Every starting strength coach will go through these 5 stages. It's hard to admit but I wouldn't change a thing about it. Follow me on IG @untamedstrength
@Jared Lind So? They are not an equipment company, you don't need to buy their bench and they don't tell you you have to buy it for their program. Their main product is 30$ (the book). If you want something from BBM, you need 50$ for 1 template, and to continue, the dollars need to keep coming, you can not even post your workout sessions because BBM doesn't want others too figure the program out. Both may want to make some cash, nothing wrong with that. But let's find better insults for SS, for example "fats", "dogmatic boomers", or something like that. Because "greedy" will be hypocritical.
@Jared Lind to be fair its cheap for a restaurant quality butcher block of that size. Which you will need for all the red meat tbone steaks you prepare on the starting strength diet.
@@unnaturalatrophy5377 what an interesting, informative, enlightening, educational, intelligent and intellectual comment you just landed there. We learned so much from your comment(s). Keep it up! Thank you.
So I've been on SS for around 20 years, deloaded and reset about 200 times. Things are going pretty well, think I'm well on my way to becoming an intermediate lifter. Girls have started to notice too, just the other day I heard some ladies at the gym refer to me as "T-Rex"- the alpha predator! Gonna keep going for a bit, see how far I can push it. Thanks Mr Rippletoe!
I thought starting strength was a basic strength programme for beginners. Meanwhile the comment section reads like a support group for people who just escaped a cult.
its all in how your personality works. Starting strength and stronglifts are great programs that give you a foundation to go off to another program with. They are NOT a CULT to worship. Its like Vegans and crossfitters. Dont be those people.
@@frankchen4229 Why? There are good crossfitters just like there are good vegans, but there are creepy cultist vegans just like there are creepy cultist crossfitters.
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1:15 killed me. 🤣🤣🤣 Only thing missing was you pulling a scapula out of your pocket randomly. 😂
"Have you just tried caring less?" is probably on of the best things you can hear in the gym. Just go attack some weights. Get in, get out. Go to your work, come home and kiss your family. Dont let gains wreck your life. Theres always some one bigger, badder, and stronker.
This is the reason why I follow you bruh, you are willing to change your mindset on certain things, I absolutely agree, besides you look so much better now. And still funny as shit!
Starting Strength is great for a novice program, and maybe useful in initial intermediate. But it's a stepping stone to whatever goals you have, not an end in itself.
@@JM-sy5qv I wouldn't call this hating on it, it's more like not blind adoration. Yeah, starting strength's fine, but there are other things you can do that are also good for you to get strong. I guess you could say it's more nuanced that that
the problem is that mark tries to teach you the importance of programming but he wants to keep you trapped on the texas method to increase sales and gym franchises so he cant have you thinking tooooo much for yourself.
As much as I try not to care about such things, being on SS after half a year is really the best way to work really hard and still look like you don't lift.
I'm glad I figured that out around month 4 and shifted out of that dogma. If I'm going to put in all this work might as well look like it when outside of the gym.
This is exactly what I went through. Strict and rigid programs, worrying too much about all the details and recovery and bullshit, to a our natty savior Eric Bugez style lifting. Literally just lift and forget the rest
Except the vast majority of people at the beginning of their lifting careers are retarded and need this level of regimentation, myself included. Mark didn't develop Starting Strength because it's "scientifically" the best way for a novice to train, he developed it after years of training novices and discovering that giving them an overly complicated workout and allowing for too much freedom is in most cases a terrible idea. SS is a great program to get novices strong very quickly while not distracting them with a ton of unnecessary bullshit, especially since most people interested in getting stronger aren't looking to be competitive powerlifters. Until you've actually coached novices for years you can't fully appreciate something like SS. A good novice coach doesn't need their lifters going down the rabbit hole and switching 100 times between low bar and high bar, based on how they feel that particularly day. They just need consistency. Being dogmatic for novices and early intermediates is better than being nihilistic. As you get more advanced, however, dogmatism definitely is bad as their are countless different ways for someone to get stronger and every person is different.
Alan, I just want to tell you, you are a big help in my fitness journey! You were the one who really got me believing weightlifting was something I could enjoy! Now I'm on a journey to max out the bars and weights I have at home (100kg/220lb (I think)) for reps!
Well, In my opinion the rant is missing the point. The program is called "Starting Strength" and not "Sophisticated training tools for advanced lifters and adaption to specific individual demands". In my opinion the simple approach is doing a pretty good job for any novice - as a general rule. If I had the book when I started training 30 years ago, I would have made a lot better results compared to my results I got, based on reading the Flex and other magazines...
@BlueJupiterJazz well maybe. And maybe sets of 6 are better than 5s or more pulling is better, or some direct core work is better or... The point is: You do not much wrong as a beginner following the program for a year or two. Keeping it simple and reducing the amount of exercises to learn a good technique, fast is not a bad idea for a beginner - imho. Better than my start with 5 day bro split from a Flex magazine with 20 sets for biceps for sure;)
IT IS WHAT IT IS. I bought in because it made my strength go through the roof. 2 I got heavier because of the strength and calories. 3 I questioned, because I was always in pain and frequently injured. 4 I'm getting skinny because I enjoy exercising and want to avoid injury. 5 I care more about longevity now.
