The Crowning and Regalia at the British Coronation
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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In this video I explore what to most is considered the high point of the Coronation of the British sovereign, the crowning. I also look at the investiture with the regalia: the armills, the stole, the robe royal, the orb, the sceptres, ring and the glove - what these all symbolise and what has changed in the coronation this year of Charles III
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I have to admit that I’m looking forward to Dr Barton’s post-mortem on the Coronation almost as much as the ceremony itself… 😂
Coming on Saturday evening without doubt. Should be fun.
@@allanbarton I'll stay up for it late in Australia 🦘
@@allanbarton allan as the Archbishop of Westminster is taking part in the Coronation service by reading a prayer , I believe this is the first time since the Coronation of Mary I that a Catholic Bishop has said a prayer at English/British Coronation.
I’m going to be rather sorry when it’s all over, I’ve really enjoyed your company the last few weeks! Hopefully you’ll have plenty of thoughts on the ceremony in the days following.
Thank you, still lots of interesting content to come.
I hope the bbc or anyone broadcasting the coronation will explain all these objects as good as you've done for us. Thank you again Allan!
I expect they have been told to emphasise certain things. The briefing notes will be copious I'm sure.
They will probably be cribbing from this channel!
Brilliant videos. I've really learnt a lot about the British monarchy and have come to appreciate the importance of ceremony in the life of an institution. I'm curious, I want to know what the title of your theme music is.
Thank you for this video! It was informative and lovely!
Thanks once again for this outstanding video. It would be wonderful if you could live stream a commentary of the event , you are best expert about.
Doing a live stream during the ceremony would be a distraction. Allan should be able to enjoy it as much as we will.
Another brilliant explanation… especially why the coronation matters
I'm American and so thus on the other side of the pond, so to speak. I have friends in the U.k. who won't be watching, and I understand their reasons. But as for me, I will get up at 3 in the morning, make myself a cup of tea, and watch it all. I will not be taking the citizen oath, however. Not only because I'm American, but because it sounds really stupid. Whose idea was that??!
I won't be swearing an oath of homage, I'm not a peer of the realm. It is deeply silly.
Dr.Barton your entire series on the coronation was clear knowledgeable and important! Thank you so much!❤😊
If you have the time, what would you think of how a Scottish coronation, Presbyterian and at Scone/Boot Hill would work? I seem to recall the Stuart monarchs had an English and a Scottish coronation. What would it look like today? What would be used? How might it differ?
Was facinating to see the Scottish-English differences surrounding the Queen's death (wearing the Thistle, the Crown of Scotland on the casket, etc).
Thanks for all you do and teach!
-American historian doing Ph.D. work on Scots-Irish religious development in American colonies
One of the best videos on anything I've ever watched on You Tube. Magnificent! I'm sending it to friends who really don't have a clue what the coronation means so they'll hopefully understand the service and its crucial role in the affairs and life of this country.
Amazing... Although I understand why the King wants people of other faiths there I would sooner have the traditional peers fulfil their hereditary roles and for everything to be less messed about with
I mean I think it would be more magical and meaningful if everyone was equally invested and involved with the form and meaning of the words and there is more power (I feel) for the descendant of the people who fulfilled the roles for his forbears to echo these actions at this coronation I feel bad for those families whose long treasured family honours have been swept aside to make way for people who are or have been career politicians
I agree it would have been better to find new roles for the faith representatives. It could have been a great opportunity to add a new item of regalia to remind the monarch of his role to protect all faiths. Perhaps a second glove to represent balance but unfortunately the opportunity has been lost.
Except that those families, unlike in 1953, no longer play a role in the political life of the nation and continuing to link the authority of the monarchy with that of something that is merely a historical shadow without living realitywould, I think, be very dangerous. The monarchy is a modern as well as an ancient institution, and balancing these two aspects is what has enabled it to survive. I don’t mean this cynically, but rather as keeping the roots but pruning that which is no longer fruitful to allow new growth.
@@annedavis8652 Personally I dont think adding politically active people does much for preserving the necessary separation of the monarchy from party politics. I think the magic and mystique of monarchy as a symbol of neutrality would be much better served by retaining lots of the marvellous medieval customs that appeal so much to visitors and people interested in the past/ history because too much trying to be all things to all people often ends up pleasing nobody at all. I think we should stick to the old traditions and keep politicians right out of it
@@johnd7862 I take your point but that was then and those people werent there because of their party but because their great granddad had fulfilled the same role. and I feel that matches the sense of continuity of the monarchy.. I dont think the coronation then was as politically controversial to the same degree it is now and I dont think people nowadays are taught to be conscious how much the concept of a politically neutral monarchy helps stabilize our system and prevent the violent party political polarization we often see in other countries. We need to be seen to treasure that stable neutral core and stop politicians using the innocent and well meaning King as a smokescreen and cash cow for their shenanigans
@@johnd7862 lines can easily revert, doesnt have to be a duke The current lord of the manor of Worksop for example is a farmer called Brian Farr. I think it would be fun!
