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It's actually a really easy problem to solve, the issue is that the culture of the USA means no one is willing to try or compromise.
Also gotta love an American saying "I love how people try to tell another country what they should be doing while not having the underlying problems that that country has" - Meanwhile the US government is _constantly_ inserting themselves into EVERY OTHER COUNTRY's business and acting like they know best.
I've always said the US can be summed up entirely into "fuck you I do what I want" 🤭
Very succinctly put!!
Its also very difficult to ignore US events when it pops up in news channels, especially in Australia. We speak up on it cause we have to listen to it on our own news channels and are disgusted by this culture of the US related to the lack of gun control.
I think the biggest misunderstanding Americans have on Australian gun laws is they think we are not allowed to have guns. Any Australian citizen who hasnt been convicted of a serious and/or violent crime can get a gun if they want to. There is nothing to say you can't, you have to register your details, get a licence ( dependant on location) and wait 28 days to pick up your gun 🤷♀️ you have to go through more shit to get a driver's licence 🙄 it's just most Aussies don't feel the need to have firearms for "protection" so why bother?
You have to have a reason to need one and self protection is not regarded as a one of those reasons. You can’t just get one because you like the idea of having one.
It’s a bit annoying when the Americans pay us out for the hand back eh …
That's very similar to the UK; we can own guns, but the majority just think _(as you say)_ 'why bother'? Even the majority of British police are unarmed _(except for some having tasers and/or PAVA spray*)_ and those specialist 'firearms units', within the various county police forces, go through rigorous and regular training. 🤔
*Even PAVA _(commonly referred to as 'pepper spray')_ is banned and illegal to carry in the UK by the public!
Agreed. My neighbour goes shooting feral rabbits with his family without the need for semi or fully automatic guns. I have no great interest in guns. Most Australians were shocked by the Port Arthur mass shooting and voluntarily handed in guns as requested in the buyback.
@@miniveedub Or just join a Gun Club. You don't need to be Rural or in Pest Control to obtain one.
In the US a mass shooting as defined by the FBI is an event in which one or more individuals are “actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area". Again in the US, a “mass killing” is 3 or more killings in a single incident. In Australia a mass shooting is 4 or more casualties, not necessarily deaths. Personally, I'm so grateful Australia brought in gun laws, we are safer for it.
i love the way it’s affected our mindsets towards them we all just agree we don’t need them but if we want them for rural properties or gun clubs we are happy to except we don’t need high fire rate weapons i greatly appreciate it. just wish we did something about filtering out certain media which is perpetuating the youth violence
Then you are a fool, as there is no proof that the gun laws have made anyone safer, Criminals Do Not care about laws and so will own and use guns regardless of any laws, so how does depriving law abiding citizens of firearms make anyone safe.
@@Bruski68. wasn’t asking for your opinion which may i add is more a narrative then your own opinion. there are criminals all over the world the gun problem is only really in america and it’s cause your all so divided and full of fear
@@Bruski68.please explain why there there are less gun crimes and particularly less multiple gun deaths by shooters in the majority of countries outside of America?
Also please note, i have a valid shooters licence.
So I am hardly biased.
Is there a reason why you refuse to acknowledge this is a real,issue in America
Actually false. The US defines a mass shooting as 3 or more people shot. Deaths AND injuries count. Keep in mind that the vast majority of mass shootings are gang related. These are counted in the numbers. Also if you look deep into the data. The vast majority of those shootings are barely making the "defining" criteria. Anything over 10 deaths is EXTREMELY rare.
Australia has a different culture, we don't have the right to bear arms and it seems that in the US the right to bear arms is more important than the right to life.
Australia does not have any rights, they only have privileges that can be stripped away at any time by act of parliament.
@@Bruski68.technically it’s the same everywhere in the world that has government or leaders which is why law protects citizen rights here, and government are not above the law unless it’s becoming an anarchy.
nah that’s one of americas other problem pro life choosing unborn children over the safety or choice of the mother.
@@Bruski68. you must have no life replying to all this comments. continue pushing the reasons americans are losing respect from the rest of the west.
@@Bruski68. Mate, if you think you actually have rights in the USA I've got news for you. Go watch George Carlin's stand up on Rights.
As an Aussie I don’t know anyone who owns a gun. It never crosses my mind that someone in my neighbourhood, suburb or city might be carrying one. I feel extremely safe
Same.
Same. This is probably why our police are not as trigger happy as they are in the US as they are less likely to encounter someone who is armed with a gun.
You won't feel safe if you check out the daily mail and see how many violent home invasions and ma che te attacks are going on in Australia now.
@@mddawson1it's definitely why. I used to work with different Australian police jurisdictions on national guidelines. They've said exactly this.
Same here. Aussie Aussie Aussie?
Australians respect every life, human and animal, and demand our personal freedom of safety wherever we are! We grieve every loss as if they were related to us, and help the victims as much as possible! Everyone has the right to live in peace - here! 👍🇦🇺😢
Emus: *_iNtEReSTiNG!_*
@@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072 I want everybody who is reading this to look up The Great Emu War. It's the funniest thing that ever happened here
Why I ❤ Aus
Mans monis respected every life... what about those who are stabbed, are their life's respected. The thing is people will find a way to kill another If they are intent on doing so, preventing them from using a gun just introduces other methods being used.
@@joelhungerford8388 Prevention is always preferable, but some people do strange things in anger or stress, knives are more personal! Unfortunately justice currently does not provide healing for the ongoing emotional pain of any witnesses! But, you cannot destroy the health and lives of multiple victims and their families in 5 minutes without a gun here!
If you want to talk about freedom and rights, how about the freedom and the right to go about your day and take your kids to school, with fear of gun violence or even the thought of it crossing your mind?
oooohh, they're a bit quiet on this one aye?
I understand that Canada has a similar level of gun ownership as Americans, but that the media is very different. The Michael Moore documentary that compares the two countries is fascinating and highlights how much more fear is generated in the US, and how it affects people. The biggest difference between 🇺🇸 and 🇦🇺gun control is the waiting period, and the banning of automatic and semi automatic weapons. If we get rid of Murdoch and his mates then the whole world will be a better place imo
It's what Albo should've done the moment he became PM - Ban all Murdoch media. It's a bloody cancer of hate that intentionally creates division and destroys democracy.
In Switzerland everyone does national service and keeps their service rifle at home. The mvrder rate is low but the svicide rate is above average. Culture?
And the ethnic breakdown of each country?
@@None-y2f you tell me, then explain why it’s relevant
Australia's attitudes to important aspects of guns is very straightforward. We value the life of every Australian over some ridiculous, non specifc and, dare I say, very outdated amendment to the constitution.
Outdated yet 2 wars are currently in the mist by tyrannical governments with citizens being attacked. If you support Ukraine or Israel, even Gaza you are a hypocrite. It's also not like governments have killed over 100,000,000 people in the last 100 years alone.
