The worst thing about this comment is.... it could be possible since every completely functional beatdown-deck technically could be considered Man Eater Bug beatdown if you just stuff a random Man Eater Bug into it.
It's not an inherently bad card given that you're able to dump 3 monsters from your hand into your GY. Given the right deck that can abuse that, I'm sure it can have a competitive spot.
@@nunocarvalho6671 Its also used in a "speed farm" deck where you waste your keys to quickly get 4k assesment by using montage dragon in a deck with a bunch of level 10 non-earth monsters with draw sense: Earth.
ive done that before with an opponents rocket arrow expess. they summon turn 2, attack. i magic cylinder. turn three i summon, activate enemy controller and steal it. kill them with their own card. it was a beautiful moment. needless to say he never played that card again
Done exactly this and its still one of the best duels I've ever played, my friend went first and set 1 card, I went second and summoned montage, he beat me in 1 turn
Its broken in a dark palidan deck. You discard 3 monsters (Can use Dragon Type) to summon. You can even use reasoning X3 Montage, X3 Dark and lightness dragon, X2 Chaos Emperor dragon. Reasoning needs banned because of this fact.
Makes me think about Ritual Summoning which is per se a hefty minus. Sending a Ritual Magic Card and most of the times 2 monsters to the graveyard really makes recovery pretty hard. I guess that´s the reason why Konami keeps making OP ritual support.
@@LegendaryAntiHero thats a nice idea except for a small problem a lot of cards have the "same name" like blue-eyes white dragon or searchable through different cards take chaos form for example so many card's can search it and blue-eyes in the grave is easy af imagine how easy it is would be to summon chaos max or how broken nekroz would be because they can discard themselves to search.
By extension: This is why Nekroz were broken. Because they took all the good of Ritual Summoning, and literally threw away the rules they didn't like about it. (you must ritual Summon from the hand, by Tributing monsters from hand or field, and your Spell/Monsters have no other purpose-All gone). Also helped they had Trish, Shurit, Unicore...
fun fact , summoning Montage Dragon with exactly 3 level 12 monsters yields an attack equal to 10800. for those who got what i am saying this card was made to become a pure meme if you understood what it's attack refers to in relation to it's name.
For DL players: This card is pretty useful on Duel Links for gem farming at the gate. Draw sense Earth + a bunch of high level monsters, lvl 40 joey, 2x rewards and have fun leveling up your characters
Note that you need to max out Trudge's level to get your only copy of the card... Otherwise, yeah, go nuts, though only with characters you have Draw Sense Earth with if you want to level them up.
If your plan is to level up characters, I‘d rather not use Montage Dragon for that. It‘s too slow, since you‘ll use level 10 duelists for saving keys. You‘ll be better off with a bunch of monsters which can be special summoned easily. for example: Red-Eyes, Blue-Eyes or basically any high-level normal monster, so that you can use ancient rules I prefer Red-Eyes since it has a lot of draw and discard options.
Montage Dragon is good because you're getting 7-8 chests against a lvl 40 duelist (2x Rewards), meaning that you'll very likely gain extra gems, SRs and URs not only Exp. Yes that's for old school players that have a ton of keys, but I think it's still the most optimal way to lvl up your characters due to the extra gems you gain.
Any extra gem income is good, you've got to think that those lvl up rewards gems are already yours. But yeah if you just want to lvl up your character, any otk strategy (koaki meiru, dragos, heroes) is very efficient
I remember pairing this card with my Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon and using this card to send strong dragon monsters to the grave so I could just special summon a crap ton of of powerful monsters to the field with red eyes' effect. Good times...
Best use I've seen for this card was in a malefic deck. It was being used as a way to get some value out of all the high level bricks you need to run and the malefic monsters you don't plan on summoning. Usually hits the field with around 9000 atk points.
During early 2018, I used Montage Dragon in my Dark Warrior deck as an experiment, it was just an extender with the added benefit to keep my monsters in the grave, it is also a trade-in target like plasma and the other lv 8 D Heros. I took it out eventually. since it was only good as a combo starter or as a discard fooder, but after turn 1, it had no use
I only remember it 'cause it was the first non-synchro lv8 monster summoned in the 5Ds anime. I think it was Officer Trudge's ace before he ran Goyo Guardian.
To fix this card: (for me) Cannot be normal summoned or set, must be special summoned from your hand by discarding 1 or more monsters, Cannot be destroyed by card effect Gains 200 ATK X the combined levels of all monster discarded for this effect. (Starts with 1500/0 )
It‘s always annoying to watch the attack getting reduced when monster cards get flipped face-down (with paleozoic canadia for example) or banished (with the U.A.-trap for example). As a matter of fact, the paleozoic archetype is already annoying by default.
Imo Montage is better than the god cards just for the sole fact that you can otk with Montage by sending 3 lvl 12 monsters. I made a handful of people salty by doing this but quit when karma hit me with magic cylinder
@@zachsteiner Ok so Montage gets 300 per level. The theory was 3 lvl 12 which is 12 x 3 = 36 lvls. You take that 36 then multiply by 300 which gives you a 10,800 atk Montage dragon which will otk if not dealt with. It was a troll deck with the power of a neutron star.
Saw the Video today. I run two Montage Dragons in my Malefic Deck. These guys got me through 3 Local Tournaments and do now recide as Lucky Charms in the Side Deck. Montage Dragon was a great addition for my Deck because it happened quite often that I got a bad Hand with either no Malefic World (or Terraforming...) or a bunch of the Monsters required to use their Malfic Counterparts. So I used Montage Dragon and got a huge Beatstick with mostly over 9600 ATK. (My Opponents Reactions were priceless!) And even if this Card is kinda useless by todays Standards, I'm sure I'll find another way to use the Card. Thank you for reminding me of the good times I had in the Past with my big boi. ;) I also subscribed to you. And please ignore the bad grammar, typings or misspellings.^^! I am from Germany and I do not often write into Comments.
