South Arabia in Late Antiquity - Dr.
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- In this episode of the Real Talk Podcast, we're thrilled to welcome Dr. Imar Koutchoukali to discuss aspects of his dissertation on South Arabia in Late Antiquity. Dr. Koutchoukali's research focuses on linguistic and socio-political transformations during this period, exploring key historical events that may have sparked significant changes in the region during the early Islamic era. We'll examine pivotal events such as the rise of the Himyarites to power, the persecution of Christians in Najran by the Jewish Himyarite ruler Yusuf Dhu Nuwas during his revolt against alleged Aksumite wardship, and Abraha's expedition into central Arabia.
Furthermore, we'll analyse how epigraphic material aligns with or diverges from literary accounts of South Arabian history, providing valuable insights into the region's past. If you're fascinated by South Arabia during late Antiquity, then this episode of the Real Talk Podcast with Terron & Roxanna, featuring Dr. Imar Koutchoukali, promises to be an enlightening discussion. Make sure to check out Dr. Koutchoukali's dissertation 'Our ʿirbīt is not like your ʿarabiyya' for an in-depth exploration of these topics: www.academia.e...].
Here's a preliminary list of sources mentioned during the podcast for listeners who want to dive deeper into the subject:
Bashear, Suliman. 1989. “Yemen in Early Islam an Examination of Non-Tribal Traditions.” Arabica 36(3):327-61.
Cook, David. 2008. “The Ashab Al-Ukhdud: History and Hadith in a Martyrological Sequence.” Jerusalem Studies in Arabic and Islam 34:125-48.
Gajda, Iwona. 2009. Le royaume de Himyar à l’époque monothéiste: l’histoire de l’Arabie du Sud ancienne de la fin du IVe siècle de l’ère chrétienne jusqu’à l’avénement de l’islam. Paris: De Boccard [u.a.].
Retsö, Jan. 2003. “When Did Yemen Become ‘Arabia Felix’?” Proceedings of the Seminar for Arabian Studies 33:229-35.
Robin, Christian Julien. 2013. “À Propos de Ymnt et Ymn : ” Nord ” et ” Sud ”, ” Droite ” et ” Gauche ”, Dans Les Inscriptions de l’Arabie Antique.” Pp. 119-40 in Entre Carthage et l’Arabie heureuse. Mélanges offerts à François Bron, Orient et Méditerranée, 12, edited by F. Briquel-Chatonnet, C. Fauveaud, and I. Gajda. Paris, De Boccard.
Robin, Christian Julien, and Sarah Rijziger. 2018. “‘The Owner of the Sky, God of Israel’ in a New Jewish Ḥimyaritic Inscription Dating from the Fifth Century CE.” Der Islam 95(2):271-90. doi: 10.1515/islam-2018-0050.
Rodinson, Maxime. 2004. Mohammad. Paris: Editions du Seuil.
Silverstein, Adam. 2019. “‘Who Are the Aṣḥāb al-Ukhdūd? Q 85:4‒10 in Near Eastern Context.’” Der Islam 96(2):281-323. doi: 10/gf9rrz.
Ulrich, Brian. 2019. Arabs in the Early Islamic Empire: Exploring al-Azd Tribal Identity. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press.
Webb, Peter. 2016. Imagining the Arabs: Arab Identity and the Rise of Islam. Edinburgh, UK: Edinburgh University Press.
Me 5 weeks ago upon first discovering this channel: Skepsislamica? Sounds like a clickbait-y, lowbrow, gotcha-loving, debate-bro-y, bad faith-arguing, unacademical, pseudo-historical youtube channel! I'll stay browsering Gabriel Said's podcasts for a little while longer...
Me 1 week ago when this episode was delayed: "We want Imar! We want Imar! We want Imar! We want Imar! I demand to be educated on Southern Arabia!"
This is my way of saying that this is an excellent history podcast! Great work everyone!
