Only mr teffo got guts to tell them face to face that no intruder's cme into the house, so n so shot senzo meyiwa,, that was a right person to solve ds matter,, that's y they arrested him right in side de court y he knw lot of information about this case,, n whn he cmes back again they ddnt allow him to be in de court room either being a layer of sfiso meyiwa,, the reason is that,, he got evrything... For now our hope should be on mshololo,, that lady knw her story,, let's wait on Monday
@daysmandulo8939 . It's amazing how we got a judge with this background. I wish we get justice since atleast the judge loves soccer. He probably has an interest in the case & that's good.
He knows the rules of the game since he was a player!He knows time wasting tactics that is why he lectures the defense!People want the truth and they must understand there are many witnesses in this case that is why the judge doesn't want time wasting!
Mr Ratha I realy respect you as human being you are a great teacher of NPA i realy thanks Mr Ramaphosa to bring you to this court Yhooo that is discipline we want you are neutral
Crack the whip Mr Judge! We’ve been so used and conditioned to mediocrity we’ve actually grown numb to it. The wheels are starting to turn finally. Khuluma spirit sikaSenzo🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
God is revealing his power through judge the whole world is waiting especially Meyiwa's family I wonder uthini uTeffo if bamlalela ngabe kudala laphela and umshololo unobuxokinyana akamanga noTefo wafuna ukuqgama oh well Thank you Teffo ubomesaba umuntu ongafundanga
U can call Teffo names bt we all know why he was lyk that Judge never made it easier for him so at some stage he was teaching Maumela how to do his Job
No the judge misses the point. The defence tries to demonstrate that ma Khumalo lies about the identity of the accused by showing conflicting statements she made.
The judge ,He’s 100% right I don’t understand how what the court is saying is confusing these advocates? You need to put it to the witness that NO INTRUDERS ENTERED THE HOUSE!
I think the judge is missing the point here.the defence is saying they were not there so now how can they put a version to say there were no intruders or how many bullets were shoot caz the accused r saying they were not there.if they accused r saying they were not there they can't dispute any thing that happened in there.
@@KM-3111I once represented an accused who also had an alibi defence and had to spend half the trial silent because I couldn't put much to the witnesses.
How does the defence say there were no intruders or how many intruders were there? The role of the defence is poke holes in the witness statement which will lead to the state not being able to prove beyond that these guys were the intruders. The state also needs to find the 'intruders' if indeed they exist. The judge is asking the defence team to bring something irrelevant to them bt important to the judge as he needs to decide if there intruders or not, did they kill the guy or it was the ppl in the house who killed the guy.NB not a law person by a citizen with interest in this case.
@@Nkunzikayihlehli you're not wrong. Defence counsel must test the state's case and put their clients version. So you can point out improbabilities in the evidence but the only time you really need to weigh in is if a witness identifies the accused as being present. Alibi defences have to be declared at the beginning of trial so the state is prepared for it. But yeah, defence doesn't have to endlessly test versions different from their client's.
in my understanding thE whole basis of Defence argument is that THEY ARE NOT INVOLVED AS IN THEY WERE NEVER THERE AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SENZOS DEATH. so it’s important that they put it to the witness that the suspects were never there on said day/alleged suspects never intruded on that particular day .. failure to acknowledge that or put that on record means they don’t dispute that their clients were there of which their instructions from clients is that they were never there to begin with .. even if they stay silent they need to put it on record that their clients were never there therefore never committed the offence because if not states closing argument will say ukuthi listen , not once did defence dispute that their clients were there they only dispute they they didn’t do it meaning they were present that day , do you guys hear me?
