I find it hilarious how 20 years ago no-one would believe you if you told people that there'd be a time when there are more cancelled Star Wars projects than successful ones
Iirc, the revenge of the Sith novelization actually revealed Dooku as a pretty staunch speciesist. Might have been a later development, but it’s clear he did turn evil eventually.
Even before that, he was showing many arrogant traits Sith had. He was established around Episode II to have a maverick independent streak which he passed to his apprentice Qui-Gon. Thankfully what Qui-Gon didn't learn from Dooku was his social darwinist philosophy. The book The Jedi Path featured in-character annotations from its former owners with most of Dooku's annotations showing he didn't believe the Jedi should be humble as they were because he thought that only the "strongest" should be allowed to be Jedi and having no respect for non-force sensitives because they "inferior".
The Jedi might need some opposition every now and then, but I am averse to the notion that the Old Republic Jedi were universally better than the Republic Classic Jedi. Thousands of years of on and off war had caused the Jedi to lose their way - the creation of the Jedi Path was specifically to bring the Jedi back into balance, and with nearly a thousand years of minimal falling to the Dark Side, I’d say it worked pretty well.
Yeah the same people who make this claim also seem to think the Jedi getting involved in the Clone Wars was a bad idea. It is hypocritical to say that in my book as Dooku was known by the Jedi to be a Sith by the time the war began.
The old republic jedi and the prequel jedi were very different because they lived in different times. Old republic saw jedi constantly fighting an open a brutal war with the sith empire. Meanwhile the prequels saw the jedi serving the republic as if it embodied the will of the force. The jedi of the old republic fell in battle and to the dark side plenty but this doesn't make them worse or better than the prequel jedi. The prequel jedi lost their way through good intentions. Seeing that the Jedi's independence had led them to drag the republic into war after war the jedi chose to serve the senate which lead to them serving the republic as if it embodied the will of the force but when has any political body ever represented the will of the force? This all led to the fall of the jedi as the corruption rampant throughout the republic slowly brought the jedi down, it wasn't an overnight decline either it was death by a thousand small cuts something difficult to notice for anyone. Both eras faced drastically different decisions and battles so it's difficult to look at one and say it was better than the other.
If you had super powered force users living in your universe you would want them to be exactly what George designed the Jedi to be. Exactly what Yoda taught in the original trilogy. The “mean” council was 100% right Anakin should not have been trained, and “mean” Windu was right when he was opposed to Anakin becoming a master. Anakin was simping on the side, and his immature easily manipulated passion led to the destruction of the Jedi, and fall of the Republic.
Yep, George Lucas literally said the Jedi are the most moral people in the universe. You can write great stories deconstructing the Jedi ideology but if you’re unaware that showing their morality is the intention of the prequels you end up with the Acolyte
You’re not wrong, but I think it’s a little more nuanced than that Anakin just should not have been trained. The problem is that there were only a few Jedi, primarily Qui-Gon, who would have been able to handle Anakin’s unique circumstance. Anakin didn’t fit the standard mold for a youngling/padawan, having grown up long enough outside the Order to establish different emotional foundations and perspectives. Rather than trying to force-fit the mold and suppress his feelings (particularly regarding Padme), Anakin needed someone who could counsel and guide him through those feelings to a healthy perspective and position for a Jedi. Essentially, he needed a “rogue” master who could devote full time to a one-on-one relationship and be a direct father figure rather than a “brother” like Obi-Wan or an aspirational hero like Mace or Yoda. The Jedi of the prequel era as a whole were too stuck in dogmatic tradition, too much in the “always done this way” attitude, while having lost a true understanding for the reason behind the rules and traditions. They were unable to adequately adapt to Anakin’s unique circumstance (or the stress of being pulled into the Clone Wars, a tangent but related subject).
@@JoRoq1Not to mention not training him would've just meant Palpatine would've gotten his hands on Anakin right away dooming Anakin without any of the Jedi realizing it at the time.
Hey Thor, I've been wanting to ask you. If Qui Gon were still alive, would he have left the Jedi Order as soon as the clone wars began? Because he didn't believe in the Jedi becoming soldiers, since it goes against their philosophies and he would've taken Anakin with him away from Coruscant. Also, why do people accuse Qui Gon for cheating in a betting game with Watto, when the chance cube was rigged and loaded? therefore, Watto had already tried cheating first. Even if Qui Gon did cheat, it's not like he did it out of petty gains. He did it to try to free Anakin from slavery, and he was under no obligation to be fair with a slave owner. What are your thoughts?
Think about any casino. All the games are rigged in one way or another. Despite this fact, customers are not allowed to re-rig the games to their benefits. You aren't allowed to cheat the cheat. That's why what Qui-Gon did to the cube was cheating. A heroic and righteous person that fully believes that the will of the Force has lead him to The Chosen One, then he should believe that the Force will provide answer to gaining Anakin's freedom without deceptively manipulating events. Not that I am a fan of The Last Jedi, but think about The Canto Bite mission. Rose and Finn had to find a master code breaker. When they failed to get the services of the expert they wanted, another expert came around. A person of faith could argue that the Force provided a solution. In the case of Qui-Gon, people think that he should have allowed the Force to provide a solution instead of him manipulating the rigged chance cube. Somehow..😉.. Anakin would have been freed and become a Jedi.
I’m not Thor, but I actually think Qui-Gon might’ve participated in the war. He was the one trying to warn the Jedi of the return of the Sith - a war that has clear evidence of the Sith’s machinations would rank pretty high on Qui-Gon’s priorities.