I used to run Montage Dragon in my old red eyes darkness deck. 3 dark bribe and 3 solemn judgements, along with 2 light and darkness dragons. Haven't played the TCG in 17 years, but in that deck, Montage ruled over all. I miss old school Yu-Gi-Oh.
Someone's gonna go to a YCS with some meme otk deck with this card as the major win card by sending some random set of three cards that happen to be op when sent to the graveyard and don't care about the wording of "Sent to the graveyard" and have like maybe a decent record and if it gets featured ONCE on stream people are gonna be flipping out about it. Don't even care if it tops, it's gonna show up eventually just because someone called the card "bad" (not saying it isn't bad, i'm saying someone will try to use it despite it being bad)
I love these videos man, thank you. Congrats on your anniversary by the way! Also, possible zombie/other graveyard deck synergy? (Not arguing for competitive validity, just curious about your thoughts on that!)
I remember playing this in blue eyes when i started playing. Thats what i really like about the "why nobody plays" series. It lets me laugh at some wierd card choices from back in the day. Thanks for the videos. =)
I wonder If Montage Dragon would be helpful in a zombie deck for quick and selective milling of different zombie monsters in the hand straight to the grave to activate their effects?
I remember running into a deck on Duel Links that was literally just Montage Dragon and a bunch of high level monsters. One enemy controller and that deck was done.
Yeah, I can see why it would be pretty flawed. I use it in a Yubel deck in Duel Links, and rarely ever get it on the field, but when it works, it works pretty well as a last resort if I just have 3 or 4 Yubel forms in hand (which has happened, the deck bricks a lot). As a side note, maybe do Jar of Avarice for a "Why Nobody Plays..." episode? On paper, it should be pretty decent with it adding 5 cards back to your deck and letting you draw one, so is it just held back by its Trap card status or is it just not as good as it sounds?
it's mostly because it's a trap and those are slow, but people played pot of avarice mostly for the +1, which jar of avarice doesn't give, while it can shuffle back any card i can't use it in my startup turn to refresh my deck and try for more extenders which pot of avarice can (or could since it's banned)
@@hikarisdemon true, it's not bad later game in Exodia if it goes past turn 1, it'll speed things up quite a bit if you brick and don't draw more draw cards
I've used Montage (obviously not competitively), in the digital YGO games, and I just want to point out that having multiple copies of Montage is great, solely because Montage has so 8 stars, so you can use other copies of Montage as your sent monsters to boost the ATK of the one you're trying to summon. If you have three blue-eyes and any other monster, you've got a hand full of garnets, but if you have multiple Montages, one Montage can use the others. (I am of course aware that Blue-eyes can be summoned from the grave while those Montages can't.)
@Matt Eru Still requires quite some setup. I guess maybe 1 Five Headed Dragon could be a late game option for dragon decks, but that's all there really is to this card.
Can only be destroyed by light monsters, so that gives it better protection than Montage Dragon. It's not that hard to summon in a Dragon deck if you have the extra deck space for it. Five dragons isn't that difficult for a Dragon deck, BUT that also depends on what Dragon strategy you're running. Then again, imagine 3 5-Headed Dragons attacking directly when you don't have a mirror force down.... it can be scary sometimes, admittedly. Sometimes you need a big beater and well not much is getting over 5k. All in all, it's not that bad. It could be better, but at least it's better than the Egyptian Gods in terms of viability. Let alone Montage Dragon unless you discard the max level monsters you can for like 10800 atk. TL;DR: it's not that bad of a card, has better protection than most boss monsters similar to it in terms of atk, and it's relatively easy to summon and if your opponent doesn't have a light monster that can beat over it, they have to hope for an effect that gets it off the field. They won't always draw an out so they're basically screwed if they can't get rid of it
I remember seeing this guy in the very first episode of yugioh 5d's getting his ass handed to him by junk warrior. Can we get a "Why nobody plays Cracking Dragon" next, to keep in theme ?
Can you do a “Why no one plays Tualatin” video, It had some good potential for countering certain popular decks while being easy to summon. It’s a good side option as a floodgate for games of 3. I haven’t seen anyone play or cover that card.
Because Nordics are required for the Gods, and the archetype is really slow not to mention they each need one of three variants, making them not work together and most likely require three monsters to do it. The Nordic Gods themself unlike in the Anime have to banish a Nordic meaning it will run out of fodder, it also can easily be banished or bounced or anything. Loki only gets rid of a single spell/trap on the feild, Thor only negates one monster effect. Odin is the only one worth anything and even then it quite simply isn't worth the effort and the archetype struggles to make it. So no. It has never seen competitive play, mostly because the archetype is required and is pretty bad and even if it pulls it off, it isn't particularly worth it.
I rarely played Montage (always for fun) for its on-field effects, but rather for the discard (although if the on-field effects won me the duel, oh well). Granted, this was back when Soul Charge was still legal to play. Have a BKB or two, and something else with decent attack plus decent effect such as Jinzo or with an effect that can be activated from the GY such as Dandylion (remember this was a while ago). Montage out, sending the others to the grave, and beat down with Montage for as long as it survives (likely no more than one turn). Then, next opportunity, Soul Charge to get all those beatsticks out of the graveyard. I also used it to get fodder in GY for Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End. Worked well in a Dragon deck with Dragon's mirror. I liked combo-ing Montage with The Creator as well, but again, in just for fun decks.