The real stages: 1)Leverage Starting Strength in order to develop your UA-cam channel and build your reputation. 2) Advance past the Novice Linear Progression and realize Starting Strength might not help address your specific goals. Strongman, for example. 3) Let minor differences in opinion fester and develop an unnecessary rift in the Strength community. 4) Publicly denounce Starting Strength People can certainly disagree on issues like diet and conditioning, but the NLP is still the best program for beginners in the strength game. We are all out here trying to get strong. I certainly don't agree with Mark on everything, but I still appreciate what he has contributed to the Strength Community
The head BBM doc is still slamming the SS novice program. I haven’t seen him present a better one, unless it’s hidden in $50 programs. Edit: found it for $64.99
Spot on, with starting strength I got used to exercise and gained some serious strength, despite the hip drahve never made sense to me, but after 2 years it was time to move on.
I feel like your articulation of the truth supercedes the understanding of most people. Starting Strength isn't a way of life; it's just the fastest way to go from weak, to not weak, as possible. "Get your squat up to 405." Then do something else.
@@oliverallen5324 Rip doesn't even deny this. Yeah he's very dogmatic about other things like bar positioning on the squat but he's mostly coming from the position of a general strength coach and his advice is pretty spot on for the average person just trying to get strong and not get lost in a sea of bullshit. The fitness industry is and always has been full of sharks so I appreciate there being someone like Mark to keep the parameters low for the newbies. This is coming from someone that did SS and then never did anything else from Rip after that. I have a ton of respect for the dude and I think the fact that so many people hate him is a testament to how good of a coach he is.
without starting strength there would be no barbell medicine. My full respect to the SS crew for taking the bs out and creating a method anyone can follow and get results.
Excellent point, one that people forget quickly. Starting strength is an excellent book for beginners who want to learn the barbell lifts and don't have access to a decent coach.
It's only funny because it's true. And there are 100's of comments in a few hours because this is hilarious to so many of us. I now preach the old "Whatever workout you will actually do" is the best. I feel that if someone gets started doing a workout they love eventually they will end up doing the research for their long loved hobby and figure out what works well for them. Have fun everyone!
The low bar squat is superior for lifting more weight which is what most powerlifters want to do. The high bar is superior for... i don't know, olympic lifters probably and those that don't care about how much weight they lift.
In typical internet fashion I'm stealing the end of the video but reversing it - Have You Tried Caring Less -> it doesnt matter -> -> ->. Right now, today, I really needed to hear that. Thank you.
I'm with you Alan. Not a big "joiner" and turned off by cults. Yes Starting Strength and Cross fit I'm looking at you. Especially as I get older (64), heavy weights don't give me what I want. Recently switched to kettlbells (BLASPHEMY!). Just enough weight and improved fitness. More flexibility for my old back, knees, hips. Do what works for you.
I'm on stage 5, but I still think the book taught me more than anything else, before I went on barbell medicine, in fact I did amazingly well on SS then Texas method and I have got all my clients who I used it on to do well, I just changed it for fun and again doesn't really matter, I learnt I can make and make over people for get same results with more fun methods, but SS put me on the right path, Just wished I didn't waste 4 years on 5/3/1 - conjugate etc Did the beginner program from BB medicine and broken records,
As someone who’s watched the channel over the years I love this so much haha I’m at the beginning of step 4 by the way, if we exclude becoming an SS coach.
Does Rippetoe and SS are really wrong? I mean, Alan has built most of his muscle under their programs. Now he got leaner and looks better? OK, so what? I'm not saying Rippetoe and his crew aren't dogmatic but they're not wrong on many many things. Their essentials are quite useful for most lifters.
Alan is affiliated now with Barbell Medicine, you should check them out. It's full of former SSCs. I'm doing the BBM beginner template. While it's still based on the squat, deadlift, OHP and bench press, it's also full of all the good things Rip hates for beginners: varying rep ranges, RPE, cardio, and accessories. The stuff I learned from SS was useful (how to do the four lifts, why they're important), but I had to do my own research to learn what's bullshit (that I can modify my program to keep making progress as a beginner without getting fat and giving up the my cardio fitness). You probably did the same thing too. Most people won't have that initiative.
There's a study by important people with letters after their name that says $50 programs work better, so everything BBM says is scientificly proven correct.
@@ScaRxFaceLP BB medicine copy most of rip's stuff, add some useless RPE stuff to it to make it inferior, market it for 50$ and put the labels "doctor" and "science" everywhere. Oh and promise alan gains, now he's weaker.
They are all pointless because you don’t need a whole book to teach you how to do these lifts just 5 minutes with someone who already does them and or a UA-cam video
The way it teaches OHP is horrendous and the dogmatic way of calling low bar the end all be all to squats is retarded as it doesn’t factor in individual anatomy at all
I’m at the stage where I wish I never learned about working out and that I wish my parents made me learn piano or beat me when I didn’t study or something
"Try Caring Less". This is the BEST advice in the world: just don't give a shit what others think. As long as you're not a dick, unless someone has something positive to say, or some really good advice, their opinion doesn't matter at all. This attitude also works for all 'social' media.
