These poor girls are so used with radical cosmetic changes with all the battlesuits and Herrescher transformations that Selle going trogh a emo phase dosent even make then rise a brow.
Veliona: *literally has her clothes changed, color schemes changed, eye color changed, voice deepens, speaks in a different tone and way* Kiana: you seem a bit different today
Well in other people's perspective in that world, Seele is still dressed and voiced as purple Seele, only her personality change a bit. Us as players, we can see Veliona to differentiate her from Seele So it's a bit weird, but not that weird
Seele: *rambles* Kiana: you are so thoughtful, so caring, so lovely, your presence makes me feel better, I now feel great, this is truly lovely, you are the best, I love you. Seele: *visible confusion*
I like how Bronya is the only one who comments that Seele and "Seele" are two different persons while the others are like "Hmmm Seele is different today, but that's normal" lmao
They just did in this video. ;3 (I know what you mean - you meant the HoV side of her.) The whole base would have been destroyed by two duking Tunderes.
You just witnessed it. In the next chapter it is reveled that HoV is not really Sirin just her hatred for humanity.... And Kiana is the "real" Sirin. Though it was foreshadowed in this chapter: - Kiana asking about Sirin - Kiana seeing herself as a sad Sirin in the mirror - Selee telling Kiana that everyone has 2 sides a good and a bad (meaning her other HoV persona is NOT a different person) - Theresa telling Kiana that she and Cecilia always wanted to help Sirin - Bronnya telling Kiana/Sirin that she doesn't resent and hate Sirin (even though she caused the death of her parents - and the biggest flag:) that Bronnya only hates the HoV inside Kiana/Sirin NOT the actual Sirin.
That's my favorite part, it's basically canon lore that Veliona using the full force of her stigmata could wipe out half the planet before anybody slowed her down and she's a rude mean bitch from hell on top of it, but she has social anxiety over giving people a bad impression of Seele, the most seiso character in the game
@@HaibaneRakka571 Actually, although not the exact same situation, reminds me of the case with some male protagonists in fictional stories: They can face evil forces bent on bringing harm to the protagonist's homeworld, and they can bravely put their own life on the line, but the only thing he fears is his girlfriend/wife.
I wish we got more Kiana & Seele moments like this. It's interesting to see these two together. They faced the EXACT same conflict - two people living inside a single body... only Seele successfully made it work while Kiana could not.
I dunno if this comment was before or after the reveal, but it strictly speaking wasn't two in one. It was two 0.5s, only one of which got to be expanded upon by life experience and grow into a full person. But at the end of the day, Kiana and Herrscher of Void are both Sirin, yet also not. Sirin, who split into the Herrscher of Void and K423, is the origin and sum of both. They both stem from her and, had they been able to remerge, would've returned to her. So strictly speaking, Seele was exactly right. It was an instance of two split personalities of Sirin fighting one another, Sirin(Kiana) fighting herself.
"you seem different today" I'm surprised how they're even identifying veliona as seele they look COMPLETELY different it's harder to match them as same person than different people...
Nah, she changes for 1 day after the part with the Herrscher of Domination as she said, Seele's gonna sleep for 1 day, also the chibi event is canon. But there's a lot of battlesuits that is not even a surprise anymore.
Wow I didn't even realize that until now O.O She probably sounded that way before because she didn't have complete control over the body until now. Either that or she's less angry nowadays
@@Dominatr15 yes facts when she has full control over the body the seele once knew become a completely different personality seele, which is her stigmata (veliona) and for that she become much more normal person like the blue seele but different aura and personality.
