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As a 60+ yo Australian male who bought my 1st rifle at Kmart at 17, I hated tlhe gun regs when they first came in.
As a parent taking my child to school hearing about yet another American school shooting, I admit that I was totally wrong.
And no, home invasions did NOT increase significantly.
Great comment.
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I was 18 and already owned over half a dozen firearms, all of which I had to hand back at the buyback ...at the time I was extremely angry about it, but with the fullness of time I'm so glad that it happened. How was I even allowed to have that many firearms as a teenager in the first place?!?! Boggles the mind these days...
My parents didn’t care about me using my brothers slug gun at 5yo. They never trained me to use a gun. At 10 nobody cared that I walked to primary school carrying my dads 303 riffle from the war for show and tell … even the school teachers didn’t care.
That’s how absolutely crazy our gun laws were…..
our gun laws are the only real achievement of John Howard and it took guts to do it because not one of his rich donors were for it.
Cheers Barry. Obviously your comment is widely appreciated, a personal journey and advocacy for gun control in three concise sentences. Excellent. $0.02
First of all we didn’t TRY gun control. We actually did it. There was no TRY about it.
Do or do not there is no try
Spoken, Yoda has.
I support that. As someone in this world when this happened, the outrage of this incident urged the government to take action. And it worked.
It seems that you don't realize that there are more guns in Australia than ever. So much for gun control.
So how come there so many shootings I'm Sydney atm? Gun control aye?
Being Australian, the buy back was the best thing the government did. It certainly has made our country safer.
@@apollyon185 Cool response. Very Trump like debate response. Now got any facts to back it up?
The only people who are made safer are the politicians. They don’t care about you.
I mean it was proven factually by the fact that there haven't been any mass shootings since I believe. I don't see how it wasn't one of the best things that our government has done when it worked out.
EDIT: I was wrong about the mass shooting part as I commented before watching the video but still there are very few shootings here let alone mass shootings.
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@@metakarukenshiwhat’s trump got to do with Australia?
The commentator is pathetic and his ignorance astounding. Tasmania is a state of Australia .. The murder happened to live there your idiot.
Gun control worked. It was successful. Any negativity seems to come from a place other than Australia.
Can you explain something. It shows in the first graph how homicides are down in 2016 by a significant amount. Yet in the last graph it tells that gun lobby folks have influenced things to where private gun ownership in 2016 is back (or more) than it was when the mass shooting happened. So... correct my ignorance, guns are the same in 2016, yet homicides are down in 2016, but the homicides are down because of gun control?
@@stanleymyrick4068 The number of guns owned is irrelevant. It's the type of gun and who owns them that is the important factor.
No it wasnt, we have more gun crime now than ever.
I grew up with guns around me on our farm. My father was among other things, a sniper in the army. Who taught me about fire arms at a early age. *I personally like the current status quo.* _So don't crucify me for the next statement._
The main reason, the US has a second amendment was to keep a check on *government overreach* _(tyrannical governments)._ We have not faced that here yet. Perhaps a point of argument for _some_ regarding COVID. But their is good logic in that amendment, since historically all governments either get taken over, or become "bad" eventually.
*Perhaps, that's why so many western country's are now becoming autocratic in nature...* _They understand the people have no ability the fight back, and how do you vote out bureaucratizes_
@@stanleymyrick4068 as @themaxpowerway says, the control is over who and what, not how many.
Prior to 1996, anybody and everybody could have any firearm they wanted so they were everywhere. Rural areas, cities and suburbia.
That’s not the case anymore. Now they’re mostly rural areas where there is genuine reason to have them and if they want/need multiple weapons.
Given that the population has increased by over 40% since 96, you’d also reasonably expect some increase in numbers from that as well.
Here’s the facts- this IS NOT a very touchy subject at all! The video you saw was on an American website hence those comments were mostly from Americans. Australians aren’t divided on this issue at all, no touchy-ness. It’s a no brainer.
@@hamzahsayangSpeak for yourself - as someone living multiple hours from any capital city, every gun owner I’ve spoken locally to thinks that while the laws were a PITA initially, they’re glad the changes were made.
@@hamzahsayangNot true. As a rural family, surrounded by rural families, we were unconcerned about handing in our surplus guns. We were able to keep the ones we needed to do our job. What is difficult to understand about this? Nothing was taken away that we didn’t need. The gun laws are common sense; not every Tom, Dick & Harry needs a gun. The criminal element who have illegal guns tend to shoot each other…win win
You are correct, it is a no brainer, give us our fucken guns back.
@@hamzahsayangExcuse me? People, such as farmers, have a valid reason to own guns, AND DO. Stop lying.
yep 85 to 90% of Australians are STRONGLY in favour of the current, or even stronger, gun control laws. this is not some lobby group at work some sort of antiNRA thing it's not because we're "oppressed" by a tyrannical government like some US rightwing media wants to tell the American public... you know most Americans don't understand Australia much, if at all, when you get people like Ted Cruise calling us "the Texas of the Pacific"
Here in Australia if someone claimed they desired a stockpile of guns to fight off the tyrannical government they'd be considered utterly insane.
or you might wonder if they lived around Mulumbimby or something
No mention of the lack of influence of the Aus equivilant of the RMA. In fact one of our minor parties lobbied for finances from the US in an attempt to scuttle the legislation. Also ALL adult citizens in Australia are required to vote. I think if all US citizens were required to vote The influence of commercial pressure groups would deminish in many areas
Only 30% of Americans are actually gun owners. Two thirds are not. It's the gun lobbies that are the most vocal and influencing the politicians not public sentiment.
@@artproff Their 600,000 registered hunters in the state of Pennsylvania Alone and over a million the state of Wyoming. 30% of 350,000,000 would be the largest standing army in the world. wake up
We'd be more likely to get drunk and punch on with the pollies.
An Aussie here. Having an automatic gun is absolutely ludicrous. I’m happy that the government of the day made the hard decisions and took them out of the population. Having been involved in a gun related incident(sorry to say), the few moments it takes for a perpetrator to reload can be the difference between life and death.
When you argue automatic it tells me you don't have any idea what you are talking about.
@@1911GreaterThanALL 😂😂😂😂😂😂 and you call me the idiot. Your country is just killing each other ……..slowly. A few at a time.
@@1911GreaterThanALLour gun control comes down to mostly its rate of fire. You need particular licences depending on the state. Bolt actions are limited in size of the magazine for example and semi automatic and full automatic rifles are different again. Semi automatics are available to pretty much anyone on a farm or transporting livestock.
I’ve owned rifles in a few states and no one stops you owning a gun if you pass the background check, own a large enough block, have access and Prussian to access a block for shooting, paid to shoot on crown land or are part of a gun club.
@@ablet85 Pump actions were sought to be banned over a certain arbitrary number. It doesn't make any sense to criminalize the difference between a 3 round tube gun and a 4 round tube gun completely arbitrary. Those sound like privileges not rights. The people who go out and commit crimes are not typical gun owners here in the U.S. - overwhelmingly drug or gang related murders or violent crimes with firearms. In fact if you discounted firearms entirely the overwhelming majority of violent crime is gang and drug related. These people often get firearms illegally and a vast array of firearms are already available making bans impossible. Regulations seen there I believe are mostly arbitrary and is the figurative equivalent of a teacher not happy with your chewing gum at school even though you aren't an asshole and put it to the underside of desks.
I agree with not having automatic weapons, but to think a criminal will obey the laws where it hurts citizens to not have a choice to defend themselves is crippling
The comments you were reading on the Bloomberg site Ryan were no doubt from US citizens. Gun control is very much supported in Australia and not particularly divisive as a topic. We do not have a culture of gun ownership and we have good regulations which means that those individuals who genuinely require a firearm can legally get it after satisfying various criteria. Gun control is a no-brainer for Australians. Our constitution has nothing like the US 2nd amendment, and I say thank goodness for that.
Firearms license for airsoft is ridiculous.
So, you live in a state capital then?
@@SoMuchFacepalmsomething like 70% of the country lives in an urban environment in Australia.
@@RealHooksy And? Op stated "We do not have a culture of gun ownership"
Speaking for the whole country like that is stupid, different places are different. You get the same problem in American cities. (More so in certain states.)
@@SoMuchFacepalm and therefore the majority don’t like guns and are in favor of gun control.
America, Home of the Brave, Land of the Free; free to carry a firearm and brave to live there. Australians aren't afraid to send their children to school.
Well said
Tell that to the parents whose kids face gang violence and racial hatred every day.
No, our children don't get shot, but they do get stabbed. I suppose that's ok with you because it wasn't a gun that harmed our children.
@@JohnnyH5 Very, very rarely as you no doubt know. Knife crime exists in the States too.
Are you serious? What do you mean, that's OK with me. NO it is not. How on earth do you come to that conclusion?@@JohnnyH5
Having served in the Australian military, I personally can't understand why people feel the need to have a gun. Once you take another person's life, you lose a piece of yours as well. I know from my experience in Afghanistan.
😭 🤗 sorry you have that to carry.
That is a bizarrely psychotic way of thinking about things. There are 868,000 gun owners in Australia that refrain from killing somebody every day. Do you need to stay away from kitchen knives and loose bricks as well?
