Babylon 5 Part 2: the TV Movies and Crusade. Hit Me, Babylon. One More Time.
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Update: An animated project is in the works.
In the 2nd part of our two-part review, Stam Fine Reviews various attempts to keep the Babylon train chugging along.
Over five seasons, J. Michael Straczynski's Sci Fi epic told a grand story on a fairly small budget and pioneered the use of computer graphics on a major TV show. Some additional telemovies, shortlived spin-off series and a few attempts to relaunch the series that didn't quite have the same effect. In short, lesser entries in the B5 universe.
Babylon 5 and its spinoffs, stars Bruce Boxleitner, Claudia Christian, Tracy Scoggins, Jerry Doyle, Richard Biggs, Patrica Tallman, Peter Jurasik, Mira Furlan, Andreas Katsulas, and Stephen Furst. Crusade added Carrie Dobro, Gary Cole, Daniel Dae Kim, and Peter Woodward to the mix.
Today we'll look at the Babylon 5 TV movies (In the Beginning, Third Space, River of Souls, A Call to Arms), the spin-off series Crusade, and two later attempts to tell B5 stories in new formats (Legend of the Rangers, and The Lost tales).
Part One (if you have already watched it), can be found here: • Babylon 5 (pt 1). I Go...
0:00 Introduction
0:25 Managing Expectations
2:54 Pilot (The Gathering) re-edited
3:39 In The Beginning
6:25 Thirdspace
8:44 River of Souls
11:04 A Call to Arms
13:58 Crusade
21:57 The Legend of the Rangers
24:39 The Lost Tales
27:52 Summary - Розваги
Update: "What do you want?" An Animated B5 is coming.
I want to live just long enough to see a well drawn head previously belonging to Mr Morden bounce into a Centari basket with a shocked look on its face before being stuck on a pike and presented to a well voice cast Vir.
@@visigothic67 I agree!
I am a massive fan of B5, but i am not looking forward to this animated thing. I would like more live action, but then i would want the old cast, and as this program has had such bad luck with cast members still being around, i know thats not going to happen. I would not be apposed to a reboot, if it was done right, but how they will find people to play either G'Kar or Londo as well as the originals, i simply do not know.
@@cabbageplays6710 I have similar feelings. I started digging Si-fi in the 1960s. Dad ran a movie theater. So, I've seen 'reboots' and the like that were duds, different and some even surprisingly good. Having said all that, all we can do is wait & hope?
A high quality Completely CGI series. None of this current backwards cgi rubbish.
I love Babylon 5. The entire saga. Rewatched many times
Part of the tragedy of B5 is that CG space effects came into their own just after all of the B5 series ended. Lost Tales gives us a hint of what it could have looked like.
The other tragedy is that so much of the main and supporting cast has passed. B5 was contemporary with Star Trek TNG and DS9, which still have most of their crew well enough to appear in projects like Picard. But B5 has lost Michael O'Hare, Andreas Katsulas, Richard Biggs, Mira Furlan, Jerry Doyle, Stephen Furst AND Jeff Conaway. Incredibly sad.
CRUSADE never got its chance and I have always been pissed about the way TNT treated JMS.. That show really had potential - and I love that the main virus story would be wrapped up by end of season 2 and then it would've become about earth and leftover shadow technology... I had no issues with the cast - I actually really grew to like the Max Eilerson's character, even with his attitude. I think the doctor was the weakest acting wise - but serviceable at least. Dureena, Galen and especially Gideon were all top notch. And I loved the Apocalypse box idea.
Was there book that Explained what the apocalypse box was in crusade tv
I will say, I have a fondness for River of Souls because it's the only B5-based story to take place after the original crew had moved on, so it's fun seeing how the new crew interacts during a 'typical' crisis.
Two Crusade scripts that were due to be recorded before the axe were leaked online and they were absolutely superb the would have changed the direction of this series. A pity that most pepe never got to read these as it was JMS at is best and i moved the entire 5 story into a very interesting direction. Admittedly, I loved Crusade and wanted to see more.
And archiveofourown site has a set of what seem like script/summaries of several more, @Shado UK , including War Story (by Richard Mueller)
I gota say I always thought,'In the beginning', it was great. Head and shoulders above the other T.V Movies.