@ There also what Qui-Gon was fighting before the Sith revealed themselves. Qui-Gon was more active compared to other Jedi in fighting against the Trade Federation, Commerce Guild and the other organizations which significantly involved in the Republic's corruption during his lifetime. These are the same groups that founded the CIS.
The question wasn’t for me but I’ll butt in with my thoughts. Qui Gon correctly followed the Living Force. This is what made him the peak of what a Jedi should be. He wasn’t tied to what some scroll, holocron or text said should happen or how one should react, he listened to what the Force willed. My point with this is that we can’t discount what he would or wouldn’t do if the Force willed it. People can say he cheated but he was doing the will of the Force which actively wants to defeat the cancer that is the dark side. Christian morality cannot be applied to this universe where the Force is almost a religious entity. Now if Qui Gon was alive to train Anakin as the Force wanted, he would have ended Palpatine as he wouldn’t have gotten involved with Padme and he would have been far more mature and in control. He would have lived to his potential, easily wipe out Palps and bring the end of the Sith.
Hi Thor I think they are really messing up for themselves at Lucasfilm. Everyone knows or have heard that Luke started a New Jedi order, after the empire was deleted. But now they first had him fail with his Jedi order, the one that should have been the new one. But also they let a nobody who steals the Skywalker name do it instead. Who do they think is interested of that.
This Dawn of the Jedi movie, if it’s actually going to be made, NEEDS to be done right. It needs to feel like Star Wars, but not so much that it doesn’t feel like it’s set thousands and thousands of years in the past. The movie that comes to mind as inspiration in terms of the overall tone of the film is the first Avatar movie (2009) by James Cameron, which has an epic sci-fi feel but also a very deep and interesting undertone of mystery and mysticism. And in terms of the philosophical underpinnings of the Dawn of the Jedi movie, it NEEDS to draw influence from the same real-world belief systems and philosophies that inspired Lucas (i.e. Buddhism, Taoism, etc) rather than being inspired by Star Wars itself if that makes sense…? What I mean is that a show like The Acolyte is blinded by Star Wars lore that it actually breaks the lore because it’s trying too hard to be Star Wars, whereas every Star Wars project that ‘works’ (Rogue One/Andor, The Mandalorian, Clone Wars, Skeleton Crew) doesn’t try too hard to be Star Wars but instead just tries to tell a profound and meaningful story. That’s what we need from mangold, so if his comment about not being constricted by the canon means anything like that, then I don’t think there’s any reason to worry.
Worried about SW? Nah, completely worry free at this point. I have become a true Jedi and cleansed myself of all attachments. The Skywalker saga ended on Endor, Highlander ended when Conner killed the Kurgan, Alien ended when Newt hugged Ripley and the MCU ended at Tony's funeral. I am at peace.
Hey Thor, do you think creating new characters for Star Wars is the answer? Or would it be best if they wrote compelling stories using Lucas's characters? Personally, I would rather see young Qui-Gon, Palpatine, Mace Windu, and so forth than new characters I know nothing about. But I don't know where most of the fans stand.
Hey Thor, what are your thoughts of bringing back battle of the heroes and villains? We’ve had so many projects and new characters since you stopped doing it. I’d be interested to see where characters from the skeleton crew rank against the characters that have already been done
Hey Thor, I am curious, what do you think is worse, The Last Jedi or The Acolyte? Recently, I re-watched The Last Jedi for the 7th anniversary and I think The Acolyte is worse. I am not the biggest fan of TLJ but I can at least find some decent moments throughout the movie like the visuals or the characters having a few bright moments such as when R2 reunites with Luke. That is actually my favorite R2-D2 scene in the Sequel Trilogy. However, with The Acolyte I find it really hard to like any of the characters. There were a few characters I liked to some extent like Sol and Yord but everyone else sucked. Also, I feel the writing was a lot worse in The Acolyte. I am not defending TLJ by any means necessary, but I find that the characters were not always bad in that movie. I always enjoy your videos, keep up the great work.
Hey Thor I saw this question on Facebook, and it was why Palpatine saved Darth Vader on Mustafar. Since Palpatine destroyed the Jedi, reorganized the Republic into the Empire, and gained everything he schemes for, why keep Vader alive? Wouldn't it be easier for him to have a new force weilder like the Grand Inquisitor to be his new apprentice. I believe the reason Palpatine kept Vader alive is he is still bound to the Rule of Two, he invested so much in Vader, and even though he is crippled and in constant pain, Darth Vader more powerful than when he was in perfect shape. Once again, this was a question I found Facebook.
No the reason is he saved Vader is that turning Anakin had been his plan since he met him in Episode I. He isn't one to throw Vader away when sunk so much time and resources into turning to the dark side to begin with.
@@emberfist8347Exactly. Anakin’s raw power and strength in the Force was the strongest in generations, which is why he was so appealing to Palpatine in the first place. A resource like that, groomed and shaped by a master manipulator, is a very powerful prize.
@@JoRoq1 More importantly, the inquisitors were largely very weak and were mainly used to flush out big targets for Vader to hunt down (though as with everything in Star Wars these days, this detail varies heavily from story to story). Dozens of strong jedi would survive without Vader around and some of them would definitely join the rebellion. It would be an interesting what if though as Luke would need to overpower Palpatine directly in the end).