@@celluskh6009ShutUP!
Defense and 'losing a piece of yourself' is definitely preferable to dying. You should know you killed to protect yourself right? No difference for the majority reason why Americans are owning firearms. Here the police have 'no duty to protect an individual' and the government has several examples of being incompetent or corrupt depending on the example. Why should Americans citizens rely and beholden to such a government? Also even if Australia copied one for one our gun control laws I don't think Australia would see the same rates or totals for so called gun violence due to the fact that Australia does not share the same generators for criminal convicts as the states do.
My dad was a career solider and had a lifetime interest in firearms. The bookshelves were groaning with books about firearms and their history. That said, he had absolutely zero interest in owning one. They were a tool he used in his job. Once he retired he had no need to operate one and that was his view till his passing.
I’m an Aussie in my late 60s. I’ve never been involved in a home invasion. I’ve never seen a gun. I don’t know anyone who owns a gun.
I had met 3 of the people killed at
Port Arthur Tasmania. They were my local Chemist’s aka Pharmacist, Walter Mikac, his wife and 2 very young daughters. Absolutely heartbreaking and devastating . 😢
Dont get this comment wrong though, Guns are definitely still around if you live in rural areas, theyre still pretty common. My dad and brother own a few between them for hunting purposes. So for the Americans that think we just dont have any at all that is false
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Oh yes I know farmers and Sport shooters have guns. Even illegal guns are around I guess. But personally I’ve never seen a real gun in my life. Only police with holsters with guns covered. Luckily here in Aus, if cops are just wandering the streets lol, on duty, I’ve often smiled and said hello, had a joke with a few and they smiled and laughed.
Probably because we don't go around brandishing them like gun worshiping Americans. I'm pretty sure my uncle has a gun because I remember they had to shoot one of the cows when I was a kid. But I never saw the gun. They would also sometimes have roo hunters staying in the shed and we would be told to stay inside or in the yard when they were out hunting. But I never saw a gun. That is the way they should be. Used only when absolutely necessary and kept far away from children.
@bernadettelanders7306 oh sorry my comment wasn't telling you you're wrong because you're not wrong, i probably couldve worded it better. it was just so Americans dont warp it to think we dont have them at all.
@@somerandombitch3866yeah we used to live on property and my mothers family and dads friend did to they had guns but only to protect their investments because they had cattle that if they lost one they lose a lot of their money they used it to kill dingos who would maul and kill then so for that purpose I got no problem with rural properties owning them especially since they were so careful and always locked them away in a safe.
I recall Port Arthur like it was yesterday - we were horrified
And regardless of what you thought of John Howard, he had widespread support and we are grateful for his strong move
We don't NEED guns in society - and we are all safer for it
Even if you discounted firearms crimes entirely from the U.S. we would still have a higher violent crime rate. The vast majority of violent crimes are those with those committed by repeat offenders and those with gang or drug affiliations. We don't see the same statistics relating to intent in Australia. Even if you copied our gun control laws to the letter Australia still wouldn't see the same rates of violent crimes with firearms. The intent and motives of criminals here are entirely different, the scope and severity is entirely different.
@@1911GreaterThanALL
So the solution is to not control guns at all?
Good solution.
@@n.rlanos1093 Are you honestly equating American gun controls as NOT regulating firearms at all? Talk about ignorance.
@1911GreaterThanALL How bout you fucking try?
How bout you start convincing people you know that guns are worthless? Maybe then they'll tell other people and it'll start to catch on.
I am 54 years old and lived in Australia my entire life. I have never seen any massive spike in home invasions or do I know anyone who has had their home invaded.
My brother had his house burgled twice, both times new years eve. They figured out the first time he wouldn't be home for the second. In my opinion they don't want to waste time with a home invasion. Its get in, get out asap.
Just for the record, he stays home on New years now :)
@@lozinozz7567he was robbed by his own friends both times, because they knew he sells drugs and stole it..
I am Australian, 72 years old, and have not even locked my house doors for most of my life. House broken into once when I was a teen.
@@kimduncan5356 exactly, its druggies doing robberies these days, and they tend to only rob other druggies..
@@4kays160Just hide your car keys. They'll likely take what you have lying around or your TV. Finding car keys just makes TV theft a lot easier.
I travel to the USA a lot. False beliefs I've actually heard Americans express about Australian gun laws:
"Guns are illegal in Australia" - no they're not. There are just very strict laws regarding firearm possession.
"You can't defend yourself" Australian law does allow self defence - you just don't need a gun for it and never have here. It's not a valid reason for applying for a gun licence.
"It's a violation of the 2nd Amendment!" (one of the more stupid ones I've heard). Australian Constitution...... US Constitution. Learn the difference.
"The Government came and took your guns". No they did not. The new laws came into effect making certain classes of gun illegal. You could either surrender them and receive financial compensation (the "buyback"), or keep them in violation of the laws (a criminal offence).
My Dad had a friend who was a cop in the far North of SA. The guy liked to go shooting, so he handed them over to him.
Americans have a “ way out there “ mentality. They yelled that the Canadian government was denying Canadian citizens guns for self defence. When you tell them we don’t want guns thanks. They think we’re the nut cases!
Also, the 2nd amendment is not about owning a gun to do what you like with it. To indiscriminately kill fellow citizens going about their daily business. But rather about having a "well regulated militia" to protect a young country from invasion. A very outdated amendment.
I am so grateful to live in Australia.
@@Maddie63869 I think if I lived in America, I would be praying for an invasion…….by a sane country. Have you ever seen the bunch of yahoos they call the Republican Party! They make the Keystone Kops and the Three Stooges look like geniuses!
@@Maddie63869 "A well _regulated_ Militia"
There were 13 mass shooting in the 10 years before Port Arthur. Then, they suddenly stopped. There's a reason for that, and that reason is gun CONTROL!
Yes, theres the same amount of guns now in Australia as there was in 96, but no auto, semi auto or other rapid fire firearms, and no more mass shootings.
In regards to the stats about robbery and home invasion, its important to know that guns were never able to be owned for self or home defence in Australia, so this argument of "people now being defenceless", is utter garbage.
We've never had a school shooting here. Our kids are safe.
BUT! You cannot compare our safety with that of the USA. Guns are ingrained in their culture. More guns than people. More guns than brains. It's a sad reflection on US society.
It seems that a vocal part of the population are more concerned with men dressing as women reading kids books, than they are with heterosexual males walking onto school grounds and slaughtering dozens of these same kids!
If nothing was done regarding guns after the massacre of little children at Sandy Hook Elementary school, then nothing will ever be done.
Sad. I can't even fathom my kids going to school and taking part in active shooter drills, and having to think about having a bullet proof backpack. Doesn't sound like freedom to me.
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Stop talking shit, There have been at least 12 mass shootings since Port Arthur.
You know lever action rifles and shotguns can still be owned. They can be fired rapidly. Also pump action rifles. The difference is now there's better education and background checks
As an Aussie I am proud of our people for the decision to do our best to keep our people and especially our children safe!
As an Aussie, I recall when the gun control laws were passed after Port Arthur. A number of Americans I knew online saw some "news" reports, and became absolutely convinced that those laws had pushed Australia into a state of complete anarchy. Apparently, the lack of guns led to every psycho and criminal out there buying up on kitchen knives and going on stabbing sprees to keep the murder rate elevated.
I am not kidding you, there were Americans who believed this was happening. It didn't happen, trust me on this. Sources vary as to the immediate effects - some suggest that there was a tiny very brief upswing in "other" violent crimes, others say it was more of a wobble. Definite decline since, in either case.
Are there still illegal guns out there? Unquestionably. But ANY kind of shooting is rare enough that it often garners a mention on the news. We don't feel any need to post security guards or have mass shooting drills in our schools either.
My own thoughts about guns and the USA. A wise man once said, Follow The Money. Private gun ownership is a HUGE industry in the USA, worth more than the entire defense budgets of most other countries. The corporations making a lot of that $$$$ don't want it to end, so they spend up big on supporting the .... correct politicians, advertising, stirring up patriotic fervor, promoting FEAR, and so on. These "interests" took over the NRA, which originally emphasized gun safety and was pro-registration, and turned it into this screaming thing whose answer to all of society's problems is MORE GUNS.
Those provably bogus "news reports" in the US that I alluded to before? I cannot begin to imagine who would have written those, or why (heavy sarcasm).
Some people might protest, "Nonono! That's paranoia. There is no WAY that US companies would be so underhanded!" My answer - Google 'Tobacco Institute', 'United Fruit Companies' or 'Boeing 737 Max' sometime.
I remember a few years ago when the NRA had some sort of outdoor gun conference. All attendees were required to surrender their guns before entry. The irony of it all.
Can you explain something. It shows in the first graph how homicides are down in 2016 by a significant amount. Yet in the last graph it tells that gun lobby folks have influenced things to where private gun ownership in 2016 is back (or more) than it was when the mass shooting happened. So... correct my ignorance, guns are the same in 2016, yet homicides are down in 2016, but the homicides are down because of gun control?
