By saying "there s not a band in Seattle, that you could compare to Def Leppard" I guess he forgot Heart and Queensryche... They re both from Seattle too, right?....
Ironically, the hair metal generation grew up to lament the hypersexuality and hedonism in popular rap and hip hop. Chris is absolutely right in what he is saying though, that "don't need nothing but a good time" thing doesn't last and it isn't going to carry you through your toughest times.
Hair Metal fanboys are just jealous that rap/hip hop is now synonymous with sleaze and that they got relegated as corny remnants of a bygone era. Cornell and Soundgarden stood the test of time because their music was grounded in authentic and introspective moodscape, not in pompous transvestite looks and sleazy lifestyle.
It's kinda the same way with mainstream music today. That's is one of the main reasons why punk, alt rock and grunge appeals to me. BECAUSE YOU ARE A PART OF IT.
To be perfectly honest, Grunge had it's downsides too, just like Glam Metal. After Grunge had been mainstream for a little while and everybody wanted to be the next Nirvana, the whole sceen became saturated with young college kids, self loathing in the name radio friendly commercialism. A lot of my favorite bands are from that era, but it's ironic that Grunge became what it set out to redicule. And don't get me started on the fashion brands that started selling flannel shirts with a few holes in them for 299' dollars and called it "The Grunge Collection"...
Once the scene became a commodity, it started to become a joke. I'm glad you brought the whole "fashion brands" too. That was fucking retarded the way the dopey masses took to that!
He is SPOT ON with his Whitesnake depiction. It was the early 90's, unemployment was at record highs, life was not good. All the thing that Metal repped were things you were never gonna have. you didn't want to see a video of guys having the hottest girls , money everywhere and here you were unemployed, no money. Nirvana showed what most guys were REALLY going through. It wasn't a big party, girls didn't want us guys that were trying to make ends meet. Girls wanted the money. Nirvana said in their music what us males were saying. Life sux right now. This man may be the most honest I've ever seen and said things a lot of people would never have said. Well done Chris, may you have peace.
@@Yalbouou didn't even read what the comment said😂 cuz if you did, it's not about who plays the fastest pentatonic notes, it's about real life, something deeper than musical jacking off, u must've peaked in the 80s
He sure did know a lot about whitesnake. I grew up on both but the thing with hair metal is you can't look cool in make up and leather when you're 40 and you can only write about strippers so many times. Grunge or rock bands wrote about everything and anything.
C'mon, how many guys didn't masturbate to Whitesnake videos in the 80s? You didn't have to like the music. "Cherry Pie" was a mediocre song but the video was glorious.
Really? Check who sold out more albums and who had more top 10 hits in Billboard between Whitesnake and Soundgarden and reply back to me. I'll be here waiting....
@@mariolopez3728 it's your lucky day, you didn't have to wait much. Listen im not talking about albums sales. I liked both bands, I've seen both live. What I was saying was that you can't really go on wearing spandex well into your 50's and think that you look cool. Look at bon Jovi, they dress like regular guys singing about different topics. That's why they have lasted this long. Don't get butt hurt
@@mariolopez3728 Ha ha ha! that don't mean shit! By that rationale, Justin Bieber is a godlike musical genius, Jay Z is better than David Bowie and Tom Hanks is the greatest actor on earth because he won more than 1 Oscar! Record sales, awards, and top 10 hits, really dude? What year is this? Which band has the most amount of acclaim and respect, and will always be remembered as great musicians and songwriters? Soundgarden or Whitesnake? I'll be waiting too dude! ;)
Music is like food. You should have a wide variety of it. My music collection is a buffet table. I have everything from John Lee Hooker, John Coltrane and Johnny Cash. I got Pavarotti, Pantera and Patsy Cline. I've got Mozart, Metallica, Muddy Waters and Miles Davis.
Hair metal guys were prettier than me Thank you Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice in Chsins, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots and many more Grunge and Alternative Rock Bands that put an end to Hair Metal, a big thank you for that great change in music
I was in my mid 20's when grunge really came out. I loved it!!! (Still do). I was overjoyed that FINALLY there was music that said something, meant something and made you think. I was more than ready for a change back then, and we need one now to shake up the status quo. Miss Chris, Kurt and all the others we've lost. Miss the music that could've been 🙁🙁.
@Slave Of Christ From what I've read, I'm pretty sure it was the result of his medication. You know in the commercials when they list the side effects and say " may increase depression or cause suicidal thoughts or actions" . At least that's what it seemed like to me.
@Slave Of Christ his wife said it wasnt a suicide but before i'd even talk about that i'd talk about how she said he wasnt himself that night when they spoke over the phone, and ut couldve been due to his meds since he had a show that same night.
Funny thing about glam was that the music itself wasn't really all that bad. Sometimes you could get some pretty good riffs and solos out of that scene. It was just very... manufactured. You do a certain thing, and sing about certain themes, and you get on the radio and make a lot of money. Very little came out of that genre that was genuine. For comparison... Mother Love Bone, which was pretty much a glam band in both musical style and fashion. But you would NEVER get Poison to write lyrics as meaningful and emotional as Crown of Thorns.
I like both genres. It’s kind of sad how the frontmen in grunge music have died/ committed suicide. Kurt Cobain, Layne Staley, Chris Cornell, Shannon Hoon, Andrew Patrick Wood... grunge was dark and and heavy as for glam metal was about excess and having fun.Then you look at glam metal frontmen like Bret Michaels, Vince Neil, Stephen Pearcy, and David Coverdale are still alive!
I like that your able to apriciate both genres that’s awsome I myself grew up on the hair metal stuff my sisters had Bon jovi cds then I got into I’d say the babes with a tougher sound so motley crue and ratt spring to mind was never a fan of 80s Aerosmith or whitesnake I thought they were ok but not really like they were anyway I agree glam should have ended but I’m not a fan of them being bashed as they did give us great music
The world is filled with different people with different lifestyles, sometimes these different people and lifestyles aren't so cut and dry, like glam fashion came from proto punk bands like the new york dolls. But no glam metal fan would ever admit that
When these bands popped up in late 80’s early 90’s I was going through a lot of crap and at a crossroads. Alice In Chains “Would” turned my head and I started diving into that music scene because I thought it represented a better form of reality and identified with what I was going through and I still listen to it today.
@Shelby Graham: My point is Music is a business n Pantera was Glam at first so was Alice IN Chains before they got big. Just had to change look to fit the times... It no coincidene Phil Anselmo shaved his head at the early prime of Pantera. My point is all these morons here talking shit about hair Metal when it clear to Me Grunge is the inferior of the two. EVERYONE overlooks Japan in the 90;s continued hair Metal scene but called it Virtual Kai but was same shit only with more progressive sound.
Ofcourse Bon Jovi was in the 80s a glamrock band, but when you look at their music in the 90s albums like Keep the Faith and especially These Days were real serious and deep minded music! Other glamrock bands just dissapeared but Bon Jovi still was in the 90s a band that proved the test of time! Lot of people forget that. Im not a Bon Jovi fan, but I just figured it out
IMO that’s just b/c BJ were way bigger than their contemporaries. Other bigger bands like Guns N Roses (notwithstanding band relations) and Motley also survived.
I was a teenager in the 80's.. Hated, HATED HAIR BANDS! Thank God for grunge that came along! That was REAL FUCKING MUSIC! LY Chris Cornell!!! R.I.P. DOLL! 🌷
"Safe outside my gilded cage with an ounce of pain I wield a ton of rage......" I miss this dude so freakin' much it physically hurts. Soundgarden rules!