When German speak in Honkai: *Dialog* When Japanese speak in Honkai: *Dialog* When Chinese speak in Honkai: *Dialog* *WHEN RUSSIANS SPEAK IN HONKAI:* Bronya: "Bronya feels weird" "Bronya is happy" "Bronya is sorry" "Bronya finished homework" Seels: "Seele is happy to see Bronya" "Seele is fighting" "Seele will win!" "Seele is Bronyas friend!" Roza/Lili: "Roza/Lili is ready" "Roza/Lili is fighting" "Roza/Lili is alright" Sin: *Oh wait...*
@@yuhskrt5014 Oh I know , but Seele still likes to say her own name a lot. And I'm not talking about SIRIN, I'm talking about SIN MAL, but thank you for the clarification , I wasn't sure where Seele is from 😊
Kiana really said: Seele suddenly has red eyes and hair, her hair is way longer, her voice tone changed, her clothes are different and has a different color of what she uses to wear normally, she's acting way different than usual and she talks like she's a different person, but she's still being our Seele!" lmfao
Actually we as the players see Veliona red and everything but they see Seele as normal Seele aka blue so that's probably why they can't see any difference besides personality
*Veliona asks about sirin* (Crap I wasn't supposed to say that) *says something surprisingly comforting* Kiana:your great seele you saw right through me and comforted me no wonder bronya likes you (THAT ACTUALLY WORKED!) Clearly seele has rubbed off on her
@@FoxyJesus oh nothing much... 😅... It's just that, something emotional things but also one of the most epic thing happened to Kiana... It would be in chapter 25 with 5.0 update... You can check it on UA-cam... I only watch for a bit since it is mostly in CN. I want to wait for the Japanese voice with English subtitles first. If you want to know more about... Better watch the CN gameplay compare from me telling... The hype was too much for me to tell. I don't know how to spoil without giving the hype to you through words alone. 😅 Edit: I still haven't got it either since I'm not playing on CN platform either... But there was a number of hype videos for 5.0 update with 5.0 epic story line and a bit of change in gameplay... Oh no, not huge change... It's just that they added quick time action for a bit during the gameplay...
@@FoxyJesus another thing is... Chapter 25 confirmed a number of things that we have been asking from the beginning, in which if you are the type who doesn't like too much spoilers... Then you need to wait. But if you wanted know more... I would recommend to watch it. It got lots of hype and can't be complete by simply telling... ☺️☺️☺️☺️
I guess it's just for the players and she looks normal for everyone else (...what about the claws though?), you can kinda see that in what is I believe chapter 23 or 24, at the end where "Seele" takes control of Seele's body when she sleep and go in front of a mirror to write something on her face, she looks pretty normal except for the eyes (which might also be for the player). ...Either that, or they are like "It's just a phase, it's fine."
@@irey1707 So either everyone is like "You know, with Herrscher we are kinda used to hair getting longer or having color changes (Wendy), it's probably nothing"...or just because dorms aren't really "canon" I think, just the devs and players having fun ^^
I love veliiiiiii I love how she got caught off guard and values seele's feelings and their relation enough that she wanna fix something she thought she messed up with that's not a villain, that's just a tsun
I just finished chapter 25 last night. Jesus Christ the part where kiana need to go while shes with himeko in st. Freya and then she said sorry. Fucking hell i couldn't contain my tears. I had runny nose ffs
When you think about it deeply it was thanks to Veliona that Kiana what able identify HoV is the evil side of Sirin and she is the good that was left in Sirin's heart.
To bad Sirin personality is finally gone. Will be funny to see her and Kiana in a pissing contest fighting for control of the body in the middle of a fight against Duramdo.
Looks like localizers changed what was "Seele" getting from the vending machine to be something English-speaking people would understand what is. I hear "Wasabi peanuts" in the voiceacting, but the "translated" text says mustard goober. I'm near completely sure that's not the exact translation they did there, and just changed the food so English-speaking people read the name of a food that is more familiar to them. Like the infamous "jelly donuts" lines from early episodes of the Pokemon anime that people like to meme over and make fun of
Because I played Solo Stage up to current chapter 25 before playing chapter 11 and beyond, it feels a bit jarring when just about 13/14 chapters ago Kiana was struggling against HoV
i'd just like to note that veliona doesn't actually look like that!! she looks like seele normally does,, it's just used to diffrenciate the characters. veliona has no physical body of her own in the real world.
Seele is Seele(Herrscher Stigmata persona, Veliona is just the name of some skills of her as SN, so people started to use Veliona to name the once nameless Seele's stigmata.
![[Honkai impact3] "Seele" (Veliona) chill in dorm with her friends](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KMS0-c6BzNs/mqdefault.jpg)
![[Honkai Animation] Sweet Sour Seele & Veliona | Honkai FanCreate Anime](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/q-Pk1cUzx0M/mqdefault.jpg)
![Kiana Vs Herrscher Of Void [Full]](/img/n.gif)
These poor girls are so used with radical cosmetic changes with all the battlesuits and Herrescher transformations that Selle going trogh a emo phase dosent even make then rise a brow.
lmao
Veliona bussin bussin
either that or our tuna girl is just dumb lol
@@lies_v1 quit misusing aave.
