I am 73 years old and have been using the Svea 123r since the 1960's. I figured out a neat way to start it. Just tear off a small piece of paper towel, toilet paper will not work. Roll it long ways between your fingers. Then open the fuel cap and dip the rolled paper towel into the ful and let it soak up some gas. Put the rolled paper towel in the preheating cup, being careful not to let it get near the fuel cap so you don't burn the o ring. Jut light it and open the vaqlve when it gets hot. That way you don't have fuel running down the outside of the stove.
Have you ever tried the warm it with your hands method? Open and close the fuel cap to equalize the pressure, wrap your hands around the stove or put it under your coat for a few seconds to warm the brass a few degrees, set it down and quickly open the valve. Fuel will dribble from the jet and automatically drain into the priming cup. Close the valve and light at the burner. The priming pan will catch immediately. Works great! Though I still prefer to use alcohol for less sooting.
During my time in the army as a light infantryman, I carried a 400A in the field. During the time, I never had any problems with it. And that included using it for myself, and a good share of the time, for my squad and platoon. Very good and durable little stove. Highly recommended.
2 great stoves, but you are completely bypassing one of Coleman's best features. The engineering marvel that is instant lighting. If you follow the directions on the stove which are printed on the side, you pump it up, turn it on high and light it and it's ready to cook on in seconds. You are flooding the generator and taking much more time to warm up when you try to baby the flame during start up. I know it sounds counter intuitive, but going on high for lighting passes air down the fuel pickup tube and atomizes the fuel like a carburetor. Going on low just sends liquid into the generator. Once the generator is hot, back pressure stops the atomization process and you give the stove a few pumps to replenish the air expended in the lighting process. I'm no keyboard critic on this subject. I own about 100 single burner stoves including both of these. I did over 21 years in Field Artillery and cooked a LOT of meals and coffee on just about all of them. Give the instructions a try and see what you think. Both stoves are great. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the information . I have been thinking about that Coleman model even though it does weighs more that the Svea 123.. You say you own about 100 single burner stoves .. Are the the same make and model ? I see the excellent Optimus 8R is now hard to find , couple on Ebay.. That model was made with a built in tank pump with slightly larger size tank, don't think it's built anymore as i found nothing about it ...
In the hopes you'll ever read this, which (kerosene, not gas/diesel) stove trumps them all in regards of durability, easy of maintenance, easy finding of spare parts and ease of use in your years of collecting and experience?
Coleman shat on us using plastic for their Peak1 Apex stove pump assembly. (cracked after twenty years, simple as a turkey tail fungi forms) I don't want a MSR nor Optimus. I want my Apex back up, US made. Coleman lantern: who knew the tube going up between the ash lamps was how worked, let alone re-pump after lit? (ten hours after forgetting to shut it down was cwazy of early adjustable) ~~ Ash lamps? Why wouldn't the brass filter/screen that works on my coffee filter as them ash jobs? Melting? 1650° sounds warm. $$$$ ? ~ When back in the seventies ya half ran over your cooler and still using it. Could be a Coleman steel top. Surely I've lost my marbles... for Chinese checkers. ~ Hand on heart Stanley wholly remains US made if so. I've seen Stanley thermoses as yard art. All I gots is a couple old screw drivers.
These are both good stoves. I favor the Colemans because they are much quieter, and much faster to start... and the commonly-needed parts are readily available if you have a 442 or 533 or 400B.
Very informative. I love these old stoves. If I'm backpacking, the SEVA is by far the better stove. Back in the day, no serious backpacker would consider the coleman, There is no comparison between the two for that purpose. Although I knew people that lugged the coleman around because it was the more affordable by a big difference. And people that say the SVEA is bad in the winter don't know what they are talking about. They were used on summits all over the world. What's funny is that the 123 is still in production at a price point that is still reasonable and the coleman is mostly a high priced "vintage" item on ebay. However, If I'm car camping, then the coleman make more sense because I may want to actually cook something as opposed to doing a freeze dried meal and the burner control is better. Both good stoves though. I was surprised that the SVEA kept up with the much bigger coleman in the boil time. Also, the SVEA does have an optional pump to help with priming.
That model Coleman i do not own but it's a good test and you did well .. My Svea 123 is now 55-56 years old now and i still use it , the hotter the fuel tank gets the higher the pressure in the tank .. The Svea is a good performer and i have compared it along side my Simmerlite , Dragonfly and XGK for measured cold water and same size pots .. Very interesting results .. 55 minutes burn time with a full tank with the Svea even @ 5,000 plus feet of altitude , i have cooked off it for a lot of years now .. It's a bit unstable with it's smaller base on uneven ground so i carry an old lic. plate to give it more surface.. I'm quite sure i will never wear out my Svea 123 , just one fuel cap in those years .. well done..
You point out a good point that I like about the Coleman. The larger heat dispersal area cooks more evenly. With the jet boil type burners, you have to raise the pan higher to get the heat to disperse over the entire bottom of the pan. Boiling water is a good test for heat output, but the real test is in the cooking and how even it cooks. I have a 533 and a 3-burner 426D liquid fuel stoves. I've had the 3-burner since the early 1970s. Works flawlessly.
I know this is an old video, but figured I'd chime in! lol I believe the Svea was showing signs of a low boil earlier due to the concentration of the "jet" flame vs the Coleman's more spread out bloom. But, the actual heat output seems to be almost equal. That being said, I can't help but notice the larger diameter of the Coleman burner. That would, in my experience, give you the ability to actually cook something besides water! LOL So many burners I have are so concentrated, the hot spot they create makes them near useless for anything except boiling water. Thanks for taking the time to share you're experiment! Both stoves are pretty freggin' cool.
I’ve had my Peak I- 400 stove since 1979. It has been a very reliable stove in different weather conditions. For a time that stove had been in storage, however it lit the first time when started up again. I have backpacker friends that have used the Svea 123 stove & have been satisfied with the performance. I have also used the Optimus 111 stove prior to when the pump was available. That stove was a workhorse but on the heavy side. The Hank Roberts stove (clam shell- fold up shirt pocket carry) in the 1970s, was the first canister type stove I had used on a backpack trip in NH White Mountains.
The 123 is a time tested beast, sounds like a beast at 7:30 am in the woods... I get the looks from other campers waking up. I remember when Walmart discontinued the 400, i was in the sporting department and they had a shopping basket full of new in the box marked down to $11.00!! If i knew then what i know now.
I have a ORIGINAL 1953 SVEA 123R. The one with the slanted valve adjustment housing. I bought some brasso and polished it up. Took it apart, cleaned it, had to replace a few parts that were easy to find on ebay.....NOTHING COMPARES TO THIS STOVE. I DONT CARE WHAT YOU GOT. NOTHING BEATS THIS STOVE AND THIS ONE, WAS IN THE KOREAN WAR.