I feel like they just need to make some Rogue One-esk movies that loosely connect to the main story but don’t involve main characters or add to lore. Just give us some rebel war movies were the main crew dies at the end
I am TERRIFIED at the thought of Mangold essentially laying out the framework for the new “canon” version of Disney’s Jedi. After everything I’ve seen so far from Disney SW , there’s never been a project I want to hear has been cancelled more ! I don’t understand how this wasn’t immediately cancelled after the reception of The Acolyte. I love StarWars. I do not prey on Disney systematically destroying something that’s been part of my life for the last 4 and a half decades. NO. I want StarWars to be StarWars again. To give me the feeling it did for most of my life. This Mangold movie needs to be shelved. Have both Faverau and Filoni show up on George’s doorstep on their hands and knees with a Brinks truck behind them, BEGGING 🙏🏼 for George’s wisdom to help guide this franchise back to its former glory. Because that’s what it’s going to take at this point. Disney has done so much damage to the brand that I truly believe the only way you’re going to bring back some semblance of credibility to the franchise is for the world to know, George is back and behind this. He’s back do what he can to salvage his baby. I realize this sounds a bit far fetched and unlikely to ever happen. But to gain the trust of the general audience again, ‘ This Is The Way …
Hey Thor, have you ever noticed that Dooku only has the Sith yellow eyes in the 2008 Clone Wars and only for brief moments? Just a fun fact I know and wanted to share.
Hey Thor, Let’s say you’re given full control of Lucasfilm. You bring in a completely new team and the project you release tv/show movie bombs, what is you next move?
So, they are doubling down on the ST by making more Rey movies (supposedly). And now they might triple down on their screwups by finding a loophole by with which to change the Jedi that Lucas created. Their inability to see that the farther they get away from what Lucas created, the more of a mess they make of things is mind-boggling.
I agree with the fear of the “Dawn of the Jedi”. I don’t think there’s a way to not mess it up. I also agree with the assessment of Dooku and the dark side. I’ve thought in recent years that Dooku is Martin Luther. Had some legitimate concerns, but went too far and became too engulfed in the agenda and corrupted by anti-religious politicians (also worth noting that the legitimate reforms eventually took place within the church).
answers to the 2nd question: 1) don't enslave the Order to the Republic / don't set the main Temple on Coruscant - if they had kept the Order separate from the Galactic government they could have been more sensitive to the Force rather than worrying about meeting the physical needs of a bureaucracy. 2) don't become a bureaucracy themselves - the Order got bogged down in the minutiae of running itself - again, mainly on the physical plane - i.e. rules & regulations - it was supposed to be spiritual (the Force). 3) don't be so dogmatic
@@mudman619 There was never any lore suggestion they lost their connection from their ties to Senate it was always stated the Sith were behind their weakening connection to the force. Also they picked the Temple’s location for reasons completely unrelated to its political location.
@@emberfist8347 never said they lost their connection - I'm suggesting there's a correlation between their losing focus & purity bc they binded themselves to the Senate (a worldly entity) instead of to the Living Force. Binding themselves to the physical world over the Force weakened them - made them susceptible - which, of course, it partially caused their downfall. Yoda said they were losing touch with the Force - the Dark Side was clouding their ability to use (access) The Force. This weakness was related to the Sith, yes, but it occurred bc they lost focus. They built their Temple over an old Sith temple - that was the decision for the location, not the wisest of moves - it could be considered arrogant - a dark side trait.
@ The dark side temple thing was a recent retcon. Before that it was said they built the temple over a natural mountain that was strong in the force. And this location (which was chosen back in the Old Republic era I might add) was chosen because the strong light side influence of the Jedi canceled out the Dark Side taint of the original Sith Temple.
Thanks for the reply. Definitely don't 100% agree but I think I mostly do. My main disagreement is I think there is a scale for everything. Punisher is objectively worse than Batman, because he's broadly willing to kill just about any criminals... even though I don't think even he will kill jaywalkers lol. Being a murderer like that is objectively worse than refusing to become like what you're fighting against. Why would the same not be true for the other side of things? There's sympathetic villains. There's those trying to do what's right, but maybe lose sight of, "the ends don't justify the means" at least, "not always." (It could be complicated, but I doubt anyone wants to get into that whole moral debate. I'd be typing up an entire book lol) Anyway, thought it was Pong Krell but couldn't remember. Knew you'd know, anyway. You kinda didn't mention where Ventress would've been at any point but it was just the bonus so I'll let it slide. (As if I'm in charge, anyway? Lol)
Hey Thor remember how Rey is a goofy and then later she is just evil. There's nothing there but cynical view of If I am a good person. Since the evil has consumed her that there is nothing inside her any longer than the darkness.
Hey Thor, how meaningful of a choice was it for George Lucas to involve real-world politics in Star Wars? The politics of the Original Trilogy were there but subtle given its ties to the Vietnam War and the protests at home demanding an end to it, but once the Prequels came out, the politics - and the subsequent consequences of the political decisions made between the 80’s and the start of the war on terror - played a heavy role in defining what the conflict between the C.I.S and the Republic became. How greed, corruption, arrogance, distrust, animosity and an unwillingness to use diplomacy to see a different path forward led to the succession of planets who lost faith in what republic was supposed to stand for, and ultimately led to a galactic war being led in the shadows by Palpatine. And as such, should have Disney leaned on the politics of Star Wars as Andor did?