@@lies_v1 PLSSS STOPP
THATS NOT HOW YOU USE AAVE
QUIT USING IT DUDE IF YOU USE IT LIKE THAT
Kiana: You’ll always be our Seele.
Veliona: Yes we are both Seele. How’s your relationship with Sirin btw?
Kiana: 🗿🗿
💀
Suave moment
Dayum-😭
bro 💀
AYOO💀
Veliona: *literally has her clothes changed, color schemes changed, eye color changed, voice deepens, speaks in a different tone and way*
Kiana: you seem a bit different today
Well in other people's perspective in that world, Seele is still dressed and voiced as purple Seele, only her personality change a bit. Us as players, we can see Veliona to differentiate her from Seele
So it's a bit weird, but not that weird
*Oh Really?*
TBF she IS a kaslana! #alsoajoke
@Satsuki Shirotae they probably are the same, it’s just to help players differentiate
@@rebelwind6474 how does that work? Both of veliona’s weapons are claw thingies and seele uses a scythe
Kiana seeing Seele with long hair, red eyes, and an evil looking outfit: Its the same Seele everyday
ayyo same pfp
@@4ishiteru lol "Seele" nation
Herrscher of Summer join the party
actually, everyone else would see seele normally. veliona doesn't have a physical body.
Actually.. mihoyo shows us veliona, but in their sight it's normal seele body with blue hair.
Seele: *rambles*
Kiana: you are so thoughtful, so caring, so lovely, your presence makes me feel better, I now feel great, this is truly lovely, you are the best, I love you.
Seele: *visible confusion*
Veliona: *Internal screaming* 😦
Thats how she is made
Kiana accidentally mistaken Seele for Mei too.
"Seele" is that one super villain who just somehow wanna do bad things only resulting in turning out very good in the end
I like how Bronya is the only one who comments that Seele and "Seele" are two different persons while the others are like "Hmmm Seele is different today, but that's normal" lmao
Well the attitude changes a lot only somone who have lived with seele long enough can see the difference in her tone a.k.a. bronya
@@theboythatslostinthewoods9003 well the puppet also said that seele got long hair so kiana just a idiot
@@theboythatslostinthewoods9003yeah since visually there is no difference intill the split happens where they become 2 different bodys
…I want to see Sirin and Veliona interacting with each other.
They just did in this video. ;3 (I know what you mean - you meant the HoV side of her.) The whole base would have been destroyed by two duking Tunderes.
Try it in the House System, put them in the same room, see if they talk to each other
Edit: i tried 3 Seele with Sirin, they dont interact at all 😭
I feel like sirin would say something out of pocket like "you're useless trash" and seele would snap lmfao
You just witnessed it.
In the next chapter it is reveled that HoV is not really Sirin just her hatred for humanity.... And Kiana is the "real" Sirin.
Though it was foreshadowed in this chapter:
- Kiana asking about Sirin
- Kiana seeing herself as a sad Sirin in the mirror
- Selee telling Kiana that everyone has 2 sides a good and a bad (meaning her other HoV persona is NOT a different person)
- Theresa telling Kiana that she and Cecilia always wanted to help Sirin
- Bronnya telling Kiana/Sirin that she doesn't resent and hate Sirin (even though she caused the death of her parents - and the biggest flag:) that Bronnya only hates the HoV inside Kiana/Sirin NOT the actual Sirin.
@@BigBoss-gb4cx I mean even without all this foreshadowing they preety much just straight up show us in the manga that she is sirin
She’s actually scared of seele getting mad of her
That's my favorite part, it's basically canon lore that Veliona using the full force of her stigmata could wipe out half the planet before anybody slowed her down and she's a rude mean bitch from hell on top of it, but she has social anxiety over giving people a bad impression of Seele, the most seiso character in the game
Wait so how strong is the new Bianca now?
@@HaibaneRakka571 Actually, although not the exact same situation, reminds me of the case with some male protagonists in fictional stories: They can face evil forces bent on bringing harm to the protagonist's homeworld, and they can bravely put their own life on the line, but the only thing he fears is his girlfriend/wife.