Blue eyes the most iconic monster? What about Dark Magician, Dzeef Kaiba? LOL. Love the videos, keep up the great work. Would love to duel you one day if you ever come to London, England.
_Digs up his old cooy of Montage Dragon._ Well look at that. Don't know where I got the "sending *atleast* 3 other monsters" thing from. Payed up to 6 level 7-9 monsters to summon it many times against friends.
Just in case you're ever interested, I have made some Montage Dragon themed custom cards on Dulingbook after watching this video, but I understand completely if you don't care too much. Anyhow, nice video discussing an alright card, shame it didn't get much of a break.
Montage Dragon seems like a good card in theory, but in order to use it you have to give up monsters with a strong level multiplied by 300. I don't know about going a minus 3 just to gain a big attack advantage, but people play how they play sometimes. I still remember back to "On Your Mark, Get Set, Duel!" where that beast almost beat Yusei all by itself!
The best play I've ever seen with a Montage Dragon was actually in Duel Links. Dude had 3 different Yubel in their hand and had a 9900 Montage as a result. Still not very good because that is SO specific and I didn't have a trap ready.
My friend with blue eyes ultimate dragon: you’re finnished in my next turn Me who just drew montage dragon with 3 egyptian gods on my hand: THERE IS NO NEXT TURN
I'd also like to say that extra deck monsters can also be cheated out much easier than the gods or Montage Dragon as there is level manipulation, fusion substitutions, and resource management meant to cheat out good extra deck monsters that can only make it a minus 2 or even a minus one in rare occasions. Whereas you cannot use this resources for the gods and level manipulation, like a legendary ocean, would in fact hurt Montage dragon.
I mean, if In the future a deck was released where all the monsters floated or in some way gained advantage when sent to the graveyard, I could see this being used. Kinda like danger, except sent to graveyard.
burning abyss all float, but they're low level. so you'd also need them to be high level. but then you're better off playing danger instead of this because it gets you draws. making this card's cost a discard would pop it into the danger dark world strategy because it would be a +0 in card economy and prbly give you a 4k+ body.
This video has given me the desire to see someone try to pull off a Montage Dragon + EG card mix, like maybe see someone try to go second, summon Montage dragon, pitching Hero Kid to the gy, special summoning Hero kid with something from the gy, get the other hero kids from the effect, and then summon an EG and then lose anyway because it still sucks even if this would go off. But it'd be fun to see it happen.
I completely understand and kind of agree, but I have him in a dragon based deck that relies on monsters of any level being in the graveyard. Tends to work well with a dragon mirror and a five headed dragon or a first of the dragons in your extra deck and then if they get rid of those utilising monster reborn/call of the hunted etc.
Another card similar to montage dragon thats actually really good is block dragon u have to banish 3 earth monters to summon it. But it does give rock monsters u control protection and it usually replaces thoose cards when it hits grave
Time for Konami to do what it does and throw a hundred new support cards at an old, dead card and make it worth playing. Give it a bunch of weak cards with high Levels to send to the GY who's effects trigger after being sent from the hand. If you had support that was all Level 10 (but with Level 2 stats) and you sent three of them things (insert dpYGO clip here), you got yourself a nice 9000 ATK monster, and then all three of those monsters could pop off Graveyard effects. Maybe have an Xyz monster that pops over Montage Dragon, using it as Xyz material, gains its current ATK, and then protects itself. Give me a couple Spells and a searcher, and suddenly Montage Dragon is in business.
I like to side 1 Montage Dragon in my Timelord deck. Timelords tend to blow up everything often and leave my opponents field open. He makes up for much of the damage Timelords don't dish out. Still bad.deck and noncompetitive but fun.
I use this guy in my timelord deck. Pretty consistent way of getting a 9000ATK beater on board. Kinda catches opponents iff-guard, given timelord as effect endurance is a contrast to it's own effect.
According to the rules it’s not a discard as other comments have stated. If it were changed to discard and up to 3 instead of mandating 3, it would not only see play but probably be broken
David Owen yea but zombie cards activate in the GY for example mezuki can special summon 1 zombie from the GY. Other cards also activate while being in the graveyard. The card is still too inconsistent to be viable tho.
I agreed with the whole video... till you mentioned that this was a better card then the sacred beasts... It's better then Raviel for sure, and it'll win over the two others if they are thrown in generic decks, however Hamon works fine in a Crystal Beast deck as they synergise with eachother. Not really competitive, but still better then Montage. A properly built continuous trap based deck was capable of putting Uria into the competitive scene up until Links summons popped up, as a good anti-meta deck. Not top tier, but certainly much better then you seem to think. The only reason I am not including the Links era, is because it is the only format I am not familiar with.
One of my fondest yugioh memories was deciding not to play Montage Dragon. I think the best deckbuilding lesson I ever got was when I realized that in playing Montage Dragon to "unbrick" hands of high level monsters, I could still easily brick by not drawing it or drawing it when I couldn't use it. It forced me to actually think about the consistency of the whole deck.
I do see your points about montage dragon what about combining him with decks that have their card effects trigger in the grave yard (i dont mean dark worlds cause it by discard not graveyard) like bujins and so on
Could use it in a deck that loves discarding or using graveyard effects, that way you just get added benefit from using those effects and you're technically not spending as much resources to bring it out. Kinda like Graceful Charity but instead of drawing 2 cards you get a beatstick. Still probably gonna get blown up, but the beefstick was the bonus in this case, while the discard was the actual effect you were fishing for. Not too sure how useful this would be in practice, but I can see it working.
Needing to pitch specifically 3 is really rough tho. I think if it said up to 3 then it'd probably see some fringe play in janky BA or Tear decks since you can control how many you're sending.