@@stanleymyrick4068 Gun ownership continues to be VERY restricted in Australia. You can't just buy a gun, ANY kind of gun, just because you want one - there is an entire lengthy vetting process to go through. Including explaining WHY you want one. Conceal-carry permits are unknown. Police run regular checks to make sure licensed gun owners are doing the right thing. In many instances, you might be licensed to OWN guns, but all ammo must be stored at the licensed rifle ranges where you are actually allowed to fire it. There are other elements as well, I do not claim to be an expert in this field.
Finally, the majority of Australians don't see unlimited private gun ownership as a fundamental civil right. There is that huge cultural divide as well.
@@stanleymyrick4068I would also look into who owns and how the guns are used. We don't have weapons of war. We have a healthy hunting/gun club membership. Guns are used in rural areas, used for gun club competitions, used for skeet shooting, feral game hunting ,etc. This isn't a gun-free zone. As our population increases, so does the total number of guns in circulation. A VERY different circumstance to what is happening in the US... no matter how much a certain type of person in the US hates it.
@@stanleymyrick4068 The video is American-produced and misunderstands quite a lot.
Gun violence is not about how many guns are in Australia. The gun laws regulated the type of guns and who could own them, and required gun registration.
Gun lobbyists are not influencing more people to buy guns. The number of people in Australia who own guns is down by 75% from 1996.
The rise in number of guns is because the individuals who already own guns are buying more. My dad, as one example, owned a rifle as a boy on the farm. Dad would update his gun, but keep his old gun for sentimentality, and he also inherited his dad's guns, ending up with four but using one.
Gun lobbyists are influencing relaxing of what is banned, which is being pushed back against now by the state and federal governments. This is the issue that prompts the call for vigilance.
John Oliver did a really good piece on our gun laws. The reason they picked Port Arthur for a penal settlement was the geographic location made it close enough to impossible to escape from.
It can be rather hard to find the full John Oliver interview these days. The best I can find is it broken down into parts
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Yup. One way in, one way out. And, it was a short distance from that monsters' home.
@@sethmccready He is now reported to be a Demented, Obese, Blubbering Mess as he already was mentally ill before this all happened.
@@NicksBikes Yes, that's sad. Also, nowadays they make him wave his hands around (I call it flap-doodling). It's like body language in all caps.
I'm in the UK....same sort of laws. The USA is just batshit, I would never dare send my kids to school there
And our (UK) gun laws were also changed immediately after a mass shooting - Dunblane Scotland School shooting - we had a buy back of guns and a change in legislation and since then no mass shootings at all. It makes you think, doesn't it?
@@sharonmartin4036 only if you're not from the USA, they don't seem to be able to think when it's regarding their damn guns 🤬
@@sharonmartin4036 Cumbria and Plymoth
@@throwawaytrash33 I was specifically speaking of school shootings, however your point is taken.
@@sharonmartin4036 "then no mass shootings at all"
In Australia, no one says the shooter’s name, or shows his image. At Port Arthur there is a memorial to those who died in the massacre, but it’s very low key and discreet, and you really have to go out of your way to find it. I visited a couple of years ago (I had also been before the massacre). It’s almost impossible to accurately describe the sheer beauty of the place, but it has the most somber, chilling atmosphere.
People don’t say his name? That’s news to me as an Aussie.
Those who remember say this name, but with absolute venom.
I agree with you on the atmosphere there ever since.
@@lamsmiley1944I cared for the survivors. As a community, meaning the Port Arthur people, the Hobart area and then the state, we recognised the anniversary for many years and then we agreed that it was so triggering that we now just let the day come and go. Nothing in the 3 main papers. Nothing on the local news. In 2016 , I went with my husband to a Melbourne Hotel and stayed in it for 3 days to get away from this anniversary. We don't say his name. We don't put his image in the papers. Here I am, distressed that Ryan entered this subject with little understanding. So please, having a ward in my Hospital turned into a morgue and caring for 7 of the survivors in just my unit and having a team of carers established for every death happened. With my regards, Joy Blackberry (Tassie Joy)
@@adrianblackberry9327 Thank you Joy for your comment. I’m sorry that you had to experience that. I’m so grateful that we as a nation took action after that event, and didn’t take the path that they’ve chosen in the US.
Thank you for all you did to help the victims.
@lamsmiley1944 I'm Tasmanian with a pub and his name is mentioned semi regularly here.
I'm guessing most of those dislikes are americans
If you go ahead with finding out more about this incident, you should know that the gunman's name is never said in Australia. The families of his victims did not want his name to be remembered, even in infamy. I read a book by Walter Mikac whose wife and two daughters were killed by this man. Mikac never uses the gunman's name.
Even the movie about the lead up to the incident does not use his real name.
We even stopped the release of Peter Jackson's movie "The Frightners" that year because the main villains' resemblance to that real life monster and its actions, were just too much.
There's only one good outcome from its actions, and that's our sensible gun laws. Just a shame it took the lives of these people to be enacted.
The name of that movie is that killer’s first name spelled backwards.
@@gaiapurpure Bryan T. Martin would have been a better name.
Yet we can say Adolf Hitler's name and yes, it can be said in Germany.
I'm Australian. I have kids. I also own registered firearms, (for target shooting). I'm glad we had the weapons control laws and buyback. Now we know there is at least a record of us having a weapon. Police now know when they pull you over at the side of the road, or come to your house, that you own weapons. They can come and inspect your firearms and storage, (at least they can under Queensland law), to make sure they are secured and maintained. As far as I know it's never been legal to use a firearm for self defence, (with specific caveats for law enforcement and security guards). Home invasion statistics here are intermingled with break-ins. so it's hard to tell if they have gone down or up much, (I guess I am calling bullsh1t on that comment). All in all, Australia has proven that it just works.
I remember an interview in Australia with Cary Lake, where she said she feels so sorry for us, living with oppression, having your guns taken away” It’s inconceivable to Americans to live in peace, gun free. ✌🏼
Historically, every single tyrannical government stems from gun control. A civilization is not truly free if it can't defend themselves from oppression, whether foreign or domestic. A government cannot simply enforce its will on an armed population.
I saw that interview. It's funny when some people feel a certain way that they can't conceive another culture see's it completely differently. Guns are just a non event here.
The real oppression is having to own a gun to defend yourself.
The buyback was one the greatest things to come from the Howard government.
Frankly, I feel sorry for the Americans who seem to love their guns more than their children.
In the end everything comes down to the point of a knife or a gun when it really comes down to it what are you gonna do nothing
Here’s the thing, they talk about same number of guns as in 1996, what they don’t say is there has been a change in population in Australia from 1996 to 2023. From 18.2 million to 25.69 million. The number of guns per 1000 people is much lower now then in 1996.
A mass shooting is described in Australia is 3 or more people, using that it happens everyday in America.
And the 28 days is important, people who are going through a mental health crisis can act quickly. Given more time they are less likely to do stuff.
Personal opinion now I think if you looked at the analytics of where the down votes are coming from you’ll find it’s American, and not Australian. I get it Americans are told it worked in Australia, so why can’t it work here. So people try to disprove Australia, or change Australia gun laws to discount that argument. That argument isn’t going to ever change Americas relationship to guns. Otherwise after the first school shooting things would have changed. Let alone now. So let Australia be Australia, and America be America. Because it’s like saying can’t you be more like your sister. No you can’t, nor would you want to.
Well said!
This is all irrelevant because guns are a privilege in Australia. It's a right here. Also that's a misleading data point. Our mass shootings are bloated by habitual gang violence in inner cities with very strict gun laws. Over 90%. We would barely reach 10 a year total if those numbers weren't added. Keep in mind this inner city violence would still happen regardless because these people do not care about arbitrary silly gun laws.
Yes the two societies are very different. Australia is a rich democratic ex-colonial federal country speaking English and so is the US which can lead us to an exaggerated idea of how similar the two are. Americans adjust quickly to living in Australia but few Australians seem to move to the US. We are actually quite different and the gun issue illustrates that vividly. A friend from the US used to try to convince me that Australia would be better off joining the US because we were so similar. I disagreed then and would disagree even more now. Incidentally as I was writing this my daughter came in with four packs of prescription medications provided free through Australian Medicare. A few months ago I passed the cut off point for paying for medications subsidised by Medicare and for the rest of the year it's free. In January I'll start paying again but not more than $AUD7.30 per script, mostly covering 2 months' supply. Without a pensioners' concession these prescription medications could cost up to $AUD30 each (About $US20).
Majority of Americans never step foot outside of their country. What does that tell ya.
Yes we have guns still, but they aren’t assault rifles . That’s the difference
Wrong! We do have a semi automatic rifles, under category D of the firearms act, used by pest controllers, pastoralists. and fire arms collectors. They even manufactured here by wedgetail arms for the above categories. The reason why they started making them here is because of John Howard stupid border controls. I wish people would check their fax.
aussie country boy here and later in service to our country. Grew up shooting/ hunting - and completely support our gun legislation. Legitimate owners/users have nothing to fear. This legislation was aimed to slow down the renegade owners and I believe it has made a huge contribution to control. At 63 yrs I am still proud owner of a number of registered guns and commend the Aus government for their policies.
So many think it's a gun ban. It's merely strict gun control. It weeds out all of the dickheads who want a gun because they can and have no real purpose for it other than committing a crime.
Legitimate gun owners have nothing to fear?