Chris dismissed that MTV makes and breaks, it has nothing to do with what ppl like to listen to. MTV and the media tell ppl what to like. MTV killed 80s Rock, just like MTV made 90s Alternative Rock. Sad part about this is that music should be fun, not dark or hateful. Saddest part about this video is the judgment. No one is better then the other, do and like what you do and like. Just make sure you let others do the same.
Then don't tell people how music should be. From a musician's standpoint, Soundgarden stretched rock into areas no other bands knew to go, and played in keys other than C, G, and D and didn't talk about Cherry Pies and have women in bikinis in their videos. Yes, they were better musicians and Thayil blows minds. I can listen to "Like Suicide" when I'm perfectly happy. Because Matt Cameron is a beast drummer and makes the word Groove reality. 80s hair bands are garbage. Period.
@@briansnead4787 No way in hell do the 90 bands even get close to the 70s and 80s rock bands. Your hero's learned everything from them. Your 90s groups lead singer all killed themselves , yah they were so great they couldn't hang in the world like you and I are doing. All the great music has been done and it was done along time ago. Sound Garden is good but great or greatest. Nope not even a little close. Deep Purple, Van Halen, Rush, Ozzy come on bro my guys are still alive. All your guys did was copy the old stuff and let the glam bands take there course. Glam bands were fun, just like hip hop is . Alternative Emos need to relax.
80's "hair bands" which wasn't called that back during those days. It was just hard rock or metal really. And I don't think they cared nearly as much about the 'image' as the managers and the fans did. Cause I remember seeing a lot of those "artists" off stage and they just wore regular jeans, tshirts and hair back in a pony tail, it wasn't teased w/ tons of aqua-net. But back then that's what sold, so in order to get a label, and sale records you had to have all that craziness to go w/ it. But I think they cared about their music, cause if you go back and listen they had great music, great melodies, great solo's.
I grew up in the 80's and never heard the term "Hair band" till the 90's. They were just hard rock or Heavy Metal.. later on we started referring to some as Glam.. but.. not in the mid 80's.
Dude i grew up in the 80's and yeah we all called them hair/glam bands(to put it nicely). I listened to all types of heavy metal, hard rock and early Soundgarden mid 80's. Warrant, Winger, Whitesnake, White Lion all a joke...never called heavy anything especially metal. Heavy makeup is more like it, ha.
Ryan - I still only listen to the 80s glam rock and have met a lot of them. They are just cool guys off stage and just like to hang out with their fans. Even my daughter has talked music subjects with them and they were trippin that someone her age knew every song. Rock on 🤘
I like Grunge But truth be told, Grunge was the death knell for rock. As a genre, rock has not been respected (or respected less and less) since the Grunge era. Great music. But also music that was so depressing, that it almost took down the entire genre.
I can go from Alice in Chains and Soundgarden to Great White, Cinderella and LA Guns..and then Mudhoney and Mother Love Bone with some Enuff Z Nuff thrown in the middle... Whatever gets you on... :)
@@eriklusk6020 Nice taste you got going on there. My favorite bands are Metallica, Nirvana, Kiss and Motley Crue. But I listen to Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Ratt, Guns N Roses, System of A Down etc too. I dont understand Metal elitists who can only stick with 1 genre of metal and talk crap about the other ones
The interesting thing though is that ultimately, the grunge bands and their audiences DID have a look, and though those bands didn't realize it at the time it did indeed make an impact on the commerical success of those bands. They created a brand from scratch without even realizing it. Once the labels found a way to market it it was game over. Grunge became the new fashion, and it skyrocketed.
I love Chris Cornell, God he left to soon😢, he knew what he was doing, how he was doing it, and why. He's was so big, I loved his voice, his eyes, his style, and that face omg , he struggled with his own demon's more than people realized, but after he passed, I felt everything on this fucked up planet didn't matter very much anymore, your are so missed, Chris, you don't even know😞
I agree. There was a sort of rebellion from glam rock and "perfect people" pop like Wilson Phillips and Michael Jackson playing out and grunge was the soundtrack to that rebellion. Looking back, I can appreciate all the different genres for what they were now.
The saddest thing is that grunge ended up going the same way as glam/hair metal eventually, and it's all because of the music industry. The original Trinity of Glam were Mötley Crüe, Ratt and W.A.S.P. Those 3 bands were similar but still had their own distinctive sounds. But then they became popular and then along came a load of other bands who were either riding on their coat tails or just doing what was popular. You got Cinderella and Poison who then gave way to Extreme and Warrant. When the Big Four of grunge arrived, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Alice In Chains, it was something completely different. But then they bacame popular and along came Bush and Creed who then gave way to Nickleback. If there's anything that kills a movement, whatever that movement is, it's the industry. I loved Guns N' Roses Appetite for Destruction album when it first came out but then the radio and MTV just played it to death. They then did the same thing with Nevermind. Even now they only ever play the hits. When they play Metallica it's always something off the Black Album. When they play Megadeth it's always Symphony of Destruction. When they play Iron Maiden it's always something from the first Bruce Dickinson era. It gets boring very quickly and when something different comes along it's like a breath of fresh air. Having said all that though, the 90s was the last great decade for music because at the turn of the millennium the internet, reality TV and celebrity culture just took over everything.
A Ahmed...hate to be judgemental...maybe you’re already doing this, but maybe stop complaining about the industry and make some interesting contributions yourself?
Wasp never was a glam band. They have a horror image and a much heavier sound than a typical hair band. They have been associated with LA glam because of hairspray abuse.
@@MikaelLewisify horrible? They are great to me and Blackie Lawless is a helluva frontman. Even Motley Crue wasn't really glam on their first two records.
Man someone should really do a video essay on Soundgarden and Existentialist. There are so many songs from their catalogue that deal with existentialism.
Metallica, Megadeth and other thrash metal bands preceded grunge and wrote about social and other subjects, and made better music in my opinion. Grunge bands were not the first to do that
I agree with most of what you said. Death was writing about environmental issues and social injustice around the same time Soundgarden was in mid 80's. I think both kinds of music will survive or be revisited. I never considered SG to be grunge music anyway. They are nothing like the other so called big 3.
Opinions vary and each to their own. In my humble 2 cents worth - The image of Glam was absolutely SHIT. However, they have some of the best rock ballads to date. Grunge was good, but I find it ironic that their lyrical content was 'claimed to be' the truth and yet 2 of the grunge icons takes their own life (Depression etc.) whilst the Glam era (lyrical content) was about Partying, Chicks and having a good time and they are still touring to date in their age of 50s. They still look in great shape to most 50 year olds even without their shitty make up! Above all else, I think Gun's N Roses (Appetite for Destruction) was the killer of Glam-Metal..Cheers
@@sparklepusspolish4920 - 'It was gritty and more true to life' Spot on! Which pretty much sums up the whole Hollywood sunset strip era during the mid to late 80's which Guns N Roses conquered. Cheers
Always liked the Seattle sound, I thought hair bands sucked. Was very happy to see glam and hair bands fade away. Chris was and is my favorite male singer, real rock.
The music that slaughtered the hairband era opened up the possibility for almost anyone to Create great music and art. In other words, there wasn’t a required image per se. That allowed so much great art To be produced in the form of music. So glad I was alive during that time
Exactly and now theres a template for how u should sound so everythings the same protool over edited pop sound no matter if its "country" "rock" or anyrhing else miss when artist cared about music and there was some rawness and feeling to it
Garth Applebee definitely agree and sure...there are a handful of great bands out there playing now but you have to find them. Cornell and grunge found ME back then lol. You couldn’t avoid hearing it even if you had wanted to.