Regarding the "millenia of peace" and how it affected the Jedi, I first doubt it was nearly as peaceful as all that -- war and conflict of various types are a natural and inevitable part of the human (and alien, as the case may be) condition. We know there were wars and political disputes and the like, just not on the massive scale of the New Sith Wars, and the Jedi certainly played a role in at least a significant portion of them, as combatants or diplomats. However, unlike before, there was no overt Sith/dark side threat in these conflicts, excepting perhaps the occasional dark jedi or force cultists, in the way that most of the conflicts the Jedi had taken part in before. So rather than fighting a spiritual war which demanded as much focus on spiritual discipline and cultivation of light-side force skills and senses to win as martial abilities, they were fighting secular political wars that demanded political cunning and martial ability more than a deep connection to the force. The nature of the issues they dealt with, of the realities of their day-to-day work in conjunction with their mandate to protect and preserve the Republic meant that over the centuries the Order, its training, its ideals, its doctrines and culture, was slowly shaped into something not quite suited to combatting the sith or the dark side, no matter how good-hearted they may hace been.
@@emberfist8347 I disagree -- there is no historical or present human society that has not, at some point, at some scale, engaged in warfare for some reason or another, and the archaeological record can clearly prove instances of organized violence going back at least 10,000 years ago, with evidenceof weaponry or tools that could be used as weapons going back as far as Homo sapiens have existed and before, to our hominin ancestors. Further, anthropologists have observed war-like behavior (sustained, targeted violence between distinct groups, essentially) in other contemporary primates, which is useful for an understanding of our own evolutionary roots. War has been a part of us from the beginning, and it has easily survived every treaty, every diplomatic organization, every idealistic utopian ideology humankind has thrown at it, through to the present day, with no sighs of slowing. Society has survived as much because of war, because people valued their clan, their culture, their land, their king or government, or whatever else it may be, in order to fight and die for it. Societies are formed by wars of conquest, from the Yamnaya to the Romans to the United States of America, and kept secure and whole by wars of defense. Of course, the trajectories of civilization are more complex than just cycles of war, but regardless it's an integral part of human development, for better and worse, and we are no different an animal now than we were 10,000 years ago, biologically. Maybe the ways war is fought will change in the ever evolving cycle of technological and political development, but as long as we're human, war will be in our future. Apologies for being so long winded, I tend to go off on tangents, and this is something I've given some thought to.
@@emberfist8347 I disagree -- there is no historical or present human society that has not, at some point, at some scale, engaged in warfare for some reason or another, and the archaeological record can clearly prove instances of organized violence going back at least 10,000 years ago, with evidenceof weaponry or tools that could be used as weapons going back as far as Homo sapiens have existed and before, to our hominin ancestors. Further, anthropologists have observed war-like behavior (sustained, targeted violence between distinct groups, essentially) in other contemporary primates, which is useful for an understanding of our own evolutionary roots. War has been a part of us from the beginning, and it has easily survived every treaty, every diplomatic organization, every idealistic utopian ideology humankind has thrown at it, through to the present day, with no sighs of slowing. Society has survived as much because of war, because people valued their clan, their culture, their land, their king or government, or whatever else it may be, in order to fight and die for it. Societies are formed by wars of conquest, from the Yamnaya to the Romans to the United States of America, and kept secure and whole by wars of defense. Of course, the trajectories of civilization are more complex than just cycles of war, but regardless it's an integral part of human development, for better and worse, and we are no different an animal now than we were 10,000 years ago, biologically. Maybe the ways war is fought will change in the ever evolving cycle of technological and political development, but as long as we're human, war will be in our future. Apologies for being so long winded, I tend to go off on tangents, and this is something I've given some thought to.
They need to stop thinking about making Star Wars movies, but just make good movies - set in that universe. All we're getting from Disney is just rehashing old ideas.
If this happens we will get nose rings, blue hair, pronouns, boss girl lead who can’t be defeated and defeats the patriarchy and becomes the founder/original jedi. I guarantee it.
People who think Dooku wasn’t that evil because his eyes weren’t yellow are as intelligent as people who say “but the goverment wouldn’t do that” because somebody they like is in power. Notice how the guy literaly called insidious didn’t have yellow eyes until he became a scrotum does that mean he wasn’t evil until the second he got hit in the face by 20,000 bolts of unlimited power
It's ok, it's another movie that will never happen.
I find it hilarious how 20 years ago no-one would believe you if you told people that there'd be a time when there are more cancelled Star Wars projects than successful ones
@@Ihavethetouch For real, lol.
That's what I am hoping. But every time I hear news of this movie, I just get a little squeamish.
Oh my Gawd, oh my Gawd!! That is simply the best kind of Disney Star Wars movies. Thank you for the uplifting comment ❤😊🎉
It’s like LF is saying, “hey you still have hope, you’re still a fan, fine we will burn some more of it till you leave.”
The Jedi were not corrupt, they were complacent
This
Iirc, the revenge of the Sith novelization actually revealed Dooku as a pretty staunch speciesist. Might have been a later development, but it’s clear he did turn evil eventually.
Even before that, he was showing many arrogant traits Sith had. He was established around Episode II to have a maverick independent streak which he passed to his apprentice Qui-Gon. Thankfully what Qui-Gon didn't learn from Dooku was his social darwinist philosophy. The book The Jedi Path featured in-character annotations from its former owners with most of Dooku's annotations showing he didn't believe the Jedi should be humble as they were because he thought that only the "strongest" should be allowed to be Jedi and having no respect for non-force sensitives because they "inferior".
@ eugh, so much for a sympathetic villain 😅
@@GGBlaster do we need every villain to be sympathetic? We already have Vader.
@@jdstudios1912 no, it’s just that’s how so many people look at Dooku
The Jedi might need some opposition every now and then, but I am averse to the notion that the Old Republic Jedi were universally better than the Republic Classic Jedi. Thousands of years of on and off war had caused the Jedi to lose their way - the creation of the Jedi Path was specifically to bring the Jedi back into balance, and with nearly a thousand years of minimal falling to the Dark Side, I’d say it worked pretty well.