Well, Seele’s probably one of the most nicest people you can meet, if you piss her off, yeah you really must’ve fucked up 😂
I wish we got more Kiana & Seele moments like this. It's interesting to see these two together. They faced the EXACT same conflict - two people living inside a single body... only Seele successfully made it work while Kiana could not.
yeah because dark Seele wasn't evil and Sirin was
@horizon146 but to be fair, sirin didn't have a chance to be good in the first place.
I dunno if this comment was before or after the reveal, but it strictly speaking wasn't two in one. It was two 0.5s, only one of which got to be expanded upon by life experience and grow into a full person.
But at the end of the day, Kiana and Herrscher of Void are both Sirin, yet also not. Sirin, who split into the Herrscher of Void and K423, is the origin and sum of both. They both stem from her and, had they been able to remerge, would've returned to her.
So strictly speaking, Seele was exactly right. It was an instance of two split personalities of Sirin fighting one another, Sirin(Kiana) fighting herself.
Because of the animation short I want this as a reoccurring joke now
I want to see more Veliona's interactions. Actually she is somehow different to Seele in some aspects that feels unique.
I love how interacting with Kiana leaves anyone other than Mei just straight up confused as to what's going on.
"you seem different today"
I'm surprised how they're even identifying veliona as seele they look COMPLETELY different it's harder to match them as same person than different people...
Well kiana can randomly turn into void drifter kiana so maybe kiana assumed seele was going through an emo phase and just put on a new battlesuit
seele doesn't change anything. it's just for the players so we can difference seele and veliona
Nah, she changes for 1 day after the part with the Herrscher of Domination as she said, Seele's gonna sleep for 1 day, also the chibi event is canon. But there's a lot of battlesuits that is not even a surprise anymore.
So Dark seele can talk without Electricfan in front of her?
Yeah that's what it is XD
Yeah Lol
I like it better with the fan tho
Wow I didn't even realize that until now O.O
She probably sounded that way before because she didn't have complete control over the body until now. Either that or she's less angry nowadays
@@Dominatr15 yes facts when she has full control over the body the seele once knew become a completely different personality seele, which is her stigmata (veliona) and for that she become much more normal person like the blue seele but different aura and personality.
Veliona: "i fear no one.. but that thing... *vending machine* it scares me"
I just love her personality and the way she is, she’s quite a tsundere but she cares a lot about Seele
Yep plus cool voice and her design is sick. Don't even get me started on the powers.
"Seele" was confused
"Seale" was confused
@@neeko6061 no
@@neeko6061. *Sere
The one and only time Veliona became this cute
Have you seen any of the semi-animated shorts? She is cute 24/7 in those.
she always has been
@@bttomleft "Wait it's all cute veliona?"
@@GoldenBeans Always has been
you my friend really need to see the time Veliona kabodon'ed Bronya.
Her voice is calmer even she’s in her Starchasm Form 🤗
When German speak in Honkai:
*Dialog*
When Japanese speak in Honkai:
*Dialog*
When Chinese speak in Honkai:
*Dialog*
*WHEN RUSSIANS SPEAK IN HONKAI:*
Bronya: "Bronya feels weird" "Bronya is happy" "Bronya is sorry" "Bronya finished homework"
Seels: "Seele is happy to see Bronya" "Seele is fighting" "Seele will win!" "Seele is Bronyas friend!"
Roza/Lili: "Roza/Lili is ready" "Roza/Lili is fighting" "Roza/Lili is alright"
Sin:
*Oh wait...*
pretty sure seele is like german or from belarus and so is sirin
@@yuhskrt5014
Oh I know , but Seele still likes to say her own name a lot. And I'm not talking about SIRIN, I'm talking about SIN MAL, but thank you for the clarification , I wasn't sure where Seele is from 😊
Seele is Estonian
Just so u know, russians dont talk like that
@@naodoll Im about 25% Russian and my first language was Russian DESPITE being born in Asia. So that's not supposed to be an insult.
How velione say "Eto" when she upset it's so cute
Kiana really said: Seele suddenly has red eyes and hair, her hair is way longer, her voice tone changed, her clothes are different and has a different color of what she uses to wear normally, she's acting way different than usual and she talks like she's a different person, but she's still being our Seele!" lmfao
Actually we as the players see Veliona red and everything but they see Seele as normal Seele aka blue so that's probably why they can't see any difference besides personality
"Seele will get mad at me"
says the scarier Seele
Veliona at the end is literally just like: “the flip just happened?”