Best wishes for the soon to be crowned 👑 King Charles lll and Queen Camilla 👑! Also I wish the very best for the United Kingdom and the other lands around the world 🌏🌎🌍 subject to the British crown of King Charles 👑!
Another EXCELLENT video, Allan!! ❤👍💗
Hope you are feeling better!!🙏
I'm feeling much better today, thanks for asking Nadia.
There are experts and then there are Experts. Your knowledge is astonishing.
Agreed 100%.
Fully agree with you! Allan has the BEST videos, and is also the BEST narrator. RSC in NJ.
Will Handel's anthem "Zadok The Priest" be played?
It will I'm pleased to say.
This is amazing. What a privilege to know the details and representation of these articles from ages past. Thankyou.
Bless you for documenting all of this and all the subtle and not so subtle shifts over the centuries.
THANK YOU ❤❤❤❤
My little dog is now too old to go chasing after balls and sticks, but when she did so she would never bring them back to me, as she then had control over me and could lead me where she wanted. It suddenly dawned on me one day that a ball and a stick are an orb and sceptre, the symbols of royal authority!
(My apologies for lowering the tone of this serious discussion! I am really very keen on maintaining royal tradition and grateful to Fr Deacon Nectarios for his erudite accounts of the coronation ceremonial and regalia.)
If it were edited in 1910, I agree with Prince of Wales no ivory approach of removing it. I've long dreaded the loss of Queen E, but knew KC3 would do well. Look who trained him! And Wills is watching! The service of this family is appreciated in the Buckeye state
I have often wondered Min looking at the pictures for Her Majesty’s coronation, how did she get up out of the chair with all that on? I know the robes and other vestments are heavy and she was the same size as I am. I know I couldn’t do it. Now a 75 year old steps up to assume the job he was born for, these vestments and regalia will weigh heavy on him both literally and figuratively. God save the king and bless King Charles III and Queen Camilla.
Thank you for this series of lessons. I’m glad that they appeared on my suggested videos.
Thanks for the explanation, we wont be watching! This is an English state occasion and the renewal of bond with its people and the ANGLICAN CHURCH NOT JEWISH! I have nothing against any religion but I think you get the point! This is absolutely ridiculous!
Thank you for educating us in the sacred and regal symbols of coronation.
Fascinating!
Is the Antiquary Coronation Special going to be published as a pdf Allan?
Interesting conjecture regarding the possibility that Edward's regalia were lower value grave goods that they were willing bury with him but then later used.
Changing names so as not to "offend" the ever delicate sensibilities of "Modern Britain". Pathetic.
Giving in to the woke - nothing wrong with the word Imperial or what it signified …
Much appreciated! 😊👍
so interesting, I am looking forward to this historic event.
Well done as usual. Thanks for sharing your work.
For all the official words about God, it seems C3 is trying to get away from the God of the Church.
Is he? I know him to be a more devout Christian than many of his predecessors.
Thank you Dr. Barton!
The holy hand grenade!
hopefully it won't have to be used on Saturday!
Sun shining above the Earth.
1:57 are those the Mitford sisters at left?
Why is St. Edward's crown worn only once during the lifetime of the sovereign? (Thanks for your videos!!!)
Because it was originally a relic in the possession of Westminster Abbey. I've got two videos on the crown on the channel where I talk at some depth about that.
@@allanbarton I understand the late Queen was allowed to borrow it for a while before the Coronation to practice balancing it on her head and moving around. I wouldnt be surprised if the King did the same --- so only once *officially* anyway
Presumably, any resizing of the two crowns for the new monarch is performed by adding or removing padding within the ermine band of the integral 'cap of maintenance'? It must be impossible actually to change the circumference of the metal bands of the crowns themselves (or am I missing something obvious)? Many thanks again for these truly fascinating presentations! One thing that I've come to realize is that the coronation chair faces the high altar and not (as I'd come to presume from film of the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II) the nave.
The 1937 imperial crown will need to be expanded, the band was made smaller for the late Queen - it is not too much bother to do as the frame is made of platinum and is constructed primarily of settings and very little solid material. They are all working items and they are often resized. St Edward's crown was resized in 1911 and lost eleven ounces in weight from the band. Yes the chair faces the altar, it has never faced the people - so that the sovereign can focus keep their eyes on the altar and on the sacrament reserved there.