Obviously you live a sheltered life. May I suggest you have a look at WA and what the government is doing.
@@sticustom so whats the legitimate reason to own more than 5 guns per person or 10 for comp shooters and farmers? do tell
@@seekhearts it varies from state to state. I can have ten guns simply for target shooting and target shooting is the reason. Competitive shooters may shoot a number of different disciplines which would need a different gun for each match. It’s not hard to have 10 or more guns. Example, if I was to shoot just pistol matches I would need a different gun for standard, rapid fire, centrefire, air, 50 metre, cowboy action, IPSC , metallic silhouette, service pistol, plus others I have missed. Cowboy Action May use revolvers, shotguns and rifles so there’s an easy 12 or more guns.
Aren’t there laws regarding the storing of sporting guns? I don’t think you can have them just lying around the house. Just asking.
I lived in Tasmania when the Port Arthur massacre happened, I was only little then but my dad was locked down in the hospital the took the shooter to, I remember my family's panic and fear. Thanks to our gun laws my kids will never have to experience anything like this. We did the right thing, to many innocent and young live were lost that day.
Lived across from the Tasman Highway then - a few ambulances here and there wasn't unusual, but when there was a steady stream, along with police, and the highway shut down to create a priority corridor between the Royal Hobart Hospital and Port Arthur, we knew something had gone down... But the media were under a gag order in Tassie.
"Thanks to our gun laws my kids will never have to experience anything like this"
And thanks to those laws, thing like the Lindt Cafe never happened. Oh wait.
@SoMuchFacepalm 2 hostages were killed (1 of them by police). The Lindt Cafe siege was not like Port Arthur.
I never noticed that increase in crime but lets be honest, crime rate is linked to societal health overall. Recession, unemployment and addiction are all pieces of the jigsaw too. It's never just one thing.
Well said
This. This hits closer to the cause/effect than a gun law. I mean, in the Video it even state that 2016 has as many guns as before the mass shooting, yet homicides are way down. So gun ownership doesn't seem to equate to shootings, even in this ad for gun law.
@@stanleymyrick4068 No, adding to my other reply to you about this - it's not about number as much as who has the guns. One person with four guns is less of a risk than four people with a gun each. Gun ownership spread across more people definitely does equate to increased homicides: "International studies show domestic partner homicides are up to 12 times higher when firearms are accessible; and suicide rates up to 19 times higher."
I think too, that being a US News site, the commenters are mostly from the US, and, well, I've heard enough US politicians just blatantly invent "stats" regarding Australia's crime rate.... these just sound like echoes.
Those comments you were reading are from Americans who actually do not have a clue about the social conditions in Australia.
Politicians actually made leadership decisions.
Tyrants the lot of them.
Who'da thunk it?
The interesting part about this is that the Prime Minister at the time, John Howard, had only been in office for a very short time before the Port Arthur Massacre, and he was a very conservative politician, heading a conservative government.
He ended up being the second longest serving Prime Minister in Australia.
Gun Laws as far as I know haven’t been watered down.
In Victoria, where I live, initially there is about a 2 month wait, from doing a compulsory safety course, and applying for a license which takes about 28 days, then when you get a permit to acquire a firearm, there is a wait of about 28 days.
Subsequent purchases however only take about 3 to 5 days to be processed, BUT! you can not buy, and take home the firearm until you get the go ahead from the police check.
At the moment, I don’t have any problems with the level of gun laws we have, and I’m a gun owner.
Great comment.
The importance of the bravery in leadership should be acknowledged. You don’t have to love John Howard’s government. But you have to acknowledge a great moment in our history.
The watering down is from what type of attachments are allowed (e.g. some silencers now approved) and the fact that some states ignore the 18 years age requirement.
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Very true
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In Victoria, you need to apply for a silencer, but only if you need it for occupational use or similar purposes.
And we have a junior firearms license, for 12 to 18 years of age.
@@cohort075 Yes, those are part of what is worrying people in the health and security sectors of government. These were banned as part of the original legislation.
Not touchy subject in Australia; we love it.
Gun ownership in Australia is legal. There are conditions though. A person who wishes to apply for a gun licence needs to be a member of a recognised gun club. All firearms owned by that person are registered. All weapons need to be secured in a substantial gun safe, with ammo stored separately. Yes, there are physical checks made by police now and then to make sure all requirements are being met. The crims though are another story.
To be honest no one’s ever checked our gun safe, it’s all by the book, we’ve just never had an inspection.
That would be to own a pistol. The laws around long guns are slightly different, and there are whole classes of guns in both that are restricted, meaning that they may not be owned by civilians. For handguns, I believe that merely being a member of a club is not sufficient; one needs to be an active member, actually participating. For rifles and shotguns, it is a case of providing a reason to have the gun, landowner permission if the gun is to be used on property other than your own, and passing the crim history check. If you have convictions for violence, then forget it, you won't get a licence.
@janedoe4471 what state do you live in? everyone I know here in Tas have had their gun storage audited
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I’m a Victorian, and a gun owner for just over 4 years, and I have never had a visit from the Peeler’s yet.
My family has lived in NSW, SA and VIC. @@Maxiakt
Home invasions never spiked after the stricter gun laws were introduced. The majority of break and enters are committed when theirs nobody home. In fact the crime rate has been on a slow decline for many decades.
Also gun crime didn't suddenly drop off either. It continued on the same downward trend that it was prior to 96.
Yes the U.S. crime rate has been in decline post 1996 just like Australia. Yet we did the opposite of what the Roos did.
I’m 33, I’m Australian. I’ve never had the fear that someone could pull a gun on me at any moment.
I don’t understand the drills in the US.
“Australia tried gun control” no, Australia HAS gun control.
All I know is that we dont walk around here frightened that we could be shot at any moment...Ive lived in Australia my entire 74 years, and I have never felt unsafe walking around here, even late at night, tho its probably not something I would do late in some areas...I live in a major city....There has never been a mass shooting since this massacre in Tasmania...The thing about having a gun in the States ,from what I know, is that most people keep them locked up, which is of no use if you are threatened thru home invasion, anyway, and the notion that you have to own a gun to protect yourself from another, just perpetuates this whole cycle. so your reasoning is spot on Ryan...If there are no guns, noone needs to own one, period...We actually have very few home invasions....Thank God our laws are the way they are here..Most of us, including myself, have never even see a live gun, including me, and I hope I never do....I would hate to live in the U.S...My nephew has a place there in N.Y, and Im always grateful when hes travelling....Overall, Australia is a very safe country to live, and God willing, lets hope it stays that way....
Yep. I’ve only seen 2 guns in my life: when I was a kid in country NSW. ( well before the gun laws) and a friends father had it on their farm for kangaroo control. The other was a friend who was a police officer. I’m 50 and have never once worried about gun violence, thankfully. It’s always so disheartening when news of yet another mass shooting in USA happens.
Some of our neighbouring countries are just as safe. I lived in Indonesia for several years in the 1970s and never heard a gunshot nor heard of a shooting. It's still like that. Likewise Malaysia, Singapore, China both mainland and Taiwan, Japan. Most of Europe is the same. Even in North America Canada is only slightly affected by the US presence.
"There has never been a mass shooting since this massacre in Tasmania"
Tell me you don't watch the news without saying "I don't watch the news."
@@SoMuchFacepalm Yes, actually I think there have been two. In 27 years. There was also an incident a few months ago at a Perth school where an ex-student stole a gun belonging to his parents and fired two shots, hitting nobody. The state government immediately prepared legislation to tighten gun regulations in the state. Hobby shooters can now own no more than four guns although the limit doesn't apply to farmers and others who need guns to earn a living.
@@rais1953 Bruh, even Wikipedia lists three in the last 10 years, and they aren't counting the Lindt Café or the Queensland shooting from last year. Raise the bar for what qualifies as a mass shooting enough and you can make anywhere look safe.
whilst the number of deaths by firearms halved the population increased by 50% over that same period.
And while mass shootings have gotten more regular in America we haven't had one here since 1996.
@@sprig5173 And that was despite the decrease in shotgun weddings.
@@oakfat5178great line, someone had to say it! NSW in Oz
@sprig5173 Where are you getting that fallacy because you guys just had one this year and last year.
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I suppose if you have fewer guns you shoot fewer blanks
Cheers from SA in OZ
I know one thing, i sleep better at night knowing that the majority of my neighbours don't own guns. Sure a few do, i live in Glebe but mostly No Guns.
me too
Don’t know anyone who has a gun in all my 60+ years. Never seen a real gun until I visited the US.
So because you think they don't own guns means you think they can't kill you? What happens when they barricade your residence and set the building on fire? Research the number of massacres committed in Australia via arson. The number is alarming. I rather fight my through a gun battle rather than die due to burns and/or smoke inhalation. Getting gunned down with you having a say is preferable to dying in a fire. You can't argue or plead with a fire and if you have no reliable means of leaving the building and the fire is large you have no chance of surviving.
As an Australian, I had a housemate once who was very mentally ill and expressed violent attitudes. He wanted a gun. He applied for a gun license. He was declined his licence due to his mental health record. That was the first time I truly considered how lucky we were to have the laws we have, in the US he could have got a gun at Target with no questions asked in many states.