Might be good in decks with darklords, infernity, zombie, nephthys, or lair of darkness. I guess any decks that deal a lot with getting cards into the graveyard from the hand.
Inb4 op archetype that gains advantage from “card is sent from hand to the graveyard.” Might be okay in Light of Sekka decks if such an archetype exists?
Well its going into my Buster Mage deck.. Reasoning powers up Dark Palidan because until you hit Buster Blader or Dark Magician all cards sent will be sent. Yet if I dont get reasoning with all the protection Solemns and such I can still use it.
I used to use Montage Dragon in casual play and it was sort of my signature monster in the deck I used it in but no way would he be of any use in competitive play. I am actually considering building a Celtic Guardian deck and perhaps include Montage Dragon in it.
I can actually see this being semi useful in a Felgrand Deck where you want most of your Monsters to be in the graveyard to be summoned anyways. Worst thing that could happen is you have the cards you wanted in the graveyard, and lose Montage Dragon. At best you have a 3000+ beatstick on the field that essentially didn't cost you anything since your deck focuses on having monsters in the graveyard anyways.
Commenters: "Did you summon Montage Dragon?"
Dzeeff: "Yes"
Commenters: "What did it cost?
Dzeeff: "Everything"
The hardest Summons require the largest costs.
Lmao
😂
That's against the rules isn't it?
Montage Dragon has no chance against my Man Eater Bug beatdown deck.
Klondike Legitski Rofl
The worst thing about this comment is.... it could be possible since every completely functional beatdown-deck technically could be considered Man Eater Bug beatdown if you just stuff a random Man Eater Bug into it.
Why would they use Raigeki against your Bug.... if they don't know you have it? We got the element of surprise! And that's all we need!
@@LegendaryAntiHero Don't think you can raigeki or dark hole in duel links though?
@@fireflyhighh it is in the game tho yubel used it but we can't use it
"I was wrong about Montage Dragon"- Dzeeff 2019
considering even neo space aqua dolphin is seeing meta play I wouldn't doubt someday a meta deck finds a place for montage dragon lol
It's not an inherently bad card given that you're able to dump 3 monsters from your hand into your GY. Given the right deck that can abuse that, I'm sure it can have a competitive spot.
Zombies?
@@MrLionniol so what you're saying is
Lightsworns Montage Dragon?
Skull Servant Montage Dragon?
Fun Fact: Montage Dragon is used for farming AI in Duel Links.
I use that on my yubel farm deck, only use it has
@@nunocarvalho6671 Its also used in a "speed farm" deck where you waste your keys to quickly get 4k assesment by using montage dragon in a deck with a bunch of level 10 non-earth monsters with draw sense: Earth.
What are you? A farm expert? (Big fan, JadeHex).
@@JadeHex it's his only use
it's also pretty useful in gold pvp rank ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
Dzeef: “I summon Montage Dragon by discarding these 3 cards, giving it OVER 9000 attack points. Entering battle phase, declare attack; response?”
Opponent: *flips over Magic Cylinder* gg?
Dzeef: ....gg :(
ive done that before with an opponents rocket arrow expess. they summon turn 2, attack. i magic cylinder. turn three i summon, activate enemy controller and steal it. kill them with their own card. it was a beautiful moment. needless to say he never played that card again
Done exactly this and its still one of the best duels I've ever played, my friend went first and set 1 card, I went second and summoned montage, he beat me in 1 turn
"Why I played Montage Dragon at a Regional"
-Future Dzeeff
Why no one plays X: It's a minus/doesn't have protection.
Why X is broken: It's a plus/break even/it has protection.
Why no one play X: it's broken
Your opponent draws a card: Already shit; 'Nuff said.
Too expensive and no protection
Its broken in a dark palidan deck. You discard 3 monsters (Can use Dragon Type) to summon. You can even use reasoning X3 Montage, X3 Dark and lightness dragon, X2 Chaos Emperor dragon. Reasoning needs banned because of this fact.
Because it's hard countered by Magic Cylinder, the modern Pot of Greed.
kyris0 but what does it do?
@@ragnaricstudios5888 it allows me to fuck your otk combos and win
Change "send" to "discard".
*TIER ONE*
Yup, danger dragon
"Change one word, make a card OP"
@@trystanxeverly oh yeah, discard those stones and fabled catsith
There's a video idea here, cards that are *almost* broken/powerful, or something like that.
Guy already exists
Makes me think about Ritual Summoning which is per se a hefty minus. Sending a Ritual Magic Card and most of the times 2 monsters to the graveyard really makes recovery pretty hard.
I guess that´s the reason why Konami keeps making OP ritual support.
HettGutt You just described Nekroz
@@LegendaryAntiHero thats a nice idea except for a small problem a lot of cards have the "same name" like blue-eyes white dragon or searchable through different cards take chaos form for example so many card's can search it and blue-eyes in the grave is easy af imagine how easy it is would be to summon chaos max or how broken nekroz would be because they can discard themselves to search.
By extension: This is why Nekroz were broken. Because they took all the good of Ritual Summoning, and literally threw away the rules they didn't like about it. (you must ritual Summon from the hand, by Tributing monsters from hand or field, and your Spell/Monsters have no other purpose-All gone). Also helped they had Trish, Shurit, Unicore...
@@LegendaryAntiHero They did, those are called Fusion monsters.
“People play Montage Dragon to prove me wrong”
...Next time, on DBZeeff
Man I remember this card being my "ace monster" when I first tried to get into the game in 2009ish
fun fact , summoning Montage Dragon with exactly 3 level 12 monsters yields an attack equal to 10800.
for those who got what i am saying this card was made to become a pure meme if you understood what it's attack refers to in relation to it's name.
what are you talking about?
yea i know it's 10800 , what i am referring to that it has the number "1080" in it's attack which refers to full HD Resolution.