Ah, the ignorance of middle class youth.
@@None-y2f Ah, the arrogance of those who make false assumptions about the age and background when someone makes a comment.
Australia also has an illegal gun amnesty, whereby they can hand in guns that are not registered. These guns are destroyed. I think that happens every year.
In Tas it has not ceased since...
I handed a couple of rifles back a few years ago. I rang up the local cop shop to tell them I was coming and the cop laughed and told me to make sure I wrapped them up in a blanket or something.
When it comes to this issue in the USA all i hear are excuses to why it won't work and no solutions. Ignorance is bliss.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Always an excuse, in every situation and scenario.
My wife is South African and our son is dark skinned. When he goes to America my wife lectures him constantly, but it isn’t about normal citizens with guns, it is the police that she is afraid of. Constantly telling him not to be a smart-Alec, don’t move your hands, don’t put your hands in your pocket , no sudden moves. Tell them you are Australian, have your Australian driver’s licence or passport. It is always stressful for her and she is always glad when he is on the plane heading home. In all honesty Americans grow up with guns and are probably safer than people who don’t firearms experience. Americans seem to panic first and ask questions later.
I just love that the ‘American’ view is I don’t want to lose my right to have a gun instead of I want everyone to have the right to feel safe from the possibility of getting shot. I mean that’s what it comes down to their personal right over the right of everyone in society as a community…….selfish
Yep. It's why I hate that Murdoch media is intentionally pushing their divisive, selfish propaganda onto Australians. The sheep who watch that shit end up with the same "Me me me" mentality and forget that being Aussie means looking out for each other and mateship, not being able to do whatever _you_ want at the expense of everyone else.
"Right to feel safe" there is a huge difference between actually being safe and feeling it. Feelings do not outweigh constitutional guaranteed rights. Idk why anti gunners admit this but they use wordage like feel safe, they can't help but say feel safe and not "being safe".
@@S1D3W1ND3R015look at the stats though, a lot of people who own guns are killed by their own guns, or their children are. Having a heap of guns actually makes people less safe, they just "feel" safer.
@flichop1522 so 0.020% of guns used for bad are less safe? You do realize less than that percentage are killed by guns. Where over 400,000,000 guns in circulation are, 335,000,000 people and over 150,000,000 people own atleast one gun. Guns are absolutely used for laws purposes and do not hurt anyone. Overwhelmingly. Especially considering its a constitutional right.
I am so glad we live in Australia..the stress of wondering who will go insane with a gun must be overwhelming as a parent.
The guns currently in circulation in Australia (legally) include no automatic or semi-automatic firearms, almost no hand guns, are all registered and require to be stored safely. It isn't the number of guns that matters. It's the type of gun and the purpose for which they were designed.
And a bit of control of the types of people that can legally own a gun.
You have no idea whats out there
@@trapper9998no but we know our kids can go to school in safety
My house has over 24 guns, Shotguns, Riffles and 7 Hand guns.. Australians can get guns :) They are all Single action!
? your point is? They all go bang. When I wanted to fire automatic weapons I was in the military, now I'm a civilian I don't need to.
How many victims of mass shootings have you seen? Bet I win that one. find a better argument and I might agree with you.@@jamessmithsaltyarmy5210
I miss Kevin, he's now our Ambassador to the US, very intelligent man.
Agree Ryan. Mass shootings became “trendy” in US. The Australian prime minister at the time seemed to sense that and decided to opt out of importing that particular aspect of American culture. If he hadn’t done it at the first sign of trouble, we’d likely have ended up paralysed on the issue for decades
Last 20 years yet we've always had guns and even less gun laws. Weird. It's almost like it's a people and socialital problem.
John Farnham sang a powerful song which asked the question…how long can we look at each other down the barrel of a gun ? Check out the concert in Melbourne with the full orchestra. Audience and in fact, all Australians believe the song You’re The Voice to be our national anthem
I love how the comments say that having a registration of guns will lead to confiscation of their guns. They miss the point. You register your gun, and then you get to keep it. Pretty simple, really.
Until the government decides that you can’t.
@@gregoryjohn4 Hasn't happened here yet. Also how would the government just suddenly take everyone's guns from them? They'd have to pass a new law first.
@@jessbellis9510 No, they can do it by regulation. or by changing the category of a gun to make that gun illegal to own. or in many states, declare that gun to appear (look) too dangerous.
@@jessbellis9510ohh so it wasn't the customs department who changed their mind on a bolt action rifle i owned and demanded back that i had bought legally in country all because of how it looked. This is why people like you should have no say on firearms legislation
@@jessbellis9510 genocide also didn't happen in russia and china and germany and .... until it did.
The 2nd Amendment was written when firearms were muzzle loaders; not assault rifles that can kill numerous people in a matter of seconds. Twenty seven years ago when firearms regulations were introduced in Australia there were protests with claims it was the first move to entirely remove firearms from citizens. My husband & several of his friends are registered firearms owners & they still have the firearms they owned when the regulations were introduced. They did not own any automatic firearms but they were able to retain their bolt action rifles, their shotguns & their pistols. Their firearms are safely stored away for hunting & target shooting. No one in Australia has firearms for personal protection unless they are police or criminals. The comedian, Jim Jeffries, does a very funny but truthful piece on US firearms beliefs & attiitudes.
I’m an Australian and glad we sorted the gun problem, my heart broke when I watched the news and a deranged person had shot up Sandy Hook, just WHY? The kids were so young, didn’t have a chance . So mindless
Then all the other school shootings, imagine sending your child to school and crossing your fingers that your child will come home. Unimaginable!
🎉.
You guys still have gun violence and a mass shooting just last year. There is absolutely no country that has zero gun deaths.
Mass shootings and school shootings in America make me so sad. Ive watched a few docos on them and god i cry. Sandy Hook was so tragic those poor kids.
I wanted to visit USA when i was young but not anymore, you never know who could be carrying an if a altercation happens run a high risk of being shot, were as in Australia you might have a fist fight but you'll both live to fight another day. Plus i recently read of over 60yr old professor at a school who was sacked so he grabs a gun an goes back to school an starts shooting innocent people because he lost his job!!
I had been planning for the past couple of years to compete/participate in a bicycle race across the US in 2025. The gun and political situation has made me re-think the safety of being in the US in 2025. I'm now planning on racing across Europe.
Yep,I always wanted to visit the US, but with the number of shootings, Trump and crooked cops has turned me off completely.
@@Maxiakt On top of that, I don't want to support a country that is the world's bully and biggest profiteer of war. USA is like a bizarre capitalist dystopia.
All you need to do is stay out of bad specific areas of major inner cities. Like 98% of America's land is like Australia for homicides with guns. The vast majority of these shootings are related to specific areas in cities.
Yeah that's incorrect@@S1D3W1ND3R015
Why are Americans so adamant that they have a right to have guns therefore they must have guns. My rights are not lessened by gun laws in Australia.