As an Aussie growing up in the 1970s Dad owned a gun, we all knew about it but never actually saw it. It was disassembled and locked in 2 different boxes. Dad deliberately stored it like that because it was safe.. When Dad died in the 80s Mum got rid of the gun, she didnt want one in the house with kids..
At the time around Port Arthur I never liked John Howard, his party or their policies, however I will always be so grateful for his action on gun control. I honestly believe that he changed our future as a nation; he did what was right, not what easy or popular with his supporters, and that is leadership..
Australia's greatest PM all round. A man of conviction unlike those who have followed, except Gillard and Abbott.
The famous quote was "it will take a massacre in Tasmania before we do anything about gun violence". I ❤ living free from gun violence here.
Yes famous words from a politician 3 weeks before it became reality. Not suspicious at all. I on the other hand believe we all deserve protection not just the politicians.
@@thebagsbunch9368 yep it's amazing that so few care about what really happened
@@justice4g Thirty-five kills, moving targets, two rifles, one gunman. Bryant was no expert marksman either. I support the effect of the 1996 gun control, but the official cause stinks to high heaven.
@@justice4g we didn’t get a say they just took it all and left us all helpless.
Yep very planned and they blame a mentally disabled man for it! Disgusting
Australian population in 1996 was only 18 Million and is now 26.5 Million, so has increased by 47%. That is a significant population increase which would have been reflected in gun deaths, however as population increased gun deaths fell. The opposite to what would have happened.
All comparisons should be per capita for context
Im an Aussie and a Gun owner. There are so many misconceptions about Australian gun laws, not just overseas but here in Australia.
If you want a gun, have a reason for it and are a decent human, you can get your gun licence.
Australians consider Firearms Tools or Sports equipment.
The gun buyback was mandatory.
There are firearm stores, you can buy online, you can even import from overseas (depending they meet regulations). I bought a 12g Shot gun at a garage sale
They got a bit anal with it at the start. My Dad was a cop when the law were rolled out - He had to surrender half his gun collection and silences. Once he retired as a cop he had to go and sit for his gun licence.
You can get handguns and semi automatic if you have the correct licence.
The biggest issue is time - As everything with the government, its not a quick process and time, approval, etc differ from state to state.
1. Apply for the licence type you want and have a background check -$100
2. Wait a while (up to 6 months in some states) for approval to Go sit the Firearms Safety Course
3. Sit the one day course - Theory and Practical and pass it ($70? from memory)
4. Sit and wait for your temporary licence to be posted to you
5. Take temporary licence and Go get your photo taken for the Official licence. - It has the same legal Standing as a Drivers Licence and needs to be renewed every year or whichever length you choose - 12months is around $100 from memory
once youve got your licence
Find a gun you want, Fill out a form that includes your licence details, gun serial number, address of storage and why you want it. - That take anywhere between 1 week to 3 weeks (Depending how busy it is) - There is a mandatory 28 day waiting period for your first purchase.
Once approved they send you letter, take that letter and go pick up your gun.
Once you have a gun you have 2 weeks to take it to a cop shop and register it. - A few weeks later you receive a certificate of firearm registration with its serial number etc.
then bobs ya uncle and you can go fill a freezer or go shooting at a club or pop tins in the back paddock.
i highly recommend watching John Oliver's Piece on it and watch Jim Jefferies Bit on Gun Control
Also the bit about home invasion rate etc increasing simply wasnt true.
That had already been increasing and has continued to increase for decades. - Gun laws didnt effect that in any way. People still had guns - They just didnt have semi automatic weapons (which you wouldnt use in your own house for defence because you would kill your entire family)
we have advocacy groups and political parties for and against and like all groups/politics, Both spread mis information to justify their agenda
That's a bit that a lot of people overlook. It wasn't just "guns!" that were to be handed back - it was specific guns that allowed the rapid shooting of a lot people. the later handgun buyback was actually better administered. It is hard to find any public discourse on that one.
You are obviously not in QLD. Its about $200 for your safety course, $500 for the licence (10yr) and it takes about 9 months at the moment from when you submit your application. Well worth it though. QLD farm girl.
TBF, she did say the $100 licence was for 12 months though@@sharonbennett9747
Sounds like a whole bunch of bullshit. Sounds like things like your parole officer would require. Or a Karen would shout out to you simply to annoy you.
@@sharonbennett9747 Arbitrary, such fines are struck down here for arbitrary nature and capacious.
Possibly the last thing an Australian politician did that actually saved lives
Tasmanian here. Port Arthur was one of the sites where convicts were sent by the British in the 1800s. It’s where repeat offenders and the worst criminals were sent. Ironically it’s incredibly beautiful. Today it’s a World Heritage site and a popular tourist location. Bryant would have chosen the site for maximum impact.
@@Missymoo-ev1mr no, stealing a silk handkerchief would not send you to Port Arthur unless you had committed the offence in Van Diemen's Land and it was a secondary sentence. Those convicts who absconded or thwarted authority in Van Diemen's Land made up the majority of those at Port Arthur.
He also lived and grew up nearby and was going for maximum numbers hence the tourist site.
He lived in Clare St down the road from me. Drove around in a yellow volvo with a surfboard bolted to the roof. Full on nutter who inherited a lot of cash. He went to Port Arthur to kill Japaness tourists. None were there so he just killed anyone. Bought his guns from the gun dealer on the corner of Main and Augusta Rds. No questions asked.
I believe he was racist too so there were tourists of varying nationality there.
The issue is, states had been introducing gun laws way before the mass shooting. Port Arthur just brought the country in line to had the same strict laws. Tasmania was the main state holding out. Which is why they could do national laws after the mass shooting in Tasmania. However removing lead from petrol did also reduce more violent crimes. We also had 13 mass shootings in the 15 years prior to port Arthur, and have barely had any since.
Usually the only gun crime now is gang related with illegal guns too! 🤨 Our police monitor this closely, it's rare! 👍
I think the main think people like to forget is that this wasn't the Commonwealth forcing this on the States. It wasn't even a federal law as such ... The PM got the States and Territories together and they agreed on a minimum set of laws, but each state was still free to make its own.
Yet you still have some. The point is all countries have some form of gun violence. It is virtually impossible to have a zero gun death number. Even Australia has them. UK etc etc. The vast majority of the US gun deaths are from suicides and or gang inner city violence. If you take just 5 cities out of the statistical data we fall below the top 100.
@IdoZatTimeInaVan Don't forget the lead burned continuously in leaded gasoline. Such lead particulates are still in the air in polluted valley.
Ozzie here, I am quite pleased to not have guns, to not being afraid of being shot during some road rage incident, or, more likely, by some one you know. This is freedom.
I lived and was involved in some of the gun buyback scheme, I have some unique knowledge of this subject. A few years ago when these videos were being made the comments were getting bombed by the American gun lobby on all media platforms, including conservative fox cable tv and sky news. This happened because people in America were using our gun laws as a reason to change the second amendment in the USA. I have seen first hand the reduction in fire arm related homicide, accidental gun deaths and gun related suicides. The home invasion rate DID NOT NOTICABLY GO UP it just became less lethal.
this video was a reaction from the NRA and the AMERICAN GUN LOBBY trying to . I even found on face book during this time people pretending to be Australian police officers to spread the American gun lobby misinformation. Only provably responsible people are allowed to own guns in Australia and you have to be vetted properly by police this is why a firearms licence takes so long to get. during the gun buy back criminals and junkies would steal guns from other criminals to get the cash to buy drugs.
Those comments you read are not factually correct. Also, side benefit of only the cops having the guns, they know who the shooter is straight away and EVERYONE calls the cops if someone is out with a gun. Cops dont have to second guess who the shooter is.
Our household has 2 rifles safely stored in a gun cabinet. We cannot keep any ammunition.
The rifles are used solely for sport shooting at any of a number of rifle ranges in the region.
We have had 2 random inspections from local police to ensure we are keeping the weapons safely.
Despite the untruths you read from @ 11:00 onward, there is overwhelming evidence - as you noted from data - that gun crime and deaths have declined markedly. When we do read about gun crime and deaths it's mostly amongst criminal gangs or from people illegally obtaining weapons. Unfortunately a number of gun deaths are from police shootings of civilians that would never occur in the UK who also have a better way of dealing with gun ownership than America.
Preach
@@kadewilliams7081 Why do some people have difficulty with what a FACT is?
Precisely, the limited gun incidents since have been between criminal elements, not random targets of opportunity
Ah so the government should only have the monopoly of force. I see.
As an Aussie. It was awesome growing up without the constant fear of guns. Bad things still happen here- but there are hardly any aussies against the decision. Very grateful we had a strong government in office. (I’m not even pro Howard lol)
As far as there being more guns in Australia now than before Port Arthur, the University of Sydney found that:
The proportion of Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48 percent since 1997.
The proportion of Australian households with a firearm has fallen by 75 percent in recent decades.
Data indicates that people who already own guns have bought more rather than an increase in new gun owners.