@@MARKIEBANUNCE :: That model is the only one I'll buy and keep.. Have like 10 or more. The R model was not that great with all the extra self cleaning brass going on. I'll still buy them to sell.
Great comparison, as I've got both, ..... I normally choose the smaller Svea with the Motorbike, and the Coleman with the camper van. I don't know if anyone's mentioned it in the comments, but Svea are ( were) made in Sweden, not Switzerland. It seems a common confusion to those not familiar with Europe. If you ever test chocolate or watches, Switzerland is where it's at!
Super video. I love it. Two classic backpacking stoves side by side for a race to the boil! Who started the water boil races as a way to compare stoves anyway? I know it is ageless, but it doesn't really prove much of importance in my opinion. I have owned and used both stoves for decades. The Coleman is a much more versatile cooking tool because the flame is so perfectly controllable; better than some home ranges. The SVEA is smaller, but the intense focused flame makes it difficult to do anything except boil water, especially if you are using stainless steel or aluminum pots. Also, the pressure pump on the Coleman is so much more reliable and convenient than the fuel dish primer on the SVEA. In cold weather, you have to re-prime the SVEA tank usually by pouring spoonfuls of fuel on the lighted stove creating a fireball If all you plan to do is boil water the SVEA is a nice, compact, reliable stove. With the Coleman, however, you can have every flame range from full throttle to slow simmer and can really do some fine cooking.
Have to say from experience I prefer the Swedish cooker, we were issued the Number 8, a military version for Norway [in a Stronger steel box], nice and steady heat after pre heating with a tablet. The Coleman, would often flare up and have to be thrown out of a tent to stop it burning it down. Lots of pumping, and washer problems. I bought one from a P.X. and it's never worked reliably.
A solid tie. I would love to find a good Coleman but I have been using a Svea for 35 years so I’m well outfitted. You can use a trivet to get more even heat with the Svea to cook bacon and eggs for breakfast.
Great demonstration, I'm just getting started camping. After a year in the jungles as a grunt in the RVN, and retiring as a 1SGT in armor. My idea of camping has been the Holliday Inn, but I'm thinking about spending some time in the woods again.
I have a Coleman Sporster 533, slightly larger tank, heavier, but the same burner. My brother has a SVEA 123. Both great stoves! The Coleman is a much more modern design and lights instantly (blmeflmm66 describes it exactly right). The SVEA's design is derived from the classic Primus paraffin (kerosene) stoves from the end of the 19th century and is practically bombproof! The burner is of the aptly named "roarer" type and has to be preheated to light. I would thoroughly recommend either.
I got svea 123 at a yard sale a couple days ago for a dollar fifty it was complete in the original box with no accessory pump. I didn't have any naphtha or white gas so I use unleaded and a thing works great when I tested it to boil water.
+JIUJITSU2000 you bet when I saw it I didn't know exactly what kind of stove at was but when I looked it up on my phone I saw what a great little product it is. and yes I find some super duper awesome deals yard sales Rock!
Agree, both great stoves. Love the video. Coleman has feet that extend out (not shown in video) that make it more stable and easier to level. You can also run the Coleman dry without damaging it because it has no wick and it works better in extreme cold thanks to it's pump, or where you need long run times for melting snow, because of it's larger fuel tank. The Svea has almost nothing that can go wrong with it apart from running it dry, or leaving automobile gas in it until it turns to varnish. It's lighter, and needs to be protected from the wind. (The Coleman pot stands offer significant wind protection.) SVEA is prettier, IMO, and has a reassuring sound. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder. My choice for solo or small group day hikes is an Optimus 8R, which is slower, and heavier, but convenient. Or for large groups, a Coleman 550 which is faster, super stable, and has a wind screen available.
Both have pros and cons. Both great stoves. The older Coleman 400 that has a lever to simmer is a way better stove for simmering but the generators are no longer made. The svea has fewer things that can go wrong. No pump and checkvalve to worry about. The vaporizer is easy to clean. It’s almost all brass except for the key and pot supports. I have some old 1950’s svea 123 that still are running like new! I have lots of Coleman 400 series and they are a lot quieter. Wider flame and good for real cooking. I can cook pancakes on my svea no problem. Same with the Coleman. Personal preference is svea. I sold all my svea 123r and only have about a dozen of the older svea. Don’t get me wrong. Coleman makes excellent stuff. Their checkvalve is hands down the best out there. But for simplicity the svea is my choice!
Two great models! I'm many are here thinking about all the adventures they have taken these stoves on LOL. I don't either of them but always wanted one. Bought an XGK first generation when MSR brought them out LOL, 29 years old and still raging. I'm subbing too.
I own a lot of Coleman stuff. To me Coleman, was the Browning of Heat and Light. I constantly marvel at the simple, effective and inexpensive solutions Coleman devised. Nothing extraneous, no frills, but at the same time, built like a tank.
I have the Coleman which has been a great stove for motorcycle adventure camping, however, if only some one would make a cup and pot set that would fit over the Coleman would make it much better, I believe the Svea is smaller and you can get off the shelf hiking pot and cup sets that fit over the stove. Best thing about petrol stoves are so cheap to run and fuel is available anywhere....fill the motorcycle and fill your 500mil fuel container at the same time. They are also great around the camp on a cold day with it running between your legs....nice and warm.
I've done this ,too. It does help to keep the generator clean. BTW if you use coleman fuel, or any other of that type , put 1/2 cup of gumout in the container and mix with fuel. It helps to keep your stove burning clean.
The 123 takes way longer to pre heat! Now take them outside and try lighting then in the cold ( I have both ) the Coleman will light way Easyer than the svea you need to practise practise to be able to light the svea in the cold they can be a real dog if it's very cold but it's good once going
I loved my svea stove... I used it about forty years... keeping the orfice in the correct size, and clean is important. Especially after using any off type fuel... but that is the neat thing it burnes just about anything.
I would have bet money that the Coleman would have performed better...but I was routing for the Svea and lo and behold, the old school kept right up and that is very impressive...you just can't improve old school that works like the wheel. I'm saving up for a Svea 123r that I hope will cook me a lot of meals...but not quietly...lol
Apples and oranges. The svea especially with the nested stainless cook set has a built in wind screen and is very rugged and not too heavy. I’ve used it with Coleman white gas and back packed and self contained kayaked all over with it. The Coleman stove is more suited to car camping. I wouldn’t want to drag it around.
Ok I have a question... so they seemed to finish about same time... but how long did it take to get the 123 up to full pressure? In practice it would be a waste of heavy fuel to let the stove ramp up all the way like that before cooking. I bet the 400 would've hotter faster if that makes sense. Don't get me wrong, I have a bunch of the 123s and I love them!