Yeah the same people who make this claim also seem to think the Jedi getting involved in the Clone Wars was a bad idea. It is hypocritical to say that in my book as Dooku was known by the Jedi to be a Sith by the time the war began.
The old republic jedi and the prequel jedi were very different because they lived in different times. Old republic saw jedi constantly fighting an open a brutal war with the sith empire. Meanwhile the prequels saw the jedi serving the republic as if it embodied the will of the force. The jedi of the old republic fell in battle and to the dark side plenty but this doesn't make them worse or better than the prequel jedi. The prequel jedi lost their way through good intentions. Seeing that the Jedi's independence had led them to drag the republic into war after war the jedi chose to serve the senate which lead to them serving the republic as if it embodied the will of the force but when has any political body ever represented the will of the force? This all led to the fall of the jedi as the corruption rampant throughout the republic slowly brought the jedi down, it wasn't an overnight decline either it was death by a thousand small cuts something difficult to notice for anyone. Both eras faced drastically different decisions and battles so it's difficult to look at one and say it was better than the other.
How 'bout a crazy idea?: Heavily consult with George "The Maker" Lucas about what this story should be about.
If you had super powered force users living in your universe you would want them to be exactly what George designed the Jedi to be. Exactly what Yoda taught in the original trilogy. The “mean” council was 100% right Anakin should not have been trained, and “mean” Windu was right when he was opposed to Anakin becoming a master. Anakin was simping on the side, and his immature easily manipulated passion led to the destruction of the Jedi, and fall of the Republic.
Yep, George Lucas literally said the Jedi are the most moral people in the universe. You can write great stories deconstructing the Jedi ideology but if you’re unaware that showing their morality is the intention of the prequels you end up with the Acolyte
You’re not wrong, but I think it’s a little more nuanced than that Anakin just should not have been trained.
The problem is that there were only a few Jedi, primarily Qui-Gon, who would have been able to handle Anakin’s unique circumstance. Anakin didn’t fit the standard mold for a youngling/padawan, having grown up long enough outside the Order to establish different emotional foundations and perspectives. Rather than trying to force-fit the mold and suppress his feelings (particularly regarding Padme), Anakin needed someone who could counsel and guide him through those feelings to a healthy perspective and position for a Jedi. Essentially, he needed a “rogue” master who could devote full time to a one-on-one relationship and be a direct father figure rather than a “brother” like Obi-Wan or an aspirational hero like Mace or Yoda.
The Jedi of the prequel era as a whole were too stuck in dogmatic tradition, too much in the “always done this way” attitude, while having lost a true understanding for the reason behind the rules and traditions. They were unable to adequately adapt to Anakin’s unique circumstance (or the stress of being pulled into the Clone Wars, a tangent but related subject).
@@JoRoq1Not to mention not training him would've just meant Palpatine would've gotten his hands on Anakin right away dooming Anakin without any of the Jedi realizing it at the time.
Hey Thor, I've been wanting to ask you.
If Qui Gon were still alive, would he have left the Jedi Order as soon as the clone wars began? Because he didn't believe in the Jedi becoming soldiers, since it goes against their philosophies and he would've taken Anakin with him away from Coruscant.
Also, why do people accuse Qui Gon for cheating in a betting game with Watto, when the chance cube was rigged and loaded? therefore, Watto had already tried cheating first. Even if Qui Gon did cheat, it's not like he did it out of petty gains. He did it to try to free Anakin from slavery, and he was under no obligation to be fair with a slave owner.
What are your thoughts?
Think about any casino. All the games are rigged in one way or another. Despite this fact, customers are not allowed to re-rig the games to their benefits. You aren't allowed to cheat the cheat. That's why what Qui-Gon did to the cube was cheating. A heroic and righteous person that fully believes that the will of the Force has lead him to The Chosen One, then he should believe that the Force will provide answer to gaining Anakin's freedom without deceptively manipulating events.
Not that I am a fan of The Last Jedi, but think about The Canto Bite mission. Rose and Finn had to find a master code breaker. When they failed to get the services of the expert they wanted, another expert came around. A person of faith could argue that the Force provided a solution.
In the case of Qui-Gon, people think that he should have allowed the Force to provide a solution instead of him manipulating the rigged chance cube. Somehow..😉.. Anakin would have been freed and become a Jedi.
I’m not Thor, but I actually think Qui-Gon might’ve participated in the war. He was the one trying to warn the Jedi of the return of the Sith - a war that has clear evidence of the Sith’s machinations would rank pretty high on Qui-Gon’s priorities.
No Qui-Gon would have joined the Clone Wars. He was actively fighting the Republic's corrupting influences which the CIS represented.
@ There also what Qui-Gon was fighting before the Sith revealed themselves. Qui-Gon was more active compared to other Jedi in fighting against the Trade Federation, Commerce Guild and the other organizations which significantly involved in the Republic's corruption during his lifetime. These are the same groups that founded the CIS.
The question wasn’t for me but I’ll butt in with my thoughts. Qui Gon correctly followed the Living Force. This is what made him the peak of what a Jedi should be. He wasn’t tied to what some scroll, holocron or text said should happen or how one should react, he listened to what the Force willed. My point with this is that we can’t discount what he would or wouldn’t do if the Force willed it. People can say he cheated but he was doing the will of the Force which actively wants to defeat the cancer that is the dark side. Christian morality cannot be applied to this universe where the Force is almost a religious entity. Now if Qui Gon was alive to train Anakin as the Force wanted, he would have ended Palpatine as he wouldn’t have gotten involved with Padme and he would have been far more mature and in control. He would have lived to his potential, easily wipe out Palps and bring the end of the Sith.