I’m not a lawyer but this Judge is a great teacher. I get what he says. Basically he says the defense should let the State prove their clients are guilty. The defense shouldn’t waste time with details of a crime scene their clients know nothing about, allegedly. So, in my opinion, all they need to focus on is discrediting the witnesses in their ability to ID their clients and discredit any physical evidence linking their clients, eg. dna or finger prints
But the lawyers can't go straight to the point of " there was intruder" just like that. They must first discredit the witness testimony. To me, the judge is putting the cart before the horse
Mshololo was hoing tuo state it, because she said it 8months ago to Tumelo, ,and the judge must chill, it is the strategy of the lawyers i,e who ask what and they are not boring , they are educating, us . Nxumalo was getting there ,and he is going to grill this lady who is lying on Monday im looking foward to this interesting case. Senzo May you rest in Peace Baka Baka
The judge is missing something, the lawyers are saying even if there were intruders, these are not the ones. the other lawyer is saying the intruder was Twala
Trust me from a point of law, they have not made that case, let's remove emotions and analyse if there is anything material to exonerate the accused, so far nothing
@@suprememonokeng8011 I may be wrong, but my thinking is that the role of the defense is not to exonerate but to cast doubt on the version of the state. I agree that they failed to take certain lines of argument to their fullest. eg how did you recognize a person in a hoodie, how come you say a person is light and another person says that they are dark, you are making this story up....
I am not a law person but, how can they argue there was no intruder? Because whether there were intruders or not, the argument is that their clients weren't there. Just because their clients weren't there does not necessarily mean there were no intruders.
@@sphephelomabuyakhulu3327 Thats exactly where the judge is getting lost. Why go to the trouble of allerging that there were no intruders when you have never been to the place. With respect the judge unduly challenged the competence of learned and very competent counsel
Ohk teffo used to say to the witness tht l put it 2 u tht no intruders entered the house Mr Meyiwa was killed wth one of the pple who whr inside the house. Now pple wll salute Ad teffo finish
Haai Tefo told us already that there was no intruder and Mshololo is yet to grill mrs I am having chest pains and the black mamba was really heading there my Lord. He was actually saying Longwe was the intruder from how I understood his way of questioning.
Absolute true , he was getting there, Mr Mokgoatlheng please be patirnt and give Mr Nxumalo a chance to finish ,( Ke strategy Rrra )they dont want to repeat , we are getting there, just be patient. We really need to hear these conflictung evidences these witnesses comes about,
Relevant questions by the Judge. Practitioners are wasting precious time. Just cross examine in line with client's instructions. If one's client is not implicated leave that State witness.
I'm astounded at the line of questioning from defense lawyers.. even people in comment sections and twitter are posing more probing questions . Sad , if this is the reason why innocent people find themselves in prison because of a weak defense
I agree with u, these defence lawyers are all over the place n sometimes one wonders how their line of questioning is going to help assist the court... So irrelevant as if they didn't prepare or they simply do not know what to put forward to prove to the court that the state doesn't hv a case against their clients... So sad n feel for their clients...
@@Hubert677i actually c this is getting the job done...its long tht these guys hv been arrested wth this dilly dally. Being a advocate bt cnt gt to the crux is signs of weakness....these guys r being paid by our taxes(legal aid) cz of the restart...imagine hw mch the accused families already lost in this ongoings...
@@Hubert677 Because instead of going to Durban from Johannesburg they go to Polokwane thus wasting six hours!In other words the judge is telling the defense that they are the ones who are making this case to move!Remember all those witnesses who are going to be called and the postponement that are to come!
@@timothytshepothobane915 this case is a home run now by the way the judge has put it for u guys .it’s evident that zandi is talking bs ,she’s been told to be arrogant yet try to be smart yet she’s so dumb.
But my lord my client was not there but in terms of intruders I wouldn’t comment but I can certainly confirm that my client wasn’t there and my client has an alibi to confirm That (how would I do as a lawyer) ratings bafethu 🤔
@@lungelomajola7522 I thought we were talking about the Presiding Judge of this Trial whose Name is Ratha" Jimmy Greaves" Mokgoatheng who is a Former Kaizer Chiefs and Orlando Pirates. Sorry for misdirection my answer.My Apologies
The judge is forgetting that he is just a referee.he cannot dictate to counsel how they should cross-examine the witness. he should atleast exercise patience and understand that these gentlemen are proving zandile's dishonesty and flaws in her statements.she keeps on contradicting herself. Is he trying to give the public an impression that the counsel is not good enough? I think he should learn to think out of the box. we should know the meaning of inferences. He is the one who will delay the case. I also think that the counsel are scared of him that is why they are unable to stand their ground. the reason for that is the media because they portray him as the best over judge maumela. that on its got into him
That's what I was saying all along more special for the three accused whom were never seen by the witness or evidence placing them on the scene. The defense of three accused should be simple and straightforward " did you see the accused on the scene or outside if the answer is no therefore no further question should be. The state will explain why did they arrest em simple.
