Why I quit my data science master... is it worth it?
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- what will I study instead? is a data science master needed? do I regret it? does it help you find a job?
In this video I will tell you my experience studying data science as a master (after finishing a bachelor in data science), how I quit a job, got an internship, then got my dream job, quit my master, and what I want to do next.
00:00 Intro,
01:00 Finding my master
01:45 Finances and part-time study
02:30 Microsoft offer
03:30 Master description
04:50 Two jobs? | student assistant
06:10 Quarter life crisis & quitting
07:30 Is a master necessary?
08:30 The future of the data scientist role
09:10 Life inspiration montage
09:55 Conclusion
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Thanks for sharing. Better than expected based on the title. The bottom line: a master’s in DS doesn’t add too much if you have a bachelor’s in DS. This is actually the case with almost all business subjects (MSc in Marketing doesn’t add too much to BSc in Marketing). Which also suggests that (1) if you have a bachelor’s in DS, you should go e.g. with a master’s in statistics or CS (2) master’s in DS is useful for people coming from other numerate fields. Congrats for your Microsoft job!
Agreed... basically what differs is the level of assessment
Thanks for sharing too because I was scared because I applied for my masters in ds but I'm just transitioning to the field of CS
Was going to comment the same.
Thanks for that analysis. New to the field, have a bachelors of science in healthcare and looking to go into data science.
Oh my god, i just want to say thank you! In September i am starting my data science & ML masters, because i received grant from erasmus... i was SO scared, coz my bachelor degree is kinda super easy for my taste and does not go in depth about data science at all. I am relieved to hear that masters mostly repeats basics, and i hope my university will follow the scheme.
Thank you! Now, i feel better :)
Hello Darlene, i am interested in following your path. I would be super happy if you could guide me through. I want to pursue a masters degree in f
Data science and my dream is to win Erasmus scholarship.
Please send me your linkedin id so that i can contact you.
Thank you.
Thanks Iulia for sharing, it was insightful and would love to see more of such experiences of yours.
Glad to hear it, definitely more coming!
Thanks so much for your honest video! The last thing you said about not being a failure really helped me come to terms with quitting myself 😭😭😭
You are so welcome! Really glad it helps!
I feel less alone now that I have heard your story! I'm currently 6 months away from finishing my masters in data analytics and I'm so bored! It's very introductory and since my bachelors focused on quantitative decision making and analysis, I am learning very little new material. I keep wanting to quit, but I push on. We have to take FIVE classes at a time and have no choice in what courses we take. So, despite knowing most of the material already, I am swamped with busy work. Thank you for sharing your story! I'd love to share mine, too, but I feel too shy about it!
Thank you for your message, I'm glad this was helpful but sorry to hear you have the same frustrations in your study. Unfortunately these days having a diploma (even if it's as useless to do the study as you describe) can still hold a lot of weight so we have to kind of "suffer through it". I was lucky that Microsoft doesn't have strict requirements about degrees and such, which is the case with more of the bigger tech companies I think. Hopefully they inspire more traditional employers as well to switch to a more modern screening when they can assess your skills and personality and drive more than the name of the university you went to.
Thanks for being so honest!
Of course, thank you! Glad to share my thoughts
Yesss need all you know out on youtube
This is actually helpful!
glad to hear it! subscribe for more videos, uploading a new one on Wednesday ;)
Very good decision, and I'm happy to see you again. I have a bsc in Engineering, spent 2 years studying ds at Udacity and I did a post graduation in finance.You really don't need a masters to be a data scientist,I know data scientists that don't even have a bsc in a stem field.
All the best in your job!
thank you! awesome journey as well!
Nice story. I'll continue my way. Thanks.
Thanks! Best of luck
I'm taking my Bsc in Data Science too (I'm in Portugal)!!! Thanks for this content, it will be useful for me when choosing a master!
Awesome! Good luck with your study?