@@PhoenixLive_YT what does that have to do with its name?
@@MasterXemnas1 because you make Montages, MLG stuff. Dude living in 2013 ya know
Put 3 Red Reboot in the deck for pure cheese.
For DL players:
This card is pretty useful on Duel Links for gem farming at the gate. Draw sense Earth + a bunch of high level monsters, lvl 40 joey, 2x rewards and have fun leveling up your characters
Note that you need to max out Trudge's level to get your only copy of the card... Otherwise, yeah, go nuts, though only with characters you have Draw Sense Earth with if you want to level them up.
If your plan is to level up characters, I‘d rather not use Montage Dragon for that. It‘s too slow, since you‘ll use level 10 duelists for saving keys. You‘ll be better off with a bunch of monsters which can be special summoned easily.
for example: Red-Eyes, Blue-Eyes or basically any high-level normal monster, so that you can use ancient rules
I prefer Red-Eyes since it has a lot of draw and discard options.
Montage Dragon is good because you're getting 7-8 chests against a lvl 40 duelist (2x Rewards), meaning that you'll very likely gain extra gems, SRs and URs not only Exp. Yes that's for old school players that have a ton of keys, but I think it's still the most optimal way to lvl up your characters due to the extra gems you gain.
Any extra gem income is good, you've got to think that those lvl up rewards gems are already yours. But yeah if you just want to lvl up your character, any otk strategy (koaki meiru, dragos, heroes) is very efficient
@@r4nd0mguy99 On the flip side, it can also be used in slow farms to get easy max scores with a Yubel deck.
I remember pairing this card with my Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon and using this card to send strong dragon monsters to the grave so I could just special summon a crap ton of of powerful monsters to the field with red eyes' effect. Good times...
I did the same but with ran both in my blue eyes deck ahh i loved that 7200atk Montage, RDMD, and a blue eyes good times
Best use I've seen for this card was in a malefic deck. It was being used as a way to get some value out of all the high level bricks you need to run and the malefic monsters you don't plan on summoning. Usually hits the field with around 9000 atk points.
Last time I saw it was in a reptile deck where they used it to throw vennominon and vennominaga into the grave.
"Competitive Montage Dragon Deck January 2019."
Lucas Phoenix get someone on it asap
Neg 3 for a beatstick equals bad play, video summary
Neg 2 actually
Zad Ras no it's minus 3
@@justingoodman2241 ah, you're right. I need more sleep...
During early 2018, I used Montage Dragon in my Dark Warrior deck as an experiment, it was just an extender with the added benefit to keep my monsters in the grave, it is also a trade-in target like plasma and the other lv 8 D Heros. I took it out eventually. since it was only good as a combo starter or as a discard fooder, but after turn 1, it had no use
One of my favorite cards! I’ve loved the art since I first saw it, such a bummer it’s such a dubious investment.
Interesting pick. Didn't see it coming and barely remember this card.
I only remember it 'cause it was the first non-synchro lv8 monster summoned in the 5Ds anime. I think it was Officer Trudge's ace before he ran Goyo Guardian.
I'm right there with you Dzeeff. I love this guy even though he can backfire so damn hard
If he required UP TO three monsters, he could see some play as extentder.
Evans16 or you could just play The Tricky which can discard any card to summon itself. Or Malefic Cyber End Dragon to drop the hand cost all together.
To fix this card: (for me)
Cannot be normal summoned or set, must be special summoned from your hand by discarding 1 or more monsters,
Cannot be destroyed by card effect
Gains 200 ATK X the combined levels of all monster discarded for this effect.
(Starts with 1500/0 )
But if montage dragon eats a book of moon it basically becomes a scapegoat token
And it's also weak to Mirror Force :)
@@cameraredeye3115 just like Link monsters
It‘s always annoying to watch the attack getting reduced when monster cards get flipped face-down (with paleozoic canadia for example) or banished (with the U.A.-trap for example). As a matter of fact, the paleozoic archetype is already annoying by default.
I also forgot to mention that most decks with enough big monsters to run this also make good use of skill drain
Except it's not a level 1 normal monster. So it hasn't even got that going for it.
Imo Montage is better than the god cards just for the sole fact that you can otk with Montage by sending 3 lvl 12 monsters. I made a handful of people salty by doing this but quit when karma hit me with magic cylinder
#REKTbyKARMA
Why do you have three level twelve monsters in your deck?
@@zachsteiner to send to the graveyard for montage dragon duh
@@matty9460 yep you got it
@@zachsteiner Ok so Montage gets 300 per level. The theory was 3 lvl 12 which is 12 x 3 = 36 lvls. You take that 36 then multiply by 300 which gives you a 10,800 atk Montage dragon which will otk if not dealt with. It was a troll deck with the power of a neutron star.
Saw the Video today. I run two Montage Dragons in my Malefic Deck.
These guys got me through 3 Local Tournaments and do now recide as Lucky Charms in the Side Deck.
Montage Dragon was a great addition for my Deck because it happened quite often that I got a bad Hand with either no Malefic World (or Terraforming...) or a bunch of the Monsters required to use their Malfic Counterparts.
So I used Montage Dragon and got a huge Beatstick with mostly over 9600 ATK. (My Opponents Reactions were priceless!)
And even if this Card is kinda useless by todays Standards, I'm sure I'll find another way to use the Card.