I agree and I own and love both of these stoves. But if you light the Coleman per the instructions that are printed on the side of the stove, even if you include the pumping, you should be cooking in under 30 seconds at full power. With a quick 2 cup boil you'd be done on the Coleman before the Svea got to full power. I love the Svea. It's just not fast. But how cool is the self pressurizing design? Very cool, is the correct answer. Haha!
Great stoves, but my soto windmaster Gas stove is much much quicker and much less faff. But for reliability, adaptability (travelling in 3rd world countries) and just watching it .... its a talking point!! The Svea 123r wins for me, it's beautiful, got personality, and I'm gonna get one.
i have used a can lid as a simmer ring on the SVEA...works good to cook eggs, which is next to impossible without one. A Forever stove. I switched to a Peak1 576 because of the noise.
Just to show the size, let me put a glass of Bacardi 151 near the flame...just busting balls - I have both stoves, and this is a great shoot out! Personally I think the Svea is hotter and easier, and the Coleman is more stable with big pots due to the folding legs.
Coleman to me has been tried and true I was lucky to get one at the garage sale with a zip case (400b) And the guy threw in i aluminum bottle with fuel And the square box of fuel $10 He had a few other really good deals on camping stuff One was a HD canvas tent for 5 with a flap for a wood stove I want to say min army grade but better $100 I did not have the money But i knew it would be sold by the time i did lol
The Svea had the Coleman beat. It started boiling faster. If you can get a pump filler cap and pump for a reasonable price, it makes a perfect stove a couple notches better. That way you can use it easier in cold weather.
Viewed from USA, they are the same 😊, but you're right, for sure... This said, Primus is actually owned by a swiss company (Katadyn), and the SVEA 123R are made in a Far East country, today, not any more in Sweden :-(
@@dphillips4351 Mine is 2 years old and has "SWEDEN" engraved on it, the old fashion. But I cannot find any origin indication on it nor on its package. It's known that there are actually made in a Far East country.
@@idahosixgun5601 OK for the quality, but it is almost impossible to find an old one :-) I bought mine (new) 3 years ago, and it says "SWEDEN" on the tank. Not "made in Sweden", only "Sweden". Hence it can be confusing. Mine is Taiwan made, of course. The main and obvious difference between Sweden and Taiwan made is the valve angle with the jet body: older ones had a slight slope downwards, as the modern ones have a 90° angle.
The SVEA123 really should have the accessory mini-pump and special cap. On a cold day they are a PIA to get going unless you have some fibre glass wick wrapped around the valve stem to soak with alcohol. Using gasoline to prime with is a filthy business. I use white gas only, to much c**p in pump gasoline. Stability can be an issue, as the SVEA really is very small. OIt was meant to be used with it's own tiny pan. The SVEA looks like a descendant of a German Jewel 33 from WW2 era.
NJPurling Use a straw or plastic tube to fill the cup with naphtha from the tank. Replace the cap and set it on fire. I find this works much better than alcohol or fire paste. I leave the pump at home now.
I carry an old nasal spray bottle that holds maybe 2oz with the dip tube removed to squirt alcohol into the burner bell. It will automatically drain into the priming pan. I've used it like that for decades in all kinds of weather and never had any issues getting them fired up. They DO take time to get up to speed in the cold though. I got impatient one time and doused it in alcohol when it was close to zero F. Worked great....haha. Not recommending that method, but it worked. It helps to shield as much wind as possible and not set it on wet or frozen ground that acts as a heat sink.
Again great job on repair, I see you have folded the feet under to keep the stove level. If you ever get a hold of Biolite wood burning stove please post video on that. My kids were wanted to get me one but I thought the price was too high at the time.
On the Coleman stove you forgot to unfold the legs, and you should use a preheating jell to preheat your fuel. Also the Coleman is a what I like to call a real "chef's" stove due to how easy it is to adjust the flame, and how stable it is, when you have the legs unfolded.
+James Hart I didn't forget to unfold the legs, just chose not to. Thank you! I appreciate you stopping by and showing your support. Have a beautiful evening!
The pre-heating gel is used for kerosene fuel and maybe in extremely cold conditions for propane fuels. I've never had trouble with my liquid fuel stove.
No preheat necessary with white gas on the Coleman if you light it like the instructions on the side of the stove tell you to. Everybody seems to think they're smarter than the Coleman engineers or they're just scared of the stoves. If you pump it up, light your match/lighter, hold it to the burner, and open the valve to the LIGHT position and leave it there, you're cooking in 10 to 15 seconds. As soon as it lights, you should add more pumps. All that is printed clearly on the side of the stove. But nobody reads anymore.
Have you had any issues running the Svea off regular unleaded petrol? Was looking at one for motorbike travels because you have an endless supply of petrol, especially for when you are in extreme remote areas. The Svea manual says 'unleaded gasoline but not Car petrol', now I think that's because these things were made decades ago when petrol was much dirtier, Ive emailed Optimus and asked them to clarify but haven't had a reply. So just wondered what your longterm experience is with regular vehicle unleaded petrol. Thanks I have bought a Soto Muka to use for now, but would love to get a little Svea, think there's not much to wrong with them. I had a Peak multi fuel years ago in the early 90s, they were very popular in the British Army, better and quicker than using the issued Hexamaine fuel tablets, but it's just that warming up phase which seems to take forever, the Svea, out of these 2 is clearly way quicker overall to get a boil going. Many thanks from a very cold England!
Hello I had a question for you. First of all, love the comparison video enjoyed it very very much. basically my question is, do you know what the difference between the Coleman 533 dual fuel single burner stove is compared to the feather 400 Coleman peak 1? I have the 533 dual fuel and have been looking at the feather 400 and was just wondering what the difference is if there is any at all? Thank you very much and get back to you when you get this keep up the great videos and thanks again
The major difference is in the diameter of the fount (tank) and in the weight. The burners are almost identical. The 533 is about a half-pound heavier than the 400B/442 stoves, but the fount holds about 50% more fuel. IMO the 533 makes a great car- or motorcycle camping stove, and a great emergency stove for when you lose power, but I'd go with a 442 or 550B (the lightest modern integral Coleman single burner stove). The 550B is the lightest but is not as rugged/bump resistant. The 400B/442 is IMO the best combination... it is my moto camping and day hiking stove, with a 550B when I want to travel as light as I can.
