brandonjordan4596
    @brandonjordan4596 6 місяців тому

    I am excited for the free camera mod but I really just want them to allow free camera in all reaplays!!!

  • @CrispyChristieMAC
    @CrispyChristieMAC 6 місяців тому

    The issue with Byz was that lower leveled players just couldnt handle healing units (yes 40% winrate, but it was a problem my brother for example hasnt played because of it). They needed to do these nerfs BUT they needed to balance the other direction. The other feudal landmark NEEDED to be improved dramatically. They also needed to improve their general castle age. Instead they gave 50 stone and smoked the ONLY good byz style. Wild changes. I like the byz nerf BUT IT HAD to be rebalnced with significant buffs.

  • @sforzz
    @sforzz 6 місяців тому +1

    BYZ +50 STONE WHAAAAAAAATTTTT

  • @somebody700
    @somebody700 6 місяців тому +2

    The Ayyubid nerfs to the Trade Wing - Bazar will make it pretty useless because getting villagers is primary reason people use it. Maybe if they ensured no more than 1 villager roll can happen per cycle it would be better. The age-up nerf is brutal, 2 minutes is a long time to age up. The imp infantry support upgrade will make their camel/infantry combo very deadly. The camel lancers are pretty great as it is, with the 3/3 extra armor they will be a big cracked, especially with Golden Age 5. I was hoping desert raiders get some buff but nah, they are still trash.
    The nerfs to the Imperial Guards of the Juicy are pretty good, that 35 attack was nuts, and now they will be pretty vulnerable to even archers so they are gonna be countered far easier.

  • @Sweatybaseballs
    @Sweatybaseballs 6 місяців тому

    Any word on ranked teams coming to Xbox. No point in playing quick match over and over with friends.

  • @romegypt5675
    @romegypt5675 6 місяців тому +2

    Ah yes. Nerf the civs doing poorly. A grand strategy. WTF guys, no HRE buffs, order of the dragon buff is pretty worthless... Byzantine NERFS???? Yet the only civ to truly get nerfed is ayyubid... what the hell are they smoking?

  • @nationarmy2514
    @nationarmy2514 6 місяців тому

    i played some byz today.. feels so shit xD I think now the only viable play is 2nd TC, mass units get ahead.. get cisterns to extend that lead(also dont even bother w mercenaries.. only make some from neutral trade)

  • @thatlankyguy1678
    @thatlankyguy1678 6 місяців тому

    Disclaimer: I am only Diamond 1 atm.
    However, I dont think the byz changes look that bad. Been playing only byz going winery every game and the extra stone looks HUGE to me. I personally think byz is pretty strong but insanely hard. The winery seems underrated to me, as it actually scales pretty well up to imp and is noticeable when going NOBs.
    I do have 1 suggestion... Placing the berries behind the base as a default would be helpful and I dont think it would be that problematic regarding balance.

  • @DaLoler1
    @DaLoler1 6 місяців тому

    The trade wing should have kept the vilagers but only from castle or imperial

    • @ChessJourneyman
      @ChessJourneyman 6 місяців тому

      Don't need it by then...just make it one vill roll early game, maybe get 2vills from it and bump the eco to 4vills.

  • @redviper324
    @redviper324 6 місяців тому +3

    Byz is not a nerf, the stone will allow them to be way better at the start. This is the most important thing

    • @gokusenboy1
      @gokusenboy1 6 місяців тому

      Yes it is a nerf, you can't deny it. But the main thing will be how much the Bizantines can do with the 50 extra stone, I will be watching how the pros open the Bizantine game closely, but the nerf on cataphracts was just insane and too funny for me xD. But let's see how things goes, 50 extra stone is a big change

    • @redviper324
      @redviper324 6 місяців тому

      @@gokusenboy1 It’s a nerf for the late game sure but now they have more chances to reach the late game

  • @comree11
    @comree11 6 місяців тому +3

    The bias is real lol. Streamers love when devs “do what they wanted” to change

  • @uttaranbiswas7038
    @uttaranbiswas7038 6 місяців тому

    ootd needs faster vill production, the rest of it is meh

  • @Dryfter21
    @Dryfter21 6 місяців тому

    I can't believe they left Joan untouched. The Dev's sure love the French. They've been very strong for many patches. Joan's only going to get worse until a few patches when she's finally properly nerfed. Very disapointing.

  • @t3ngrist620
    @t3ngrist620 4 місяці тому

    still no changes for mongols. i want them to make mangudai more useful in castle-imp ages. like, making it less usable against unarmored and more beneficial against armored units like man at arms and knights. in general mongol units are very weak and thin like a paper, dies easily and low damage, no any bonus except khan's arrow which is completely dogshit compared to other civs. but lazy devs just want to keep it useless entirely...btw castle-imp age mangudai design sucks too , it has nothing mongolic but looks like tibetan or manchu archers ( i mean the head part with that stupid hat)

  • @ceppatore7483
    @ceppatore7483 6 місяців тому

    +5% to cistern bonus for byzantines war better......patch nerfed all new civs but it's quite cheap.....no trample for elephants....no teutonic knights.....no templars.....super units ready waiting in freezer idk

  • @johanlassen6448
    @johanlassen6448 6 місяців тому +8

    So Byzantines, the weakest faction in game right now, receive further nerfs. Great.

    • @nicolasflesler4467
      @nicolasflesler4467 6 місяців тому +2

      and Jeanne got left untouched mostly, a bit less xp from boar, and champions have 1 less armor, but that broken unit can still kill units inside buildings with the AoE and that's ok aparently

  • @EllamWideblade
    @EllamWideblade 6 місяців тому

    Japanese weren't hit hard enough. Drongo had a casted game where the Japanese player was in Feudal going head-to-head against imperial.

    • @VonkOfficial
      @VonkOfficial 6 місяців тому

      The Japanese were too strong, but I think this nerf is perfect. It doesn't make them completely suck but changed the things in which they were OP

    • @Tarkovclips-mw7ur
      @Tarkovclips-mw7ur 6 місяців тому +2

      to strong? japanese have a 51% winrate. de arc has a 58%

    • @Tarkovclips-mw7ur
      @Tarkovclips-mw7ur 6 місяців тому +3

      the video was about japanese being almost in imperial and the other right behind in castle. he got castle sooner so in the end it was castle vs imperial. i dont know if u checked the match but if you go imp fast you lose on units and thats what u saw happening. japan had more units so could go up against the castle player. He was NOT imperial upgraded so get ur bs out of here

  • @abdullahelwan405
    @abdullahelwan405 6 місяців тому

    seriously no English's longbow range decrease????

    • @Jimboquacks
      @Jimboquacks 6 місяців тому +5

      I am assuming that’s a joke. Their range is the point of the unit. They are using longbows.