Thank you for reminding me of the good times I had in the Past with my big boi. ;)
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I used to run Montage Dragon in my old red eyes darkness deck. 3 dark bribe and 3 solemn judgements, along with 2 light and darkness dragons. Haven't played the TCG in 17 years, but in that deck, Montage ruled over all.
I miss old school Yu-Gi-Oh.
Someone's gonna go to a YCS with some meme otk deck with this card as the major win card by sending some random set of three cards that happen to be op when sent to the graveyard and don't care about the wording of "Sent to the graveyard" and have like maybe a decent record and if it gets featured ONCE on stream people are gonna be flipping out about it. Don't even care if it tops, it's gonna show up eventually just because someone called the card "bad" (not saying it isn't bad, i'm saying someone will try to use it despite it being bad)
I love these videos man, thank you. Congrats on your anniversary by the way!
Also, possible zombie/other graveyard deck synergy? (Not arguing for competitive validity, just curious about your thoughts on that!)
I remember playing this in blue eyes when i started playing. Thats what i really like about the "why nobody plays" series. It lets me laugh at some wierd card choices from back in the day. Thanks for the videos. =)
I wonder If Montage Dragon would be helpful in a zombie deck for quick and selective milling of different zombie monsters in the hand straight to the grave to activate their effects?
Why nobody play Yubel?(not in Duel Link)
Anything can out it
You can play it in firekings
@@SuperCP007 It really doesn't advance the strategy of them either (Tcg)
@@mr.thomaswaffles6700 they wanna be crusht
Yubel crushs them
@@SuperCP007 sure but still in tcg they rather play kozmo fire king
useful only in niche yubel fireking farming duel links decks, even then though
ONLY good for farming
It's also good in draw sense earth decks, not that good though. Essentially you just let it hit you and then get a big Montage dragon out
I remember running into a deck on Duel Links that was literally just Montage Dragon and a bunch of high level monsters. One enemy controller and that deck was done.
You just don't got what it takes. my main man officer trudge gets it.
Yeah, I can see why it would be pretty flawed. I use it in a Yubel deck in Duel Links, and rarely ever get it on the field, but when it works, it works pretty well as a last resort if I just have 3 or 4 Yubel forms in hand (which has happened, the deck bricks a lot). As a side note, maybe do Jar of Avarice for a "Why Nobody Plays..." episode? On paper, it should be pretty decent with it adding 5 cards back to your deck and letting you draw one, so is it just held back by its Trap card status or is it just not as good as it sounds?
it's mostly because it's a trap and those are slow, but people played pot of avarice mostly for the +1, which jar of avarice doesn't give, while it can shuffle back any card i can't use it in my startup turn to refresh my deck and try for more extenders which pot of avarice can (or could since it's banned)
@@hikarisdemon true, it's not bad later game in Exodia if it goes past turn 1, it'll speed things up quite a bit if you brick and don't draw more draw cards
I've used Montage (obviously not competitively), in the digital YGO games, and I just want to point out that having multiple copies of Montage is great, solely because Montage has so 8 stars, so you can use other copies of Montage as your sent monsters to boost the ATK of the one you're trying to summon.
If you have three blue-eyes and any other monster, you've got a hand full of garnets, but if you have multiple Montages, one Montage can use the others. (I am of course aware that Blue-eyes can be summoned from the grave while those Montages can't.)
Seems like a meme tech for Cardians
Honestly it's just one of those "win-more" cards in cardian. it adds another brick just so your combo can have a higher number at the end.
Talk about Five-Headed Dragon next
Compared to Montage Dragon, since they're both just beatsticks, it has easier access since it's in the extra deck, but the cost is waaay worse
@Matt Eru Still requires quite some setup. I guess maybe 1 Five Headed Dragon could be a late game option for dragon decks, but that's all there really is to this card.
Can only be destroyed by light monsters, so that gives it better protection than Montage Dragon. It's not that hard to summon in a Dragon deck if you have the extra deck space for it. Five dragons isn't that difficult for a Dragon deck, BUT that also depends on what Dragon strategy you're running. Then again, imagine 3 5-Headed Dragons attacking directly when you don't have a mirror force down.... it can be scary sometimes, admittedly. Sometimes you need a big beater and well not much is getting over 5k. All in all, it's not that bad. It could be better, but at least it's better than the Egyptian Gods in terms of viability. Let alone Montage Dragon unless you discard the max level monsters you can for like 10800 atk.
TL;DR: it's not that bad of a card, has better protection than most boss monsters similar to it in terms of atk, and it's relatively easy to summon and if your opponent doesn't have a light monster that can beat over it, they have to hope for an effect that gets it off the field. They won't always draw an out so they're basically screwed if they can't get rid of it
I remember seeing this guy in the very first episode of yugioh 5d's getting his ass handed to him by junk warrior.
Can we get a "Why nobody plays Cracking Dragon" next, to keep in theme ?
Can you do a “Why no one plays Tualatin” video, It had some good potential for countering certain popular decks while being easy to summon. It’s a good side option as a floodgate for games of 3. I haven’t seen anyone play or cover that card.
We need Konami to make a revamped Montage Dragon
@Galaspark Underrated.
That said, I heard someone mention that if Montage Dragon said UP TO 3 monsters, it'd be better
The synergy between megalo and other cards is what they should've done with montage dragon by somehow making it work with some archetype
Dzeeff, one question, were the Nordic gods ever played in competitive Yugioh? If not, why weren't they played?
I suggest rank10ygo legacy of the worthless video about them.
