Its technically not the best Leopard anymore.. that crown officially goes to the 122s this time.. as the front armor of the Leopard 2A7V is around 650mm? and 122s have it like 720? so now the 122s can tank the 152mm APFSDS from the Obj 292 while the 2A7V cant.. while having superior acceleration and top speed.. Only lacking in high quality gunner thermals and dart.. which dont really matter much
In all technicality it’s either the same or better, the armor still works against the exact same threats and the gun is “technically” better. Sure m/95 does better post pen damage but DM53 pens more with higher velocity and does quite frankly similar damage. They’re both at 5 kgs or higher mass. The overall difference here is optics which the Leopard 2A7V has Gen 3, since they share very similar firepower, armor and mobility (although mobility is somewhat gimped as well as armor). Thermals doesn’t necessarily matter but it is a stark difference from having Gen 1 Gunner thermals to Gen 3. As for the armor, in forums Gaijin has as of 2 weeks ago confirmed their acknowledgment that 2A7V shares TVM hull armor specifications and will be changed along with PSO (it will gain spall liner) to have the same armor values and have its addon armor fixed to the same as Strv 122s.
trying to fight this and the strv122b makes me want to cry. almost NOTHING you can do against it side on or not, bc spall liner eats ur shell. barelt able to breach it either with the turret cheeks so thich and volumetricy
You must be a new player who bought a top tier tank because that ridiculous. Turret ring and lower front plate are almost always one shot kills if u aim right and the spell line dosent eat your shell it’s reduces spalling a side shot can still kill a tank in one shot but most of the time only gonna take 1 or 2 crew max. Plus spall liners go after one shot passes through jt
This is kinda cope, positioning should mean more than armor since armor even on the 122s and 2A7V while stronger than most tanks isn’t an end all be all thing. Hitting the breech in general just like all tanks is tricky but when done it essentially crippled or even just one shots; this is essentially the meta and should be first over one shots unless you are completely certain it will kill from experience. If you can’t reliably destroy a tank, then cripple. And if you can’t reliably cripple a tank then get into better positions or wait until you can. This is a fundamental problem = solution, in all BRs especially top tier since all contemporary tanks in their respective BRs can destroy each other with ease.
Gonna have to agree with kirsh as the a7v being the best. The improved optics is worth it to me for the slight decrease in armor. I’d stay the strvs are a close second though.
@RenesisActual I also agree with this sentiment, the gen 3 thermals make a massive difference on the bigger maps and the frontal armor is all you need for the smaller ones combined with the full spall liner setup. It also trumps the strv with mobility I believe
me and my two buddys are also in that match you can even see us multiple times XD nice good game
Its technically not the best Leopard anymore.. that crown officially goes to the 122s this time.. as the front armor of the Leopard 2A7V is around 650mm? and 122s have it like 720? so now the 122s can tank the 152mm APFSDS from the Obj 292 while the 2A7V cant.. while having superior acceleration and top speed.. Only lacking in high quality gunner thermals and dart.. which dont really matter much
The m95 is heavier than the dm53, better post pen damage
Ah well tell germany make a better one then
yeah but the 122s are stupid
In all technicality it’s either the same or better, the armor still works against the exact same threats and the gun is “technically” better. Sure m/95 does better post pen damage but DM53 pens more with higher velocity and does quite frankly similar damage. They’re both at 5 kgs or higher mass.
The overall difference here is optics which the Leopard 2A7V has Gen 3, since they share very similar firepower, armor and mobility (although mobility is somewhat gimped as well as armor).
Thermals doesn’t necessarily matter but it is a stark difference from having Gen 1 Gunner thermals to Gen 3.
As for the armor, in forums Gaijin has as of 2 weeks ago confirmed their acknowledgment that 2A7V shares TVM hull armor specifications and will be changed along with PSO (it will gain spall liner) to have the same armor values and have its addon armor fixed to the same as Strv 122s.
@@KozenXwhere did you see this mate can you send a link please, and when are they going to implement this?
trying to fight this and the strv122b makes me want to cry. almost NOTHING you can do against it side on or not, bc spall liner eats ur shell. barelt able to breach it either with the turret cheeks so thich and volumetricy
You must be a new player who bought a top tier tank because that ridiculous. Turret ring and lower front plate are almost always one shot kills if u aim right and the spell line dosent eat your shell it’s reduces spalling a side shot can still kill a tank in one shot but most of the time only gonna take 1 or 2 crew max. Plus spall liners go after one shot passes through jt
@@zenitu6914 2 1/12 thousand hours in the game, actually.
@@zenitu6914yea but 9 out of 10 you won’t get that shot and end up bounced
This is kinda cope, positioning should mean more than armor since armor even on the 122s and 2A7V while stronger than most tanks isn’t an end all be all thing.
Hitting the breech in general just like all tanks is tricky but when done it essentially crippled or even just one shots; this is essentially the meta and should be first over one shots unless you are completely certain it will kill from experience.
If you can’t reliably destroy a tank, then cripple. And if you can’t reliably cripple a tank then get into better positions or wait until you can. This is a fundamental problem = solution, in all BRs especially top tier since all contemporary tanks in their respective BRs can destroy each other with ease.
The best indeed!
the best, so far. Leopard 2A8 already exists IRL and has better protection, better gun, hard-kill APS and some more nice upgrades.
@@unlink1649 oh I can't wait to see that in-game but it will probably take maybe 2 to 3 years.
Whats your graphics settings?
Love this tank so much 😊
Today out of all days war thunder doesn’t want to connect to servers for me on Xbox
Best tank in the game
GG WP
Not the Leopard 2K?!?!?
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Nah he is cheating guys
Do you have any relation to Matawg? You sound really similar, can be beacuse i think you are both brazillian (i assume), but who knows 😅
No I do not, I’m from Colombia
@@kirshenbaumPlays Thank you!
Needs a nerf, spall liner is bs and shouldnt cover the hatches, nor should it eat any huge atgm like hell or krism's
Aye aye 2nd armored general mjr. Battleshipman56 we will adjust our tanks accordingly to your keyboard experiences
war thunder serversa re diying...they dont implement to change theyr servers,,game will die soon otherwise
For me the best leopards still stay to Sweden
Gonna have to agree with kirsh as the a7v being the best. The improved optics is worth it to me for the slight decrease in armor. I’d stay the strvs are a close second though.
@RenesisActual I also agree with this sentiment, the gen 3 thermals make a massive difference on the bigger maps and the frontal armor is all you need for the smaller ones combined with the full spall liner setup. It also trumps the strv with mobility I believe