@@allanbarton Thank you for confirming these facts for me. I was just watching your video on St Edward's crown and heard you mention about its resizing in 1911. I also noted from your excellent illustrations of coronations past that very few of the peers (including those in the front rows of the transept and nave, and those 'in the gods' [no pun intended]) were able to see much at all of the ceremony, as the coronation chair was positioned clase to the high altar and its back concealed almost everything occurring once the monarch was seated!
Impressive but being the head of Church of England just discouraged what happened to First marriage & his direct family is not a good example not talking to each other ..
Well, we all know how the Church of England started.
We are aware of the many marital tribulations of the King who started it, and how he dealt with members both of his immediate and his extended family.
@@a.t.c.3862 Do you?
Shame about dropping the term Imperial, pity Duke of Newcastle missed out as well with the 🥊.
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Glad you appreciated this series of videos, thanks for watching!
Thank you. Not long now. I see how the ceremony is modernised with the choice of people presenting the regalia. Quite a clever way to update it without altering the service and significance.
I'm planning a trip to GB asap
Excited to hear "Vivat Rex"!!!
The king seems to be suffering from edema to some extent. I wonder if just acknowledging some of the wearable items is purely practical due to this.
That is my thinking too, but I didn't want to mention it in the video. His hands are often quite swollen.
Always watching
I like the Fabergé Egg
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Why were the previous enamel armels (sp?) replaced by the gold ones at the late Queen Elizabeth’s coronation? The enamel ones were lovely. And why isn’t King Charles going to wear them?
The enamel ones would undoubtedly have been too big for Q Elisabeth as they had been made for a man. They can't be resized without fully remaking them. I wear a lot of cuff bangles but they get caught up with long sleeves and anyway long sleeves hide them, as we see in paintings and photos of coronations of previous kings, so armills are wasted when worn with modern mens' clothing. The Queen however, had bare forearms in her coronation gown, so the armills were not a nuisance, plus they could be clearly seen.
@@a24-45 I think he wore the enamel ones! I was watching on my phone so it was a pretty small picture but I think he wore them along with the glove???
@@ffvvaacc I watched the whole ceremony on TV. The enamel armills were presented to the king and he touched them and then they were taken away again. I had a good look at his sleeve cuffs each time he reached his hands out, and they were closely buttoned and to the wrist, so there wouldn’t have been room for the armills to go on anyway. He would have needed to wear a sleeve that could be pushed up. And it just may be that his wrists are larger than those of George IV. PS I love those armills too.
@@a24-45 I have to admit I must be going mad. I could have sworn I saw those enamel bands on his wrists. So bizarre. When I looked back I saw he indeed only touched them and sent them on their way. Now I have no idea what I saw before. Ah well. 😂
@@ffvvaacc you may have been looking at the sleeve cuff edges of the gold supertunica, I could see a rim of gold shine at times when he raised his hands forward .
He practically had his way. This was supposed to be an Anglican service. What with all the people of other faiths in it. Can we have a single service that is entirely Anglican. For God's sake he is supposed to be supreme governor of the Church of England. There are many other state services where we see people of other faiths involved. Can't we just have one that is Anglican as it should be. GOD HELP US!
I'm an American evangelical, but I think that you have a valid point.
The rest of us exist too and deserve to be equally represented. This isn't the Dark Ages any more.
Awesome, I'm drooling over looking at the regalia 🤤 I'm female and I don't care if everyone knows this. Do you have a email address. I heard that several pieces of the old regalia was hidden from Cromwell, it would be a miracle if someone was to find it by metal detecting. I'm American and it would be a heavily sticky wicket if I were to find them by accident, because I remember the story of an elderly American who won the Irish sweepstakes and the IRS dragged him back in chains because he kept it Ireland this was in the 70's 😢🤦🏻♀️😡🤬🔥 I was a kid when I heard that horrible story even seen the news about it. Just wrong all around.
Discoveries of treasure *must* be reported to the local coroner and it is a criminal offence not to report them. It is also necessary to report any finds to the landowner. The coroner will decide on the fate of the treasure and the finder is entitled to a finder's fee if the find is ruled to be treasure. (typically precious metals or a group of coins)The coroner will take all reasonable steps to find the true owner The occupier of the land has more rights than those of a finder over any items found in or attached to that land.
@@ludovica8221 I already knew about the part of the landowner but thanks for the other information. It's a thought of mine.
@@cyankirkpatrick5194 If anything like that was to show up it is comforting to think that through the provision of this law an item of that much importance would be recovered by the Crown, where it surely belongs, would add to scholarship and would be a great tourist attraction as well
"Lord Patel...a Scottish Knight".....LOL! More of that "Modern Britain". LOL! Who is Colonizing who?