Hi Thor I think they are really messing up for themselves at Lucasfilm. Everyone knows or have heard that Luke started a New Jedi order, after the empire was deleted.
But now they first had him fail with his Jedi order, the one that should have been the new one. But also they let a nobody who steals the Skywalker name do it instead.
Who do they think is interested of that.
These people thought Acolyte would be a hit. I think that tells you everything you need to know.
The clapping seals who thought _The Last Jedi_ was profound.
This Dawn of the Jedi movie, if it’s actually going to be made, NEEDS to be done right. It needs to feel like Star Wars, but not so much that it doesn’t feel like it’s set thousands and thousands of years in the past. The movie that comes to mind as inspiration in terms of the overall tone of the film is the first Avatar movie (2009) by James Cameron, which has an epic sci-fi feel but also a very deep and interesting undertone of mystery and mysticism. And in terms of the philosophical underpinnings of the Dawn of the Jedi movie, it NEEDS to draw influence from the same real-world belief systems and philosophies that inspired Lucas (i.e. Buddhism, Taoism, etc) rather than being inspired by Star Wars itself if that makes sense…? What I mean is that a show like The Acolyte is blinded by Star Wars lore that it actually breaks the lore because it’s trying too hard to be Star Wars, whereas every Star Wars project that ‘works’ (Rogue One/Andor, The Mandalorian, Clone Wars, Skeleton Crew) doesn’t try too hard to be Star Wars but instead just tries to tell a profound and meaningful story. That’s what we need from mangold, so if his comment about not being constricted by the canon means anything like that, then I don’t think there’s any reason to worry.
For over 1,000 generations, the Sith only had concepts of a plan to conquer the galaxy.
😆😆😆
It's not funny, though.
Simple, just never think about Disney canon. That way you don't have to wonder what they'll change this week.
Worried about SW? Nah, completely worry free at this point. I have become a true Jedi and cleansed myself of all attachments. The Skywalker saga ended on Endor, Highlander ended when Conner killed the Kurgan, Alien ended when Newt hugged Ripley and the MCU ended at Tony's funeral. I am at peace.
I'm glad it's not me who is worried at this point.
Hey Thor, do you think creating new characters for Star Wars is the answer? Or would it be best if they wrote compelling stories using Lucas's characters? Personally, I would rather see young Qui-Gon, Palpatine, Mace Windu, and so forth than new characters I know nothing about. But I don't know where most of the fans stand.
Hey Thor, what are your thoughts of bringing back battle of the heroes and villains? We’ve had so many projects and new characters since you stopped doing it. I’d be interested to see where characters from the skeleton crew rank against the characters that have already been done
Hey Thor, I am curious, what do you think is worse, The Last Jedi or The Acolyte? Recently, I re-watched The Last Jedi for the 7th anniversary and I think The Acolyte is worse. I am not the biggest fan of TLJ but I can at least find some decent moments throughout the movie like the visuals or the characters having a few bright moments such as when R2 reunites with Luke. That is actually my favorite R2-D2 scene in the Sequel Trilogy. However, with The Acolyte I find it really hard to like any of the characters. There were a few characters I liked to some extent like Sol and Yord but everyone else sucked. Also, I feel the writing was a lot worse in The Acolyte. I am not defending TLJ by any means necessary, but I find that the characters were not always bad in that movie.
I always enjoy your videos, keep up the great work.
Seems like it would be better to pair Mangold with Jenkins and get the Squadrons idea off the ground.
Hey Thor
I saw this question on Facebook, and it was why Palpatine saved Darth Vader on Mustafar. Since Palpatine destroyed the Jedi, reorganized the Republic into the Empire, and gained everything he schemes for, why keep Vader alive? Wouldn't it be easier for him to have a new force weilder like the Grand Inquisitor to be his new apprentice.
I believe the reason Palpatine kept Vader alive is he is still bound to the Rule of Two, he invested so much in Vader, and even though he is crippled and in constant pain, Darth Vader more powerful than when he was in perfect shape.
Once again, this was a question I found Facebook.
No the reason is he saved Vader is that turning Anakin had been his plan since he met him in Episode I. He isn't one to throw Vader away when sunk so much time and resources into turning to the dark side to begin with.
@@emberfist8347Exactly. Anakin’s raw power and strength in the Force was the strongest in generations, which is why he was so appealing to Palpatine in the first place. A resource like that, groomed and shaped by a master manipulator, is a very powerful prize.
@@JoRoq1 More importantly, the inquisitors were largely very weak and were mainly used to flush out big targets for Vader to hunt down (though as with everything in Star Wars these days, this detail varies heavily from story to story). Dozens of strong jedi would survive without Vader around and some of them would definitely join the rebellion.
It would be an interesting what if though as Luke would need to overpower Palpatine directly in the end).
I feel like they just need to make some Rogue One-esk movies that loosely connect to the main story but don’t involve main characters or add to lore. Just give us some rebel war movies were the main crew dies at the end
Hey Thor can you tell me what you thought of inside out 2?
I am TERRIFIED at the thought of Mangold essentially laying out the framework for the new “canon” version of Disney’s Jedi. After everything I’ve seen so far from Disney SW , there’s never been a project I want to hear has been cancelled more ! I don’t understand how this wasn’t immediately cancelled after the reception of The Acolyte.