Very true the band i found myself listening to lately is pretty reckless and i love shes raw and real which shows maybe there are people who wanna bring back real rock cause to me rock n roll is the freedom of making what u wanns make and dont caring its perfect to the t
greeenpro funny, because Layne Staley of Alice in Chains and most of AIC were in hair metal bands. Look up "Diamond Lie Renton". That's early Alice in Chains
I liked both, as I like metal, hard rock, classic rock, hip hop, r&b, country, music an open platform, you like and listen. I respect you if you do or don’t like different music. Metal, hard n classic rock my favorite genres, I still like variety.
For me, Grunge music will always be about everyday people's problems like, real stuff, and not that imaginary thing that 1980s Rock music were about: really hot girls, expensive cars and houses, tons of drugs, etc.
Agree 100% and the exact same thing is happening to hip hop in this day. Used to be about the struggle and coming from nothing now it's just name drop as many designer clothing brands and supercars as you can.
@@spenserphoenix yup but I'm surprised most everyday people haven't seen through the bling rap thing. It's still prevalent. That's why I don't totally buy the death of hair metal being unrelatable music - a certain amount of music has always been escapism. Hair metal faded more due to music industry influence more I'd say
Well said! He was definitely one of the most respected songwriter and musicians to come out of the Washington scene! I don't say Seattle, do to fact that Alice in chains formed in the Spanaway,Tacoma Wa area like Nirvana from Aberdeen, Melvins, and Green river, the list is endless! There is such a massive rich culture of musicians from Washington State! Seattle is just what people think of when they hear grunge. Hate that term, it's just good music man! More heavy Rock but everyone has to label everything rite...
Russell Mostrom AIC not from Seattle?, I thought I watched interview where Jerry said he saw Layne first song in Tacoma m he came down from Seattle. Jerry was from Tacoma area, but Layne knew Mike n Sean from Seattle area nosocomial Bank. I def have heard Nirvana was Aberdeen. Anyway, just curious not saying ur wrong, Wa. Def been a great music scene then N now from what I’ve read.
Agree with you completely. And far as i know Chris was the only one born and raised in Seattle, of all the bands. Even Andy Wood was born & lived in Mississippi for a while.
I was 8th 9th grade when the grunge hit and we wanted relatable shit. We needed our reality put to music and that's exactly what Chris and the scene did. Chris Layne Curt Scott all of were someone I could be sitting next to in Trig class. He absolutely 💯 described what shift took place and there was depth to the lyrics
“If you're going to be a fucking rock star go be one. People don't want to see the guy next door on stage; they want to see a being from another planet. You want to see somebody you'd never meet in ordinary life.” ― Lemmy Kilmister
@@LuisAngel-mu4zv the “guy next door” that crept into rock in the 90s took the magic away from the music. Having a larger than life persona is a big part of that magic. Grunge burnt out as quickly as punk did because there was no mystery and no magic.
The part at the end is the most interesting to me. There is a quality in building teams I learned in sales called duplicatiblity and it worked to shed peoples fear bc it meant that regardless of how polished or good at sales (or whatever) one is there is actually a better chance you can convince someone else they can succeed if you just put forth the effort. In fact, a lot of times if you don't seem slick or adept but plow forward with effort you are actually much more likely to convince someone on your team they can too bc they don't have to be intimidated by how good you are at it. That said, while grunge had it's merit it was actually far more pretentious than it claims hair metal to be. Kids, It really is ok to enjoy your youth, to want to party and be happy instead of feeling obligated to mope over Meat Puppets records and Kafka novels. You will only be young once and those who grew up just 5 years later than I did, I fear, were convinced by the zeitgeist of the time they had to be miserable during the prime of their adolescence. That makes me sad.
Why I love grunge music - it's real and it's relatable. Plus, it's actually creative, and they're trying different things, and making music they love and feel, rather than just to appeal to as wide of an audience as possible so you can buy another jaguar/stripper.
I really didn't care if a song was about a stripper or not, if it had a good melody, riff, hook, etc, I dug it. I remeber the "hair bands" wwre always called "posers". But when you think about it, they were just doing what they wanted and havign fun with it. The so called"grunge" thing was more of a pose to me. they were consciously playing a role in NOT being anything like the 80's metal bands.
They knew that. Grunge isn't for "everyone else". They were unhappy people writing songs about unhappy things. Doesn't make them "posers" at all. It makes them different in a way that you dont seem to understand.
I don't think that's completely true, Alice In Chains stuck to their metal roots more or less, and many (if not all) of them were metal heads. Not all metal in the 80's was hair metal, but I agree with you that the 80's hair metal bands were just simply living and having fun.
The most successful Classic Rock bands like Jimi, The Beatles and The Rolling Stones wrote songs about debauchery, while also being socially and personally aware. It was a healthy balance. That was where both Grunge and Hair Metal got it wrong. Lack of balance, and there is no denying it hurt Rock music commercially.
The real difference was that Glam wasn't built on musicianship, it was built on outfits, hair, sex appeal, hastily produced ballads, it was more of a product and scene than music. You will never hear any true musician sit down with an acoustic guitar and play "Girls Girls Girls" or "Shes My Cherry Pie". Grunge was more introspective, more creative. It wasn't all necessarily sad but it was intellectual, creative. I can take a lot of Pearl Jam or Soundgarden songs and play it today on a guitar and they would still sound beautiful. The impact with Grunge is still felt today. It's still listened to today. Look at any Nirvana song and it will have 150 million views. Something like Poison is lucky to have 5 million. Glam just was not built to last.
I really have no dog in this fight but I was around for both glam and grunge and glam lasted WAY longer than grunge. Not only that, but to say that glam bands with excellent guitarists weren’t built on musicianship but grunge bands playing 3 chords were is hilarious. There’s a guy only a few comments up that mentions this. The glam bands were unquestionably far superior musicians. Lastly, of course the band with the frontman that died in the early 90’s at the peak of their popularity is gonna have a shitload of UA-cam views due to nostalgia.
I think that although grunge was focusing more on the reality of life and mostly the sad reality,80s metal and hard rock were all about making good music with amazing solos and melodies in which the music is uplifting and rebellious in some cases whereas the grunge scene seemed to be music in which it was relatable for most people it also emphasises peoples own problems which gives the type of music and overall dull and depressing mood in my opinion however i still listen to my fair share of grunge but more so the 80s hard rock and metal is the one that has stuck with me not because I focus on their lives or appearances but their music and lyrics are the things that make it .
his opinion doesn’t make glam/80s metal less important in the history of popular music….in my teenage years/youth it was how my life was going out, partying girls etc, there’d be no way i would have wanted to listen to grunge if it was around then…. go forward 5yrs..newly married, low payed job, economy tanking etc and grunge was more appropriate for my ears and mental state… fast forward 30yrs to now and i find grunge really hard to listen to, its cringey but in a different way…life has changed along with many different music eras…. we need to stop holding grunge up as the saviour it was…its just another era
I loved how he explained it. And it made me remember why I fell in love with grunge over my first love of glam. He was spot on with it. I related to grunge more.
Grunge took itself to seriously... hair metal wasn’t serious at all ... country music has disappeared... rap is a cesspool.... I don’t like genres, but I like artists/groups/songs regardless of time or classification
Everyone keeps emphasizing on grunge vs glam metal/rock, but people were sort of butting heads with glam before the "grunge" era was even around, Metallica (80's metal band) expressed their distaste for the glam thing as many other bands did. And I find it a bit annoying that people think 80's metal automatically equals glam metal, I get it was popular, but it's just ignorant.