Please refer to Rata's (Rank10YGO) video right here: ua-cam.com/video/mzmZa-_YuDg/v-deo.html
Because pot of averice got banned
Because Nordics are required for the Gods, and the archetype is really slow not to mention they each need one of three variants, making them not work together and most likely require three monsters to do it. The Nordic Gods themself unlike in the Anime have to banish a Nordic meaning it will run out of fodder, it also can easily be banished or bounced or anything. Loki only gets rid of a single spell/trap on the feild, Thor only negates one monster effect. Odin is the only one worth anything and even then it quite simply isn't worth the effort and the archetype struggles to make it.
So no. It has never seen competitive play, mostly because the archetype is required and is pretty bad and even if it pulls it off, it isn't particularly worth it.
Rank10ygo already explained that in "legacy of the worthless"
"In General..." - Dzeeff
I rarely played Montage (always for fun) for its on-field effects, but rather for the discard (although if the on-field effects won me the duel, oh well). Granted, this was back when Soul Charge was still legal to play. Have a BKB or two, and something else with decent attack plus decent effect such as Jinzo or with an effect that can be activated from the GY such as Dandylion (remember this was a while ago). Montage out, sending the others to the grave, and beat down with Montage for as long as it survives (likely no more than one turn). Then, next opportunity, Soul Charge to get all those beatsticks out of the graveyard. I also used it to get fodder in GY for Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End. Worked well in a Dragon deck with Dragon's mirror. I liked combo-ing Montage with The Creator as well, but again, in just for fun decks.
Expecting this card to one day get the Thunder Dragon treatment. lol
Blue eyes the most iconic monster? What about Dark Magician, Dzeef Kaiba? LOL. Love the videos, keep up the great work. Would love to duel you one day if you ever come to London, England.
I've always loved Montage Dragon design since it was released back in the first few episodes of 5D's
_Digs up his old cooy of Montage Dragon._
Well look at that. Don't know where I got the "sending *atleast* 3 other monsters" thing from. Payed up to 6 level 7-9 monsters to summon it many times against friends.
"Who needs combo when you have big number?" - A big Unga-Bunga Beater
Just in case you're ever interested, I have made some Montage Dragon themed custom cards on Dulingbook after watching this video, but I understand completely if you don't care too much. Anyhow, nice video discussing an alright card, shame it didn't get much of a break.
Sorry, Satellite! I'm gonna have to take you into Sector Security for that little stunt!
Just gave me a broken montage dragon idea! Thanks!
Montage Dragon Egyptian God Kaiju deck profile when?
Montage Dragon seems like a good card in theory, but in order to use it you have to give up monsters with a strong level multiplied by 300. I don't know about going a minus 3 just to gain a big attack advantage, but people play how they play sometimes. I still remember back to "On Your Mark, Get Set, Duel!" where that beast almost beat Yusei all by itself!
This is going directly into everything now.
I love the fact that some videos you do contain cards that I dont even know about.
Montage dragon was something ive always liked, despite never getting a chance to play it as i stopped playing shortly after getting it
The best play I've ever seen with a Montage Dragon was actually in Duel Links. Dude had 3 different Yubel in their hand and had a 9900 Montage as a result. Still not very good because that is SO specific and I didn't have a trap ready.
"Bottomless Trap Hole is a 1 for 4"
Fuck, I didn't even think of it like that. Puts Montage into perspective.
My friend with blue eyes ultimate dragon: you’re finnished in my next turn
Me who just drew montage dragon with 3 egyptian gods on my hand: THERE IS NO NEXT TURN
I still remember havin fun summoning this dragon with over 5000 atk
I'd also like to say that extra deck monsters can also be cheated out much easier than the gods or Montage Dragon as there is level manipulation, fusion substitutions, and resource management meant to cheat out good extra deck monsters that can only make it a minus 2 or even a minus one in rare occasions. Whereas you cannot use this resources for the gods and level manipulation, like a legendary ocean, would in fact hurt Montage dragon.
I mean, if In the future a deck was released where all the monsters floated or in some way gained advantage when sent to the graveyard, I could see this being used. Kinda like danger, except sent to graveyard.
burning abyss all float, but they're low level. so you'd also need them to be high level. but then you're better off playing danger instead of this because it gets you draws. making this card's cost a discard would pop it into the danger dark world strategy because it would be a +0 in card economy and prbly give you a 4k+ body.
This video has given me the desire to see someone try to pull off a Montage Dragon + EG card mix, like maybe see someone try to go second, summon Montage dragon, pitching Hero Kid to the gy, special summoning Hero kid with something from the gy, get the other hero kids from the effect, and then summon an EG and then lose anyway because it still sucks even if this would go off. But it'd be fun to see it happen.
I completely understand and kind of agree, but I have him in a dragon based deck that relies on monsters of any level being in the graveyard. Tends to work well with a dragon mirror and a five headed dragon or a first of the dragons in your extra deck and then if they get rid of those utilising monster reborn/call of the hunted etc.
Another card similar to montage dragon thats actually really good is block dragon u have to banish 3 earth monters to summon it. But it does give rock monsters u control protection and it usually replaces thoose cards when it hits grave
Because it's a neg 3, and it has literally no protection. At least if you sent 3 of the dragon rulers, you could still summon them.
Or if you have 3 DRulers in your hand you just use their own discard effects and not go minus.
Time for Konami to do what it does and throw a hundred new support cards at an old, dead card and make it worth playing.
Give it a bunch of weak cards with high Levels to send to the GY who's effects trigger after being sent from the hand.
If you had support that was all Level 10 (but with Level 2 stats) and you sent three of them things (insert dpYGO clip here), you got yourself a nice 9000 ATK monster, and then all three of those monsters could pop off Graveyard effects.
Maybe have an Xyz monster that pops over Montage Dragon, using it as Xyz material, gains its current ATK, and then protects itself.