I am glad the Babylon 5 books were mentioned in this video. I have read The Psi Corps Trilogy, The Legions of Fire (Trilogy), and The Passing of the Techno-Mages (Trilogy) and I highly recommend these books to anyone who loves Babylon 5. These books finish some of the story arks very well and they add a lot to the lore. They are amazingly good in my opinion. They really fit seamlessly into the Babylon 5 universe and do explain a lot of things in some very cool and unexpected ways.
And if memory serves, JMS considers them canon.
I liked 'Thirdspace' alot more then you did, I guess! I found it's 'Lovecraft Lite' approach to be an interesting change, but I've always been a sucker for that sort of storyline with other dimensions holding unfathomably alien beings to our way of thinking. Probably why Star Control II is still my favourite computer game even 30 years later.
Never was a scifi person until i watched B5..only reason i even tried watching it was bc of Bruce Boxleitner. Loved him and wanted to see him again. Loved the show❤..
I thought I knew Babylon 5 until kickboxing woman. wow. just....wow. it's like a kickstarter gaming peripheral that never reached its goal.
You just know that whoever wrote the kickboxing weapons control was like, "Man, this is going to be the coolest thing ever!"
In the most cruel and tragic example of "life mirrors art" that I can imagine, Jerry Doyle - who plays a character always struggling with his alcoholism - himself died due to complications of alcoholism. Going back and watching those B5 seasons where Garibaldi is having to deal with that addiction is heart-wrenching to me now.
I must admit that i liked Crusade, even if the cast was nowhere near as strong as in B5. Gary Cole and Peter Woodward however were excellent in their roles and it's a shame we didn't get any conclusion to that particular Crusade. Weakest link in the whole B5 franchise is shitty Legend of the Rangers, which only bright spot is the last appearance of Andreas Katsulas as G'Kar.
I can't be the only one who thinks that JMS wanted Gideon and Galen to become a gay couple eventually. There's about as much homoerotic tension between the two as there was between Kirk and Spock in TOS and JMS did plan to make Talia and Ivanova a gay couple so he wasn't shy about depicting gay couples. Also the way JMS wrote the two just screams "these two are crushing on each other but are too afraid to say it outright".
Or maybe it really is just me.
I hated the show but Gary Cole is a good actor. He made me cry with laughter in Talladega Nights. Lol
@@TheJovian16 Most sci-fi series take a year to gel and get the characters developed. To bad it wasn’t given a chance to shine.
“It’s either nukes or jumpgates with this guy.”
The thirdspace gate is a jumpgate.
So it’s nukes _and_ jumpgates this time.
There's a "No!" that Martin Sheen busts out in River of Souls that I swear is (unintentionally) funnier than anything else in these films. Every time I hear it, there's just something about it that I have to rewind over and over, and it somehow makes me laugh even harder every time.
Crusade had promise, but JMS was almost out of juice and there was too much outside interference.
I have seen 3 episodes of B5 perhaps 4, and Call to arms and i thought Call to arms as a person that has never watched the series was good, it gave me all the info i needed and hey it was nice to see Kurn in command lol
The alien artifact and ships in Third Space were designed by artist Wayne Barlowe. He worked on Hellboy and Pacific Rim.
We got five years...stuck on our eyes...five years...what a surprise! We got five years...my brain hurts a lot...five years, that's all we've got!
I really enjoy "In the Beginning" and "Crusade," but, you're right, the rest are near misses. Still... no apologies needed from anyone involved. Except Space President Bartlet.
The "ACall to Arms" miniatures game will always be my favorite part of B5. Earthforce ships of all three eras, every race represented, and of course the Shadow ships. Shows may come and go, but miniatures are forever
A much better games was Babylon 5 Wars. Most of the miniatures from A Call to Arms were made for B5W, which ended when WB refused to renew the liicense,, believing they could get more money from another company.
You folks do know that Agents of Gaming (or more accurately, Agent One of AoG) is still selling a fair chunk of the Bab 5 figs even 21 years after the company closed, right? There's gaps in the range now but still plenty to be had, and it's all leftover original stock that didn't sell before AoG folded. That's how much they were still sitting on when the license was briefly transferred to those clowns at Mongoose.
@@richmcgee434 I did not know that. Thank you for sharing!
@@SommersetStriker No problem. There's not a lot of figs left at this point, but after all this time it's a surprise he's got anything, really.