Terron bhai, it doesn't cease to impress me that despite your not possessing the formal academic background, you have grown a channel with authenticity and independent thinking. Passion trumps pretension. Keep up the good work, guys.
THANK YOU. Always a fascination of mine, Southern Arabia, even as a child reading on Yemen in National Geographic. As a side note, some of the most beautiful and unique architectural styles I have seen are Yemeni 1:18
I would not group in Dan Gibson with Stephen Shoemaker like that. Yea they're both revisionists in a sense but Shoemaker is still a respected scholar while Dan Gibson can only find friends among Christian apologists
One of the final successful Sassanid conqeusts prior to collapse from the never before or since seen speed of Islamic expansion--Mongols don't count here as that was not based upon any religious or ideological framework, explicitly--was that of Axumite rule over southern arabia, both Yemen and what is now Saudi territory along the undefined border with Yemen. It has documentation from multiple cultures on separate continents who participated against each other. Southern Arabia was central to Axum's ambitions, and that war even BEGAN in 570... and did not conclude for about 8 years. Also, a major group within the Abbasids, the Khurasan--clearly Sassanids-Arab descendants from the conquest from Khorasan or assumed to be--were a of great importance during the third Caliphate. Abu Muslim al-Khurasani may have been from either the Isfahan region or Khorasan, and not a remnant from prior Sassanid conquest of Southern Arabia, but Khorasan has been Iranian or proto-indo-iranian or even Iranshahr in later pre-Islamic times--or any term one wishes to use which can is semantically relevant--for almost as long as the written word has been around.
So this is why Islam is so close to Judaism?
Not sure if you realise, but "permissible" and "forbidden" (halal and haram) are pre Islamic Judaic concepts?
Sorry no direct reference for you but I am sure it can be found.
So if the influence on Islam was from South Arabia, Yemen etc, which was quasi-Jewish, this makes a lot of sense.
I think the rejection of Mohammed by the Jews of Yathrib or Medina in about 624 provides a very relatable bit of history.
Around 624 was the first abrogation of the Mecca Verses, and the change of Qibla.
This is almost what makes me believe in Mohammed the most, and makes him very human and relatable.
And then all the Ethiopic references and words in the Quran fall into place too.
And rather wonderful find about Abraha downgrading the status of Jesus, I will have to listen to that again.
Islam is Messianic cult
Those southern regions were of utmost importance. If we look at the territorial expanse of almost ANY major polity of imperial stature, one or both southern outcrops of the peninsula almost always were controlled for important reasons such as trade, prestige, and defense. Southern Arabia has a mystique to it which the region most now think of as Arabia--Saudi Arabia but not either Oman or Yemen or even Qatar--was the point on the peninsula which was desired by every western imperial power. Whether it be the Parthians, Sassanians/Sassanids, or the various caliphates and dynasties of the Iranian Intermezzo, Europe was OBSESSED with access to India and China, hence the age of exploration. The needed to circumvent their natural opponent, no matter which specific group ruled along the border regions dividing empires
I did not even realize just HOW discounted Southern Arabia has become. It was always obvious how important southern arabia was both before and after the rise of Islam. It would be willfully ignorant to assume the inhabitants who rose to power in successive regimes forgot how important these geographic locations were both for their own benefit and to their adversaries. It is as was said before a whitewashing or attempted one
I hope this isn't a big demand, but it would be great if you provide timestamps for your videos.
I'll try to.