Some Hair Metal is alright, like L.A. Guns (although I don't exactly consider them Hair Metal.) Sure it can be fun to listen to, but I'm not always in the mood for fun, good time music. Sometimes I need some Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, etc. Sometimes I gotta mix the music up.
So to recap. He was jealous of the 80s bands who lived the life of 10 men, had chops, and are still relevant enough to have current movies made about them.
I was thinking the same. Why did I not care about either of these genres? Because thrash existed , then death metal and everything else was just the garbage on the radio.
Kinda ironic a drug addict complaining about the rockstar lifestyle. "They cared more about their looks than the music". So because those guys took pride in their appearance that makes your music better? Grunge had a style as well. You all dressed a certain way to give off a certain look.
These guys were addicts before they became big, I don't know any grunge band that had that "rock star" lifestyle tbf. The hair bands didn't take pride in their appearance, it was a gimmick, look at all the bands that were hair that went metal or grunge. Pantera , AIC, Mr Big etc. were all hair bands at a point
@@jayrodm643 you just admitted they were addicts then straight after said "I don't know any grunge band that had that rock star lifestyle". So which is it? You just said 2 claims that are the exact opposite of each other. They did take pride in their appearance, it's not a "gimmick" it's reality. The better looking you are the more popular you will be. Imagine Grease with a bunch of fat bald middle aged guys playing the parts, you really think that would have sold better? Pantera were a failed glam band and they jumped on the bandwagon when it was no longer popular. Idk much about AIC so can't comment. Mr. Big were never a hair metal band they were always a hard rock band. They never wore makeup, or spandex and sparkly jackets.
@@Fireglo There are plenty of addicts who aren't rockstars, some of them were homeless to exactly extravagant. A lot of them were heroin addicts, not really as "rockstar" as cocaine.
@@Fireglo There was a Mr Big interview where they said they felt pressured into wearing makeup and having big hair, then pearl jam came along and showed them they could perform like a couple of normal guys. It really was a gimmick, the same way kiss wear their make up or slipknot and their masks, it's really about shock value
@@jayrodm643 of course there was pressure but their music videos and live footage doesn't lie. Mr. Big never wore makeup. Billy was probably referring to his time in the David Lee Roth band where he did wear makeup most likely not out of his own free will as he was in someone else's band, Mr. Big is Billy's band he founded it and calls the shots.. He never wore makeup in Mr. Big. Find me one picture of Mr. Big wearing makeup, just one.
I'm a person who grew up at the perfect time I got the enjoy great pop music I got the enjoy great rock music or hair metal I got the enjoy phenomenal Grunge music and then later on Nu metal. One thing all these music genres have in common. The large number unfortunately ended up becoming addicted to drugs or alcohol and a lot of times it had to do with depression and problems that people weren't even aware these people had. I hope we'll be able at some point to diagnose these problems ahead of time and hopefully we can save a lot of lives.
![Chris Cornell backstage with Andrew Wood [ Part 2 ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/yrzByBKGxXA/mqdefault.jpg)
It’s nice to listen to a rock musician who isn’t an idiot. It’s too bad he left us.
For real
His description of hair metal bands’ aesthetic is very similar to today’s rap. Perhaps that genre needs its “grunge”.
Already happened, it was emo rap
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Absolutely, Rap is already over since the late 90s... What came after is just uninspired bears n jingles, no fight, no real energy, no punch...
By saying "there s not a band in Seattle, that you could compare to Def Leppard" I guess he forgot Heart and Queensryche... They re both from Seattle too, right?....
It was supposed to be Macklemore's "Same Love", but the hip hop community pulled the race card.
Ironically, the hair metal generation grew up to lament the hypersexuality and hedonism in popular rap and hip hop. Chris is absolutely right in what he is saying though, that "don't need nothing but a good time" thing doesn't last and it isn't going to carry you through your toughest times.
Hair Metal fanboys are just jealous that rap/hip hop is now synonymous with sleaze and that they got relegated as corny remnants of a bygone era. Cornell and Soundgarden stood the test of time because their music was grounded in authentic and introspective moodscape, not in pompous transvestite looks and sleazy lifestyle.
@@deadstar44 boom! Truth.
@@deadstar44 well damn it now you've done it. I have to name my next band the pompous transvestites!
@@joere-uploader5766 Long enough not to overstay it's welcome like hair metal did.
@@joere-uploader5766 That's a good one also
It's kinda the same way with mainstream music today. That's is one of the main reasons why punk, alt rock and grunge appeals to me.
BECAUSE YOU ARE A PART OF IT.
Cant wait for the next grunge to blow this shit away
@@chip9649 yes
To be perfectly honest, Grunge had it's downsides too, just like Glam Metal. After Grunge had been mainstream for a little while and everybody wanted to be the next Nirvana, the whole sceen became saturated with young college kids, self loathing in the name radio friendly commercialism.
A lot of my favorite bands are from that era, but it's ironic that Grunge became what it set out to redicule.
And don't get me started on the fashion brands that started selling flannel shirts with a few holes in them for 299' dollars and called it "The Grunge Collection"...
At least grunge was real music, and not mindless manufactured crap that glam is
@@skyedge3407 Glam was real music too
@@skyedge3407
Define "Real music"
@@rickyspanish3053
Glam Metal is The reggaeton of Heavy Metal
Once the scene became a commodity, it started to become a joke. I'm glad you brought the whole "fashion brands" too. That was fucking retarded the way the dopey masses took to that!
Grunge was and is a tragic scene man. All of the big front mans of it (beside Eddie) either OD’d or committed suicide.
andy wood
kurt cobain
layne staley
chris cornell
For real
@@jaxmadge9135Scott weiland
He is SPOT ON with his Whitesnake depiction. It was the early 90's, unemployment was at record highs, life was not good. All the thing that Metal repped were things you were never gonna have. you didn't want to see a video of guys having the hottest girls , money everywhere and here you were unemployed, no money. Nirvana showed what most guys were REALLY going through. It wasn't a big party, girls didn't want us guys that were trying to make ends meet. Girls wanted the money. Nirvana said in their music what us males were saying. Life sux right now. This man may be the most honest I've ever seen and said things a lot of people would never have said. Well done Chris, may you have peace.
John Sykes has more talent in his pinky then every grunge or alternative musician
@@Yalbouou didn't even read what the comment said😂 cuz if you did, it's not about who plays the fastest pentatonic notes, it's about real life, something deeper than musical jacking off, u must've peaked in the 80s
@@YalbouNice troll, I guess this is a new sort of advertisement for new artist trying to make end's meet
@@DeedatFX cope
@@Yalbou May you mald more
One of the best songwriters on Earth.
RIP CC😞
Sure was!
The best
Chris Cornell was a chameleon in the music industry
I'm a rock and metal music lover, so obviously I'm a fan of both Hair/Glam Metal and Grunge.
What beautiful eyes! Chris Cornell we miss you so much, beautiful! I love you... 😍❤🎤🎶
He sure did know a lot about whitesnake. I grew up on both but the thing with hair metal is you can't look cool in make up and leather when you're 40 and you can only write about strippers so many times. Grunge or rock bands wrote about everything and anything.
C'mon, how many guys didn't masturbate to Whitesnake videos in the 80s? You didn't have to like the music. "Cherry Pie" was a mediocre song but the video was glorious.
@@Gerkinstock But how does that make the music any good?
Really? Check who sold out more albums and who had more top 10 hits in Billboard between Whitesnake and Soundgarden and reply back to me. I'll be here waiting....