It is true there were intruders but an intruder came in wasLongwe who came around 4or 5 pm .Please set these guys free and deal with the Khumalos.Guys be firm families are affected. Tell the truth.
What the judge is telling the defence is that he has seen that there were no inruders in the house but its no him to say that, I remember the defence lawyer with bears once told the prevous witness that there were no intruders in the house
Thank u Mr Judge, the attorneys should be focused on proving that their clients were not present on that particular day not the "sounds of the shots" "the colour of the gun" etc we even get confused whos the defense lawyer and whos de prosecutor cause they all asking de same questions
This case is moving at the fast pace people are going to jail here the truth will come out soon. Games are over now this judge his brilliant super super
No witness mentioned intruders in the house😅 all the people that were in the house must be arrested shame for murder/common purpose for those who did not pull the trigger
The judge is slowly opening the door to the introduction of the "dismissed" second parallel docket/investigation, which allegedly says the people in the house know what happened and a cover up was concocted..
Sad I was waiting for that.The inconsistencies of the description of the intruders tell us there were no intruders.These lawyers must watch American live cases.
I said this frm day one..... This case would hv been done long ago cz iv always said lawyers jst waste clients money by time adjournments/remands. Uv proven lack of case study tnx judge Ratha😂uv proved us cz TT and Teffo baya apha kufele ithole...facts uv shown them flames
This judge wrong. If my client was not there, he cannot say there were no intruders there, how can he possible know? The defense only has to prove that his client was not there and knows nothing about that. They cannot know any fact to what happened there
The very same clients are the ones the khumalos are accusing of being the intruders.. so if these clients weren’t there then that means there we no intruders in that house.. your statement would be somehow to the point if the khumalos didn’t describe the intruders to be the clients in court.
@@nyikonyiko6268 Your conclusion does not follow from the premise. If these people were not there it means they were not there.. just that. As the accused or the representative I cannot know whether there was someone there or not, it is not my business to tell.
@@AkaliciousZA i agree with you, however I think the judge is trying to hit two birds with one stone, he wants the lawyers to fight harder in order to expose the khumalos that they are responsible for the death of Meyiwa. Remember if the accused are freed, the khumalos will keep saying they are victims, now new docket and investigation will take place and we all know it’s going to be a waste of time.
To me i think the lawyers are trying to prove to Lorraine what is saying its lie by telling her some points... Lawyer's might not think the way the judge thinks....but b4 this judge some of the advocates did say i put it to you..
Thanks Mr Ratha you are actually assisting Senzo the whole country to get truths we are tired of Khumalo and Twala
We are going somewhere with this judge kudos 👏 😂❤❤❤
This judge he knows he job
true
No
Judge,nccc c c. Vv
That is what you call A Judge. Telling them like it is.
True but the quality of attorneys questionable😛
Only mr teffo got guts to tell them face to face that no intruder's cme into the house, so n so shot senzo meyiwa,, that was a right person to solve ds matter,, that's y they arrested him right in side de court y he knw lot of information about this case,, n whn he cmes back again they ddnt allow him to be in de court room either being a layer of sfiso meyiwa,, the reason is that,, he got evrything... For now our hope should be on mshololo,, that lady knw her story,, let's wait on Monday
Thaz not how law is practiced
Proud to say My Lord to Judge Ratha. He was also a Kaiser Chiefs and Pirates player. He helped establish Kaiser Chiefs. Great judge as well.
Wow that's good. It means as a football lover he would definitely want justice to be served.
I wish you could've seen them (Ratha, Luvo, Juda Duiker and others) playing for University of Fort Hare football team in the early 70s.
@daysmandulo8939 . It's amazing how we got a judge with this background. I wish we get justice since atleast the judge loves soccer. He probably has an interest in the case & that's good.
He knows the rules of the game since he was a player!He knows time wasting tactics that is why he lectures the defense!People want the truth and they must understand there are many witnesses in this case that is why the judge doesn't want time wasting!