I also bought into the whole “low bar is superior, fuck high bar” mentality. Not a good idea. Low bar actually is more comfortable for me tho, so I just do low bar and front squats.
I never could even do low bar because flexibility issues, always did high bar and these days I do front and zerchers more as those help me more in everyday tasks. How often do you need to lift stuff on your shoulders vs lift and carry something in front of you?
I'll be the contrarian of this comment section and say that Starting Strength is the absolute best school of thought for introducing people to strength training. Its rigor, simplicity and predictability cannot be found anywhere else. There, I said it.
@OVERCOME72 It’s a strength program. If you’re adding 5 lb you don’t need to add more volume to be able to continue adding 5 lb. If more volume makes you happy that’s great. But the metric is not happiness the metric is strength. Eventually you’ll need to add more volume. But I’ll bet 3x5 deadlifts along with 3x5 squats from the beginning is not going to help put weight on the bar. A: because that’s happening with 1x5, and B: it’s going to tax your recovery unnecessarily. Add more volume when you need to.
i think can maybe relate.. not exactly to SS but to lifting in general.. ive been lifting for almost 20 years, and nowdays i just train whatever i feel like.. no pressure over the weight, excercise, frequency or whatever.. i just dont care that much anymore, i just lift so i can maybe get older healthier than my dad did.. no need to constantly chase pbs
Sometimes I wonder if Alan is one of the people rip was talking about when he said they were in the process of hunting down and killing a few knuckleheads who made it through as starting strength coaches
I really enjoyed this video, as well as all the previous snarky references to Rip and SS. However at this point it is starting to seem rather silly, like Alan just can't get over the whole "drama" that happened between SS and BBM when they were splitting up and right after that. That being said there is always a possibility of some nasty things that have happened behind the scenes, which would totally explain Alan's behaviour. BTW I am still waiting for both sides to have a programming debate as it was foreshadowed in SS forums right before the split (although it is quite obvious who would win it anyways). Since Barbell Logic got expelled from Rippetoe's church maybe they could also participate in it, although I am not aware if their approach differs significantly enough from SS to be an actual third party in this discussion.
1- yes, three or four years from now he can do another video on how he was drinking the BBM Koolaide. 2- BBLogic is definitely morphing into something else other than/ beyond SS Programming.
@@mkdorkov123 that's interesting, even BB logic split from. I follow BBM now and then and they are light years ahead most of the online strength peeps on injury rehab stuff. I guess it helps they are up to current research papers...
@@clownpocket If you take your training seriously, some sort of _injury _is inevitable. If you have a decent understanding of contemporary injury&pain science and practices you are saving yourself plenty of times getting stuck with shithole rehab practices. As far as their programming goes, they are also up to date with the literature. And I was really surprised to hear Austin talk about a recent article on strength training I saw on loading&volume for strength training! They can charge for their templates as much as they want, it should not bother you, nor should they give it for less or free if you want it. The market will decide. Personally, I think they offer poor value with those, but if you want to support them, go ahead!
I cannot lie: I miss Fat Alan. I like the Alan that ate a lot, gave no shits, lifted heavy and questioned less. Now, everyone must change and Alan will never go back to that because forward is the future. But the Alan that ended every day with a big-ass bowl of ice cream and chocolate syrup was fun. Nice to see him again here.
This documents the Great Schism when disciples from the Church of Rippetoe realized that the church is not preaching to the true ideals of how to actually get strong. Those of us that followed the light when Jordan and Austin posted their 95 Theses on the internet boards and lead us on the true and right path to strength and health. Saint Alan is among the greats my brethren.
I haven't even been training 3 years and I've gone through the phases, I'm around 4-5. Gone from only low bar squatting, using it as the core focus of any workout with the other lifts being useful extras, and being thicc. Now I'm like "damn, would be useful to get stronger at good mornings and do more dips, front squats and do more conditioning"
I think you are referring to the transition from novice to intermediate. The clue is in the name: Starting Strength. Starting. After that you are advised to follow the Texas Method. It's just a suggestion.
These workout/strength channels are interesting. The ones who actually have the best concepts and principles to offer, seem to argue with each other the most. I did SS for a while. (Couldnt handle the diet though) It helped a great deal. Then I kept the basic principles and moved on. None of this is a big deal.
Fun fact: This is Alan’s most expensive production to date from having to pay Mark Rippetoe royalties on all the number 5’s and Hyip Drahves used
Well, Barbell medicine is the one charging +50$ for templates.
@@jeffersonap386 $50 is dirt fucking cheap tho.
@Jared Lind just looked at your link. Holy shit that's insane. Thing's base doesnt even look stable lol. What a rip
@Jared Lind So? They are not an equipment company, you don't need to buy their bench and they don't tell you you have to buy it for their program. Their main product is 30$ (the book). If you want something from BBM, you need 50$ for 1 template, and to continue, the dollars need to keep coming, you can not even post your workout sessions because BBM doesn't want others too figure the program out.
Both may want to make some cash, nothing wrong with that. But let's find better insults for SS, for example "fats", "dogmatic boomers", or something like that. Because "greedy" will be hypocritical.