Just don't buy any of the Starship Troopers stuff without checking Rebel Miniatures first. Reb bought the molds and masters from Mongoose ages ago and Agent One is gouging like mad for some of those figs now. His prices were clearly set up during the dead stretch when no one was selling them, but Reb's versions are much more reasonably priced if they're anything you're after.
One scene I found amusing was in Tird Space. It had to do with when Garabaldi accused Sheridan of having a god complex then later we see Sheridan entering his pass code on a pad and its ABRAXAS.
One positive thing one can say about The Lost Tales is that the space CGI looks amazing. Sadly they use a lot of minimal/virtual sets that look like what they are: A dark room with a spotlight so you can't see the plain walls. And yeah, the writing in TLT isn't that great. Particularly JMS's fascination with fantasy (and "the devil") always resulted in lesser episodes of B5, if you ask me.
I needed this today, thank you Mr. Fine :)
I really liked Crusade, it was a shame they didn't carry it on.
I would like to see a remake of B5, but it would likely never do the original series justice.
No remakes, not until woke is fully dead.
I’d like to see it done as JMS originally outlined, without the changes forced by actors leaving.
It would be very hard to follow the original. The main part of the show was character interactions, which was done brilliantly, and that takes time (something networks have little interest in granting these days, it seems).
After seeing the last S5 episode, when first broadcast, prequel stories to that episode are like spare pieces of a completed jigsaw.
Sliders Its Time
I really liked thirdspace and a call to arms. Crusade i did began to like at around episode 10. But seeing your footage the acting was well not so good lol.
i thought id seen all of it but i don't think i ever knew about or watched the lost tales.
He does look an awful lot like Lovejoy! Hold on, can you do Lovejoy?! Or have you?
The Man from Earth is awesome.
I like Crusade. It was killed before it reached its potential.
I served Peter woodward at the tills in a supermarket, he was buying groceries for the local childrens hospital, i immediatly recognised him by face but becuase i never really seen babylon 5 i couldent quite know what it was i knew him from. he mentioned he was an actor an did work on babylon 5. after a brief chat while i was scanning his items, when he left i was like OMG it was that 1 episode in stargate atlantis!!!! and that 1 scene in national treasure 2 but he already was gone so gutted i couldent rememeber till after he left :(
Already have all this, being a B5 addict. Have many play lists and waiting for more.
I was glad i was able to get all seasons, and movies in relations to Babylon 5 as a way to be able to watch the whole thing whenever i want
Crusade hade a lot of potential but TMT sabotaged it by running episodes in the wrong order. I liked the show, its premise, and many of the characters: Duena, the Techno- Mage, even Max Eillerson. Gary Cole’s second in command would have provided an opportunity to explore events that happened during the Telepath War. Sad that it was cancelled before it had a chance to live up to that potential. Like the first season of B5 little nuggets were planted in those 14 episodes.
Oops 13 episodes.
Excellent video BTW.
16:45 Gideon & Galen's meet-cute 😂
what a strange and magical series Babylon 5 was. thanks Stam Fine. *thumps_up.gif
i really love yr dry whit makes my day.. loved your previous video on Barbroil 5
I was always wishing one of these movie was going to be the telepath war
B5 its run of 5 yrs was a perfect end to a great series.
B-5 top notch but I actually enjoyed Crusade, excellent characters that I liked but hey to each there own..
Perhaps they meant to cast Joe Estevez as the Soul Hunter… or maybe Martin was just trying to one up him.
They wanted to cast McShane as the Soul Hunter and Sheen as the archeologist, but Sheen expressed interest in swapping roles so they switched them.
There was another series with one of Gary Cole’s alumni from Office Space - Ron Livingston in Defying Gravity. It had a similar fate to Crusade in getting canceled right when it was getting good.
Babylon 5 best sci-fi ever! Magic can never be recreated
Yes it can - Startrek Strange New Worlds is a pretty darn good refresh of OS.
@@scottyV1000 no 😭
@@scottyV1000 It's a cheap knock off
I like to point out that barring The Flash Forward at the end of the series at the beginning is also at the end as that's when lando is killed
This show would have been better aboard a standard B5 Earth cruiser.
Even though I enjoyed Crusade, the major problem I had with the show is the music. From what I understand is that TNT wanted Crusade to be like Star Trek. JMS said no. Then JMS asked SyFy if they can air it, however, they wanted to but they couldn't afford it. As for LOTR, it was bad with only exception being the last appearance of G'Kar. They kept saying the mantra Live for the one, die for the one. I was like we get it.