Give me a couple Spells and a searcher, and suddenly Montage Dragon is in business.
Just use Witch of the Black Forest or Sangan. It's already searchable
Can you do one of these on ma'at?Only because I personally love that card but making a good deck around it is hard
Card is simply not good.
A good thing about Montage Dragon is that it gives some purpose to the god cards, if you want to go -3 for those juicy level 10’s
I like to side 1 Montage Dragon in my Timelord deck. Timelords tend to blow up everything often and leave my opponents field open.
He makes up for much of the damage Timelords don't dish out. Still bad.deck and noncompetitive but fun.
I use this guy in my timelord deck. Pretty consistent way of getting a 9000ATK beater on board. Kinda catches opponents iff-guard, given timelord as effect endurance is a contrast to it's own effect.
I run it my malefic deck as a way to have a huge monster on the field if I end up having a somewhat bricky hand.
Ayy
I just saw this video and thought I'd add it to my malefics
And I think it would be an added plus if you send malefic truth dragon
Dzeef uploads "why nobody plays montage dragon" :
Me:How dare you
Nekroz of Trishula is pretty good. Trishula’s Effect on Ritual Summon & a protection effect by discard.
Will it be more useful if i use decks that focus more on special summoning monsters from the graveyard?
Slifer and Montage Dragon are one of my favorite cards. Hope someday they give some love for them.
Oh wow, Montage Dragon. I remember using this card in Tag Force 5.
Hmmm but what about decks that benefit from being discarded, like zombies for example I’m sure they’re better examples
According to the rules it’s not a discard as other comments have stated. If it were changed to discard and up to 3 instead of mandating 3, it would not only see play but probably be broken
David Owen yea but zombie cards activate in the GY for example mezuki can special summon 1 zombie from the GY. Other cards also activate while being in the graveyard. The card is still too inconsistent to be viable tho.
I agreed with the whole video... till you mentioned that this was a better card then the sacred beasts...
It's better then Raviel for sure, and it'll win over the two others if they are thrown in generic decks, however Hamon works fine in a Crystal Beast deck as they synergise with eachother. Not really competitive, but still better then Montage. A properly built continuous trap based deck was capable of putting Uria into the competitive scene up until Links summons popped up, as a good anti-meta deck. Not top tier, but certainly much better then you seem to think. The only reason I am not including the Links era, is because it is the only format I am not familiar with.
In my early days of Yugioh montage dragon+ champions vigilance terrorized me.
There must be a combo I'm missing? I don't see the synergy
Was literally thinking of this card and how much I like it recently.
One of my fondest yugioh memories was deciding not to play Montage Dragon. I think the best deckbuilding lesson I ever got was when I realized that in playing Montage Dragon to "unbrick" hands of high level monsters, I could still easily brick by not drawing it or drawing it when I couldn't use it. It forced me to actually think about the consistency of the whole deck.
I do see your points about montage dragon what about combining him with decks that have their card effects trigger in the grave yard (i dont mean dark worlds cause it by discard not graveyard) like bujins and so on
Can you do a video on *Why Nobody Uses Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon*?
Dude that thing is limited for a reason . wtf?
I only mean in the current format. Since a lot of the Chaos Dragons don't see much play anymore
@Orga777 I want to know how It can be more relevant now
@@mr.thomaswaffles6700 is it more relevant in Blue-Eyes? Is it more relevant in other decks? Because I hardly ever see it
@Orga777 it got me thinking about old cards that saw a lot of play but don't now. You know?
Time lord users: take that back right now
Hes incredibly inconsistent in that deck. You need to hard draw him
Could use it in a deck that loves discarding or using graveyard effects, that way you just get added benefit from using those effects and you're technically not spending as much resources to bring it out. Kinda like Graceful Charity but instead of drawing 2 cards you get a beatstick. Still probably gonna get blown up, but the beefstick was the bonus in this case, while the discard was the actual effect you were fishing for. Not too sure how useful this would be in practice, but I can see it working.
Well, not discarding, but still modern Yugioh absolutely loves using graveyard effects.
Needing to pitch specifically 3 is really rough tho. I think if it said up to 3 then it'd probably see some fringe play in janky BA or Tear decks since you can control how many you're sending.
wouldn't Abyssleed be a better comparison? It did see some play with the same cost
Might be good in decks with darklords, infernity, zombie, nephthys, or lair of darkness. I guess any decks that deal a lot with getting cards into the graveyard from the hand.
Inb4 op archetype that gains advantage from “card is sent from hand to the graveyard.” Might be okay in Light of Sekka decks if such an archetype exists?
Ok I never played the deck but would montage dragon be "decent" in sekka B.a.? Not as an otk, but as a way to gain three effects
I think the variable attack is a cool mechanic. Have they done anything with that with better cards in the current game?
Well its going into my Buster Mage deck.. Reasoning powers up Dark Palidan because until you hit Buster Blader or Dark Magician all cards sent will be sent. Yet if I dont get reasoning with all the protection Solemns and such I can still use it.
It's weird to hear somebody talking about Trish as a neg-2 when it pluses if you manage to resolve its effect.
I used to use Montage Dragon in casual play and it was sort of my signature monster in the deck I used it in but no way would he be of any use in competitive play. I am actually considering building a Celtic Guardian deck and perhaps include Montage Dragon in it.
I can actually see this being semi useful in a Felgrand Deck where you want most of your Monsters to be in the graveyard to be summoned anyways.
Worst thing that could happen is you have the cards you wanted in the graveyard, and lose Montage Dragon. At best you have a 3000+ beatstick on the field that essentially didn't cost you anything since your deck focuses on having monsters in the graveyard anyways.
Hey dzeeff why dont people play soul release