@Jared Lind to be fair its cheap for a restaurant quality butcher block of that size. Which you will need for all the red meat tbone steaks you prepare on the starting strength diet.
"Have you tried caring less" is actually a dope slogan to be put on a shirt.
I would buy it. Closest thing I have is a Jason Genova "WHOOOO CARESSS" shirt.
we got top men on it right now
Baraki Apparel
I would buy that shirt in a heartbeat (if it was reasonably priced)
@@WolfgerSilberbaer Yes, same here.
Maybe with the outline of a beard somewhere on it too.
I've been on Starting Strength for 10 years now, my legs are massive and the clap of my asscheeks keep alerting people that I'm coming.
dummy swole
@@greysson2933 dummy thicc
Edit: He also seems to be alerting the guards.
@@Bahrrot exactly
Is it weird that I know/watched every single video shown here?
Jesus, time flies...
You might be able to help me - which video does the clip of Rip shaking his head at Alan come from?
Full circle bruh
Cool story bro.
@@incorectulpolitic what an idiot
@@unnaturalatrophy5377 what an interesting, informative, enlightening, educational, intelligent and intellectual comment you just landed there. We learned so much from your comment(s). Keep it up! Thank you.
@@unnaturalatrophy5377 ok sheeple...
The most important comment on the internet.
This is like a man's life journey in two minutes.
EXACTLY!
Bruh I'm on the last stage. I'm to the point where I'm like "Fuck it, lets see this shitshow"
I am laughing so damn hard right now. Spot the fuck on. I'd go full nihlist, but I don't think the world will allow it. But I'm close.
So I've been on SS for around 20 years, deloaded and reset about 200 times. Things are going pretty well, think I'm well on my way to becoming an intermediate lifter. Girls have started to notice too, just the other day I heard some ladies at the gym refer to me as "T-Rex"- the alpha predator! Gonna keep going for a bit, see how far I can push it. Thanks Mr Rippletoe!
Iaughed so hard this
I feel like this is an example of a mismatch between what Rip himself advocates and what a lot of SS trainees say they are doing
“ I don’t think the same way I did five years ago” BRO STOP IM IN TEARS
Step 6: Deload 10-20%, and build back up by adding 5lbs. Rinse and repeat.
Step 7: Be stuck on LP for 5 years making no progress.
Step 8: "oh shit I better do conjugate or something"
✓👆👆👆
Step 9: Realize that MANY huge dudes have been on gear at some point including Rippetoe himself
@@Semiotichazey step 10: oh shit its literally everyone but our boy Adam Paul
Step 10: Add more milk.
I thought starting strength was a basic strength programme for beginners. Meanwhile the comment section reads like a support group for people who just escaped a cult.
its all in how your personality works. Starting strength and stronglifts are great programs that give you a foundation to go off to another program with. They are NOT a CULT to worship. Its like Vegans and crossfitters. Dont be those people.
@YOU HAVE TO LIVE IT stuck in their ways for 6 months... you mean like doing a programme?
@@tylerp5839 You should be done with Starting Strength in about 3-4 months. Anyone doing it for 6 months really isn't following the program.
@@tylerh629 u were good until u started bashing vegans. (bashing crossshit is fine)
@@frankchen4229 Why? There are good crossfitters just like there are good vegans, but there are creepy cultist vegans just like there are creepy cultist crossfitters.
1:15 killed me. 🤣🤣🤣 Only thing missing was you pulling a scapula out of your pocket randomly. 😂
This is a level of self awareness that I thought was impossible for a youtuber and may in fact be one of the best videos I've ever seen.
I was waiting for a "ONE THOUSAND POUNDS" bit when you were talking about how much weight you lost.
"Have you just tried caring less?" is probably on of the best things you can hear in the gym. Just go attack some weights. Get in, get out. Go to your work, come home and kiss your family. Dont let gains wreck your life. Theres always some one bigger, badder, and stronker.
Stage 6. Enlightenment. Stage 7. Vertical diet. Stage 8. cookie dough ice cream... That's it, cant get higher than cookie dough ice cream.
Cbd sponsorship
@@ouisdfihsadfnijsnad herb strong for life!
I started at Stage 8 and ended at Stage 8
BEN AND JERRY’S GOD DAMN IT
Stage 9. Lobster Claws.
Some guy posted this on a starting strength subreddit and now I think I've watched every one of Alan's videos
For real tho why does mark shake his head at Alan’s power clean?!
Because it was textbook and he realized there was nothing he could sell Allen
It's uncomfortable how close to reality this is.
I'm on step 4.
Steps 2, 3, and 5 at the same time.
I've been in step 1 for almost 3 years now. Yee haw
are you planning to get weaker and say "DOES IT EVEN MATTER" like alan did?
Yall gotta explain please I was planning on becoming a starting strength coach as a career!?
@@tannerrowe128 do you not like coaching
Stage 1-5: “that’s not heavy”
@@incorectulpolitic Sounds alot like 2020 news media prepping us for the election.
incorectulpolitic And the correlation between this and Starting Strength ?