Rights are useless without a backbone. Otherwise rights on a document such as a Constitution is just a piece of paper because if the government wanted to, they could override the Constitution and its rights and you guys can't do anything about it. The purpose of the 2nd amendment was for the citizens to have the tools necessary to secure freedom. You forget this country was fought for by random farmers with their own guns against the most powerful empire at the time. And they won.
As a 72 yr old man, I was very angry when I had to hand back my .22 rifle back in 1996 that I owned since I was 12 yrs old. It took me about 12 months to get over it, but I'm OK with the law now.
Agreed, .22 rifles were an Australian rabbit thing.
Welcome to communism.
you wouldnt know communism if you fell over it @@partymanau
Why did you have to hand it over ? Was it an unregistered gun or you were unlicenced or something ? There was no requirement to simply hand over all your guns (unless they were fully or semi automatic rifles or other banned weapons). I regularly see online discussions where Americans claim Australians are not allowed to own guns and seem surprised to find out that we can and do.
@@Austechmy husband handed in his .22 as well. To keep it we would have had to register it and buy a gun safe to keep it in, with a separate safe place for the ammunition and be prepared to have compliance with those requirements checked on by police to make sure the gun was secured. You also have to have a good reason to have a gun and being able to go rabbit shooting a handful of times a year is a bit feeble as a reason.
The point of the buyback was to hand in any gun without consequence.
You could get money for a gun that is about to be illegal and you could also get money for a gun that was already illegal.
The point was to get them off the streets.
From memory even Rocket launchers were handed in
None of these guns were ever going to be used in crimes. Because the only people willing to surrender their guns are the people you don't need to worry about.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 You're saying it like guns stay with one person forever. Also how do you know people don't change or use it impulsively?
@integratedwaffle If you sell knowingly to a criminal or prohibited person, that's already a crime. It's already illegal and a felony. If you buy a gun specifically to resell to criminals, that's straw purchasing and is a federal felony crime. So how do you determine this? If everyone may kill someone at some point without a previous history, at this point just ban guns. Ban everything. Your logic is assuming anyone who buys a gun will use it in a crime which statistically is absolutely not true. The overwhelming vast majority of guns and gun owners never hurt anyone in their entire lifetime. You guys just can't accept this fact. It's ok, you are entitled to your own opinions and views.
New Zealand, like Australia has banned semi automatic weapons except in soecial cases, following a mass shooting. The reaction from gun groups in the US was that all guns were being banned.
To put this into perspective, when recording my firearms details recently, I found that I currently posess just under tenty long arms and am currently in process of qualifying for a pistol licence.
We see gun ownership as a privilege, not a right, as we have no history of opression, real or imagined in the history of our country and on the whole, while not necessarily liking our government, generally trust them, as our electoral system does not lend itself to elected dictatorships, unlike countries with two party systems.
So, no, all guns are not banned, but strict vetting of applicants for gun licences is the norm and is supported by our fireams owners organisations as we don't want idiots undermining the image of our sport and justifying the claims of anti gun groups.
Go proportional representation. I think that the "west island" (not a part of Oz) of New Zealand with Hare Clarke voting wins. Does NZ have proportional representation? I know there is no mandatory vote.
New Zealand has MMP (Mixed Member Proportional) voting which in effect means a coalition government other than in exceptional cases (I don't recall any to date). After our recent election we have six parties in parliament and three make up the ruling coalition. With such systems dictatorial government is all but impossible and a large majority of the voters feel they have genuine representation unlike under FPP (First past the post) which only gave direct representation to those who voted for the winning party. Sometimes the winning party have had less than the majority of votes nationally and only became government because they won the majority of the electorates.
There are a number of excellent web-sites and you tube postings which compare the various systems of government with their strengths and weaknesses.@@nickabbott6278
Thanks so much for that, working with a large number of young Kiwis here in Hobart, I will ask.
Hare Clarke, five electorates in the sate, each electorate will have six members at the next election, after the major parties reduced it from 35 to 25 in 1998. THat's how you exile minor parties. No corruption here. (LOL)@@HaurakiVet
My PM I love Kevin Rudd and he is talking for most Aussies
Yep, Ryan, rewrite the amendment! Because you haven't the British wanting to go to war with you, & times have changed, we've all evolved. No one needs a gun!!! From Australia
the amendment has nothing to do with the british, and because you said that, it demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge of history.
Unfortunately it’s not that simple of an issue fix for America.
Let’s say one day down the road they were about to remove that amendment or adjust it at that point what’s to stop the American government from adjusting the other amendments to their liking including free speech which I myself cannot stress enough how important that one is especially in todays society.
Australia at least Is not bound by such a thing however we don’t have a free speech agreement like America which is a little disappointing in that regard. Should their free speech here, absolutely but unfortunately we don’t have such a thing (as far as I know of) which I personally believe that’s gonna come back to bite us later especially if the government wants to become complete control freaks and as of late they have been showing hints of that then usual. Subtle but noticeable if you pay attention. For that I admire that about America because you guys have protection to your speech however Australia doesn’t have that luxury (at least not yet).
Reinterpret the amendment. Or just read it properly, you are NOT part of a well organised militia.
Times have changed? Literally two examples of tyranny right now in the world. Less than 100 years and governments have been responsible for over 100,000,000 citizens deaths. If anything it's more relevant because the founders knew tyranny would always be around and governments would try to control people.
@@macklinwright3966
Thats why it’s called an “Amendment”.
The 2nd amendment obviously needs some serious amending.
As for free speech, many have lost friendships, careers and have come under verbal and physical attack just for having a different political affiliation or just voicing their own opinion even though the 1st amendment still maintains peoples right to free speech.
The number of guns in circulation is two things: the population has increased, for one thing, but also they're different guns. There are restriction on what kinds of guns you can have as well.
On the issue of smuggling guns - they get smuggled out of the US, not into it.
Come on, every random person having a gun is not a 'WELL REGULATED militia'. It isnt just a little caveat. It would be different if all.those individuals were part of the army reserve or equivalent.
Yes "militia with muskets, to protect the government" not life is cheap and you have rights, just go for it!!
Well regulated in 18th century context meant well organized and able to do what it's designed to do efficiently and effectively. It has nothing to do about government control and restrictions. In facts it's the opposite because the entirety of the 2nd amendment and the Bill of rights are limitations on government power and control. It's direct towards the government, telling the government they cannot infringe on this.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015Rubbish, it's means "a disciplined, trained and regulated militia working for the government"! 😏 I don't think forming an armed militia to protect the government from hostile nations, or protecting your family from savage rampaging Indians or undesirable aliens actually applies anymore! 🤔 Why would you have a government if it's every man for himself? Why do you actually need any machine guns at all, ever?? 😠
Any guns sold in OZ would not include machine guns or high powered rifles, plus a buyers mental state is taken into consideration and why they need a gun.