@@josiahmanganyi6917. Brilliant point.
Finally a competent judge, Senzo's case has been running for too long with this puzzle. Let's get to the meat
Mr Ratha I realy respect you as human being you are a great teacher of NPA i realy thanks Mr Ramaphosa to bring you to this court
Yhooo that is discipline we want you are neutral
Discipline of the highest level😂
He's teaching them how to do their work ,big up Ntate Ratha
Crack the whip Mr Judge! We’ve been so used and conditioned to mediocrity we’ve actually grown numb to it. The wheels are starting to turn finally. Khuluma spirit sikaSenzo🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Judge doesn't want to sit there all year long listening to irrelevant pieces of information.
True
True...The defense attorney are weak.
the previous judge allowed this nonsense
We was this judge in the past 8 years😭😭😭. Am so glad that the case has been passed to him❤️
Thanks babaz jaji,thanks
Great Judge. He is stopping the unnecessary delays.
Thanks Mr.Judge......🙏🙏🙏
What a sober minded Judge... It's like these defence lawyers are not well prepared for their case...
Thumbs up Mr judge . plz give the judge bells. Thank you lord we want justice for senzo
God is revealing his power through judge the whole world is waiting especially Meyiwa's family I wonder uthini uTeffo if bamlalela ngabe kudala laphela and umshololo unobuxokinyana akamanga noTefo wafuna ukuqgama oh well Thank you Teffo ubomesaba umuntu ongafundanga
Thank you judge. Job well done. We a moving forward.
Thank you judge
Bring Adv Teffo Back,
Combination of horn judge and adv Teffo, would take us somewhere. Thanks adv Teffo for everything.
I totally agree with you on Teffo. This other ones are more like students on attachment.
Even the judge is guiding them but it's just the same.
Teffo was doing better but he fail to control his emotions. At some certain stages Teffo want to be a lawyer and being a judge at the same time
Lol 😆 teffo what a clown.
U can call Teffo names bt we all know why he was lyk that Judge never made it easier for him so at some stage he was teaching Maumela how to do his Job
Mr Ratha his getting to the bottom of this people case I’m so happy with this progress
Finally... a judge that sees through these fong-kong Lawyers 🙄
My lord retract the words " fong-kong"
I will not say they r fong kongs,if they were not there nor entered the house,how will they know how many entered the house,judge is losing it
He must be recused as well
I take back the "fong-kong" but yoo some of them
No the judge misses the point. The defence tries to demonstrate that ma Khumalo lies about the identity of the accused by showing
conflicting statements she made.
THANX JUDGE.....we tired of listening to baseless arguments... we want constructive arguments here
Mshololo am waiting nana🎉
She is worse that one
The judge ,He’s 100% right I don’t understand how what the court is saying is confusing these advocates? You need to put it to the witness that NO INTRUDERS ENTERED THE HOUSE!
I think the judge is missing the point here.the defence is saying they were not there so now how can they put a version to say there were no intruders or how many bullets were shoot caz the accused r saying they were not there.if they accused r saying they were not there they can't dispute any thing that happened in there.
@@KM-3111I once represented an accused who also had an alibi defence and had to spend half the trial silent because I couldn't put much to the witnesses.
How does the defence say there were no intruders or how many intruders were there? The role of the defence is poke holes in the witness statement which will lead to the state not being able to prove beyond that these guys were the intruders. The state also needs to find the 'intruders' if indeed they exist. The judge is asking the defence team to bring something irrelevant to them bt important to the judge as he needs to decide if there intruders or not, did they kill the guy or it was the ppl in the house who killed the guy.NB not a law person by a citizen with interest in this case.
@@Nkunzikayihlehli you're not wrong. Defence counsel must test the state's case and put their clients version. So you can point out improbabilities in the evidence but the only time you really need to weigh in is if a witness identifies the accused as being present. Alibi defences have to be declared at the beginning of trial so the state is prepared for it. But yeah, defence doesn't have to endlessly test versions different from their client's.
in my understanding thE whole basis of Defence argument is that THEY ARE NOT INVOLVED AS IN THEY WERE NEVER THERE AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SENZOS DEATH.
so it’s important that they put it to the witness that the suspects were never there on said day/alleged suspects never intruded on that particular day ..
failure to acknowledge that or put that on record means they don’t dispute that their clients were there of which their instructions from clients is that they were never there to begin with ..
even if they stay silent they need to put it on record that their clients were never there therefore never committed the offence because if not states closing argument will say ukuthi listen , not once did defence dispute that their clients were there they only dispute they they didn’t do it meaning they were present that day , do you guys hear me?