Wow that's super amazing to hear❤️ I have been seeing your journey from the beginning
But in my case I need a master from a good university at least to get an internship somewhere I am currently studying in a tier 3 college noone heard off. I am not even able to get in an internship interview for data scientist intern . I changed my daily schedule from yesterday Daily spending 1 hour python programming
1hour problem solving
1hour Coursera
1hour kaggle
30min searching about universities
30 Min about projects
I don't know for how many days I could do the this but I did the same for yesterday and today learned a lot in 2 days
@@nelsonjoseph3673 woahh I like you're doing something about your situation, keep up with that positivity tho!!
That sounds like a lot of studying, really impressive! I think a lot of it can also be stuff like branding and growing your network - make sure the right people find you and see you are passionate about the subject. Then with your program I'm sure you'll do great in your interview once you get it! best of luck
Thanks for sharing your experience! Could you share with us your preparation strategy for internship at Microsoft please!
We go to school to get knowledge and most importantly, a job. Don't ever see yourself as a failure because you exmatriculated. I had my first internship interview at Microsoft. Hoping I get selected for the next round and get the internship.
Hope to see you succeed
Bold move. Keep us updated. All the best.😀
It’s been a year since I quit actually. Still don’t regret it!
One of the best videos on Data Science!! Wish me luck applying for University at the end of this year ;)
For bachelors or masters?
Great video. Looking forward to more!
Thank you!
@@IuliaFeroli Are you planning to make a video about your thesis project? I am doing a similar start to finish project involving NLP and am so overwhelmed, so I would love to hear how you got started.
That’s a good idea! What sort of questions do you have?
@@IuliaFeroli Oh, I am just interested in your work pipeline, some of the techniques involved, and the likes.
I am going to subscribe your channel this is awesome.
Congrats and good luck for ur future endeavours ❤️
Subscribed 👍
Thank you so much 🙂
I think the point of a master isnt really to learn things, but as a stepping stone to PHD/Industry, by opening doors to Research Lab/Internship. The core conflict is just the misunderstanding: "I got my bachelor and naturally I want a master." But that's not quite how it work. Most ppl dont get a bachelor. Instead they apply for phd/industry jobs right away. And the point of the master is just to prepare more for them. In the end, she ended up where everyone with a master will end up - a job. Why not just quit then? Ultimately no one will care if your CV say you are a master or a bachelor after getting experience and being a bit more senior.
About learning - that can happen anytime anywhere. We have the internet, and the courses are online. In university you have tons of time for assignment and you can skip lecture, and choose the class you want - it is very flexible and force you to learn to manage yourself. When you get your bachelor you should have enough self management skill to not need class anymore.
#nice and congratulat for your job 🤟
thank you!
Thanks iulia for the video, please can you talk about how we can apply to an internship in a great company as microsoft and how we can get the interview (Questions,language...) and thanks a lot.
Great video!!!!! You are not a failure.
You got a job at MICROSOFTTTTTTT🥳..Congratulations
Thank you!! 😁
congratulationssss! thanks so much for sharing your experience which is super cool. senior Bachelor in Data Science in Amsterdam here. I'm thinking about applying to that Master programme at UvA, but now that Im doing internship I also realised that I learnt much more from actual work experience. wondering if the lectures are all recorded, so that I can do internship along with study?
Congrats on the bachelor/internship, and happy you liked the video! They did record most lectures when I did the master so you can watch them on your own time indeed. They also have an AI Master that might be a lot more interesting content after a bachelor on that topic. Good luck!
@@IuliaFeroli thanks! looking forward to seeing more vids from you!
What do you think about UvA in general? Can you find a job elsewhere other than Netherlands once you graduate from there? I got in to Masters in medical informatics but I don't know if it's a good idea to go. I can't decide. I want to come back to Canada to work .
Hi lulia,
I got the admission in the course.So I have few questions.
Is the master's in DS in uVA is not that good? After the degree is it helps to get the job ? And how is internship affected in covid times ?
I'm subscribing because I've just quit my MA in Translation studies :)
Well, you are still super young. If you want, you can resume your master's degree in the future or enroll in another one...