Veliona: *litterally a different appearance than everyday Seele
Kiana: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that"
I really like veliona's "huh".
Veliona contemplating if she said something offensive is so adorable wth
Everything she does is adorable u cannot change my mind mate
Seele: ---By the way how is Sirin?
HoV: **struggling not to snap her fingers**
*Veliona asks about sirin*
(Crap I wasn't supposed to say that)
*says something surprisingly comforting*
Kiana:your great seele you saw right through me and comforted me no wonder bronya likes you
(THAT ACTUALLY WORKED!)
Clearly seele has rubbed off on her
Veliona right now : Mission failed successfully? i guess?
1:35 Ofc, this is our "Seele" who has babysits a crybaby at Sea Of Quanta for years lmao
I like how Kiana is smart for so many things but dumb for many others. Or she just pretend to not know dark Seele but that doesn't seem to be case
Kiana is mature, but in cases like this she is still the baka we love
This is before the infamous chapter 25, right?
Edit:
*"Japanese voice. English subtitles"* ... Yup... Straight away I put a like... 😍😍😍😍😍👍👍👍👍👍
what the fuck happened? xDDD
@@FoxyJesus which chapter is this then?
😅. And this is 4.8 version, right?
@@viperakmal chapter 24 from 4.8...im asking what happened in 25?
@@FoxyJesus oh nothing much... 😅... It's just that, something emotional things but also one of the most epic thing happened to Kiana... It would be in chapter 25 with 5.0 update... You can check it on UA-cam... I only watch for a bit since it is mostly in CN. I want to wait for the Japanese voice with English subtitles first.
If you want to know more about... Better watch the CN gameplay compare from me telling... The hype was too much for me to tell. I don't know how to spoil without giving the hype to you through words alone. 😅
Edit: I still haven't got it either since I'm not playing on CN platform either... But there was a number of hype videos for 5.0 update with 5.0 epic story line and a bit of change in gameplay...
Oh no, not huge change... It's just that they added quick time action for a bit during the gameplay...
@@FoxyJesus another thing is... Chapter 25 confirmed a number of things that we have been asking from the beginning, in which if you are the type who doesn't like too much spoilers... Then you need to wait.
But if you wanted know more... I would recommend to watch it. It got lots of hype and can't be complete by simply telling... ☺️☺️☺️☺️
Joke aside ,Without this conversation Kiana may never find Inner peace
Crazy how this is actually a decently important scene for Kiana's character development
1:10 Epictod Momentod
So does the seele body not go black and red when Veliona comes out
I guess it's just for the players and she looks normal for everyone else (...what about the claws though?), you can kinda see that in what is I believe chapter 23 or 24, at the end where "Seele" takes control of Seele's body when she sleep and go in front of a mirror to write something on her face, she looks pretty normal except for the eyes (which might also be for the player).
...Either that, or they are like "It's just a phase, it's fine."
@@themarc7108 i think not, in the dorm liliya can see seele's red hair and eyes
@@irey1707 So either everyone is like "You know, with Herrscher we are kinda used to hair getting longer or having color changes (Wendy), it's probably nothing"...or just because dorms aren't really "canon" I think, just the devs and players having fun ^^
Its just a visual cue so you the player are not confused.
@@themarc7108 yeah
I love veliiiiiii
I love how she got caught off guard and values seele's feelings and their relation enough that she wanna fix something she thought she messed up with
that's not a villain, that's just a tsun
Did "Seele" just help Kiana turn the tide against her old Herrscher self?
I just finished chapter 25 last night. Jesus Christ the part where kiana need to go while shes with himeko in st. Freya and then she said sorry. Fucking hell i couldn't contain my tears. I had runny nose ffs
i really like veliona's voice i want more veliona interactions without that mermaid voice edit sound
seele: what about you? how is your fight with another you going?
kiana: 🧍♀️
Her Name is Seele.
Veliona come from the Player
But still calling her Veliona more logical and less confusing rather "Seele". Fits her perfectly.
@@galaxycrystal2651 👈 this
Veliona actually comes from her skill descriptions.