Look at the amount of school shootings in Oz vs the US! I am glad I live in Australia
That’s the problem is people keep comparing us to America it’s all we see on the television here. I get a bit tired of it
From memory it wasn't about gun control per say, it was the type of gun. Semi automatic and I think centre fire guns, with the exception of shotguns although pump action were considered semi automatic, these types of rifles (not guns) were outlawed and an amnesty was introduced while the buyback was current. Hand guns were illegal in Australia for private citizens unless they were a member of a gun club, or for use in certain security industries. I haven't owned a gun in 20 years so therefore aren't up-to-date on current gun laws.
In Australia we played with toy guns when we were children then we grew up and stopped playing with them but apparently US citizens never grew up and changed the toys for real ones and continue to kill each other. The same happened in the UK Handguns were banned in the UK in 1997 following the 1996 Dunblane school shooting, which killed 16 children and their teacher. Peace out.
We also banned lolly cigarettes. Remember those?
@@AnneMB955 You can still buy them. They're called "Fads" now. My guess was the name change had nothing to do with smoking, but the rise of what would be later known as "the Alphabet People."
Hi Ryan, thanks for having a look at this contentious topic
The no-gun-laws supporters always pick statistics which are misleading and miss the point. Here are some which really paint the difference between our 2 nations, as regards guns.
In the last 27 years (since Port Arthur) Australia has had ZERO gun massacres, and we’ve had NO shooting at a school.( Compare this to an average of 3 school shootings per day in the US, where being shot has become the leading cause of death amongst children and teens) NB:The video stated that Australia had had “mass shootings” in recent years, but these were a handful of killings which statisticians would not usually described as “mass shooting” or “massacre”).
Here are the RAW figures (no graphs!) which speak for themselves:
> In 2022, Australia had 222 homicides by weapon (i.e. guns or knives. The actual homicides- by -gun figure is lower!, but in Australia this is not recorded separately).
>222 is 8 thousandths of a percent of Australia’s total population of c.26 million.
>Now compare that low gun death figure for Australia with the USA. At c.334 million, the US population is just 12 times greater than that of Australia;
Yet US gun homicides in 2022 were 44,310 - which is 199 TIMES greater than the Australian gun homicide figure of 222.
Let that sink in. 12 times the population, but 200 times the number of gun homicides as Australia.
And it’s not because Australians are more moral, friendly, or more peace-loving or more chilled-out than anywhere else. Trust me, in a percentage comparison, we Aussies have just as many psychopaths and people with violent and criminal tendencies, as any other country has.
But…Just imagine if the USA had laws like Australia’s: using Australia’s figure of 222 as a base, we could predict that a gun homicide figure for the USA would be a similar percentage of the population (8 thousandths of a percent), which would come to about 2,672.
What a difference that is from the actual number of people killed, 44,310. That’s 41,638 extra people who would still be alive today. Think about it. Australia is living proof that it can be done, change can happen.
Lmao 😂 I love the irony of saying misleading while producing tons of misleading, misinformation, or downright lies biased towards gun control. Reply and I'll make a list for ya. 😂
sidewinder, just bugger off.
You lot can bleat about this and that amendment rights - fine keep them and own the massacres.
Don't judge Australia...different mentality ok?!
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 I'd love to see said list. I just fact-checked what I could and here's what I got:
> There have been 3 mass shootings since the Port Arthur shooting, using the classification of 4 or more deaths. 2 of those were familicide and murder-suicides, where the shooters shot their family and then themselves. There have been other massacres involving as many or more deaths using other means, but it only comes to 12 of them (including the shootings) in the last 26 years.
> The US doesn't have 3 school shootings a day. There have been 77 in 2023 as of September, and 565 mass shootings (defined this time as 4 or more people shot, including injuries) as of October. That's nearly 3 mass shootings a day, which might honestly be worse.
> I couldn't find anything about the tidbit on shooting becoming the leading cause of death among teens. That's wrong, but I did find this. The US and Australia have roughly the same suicide rates among young adults and teens (15-24). In the US, you are more likely to die from homicide than suicide within the same age range. In Australia, you are about 13 times more likely to die from suicide than homicide within the same age range, all as of 2020. Take from that what you will.
> There were in fact 222 homicides involving a weapon in 2022! Out of 377 homicides or related offences. 222 is a ridiculously small number in terms of population. In the US of A, this number is 21,156 homicides, with about 4/5 of them being gun-related (this doesn't include gun-related accidents.
> Now I get that some of the statistics I've found might be a little off, so let's do some quick maths to find that in the US, that leaves gun-related homicides at about 5 per 100,000, which is close to the official CDC statistics in 2019 of 6.3. The same maths gives us 0.8 per 100,000 for Australia, using any weapon. It's certainly not 199 times, but it is 75 times more people killed, regardless of population, and at least 6 times the rate per capita.
So yes, many of the stats above are blatantly wrong and not well thought out, but I don't think arguing against them is going to go the way you want it to. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong!
It is believed firearms ownership has dropped by about 75% since 1997 and the Australian population has increased by about 40% over the same period. There still believed to be more than 260,000 "grey guns" ie illegal guns in Australia
As a licensed firearms owner in Australia and working in the industry I can say that we have a healthy industry, with local manufacturing of great high quality products. I shoot compeitively and also hunt. The shooting sports has grown with Precision Rifle shooting being very popular.
While there are restrictions on semi automatic firearms which primary producers (farmers) and licenced pest controllers may be licensed for, bolt action, lever action, lever or button release bolt rifles and shotguns are very popular. So are handguns which are limited to competition and club use.
If I had my way, you would own no guns at all.
Yes, mandatory buy back. We don't mention that murderers name. We remember the victims. I still donate to the Alannah and Madeline foundation, two young beautiful girls that were taken so young.
About 5 years ago a media outlet did a in depth story about the US NRA. They were trying, through a third party, to influence Australian politics & thereby gun laws. The political party they used was already controversial here & was ultimately doomed but the amounts of money they were willing to use was astronomical. I now wonder if, after the large numbers of mass shootings in the US & their resulting publicity, did they find another avenue to erode our laws & thus the resulting increase of shootings here. In this case it is mainly organized crime or "borderline" terrorism but now it is the wider community. I am personally concerned with suicides & family murders particularly in rural settings after the financial / family hardships that result. Yes mental health is a huge concern but you buy a gun in 2016 (for example) & then in 2023 a family member experiences mental health difficulties then what?? I definitely agree with the Registry & Waiting periods but I also now agree with responsible storage & (?) Red flag laws - were a family / community member, especially a medical etc professional, can inform their concern to the local police & they can remove the firearm/s until there is no longer a worry. I understand a lot of people will disagree with me but until someone you love or know is taken from you too soon & violently then MAYBE you will re-think your position.
I get it. It happened in my family. Anything that restricts access to guns is, in my opinion, a necessity. As for legal guns, if families/communities voice concerns there is at least a chance ✌🏼
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I remember that. Two clowns: James Ashby and Steve Dickson were set up by Al Jazeera and were too stupid to even realize it. I would have thought the NRA would have at least twigged something wasn't right when they were confronted with that pathetic joke Ashby.
I live in South Australia and I don’t know anyone who owns a gun.
I feel very safe.
For those advocating the US second amendment.... move beyond the words "Right to bear arms" and onto the earlier phrase "Well REGULATED millitia".
Under the Australian regulations everything is classified into groupings, so the owner is licensed to certain types, and some types are outright restricted to Military and Police use only.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The 2nd amendment was written at a time when the US didn't have a standing army.
That's my understanding.
It's also my understanding that the US is subjected to corrupt levels of lobbying.
And the US is insanely violent.
No single shot muskets, as approved by the US Constitution, were indicated as illegal in our buy back! 😂
The militia were the people. Learn history.
@@nova5224 A well ordered and organised militia, under the control of an appropriately trained and qualified leader, surely! Do you mean those upstanding people who were hysterically sworn to defend their government and country, with single shot muskets? Defend from whom exactly? Has the United States of America ever been invaded? Isn't there a properly trained, and extensive, US military for that job now??
Nova. Militias were quasi military units made of semi trained civilians generally to beef up armies.
The Americans are intrinsically deluded in the defence of their gun ownership.
The so called Militias in the US are generally defined as anti democratic, racist, ultra nationalists who fantasise about violent imposition of their minority views that can only be enforced at gun point.
Over the time that total homicides declined the population in Australia increased greatly. For comparison you should relate Australia to Texas - similar populations. Comparisons should be based on per capita basis, not total figures.
Yeah so do that the gun deaths per capita are 4 times higher in the US than Australia so 4x as many people die.
I use a 15:1 ratio for population comparisons, so 200 in Aus would be very approx 3,000 in USA.
That's right, if people don't own guns here in Australia, then I have no need to have a gun myself because I dont feel I have to protect myself from some random gun threat.
But people do own guns in Australia
I was 19 when this happened, scared the shite out of me, I was so proud and still am at how our country reacted. We do get the odd gun nut whinging about the gun laws, usually on a tv show, and then a family member from Port Arthur reminds them of what happened.
To be a firearms owner in Australia is become a second-class citizen. How can you be proud of that?
Very proud. @@firebrand2619
No...the home invasion rate did not go up or off any charts...we never had that level of gun ownership for thieves to be deterred from committing crime...there was actually a decrease of home invasion because the thief was unlikely to have a gun...also Australia has social welfare so people rarely become desperate enough to the point of committing home invasion.