That zero gravity Tai Bo battle scene was painful to watch
Personally, until confirmed otherwise; I've parked any thoughts of a B5 reboot/continuation on the same shelf at the back of a cupboard as the supposed new BSG work. It was great while it was great, in both cases. The likes of The Expanse proved that entirely new works can be at least as engaging, so let's hope for more new, imaginative stuff.
Although both of these videos are excellent, I feel like I have to disagree with most of what you said here.
After seeing River of Souls on a VHS tape in 1999, I never watched it again, but the rest of the films in my opinion all range from great to absolutely fantastic.
In the Beginning finally lets us see exactly what happened before and during the Earth-Minbari war.
The story was so beautifully realised from start to finish and incredibly emotional near the end when the human President pleaded for help to allow some to escape
Earth's destruction. I bawl my eyes out everytime I hear her voice breaking.
Thirdspace was an absolute masterpiece showcasing one of JMS' greatest themes - the massive and ancient power of a hidden race which had designs on
subjugating the entire universe. It was done the first time with the Shadows in the main show, then again later in Legend of the Rangers, A Call to Arms and
The Lost Tales part 2. And when you even see a Vorlon ship which had been completely taken over by the alien artifact attacking the B5 crew, you know this
race aren't to be trifled with...!
River of Souls I don't remember the story, but I do remember not wanting to watch it a second time, so I never did.
A Call to Arms rivals Thirdspace for my favourite B5 film and the overall quality seemed to have improved too, from the set designs to the CGI. IMHO the best B5 pilot.
When B5 fans want to crap on Crusade, my response is always "Can you imagine if all we had of Babylon 5 was Midnight on the Firing Line to By Any Means Necessary?"
I can't see there being any B5 fans if that was the case. Crusade wasn't given the time to expand and show us what its lore and characters truly had to offer. And even if not
as great as the legendary themes of Christophe Franke, the music was fine with me, not only demonstrating that Crusade was something new, but that the B5 universe in
general had evolved & expanded.
I have never understood the hatred thrown at Legend of the Rangers. While maybe not up to the pilot heights of A Call to Arms, it's at least as good or better than the Gathering.
And what is the problem with the VR weapons station...? It was something original and we never got to see how it could have evolved. Again, the all-powerful force, in this case the
Hand were both interesting and terrifying at the same time. On a lighter note, maybe I was young & stupid, but even though the main guy's surname was Martell, I honestly thought
he was Delenn & Sheriden's son for some strange reason. 🤦♂
The Lost Tales gets a lot of venom thrown at it and again I don't understand why. Watching this in true HD, (not that half-baked HD that HBO has transformed the original series into)
the characters, sets and CGI all look phenomenal. While they're not the biggest or most important stories ever to be told, they are both interesting and have nice twists to them. Not
every story has to alter the universe to be good. It would have been interesting to see where this series could have gone, but alas it was not meant to be.
Thank you...
Babylon 5 was my religion in my 20s
Considering the high body count if the series regulars, I've often wondered just how much asbestos was in the "factory" that they converted on the cheap to a shooting studio ?
The screwy viewing order is a direct result of interference from the TNT board of directors. JMS had originally intended to jump straight into the action with the Excalibur already on mission and during the break in filming had new costumes made, but TNT decided they needed to make a pilot episode of the crew coming together, all with the newer uniforms so the episode order was shuffled to accommodate. At first, JMS tried to work with their "suggestions", but as they got more ridiculous he refused so TNT canceled the show and deliberately tanked the contractually obligated airing to prevent another network from picking it up.
It's more complicated than that: They started filming with the "bellhop" uniforms, then TNT requested cooler black uniforms, and also requested a second, more action-packed first episode (to be done with the new black uniforms). So they wrote the switch from black to grey into one of the new episodes, and there was an episode planned to explain the switch back to black involving a fire in the laundry room (which was a victim of the cancellation). So you can kind of tell which episodes JMS *intended* to be first (the grey ones), and which ones the studio wanted (the early black ones).
I know what they were trying to get at when they had the karate fight weapon system they were trying to give you they were trying to give us a reference of what it would be like if we were in a shadow vessel and what the person that was driving the vessel would see
Well they don't call him John "Nukem" Sheridan for nothing...
This made me laugh.