@@sam-to1mw baaaaaaaa
This is the reason why I follow you bruh, you are willing to change your mindset on certain things, I absolutely agree, besides you look so much better now. And still funny as shit!
Starting Strength is great for a novice program, and maybe useful in initial intermediate. But it's a stepping stone to whatever goals you have, not an end in itself.
It's almost like it's called starting strength not for the rest of your life strength
Yeah I never understood the hate. I guess it's all people that used it for 5 years and didn't see their goals met
@@JM-sy5qv I wouldn't call this hating on it, it's more like not blind adoration. Yeah, starting strength's fine, but there are other things you can do that are also good for you to get strong. I guess you could say it's more nuanced that that
It is a novice programme followed by the intermediate programme called the Texas Method
the problem is that mark tries to teach you the importance of programming but he wants to keep you trapped on the texas method to increase sales and gym franchises so he cant have you thinking tooooo much for yourself.
I dind't realise Untamed was clothing optional. I'll have to swing by and give it a shot. Thanks.
train undressed
Untamed schlong
On a channel of absolute bangers, this is the best.
Alan this is your best video yet. I love that you can look at yourself with humor and not take yourself so seriously.
As much as I try not to care about such things, being on SS after half a year is really the best way to work really hard and still look like you don't lift.
I'm glad I figured that out around month 4 and shifted out of that dogma. If I'm going to put in all this work might as well look like it when outside of the gym.
@@zerrodefex Gay.
This is exactly what I went through. Strict and rigid programs, worrying too much about all the details and recovery and bullshit, to a our natty savior Eric Bugez style lifting. Literally just lift and forget the rest
Amen
Except the vast majority of people at the beginning of their lifting careers are retarded and need this level of regimentation, myself included. Mark didn't develop Starting Strength because it's "scientifically" the best way for a novice to train, he developed it after years of training novices and discovering that giving them an overly complicated workout and allowing for too much freedom is in most cases a terrible idea. SS is a great program to get novices strong very quickly while not distracting them with a ton of unnecessary bullshit, especially since most people interested in getting stronger aren't looking to be competitive powerlifters. Until you've actually coached novices for years you can't fully appreciate something like SS.
A good novice coach doesn't need their lifters going down the rabbit hole and switching 100 times between low bar and high bar, based on how they feel that particularly day. They just need consistency.
Being dogmatic for novices and early intermediates is better than being nihilistic. As you get more advanced, however, dogmatism definitely is bad as their are countless different ways for someone to get stronger and every person is different.
@@developmental_rationalist Wow it's almost like I never said other novice programs weren't good.
@@CigEconomy i just mean he is too rigid，no need to stick with 5rep and low bar even for beginner
@@developmental_rationalist He's not too rigid. Many novices need rigid programming.
I've literally gone through these stages.
We all have, brother, we all have. Or sister. Snort.
well, 300 or 400 extra lbs on the squat don't hurt
Yup
😂 This is my favourite Alan Thrall video. Wonder if stage 6 is, “Realise Rip was right all along, repeat all fahve stages.”
😂😂😂🔥👍
Nah, Rip is an idiot.
Alan, I just want to tell you, you are a big help in my fitness journey! You were the one who really got me believing weightlifting was something I could enjoy! Now I'm on a journey to max out the bars and weights I have at home (100kg/220lb (I think)) for reps!
It's nice to see someone who is okay with admitting they can change their views on thinks over time
as a guy who has watched the channel for years... this is hilarious
I feel like we've grown so much lol
that's the funniest vt vid I've seen in a while man!! fuckin loved it!!!!
Ha ! Nice to see you here. I love your channel
3: get injured, question form, get burnt at the stake
Step 5: realizing that injury and form are likely weakly, if not completely un, related concepts.
@@BM-si2ei Post your worm back deadlifts
@@BM-si2ei thats going too far
0:48 Alan looking like he's about to eat the photographer for his 3rd pre-workout meal
jesus christ that one got me
Cursed image
LMAO
My man, I see you all over Rick Del Hagen’s comments too! We are all watchin the same content lol
@NaturalHypertrophy could you work with me on my programming?
Life is about lifting weights in a linear progression until you get fat and pink.
Pink Lives Matter!
bruh
I do find it funny that I will randomly watch starting strength videos and see a wild Alan thrall in the background in a lot of them
"Have you tried just caring less?" would be a great gym shirt
Rough day, this actually helped me bud. Thanks
We're all gonna make it.
this has transformed to a meme channel and i love it. also more cooking videos please.
+1 on firing up the grill and making epic meals.
Well, In my opinion the rant is missing the point. The program is called "Starting Strength" and not "Sophisticated training tools for advanced lifters and adaption to specific individual demands".
In my opinion the simple approach is doing a pretty good job for any novice - as a general rule.
If I had the book when I started training 30 years ago, I would have made a lot better results compared to my results I got, based on reading the Flex and other magazines...
@BlueJupiterJazz well maybe.
And maybe sets of 6 are better than 5s or more pulling is better, or some direct core work is better or...
The point is: You do not much wrong as a beginner following the program for a year or two.
Keeping it simple and reducing the amount of exercises to learn a good technique, fast is not a bad idea for a beginner - imho.