The Australian Constitution does not give the federal government the power to make gun laws, All gun laws in Australia are state laws, not federal law. There is no national firearm registry, although there are negotiations between states to introduce one in the future.
The gun death rate was dropping before the Port Arthur Massacre because some states were already tightening their own state laws. Queensland and Tasmania had the most liberal laws, but even Tasmania had introduced some restrictions before Port Arthur Massacre.
State gun laws were once almost uniform but some states have now liberalized some of their laws.
The state and federal governments financially support sports in Australia as a means of promoting physical and mental health. Financial grants are available to sporting clubs to both establish and expand, and this includes gun clubs.
Gun clubs financially benefited also by increased membership as club membership and training is a condition of some gun licences. In the last 20 years handgun ownership has increased 300% as more people have taken up target shooting.
People didn't think it was something they could ever do in Australia either. It was also wildly controversial here but they forced it through, and it is now considered objectively correct by most Australians.
It was agreed not to ever say that gunman's name. The movie "Nitram" explores his history - at the end the audience sat in stunned silence.
Like it or not John Howard made this huge decision and fought it throughout the country. I understand your quandary on gun ownership. Australian are permitted to own several guns but only within the law. Why in the world does one want to shoot someone else is beyond me - control control control!!!!!
Owning guns doesn’t stop home invasions. You aren’t allowed to shoot to kill unless you’re about to die
Self defence isn’t an acceptable reason to get a gun license
Never has been. You are correct. The only difference with guns now, apart from the registry and licencing, is the style of guns that can't be owned. No more rapid fire weapons. That's a good thing. No one needs those kinds of firearms for agricultural or hunting reasons.
I've always said, if you need a semi auto to hunt, you're a shit hunter.
You say that until the horror of a home invasion happens to you. You should be quiet
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Which is utter bullshit because politicians are allowed to hire men with guns for the purpose of self defence. They carved out exceptions for themselves.
@@ACDZ123 you sound like someone who voted yes, in the referendum.
Watch Jim Jefferies (Aussie Comedian) who lives in America and just phrases it perfectly into common sense that any Amercian should be able to understand. Also, as mentioned below, John Oliver did a good piece on it too which is probably a good one to react to.
A couple of notes... 1) It also had an interesting collateral effect of reducing self-harm, particularly amongst young males; 2) the penalties for crime ramp up significantly if a gun is involved meaning that guns only tend to be used against other people with guns. So there's a fairly sharp delineation between civilian victims of crime and criminal victims of crime; 3) In general Australians get a pass until it becomes obvious there are too many people doing too many stupid things. That's also why we have seatbelts, bicycle helmets and a lack of fireworks.
On point 3, we also have a public health care system, so the government have a vested interest in people not unnecessarily hurting themselves and the tax payer having to cover the hospital bills.
So,what 'stupid things' were people doing on a bicycle before helmets became mandatory? I guess you'd have to say the Dutch are doing 'stupid things' right now as they don't have to wear helmets when riding a bicycle.
@@sara_387 The Dutch don't seem to see that as a problem as cyclists don't have to wear helmets there. If there is a legitimate rationale for the mandatory wearing of bicycle helmets here in Australia it would be the overwhelming proportion of idiot motorists cyclists have to share the road with.
@@YourLittleDeath Cost-effectiveness of mandatory bicycle helmet use to prevent traumatic brain injuries and death (2020)
"Although the level of road safety in the Netherlands is high, roughly 78,400 injuries per year are treated at an emergency department (ED), of which 13,300 (17%) result in hospital admissions [4]. Even though the total number of bicycle related fatalities declined between 1996 (239) and 2016 (189), the number of bicycle related deaths remained at a high level with an average number of 189 casualties in the last 5 years [5]. In 1996, 20% of all traffic deaths were bicycle related, increasing to 30% in 2016 [5].
Traumatic brain injury (TBI) is the main cause of severe morbidity and mortality after an accident involving bicyclists. More specifically, 32% out of all hospitalized cyclists with severe injury has a head or brain injury [1, 4, 6]. The incidence of bicycle related TBI treated at the ED has increased with 54% between 1998 and 2012, while the overall incidence of bicycle related injuries treated at the ED remained relatively stable in that period. In 2012, bicycle related TBI was treated 43 times per 100,000 persons in the ED and resulted in subsequent hospitalization in 64% of the TBI cases [6].
Most survivors of this form of injury remain impaired for life. TBI has been associated with a decline in cognitive capacity, long lasting physical disability and handicap, and the development of mental illness [7,8,9]. The consequences of TBI often prohibit survivors from returning to full employment, reduce their quality of life, and have been linked to an increased risk of suicide [10,11,12,13]. Scholten et al. valued the mean healthcare costs and costs due to productivity loss resulting from bicycle related TBI at € 19,620 per case for the Netherlands, of which € 4940 healthcare costs and € 14,680 productivity losses per case. Total costs were estimated at 74.5 million euros in 2012 [6].
About 75% of all bicycle-related head injuries are caused by single-bicycle accidents, i.e. accidents without any motorized vehicles involved. In most cases this involves falls or collisions with an obstacle [14]. Polinder et al. (2016) identified these injuries as a priority area for prevention [15]. The use of bicycle helmets has been found to be an effective measure of preventing head and brain injuries, especially in the case of these single-bicycle accidents [16,17,18,19]. It is associated with a 51% reduction in odds for head injury, according to the most recent and comprehensive systematic review on the subject [18]. Several countries have introduced legislation, which enforces the use of helmets. Examples are Spain, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, certain states in Canada, and the United States [17]. However, many countries only require children to wear helmets. A review of population-based studies that compare injury data before and after the introduction of legislation that enforces use of bicycle helmets found decreases in head injuries and mortality in certain parts of Canada and the United States [17]. However, some other similar studies found only a small or no obvious effect of legislation on number of injuries in New Zealand and certain parts of Australia and Canada [20, 21]."
Yes, certain types of guns had to be handed in. Mostly assault weapons, semi-autos, pump action shotguns and the like. Hand guns have ALWAYS been highly regulated so most of these changes related to rifles. To own a pistol you must belong to a pistol club, have background checks and even then you are only able to purchase a single hand gun during the first year. For each different type of pistol you own you must shoot it on a pistol range 2 per year. Having been a sporting shooter and the partner of a current sporting shooter we have many handguns in our household. However, they are all in a safe which can be inspected by the police at any time, each is registered and the ammunition is locked up in another cupboard, most definitely not for self defence. Sure some criminals still own illegal firearms but we rarely get shootings in Australia which is how it should be.
Today in Australia, most of the gun related violence and gun homicides are related to gang incidents. Yes as the illegal drug trade is very lucrative in this country the tension between the players is big. If you are involved you run the risk of being taken out. The rest of us have very little to be concerned about.
Talking about the illegal drug trade there are some that are arguing for a de facto form of 'quality control' for the drug peddlers by having pill testing at music festivals. Genius.
@@YourLittleDeath I totally agree with pill testing, but don't just limit it to music festivals. It should be legally available to any user at anytime. The majority of pills in Australia aren't consumed at festivals. As we see from countries like America you do not know how adulterated with extremely dangerous and more profitable additives the choice has become. Personally I would like to see criminal sentences for users reduced and suppliers increased.
My original comment related to gun violence in Australia and the fact that the majority these days relates to gang issues fighting over the control of drug distribution and illegal activity cannot be denied. In the 1970's as a teenager guns were used for bank, TAB, and petrol station robberies. If someone robs a servo, bottle shop or tobacconist these days it's usually a kid with a knife. Separate to that are the tobacconist shops being torched by gangs involved in the illegal importation of tobacco. Again gang violence.
I welcome your previous comment, just wanted to expand on my feelings.
Same in the UK, self-defence is not a reason to have a gun.
I'm so grateful I went through my schooling and never even had the thought that someone could turn up to my class with a gun.
The video you watched seems to be targetted at Americans. Bloomberg isn’t a big thing here. This probably explains the negative response - I would have been largely from Americans. Be especially wary of the comments.
For example, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, the home invasion rate has been steadily declining. There was a very recent small rise but only because of an abnormal drop due to the Covid lockdowns.
I second those calling for you to have a look at John Olivers (3 part) video, and keep in mind the age of these, all I will add is that in my opinion the caliber of politicians in the US has decreased significantly since then. Also, Jim Jefferies sketch on gun laws is good for a thought-provoking laugh.
I think both here and much more so in USA, the lobbying and fund-raising model has become unworkable. Yes, a means of presenting requests and points of view to pollies is needed, but it has to be one where money is irrelevant to whether or not you're given access, or how much.
NRA might be a glaring example of an industry holding the political system to ransom, but there are many more wealthy interest groups doing the same.
John Oliver is very enlightening.
From Australia here, and we just strengthened the fun laws especially in western Australia. You now cannot even buy an air rifle here unless you have a licence and most the time it's denied.
The number they are using for guns now in Australia is counting decommissioned military guns. That couldn't fire, pretty much a momento.
Also not a touchy subject here in Australia everyone agrees no one except a farmer needs a gun. And even that is rare.
As a Pommy coming to Aus in late 60s I nearly had heart failure at seeing a policeman with a gun, let alone a civilian. Still not crazy about seeing them tbh
And that's how it's done America.