I love StarWars. I do not prey on Disney systematically destroying something that’s been part of my life for the last 4 and a half decades. NO. I want StarWars to be StarWars again. To give me the feeling it did for most of my life. This Mangold movie needs to be shelved. Have both Faverau and Filoni show up on George’s doorstep on their hands and knees with a Brinks truck behind them, BEGGING 🙏🏼 for George’s wisdom to help guide this franchise back to its former glory. Because that’s what it’s going to take at this point. Disney has done so much damage to the brand that I truly believe the only way you’re going to bring back some semblance of credibility to the franchise is for the world to know, George is back and behind this. He’s back do what he can to salvage his baby.
I realize this sounds a bit far fetched and unlikely to ever happen. But to gain the trust of the general audience again,
‘ This Is The Way …
Spot on Thor!
The books go into more detail about Dooku and he basically ends up being space hitler by the end of his life
Hey Thor, have you ever noticed that Dooku only has the Sith yellow eyes in the 2008 Clone Wars and only for brief moments? Just a fun fact I know and wanted to share.
Everything was proceeding as planned. ^^
Kinda hard to tell, considering that the movies told us diddly squat.
Count Dooku couldn't assassinate anyone, its not in his nature.
Nuff said
Well, if we go back 25,000 years I do understand that he does not want be restricted by current lore HOWEVER what does he want to do then?
Hey Thor,
Let’s say you’re given full control of Lucasfilm. You bring in a completely new team and the project you release tv/show movie bombs, what is you next move?
So, they are doubling down on the ST by making more Rey movies (supposedly). And now they might triple down on their screwups by finding a loophole by with which to change the Jedi that Lucas created. Their inability to see that the farther they get away from what Lucas created, the more of a mess they make of things is mind-boggling.
Dawn of the Jedi: Whills of the Force.
I agree with the fear of the “Dawn of the Jedi”. I don’t think there’s a way to not mess it up.
I also agree with the assessment of Dooku and the dark side. I’ve thought in recent years that Dooku is Martin Luther. Had some legitimate concerns, but went too far and became too engulfed in the agenda and corrupted by anti-religious politicians (also worth noting that the legitimate reforms eventually took place within the church).
Dooku was more conflicted than purely evil, although he did commit some evil crimes as a Sith Lord
No he was purely evil. He was a pro-human anti-alien social darwinist. That is the philosphy of a space Nazi.
"He's a political idealist, not a murderer."
- Ki-Adi-Mundi.
Didn’t even have Sith eyes the poser.
@ because he controlled his emotions and yet still harnessed incredible power over the Dark Side
@@macwelch8599 I was being sarcastic sorry if it wasn’t obvious. Dooku was a badass for sure.
answers to the 2nd question: 1) don't enslave the Order to the Republic / don't set the main Temple on Coruscant - if they had kept the Order separate from the Galactic government they could have been more sensitive to the Force rather than worrying about meeting the physical needs of a bureaucracy. 2) don't become a bureaucracy themselves - the Order got bogged down in the minutiae of running itself - again, mainly on the physical plane - i.e. rules & regulations - it was supposed to be spiritual (the Force). 3) don't be so dogmatic
@@mudman619 There was never any lore suggestion they lost their connection from their ties to Senate it was always stated the Sith were behind their weakening connection to the force. Also they picked the Temple’s location for reasons completely unrelated to its political location.
@@emberfist8347 never said they lost their connection - I'm suggesting there's a correlation between their losing focus & purity bc they binded themselves to the Senate (a worldly entity) instead of to the Living Force. Binding themselves to the physical world over the Force weakened them - made them susceptible - which, of course, it partially caused their downfall. Yoda said they were losing touch with the Force - the Dark Side was clouding their ability to use (access) The Force. This weakness was related to the Sith, yes, but it occurred bc they lost focus. They built their Temple over an old Sith temple - that was the decision for the location, not the wisest of moves - it could be considered arrogant - a dark side trait.
@ The dark side temple thing was a recent retcon. Before that it was said they built the temple over a natural mountain that was strong in the force. And this location (which was chosen back in the Old Republic era I might add) was chosen because the strong light side influence of the Jedi canceled out the Dark Side taint of the original Sith Temple.
Thanks for the reply. Definitely don't 100% agree but I think I mostly do. My main disagreement is I think there is a scale for everything. Punisher is objectively worse than Batman, because he's broadly willing to kill just about any criminals... even though I don't think even he will kill jaywalkers lol. Being a murderer like that is objectively worse than refusing to become like what you're fighting against. Why would the same not be true for the other side of things? There's sympathetic villains. There's those trying to do what's right, but maybe lose sight of, "the ends don't justify the means" at least, "not always." (It could be complicated, but I doubt anyone wants to get into that whole moral debate. I'd be typing up an entire book lol)
Anyway, thought it was Pong Krell but couldn't remember. Knew you'd know, anyway.
You kinda didn't mention where Ventress would've been at any point but it was just the bonus so I'll let it slide. (As if I'm in charge, anyway? Lol)
Hey Thor remember how Rey is a goofy and then later she is just evil. There's nothing there but cynical view of If I am a good person. Since the evil has consumed her that there is nothing inside her any longer than the darkness.
WAT
Hey Thor, how meaningful of a choice was it for George Lucas to involve real-world politics in Star Wars? The politics of the Original Trilogy were there but subtle given its ties to the Vietnam War and the protests at home demanding an end to it, but once the Prequels came out, the politics - and the subsequent consequences of the political decisions made between the 80’s and the start of the war on terror - played a heavy role in defining what the conflict between the C.I.S and the Republic became. How greed, corruption, arrogance, distrust, animosity and an unwillingness to use diplomacy to see a different path forward led to the succession of planets who lost faith in what republic was supposed to stand for, and ultimately led to a galactic war being led in the shadows by Palpatine. And as such, should have Disney leaned on the politics of Star Wars as Andor did?