@@mariolopez3728 it's your lucky day, you didn't have to wait much. Listen im not talking about albums sales. I liked both bands, I've seen both live. What I was saying was that you can't really go on wearing spandex well into your 50's and think that you look cool. Look at bon Jovi, they dress like regular guys singing about different topics. That's why they have lasted this long. Don't get butt hurt
@@mariolopez3728 Ha ha ha! that don't mean shit! By that rationale, Justin Bieber is a godlike musical genius, Jay Z is better than David Bowie and Tom Hanks is the greatest actor on earth because he won more than 1 Oscar! Record sales, awards, and top 10 hits, really dude? What year is this? Which band has the most amount of acclaim and respect, and will always be remembered as great musicians and songwriters? Soundgarden or Whitesnake? I'll be waiting too dude! ;)
There will never be another Chris 💔. RIP, beautiful man
Yes there will be it's a pretty popular name to give a baby boy.
Ba dum tss
Music is like food. You should have a wide variety of it. My music collection is a buffet table. I have everything from John Lee Hooker, John Coltrane and Johnny Cash. I got Pavarotti, Pantera and Patsy Cline. I've got Mozart, Metallica, Muddy Waters and Miles Davis.
That's a great comment
Same here. Classical music × death metal is one of my fav combo
True music appreciation...😉👍
Agreed. My old iPod has everything on it. From Country to Rock to Blues to Pop to Rap.
Diversity in music is great. I love listening to foreign music honestly.
Hair metal guys were prettier than me
Thank you Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice in Chsins, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots and many more Grunge and Alternative Rock Bands that put an end to Hair Metal, a big thank you for that great change in music
I was in my mid 20's when grunge really came out. I loved it!!! (Still do). I was overjoyed that FINALLY there was music that said something, meant something and made you think. I was more than ready for a change back then, and we need one now to shake up the status quo. Miss Chris, Kurt and all the others we've lost. Miss the music that could've been 🙁🙁.
So sad that he is no longer with us.
@Slave Of Christ From what I've read, I'm pretty sure it was the result of his medication. You know in the commercials when they list the side effects and say " may increase depression or cause suicidal thoughts or actions" . At least that's what it seemed like to me.
@slaveofchrist that was not a very christ-like comment.
He was a thinking mans drug addict
@Slave Of Christ his wife said it wasnt a suicide but before i'd even talk about that i'd talk about how she said he wasnt himself that night when they spoke over the phone, and ut couldve been due to his meds since he had a show that same night.
@Slave Of Christ so sad to see christians judging dead people
Funny thing about glam was that the music itself wasn't really all that bad. Sometimes you could get some pretty good riffs and solos out of that scene. It was just very... manufactured. You do a certain thing, and sing about certain themes, and you get on the radio and make a lot of money. Very little came out of that genre that was genuine.
For comparison... Mother Love Bone, which was pretty much a glam band in both musical style and fashion. But you would NEVER get Poison to write lyrics as meaningful and emotional as Crown of Thorns.
It's garbage...
@@zatoichimasseur6767because it isn't GiRls GiRls gIrLs?
The first two Motley Crue albums were great, they were edgy and rough.
No, it was complete garbage.
I like both genres. It’s kind of sad how the frontmen in grunge music have died/ committed suicide. Kurt Cobain, Layne Staley, Chris Cornell, Shannon Hoon, Andrew Patrick Wood... grunge was dark and and heavy as for glam metal was about excess and having fun.Then you look at glam metal frontmen like Bret Michaels, Vince Neil, Stephen Pearcy, and David Coverdale are still alive!
Three of them you mentioned were accidental OD's not ruled suicide..
Tool's Annie Yes I know that very well... A slash is used to signify alternatives, just like this fine example, “have died/ committed suicide.”
I like that your able to apriciate both genres that’s awsome I myself grew up on the hair metal stuff my sisters had Bon jovi cds then I got into I’d say the babes with a tougher sound so motley crue and ratt spring to mind was never a fan of 80s Aerosmith or whitesnake I thought they were ok but not really like they were anyway I agree glam should have ended but I’m not a fan of them being bashed as they did give us great music
The fake Survive
The world is filled with different people with different lifestyles, sometimes these different people and lifestyles aren't so cut and dry, like glam fashion came from proto punk bands like the new york dolls. But no glam metal fan would ever admit that
When these bands popped up in late 80’s early 90’s I was going through a lot of crap and at a crossroads. Alice In Chains “Would” turned my head and I started diving into that music scene because I thought it represented a better form of reality and identified with what I was going through and I still listen to it today.
hate 2 break it 2 ya but Alice in chains was Glam hair band at first just look early videos the bassist had makeup!
Yes I know, but they were not when I got into them.
So was Pantera, what’s your point? They were glam so I shouldn’t listen to them or they can’t change their message?
@Shelby Graham: My point is Music is a business n Pantera was Glam at first so was Alice IN Chains before they got big. Just had to change look to fit the times... It no coincidene Phil Anselmo shaved his head at the early prime of Pantera. My point is all these morons here talking shit about hair Metal when it clear to Me Grunge is the inferior of the two. EVERYONE overlooks Japan in the 90;s continued hair Metal scene but called it Virtual Kai but was same shit only with more progressive sound.
265308 Well, it helped me out, that’s for sure.
Very smart man miss you forever CC
Ofcourse Bon Jovi was in the 80s a glamrock band, but when you look at their music in the 90s albums like Keep the Faith and especially These Days were real serious and deep minded music! Other glamrock bands just dissapeared but Bon Jovi still was in the 90s a band that proved the test of time! Lot of people forget that. Im not a Bon Jovi fan, but I just figured it out
you mean thats it shiz
They and Def Leppard were the ones that survived.
100% agree man, Jovi we're always the leaders of the genre and their 90s output was superb serious heavy (in their context) and meaningful
IMO that’s just b/c BJ were way bigger than their contemporaries. Other bigger bands like Guns N Roses (notwithstanding band relations) and Motley also survived.
Never liked Bon Jovi's music. It apoealed to big-haired women in the 80's. Anyone who thought they "Rocked" just didn't 'get' Rock & Roll...
I was a teenager in the 80's.. Hated, HATED HAIR BANDS! Thank God for grunge that came along! That was REAL FUCKING MUSIC! LY Chris Cornell!!! R.I.P. DOLL! 🌷
so real that it has only 5 chords😅🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Safe outside my gilded cage
with an ounce of pain
I wield a ton of rage......" I miss this dude so freakin' much it physically hurts. Soundgarden rules!
Precious Man...I miss you!! R.I.P.💙🙏🏻💙
Say Hello 2 Heaven, Chris. We miss you and your one of a kind voice down here. Hope you're at peace
Chris had always been so wise. I miss him so much
Chris dismissed that MTV makes and breaks, it has nothing to do with what ppl like to listen to. MTV and the media tell ppl what to like. MTV killed 80s Rock, just like MTV made 90s Alternative Rock. Sad part about this is that music should be fun, not dark or hateful. Saddest part about this video is the judgment. No one is better then the other, do and like what you do and like. Just make sure you let others do the same.
And now MTV sucks ass
Then don't tell people how music should be. From a musician's standpoint, Soundgarden stretched rock into areas no other bands knew to go, and played in keys other than C, G, and D and didn't talk about Cherry Pies and have women in bikinis in their videos. Yes, they were better musicians and Thayil blows minds. I can listen to "Like Suicide" when I'm perfectly happy. Because Matt Cameron is a beast drummer and makes the word Groove reality. 80s hair bands are garbage. Period.