@@johnclifford1911 thank you very much for the reply. I really appreciate it so basically in your opinion if I had to have a single burner stove the most rugged and reliable not worrying about weight would be the five three three? Let me know when you get this thanks for everything
@@lessstuffmorefreedom-livin6886 I think the 400-series as well as the 533 (which is really the 400-series burner with the larger fount/tank) are equally rugged, and any of these would be fine. You can buy brand-new 533s from Amazon for $70... that's hard to beat. Really, the only Coleman stoves I've seen that are beaten up look like they were tossed in the back of a pickup truck and bounced around the bed for a while when driven over a bumpy road... and they still work, the aluminum windshield for the burner just gets beat to crap. Take care of any of these and they will likely outlast you.
ive used my 400A at -30. Takes a little bit longer to heat the generator but after that its like using it at 70 deg. I pour a little Gas on top of the Stove and light it, just to get the generator warm, before i pressurize the tank. Its saved my ass a number of times in the Northern Boreal.
@@jiujitsu2000 I'm a stovie and probably own 20 different models, BUT I'm a bit ashamed to say that I don't own a Svea. I have to admit they kind of scare me a bit! I wonder how often these things have gone off with a bang? Thank you!
@@kenneth6731 Not at all. The fuel cap has a safety valve in it to vent if the pressure gets too high. As long as you don't use too big of a pot and/or use a separate poorly positioned wind screen that reflects too much heat back on the stove you're fine. Keep in mind that the whole stove gets way too hot to touch after several minutes of running on high.
Hi my friend. Just to knowledge. That kind of test will not be fair if the two of stoves can't deliver the same amount of "calories" (I'd prefer energy) to the same amount of water, at a given time... Cheers.
If you're using a stove outdoors without a bringing a separate windscreen, you're either crazy, inexperienced, or just stupid. They're both OK in light wind. The Svea at full power shoot the flames up a bit more, but the cross pot supports do pretty well on 3 out of the 4 segments. The windward segment, not so great. So you need a windscreen in wind with either stove or you'll take forever and waste a lot of fuel.
@@mikemorgan5015 actually the coleman has hundreds. The svea has only 1 jet like a main jet in a carburetor. Maybe you should look before you call people stupid. The svea's fuel jet is hidden under the diffuser hence more windproof.
@@βιζζγΚιδ Dude I've taken hundreds of these stoves apart. BOTH KINDS. Nothing is "hidden". The jet on the Coleman is at the end of the generator spraying into the mixing chamber/bunsen LIKE A MAIN JET IN A CARBURETOR. The jet on the svea is shooting straight up to the impingement plate. If you are equating the flame pattern from the alternating smooth and corrugated burner rings with the actual jets/gas tips on these stove well I just think you'll find youself alone there. But you do you. This isn't worth my time anymore.
oh okay so there's not a huge difference is between the two at all? I know they look fairly different one looks higher than the other I just didn't know if they performed that much different in your opinion
One other question how much fuel do they burn, as this is a very practical question for back packers or any other end user. You are always limited by fuel carried.
They are more durable than they look. I packed these in the Army for over 20 years and it got dropped, smashed, dented, rained on, fell in mud and more. Still works today and never had to replace any thing but the generator. Everything else was bent back in shape with a pair of pliers. Still runs like new today. All I had for a case was the padded stuff sack it came with, though I did start using a metal coffee can to stuff it in occasionally, sack and all.
@@mikemorgan5015 I truly believe what you say, just saying you did have to "bend things back in shape" occasionally which indeed is a plus for a Coleman and a little surprised you didn't get ahold of one of the surplus GI stoves to use as they are even more durable. I can't really talk expertly as I pretty much made do with heat tabs or Sterno most of my time.
@@Vladviking I used and Esbit folding tablet stove for a year before I bought my first "real" single burner stove. The I saw an infantry dude who was supporting using GI compressed hexamine tablets. I could get all I wanted of that for free. Didn't burn as clean as the esbit tabs, but both were pretty nasty with the fumes and cup residue. I honestly can't remember which one I got first, a 550b or 400 in 1989-90. I too didn't read instructions back then and had many flare ups that I'm certain could be seen from space. I'm not sure which GI stove you speak of, but, I ordered an M1950 through supply and it actually came in. The supply sergeant liked it so he stole it. I ordered another and he "let" me have it. Works ok, but not as quiet or powerful as two I had. Now I have a lot. You are right, the M1950 is more durable, but it's also tall and heavy. Where the 1950 scrugs off dents, the 550b uses crumple zones to absorb impact like a modern car. Haha!
I find your videos informative. . thank you! I noticed your skull lid. ..if I may, which TEAM? and more thank you's than one could offer! In which state are you located?
Al Pell Thank you for the kind words and support you give my channel. I'm happy to see that my videos were helpful. I was not a team guy. Some of my friends are or were. I live in AZ. Thank you for stopping by! Have a beautiful day!
I went to the local thrift store, and saw a sigg Tourist cookset there for $1.99, it was taped up and that store will throw you out for removing the tape, they have cameras everywhere. I knew sonething was inside due to the weight. So I bought it right there, and took it out to my truck and started opening it before I got in. Svea 123r complete stove inside with a pump too! Looks like it was used once or twice many years ago, best ever thrift store find ever for me!
I am 73 years old and have been using the Svea 123r since the 1960's. I
figured out a neat way to start it. Just tear off a small piece of paper
towel, toilet paper will not work. Roll it long ways between your
fingers. Then open the fuel cap and dip the rolled paper towel into the
ful and let it soak up some gas. Put the rolled paper towel in the
preheating cup, being careful not to let it get near the fuel cap so you
don't burn the o ring. Jut light it and open the vaqlve when it gets
hot. That way you don't have fuel running down the outside of the stove.
Excellent idea, I'm going to try it!
Have you ever tried the warm it with your hands method? Open and close the fuel cap to equalize the pressure, wrap your hands around the stove or put it under your coat for a few seconds to warm the brass a few degrees, set it down and quickly open the valve. Fuel will dribble from the jet and automatically drain into the priming cup. Close the valve and light at the burner. The priming pan will catch immediately. Works great! Though I still prefer to use alcohol for less sooting.
During my time in the army as a light infantryman, I carried a 400A in the field. During the time, I never had any problems with it. And that included using it for myself, and a good share of the time, for my squad and platoon. Very good and durable little stove. Highly recommended.
2 great stoves, but you are completely bypassing one of Coleman's best features. The engineering marvel that is instant lighting. If you follow the directions on the stove which are printed on the side, you pump it up, turn it on high and light it and it's ready to cook on in seconds. You are flooding the generator and taking much more time to warm up when you try to baby the flame during start up. I know it sounds counter intuitive, but going on high for lighting passes air down the fuel pickup tube and atomizes the fuel like a carburetor. Going on low just sends liquid into the generator. Once the generator is hot, back pressure stops the atomization process and you give the stove a few pumps to replenish the air expended in the lighting process. I'm no keyboard critic on this subject. I own about 100 single burner stoves including both of these. I did over 21 years in Field Artillery and cooked a LOT of meals and coffee on just about all of them. Give the instructions a try and see what you think. Both stoves are great. Thanks for the video.