I'm actually thinking of doing a masters in data analytics/science but I did my bachelors in business, with no knowledge of data science. So I guess your masters was more geared towards people in my position. Sucks to hear it wasn't great from your point of view, but it makes me feel better about going into a masters though haha
That's great! And exactly what I tried to explain, I think it's a great master for people in your position and it's awesome that you can get into data science from different backgrounds. Your business degree will come in super handy, I'm actually considering studying something like that at some point just to help me better understand my customers :) Best of luck!
I am planning same
Hello, Lulia. How much did you apply the math that you learned to your job? Currrently, I am studying linear algebra and multivariable calculus. I love learning them. But I am wondering would I even use them on the job? There are topics that I do not fully understand what the use of them on the job like linearisation using power series (Maclaurin and Taylor series). I am asking this question to have a feel whether it is worth it to spend time on these topics. Thanks.
I think it depends on the job, if you're working at a company where data scientists make their own models more than importing from libraries and you really have to speed up or optimize at even the smallest levels then understanding the math would be really important. Could also be that you do more high level work then just getting the main principles or intuition is fine
Consider a statistics masters (or even just take a few classes) or computer engineering depending on what direction you want to go.
thanks you are my inspiring star
Thank you!
Congrats, I think what got you the job is how you think and express yourself. Not your degree. However, it is worth clarifying what position you were offered at Microsoft. A MSc might be relevant for another position. For instance a Statitian with a M.Sc in Computer Science or DS is worth a lot more than an individual with a BS only.
Nice video! What’s the reason for choosing the “Information Studies: Data Science track” and not the “Artificial Intelligence” masters.
The later is a really good fit after the DS Bachelor’s degree.
They didn't offer that one part-time unfortunately, but I think it would've been a good option to get more technical for sure!
You are motivating me to follow my dreams in data science. I was wondering do you speak (or actually need) Dutch to work in Netherlands? Lots of love!
I'm so happy to hear that! Good luck with it! I still don't speak dutch after 5 years here, I don't think it's needed if you work in an international company and most people speak english in stores/restaurants, etc as well. I think it can help, to make better conversation with dutch people or if you work in a smaller local company maybe?
@@IuliaFeroli Thank you so much for answering. Wishing you the best in your beautiful journey!
What were your project during studies and which will you will like to recommend us
Hi Lulia! Thx for this great video! I was wondering how you got to get noticed by Microsoft on LinkedIn? Is it your portfolio? Are you particularly active on LinkedIn? Do you have tons of relevant connections in the field? All of the above :P ?
Hi! I did use to post quite a bit either from stuff I was doing myself in the filed (like going to events, or articles I wrote) and I tried to work on my network but not sure that made a big difference to be honest. A lot of my fellow interns didn't post much (or at all) and none of us were connected with the recruiters in advance - so I think they just filter on the type of education / location they are looking for (this is my assumption). Maybe make sure you have key words for your background and courses in your description to make yourself easier to find, would be a good start!
Happy for you that you got into Microsoft while doing masters in DS
thank you!
You will not believe hw much motivation you gave me
You got this!
Eventually, you have to continue your study. You can do that part-time. If I were in your position, I will do part-time while working. Then later take my PHD within a couple of years after I graduated my Masters is DS.
May I know what PhD programme you pursue after MSc in Data Science? Thanks
@@nurnadiakhairulanuar9736 If all goes well. I will attempt IDS in Singapore. If accepted, that depends on what the IDS will advise me to research on. This is more of an academe and brain heavy roles. For now, let see how I will go with my masters program.
Amazing
Thanks!
Hey...i have done masters in mathematics...will it be easy for me to go through this course ? will i have to put strenous efforts to pass it ??
Hey there, thanks a lot for sharing your experience at UvA. I'm actually considering applying to the same MSc you were attending. Would you say it's valuable for a person willing to switch careers? I have some 3 to 4 yrs of work experience as a project manager in construction engineering. I'm just afraid that the courses would be way too basic.
Do you see any value in taking the master's coming from a different, non-CS-related, STEM field?
Thanks a ton !
Hi! I definitely recommend it for your background! Don’t get me wrong it wasn’t basic courses, it’s just that I had the same material already. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t hard material both times. If you want to switch into data science it’s a great study :) best of luck!