Better than my start with 5 day bro split from a Flex magazine with 20 sets for biceps for sure;)
@BlueJupiterJazz clueless
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
I bought in because it made my strength go through the roof.
2 I got heavier because of the strength and calories.
3 I questioned, because I was always in pain and frequently injured.
4 I'm getting skinny because I enjoy exercising and want to avoid injury.
5 I care more about longevity now.
I speedran these stages in about six months, much happier on a more bodybuilding oriented program.
This is beautiful bit of work.
Rippetoe is a bit of a tyrant but he does provide clear unabiguous answers. It's something that builds confidence in begginers
There is a simple answer to everything and it is always wrong.
what is a beg-giner?
The real stages:
1)Leverage Starting Strength in order to develop your UA-cam channel and build your reputation.
2) Advance past the Novice Linear Progression and realize Starting Strength might not help address your specific goals. Strongman, for example.
3) Let minor differences in opinion fester and develop an unnecessary rift in the Strength community.
4) Publicly denounce Starting Strength
People can certainly disagree on issues like diet and conditioning, but the NLP is still the best program for beginners in the strength game. We are all out here trying to get strong. I certainly don't agree with Mark on everything, but I still appreciate what he has contributed to the Strength Community
The head BBM doc is still slamming the SS novice program.
I haven’t seen him present a better one, unless it’s hidden in $50 programs.
Edit: found it for $64.99
This is my lifting career in a nut shell. Add in a few injuries and it’s complete
Wow, a lot of starting strength coaches on here who also went through these phases.
he said 6'1, 185 lbs turd and i feel so called out
Same, lmao
he's not wrong
Stage 6: your skin turns red and your hands twitch like a lobster
You know, for a dude named Kevin you sure are a babe.
Nice tets kevin
I attribute my breast development to 5x5 and ghhaalloons of milk. Keep it up... One day you may
Lol but starting strength is exactly that: a great place to start. Eventually we all find our own goals and what works best for us.
Best Comment!! Well said.
Spot on, with starting strength I got used to exercise and gained some serious strength, despite the hip drahve never made sense to me, but after 2 years it was time to move on.
I feel like your articulation of the truth supercedes the understanding of most people. Starting Strength isn't a way of life; it's just the fastest way to go from weak, to not weak, as possible. "Get your squat up to 405." Then do something else.
@@oliverallen5324 Rip doesn't even deny this. Yeah he's very dogmatic about other things like bar positioning on the squat but he's mostly coming from the position of a general strength coach and his advice is pretty spot on for the average person just trying to get strong and not get lost in a sea of bullshit. The fitness industry is and always has been full of sharks so I appreciate there being someone like Mark to keep the parameters low for the newbies.
This is coming from someone that did SS and then never did anything else from Rip after that. I have a ton of respect for the dude and I think the fact that so many people hate him is a testament to how good of a coach he is.
@@CigEconomy
which programm did you move on to after finishing Starting Strength
Glad to see you've stopped being obsessed with starting strength
without starting strength there would be no barbell medicine. My full respect to the SS crew for taking the bs out and creating a method anyone can follow and get results.
Exactly. All BBM And BBL standing on the shoulders of giants. Zero loyalty. Zero respect. But if it gets views.
Excellent point, one that people forget quickly. Starting strength is an excellent book for beginners who want to learn the barbell lifts and don't have access to a decent coach.
@@rhhr5698 yikes that logic
It's only funny because it's true. And there are 100's of comments in a few hours because this is hilarious to so many of us. I now preach the old "Whatever workout you will actually do" is the best.
I feel that if someone gets started doing a workout they love eventually they will end up doing the research for their long loved hobby and figure out what works well for them.
Have fun everyone!
The low bar squat is superior coz I like it more than high bar
The low bar squat is superior for lifting more weight which is what most powerlifters want to do. The high bar is superior for... i don't know, olympic lifters probably and those that don't care about how much weight they lift.
Low bar is easier on my knees. I like my knees.
Low bar is easier on my neck.
High bar squat is easier on the shoulder and elbows
the high bar is superior at wasting time in the gym
That's the fucking best video Alan has ever made, because people will hear whatever they want from it.
I feel like a stronger person from having watched this.
Love the openness to evolve and even poke fun at your self. Keep putting out great content!
I think we're all stage 5 at this point
In typical internet fashion I'm stealing the end of the video but reversing it - Have You Tried Caring Less -> it doesnt matter -> -> ->.
Right now, today, I really needed to hear that. Thank you.
I'm with you Alan. Not a big "joiner" and turned off by cults. Yes Starting Strength and Cross fit I'm looking at you.
Especially as I get older (64), heavy weights don't give me what I want. Recently switched to kettlbells (BLASPHEMY!). Just enough weight and improved fitness. More flexibility for my old back, knees, hips. Do what works for you.