Regarding the "millenia of peace" and how it affected the Jedi, I first doubt it was nearly as peaceful as all that -- war and conflict of various types are a natural and inevitable part of the human (and alien, as the case may be) condition. We know there were wars and political disputes and the like, just not on the massive scale of the New Sith Wars, and the Jedi certainly played a role in at least a significant portion of them, as combatants or diplomats.
However, unlike before, there was no overt Sith/dark side threat in these conflicts, excepting perhaps the occasional dark jedi or force cultists, in the way that most of the conflicts the Jedi had taken part in before. So rather than fighting a spiritual war which demanded as much focus on spiritual discipline and cultivation of light-side force skills and senses to win as martial abilities, they were fighting secular political wars that demanded political cunning and martial ability more than a deep connection to the force. The nature of the issues they dealt with, of the realities of their day-to-day work in conjunction with their mandate to protect and preserve the Republic meant that over the centuries the Order, its training, its ideals, its doctrines and culture, was slowly shaped into something not quite suited to combatting the sith or the dark side, no matter how good-hearted they may hace been.
@@atlasdesnyder4747 Saying War are inevitable is wrong. If it was so inevitable there would be no society as all.
@@emberfist8347 I disagree -- there is no historical or present human society that has not, at some point, at some scale, engaged in warfare for some reason or another, and the archaeological record can clearly prove instances of organized violence going back at least 10,000 years ago, with evidenceof weaponry or tools that could be used as weapons going back as far as Homo sapiens have existed and before, to our hominin ancestors. Further, anthropologists have observed war-like behavior (sustained, targeted violence between distinct groups, essentially) in other contemporary primates, which is useful for an understanding of our own evolutionary roots. War has been a part of us from the beginning, and it has easily survived every treaty, every diplomatic organization, every idealistic utopian ideology humankind has thrown at it, through to the present day, with no sighs of slowing.
Society has survived as much because of war, because people valued their clan, their culture, their land, their king or government, or whatever else it may be, in order to fight and die for it. Societies are formed by wars of conquest, from the Yamnaya to the Romans to the United States of America, and kept secure and whole by wars of defense. Of course, the trajectories of civilization are more complex than just cycles of war, but regardless it's an integral part of human development, for better and worse, and we are no different an animal now than we were 10,000 years ago, biologically. Maybe the ways war is fought will change in the ever evolving cycle of technological and political development, but as long as we're human, war will be in our future.
Apologies for being so long winded, I tend to go off on tangents, and this is something I've given some thought to.
@@emberfist8347 I disagree -- there is no historical or present human society that has not, at some point, at some scale, engaged in warfare for some reason or another, and the archaeological record can clearly prove instances of organized violence going back at least 10,000 years ago, with evidenceof weaponry or tools that could be used as weapons going back as far as Homo sapiens have existed and before, to our hominin ancestors. Further, anthropologists have observed war-like behavior (sustained, targeted violence between distinct groups, essentially) in other contemporary primates, which is useful for an understanding of our own evolutionary roots. War has been a part of us from the beginning, and it has easily survived every treaty, every diplomatic organization, every idealistic utopian ideology humankind has thrown at it, through to the present day, with no sighs of slowing.
Society has survived as much because of war, because people valued their clan, their culture, their land, their king or government, or whatever else it may be, in order to fight and die for it. Societies are formed by wars of conquest, from the Yamnaya to the Romans to the United States of America, and kept secure and whole by wars of defense. Of course, the trajectories of civilization are more complex than just cycles of war, but regardless it's an integral part of human development, for better and worse, and we are no different an animal now than we were 10,000 years ago, biologically. Maybe the ways war is fought will change in the ever evolving cycle of technological and political development, but as long as we're human, war will be in our future.
Apologies for being so long winded, I tend to go off on tangents, and this is something I've given some thought to.
Do I have to say, "Hey Thor" for him to possibly read the comment? Or does he read whatever intrigues him or is popular?
I only read comments in the video that start with "Hey Thor". It's basically just a way of telling me you're cool with me using your comment.
@thorskywalker oh how bout that. Thanks!
They need to stop thinking about making Star Wars movies, but just make good movies - set in that universe. All we're getting from Disney is just rehashing old ideas.
This might be a decent movie, but I wouldn’t be sad if it gets TBD’ed like other Lucasfilm projects. Too risky, just leave it ambiguous.
There where so few Jedi text in the movie, more link pamplets. I just do not trust Diney with Star Wars.
Rían Johnson 2.0.
Two to ruin, one to destroy
If this happens we will get nose rings, blue hair, pronouns, boss girl lead who can’t be defeated and defeats the patriarchy and becomes the founder/original jedi. I guarantee it.
I'm done with creators that jump into an existing universe but want to reinvent it from the inside out... No GTFO..
George Lucas style of jedi died years ago in 2017.
People who think Dooku wasn’t that evil because his eyes weren’t yellow are as intelligent as people who say “but the goverment wouldn’t do that” because somebody they like is in power.
Notice how the guy literaly called insidious didn’t have yellow eyes until he became a scrotum does that mean he wasn’t evil until the second he got hit in the face by 20,000 bolts of unlimited power
@@creed8712 Not to mention lore about his personal views which make him as bad as Tarkin.
At this point, who cares anymore man.
Just realized I have a new idol. And it's the man in this video✨