I have the Feather 400B. Got it in the late 70's. Still runs great after sitting for 20 years in the garage.
Thanks for the information . I have been thinking about that Coleman model even though it does weighs more that the Svea 123.. You say you own about 100 single burner stoves .. Are the the same make and model ? I see the excellent Optimus 8R is now hard to find , couple on Ebay.. That model was made with a built in tank pump with slightly larger size tank, don't think it's built anymore as i found nothing about it ...
In the hopes you'll ever read this, which (kerosene, not gas/diesel) stove trumps them all in regards of durability, easy of maintenance, easy finding of spare parts and ease of use in your years of collecting and experience?
Coleman shat on us using plastic for their Peak1 Apex stove pump assembly. (cracked after twenty years, simple as a turkey tail fungi forms)
I don't want a MSR nor Optimus. I want my Apex back up, US made.
Coleman lantern: who knew the tube going up between the ash lamps was how worked, let alone re-pump after lit? (ten hours after forgetting to shut it down was cwazy of early adjustable)
~~ Ash lamps? Why wouldn't the brass filter/screen that works on my coffee filter as them ash jobs? Melting? 1650° sounds warm. $$$$ ?
~ When back in the seventies ya half ran over your cooler and still using it. Could be a Coleman steel top.
Surely I've lost my marbles... for Chinese checkers.
~ Hand on heart Stanley wholly remains US made if so. I've seen Stanley thermoses as yard art.
All I gots is a couple old screw drivers.
Never mind. Ima eight years behind the times of >
These are both good stoves. I favor the Colemans because they are much quieter, and much faster to start... and the commonly-needed parts are readily available if you have a 442 or 533 or 400B.
Very informative. I love these old stoves.
If I'm backpacking, the SEVA is by far the better stove. Back in the day, no serious backpacker would consider the coleman, There is no comparison between the two for that purpose. Although I knew people that lugged the coleman around because it was the more affordable by a big difference. And people that say the SVEA is bad in the winter don't know what they are talking about. They were used on summits all over the world. What's funny is that the 123 is still in production at a price point that is still reasonable and the coleman is mostly a high priced "vintage" item on ebay.
However, If I'm car camping, then the coleman make more sense because I may want to actually cook something as opposed to doing a freeze dried meal and the burner control is better. Both good stoves though.
I was surprised that the SVEA kept up with the much bigger coleman in the boil time. Also, the SVEA does have an optional pump to help with priming.
I always enjoy your presentations. Thank you for keeping it civil, polite, and clear!
That model Coleman i do not own but it's a good test and you did well .. My Svea 123 is now 55-56 years old now and i still use it , the hotter the fuel tank gets the higher the pressure in the tank .. The Svea is a good performer and i have compared it along side my Simmerlite , Dragonfly and XGK for measured cold water and same size pots .. Very interesting results .. 55 minutes burn time with a full tank with the Svea even @ 5,000 plus feet of altitude , i have cooked off it for a lot of years now .. It's a bit unstable with it's smaller base on uneven ground so i carry an old lic. plate to give it more surface.. I'm quite sure i will never wear out my Svea 123 , just one fuel cap in those years .. well done..
You point out a good point that I like about the Coleman. The larger heat dispersal area cooks more evenly. With the jet boil type burners, you have to raise the pan higher to get the heat to disperse over the entire bottom of the pan. Boiling water is a good test for heat output, but the real test is in the cooking and how even it cooks. I have a 533 and a 3-burner 426D liquid fuel stoves. I've had the 3-burner since the early 1970s. Works flawlessly.
I know this is an old video, but figured I'd chime in! lol I believe the Svea was showing signs of a low boil earlier due to the concentration of the "jet" flame vs the Coleman's more spread out bloom. But, the actual heat output seems to be almost equal. That being said, I can't help but notice the larger diameter of the Coleman burner. That would, in my experience, give you the ability to actually cook something besides water! LOL So many burners I have are so concentrated, the hot spot they create makes them near useless for anything except boiling water. Thanks for taking the time to share you're experiment! Both stoves are pretty freggin' cool.
I’ve had my Peak I- 400 stove since 1979. It has been a very reliable stove in different weather conditions.
For a time that stove had been in storage, however it lit the first time when started up again. I have backpacker friends that have used the Svea 123 stove & have been satisfied with the performance.
I have also used the Optimus 111 stove prior to when the pump was available. That stove was a workhorse but on the heavy side.
The Hank Roberts stove (clam shell- fold up shirt pocket carry) in the 1970s, was the first canister type stove I had used on a backpack trip in NH White Mountains.
The 123 is a time tested beast, sounds like a beast at 7:30 am in the woods...
I get the looks from other campers waking up.
I remember when Walmart discontinued the 400, i was in the sporting department and they had a shopping basket full of new in the box marked down to $11.00!!
If i knew then what i know now.
I have a ORIGINAL 1953 SVEA 123R. The one with the slanted valve adjustment housing. I bought some brasso and polished it up. Took it apart, cleaned it, had to replace a few parts that were easy to find on ebay.....NOTHING COMPARES TO THIS STOVE. I DONT CARE WHAT YOU GOT. NOTHING BEATS THIS STOVE AND THIS ONE, WAS IN THE KOREAN WAR.
@@MARKIEBANUNCE :: That model is the only one I'll buy and keep.. Have like 10 or more. The R model was not that great with all the extra self cleaning brass going on. I'll still buy them to sell.
The Svea 123 is Swedish and not Swiss..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svea_123
@wyomarine sveedun?
Great comparison, as I've got both, ..... I normally choose the smaller Svea with the Motorbike, and the Coleman with the camper van. I don't know if anyone's mentioned it in the comments, but Svea are ( were) made in Sweden, not Switzerland. It seems a common confusion to those not familiar with Europe. If you ever test chocolate or watches, Switzerland is where it's at!
Super video. I love it. Two classic backpacking stoves side by side for a race to the boil! Who started the water boil races as a way to compare stoves anyway? I know it is ageless, but it doesn't really prove much of importance in my opinion. I have owned and used both stoves for decades. The Coleman is a much more versatile cooking tool because the flame is so perfectly controllable; better than some home ranges. The SVEA is smaller, but the intense focused flame makes it difficult to do anything except boil water, especially if you are using stainless steel or aluminum pots. Also, the pressure pump on the Coleman is so much more reliable and convenient than the fuel dish primer on the SVEA. In cold weather, you have to re-prime the SVEA tank usually by pouring spoonfuls of fuel on the lighted stove creating a fireball If all you plan to do is boil water the SVEA is a nice, compact, reliable stove. With the Coleman, however, you can have every flame range from full throttle to slow simmer and can really do some fine cooking.