@@TheRadioAteMyTV and it's actually a quote said by Boxleitner himself in an interview....
Hey, what works, works. When a problem shows up that a nuke won't deal with, then you start looking for alternatives.
@@richmcgee434 Bigger nukes?
@@jaimeosbourn3616 Antimatter warheads. Slinging singularities at the target.
Or "Do A Kinnison" to whatever you want gone:
Go to another universe where lightspeed is the lower limit of velocity, grab two planets with diametrically opposed vectors, then pop them back into your native universe so they land on either side of the target and nutcracker it with planetary masses moving faster than light speed. If you weren't already breaking several laws of physics I'd be concerned about the energy output from that event exceeding the Big Bang.
That last one was written in 1947. Reading Doc Smith makes you sneer at something as trivial as Death Stars and Vorlon Planet Killers.
The First Order's hyperspace death ray was almost impressive, but once you've read Skylark DuQuesne it's just a damp squib by comparison. Even OTT anime can't top old scifi for sheer insane scope. :)
Crusader is to B5 is what Dora the Explorer is to Tomb Raider. Tyrannosaurus Azteca to Jurassic Park. Power Rangers to Pacific Rim. Actually, scratch that, we literally got Power Rangers for B5 with "The Legend of the Rangers".
Forget the visuals, even the talking points about what makes any spin-off separate from B5 sound inane.
I would watch a new reboot of B5 and although the tv movies and Crusade were enjoyable and welcome viewing from me .
I do feel the best of B5 was sessions one to four
Session five ( with some great one off episodes ) , felt like a long good bye
I just canceled HBO Max this morning. Tried to find B5 and found out they removed it. Yet they are still not giving up on Velma. Go figure. B5 was the only reason I got HBO Max. Now they are turning into the next Netflix. Good riddance. Anyone know where I can stream B5 now?
Just buy the new box set I did. F those people they just take your money. Invest it in permanency.
It's on Tubi and Roku
@@DanaVastmanthis is the way for B5 viewing!
the budget fizzled out after the penultimate season, obvious in the visuals and music or lack of
One minor point, the B5 comics written by JMS are cannon. Events in them are referred to in the show.
Another great video. Even though there is a lot of comedy in your videos there is clearly a lot of love too. You do some interesting videos on more obscure series and movies as well as covering the mainstream. A of it for me was...adequate, except for Legend of the rangers and Lost tales.
OH DEAR WHAT HAPPENED TO B5 CRUSADE? IT HAD POTENTIAL THAT WAS NEVER USED ! ! ! ? ? ?
Have you heard of a show called Surface? Short lived but good 👍
I belive that rating series.I know I only watched TNT for B5
Wait, that Crusage guy - is that Captain...Lumbergh??
stam fine please review misfits of science from 1985
I’m the beginning is great.
The books were good. They tied up loose ends
Crusade … TNT screwed with that show every way they could. EVERY way they could. They had a commitment to make it, and they wanted out. So they got themselves out.
I dunno if the show would've risen to Babylon 5 levels without their meddling or not. The Drakh plague would've been resolved by mid season 2 and the much darker story about Earth still futzing with Shadow tech left over from Clark's administration would've picked up.
Legend of the Rangers … I don't know how Crusade would've turned out, but LotR was not good.
Did you know that season four, was planed as the last one?
Lt. Keffer ended up in a different universe were he was killed by Luke Skywalker.
Funny to mention Keffer here, given JMS never intended for him to be in the show. He was a studio-insert character (the WB wanted a more traditional Top Gun action hero type character), and as soon as JMS realized that the studio had stopped paying attention, he wrote him out again.
Technically he was killed then Colonel Christopher Blair of Terran Confederation Space Forces who at time had defected to the Union of Border Worlds.
2:10 Janine from Ghostbusters?
In defense of Rangers , was emitted at same time that the superbowl .
If novels or comics are plotted by JMS, that makes them canon. Until he reboots the show.
I'm not a big fan of B5. I finally got around to watching the first series a couple of years ago. I have yet to find the subsequent stuff on streaming. But it is definitely worth at least one watch. I didn't watch it in first run because I watched one episode, and realized I could only take so many bad hair, ridged forehead aliens. And two Trek series pushed me to that limit.
dude.
please do farscape.
that would be awesome.
real "awesome" not hot dog with a tunnel of chilli "awesome".