This could turn into Ryan's rabbit hole, and I'm looking forward to it.🤙
Proud Australian here, and I'm also a law abiding gun owner. I wasn't sure if anyone else has answered this yet, but I just wanted to give some context behind the "28 days" part of gun ownership. So when you get your licence (if they approve you for one), and you go to buy your first gun, what happens is after you pay for it (either in full, or through a lay by set up), you have to wait 28 days, before you are able to collect your gun from the shooting supplies shop. We call it the "cooling off" period. What I was told when I brought my rifle, is that the store use the 28 days to run any further background checks that might be necessary (i.e. with your Doctor if you have a medical condition. With the police to make sure that you don't have any kind of a record or if you do, to make sure that its not one that will put anyone at risk if you own a gun, etc). Now I believe for everyone who buys their first gun, it's a 28 day waiting period, but I think after your first gun, I don't think you have to wait the whole 28 days for any other purchases down the line. So to speak. I hope that makes sense.
It takes 28 days for the police to do a criminal record check?
@@YourLittleDeath I should have clarified further, in this 28 day period, while doing the background checks, the Police also keep a keen eye on you and your record. Because when you buy a gun, you have to submit a Permit to Acquire for that weapon, it's a lot easier and quicker for the Police Weapons department to process your permits after you have already proven that you are a responsible weapons owner. So any Permit that you submit after your initial one, tends to be processed quicker. I think with my dad's last one, he only had to wait one or two weeks. But if you have never submitted one before, the police are not aware whether you are going to be a responsible weapons owner or not, and so they make you wait the mandatory 28 day period, because if someone was to do something very stupid, which would cause alarm bells to ring off, it'll happen during this time period. So it's a case of, the cops wanting to do their extremely thorough background checks, which could include them coming out to your property and checking to see that you have an approved firearms safe, as well as making sure that you are not someone who might potentially do something risky or engage in stupid behaviour in the future. Hence, they make you wait 28 days the first time. I hope that makes some kind of sense.
@@YourLittleDeath It can also take them a while to process things, because of the number of permits that are submitted to them. The state Police have a specialist Weapons Branch or Department, that is set up to deal with gun ownership, weapons licencing, permits to acquire, etc. So it's not necessarily the local police officers in the same town as you, who are doing the background checks. So it can take quite a while for it to be done, not just because they are extremely thorough, but also because it's all done by the one specialist team who, this is all they do. So they might be receiving 100 permits a day, for example. So in a week, they might be trying to do background checks on 700 applicants, for example, so it can take a while for them to process yours. It just depends on where you are in the lineup, and potentially, even if they did find something in someone's background check.
Some American gun dude saw these laws and graphs and he said "Australia is not in this world Australia on another planet"...😂
Insanity is giving free access to guns to just anyone.
We dont have your second amendment so we can do it
We dont muck around here in australia, we act so quick theres no time for you to react, best thing we ever did was get rid of guns
I am glad we have the gun laws we have in Australia 🇦🇺. The number of times that we hear on the news about another school shooting in America is scary. I'm glad that they don't just let anyone roam around with guns here.
If you want a good video about gun control in Australia v US check out jon oliver on gun control
Here's my take. My father is an Australian gunsmith, so I've grown up with guns. When I hear an American say "I need a gun for self-defence / protection" I think "protection from what?" I cannot imagine living my life in that kind of fear. It simply has no place in a first-world society.
Guns are just a tool for recreation or work. And like other dangerous tools, there should be licences and safe handling practices.
The thought that people want a gun to use it on other PEOPLE is abhorrent to me.
I lived in the US for 2 years and was, frankly, terrified, especially of my child being in a school shooting. I was in my 20s when the Port Arthur happened and Australia's population was near 18 million. It has increased to 26 million since then and since Port Arthur there have been "mass shootings" but none of them have been gun related that have exceeded 6 fatalities. Those that have have been larger have been bombings or arson attacks. Most have been family violence related. All you have two do is a little research to surmise that, regardless of gun laws, Australians are (even in terms of population comparison) less likely to inflict gun violence on one another than in the US. Regardless of (but helped by) our laws we are safer.
I love how you admit that those larger than 6 have been with bombs and arson. So people killing people. Just proves that if you can't ban the hearts and minds of someone who is hell bent on causing chaos. Also statistically your kid is fine. Home invasions, kidnappings, and trafficking happen far more often. I'd worry more about that.
So as an Aussie and firearm owner there are many things overlooked. first the gun buyback that happened was voluntary and no questions asked.
I would also point out that there are many hoops to get a firearm. first you need a license. to get that license there is a background check as well as a written test requirement that iirc when it took was general firearm use and safety that was and auto fail if you got 3 or more questions incorrect,
as a final step. you had to have installed and provide evidence of your gun storage that it met fixing requirements, ie bolted to floor etc. and Police may call in to inspect, (this hasn't happened to me yet) you also must have membership to a gun club that is current and is checked up on annually by police with the clubs. If you are rural proof of farm ownership or documented approval from a farmer is also accepted.
this means the only legal pace to use firearms is on the farms or licensed shooting ranges.
Firearm licences are broken down into categories that define fire arm types. but you are not limited to the amount of categories or firearm numbers.
all military grade firearms. automatic, and firearms exceeding certain caliber. like 50 cal and some shotgun rounds are banned except for licensed collectors often modified to not function.
while some feel this is all excessive once you have the licensed there has been no problems, like I own 3 myself. its a safe bet the process screens out alot of people who should not be-able to get one. Firearms are also only purchasable from gun shops nothing like a supermarket
gun violence still happens here alot. however its either from organized crime with unlicensed firearms. or rare domestic disputes usually rural with the owners own weapon. so yeah last i heard its was like 2 firearms per house hold. not saying that everyone is armed just those that are have more than 1. and the process to get on means the most responsible have them and out organized crime is smaller scale to keep contained.
I always thought the 2nd Amendment was to bare arms against the British. Not against fellow Americans, as is the case now. As usual, to many vested interests and money . Hopefully we will never get to the same level gun ownership here in Australia as the US. 🇦🇺
I’m an Australian gun enthusiast, the regulations are fine by me, I own several. They aren’t hard to get as long as you store them properly and pass the safety test and background checks.
Only 26, so I didn't live through this, me or my immediate never owned a gun and I live in the city, so I probably don't have as much an informed position as to its pros and cons with how it effected people. But it's one of the things I feel most patriotic about. It's just great feeling safe compared to hearing there's a mass shooting every day in America, and I hear you need metal detectors in every build. I don't know the exact stats, but I'm very happy to live with these laws.
Yeah not a touchy subject here in Aus. I’d say it’s actually one thing the majority of the country agrees on. First of all any home invasion increase could be contributed to a vast majority of things, social stress, growth of population in high density areas, increasing drug addiction etc. As someone who has been robbed a number of times, once whilst being in the house at the time. I was a bit scared but didn’t resist he didn’t hurt anyone, he was just desperate for money. Got what he wanted and was on his way. No one got hurt, which is the case here in MOST home invasions. I don’t care about my things… I can replace things. Bring guns into play people shooting at each other.. You can’t replace people!! Of course we are not immune to violence but I’m not thinking and worried about my kids being shot at school or there being a mass shooting at an event.
very well said
Agreed. An overwhelming majority of Aussies would say that the right decision was made at the time, and like things the way they are. Gun ownership is a privilege and not a right.
Like most countries in the world where gun ownership is strictly controlled, it means that the police typically have more firepower than the criminals, don't have to fear that every encounter with a member of the public is a potential life-threatening situation, and are therefore calmer and not as trigger-happy.
Of course there are other factors too - having unemployment benefits and free universal health care improves the lives of many poor people so they don't get desperate enough to turn to a life of crime. Most criminals are either 1. petty criminals of opportunity 2. Drug addicts needing cash for the next hit or 3. Grew up in a community where criminals are the ones with money and it seems like a good career path.
Every mass shooting we hear about in the US make us thankful that "there but for the grace of gun control go we"
There maybe more guns, but ti doesn't say what type of guns. Probably less assault type of gun.
I keep seeing comments going on about that there are more guns now then in 1996. But you have to remember that a) there are more people in Australia now than there was in 1996 (approximately 8.2 million more) and b) that it's the type of guns that you are able to buy that makes a lot of difference.
My dad had rifles in the 90's for hunting and did the buy back thing and bought a boat. He was very sad but didn't have a property to go hunting on anymore so couldn't get a gun licence. He was happy with his boat. We used to go 'shooting' out on my cousins land for wild pigs (boars), foxes, rabbits, and feral cats out on a massive property out in Western QLD. It's much harder to do that stuff now, but that's fine with us. I'm a teacher and would hate to fear having something happen at work (it's hard enough to teach these days).
Ryan, Thank you for the video. The comments about the video reflected the negativity of the likes/unlike. Home invasions did not rise. Risk assessments and rare (floods, fires mass shooting) events assessments methods show direct linkage between the gun policy and reduction in gun related deaths/accidents. Whilst anyone can argue that stricter gun laws are wrong, don't do so by making false claims about a policy that achieved its stated aim of reducing gun related deaths/accidents. Thanks again for the video.