You can still buy high powered semi-auto rifles depending on license class. Any farmer can get a semi-auto rifle, if not a farmer for instance, you can buy the bolt action, pump action or lever action version.
What breaks my heart is that there is a market for children's schoolbags with armour plates fitted. Children going about their day with that kind of fear cannot be good for mental health. If heavy restrictions are enacted in the USA, the black market for firearms will eventually dry up - providing boarder control can prevent illegal firearms coming in. The criminals will find it a lot harder to find firearms, only the high up members of organised crime will really have access to the black market stuff and they are only really interested in the own enemies. In Australia, no one really thinks about guns unless they live on a farm where it a tool of the trade or going down to the gun range. Also, who actually needs a gun? Farmers, Hunters, Military and Law enforcement.
I was absolutely horrified when I found out about these school bags earlier this year....
I mean, HOW does the American brain work if they think that's a solution to not getting shot?
I'd agree, except guns get smuggled _out_ of the USA to other countries because they're so cheap there.
The gun issue in the US has definitely caused lasting, generational damage - you now have a culture that sees extreme violence as an appropriate reaction to basically anything, the normalisation of the random slaughter of civilians, and the devaluing of lives because of it. It's always disturbing to me that so many Americans see killing someone as an appropriate response to someone trying to steal from you. It's justified as "self-defence" or "they shouldn't have been there" but no one seems to consider the mental impact that killing someone can have. Having a populace that is constantly on edge and ready to kill is something you'd expect from a 3rd world, war torn country, not the richest country in the world.
Totally agree with our ex PM. You guys can have your handguns & rifles, tho there's no way the general public should have (easy) access to any automatic, semi or other wise, weapons of war!
"Pretty logical Jim" (Startrek).✌️
Define a weapon of war.
95% of handguns are semi auto.
Rifles including the AR 15 attribute to the least amount of deaths and are used in the least crimes and mass shootings.
Gun ownership is back up because Australia's population has significantly increased in the last 25 years. We have the same definition of mass shooting- 4 or more deaths in a shooting event.
Actually no we don't. Our definition of mass shootings is 3 or more injured. You can be grazed in the arm and you are counted. The overwhelming majority of our yearly mass shootings are barely breaking the definition criteria via injuries.
When you have a family killed by semi auto weapon like I have had, you tend to want something done, I didn’t want all guns removed from people but was glad when they changed part of the law so it reduced others loosing loved ones and the data shows it for Australia anyway. 😅
here in Australia it's not uncommon to own 20 firearms per licensed shooter ,although semi automatic rifles are not common a farmer may have auto's on his property BUT he cannot take them off his property .Personally the firearms law did not make any difference to most Australians and on average we are reasonably happy
One point that seems to be missed is the drop in the size of mass shootings. Technically, they are defined as four or more victims not including the perpetrator. Prior to the law changes of 1996, the mass shooting claimed many more victims. While the definition of a mass shootings only considers fatalities, there are also a lot of injuries. When you take that into account, the impact post-1996 is even greater.
Yes, we've had gangland wars (more like large criminal organisations than US style gangs) in Melbourne in the late 1990's and early 2000's and in Sydney more recently. There have been a couple of incidents of family violence, and restricting access to guns hasn't stopped other methods being used.
Overall, what we haven't seen since 1996 is the lunatic with a gun shooting random strangers in public. That stopped.
It’s really quite easy to get a firearms license in Australia. It just took a while. Took nearly 2 months just because they are slow with paperwork but now on the most basic license I can own up to 30 firearms no autos, semi autos or handguns all so can have a shotgun that holds up to 6 shots but no pump action shotguns. There is also higher level licenses which are still easy to do that allow for handguns and pump action shotguns. First firearm took 3 weeks till I could pick it up but from then on it’s only been a week each time.
I grew up on a farm in Queensland also, and, yes I learned to shoot. Because wildlife does destroy. And while we were primary producers, we retained firearms. Now we lived in major city, no longer required. No need for it.
Thing is under the 2nd amendment, you have the right to bear arms "in defence of your country". Unfortunately, there are people are using firearms for threat and harm. This is why you gave so much gun violence and death. The amendment is not the problem, the gun lobby is.
You have to have a public vote to change the constitution
Or a Scamdemic.
Nah I don’t think that is the case to have a referendum in the US ,don’t the parliament and states have the ability to change the constitution. Happy to be shown I’m wrong on that.
@@nevilleapple629 ok, just looked it up.
2/3 vote in both houses
nup..
The buy back was a national thing and everyone complied. I did research this issue because others have said similar things, but in my searches, I couldn’t find anything to verify that there are more gun deaths.
Then you have no actually researched shit
American past Presidents are referred to as President for ever and a day. Past Australian prime ministers are not referred to as Prime minister after they leave office.
Yes, we did have the NRA here in Australia.
Mass shootings are defined by 4 deaths, not including the shooter
I’ve really enjoyed watching your videos. It’s interesting to see how us Aussies are perceived overseas. I’m tempted to do one on Australian perceptions of the US. 👍
Just a point about gun 'smuggling' across the Mexican border. I've recently read that most of the guns in Mexico - legally owned or nor - are made in the USA. That said, we absolutely have the advantage of having no border with another country!
Also, I'm so very sorry that chatting about mass shootings in the USA by you Ryan, or any other American, sometimes comes across as normal :(
Yeah you have no idea what comes through our borders
It's also illegal and a huge crime in both countries to smuggle guns across a border. So you are in favor of gun laws then turn around and put out an example of the laws not working. Because bad people do bad things.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 Canada borders the country with the most guns yet their gun laws also work. Strange that.
At 02.40 it is not correct what is on the screen. While there was a recommendation for a Federal Firearms Registry, it did not happen. It is currently under discussion due to the police shootings In Queensland at Wieambilla 12 months ago. if you Google that shooting and find the wikipedia page for it, you can see at the bottom that "At a National Cabinet meeting in December 2023, State and Territory Premiers and Chief Ministers along with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese promised to implement a National Firearms Register". One of the shooters had guns registered in both Queensland and New South Wales.
they wrote this when there musketts 1 round a minute
Hi Ryan, wonder what your thoughts are on this…2nd amendment talks about a well regulated militia, a militia is defined as a citizen army, in that case, wouldn’t your National Guard be that militia?
There is organised crime in Australia. In fact in Melbourne there were gang wars where they were murdering each other in broad daylight. I think that you should be wary of assuming there are more gangs proportional to population in the US than Australia.
Melbournes issue with organised crime gangs like the mafia is wayy different to street youth gangs in American cities
Just stop it lmao 🤣..you can't compare Melbourne to usa cities when it comes to street gangs. You people are off your heads
Lol so? Australia still got rid of guns and is safer for it.
@@ACDZ123Dumb kids shouldn't have access to guns.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.... Australia and the US are exactly the same when it comes to crime. I'm also the king England and ruler of the universe.