Seems like a common trend among stoves. To get the 'stats' to sell they go away from what you'd actually use the stove for
I've had a Coleman 400A since the '80s, and have used it for casting bullets quite a few times.
Have to say from experience I prefer the Swedish cooker, we were issued the Number 8, a military version for Norway [in a Stronger steel box], nice and steady heat after pre heating with a tablet. The Coleman, would often flare up and have to be thrown out of a tent to stop it burning it down. Lots of pumping, and washer problems. I bought one from a P.X. and it's never worked reliably.
A solid tie. I would love to find a good Coleman but I have been using a Svea for 35 years so I’m well outfitted. You can use a trivet to get more even heat with the Svea to cook bacon and eggs for breakfast.
Great demonstration, I'm just getting started camping. After a year in the jungles as a grunt in the RVN, and retiring as a 1SGT in armor. My idea of camping has been the Holliday Inn, but I'm thinking about spending some time in the woods again.
+Joseph G Krestan Thank you!
Thanks mate, got my Colman dual faul stove 533 second hand for low price £19.50 in good condition 😀
I have a Coleman Sporster 533, slightly larger tank, heavier, but the same burner. My brother has a SVEA 123. Both great stoves! The Coleman is a much more modern design and lights instantly (blmeflmm66 describes it exactly right). The SVEA's design is derived from the classic Primus paraffin (kerosene) stoves from the end of the 19th century and is practically bombproof! The burner is of the aptly named "roarer" type and has to be preheated to light. I would thoroughly recommend either.
I think comparing weight, size and amount of fuel usage would also play a part in my preference for carrying either around.
I got svea 123 at a yard sale a couple days ago for a dollar fifty it was complete in the original box with no accessory pump. I didn't have any naphtha or white gas so I use unleaded and a thing works great when I tested it to boil water.
john ostendorf I'll give you $2.00 for it. LOL... Just kidding. Brotha, that's a great deal. These are awesome stoves!! Score
+JIUJITSU2000 you bet when I saw it I didn't know exactly what kind of stove at was but when I looked it up on my phone I saw what a great little product it is. and yes I find some super duper awesome deals yard sales Rock!
john ostendorf: Unleaded may work but it will choke this stove faster than anything. White gas is what it was built for.
Nice comparison and information. Video could’ve been 5 minutes shorter. I’ll be getting the Svea.
Agree, both great stoves. Love the video.
Coleman has feet that extend out (not shown in video) that make it more stable and easier to level. You can also run the Coleman dry without damaging it because it has no wick and it works better in extreme cold thanks to it's pump, or where you need long run times for melting snow, because of it's larger fuel tank.
The Svea has almost nothing that can go wrong with it apart from running it dry, or leaving automobile gas in it until it turns to varnish. It's lighter, and needs to be protected from the wind. (The Coleman pot stands offer significant wind protection.)
SVEA is prettier, IMO, and has a reassuring sound. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
My choice for solo or small group day hikes is an Optimus 8R, which is slower, and heavier, but convenient. Or for large groups, a Coleman 550 which is faster, super stable, and has a wind screen available.
Both have pros and cons. Both great stoves. The older Coleman 400 that has a lever to simmer is a way better stove for simmering but the generators are no longer made. The svea has fewer things that can go wrong. No pump and checkvalve to worry about. The vaporizer is easy to clean. It’s almost all brass except for the key and pot supports. I have some old 1950’s svea 123 that still are running like new! I have lots of Coleman 400 series and they are a lot quieter. Wider flame and good for real cooking. I can cook pancakes on my svea no problem. Same with the Coleman. Personal preference is svea. I sold all my svea 123r and only have about a dozen of the older svea. Don’t get me wrong. Coleman makes excellent stuff. Their checkvalve is hands down the best out there. But for simplicity the svea is my choice!
Two great models! I'm many are here thinking about all the adventures they have taken these stoves on LOL. I don't either of them but always wanted one. Bought an XGK first generation when MSR brought them out LOL, 29 years old and still raging. I'm subbing too.
Could not find source for the Svea so I bought the Coleman after seeing you. Thank you.
I own a lot of Coleman stuff. To me Coleman, was the Browning of Heat and Light. I constantly marvel at the simple, effective and inexpensive solutions Coleman devised. Nothing extraneous, no frills, but at the same time, built like a tank.
I have the Coleman which has been a great stove for motorcycle adventure camping, however, if only some one would make a cup and pot set that would fit over the Coleman would make it much better, I believe the Svea is smaller and you can get off the shelf hiking pot and cup sets that fit over the stove. Best thing about petrol stoves are so cheap to run and fuel is available anywhere....fill the motorcycle and fill your 500mil fuel container at the same time. They are also great around the camp on a cold day with it running between your legs....nice and warm.
The Svea actually comes with its own pan these days.
In my experience jet stoves are usually a tad faster at boiling water but they also have less adjustability and will crack cast iron in half.
sometimes is good to fill the coleman stove with valve cleaning liquid used by diesel cars
I've done this ,too. It does help to keep the generator clean. BTW if you use coleman fuel, or any other of that type , put 1/2 cup of gumout in the container and mix with fuel. It helps to keep your stove burning clean.
The 123 takes way longer to pre heat! Now take them outside and try lighting then in the cold ( I have both ) the Coleman will light way Easyer than the svea you need to practise practise to be able to light the svea in the cold they can be a real dog if it's very cold but it's good once going
I just watched this video. Thinking of picking up the Svea and Optimus Polaris, thanks to your videos. Great content. Great reviews.
Both are good stoves. I've had both, but only the Svea remains. It is a stove I will never sell.
Nice work. Your enthusiasm is contagious. Thank-you for a good video.
Love the SWISS made stove for sure!
I loved my svea stove... I used it about forty years... keeping the orfice in the correct size, and clean is important. Especially after using any off type fuel... but that is the neat thing it burnes just about anything.
What a nice vdeo...you should compare more models
Thank you, these are fun to do!
What a great video. I have both of these stoves.
I would have bet money that the Coleman would have performed better...but I was routing for the Svea and lo and behold, the old school kept right up and that is very impressive...you just can't improve old school that works like the wheel. I'm saving up for a Svea 123r that I hope will cook me a lot of meals...but not quietly...lol
You mentioned these are good back packing stoves.
How are they for spilling fuel during transport in a backpack or other bag if they aren't upright?
Wanted them both for some time but Moreso the Svea, maybe is a nostalgia thing, I like old things
Apples and oranges. The svea especially with the nested stainless cook set has a built in wind screen and is very rugged and not too heavy. I’ve used it with Coleman white gas and back packed and self contained kayaked all over with it. The Coleman stove is more suited to car camping. I wouldn’t want to drag it around.