Teffo said so there were no intruders😢😢😢
I’m not a lawyer but this Judge is a great teacher. I get what he says. Basically he says the defense should let the State prove their clients are guilty. The defense shouldn’t waste time with details of a crime scene their clients know nothing about, allegedly. So, in my opinion, all they need to focus on is discrediting the witnesses in their ability to ID their clients and discredit any physical evidence linking their clients, eg. dna or finger prints
Well articulated
𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑎𝑦𝑖𝑏𝑒𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑔𝑢𝑙𝑎, 𝑠𝑏𝑎𝑙𝑖😅
But the lawyers can't go straight to the point of " there was intruder" just like that. They must first discredit the witness testimony. To me, the judge is putting the cart before the horse
I love this Man 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾👌🏽
The principal vs teachers... 😅
Thanks to the judge for assisting them even Mshololo act as if she was going to say something different😂
True
Mshololo did put it to Tumelo 8 months ago that there were no intruders who entered the house
@@molebogengwelcomemlangeni2977❤
Mshololo was hoing tuo state it, because she said it 8months ago to Tumelo, ,and the judge must chill, it is the strategy of the lawyers i,e who ask what and they are not boring , they are educating, us . Nxumalo was getting there ,and he is going to grill this lady who is lying on Monday im looking foward to this interesting case. Senzo May you rest in Peace Baka Baka
If you followed the case from the beginning mshololo did mention it
I like this Judge .Vetri EC Komani 🙏🇿🇦🇿🇦🙏
Mshololo pls take over i trust you
I stand this judge😂😂😂❤❤
A judge with principles. No favors. This lawyer must wake up. There is no umph... from them.
The judge is missing something, the lawyers are saying even if there were intruders, these are not the ones. the other lawyer is saying the intruder was Twala
Trust me from a point of law, they have not made that case, let's remove emotions and analyse if there is anything material to exonerate the accused, so far nothing
@@suprememonokeng8011 I may be wrong, but my thinking is that the role of the defense is not to exonerate but to cast doubt on the version of the state. I agree that they failed to take certain lines of argument to their fullest. eg how did you recognize a person in a hoodie, how come you say a person is light and another person says that they are dark, you are making this story up....
Actually he is helping the defence to hit the other nails & see which one will come loose
I am not a law person but, how can they argue there was no intruder? Because whether there were intruders or not, the argument is that their clients weren't there. Just because their clients weren't there does not necessarily mean there were no intruders.
@@sphephelomabuyakhulu3327 Thats exactly where the judge is getting lost. Why go to the trouble of allerging that there were no intruders when you have never been to the place. With respect the judge unduly challenged the competence of learned and very competent counsel
Ohk teffo used to say to the witness tht l put it 2 u tht no intruders entered the house Mr Meyiwa was killed wth one of the pple who whr inside the house.
Now pple wll salute Ad teffo finish
This is a judge! 😭🫵🏻
I remember Teffo says this🤞🏾
Haai Tefo told us already that there was no intruder and Mshololo is yet to grill mrs I am having chest pains and the black mamba was really heading there my Lord. He was actually saying Longwe was the intruder from how I understood his way of questioning.
Absolute true , he was getting there, Mr Mokgoatlheng please be patirnt and give Mr Nxumalo a chance to finish ,( Ke strategy Rrra )they dont want to repeat , we are getting there, just be patient. We really need to hear these conflictung evidences these witnesses comes about,
😂😂😂😂
Relevant questions by the Judge. Practitioners are wasting precious time. Just cross examine in line with client's instructions. If one's client is not implicated leave that State witness.
I'm astounded at the line of questioning from defense lawyers.. even people in comment sections and twitter are posing more probing questions . Sad , if this is the reason why innocent people find themselves in prison because of a weak defense
Unless they're guilty!