@@briansnead4787 No way in hell do the 90 bands even get close to the 70s and 80s rock bands. Your hero's learned everything from them. Your 90s groups lead singer all killed themselves , yah they were so great they couldn't hang in the world like you and I are doing. All the great music has been done and it was done along time ago. Sound Garden is good but great or greatest. Nope not even a little close. Deep Purple, Van Halen, Rush, Ozzy come on bro my guys are still alive. All your guys did was copy the old stuff and let the glam bands take there course. Glam bands were fun, just like hip hop is . Alternative Emos need to relax.
Killing themselves has nothing to do with anything. Are those bands great? Yes. But they don't Djent...
I like dark and hateful music
I agree with everything he said
No their not
@Kirby Little
Sorry it's true a majority of the hair bands sounded the same, and did care more about their hair than there music
Chris Cornell 😙❤❤❤
80's "hair bands" which wasn't called that back during those days. It was just hard rock or metal really. And I don't think they cared nearly as much about the 'image' as the managers and the fans did. Cause I remember seeing a lot of those "artists" off stage and they just wore regular jeans, tshirts and hair back in a pony tail, it wasn't teased w/ tons of aqua-net. But back then that's what sold, so in order to get a label, and sale records you had to have all that craziness to go w/ it. But I think they cared about their music, cause if you go back and listen they had great music, great melodies, great solo's.
Ryan T ... I grew up then and they definitely were called hair bands back then. I know we called them that.
I grew up in the 80's and never heard the term "Hair band" till the 90's. They were just hard rock or Heavy Metal.. later on we started referring to some as Glam.. but.. not in the mid 80's.
Ryan T, I called them hair bands back in the mid-80s, but I wasn’t a fan of that type of music.
Dude i grew up in the 80's and yeah we all called them hair/glam bands(to put it nicely). I listened to all types of heavy metal, hard rock and early Soundgarden mid 80's. Warrant, Winger, Whitesnake, White Lion all a joke...never called heavy anything especially metal. Heavy makeup is more like it, ha.
Ryan - I still only listen to the 80s glam rock and have met a lot of them. They are just cool guys off stage and just like to hang out with their fans. Even my daughter has talked music subjects with them and they were trippin that someone her age knew every song. Rock on 🤘
Just be yourself no matter who you are🙂
"Be yourself is all that you can do" - Chris Cornell...🎶
Soundgarden, May 2013.
Never seen a band that my ears still rang 4 days later.
I like Grunge But truth be told, Grunge was the death knell for rock. As a genre, rock has not been respected (or respected less and less) since the Grunge era. Great music. But also music that was so depressing, that it almost took down the entire genre.
What a huge loss. RIP Chris loved and missed dearly. His eyes were always so sad. Miss ya bro
Am I the only one who listens to both glam metal and grunge?
I do like too its seems to me the ying yang the balance of life
I can go from Alice in Chains and Soundgarden to Great White, Cinderella and LA Guns..and then Mudhoney and Mother Love Bone with some Enuff Z Nuff thrown in the middle...
Whatever gets you on... :)
@@larussural Youre completely right lmao
@@eriklusk6020 Nice taste you got going on there. My favorite bands are Metallica, Nirvana, Kiss and Motley Crue. But I listen to Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Ratt, Guns N Roses, System of A Down etc too.
I dont understand Metal elitists who can only stick with 1 genre of metal and talk crap about the other ones
Lol no dude I do too. people dont believe it. poison then I play screaming trees
R.I.P. Chris. You left us too soon. That was some great music.
The interesting thing though is that ultimately, the grunge bands and their audiences DID have a look, and though those bands didn't realize it at the time it did indeed make an impact on the commerical success of those bands. They created a brand from scratch without even realizing it. Once the labels found a way to market it it was game over. Grunge became the new fashion, and it skyrocketed.
I miss u so much, you r one of a kin nobody can replace you. R.I.P
R.I.P Chris you will be missed. The most real words I’ve ever heard come out of a musicians mouth
I love Chris Cornell, God he left to soon😢, he knew what he was doing, how he was doing it, and why. He's was so big, I loved his voice, his eyes, his style, and that face omg , he struggled with his own demon's more than people realized, but after he passed, I felt everything on this fucked up planet didn't matter very much anymore, your are so missed, Chris, you don't even know😞
A beautiful soul. Miss you Chris❤❤
I agree. There was a sort of rebellion from glam rock and "perfect people" pop like Wilson Phillips and Michael Jackson playing out and grunge was the soundtrack to that rebellion. Looking back, I can appreciate all the different genres for what they were now.
The saddest thing is that grunge ended up going the same way as glam/hair metal eventually, and it's all because of the music industry. The original Trinity of Glam were Mötley Crüe, Ratt and W.A.S.P. Those 3 bands were similar but still had their own distinctive sounds. But then they became popular and then along came a load of other bands who were either riding on their coat tails or just doing what was popular. You got Cinderella and Poison who then gave way to Extreme and Warrant.
When the Big Four of grunge arrived, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Alice In Chains, it was something completely different. But then they bacame popular and along came Bush and Creed who then gave way to Nickleback. If there's anything that kills a movement, whatever that movement is, it's the industry. I loved Guns N' Roses Appetite for Destruction album when it first came out but then the radio and MTV just played it to death. They then did the same thing with Nevermind. Even now they only ever play the hits. When they play Metallica it's always something off the Black Album. When they play Megadeth it's always Symphony of Destruction. When they play Iron Maiden it's always something from the first Bruce Dickinson era. It gets boring very quickly and when something different comes along it's like a breath of fresh air.
Having said all that though, the 90s was the last great decade for music because at the turn of the millennium the internet, reality TV and celebrity culture just took over everything.
Well said dude.
A Ahmed...hate to be judgemental...maybe you’re already doing this, but maybe stop complaining about the industry and make some interesting contributions yourself?
Wasp never was a glam band. They have a horror image and a much heavier sound than a typical hair band. They have been associated with LA glam because of hairspray abuse.
@@robertoricci3393...yes...horror, as in, these guys are horrible!!
@@MikaelLewisify horrible? They are great to me and Blackie Lawless is a helluva frontman. Even Motley Crue wasn't really glam on their first two records.
Man someone should really do a video essay on Soundgarden and Existentialist. There are so many songs from their catalogue that deal with existentialism.
One of the most talented men in history of music RIP CC
I miss chris, i was soooo lucky to have seen him in his 2nd to last show RIP buddy :(
Grunge came to save me exactly when there's no music to like anymore
I always considered grunge as the hangover from the glam era.
I miss the hair metal days
what a fucking loss, I can't even finish watching. where ever you are I hope you are at peace and thanks
Metallica, Megadeth and other thrash metal bands preceded grunge and wrote about social and other subjects, and made better music in my opinion. Grunge bands were not the first to do that
I agree with most of what you said. Death was writing about environmental issues and social injustice around the same time Soundgarden was in mid 80's. I think both kinds of music will survive or be revisited. I never considered SG to be grunge music anyway. They are nothing like the other so called big 3.
Hangar 18 ftw!