@@galaxycrystal2651 I just call them Blue Seele and Red Seele
@@galaxycrystal2651 (☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞
with everything thats revealed and confirmed its kinda funny how much what seele said to avoid suspicion is actually correct fskhdgflsdk
I wish they made her voice sound like this on the bridge and not like the current one.
When you think about it deeply it was thanks to Veliona that Kiana what able identify HoV is the evil side of Sirin and she is the good that was left in Sirin's heart.
Veliona my beloved, can’t wait to get this tsundere girlie when she comes to gacha again 👉🏼👈🏼
This interaction was cute
This scene is remembered me of one day seele's adventure when kiana and seele eat in the cafe together.
I like this 1000x more than all that flame chaser stuff.
I love cheerful Kiana TT
Veliona is basically Seele's Herracher while not being a legimanet Herracher.
Apparently Seele has the Stigmata of the Herrscher of Death, so close enough I guess?
To bad Sirin personality is finally gone. Will be funny to see her and Kiana in a pissing contest fighting for control of the body in the middle of a fight against Duramdo.
And by meet you mean she didn’t have a clue it was the other Seele
White Comet Kiana
Power : B
Brain cells : B
.......
Herrscher of Flamscion Kiana
Power : SSSSS
Brain cells : B
So CUTEEEE
Looks like localizers changed what was "Seele" getting from the vending machine to be something English-speaking people would understand what is. I hear "Wasabi peanuts" in the voiceacting, but the "translated" text says mustard goober. I'm near completely sure that's not the exact translation they did there, and just changed the food so English-speaking people read the name of a food that is more familiar to them. Like the infamous "jelly donuts" lines from early episodes of the Pokemon anime that people like to meme over and make fun of
0:18 that “ora” is so cute
Wow..Love this game
Because I played Solo Stage up to current chapter 25 before playing chapter 11 and beyond, it feels a bit jarring when just about 13/14 chapters ago Kiana was struggling against HoV
I would love to see Sirin and Veliona together... But unfortunatelly...
Veliona(Dark Seele) is awesome!
VELIONA BEING NICE AS{KAE"FJAFWELEWGF
I just noticed that red seele's voice is not on autotune anymore
Its funny even her eye color changes and everything but kiana still not understand that 😀
Seele's Reputation: *+100*
Wait where is this??
Veliona : mission failed successfully
the ??? from seele's pov really meme material
I really like veliona voice
chapter?
Idk why the characters models didint load for me at this part
0:23 “wasabi peanutsu”
Seele: Nagisa
Veliona: Akagi
Mission failed successfully.
What cpater is that
This is worse than Perry VS Doof but Perry doesn't have his hat
Hmph and huh, that's enough for me
i swear to gosh if my friend just one day suddenly became red and not her usual clothes i would ask why and thats all not pretend nothin is wrong
kiana kinda be airheaded at times did she not notice the overall body change ???
There's legit only one character that actually comments on her appearance change and I think its one of the twins
Liliya? Because Rozalia is really dumb.
Oh~
Pobre Veliona , le salió todo para el * xd
broo,we got 0 chill seele💀💀💀*veliona
Does that mean that Veliona is the good Seele?
I mean shes also seele so if seele has good social skilla so does "seele"
You mean k-423 meets veliona
yes
*visible kiana confusion*
EMO Seele is great
i'd just like to note that veliona doesn't actually look like that!! she looks like seele normally does,, it's just used to diffrenciate the characters. veliona has no physical body of her own in the real world.
Kiana-Chan she's a red Selee
Isn’t her name also Seele though?
yup, but some also call her veliona
Lmao velis humph
Oblivion NPC
Is this fan made? Because usually theres no voice during dialogue
In game some dialogues have voice
so they dont notice seele just change from blue to red and change outfit styles...
i believe only her eye colour changes, not outfit because she is using seele's(blue seele) body only
Seele is Veliona?
Seele is Seele(Herrscher Stigmata persona, Veliona is just the name of some skills of her as SN, so people started to use Veliona to name the once nameless Seele's stigmata.
@@Setzen_Kreig Oh, thank you! you are so amazing!
@@julyisjason You're welcome.
hi
Not veliona anymore they're selee (:
She was never Veliona, just "Seele" or Dark Seele hahaha.
Well veliona name its actually come from her skill so you can still call her that if you want to