I really enjoyed Crusade but I could never, not once, see Gary Cole as anyone other than the guy from Office Space or Mike Brady, but more so the guy from Office Space.
Wow
So an animated movie is coming out soon any thoughts
looking forward to it
@@StamFine Me too
6:20 gonna have to disagree. The fact that so much of _In the Beginning_ is superfluous, and other parts feel contrived to shoehorn in series main characters, knocks it down several pegs. Still better than any of the other tv movies (save perhaps _The Gathering),_ but easily outshone by _Crusade._
I had heard there were actually 17 episodes of Crusade, but only 13 were released. Was this just an urban myth, or were all 17 actually filmed? If so. Did any of that footage survive? Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks 🛸
there are a few unfilmed scripts as far as I know.
@@StamFine Thank you for replying to me personally about my question. It's appreciated.
Back in the day I used to trawl through all sorts of forums and keep my ear to the ground and always heard mixed stories about the episodes being made or not. Even to the point that someone said once that they were on tne Web somewhere, but were taken down again as they were on one of these torrent sites that got shut down.. To me it was honestly like an urban myth though.
Anyways. I appreciate the feedback and keep on making the quality vids. 👌
I know of three first drafts that were readable online for a bit (unfortunately no longer available).
1. To the Ends of the Earth - I believe the signature episode of season one (after which the season would be named, like "Signs and Portents" in B5S1). Would introduce the concept of an Earth Force Shadow vessel.
2. Value Judgements - The return of Alfred Bester/Walter Koenig (reputed to be next to be filmed when the series was cancelled).
3. End of the Line - The season finale and more details about the larger story (involving Earth Force use of Shadow tech and the Technomages involvement).
A list of the unfilmed episodes is given in the Wikipedia article on Crusade
- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Crusade_episodes#Unfilmed_episodes.
The change in uniform in Crusade was actually a plot point, a clothes designer come on board in the Ep 8 (directed by Stephen "Vir Cotto" Furst) and changed the uniform to that god awful design. That Kick Boxing crap in Legend of the De-ranged is the absolute worst concept ever imagined for a TV show. A Rangers TV show had potential but not with 1 adult(G'Kar) and a handful of adolescents.
Got to wonder how many people realise the "Swedish meatballs" line is a direct lift from Douglas Adams saying all races across the galaxy have a drink called Gin and Tonic.
Personally I can not watch past season 4. A universe without Ivanova is not universe I want to invest in. I still love the show, but have been very disappointed in the way they often treated their cast.
Copeland’s score for “The Gathering” was certainly less in keeping with the rest of the series than Franke’s, but for my money it’s still superior, sorry.
So Third Space=Dead Space
und jetzt das ganze bitte auch auf deutsch !!!
A huge budget does not make a good show. That is obvious with such awful modern examples being produced today. However a slavish adherence to a low budget destroys a good or great show. THAT is what happened with B5. Several important cast members were sacrificed to budget. It angers me because B5 was a superb concept and often very well done, despite the poor pay and zero thanks for the effort of the staff.
24:20 - Everyone gives the VR weapon thing crap. But I thought it was perfect. Rangers have a code of conduct where their weapons are supposed to be personal fighting only (I forget exact verbiage, it's been a few years). I thought the fact that they were "fighting ships" by punching like that I thought was 100% spot on for the concept of the Rangers and what they stood for.
I agree that the movies were generally inferior to the series. But I still think that you judge them too harshly.
lost tales was cool to watch but made no sense, if the centauri had declared war on earth the EA and the Interstellar alliance would wrecked the centauri fleet
I loved Barbumfights 5 and would love to see a good adaptation, true to the original.
"lost tales is the last of babylon 5 for now" , 3 months later, HELL NO IT ISNT!
That horrible "weapons control" idea was what completely killed "Legend of the Rangers" for me. When that scene came up, I was able to watch it for about 5 seconds, cringed until I couldn't look at the screen again, and shut the show off shortly afterward. It was just so horrible.
You had me at tacos
The Rangers movie and Crusade we're terrible
NOTE: Christopher Franke ... is pronounced differently ... because there IS that "e" after the "k".
Crusade was horrible. And they stole the plot from Battlestar Galactica and the second season of Buck Rodgers. The ship looked like something from an old 1930’s space serial. Lol. This show was an obvious attempt at a money grab. But if they'd put a little more thought into it they might have had something. But they went into it half assed and it showed.