@JezBollah 667 not to mention that Alice in Chains and Pantera were hair metal bands in the 80s
Early Metallica took the stage in t-shirts and torn jeans, the uniform of their audience. Grunge didn't invent this.
megadethmofo your right. RAMONES did
I fell in love with SG in the 80's after hearing Louder than Love
Opinions vary and each to their own. In my humble 2 cents worth - The image of Glam was absolutely SHIT. However, they have some of the best rock ballads to date. Grunge was good, but I find it ironic that their lyrical content was 'claimed to be' the truth and yet 2 of the grunge icons takes their own life (Depression etc.) whilst the Glam era (lyrical content) was about Partying, Chicks and having a good time and they are still touring to date in their age of 50s. They still look in great shape to most 50 year olds even without their shitty make up! Above all else, I think Gun's N Roses (Appetite for Destruction) was the killer of Glam-Metal..Cheers
That's a great point about Guns N Roses. They were singing about drugs and women, but it wasn't a party anthem. It was gritty and more true to life.
@@sparklepusspolish4920 - 'It was gritty and more true to life' Spot on! Which pretty much sums up the whole Hollywood sunset strip era during the mid to late 80's which Guns N Roses conquered. Cheers
Thank you for everything, Chris. You are sorely missed. RIP.
Always liked the Seattle sound, I thought hair bands sucked. Was very happy to see glam and hair bands fade away. Chris was and is my favorite male singer, real rock.
Hell yeah!
I miss this man so much. It's still tough to listen to his music.
The music that slaughtered the hairband era opened up the possibility for almost anyone to Create great music and art. In other words, there wasn’t a required image per se. That allowed so much great art To be produced in the form of music. So glad I was alive during that time
Exactly and now theres a template for how u should sound so everythings the same protool over edited pop sound no matter if its "country" "rock" or anyrhing else miss when artist cared about music and there was some rawness and feeling to it
Garth Applebee definitely agree and sure...there are a handful of great bands out there playing now but you have to find them. Cornell and grunge found ME back then lol. You couldn’t avoid hearing it even if you had wanted to.
Very true the band i found myself listening to lately is pretty reckless and i love shes raw and real which shows maybe there are people who wanna bring back real rock cause to me rock n roll is the freedom of making what u wanns make and dont caring its perfect to the t
*dont care if its perfect to the t lol
greeenpro funny, because Layne Staley of Alice in Chains and most of AIC were in hair metal bands. Look up "Diamond Lie Renton". That's early Alice in Chains
90's is still the best its the 70's successor. Rip chris🤘
🤣😅😅😅😅😅😅
In the end Grunge gave us Nickleback and Theory of a Deadman. Eventually all genres turn to shit and become a gimmick
If somebody likes Nickelback and that's what gives them Joy then have at it
Chris Cornell was platinum diamond encrusted with gold level talent unmatched
Chris kurt and Layne
Are now together again..
Jammin🤘🏻🤘🏻🥀🥀🥀
I liked both, as I like metal, hard rock, classic rock, hip hop, r&b, country, music an open platform, you like and listen. I respect you if you do or don’t like different music. Metal, hard n classic rock my favorite genres, I still like variety.
The debate continues---"Less filling...tastes great!!"
'Mother love Bone' and 'Warrior Soul' are the perfect links between the two genres.
For me, Grunge music will always be about everyday people's problems like, real stuff, and not that imaginary thing that 1980s Rock music were about: really hot girls, expensive cars and houses, tons of drugs, etc.
Agree 100% and the exact same thing is happening to hip hop in this day. Used to be about the struggle and coming from nothing now it's just name drop as many designer clothing brands and supercars as you can.
@shadow0106 definitely! Even when the lyrics we're imaginative they were inspiring and mind opening not just parties and hot rods.
@Kirby Little late 80s like grunge sure. With the exception of Van Halen, the 80s were a dark time for rock...
Spenser Bainbridge What about R.E.M.? 80s R.E.M. was brilliant. Lots of good thrash-metal too.
@@spenserphoenix yup but I'm surprised most everyday people haven't seen through the bling rap thing. It's still prevalent. That's why I don't totally buy the death of hair metal being unrelatable music - a certain amount of music has always been escapism. Hair metal faded more due to music industry influence more I'd say
He pulled no punches. I miss him all the time.
Well said! He was definitely one of the most respected songwriter and musicians to come out of the Washington scene! I don't say Seattle, do to fact that Alice in chains formed in the Spanaway,Tacoma Wa area like Nirvana from Aberdeen, Melvins, and Green river, the list is endless! There is such a massive rich culture of musicians from Washington State! Seattle is just what people think of when they hear grunge. Hate that term, it's just good music man! More heavy Rock but everyone has to label everything rite...
Russell Mostrom AIC not from Seattle?, I thought I watched interview where Jerry said he saw Layne first song in Tacoma m he came down from Seattle. Jerry was from Tacoma area, but Layne knew Mike n Sean from Seattle area nosocomial Bank.
I def have heard Nirvana was Aberdeen.
Anyway, just curious not saying ur wrong, Wa. Def been a great music scene then N now from what I’ve read.
Agree with you completely. And far as i know Chris was the only one born and raised in Seattle, of all the bands. Even Andy Wood was born & lived in Mississippi for a while.
I was 8th 9th grade when the grunge hit and we wanted relatable shit. We needed our reality put to music and that's exactly what Chris and the scene did.
Chris Layne Curt Scott all of were someone I could be sitting next to in Trig class.
He absolutely 💯 described what shift took place and there was depth to the lyrics
“If you're going to be a fucking rock star go be one. People don't want to see the guy next door on stage; they want to see a being from another planet. You want to see somebody you'd never meet in ordinary life.”
― Lemmy Kilmister
Thats not relatable though, if its more about the glamour than the artistry than its useless to me
@@LuisAngel-mu4zv the “guy next door” that crept into rock in the 90s took the magic away from the music. Having a larger than life persona is a big part of that magic. Grunge burnt out as quickly as punk did because there was no mystery and no magic.
@@joanyhester8975 what he was????Lemmy would say fuck you thats not Rock n Roll
@@DonaldDingerson thanks youre so damn right OZZY would say grunge how the fuck is that😆👌🤘🏴☠️
seeing that kurt cobain is still more known and popular today than most glam rock artists
The part at the end is the most interesting to me. There is a quality in building teams I learned in sales called duplicatiblity and it worked to shed peoples fear bc it meant that regardless of how polished or good at sales (or whatever) one is there is actually a better chance you can convince someone else they can succeed if you just put forth the effort. In fact, a lot of times if you don't seem slick or adept but plow forward with effort you are actually much more likely to convince someone on your team they can too bc they don't have to be intimidated by how good you are at it.
That said, while grunge had it's merit it was actually far more pretentious than it claims hair metal to be. Kids, It really is ok to enjoy your youth, to want to party and be happy instead of feeling obligated to mope over Meat Puppets records and Kafka novels. You will only be young once and those who grew up just 5 years later than I did, I fear, were convinced by the zeitgeist of the time they had to be miserable during the prime of their adolescence. That makes me sad.
Why I love grunge music - it's real and it's relatable. Plus, it's actually creative, and they're trying different things, and making music they love and feel, rather than just to appeal to as wide of an audience as possible so you can buy another jaguar/stripper.
What is real?
RIP Chris.
I really didn't care if a song was about a stripper or not, if it had a good melody, riff, hook, etc, I dug it. I remeber the "hair bands" wwre always called "posers". But when you think about it, they were just doing what they wanted and havign fun with it. The so called"grunge" thing was more of a pose to me. they were consciously playing a role in NOT being anything like the 80's metal bands.
They knew that. Grunge isn't for "everyone else". They were unhappy people writing songs about unhappy things. Doesn't make them "posers" at all. It makes them different in a way that you dont seem to understand.
I don't think that's completely true, Alice In Chains stuck to their metal roots more or less, and many (if not all) of them were metal heads. Not all metal in the 80's was hair metal, but I agree with you that the 80's hair metal bands were just simply living and having fun.