I agree with u, these defence lawyers are all over the place n sometimes one wonders how their line of questioning is going to help assist the court... So irrelevant as if they didn't prepare or they simply do not know what to put forward to prove to the court that the state doesn't hv a case against their clients... So sad n feel for their clients...
So average these lawyers maan
They are so boring and incompetent
Teffo ❤ inkunzi yabatshela nje ukuth akungenanga muntu laphaya nayithuka ingqwele nathi iyaphapha buka manje 😂😂😂
Buya Teffo buya baba
Heee uteffo wabukwa njengomuntu ogula ngekhanda buka manje
U Teffo is an express sharp sharp Mbombela train! Uyachesa Kahle kahle, njenga amakwinya?
Let's wait for advocate Moshololo,she is the only interesting advocate in the house so far
Listening skill to everything 👌
Thumbs up to the judge
The standard and level of advocate is rather disappointing
It needs Malisela Tifor
Thank you Judge ( what is the case about?)amen
Adv Teffo did say in court that there was no intruder. I hope Adv Mshololo does a better job.
Yes he did say so. I remember very well
@@Hubert677i actually c this is getting the job done...its long tht these guys hv been arrested wth this dilly dally. Being a advocate bt cnt gt to the crux is signs of weakness....these guys r being paid by our taxes(legal aid) cz of the restart...imagine hw mch the accused families already lost in this ongoings...
@@Hubert677 Because instead of going to Durban from Johannesburg they go to Polokwane thus wasting six hours!In other words the judge is telling the defense that they are the ones who are making this case to move!Remember all those witnesses who are going to be called and the postponement that are to come!
And TT
Let's hope she does..She is the only hope here..
Teffo, Teffo where are u?
Well said Judge
Good for him! This case drags on and on...money money
judge 🔥🔥🔥
Bring Tefo
Tefo was right about all of this game n this advocates are scared of asking investigate questions or being rude as examiner.
Advocate TeffO where r u:-*🌍😱
Good
Take them back to Law School, these lawyers are weak yerr
If this Judge was there in the first place, instead of the other one, this case could have long been solved.
2:36 Teffo has already said that my lord.
Me too,but the case started de novo, afresh,whatever we said not considered, I think judge did watch when I was doing the case
@@timothytshepothobane915 this case is a home run now by the way the judge has put it for u guys .it’s evident that zandi is talking bs ,she’s been told to be arrogant yet try to be smart yet she’s so dumb.
@@timothytshepothobane915 I remember and you did ask that they be discharged
Experience matters🎉🎉
But my lord my client was not there but in terms of intruders I wouldn’t comment but I can certainly confirm that my client wasn’t there and my client has an alibi to confirm
That (how would I do as a lawyer) ratings bafethu 🤔
Great, this gives us some direction and encouragement 🙏
We need Tefo in this case, he was going to say, I put it to you that
Mshololo has advantage of comming when all the chase has beeen cut...
This judge he knows he job
Wow😊
Former Kaizer Chiefs legend. Soccer players should note that you can transition the soccer filed to be an esteemed judge.
He Is Also a Former Orlando Pirates Player.
@@lindzimcolzwane6761 Who?
@@lungelomajola7522 I thought we were talking about the Presiding Judge of this Trial whose Name is Ratha" Jimmy Greaves" Mokgoatheng who is a Former Kaizer Chiefs and Orlando Pirates. Sorry for misdirection my answer.My Apologies
I think teffo deserves another shot on this case, wherever he is he is proud about these proceedings under this judge.
The judge is good coz these people must tell zandi as it is.. But they are scared
The Judge is going into the arena,if accused say they were not there nor went into the house,so they will not know if there were two ppl or not
The judge is forgetting that he is just a referee.he cannot dictate to counsel how they should cross-examine the witness. he should atleast exercise patience and understand that these gentlemen are proving zandile's dishonesty and flaws in her statements.she keeps on contradicting herself. Is he trying to give the public an impression that the counsel is not good enough? I think he should learn to think out of the box. we should know the meaning of inferences.