Then surely the problem is not with Starting Strength but rather the fact that lifting heavy weights isn’t your thing anymore
I'm on stage 5, but I still think the book taught me more than anything else, before I went on barbell medicine, in fact I did amazingly well on SS then Texas method and I have got all my clients who I used it on to do well,
I just changed it for fun and again doesn't really matter, I learnt I can make and make over people for get same results with more fun methods, but SS put me on the right path,
Just wished I didn't waste 4 years on 5/3/1 - conjugate etc
Did the beginner program from BB medicine and broken records,
As someone who’s watched the channel over the years I love this so much haha I’m at the beginning of step 4 by the way, if we exclude becoming an SS coach.
Possibly my favourite video on the internet.
Does Rippetoe and SS are really wrong? I mean, Alan has built most of his muscle under their programs. Now he got leaner and looks better? OK, so what? I'm not saying Rippetoe and his crew aren't dogmatic but they're not wrong on many many things. Their essentials are quite useful for most lifters.
Alan is affiliated now with Barbell Medicine, you should check them out. It's full of former SSCs. I'm doing the BBM beginner template. While it's still based on the squat, deadlift, OHP and bench press, it's also full of all the good things Rip hates for beginners: varying rep ranges, RPE, cardio, and accessories.
The stuff I learned from SS was useful (how to do the four lifts, why they're important), but I had to do my own research to learn what's bullshit (that I can modify my program to keep making progress as a beginner without getting fat and giving up the my cardio fitness). You probably did the same thing too. Most people won't have that initiative.
1:14 That snort was *perfect*
The tucked in shirt too. subtle
Having followed he BBM - SS rift for a while, I have to say I goddamn LOL'd so hard at this!
I'm still convinced that Jordan is Rip's actual child
@@McMeatBag not nearly pink enough to be Rip's kid.
There's a study by important people with letters after their name that says $50 programs work better, so everything BBM says is scientificly proven correct.
what am i missing? what has gone over my head?!
@@ScaRxFaceLP BB medicine copy most of rip's stuff, add some useless RPE stuff to it to make it inferior, market it for 50$ and put the labels "doctor" and "science" everywhere.
Oh and promise alan gains, now he's weaker.
1:15 thats the classic rippetoe lean
We’ve all gone through this process probably
The book is still the gold standard in how to perform the movements though.
Only their deadlift algorithm IMO. Rest can go to bin
They are all pointless because you don’t need a whole book to teach you how to do these lifts just 5 minutes with someone who already does them and or a UA-cam video
The way it teaches OHP is horrendous and the dogmatic way of calling low bar the end all be all to squats is retarded as it doesn’t factor in individual anatomy at all
@@nomongosinthaworld what's wrong with the OHP?
@@Mufasa9090 Ignore him, he is even more dogmatic than Rip.
I’m at the stage where I wish I never learned about working out and that I wish my parents made me learn piano or beat me when I didn’t study or something
Why tho
"Try Caring Less". This is the BEST advice in the world: just don't give a shit what others think. As long as you're not a dick, unless someone has something positive to say, or some really good advice, their opinion doesn't matter at all. This attitude also works for all 'social' media.
Step 5: Hears a doctor's voice shrieking in the distance: "IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!"
I subscribed to Alan's old video comparing low bar squat angles to the deadlift.
I also bought into the whole “low bar is superior, fuck high bar” mentality. Not a good idea. Low bar actually is more comfortable for me tho, so I just do low bar and front squats.
I never could even do low bar because flexibility issues, always did high bar and these days I do front and zerchers more as those help me more in everyday tasks. How often do you need to lift stuff on your shoulders vs lift and carry something in front of you?
Stage 5 is generally just one of the best things of becoming older and more experienced.
I'll be the contrarian of this comment section and say that Starting Strength is the absolute best school of thought for introducing people to strength training. Its rigor, simplicity and predictability cannot be found anywhere else. There, I said it.
@OVERCOME72 what exactly do you think should be different?
@OVERCOME72
If you’re still able to add weight, more volume is junk volume.
@OVERCOME72
When you can no longer add 5 lb, reduce intensity and add volume.
If you want unnecessary volume just do stronglifts 5x5.
@OVERCOME72
If that’s what you enjoy have fun.
@OVERCOME72
It’s a strength program. If you’re adding 5 lb you don’t need to add more volume to be able to continue adding 5 lb.
If more volume makes you happy that’s great.
But the metric is not happiness the metric is strength.
Eventually you’ll need to add more volume.
But I’ll bet 3x5 deadlifts along with 3x5 squats from the beginning is not going to help put weight on the bar. A: because that’s happening with 1x5, and B: it’s going to tax your recovery unnecessarily.
Add more volume when you need to.
holy shit that was a whole emotional journey
I can't lie though SS help me start consistent, honest training. If rip wasn't as much of a dogmatic a-hole my fickle teen brain would've ignored it.
Is he taking a shot at Rip in this video lol
A strength journey is not a simple one, kudos to him to getting as far as he has. All weighlifters have our own journey.
I remember my “low bar superior phase”. People started treating me like “excuse me sir do you have time to hear about our lord and savior…”
I've learned a ton from Alan, but this is still my favorite video
I know this video was supposed to be a joke. But, god do I respect the hell out of the message .
i think can maybe relate.. not exactly to SS but to lifting in general.. ive been lifting for almost 20 years, and nowdays i just train whatever i feel like.. no pressure over the weight, excercise, frequency or whatever.. i just dont care that much anymore, i just lift so i can maybe get older healthier than my dad did.. no need to constantly chase pbs
"I just lift so I can get older, healthier": That's the key...