I want to start a career in data science. I need your advice though a have a degree in management field
I learned more about data science with certifications and courses. The bachelors was very theory based.
hello mam, I am an CS student who is planning to pursue my master's in data science Is it going to be difficult mam?
Hi dear, i have a degree in transport management technology in my home country but i want to study data science abroad. What would be your advice for me.
Hi! I was thinking about applying for AI master at uva. I know this isn't ur program, but do you know what AI program is like? Im now worried that it would be not as advanced as I expected :(
I think the AI program is definitely more hardcore! I tutored some of the bachelor courses for the AI program (so people who would be going into the master afterwards) and it was definitely a good foundation for some real technical things. Good luck!
@@IuliaFeroli thank u so much 😄
Hi lulia, I am looking for data science master program in abroad universities, could you help me to prepare my SOP or motivational letter which is most important part to get admission, how could I explain myself in SOP regarding data science. I think you have marvelous knowledge about data science. If you want to help me, I will be very thanks full for you sincere help. I would wait for your reply.
Can you help me lulia , I'm an art stream student it would be right to take admission in master in applied data science ?
Is data science or business analytics very hard to study does it takes lot of hard work to pass
Hey, lulia feroli please suggest courses regarding data science
Is there any University in Netherlands for Bechlor in BSc
Why did you need a second job while interning at Microsoft? Microsoft interns pull in the $9,000 a month range here. And do you think that no you do not need an MS to have a job at Microsoft but will you need it to advance your career at Microsoft? Just like at a lot of jobs where having a bachelor’s degree will get you a job but having an MBA will propel your career at that company?
I think that is in the US.Europe is quite lower
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Hey lulia, I have applied for Masters in Data science in UK, should I also look for Amsterdam? How are the job opportunities there.. Is it better than UK?
I haven't look for a job in the UK so I can't compare, but I think there are quite some opportunities for data science in Amsterdam. You can do a search on Linkedin to see what jobs are available / what profile they're looking for.
@@IuliaFeroli Alright, thanks a lot for replying quickly!
Why she did not check the corrulicum of the master program. Then she would see that the topics are similiar to her bachelor
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What kind of questions were being asked by Microsoft? Was MS asked about Data structure related questions in your interview?
Non-Hard Science Master's are mostly a joke (Hard Science: Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry and Biology). Still find it bizarre that there is a BSc in Data Science. Data "Science" is a catalyst for research and insight which can be learnt in a commercial environment or even through a Bootcamp. Master degrees have become a psuedo science conversion course which allow people who don't have sufficient background knowledge (This waters down the course and people pick the path of least resistance in terms of modules) as a way to feed into the notion of the supply and demand problem of the commercial sector but really it's a cash grab by the academic institutions. Master Degrees should be a way of further researching a problem of interest that you've found in the industry. Please don't fall into this trap. I've seen many people who've done social sciences and business based bachelors struggle to find a place in industry as they've been sold a dream that they will get 6 figure job but that is far from the truth.
Iulia made a smart decision by walking away from her master degree. Experience is very highly valued, she should only pursue a masters if she finds a certain topic in industry very interesting.
If you are interested in getting a data scientist job then this my recommendation:
If you are picking bachelors please pick a hard science, computer science or engineering (most mathematics and programming focused the better). Try to get a job at a fast-paced start-up, you will learn more.
If you have done a bachelors which don't belong to this set then I recommend doing a Bootcamp for coding and ML and becoming a Data Analyst. This way you will know whether you like it and it is suited for you. Then do a masters which is focused around ML.
Masters is NO LONGER REQUIRED as industry normalises. Pursue your passions but in a smart way, DO NOT follow the BUZZWORD.
Could you explain me the differences between a data scientist and a data engineer, please?
@@angiegranda6047 With large companies these roles are distinct, Data Scientists focus on model building, training and selection whereas data engineers are really dealing with information architecture e.g cloud platform and model deployment, they are might also do feature engineering, data preprocessing and data cleaning. If you work for a small company then a "data scientist" would take on both responsibilities. Companies need data engineers more than they need data scientists but they will advertise it as data scientist so you will apply for their role. I can't guarantee that you will get to do these things as some "data scientists" might only create dashboards. The more open-minded you are the better you'll fit into a commercial environment, you've got to stop thinking that you are a data scientist or data engineer instead consider yourself a DATA PROFESSIONAL. I hope that you find the role that suits you.