The most successful Classic Rock bands like Jimi, The Beatles and The Rolling Stones wrote songs about debauchery, while also being socially and personally aware. It was a healthy balance. That was where both Grunge and Hair Metal got it wrong. Lack of balance, and there is no denying it hurt Rock music commercially.
The real difference was that Glam wasn't built on musicianship, it was built on outfits, hair, sex appeal, hastily produced ballads, it was more of a product and scene than music. You will never hear any true musician sit down with an acoustic guitar and play "Girls Girls Girls" or "Shes My Cherry Pie".
Grunge was more introspective, more creative. It wasn't all necessarily sad but it was intellectual, creative. I can take a lot of Pearl Jam or Soundgarden songs and play it today on a guitar and they would still sound beautiful.
The impact with Grunge is still felt today. It's still listened to today. Look at any Nirvana song and it will have 150 million views. Something like Poison is lucky to have 5 million.
Glam just was not built to last.
You said it best!
Grunge killed guitar solos...
I really have no dog in this fight but I was around for both glam and grunge and glam lasted WAY longer than grunge. Not only that, but to say that glam bands with excellent guitarists weren’t built on musicianship but grunge bands playing 3 chords were is hilarious. There’s a guy only a few comments up that mentions this. The glam bands were unquestionably far superior musicians. Lastly, of course the band with the frontman that died in the early 90’s at the peak of their popularity is gonna have a shitload of UA-cam views due to nostalgia.
This was the answer. Glam/hair metal was just a piece of crap.
@@lindsaymays7206 I love Soundgarden, but the guys in Dokken and Ratt were good musicians too.
I think that although grunge was focusing more on the reality of life and mostly the sad reality,80s metal and hard rock were all about making good music with amazing solos and melodies in which the music is uplifting and rebellious in some cases whereas the grunge scene seemed to be music in which it was relatable for most people it also emphasises peoples own problems which gives the type of music and overall dull and depressing mood in my opinion however i still listen to my fair share of grunge but more so the 80s hard rock and metal is the one that has stuck with me not because I focus on their lives or appearances but their music and lyrics are the things that make it .
his opinion doesn’t make glam/80s metal less important in the history of popular music….in my teenage years/youth it was how my life was going out, partying girls etc, there’d be no way i would have wanted to listen to grunge if it was around then….
go forward 5yrs..newly married, low payed job, economy tanking etc and grunge was more appropriate for my ears and mental state…
fast forward 30yrs to now and i find grunge really hard to listen to, its cringey but in a different way…life has changed along with many different music eras….
we need to stop holding grunge up as the saviour it was…its just another era
I loved how he explained it. And it made me remember why I fell in love with grunge over my first love of glam. He was spot on with it. I related to grunge more.
Grunge took itself to seriously... hair metal wasn’t serious at all ... country music has disappeared... rap is a cesspool.... I don’t like genres, but I like artists/groups/songs regardless of time or classification
that's pretty backwards but hey, it's youtube. the fuck does anyone here know?
Thank you Chris now I know what I must do now
Outstanding man right there ....
0:01 he’s talking about Motley Crue girls girls girls.
I LOVE GRUNGE AND HAIR METAL!!!!!!!! WHO ELSE???!!!
Everyone keeps emphasizing on grunge vs glam metal/rock, but people were sort of butting heads with glam before the "grunge" era was even around, Metallica (80's metal band) expressed their distaste for the glam thing as many other bands did. And I find it a bit annoying that people think 80's metal automatically equals glam metal, I get it was popular, but it's just ignorant.
Why can’t you like both? Hair metal has fun & grunge has deep meaning
Great interview
Some Hair Metal is alright, like L.A. Guns (although I don't exactly consider them Hair Metal.)
Sure it can be fun to listen to, but I'm not always in the mood for fun, good time music. Sometimes I need some Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, etc.
Sometimes I gotta mix the music up.
I liked both styles of music.
Such a great person , and he was into the MEAT PUPPETS. 💚
CHRIS FELE igaz, FELE majdnem! Köszi. R.I.P. CHRIS CORNELL. Nagyon szeretlek!
So to recap. He was jealous of the 80s bands who lived the life of 10 men, had chops, and are still relevant enough to have current movies made about them.
He’s dead as well
@@Ryan2022 Edited out of respect for his passing. I may not like his genre of music but respect his memory nonetheless.
That was so cool.... thank you for that video.... really made my day
Fast forward to 2020 and rap/hip hop is the new glam metal.
I love this. And I sure miss him
PURE THRASH METAL WILL ALWAYS LIVE ON!!!😠🤘
All hail Slayer!!!! (I do agree with chris cornell though. Hair metal is ass)
@@ryanbollinger1759 AGREED
Slayer, Sepultura, Saint Vitus, Maiden, Priest, Death, PanterA, Gojira 🤘😈💋, yeah diff kinds of metal, thrash, doom, death, black, groove. Its all hella good.
I was thinking the same. Why did I not care about either of these genres? Because thrash existed , then death metal and everything else was just the garbage on the radio.
@@everythingisstupid6227 true
So good. Miss you man.
Kinda ironic a drug addict complaining about the rockstar lifestyle. "They cared more about their looks than the music". So because those guys took pride in their appearance that makes your music better? Grunge had a style as well. You all dressed a certain way to give off a certain look.
These guys were addicts before they became big, I don't know any grunge band that had that "rock star" lifestyle tbf. The hair bands didn't take pride in their appearance, it was a gimmick, look at all the bands that were hair that went metal or grunge. Pantera , AIC, Mr Big etc. were all hair bands at a point
@@jayrodm643 you just admitted they were addicts then straight after said "I don't know any grunge band that had that rock star lifestyle". So which is it? You just said 2 claims that are the exact opposite of each other. They did take pride in their appearance, it's not a "gimmick" it's reality. The better looking you are the more popular you will be. Imagine Grease with a bunch of fat bald middle aged guys playing the parts, you really think that would have sold better? Pantera were a failed glam band and they jumped on the bandwagon when it was no longer popular. Idk much about AIC so can't comment. Mr. Big were never a hair metal band they were always a hard rock band. They never wore makeup, or spandex and sparkly jackets.
@@Fireglo There are plenty of addicts who aren't rockstars, some of them were homeless to exactly extravagant. A lot of them were heroin addicts, not really as "rockstar" as cocaine.
@@Fireglo There was a Mr Big interview where they said they felt pressured into wearing makeup and having big hair, then pearl jam came along and showed them they could perform like a couple of normal guys. It really was a gimmick, the same way kiss wear their make up or slipknot and their masks, it's really about shock value
@@jayrodm643 of course there was pressure but their music videos and live footage doesn't lie. Mr. Big never wore makeup. Billy was probably referring to his time in the David Lee Roth band where he did wear makeup most likely not out of his own free will as he was in someone else's band, Mr. Big is Billy's band he founded it and calls the shots.. He never wore makeup in Mr. Big. Find me one picture of Mr. Big wearing makeup, just one.
I'm a person who grew up at the perfect time I got the enjoy great pop music I got the enjoy great rock music or hair metal I got the enjoy phenomenal Grunge music and then later on Nu metal. One thing all these music genres have in common. The large number unfortunately ended up becoming addicted to drugs or alcohol and a lot of times it had to do with depression and problems that people weren't even aware these people had. I hope we'll be able at some point to diagnose these problems ahead of time and hopefully we can save a lot of lives.
So they were snobs? Lol
I miss this man