Australia does not currently have a national gun registry, although one is expected to be in operation in the near future. At the moment states have their own individual registers. This creates large real time lags in tracking cross state movements of firearms. I once was given a rifle that belonged to the father of a friend after his father had passed away. I handed it in to the local NSW police station before I left to live in the NT. About 4 years later the NT police came knocking on my door wanting to know the whereabouts of a spare barrel for this gun. I had to sign a stat dec to the effect that I was unaware of its existence.
My son's best mate's mum had a similar experience. Her ex had done the harry but left some of his "toys" behind. Her youngest found one hidden in the bottom of his toybox. Mum called the LAC and they told her to bring it in, said no way she was gonna drive from hers to the copshop with a bangstick in the car, so they said they'd come and get it. When they turned up 3 days later, 2 GDs and a D, she made sure to get a receipt for it, and the other stuff they found after she made them look for it.
Fast forward 5 years, she's over in NZ visiting family and there's a knock on her mum's front door. 2 NZ Feds are standing there with an arrest warrant for her and the little banger that started it all. Turns out the detective had been nicked for some of his notorious behaviour, and the gun that she had the receipt for had been used in one of his activities... luckily she had the receipt in the back of her wallet and was able to show it to them, but it got a bit hairy there for a bit...🧐
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@@grandy2875Done a Harry. Haven't heard that before. I assume it means he left? Nice.
It's illegal beyond the 2nd amendment to have a national gun registry. Because throughout history they have been used for confiscations. You can't do a confiscation without a gun registry. It's impossible. Australia does not have a right to own guns, thus their government can do as they please. We have a right to them the 2nd amendment is a limitation on government power.
We can have guns in Australia. You need a licence, a gun safe and to be registered with the Australian sports shooters association
No. You don't need this.
It's too hard a problem for the USA.
The reason being, even simple problems like switching to metric or street signs that's easily understood by non english speakers are already nigh impossible.
There is simply not enough cooperation among your politicians to actually solve domestic problems.
I never got how they can't swap to metric, every other country did.
@@Azmedon-AU You’d be surprised that we use both but nobody outside the US understands that. It really doesn’t matter which you prefer to use. It’s just that we use imperial more often. Imperial is simple and more practical for everyday life in many ways.
There's even arguments about signage in chemists. Everything is politicised to the detriment of the people.
@@gabecollins5585how can it be simpler. Metric system is times 10 🤔
@@tanya9112 Times ten what?
It won't work in America because of 2 reasons. 1: is a fundamental misunderstanding of the 2nd amendment. What began as a practical measure to ensure the populace of new independant America had enough troops to fight off invasion has mutated into this insane belief that people need the guns to overthrow the government if it "goes too far". No stable nation has a sizable chunk of it's population clutching guns and waiting to launch armed revolution. 2: A fanatical belief in the immutability and unchanging nature of the constitution. Basically the idea that the constitution is a perfect and unchangeable set of rules more akin to religious doctrine than civil law. No other nation on Earth does this unless you include those who base their laws on Sharia and even they can and have changed things occasionally. If you suggested repealing the 2nd amendment most Americans even those appalled at the lack of action on gun violence would be shocked and horrified. But it's a 200 year old law that doesn't work any more, anywhere else on Earth would have at least modified it by now. But America just can't, it's sacrilege to suggest it. And even if the people wanted to the political system would ensure it never ever passed. Our solution to mass shootings worked because it was an Australian solution in Australia, it made sense to us. If America ever wants to climb out of the hole it dug for itself it has to come up with it's own solution.
"people need the guns to overthrow the government" - Yeah, kind of insane, a handgun won't work against a drone strike or artillery. It's not even useful against a foreign invader who would probably have to nuke the whole country to stand a chance. The US can't even agree on basic background checks or waiting periods, never mind any actual control.
No well drafted constitution should be frozen in the past.
Well said. Also please We have a blind spot in Australia akin to their gum problem Gambling and Pokies in general . This is our silent killer and destroyer. Our gambling lobby is as powerful as and the American Gun lobby
@@janegarnham Oh my god the gambling lobby is so bad here. Literally controlled by the mob. Guess it makes sense given the HQ is in Sydney. Any gambling premises should be state owned - so the state gets all the profits and then puts that money into treating gambling addiction. Or at least massively crack down and tax the bastards!
@@jessbellis9510 yes indescribable and evil.
Interesting timing, I just saw a short from SOC119 with Sam Richards who said in 2019 South Korea which is one-sixth the size of the USA has 60 gun deaths that year. He then asked the class how that translates to the USA. Turns out it translates to 60 deaths in the US per hour. 😮
The simplest explanation of Australian Gun Laws is first you need a licence, all guns are given classifications, with varying levels of restrictions to ownership. All guns are also registered.
So if it's like a car and driver's licence, you can't have an 18 wheeler on your learners permit, you need a CDL, and fuel transport requires certification. Then there's waiting periods on purchase, regulation on storage, etc. So automatic and semi-automatic are restricted to certain police and armed forces, hand guns are separate from rifles and shotguns.
A work colleague of mine migrated to Australia from South Africa. She made the decision to move after taking her family for a picnic at the beach. When she opened the picnic basket, she looked down at the revolver she packed in it for protection and thought "this isn't right".
A right to something doesn't necessarily mean it's a need.
I have two comments on this topic. Firstly, I don't think it's instructive to compare the number of mass shooting in Australia and the US directly as the populations of the two countries are vastly different. Clearly, though, the Government intervention in Australia had a positive effect. Secondly, I believe the biggest obstacle to meaningful change to gun laws in the US is the sheer amount of money your cashed-up gun lobby can throw at senators who are more concerned for their positions than guns.
They compared shooting deaths on a per capita basis
While there is a significant difference in population I think the fact Australia has had 1 mass shooting in 25 years and the US has had 150 in just the last year is worth mentioning.
The comparisons are instructive when done per capita (per 100,000 population). I agree about the disastrous effects of the evil greedy exploitation tactics of the NRA who have an enormous amount of blood on their hands.
@@Venusbabe66 Yes - and, of course, the arms manufacturers who fund the NRA
I'm embarrassed for you
Australia is a relatively safe country. When we think about self-protection, we think self-defense classes. The odds of you being attacked in the first place are incredibly slim, but even in the event that that does happen, your attacker is likely to be armed with little more than a pocket knife.
The second amendment was written in a time where the most advanced technology available were musket rifles. Looking to an outdated amendment and saying that you have the right to bear arms when your forefathers couldn't have ever imagined the kind of technology we have today is just silly. Isn't the right to life and safety more important than the right to bear arms?
Even in Australia, you can own guns. You need a legitimate reason to apply for a firearms license, you need to pass a background and mental health check, you need to undergo a waiting period, and even after you have the gun, it must be kept secure in a gun locker/safe where it cannot easily be accessed. Police will do check-ups to ensure that it is secured.