WOW! That is a joke. South Arabia has long been among the most important points of trade for millennia. It sounds as if they wished to segment or create a notion of ARABIA PROPER as the Saudi state and then minimize the importance of Axum, not to mention the fact the Greeks, Romans, as well as the different Iranian--I won't refer to all as Persian in this context--saw southern Arabia as a very important geopolitical and economic location. Just look at Zanzibar. I forget who controlled it for centuries... oh wait... and also, i have no even mentioned the local landscape politically with Qatabanians and more. what that individual said is clearly a political talking point. Yemen itself likely has a slighly larger population today than Saudi Arabia, though official figures suggest the other way around fwiw 1:07
Since when Dan Gibson become/considered as scholars bro? even more, to compared with Showmaker?😂
Lol
Thank you professor, the mention of fractiousness between the many tribal groupings of not only the south but elsewhere and constantly shifting alliances among them only cause the dominant among them to write the OFFICIAL narrative. Others exist, but it is typical to see the conquering group destroy much of what predated their domination over a region. Especially if they have long-standing relations dating hundreds or thousands of years. As you state here, they were primarily sedentary. Yemen has some of the oldest continuously inhabited active population centers in the world 24:40
Here is the most hilarious part: the western powers such as rome, byzantium, and subsequent states always desired these locations and there were many Greeks merchants who ended up residing in Southern Arabia following Macedonian/Alexander the excellent conquest of what was the most imposing force to date, the Achaemenids. He's right, they just seem to have decided to arbitrarily make it a point to ignore this history until the colonial period where the brits eyes the southern region with EYES OPEN AS WIDE AS CAN BE. There was western literature referring the importance of this region, and while it was not applied for a very long time, there is no excuse for academics who have had access to records from the Romans, Greeks, Byzantines, etc. of the importance of ports along the Arabian Sea 3:39
FWIK the Himyarites were vassalized or perhaps confederated--unlikely-- with the Qatabanian polity at the time of their ascent. They gradually achieved increasing autonomy until only nominally a vassalized or federated unit of Qataban and again, only from the perspective of the Qatabanian overlords. There is obviously debate here haha. I have read that the Himyarites established rule over a number of other groups in the region prior to felling Qatabanian rule itself around the 3rd century iirc. While in the region for centuries, and achieving a period of independence and a true political entity with outward authority to some degree, the Himyarites represent the group which at that time was supreme. Prior to this, the Qatabanians were the dominant political force of the region, and once the Axumites moved in and conquered most of the south-western Arabian region, they were then quickly supplanted by the Sassanids who also did not represent the local populace either, and in their case, not due to numbers, but because it was an imperial invasion into another empire's territory. It is just very difficult to get any information as to what occurred on the GROUND, not in an ivory tower. Sorry if that is overly complex, lol but i tried to cut it down and believe the concept I wished to get through did so haha
Thank you, Professor. As i just wrote, it is LOGICAL 4:45
Glad to see this is a pursuit of study even is Estonia. Excellent. There should be no geographic limitation, as events dating back as long as there are records continue to impact today. If we deny this, we are throwing away accomplishments from the development of written language to the wheel and more. What arises in one spot does not always remain there alone
According to the renowned contemporary Arab historian Dr Khaza’al Al Majidi , throughout history South Arabia in general and Yemen in particular have completely different language, culture or Arabic Abjad until mid seventh century.
He is not renowned. He is even shunned by his peers in Iraq.
@@moataz989 thanks for your comments but the issue here is Yemen never has been an Arabic speaking country until the advent of Islam.
@@ahmedhashim2652 Khaza'al is just a Thief.
@@ahmedhashim2652 This is ridiculous. They found the oldest Arabic inscriptions in Yemen, 300 BC
@@عبداللهاليافعي-ش1ل 300 bc? Arabic script did not exist back then.
Arabian polytheism has been replaced by Levantine polytheism, Christianity and Judaism.
The levantine polytheism is called hanpe/henpa(Hanif)
What was the religious landscape of Yemen and the Lakhmid territory during the prophetic period?
Yemen was Jewish? Zoroastrian? Christian?
What about the Lakhmid state?
I've heard Nestorian, Pagan, Zoroastrian?
Do you have any information about the religious landscapes and majority beliefs?
Yemen was certainly Jewish even though they invaded and ruled by Christian Abysinians. Najran was Christian though.
The Lakhmids are more complicated. They have both Jewish and Nestorian influences.
Hahahaha