I'm looking into getting a SVEA, if size, weight and fuel efficiency are the primary factors, is a simple Trangia alcohol burner the best option?
Hello.
How many cc of fuel do you put in the svea 123 ?
Thanks for the video
Ok I have a question... so they seemed to finish about same time... but how long did it take to get the 123 up to full pressure? In practice it would be a waste of heavy fuel to let the stove ramp up all the way like that before cooking. I bet the 400 would've hotter faster if that makes sense. Don't get me wrong, I have a bunch of the 123s and I love them!
I agree and I own and love both of these stoves. But if you light the Coleman per the instructions that are printed on the side of the stove, even if you include the pumping, you should be cooking in under 30 seconds at full power. With a quick 2 cup boil you'd be done on the Coleman before the Svea got to full power. I love the Svea. It's just not fast. But how cool is the self pressurizing design? Very cool, is the correct answer. Haha!
I think I'm more interested in which one can make my fuel go farther. Speed is good, but speed don't matter when your out of gas.
the peak1 will get about 4 hours on low. not sure about the other one.
Great stoves, but my soto windmaster Gas stove is much much quicker and much less faff.
But for reliability, adaptability (travelling in 3rd world countries) and just watching it .... its a talking point!! The Svea 123r wins for me, it's beautiful, got personality, and I'm gonna get one.
i have used a can lid as a simmer ring on the SVEA...works good to cook eggs, which is next to impossible without one. A Forever stove. I switched to a Peak1 576 because of the noise.
Either buying a silent burner, which will simmer or just making up a plate fora simmer ring.
Great video. I have both. They are both great stoves. It just depends what your personal preferences are.
Great stoves . I have both of them.
I collects dozens of these stoves and the sveas don’t hold a candle to a modern Coleman but they’re cool. You severely underpumped that Coleman.
Just to show the size, let me put a glass of Bacardi 151 near the flame...just busting balls - I have both stoves, and this is a great shoot out! Personally I think the Svea is hotter and easier, and the Coleman is more stable with big pots due to the folding legs.
Coleman to me has been tried and true I was lucky to get one at the garage sale with a zip case (400b) And the guy threw in i aluminum bottle with fuel And the square box of fuel $10 He had a few other really good deals on camping stuff One was a HD canvas tent for 5 with a flap for a wood stove I want to say min army grade but better $100 I did not have the money But i knew it would be sold by the time i did lol
The Svea had the Coleman beat. It started boiling faster. If you can get a pump filler cap and pump for a reasonable price, it makes a perfect stove a couple notches better. That way you can use it easier in cold weather.
Swiss and Sweden aint the same land... 😊 🇸🇪
Viewed from USA, they are the same 😊, but you're right, for sure...
This said, Primus is actually owned by a swiss company (Katadyn), and the SVEA 123R are made in a Far East country, today, not any more in Sweden :-(
@@merlinch4256 My Svea is new and says made in Sweden.
@@dphillips4351 Mine is 2 years old and has "SWEDEN" engraved on it, the old fashion. But I cannot find any origin indication on it nor on its package. It's known that there are actually made in a Far East country.
"Stove heat drag"......and the winner is?
@@idahosixgun5601 OK for the quality, but it is almost impossible to find an old one :-)
I bought mine (new) 3 years ago, and it says "SWEDEN" on the tank. Not "made in Sweden", only "Sweden". Hence it can be confusing. Mine is Taiwan made, of course.
The main and obvious difference between Sweden and Taiwan made is the valve angle with the jet body: older ones had a slight slope downwards, as the modern ones have a 90° angle.
The SVEA123 really should have the accessory mini-pump and special cap.
On a cold day they are a PIA to get going unless you have some fibre glass wick wrapped around the valve stem to soak with alcohol.
Using gasoline to prime with is a filthy business. I use white gas only, to much c**p in pump gasoline.
Stability can be an issue, as the SVEA really is very small. OIt was meant to be used with it's own tiny pan.
The SVEA looks like a descendant of a German Jewel 33 from WW2 era.
NJPurling Use a straw or plastic tube to fill the cup with naphtha from the tank. Replace the cap and set it on fire. I find this works much better than alcohol or fire paste. I leave the pump at home now.
I carry an old nasal spray bottle that holds maybe 2oz with the dip tube removed to squirt alcohol into the burner bell. It will automatically drain into the priming pan. I've used it like that for decades in all kinds of weather and never had any issues getting them fired up. They DO take time to get up to speed in the cold though. I got impatient one time and doused it in alcohol when it was close to zero F. Worked great....haha. Not recommending that method, but it worked. It helps to shield as much wind as possible and not set it on wet or frozen ground that acts as a heat sink.
Again great job on repair, I see you have folded the feet under to keep the stove level. If you ever get a hold of Biolite wood burning stove please post video on that. My kids were wanted to get me one but I thought the price was too high at the time.
Biolite was a great concept like the refillable mini lanterns but in the end a POS had both hated them.
You should have put the 400 feet out, (three legs) that are under the cannister . I have had one for 30 years
Gracias amigo gran información Coleman is the best
On the Coleman stove you forgot to unfold the legs, and you should use a preheating jell to preheat your fuel. Also the Coleman is a what I like to call a real "chef's" stove due to how easy it is to adjust the flame, and how stable it is, when you have the legs unfolded.
+James Hart I didn't forget to unfold the legs, just chose not to. Thank you! I appreciate you stopping by and showing your support. Have a beautiful evening!
The pre-heating gel is used for kerosene fuel and maybe in extremely cold conditions for propane fuels. I've never had trouble with my liquid fuel stove.
James Hart at full blast,how long does one full up last?
JIUJITSU2000 at full blast,how long does one full up last?
No preheat necessary with white gas on the Coleman if you light it like the instructions on the side of the stove tell you to. Everybody seems to think they're smarter than the Coleman engineers or they're just scared of the stoves. If you pump it up, light your match/lighter, hold it to the burner, and open the valve to the LIGHT position and leave it there, you're cooking in 10 to 15 seconds. As soon as it lights, you should add more pumps. All that is printed clearly on the side of the stove. But nobody reads anymore.
Is it possible to use an alcohol lika a fuel?
Waaaait a minute...did I just watch a water boiling competition??