"Have I tried 'Just caring less'?" - Hell, that was my Step 1...
If only I’d not wasted hours and hours watching training videos for the last 15 years and just watched this one. It doesn’t matter!
Sometimes I wonder if Alan is one of the people rip was talking about when he said they were in the process of hunting down and killing a few knuckleheads who made it through as starting strength coaches
Don't know what youre referring to but sounds epic lol
Rip was talking about people that weren't actually good coaches I believe, ones that got through during the earlier days.
Anyone who challenges or disagrees with the the teachings of SS will be considered a bad coach.
Still waiting on alan to get strong after he associated with BB medicine, it's been years and he's only getting weaker.
@@senselessnothing dude you are obsessed! You have made this similar comment in almost every comment thread. Get a life...
Sweet editing! And good sense of self-irony!
Wish we had some good seminars down here in the Netherlands. Or Europe in general.
There is a SSC in Brussels. I (not yet a SSC) also run weekend workshops based on the SS method in Warsaw.
@@ptm3188 didn't you watch the video? Do you expect people that went through Alan's experience to rush to ssc gyms?
Have you tried caring less?
@@TCA17 Yes.
Hey eindelijk een Nederlander, volg Alan zelf al jaren. Geniaal figuur!
i did that with westside barbell feels good to realize nothing really matters
Stage one: GITCHER FIVES
Stage two: HIP DRAAAAVE
Step 3: Hwhy
@@brockmeade4450 stage 4: moment arm
Love you Alan. Just a honest, funny and self-critical video 👍champions mentality here.
I really enjoyed this video, as well as all the previous snarky references to Rip and SS. However at this point it is starting to seem rather silly, like Alan just can't get over the whole "drama" that happened between SS and BBM when they were splitting up and right after that. That being said there is always a possibility of some nasty things that have happened behind the scenes, which would totally explain Alan's behaviour.
BTW I am still waiting for both sides to have a programming debate as it was foreshadowed in SS forums right before the split (although it is quite obvious who would win it anyways). Since Barbell Logic got expelled from Rippetoe's church maybe they could also participate in it, although I am not aware if their approach differs significantly enough from SS to be an actual third party in this discussion.
1- yes, three or four years from now he can do another video on how he was drinking the BBM Koolaide.
2- BBLogic is definitely morphing into something else other than/ beyond SS Programming.
There is a debate. Buy a $64.99 BBM template to hear their side.
@@mkdorkov123 that's interesting, even BB logic split from.
I follow BBM now and then and they are light years ahead most of the online strength peeps on injury rehab stuff.
I guess it helps they are up to current research papers...
@@bozoc2572
I guess you have to get injured or be in pain to appreciate BBM.
@@clownpocket If you take your training seriously, some sort of _injury _is inevitable. If you have a decent understanding of contemporary injury&pain science and practices you are saving yourself plenty of times getting stuck with shithole rehab practices.
As far as their programming goes, they are also up to date with the literature. And I was really surprised to hear Austin talk about a recent article on strength training I saw on loading&volume for strength training!
They can charge for their templates as much as they want, it should not bother you, nor should they give it for less or free if you want it. The market will decide. Personally, I think they offer poor value with those, but if you want to support them, go ahead!
probably the best training and/or coaching video ever ... probably .... eventually
I cannot lie: I miss Fat Alan. I like the Alan that ate a lot, gave no shits, lifted heavy and questioned less. Now, everyone must change and Alan will never go back to that because forward is the future. But the Alan that ended every day with a big-ass bowl of ice cream and chocolate syrup was fun. Nice to see him again here.
He looked like shit and I'm happy he did a cut like an adult
I hate the new Alan
The always rude Alan
Spaz in the gym Alan
I think Step 5 relates to my job... it's scary how much I say that at work.
This documents the Great Schism when disciples from the Church of Rippetoe realized that the church is not preaching to the true ideals of how to actually get strong. Those of us that followed the light when Jordan and Austin posted their 95 Theses on the internet boards and lead us on the true and right path to strength and health. Saint Alan is among the greats my brethren.
Rippetoe has got the "get fat" part down pat
I haven't even been training 3 years and I've gone through the phases, I'm around 4-5. Gone from only low bar squatting, using it as the core focus of any workout with the other lifts being useful extras, and being thicc. Now I'm like "damn, would be useful to get stronger at good mornings and do more dips, front squats and do more conditioning"
I think you are referring to the transition from novice to intermediate. The clue is in the name: Starting Strength. Starting. After that you are advised to follow the Texas Method. It's just a suggestion.
@@IrishOrtodoxa texas method is far from optimal though
@@its_james_fitness optimal for what?
These workout/strength channels are interesting. The ones who actually have the best concepts and principles to offer, seem to argue with each other the most.
I did SS for a while. (Couldnt handle the diet though)
It helped a great deal. Then I kept the basic principles and moved on. None of this is a big deal.
Alan, is that Alan Thrall in the backgound?
The video we need right now.