Australia has a gun registry in which all purchased guns are registered to their owners by serial number. This makes the job of law enforcement easier. If a gun is disposed of after a shooting, such as dumped in a bin or whatever, police can match the serial number to the owner.
Gun control and regulation doesn't mean the end of owning a gun. It just ensures that legally purchased guns are only in the hands of responsible people. This is contrary to the U.S where a high school student can buy a gun and then shoot up the school. We don't have that here.
America isnt a country on my bucket list. The love of guns and individual protection is not something i was raised with and not something i want to experience.
I love our sense if community, the fact we can have an argument and not be shot for disagreeing with eachother. I love that my kids have never seen a gun in their life and have never been subjected to active shooter lessons at school from the age of 4 years old. I love that the only gun violence we do have is via gangs, they keep it between themselves. I love that i can go to a movie or concert and not even think about not coming home. I love that since 1996, gun violence has never entered my thought process, and i wasn't raised with that level of suspicion and paranoia.
I mostly love that most aussies feel the same way. People have a right to guns when its a requirement for their work or livelihoods, thats the only correct gun ownership.
Working in a bank gave me a very valuable lesson in dealing with armed robbery which i keep till.this day and oassed to my children.... compliance and insurance. Insurance.. every business is insured for armed robbery, the money they want is insured and not worth losing ur life over. Compliance... save ur life, give them what they want. Remembering that its insured and recoverable, unlike ur life. Aussies know there is more to life than gun ownership. America isnt so lucky.
To say the gang violence is a different issue is to ignore that basically all gun crime in Australia is committed by bikie gangs and it's usually execution type attacks usually on rival gang leaders or snitches. Bikies don't usually do mass shootings, they are quite targeted. Then to lesser degrees you have domestic violence with guns in remote communities but that's pretty rare, then you have street level crime like armed robberies but in most cases the gun turns out to be fake weather it's an air rifle, a replica handgun or a deactivated firearm. All of which are also illegal to own here without permit/licence.
Because Australia has 38 gangs, the US has... over 30,000. Australia has about 4,700 members, the US... about 1,000,000. Hmmm. 🤔
Our mass shooting numbers include gang related violence. Our mass shootings are also 3 or more injured. No death needs to occur.
What most outside people think of a mass shooting (innocent people, random non gang guy, grocery store or school) don't even break 10 per year. The 500 or 600 number you see is vastly gang related inner city crime.
Mass shooting index defines it as a single incident where 4 or more victims are shot and injured or killed. So far in 2023 there have been over 700 in America more than one a day😢!!!
Maybe America 🇺🇸 should get rid of the 2nd amendment, at least our kid's can go to school 🏫 and be safe
Americans should learn to read, so they can actually comprehend what the 2nd says.
Lol that'll never happen and we both know it.
@kenchristie9214 Lol!!!!!
There's more chance of Putin conceding power than America doing a thing about guns.
It appears the 2nd amendment requires some amending.
@@suemontague3151 Americans are too stupid and paranoid.
I'm just glad I don't live in that train wreck of a country.
Love that first comment you read. We used to have a gun problem, and now we don't know what you could learn from us. We still have the right to own a gun. You Just have to jump through some hoops to get it and you certainly can't carry it around. I know what you are saying I have to carry a gun to feel safe. Imagine the freedom when I don't have to carry one because nobody else does. When you go to the mall there is a 99.9% chances the only one with a gun is a cop or a security guard dropping of money to a bank.
Mass shootings are defined as an incident in which four or more victims are shot or killed, according to the archive.as for your second amendment it's amendment it can be repealed. The 18th Amendment to the Constitution prohibited the "manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors. The Eighteenth Amendment was repealed by the Twenty-first Amendment on December 5, 1933. Peace out.
They changed it from 3 people, as the numbers looked "worse"..
The definition of a mass shooting is 4 or more victims in Aus.
There's plenty of guns smuggled into Australia. Plenty.
I figured out why I like reaction channels. It feels like watching something with a friend & I don’t have that IRL due to my health. Thanks for bringing a little of the real world to those of us trapped in our towers. I never got my life back post Covid
I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue around 5 years ago and because of that and other health issues I've been extremely careful to not get Covid - which basically means being a hermit apart from medical appointments, where I still wear a mask to this day. You're 100% right on that reasoning!
The secret to how it worked in Australia, and how it could work in the USA. It has to be implimented after "an emergency" by a Republican. As John Howard was an arch conservative, he got away with it as he had no opposition, he was as conservative as you can get. So a Democrat just wouldn't get away with it. A Republicans could. It could be rocky, but other arch conservatives wouldn't dare be out of line with a strong leader. Would it happen? Probably not. I think this was the only way any leader got away with it in this country. Labor wouldn't get away with it, the Murdoch media would be jumping all over it
The irony is... at the time, Port Arthur shocked so many Australians that what was called the "Buy Back" didnt exist for so many. They just handed them over. I remember i was 16/17 and i walked into a police station with my father... he handed over his .22, and i handed over my air rifle no money exchanged hands, that was the shock value. Maybe, just watch Jim Jefferies "Gun Control" an Australian comedian that makes more sense than most of your politicians... unfortunatley, in the US there is a 50/50 of lovers and haters. So i probably wouldnt review it if i were you.
If Americans already have to jump through all kinds of hoops to own certain kinds of weapons, surely a good start would be to extend the list of weapons to include all automatic weapons and probably semi automatics as well. People could still own them it would just become harder to do so. Small steps.
We never got a federal gun registry until 2023. Now all states will have access to one database.
I would say the vast majority of gun deaths in Australia (excluding suicide) are gang related,. A small percentage are domestic violence, and very few are from robbery attempts or other criminal activity.
The key difference is that in order to get a licence to purchase a gun in Australia, you have to have a stated reason, which are listed in the legislation, and personal defense is specifically excluded as a reason.
Infringe upon their rights to own guns. How about the rights of school kids to go to school without fear. Somehow this magical word constitution seems to matter more
I live in Australia. I bought my first guns at a Target store in Queensland when I was 16. I had no identification with me, so they wrote my name, birth date and address into a book. The police might have got that information and it might have been checked, I don't know. I didn't ever hear from them. No licence was required in Queensland in those days, but you had to be 16. I bought a 5 shot pump action shotgun (now illegal) and a Sako .222 with a scope. I also picked up a few hundred rounds of ammunition for each of them. That was in the early 1980's. People really thought nothing of it in those days. In regional areas everyone had a gun or knew someone who did. I don't own any guns today, I don't need one. I think our laws are good. Having a situation where anyone can walk in off the street and load up with guns and ammunition is not the way to go.any more. Anyone who wants or needs a gun can get one as long as they meet the requirements. The laws are hardly noticed by anyone. Most people in Australia live in the cities, so their need for and opportunity to use firearms is limited.