He is the one who will delay the case. I also think that the counsel are scared of him that is why they are unable to stand their ground. the reason for that is the media because they portray him as the best over judge maumela. that on its got into him
That's what I was saying all along more special for the three accused whom were never seen by the witness or evidence placing them on the scene. The defense of three accused should be simple and straightforward " did you see the accused on the scene or outside if the answer is no therefore no further question should be. The state will explain why did they arrest em simple.
It is true there were intruders but an intruder came in wasLongwe who came around 4or 5 pm .Please set these guys free and deal with the Khumalos.Guys be firm families are affected. Tell the truth.
No intruders
What the judge is telling the defence is that he has seen that there were no inruders in the house but its no him to say that, I remember the defence lawyer with bears once told the prevous witness that there were no intruders in the house
sober as a judge
Thank u Mr Judge, the attorneys should be focused on proving that their clients were not present on that particular day not the "sounds of the shots" "the colour of the gun" etc we even get confused whos the defense lawyer and whos de prosecutor cause they all asking de same questions
been thinkin the same all the time....fact is Senzo was shot......
We are tired now pls,,we need ,,answer ,,,
Newzroom sound engineer needs to be told that the audio is way too low on these recent videos @Newzroom
Baloyi is quiet NOW 😂
Yhaa ne Mr Ratha😂👏
we going round circles
This case is moving at the fast pace people are going to jail here the truth will come out soon. Games are over now this judge his brilliant super super
“What is this court about actually?” 😭😭
case about
The judge knows that there was not intruders, means he know it's Zandi and Kelly
Exactly my point, you can hear from he's comments
No witness mentioned intruders in the house😅 all the people that were in the house must be arrested shame for murder/common purpose for those who did not pull the trigger
It shows that he is been following this case it doesnt make sense ukuthi there were no intruders
If this case was in another country it couldn't have been solved or justice perhaps have been served
The judge is slowly opening the door to the introduction of the "dismissed" second parallel docket/investigation, which allegedly says the people in the house know what happened and a cover up was concocted..
I’m also of the view that there were no intruders, that’s why it’s hard to describe them coz they were not there in the first place
The lawyers please, I don't get them properly asking the witness,is like they did not finish their law studies properly.
Ziyakhala 🤞
30% pass.
Wow Judge
Sad I was waiting for that.The inconsistencies of the description of the intruders tell us there were no intruders.These lawyers must watch American live cases.
Why is the Judge getting himself entangled in defence, telling the defense lawyers what type of questions to ask? Is this even lawful??
And the lawyers aren't taking us anywhere with one question being posed for hours instead of flowing with questions
Long live Teff
I can only cry when i listen to this ineptitude 😢😮
I said this frm day one..... This case would hv been done long ago cz iv always said lawyers jst waste clients money by time adjournments/remands. Uv proven lack of case study tnx judge Ratha😂uv proved us cz TT and Teffo baya apha kufele ithole...facts uv shown them flames
English doesn't love these lawyers
Wisdom
This judge wrong. If my client was not there, he cannot say there were no intruders there, how can he possible know?
The defense only has to prove that his client was not there and knows nothing about that.
They cannot know any fact to what happened there
The very same clients are the ones the khumalos are accusing of being the intruders.. so if these clients weren’t there then that means there we no intruders in that house.. your statement would be somehow to the point if the khumalos didn’t describe the intruders to be the clients in court.
@@nyikonyiko6268 Your conclusion does not follow from the premise. If these people were not there it means they were not there.. just that. As the accused or the representative I cannot know whether there was someone there or not, it is not my business to tell.
@@AkaliciousZA i agree with you, however I think the judge is trying to hit two birds with one stone, he wants the lawyers to fight harder in order to expose the khumalos that they are responsible for the death of Meyiwa. Remember if the accused are freed, the khumalos will keep saying they are victims, now new docket and investigation will take place and we all know it’s going to be a waste of time.
How about this sequence of interrogation? That is: A Hypothesis leads to a Theory, and, on proof becomes a Fact? This trial may try that approach?
Are we allowed to give judges a Bells? But he deserves a glass.
He won't be as sober as a judge, but as drunk as Judge Mothata
To me i think the lawyers are trying to prove to Lorraine what is saying its lie by telling her some points...
Lawyer's might not think the way the judge thinks....but b4 this judge some of the advocates did say i put it to you..