@@adityakarri1997 Thank you so much, and actually I'm going to prepare myself in both roles so... Agree with your opinion 😊
I also explain the different roles in this video :) ua-cam.com/video/3Vc_sMTEz8U/v-deo.html
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Hie Lulia is Netherlands market good for data science opportunity ?
I think it's pretty in demand, especially around Amsterdam. You can check on LinkedIn what sort of positions they are and if it sounds good to you!
@@IuliaFeroli are foriegners are getting visa ?
Data science need how much programming ???
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Do your university provided on campus internships/placement? Or LinkedIn only helped you to get one?
Most universities in the Netherlands do not have a campus (just buildings where classes happen across the city), but may have some student housing for international students (had this in Amsterdam but not in Maastricht). They may also have their own internship program - the 4 year universities have a lot more practical opportunities and for the 3 year programs they usually help you find an internship during your thesis project.
@@IuliaFeroli If I look for masters course in Data science there then which university is at top in helping with placement? I have completed my undergraduate in Statistics from Delhi University
Why did you start with "And that's my story" before telling your story?
Do you think a masters degree is worth it when you have a bachelors in engineering and can self study the data science material?
I think in a degree you will really explore the math and reasoning behind the models and build the intuition that helps you understand them better and know how to pick them later on, not just getting an overview of what models are out there. Then again you can also study the math yourself and watch some online lectures or courses so if you're up for diving into it I think it's also possible to self study :) good luck!
@@IuliaFeroli Thanks so much for the response!
When
is low gpa impact on working as data science ....
Do you have any idea about jobs in france for data science.?
Not sure actually, but you can usually look it up on LinkedIn and see if the descriptions sound like what you're looking for. Best of luck!
what is your linkedin profile ? can u post it here ?
if you haven't completed your master then you shouldn't list it as education in your Linkedin
How many years you take to complete bachelor's in data science ???
My degree was 3 years for the bachelor but there are also 4 year bachelor degrees in the Netherlands with more internships during the program. Masters can be 1 year or 2 for research based masters
@@IuliaFeroli thank you lulia...i am from india . i am going to learn data science... In india there are pg programs of data science of 6-8 months.
So you graduated with a bachelors in the same subject and you were working in the field you wanted to. Why was a masters even considered? I Would only think its useful for those wanting to get into the field, no offense. Masters in many cases are made to allow people from other backgrounds (other STEM fields, sometimes even non technical fields).
Why do you think Microsoft does not care if you have a Batchelor or not - because it is in their interest to do so now. If you would not fit their interests further down the line they would as easily let you go. It is sad the Master did not benefit you academically, maybe other programs would have. I am not saying that you made a wrong choice - you know better. However, I would not write off further academic education you are a smart girl and age is on your side.
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Haha welcome! Hope you enjoyed it :)
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Having less population is sucha. Blessing loads of opportunities less competition you can have peaceful life big house , Idk when my country India will learn
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i think. you are not interested in data science. so what is your future planning after the end of the job? and I am also jobless and searching for a different job ..
but today's time everyone wants a media site because it provides facility and respect for all things...
I still work mainly with data science departments and azure machine learning services, just from an architecture perspective so I have a broader outlook on the process :) good luck with the job search!
@@IuliaFeroli thanks for your reply..
Do you have any suggestions for online work because in my area affect by covid-19..
I hope you give me better advice
Waiting your reply..
You should get a proper mic.
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Why continue? ... Because you paid for it, maybe? Especially, because based on what you have said you have found the masters course easy, so completing it should be effortless? Having that said, well done for getting into Microsoft and good luck finding a program that you find challenging and enjoyable.
thank you! I've really thought about "getting back the investment" out of the degree but in the end postponing work for another year to finish (and also the opportunities maybe not being there a year later at all) was a way bigger loss than the tuition fee.
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