28 day wait period is only for your first gun. After that it's within a day or 2
An AK 15 is a machine gun……
The AK-47 is an assault rifle, not a machine gun. While it is capable of automatic fire, it is primarily designed for individual use and fire in short bursts, distinguishing it from fully automatic machine guns.
@@MRDPG59 Every single automatic weapon is a machine gun. There are different types. It doesn’t have to be a belt fed automatic weapon to be a machine gun. Doesn’t matter if it is a pistol a rifle a shotgun. It still is if it’s shooting full auto.
Isn't an amendment a change, which can be changed again. The funny part is, if you have a car and drive, then there are restrictions, it needs to be registered, you need training.
Yeah but Americans see guns as a god given right so nothing will ever be done.
That 28 days waiting period should be happen. Small adjustments in your hostile enviroment maybe could help in a long run. If nothing is done,nothing will change.
The definition of mass shooting is 4-5 people (varies between areas of the world) shot, not counting the shooter. The small number of mass shootings Australia has had since then have all been domestic muder/suicides.
The waiting period is foremost to allow for the government to carry out extensive background checks, as well as to reduce impulse buys.
The number of guns has increased since 1996, the year of the Port Arthur massacre, but at a much lower rate than the population: "the rate of registered firearms per 100 population has only risen by 1.7 percent. In the same period, the country’s population grew by 40 percent, from 18.2 million to 25.5 million."
The number of people who own guns has decreased, the number of guns owned by previous owners has increased. From 2021 census: "the proportion of Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48 percent, as each year a smaller segment of the population decide they need a firearm. In 1997...Australia had 6.52 licensed firearm owners per 100 population. By 2020, that proportion had almost halved, to 3.41 licensed gun owners for every 100 people."
Living far from towns growing up in the outback, I learned to safely fire all my dad's weapons, including hand guns. I once stepped on a snake, rode over two snakes on my bike, and had numerous other close up encounters with them. Having said that, we had a pet carpet python that lived in the roof, and would wrap himself around the inside rafters to watch us go about our day. Weapons are obviously owned for safety on the land.
But I've read horrible stories from the US, about children easily finding loaded weapons. If people must have one, weapon safety should be their first concern.
The buyback in Australia was significant because it happened under a coalition government which is a formation of government with a lot of regional and rural constituencies. In addition to that, having the 28 day buyback period meant that there was a there was a “ cool down“ period for individuals looking to purchase a firearm. Not only did this stop people from undertaking mass casualty incidences, at also limited the suicide by firearm rate in Australia.
As a note on the graph that you were looking at, it was gun deaths, not the gun ownership rate
Additionally, the gang rate of gun crime, and the broader community rate of gun death could likely be considered or consolidated by understanding the rate of gun ownership and prevalence in US communities comparatively to other communities, not only in Australia, but globally.
@ryanwas if gun ownership, corresponded with community safety, then why isn’t the US the most safe place in the world instead of being the place that has the most gun deaths globally?
Part of the response to mass shootings in Australia was recognition that firearms have a place in rural or remote communities where you have an agricultural lifestyle. This meant that we had provisions in our regulations to ensure that these members of society could still access necessary firearms. Interestingly, you may need to research it further, but it appears that most mass casualty firearm related incidences in Australia are happening in regional or rural settings with people that have access to these firearms, or with people who are unfortunately undertaking a mass casualty incident where they slaughter, their family, including their partner and children, and then suicide.
What I enjoy in some of the react videos moving to Australia from the US is some people saying that they no longer have this anxiety about gun crime or they walk into a restaurant and don’t feel the need to look at where the exit are. In Australia, I can sit down in a restaurant, cafe, or any establishment. Enjoy a meal, without the threat, immediate threat, that I may be gun down in the middle of my meal with friends and family.
Statistically, a double murder in Australia is exactly the same proportion of the population as a twenty person murder in the US. Double murders happen in Australia much, much more often than a twenty person murder in the US.
Former PM Mr Rudd has been replaced by several other Prime Ministers, so his video is rather old now, however Mr Rudd is correct in what he said.
Kevin Rudd is now an Ambassador in the US. He mentions he has lived in the USA for 5 or 6 years now, so this is not from when he was PM.
Mass shooting, as defined by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), an event in which one or more individuals are “actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area. Implicit in this definition is the shooter’s use of a firearm.” The FBI has not set a minimum number of casualties to qualify an event as a mass shooting, but U.S. statute (the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012) defines a “mass killing” as “3 or more killings in a single incident.” For the purposes of this article, both sets of criteria will be applied to the term mass shooting, with the distinction that the shooter or shooters are not included in any fatality statistics.
Australia has had less school gun shooting incidents in our entire history than the US has every month. I have never heard a gun being fired in my 50 years in Canberra aside from 21 gun salutes. The only guns I see is about once or twice a month in the holster of police officers when they buy their coffees at my local café.
Amend the amendment
Or just enforce the ‘ well regulated “ part and militia part. ❤
You are right, the number of guns in Australia has increased since 1996. However, as the population has also increased, the rate of gun ownership per thousand population has actually decreased.
Good to see Kevin Rudd! He was the best PM this century. Superb management of environment and economy
When you are interpreting the effect of Australia's modern gun laws, it is very important to put them into context. To do that, use a search engine to find a graph or figures for the total homicide rate that stretches at least ten years (and preferably longer) before and after the new laws came in and the gun buyback. That is, get a graph or series covering at least 1986-2006, and ideally from 1968 to present. You will see that the reforms in 1996-97 were so powerful that they reached back in time and caused a trend of reduction in homicides that started five years before they came in. For an extra appreciation of their significance, compare this with the trend in other rich OECD countries, and the trend in other crimes. It really is astonishing.
I'm an Aussie.I have no fear of guns.
Most Australians know that possessing a firearm is not the best method of protection. Having less firearms especially semi and fully automatic giving less opportunity for them to be used incorrectly is far safer. This I think is going to be the major stumbling block for the USA, the belief that possessing a firearm is the only way you can protect what is yours. Australia realised that removing the spectre of being shot by simply attending a tourist site or a school, gave us more freedom than owning a gun would ever give. Less guns, especially fast reload guns in circulation, reduces the chances of being shot and gives a greater freedom to safely go about our business. Until the citizens of USA realise that they have far less freedom now due to gun violence and the act of possessing a firearm does very little to protect the individual, then they will have to live with the self imposed prison they have created.
The right to bear arms was as ill-conceived as the prohibition of alcohol.
48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the US during 2021, according to the latest data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
That's nearly an 8% increase from 2020, which was a record-breaking year for firearm deaths.
While mass shootings and gun murders (homicides) generally garner much media attention, more than half of the total in 2021 were suicides.
I wonder why 2020 and 2021 had a rise in gun related violence. Hmmm. I can't think of cough cough any. 😂 also check the numbers now. Crime snd gun crime is decreasing back to pre Wuhan sniffles Era yet gun ownership is skyrocking.
Do you think those gun deaths are from legal or illegal guns? If they are illegal, how will banning them do anything but ban self defence?
@@None-y2f Gun deaths can generally be split into two categories. Spontaneous and planned. Spontaneous can be triggered by an argument, substance/alcohol, traumatic event such as loss of job or relationship breakdown etc. The person reacts spontaneously and grabs whatever is available. Obviously that could be a knife, stick, rock, turkey leg, fists or gun. Only difference is the people they are attacking have more chance of fighting back against the other weapons. This is more likely to be a legal firearm and the only serious crime the person has ever committed. May also include suicide. Planned killings, particularly mass shootings, are more likely to be done by someone with a long term social or mental issue. They tend to use firearms as they are typically weak and the firearms give them power. They want to show how powerful they are to friends family and the general public. In this case they may use legal or illegal weapons but are often "gun enthusiasts" and have more than one firearm. In reality both situations are made possible by the ready availability of firearms. The Australian buy back and weapons licensing just took a lot of readily available firearms out of circulation. It also limited the firepower available to general citizens. Yo can still legally source handguns, rifles and shotguns in Australia. Even semi auto assault rifles for professional shooters.
Nobody is allowed to speak of the real cause of gun deaths in America. It's not guns being legal.
Any upswing in gun ownership in Australia in recent years, mainly comes from people who actually have gun licenses buying additional guns - collectors, professional shooters, etc.. Almost none of said weapons are automatic, or semi-automatic, or concealable, or anything like that. And, BTW, Australia does have criminal gangs here too. But Australian schools don't have mass shooting drills, or talk about having armed security guards or permanently-stationed police officers. Aussie police officers still need to be careful, of course, but generally do not have to wonder if every person they pull over is armed - so a lot fewer 'incidents' there.
It is worth noting that, by US standards, Australia's gun laws were already strict BEFORE 1996. But until then, it was all done at the State level, and there was very little coordination between States. I understand that Tasmania, in which the Port Arthur massacre happened, actually had quite lax gun laws at that time. Afterwards, the Federal Government decided that it was time to get serious about this, and they did, working with all the State governments .
The actions of the then Premier of Queensland I find inspirational. He knew that going with the new gun laws would cost him key political support at an impending State election. He went ahead regardless, saying, "It is the right thing to do." He lost that election, but got a lot of respect anyhow.
It should also be pointed out that the USA's Second Amendment speaks of "... an armed and ***WELL_REGULATED*** militia ....". A lot of people really need to look up the exact meaning of 'well-regulated'. Particularly in the context of when it was written.
Finally, a point I've made before. Private gun ownership in the USA is a HUGE industry worth billions, more than the entire defense budgets of most other nations in the world. The people in the US making these profits wish to keep doing so, so they funnel "support" to politicians and the media, foment fear, wave a patriotic flag over it all, and keep telling people that the answer to all of society's ills is having MORE GUNS. All so they can keep making the big bucks. In terms of money in and general morality, not really much difference between these people and the foreign drug cartels that are a favorite boogey man of theirs.
Exactly - here in WA it's basically only bikies that have illegal firearms and no one really cares as long as they don't involve the public. It's basically in the bikie's best interests to avoid shooting in any suburb because as soon as that happens, the government comes down HARD on them. If those in organised crime are only killing other organised criminals, then I don't see an issue.
@@jessbellis9510
Good one. In a sense, evolution in action. :)
When the new gun laws came in, a number of Americans I knew online were utterly convinced that Australia had then gone into a state of complete anarchy.
They read "news" repots saying that, simply put, every gun-deprived psycho and crim in the country had bought kitchen knives and gone on stabbing sprees to keep the murder rate up.
Honestly, I was so dumbfounded by this bizarre claim (from people I previously thought fairly sensible) that I probably did not counter it as well as I would have liked.
Now, I wonder. Who would put out a rumor like that?
Our tougher gun laws didn't prevent the 2 issues our government used to introduce them, remove guns out of criminal hands and prevent massacres and gun massacres.
There are more illegal firearms (aswell as legal firearms) in circulation in Australia since the 1996 tougher gun laws. Although reducing the number of casualties in massacres, our tougher laws have not prevented them.
One major downside to our tougher laws is that it has created a black market for firearms that were not usually sort after in the past. Handguns have always been the weapons of choice for both criminals and smuggling, but since the laws now do not stipulate the punishment for importing a semi automatic handgun to a smg, more and more the higher powered rifles and Machine pistols being illegally smuggled.
We have had more than 1 mass shooting in Australia. Kevin Rudd blatantly lied there. We had I think 2 in 2022. Also the Australian government changed the legal definition of a mass shooting. In countries like the US a mass shooting is 4 or more, in 2006 Australia's definition changed to 6 or more.
Im an uber driver in Australia and it scares me to death to think that rideshare drivers in the US need to carry a gun for their own protection. On the flip side as a rider especially a female rider getting into a car where the driver carries a gun is horrorfying. What a scary world you live in in the State's.
No plans to visit anytime soon.
😂
That makes no sense. It's way more dangerous for the rideshare driver who has money and a car to loose from a would be thug. Thus is why they have protection. 😂 Your logic makes no sense.
@S1D3W1ND3R015
Ive completed over 10k trips in Australia and never felt threatened
So from my perspective it makes perfect sense. I understand you guys live in a different world to me and I get why you need a gun.
I was just putting out there as a driver from Australia how that makes me feel. If you don't agree or understand that's fine.
@flip8702 Welcome to the world, my friend. Guns are never ever going away, and even in countries with very strict gun laws, they are present. Might as well not let your daughter out the door if you are that afraid. At least we allow good people who are lawful to protect themselves from those who do not give a rats behind about silly little gun laws and will do as they please regardless.
@flip8702 Also, if they have that intent. They will do it regardless. You are afraid of the wrong people, my friend.
@S1D3W1ND3R015
You just don't understand from my perspective. To have to carry a gun is the sad part. I feel for all you guys over there that have to do that.
I feel like you think I am putting you guys down and that is not my intention. You are so defensive and there is no need. I never said what's right or wrong.
I think the differences are two things, 1) when Port Arthur happened, BOTH sides of politics shopped shouting at each other and agreed to work together to solve for this and
B) the constitution that America has is like their source of truth and is their biggest issue in progressing anything forward. I don't believe Australia has an NRA equivalent that is also very influential in politics which is another reason why the gun laws will probably never be changed unfortunately.
It's interesting that you spoke about the "fear" of not having a gun when anyone else could possibly have one and use it. I think this is what keeps the average American locked into the idea that guns are a good thing, instead of FOMO it's FOGS - Fear of Getting Shot.
We _had_ an NRA back in the day, and their response to the gun reform was threatening bloodshed against anyone who tried to take their guns. Let's just say that didn't go down well considering it was mere days after Port Arthur.