Have you had any issues running the Svea off regular unleaded petrol? Was looking at one for motorbike travels because you have an endless supply of petrol, especially for when you are in extreme remote areas. The Svea manual says 'unleaded gasoline but not Car petrol', now I think that's because these things were made decades ago when petrol was much dirtier, Ive emailed Optimus and asked them to clarify but haven't had a reply. So just wondered what your longterm experience is with regular vehicle unleaded petrol. Thanks I have bought a Soto Muka to use for now, but would love to get a little Svea, think there's not much to wrong with them. I had a Peak multi fuel years ago in the early 90s, they were very popular in the British Army, better and quicker than using the issued Hexamaine fuel tablets, but it's just that warming up phase which seems to take forever, the Svea, out of these 2 is clearly way quicker overall to get a boil going. Many thanks from a very cold England!
No issues at all!
I run my gas through a coffee filter then I put it in stove. These are easy to fix if you run into any issues. Blessings from Arizona!
Hello I had a question for you. First of all, love the comparison video enjoyed it very very much. basically my question is, do you know what the difference between the Coleman 533 dual fuel single burner stove is compared to the feather 400 Coleman peak 1? I have the 533 dual fuel and have been looking at the feather 400 and was just wondering what the difference is if there is any at all? Thank you very much and get back to you when you get this keep up the great videos and thanks again
Thank you for the kind words and support you give my channel... the main difference that I noticed is size and weight. they both performed very well
the newer 533 dual fuel is rated at 9500 BTU and the old Peak 1 is rated at 10,000 BTU. The Peak1 also uses gasoline and is 1/3 smaller than the 533.
The major difference is in the diameter of the fount (tank) and in the weight. The burners are almost identical. The 533 is about a half-pound heavier than the 400B/442 stoves, but the fount holds about 50% more fuel. IMO the 533 makes a great car- or motorcycle camping stove, and a great emergency stove for when you lose power, but I'd go with a 442 or 550B (the lightest modern integral Coleman single burner stove). The 550B is the lightest but is not as rugged/bump resistant. The 400B/442 is IMO the best combination... it is my moto camping and day hiking stove, with a 550B when I want to travel as light as I can.
@@johnclifford1911 thank you very much for the reply. I really appreciate it so basically in your opinion if I had to have a single burner stove the most rugged and reliable not worrying about weight would be the five three three? Let me know when you get this thanks for everything
@@lessstuffmorefreedom-livin6886 I think the 400-series as well as the 533 (which is really the 400-series burner with the larger fount/tank) are equally rugged, and any of these would be fine. You can buy brand-new 533s from Amazon for $70... that's hard to beat. Really, the only Coleman stoves I've seen that are beaten up look like they were tossed in the back of a pickup truck and bounced around the bed for a while when driven over a bumpy road... and they still work, the aluminum windshield for the burner just gets beat to crap. Take care of any of these and they will likely outlast you.
What's the fuel capacity for them & run time
From new, what is the price difference?
The feet on the Coleman haven’t been opened out, that’s not stable!
I would like to see this test performed in sub zero temperatures.
I would too! I love in Arizona, possibly this winter
ive used my 400A at -30. Takes a little bit longer to heat the generator but after that its like using it at 70 deg. I pour a little Gas on top of the Stove and light it, just to get the generator warm, before i pressurize the tank. Its saved my ass a number of times in the Northern Boreal.
@@jiujitsu2000 I'm a stovie and probably own 20 different models, BUT I'm a bit ashamed to say that I don't own a Svea. I have to admit they kind of scare me a bit! I wonder how often these things have gone off with a bang? Thank you!
@@kenneth6731 Not at all. The fuel cap has a safety valve in it to vent if the pressure gets too high. As long as you don't use too big of a pot and/or use a separate poorly positioned wind screen that reflects too much heat back on the stove you're fine. Keep in mind that the whole stove gets way too hot to touch after several minutes of running on high.
Great video, what you use as a case for the SVEA ?
I don't understand why you left out the amount of time it took to bring the water to a boil it seems like that would be a major component of the test
Also original box and instructions! Also it still has fuel in it!
cool!
Svea 123 Low maintenance.
BIG Stick... the 123 is more compact than the Coleman. I took one with me to Saudi Arabia in 1990... only to have it stolen! Bastards!
Hi my friend. Just to knowledge. That kind of test will not be fair if the two of stoves can't deliver the same amount of "calories" (I'd prefer energy) to the same amount of water, at a given time... Cheers.
The Coleman looks more wind-resistant to me. So in theory it should boil faster if you do the test outside.
The svea is much more wind resistant only one jet
@@βιζζγΚιδ Both stoves have only one jet. That makes no sense.
If you're using a stove outdoors without a bringing a separate windscreen, you're either crazy, inexperienced, or just stupid. They're both OK in light wind. The Svea at full power shoot the flames up a bit more, but the cross pot supports do pretty well on 3 out of the 4 segments. The windward segment, not so great. So you need a windscreen in wind with either stove or you'll take forever and waste a lot of fuel.
@@mikemorgan5015 actually the coleman has hundreds. The svea has only 1 jet like a main jet in a carburetor. Maybe you should look before you call people stupid. The svea's fuel jet is hidden under the diffuser hence more windproof.
@@βιζζγΚιδ Dude I've taken hundreds of these stoves apart. BOTH KINDS. Nothing is "hidden". The jet on the Coleman is at the end of the generator spraying into the mixing chamber/bunsen LIKE A MAIN JET IN A CARBURETOR. The jet on the svea is shooting straight up to the impingement plate. If you are equating the flame pattern from the alternating smooth and corrugated burner rings with the actual jets/gas tips on these stove well I just think you'll find youself alone there. But you do you. This isn't worth my time anymore.
Greetings brother where can i purchace a svea stove i love theis old school more than the new school one
Ebay if your lucky
How much is the Coleman?
How efficient coleman`s windshield (pot supports) is? Its reflector and windshield works fine. 550B (MIL) have more shield. No dead weight.
I'm surprised you aren't testing something like the Silverfire Scout. That stove seems more inline with your minimalist style when in the outdoors.
So it was a freaking tie, Jiu! But which stove is the coolest? :)
i think the comparasing is only genuine if you add the preheating time.
oh okay so there's not a huge difference is between the two at all? I know they look fairly different one looks higher than the other I just didn't know if they performed that much different in your opinion
Good info
Sup with the mullet bro? 😁👍
One other question how much fuel do they burn, as this is a very practical question for back packers or any other end user. You are always limited by fuel carried.
david tasker I'm also trying to find this out. I'd like to compare burn time/weight with canister stoves, liquid fuel stoves, and alcohol stoves.
Check out Paleo something. He runs boil tests and weighs the stoves in grams to record fuel usage.
Dead heat! (pun intended)
Hi how many minutes actuation when filling the tank
how long will these cook for on a tank of fuel
peak1 4 hours on low.
The stoves have reached critical mass 😂
Hello JJ2000! Like your videos, have you Evert used diselfuel or kerosen as fuel for the Svea? It would be nice to know, in a pinch.
0:59 It's interesting people say Swiss made when it's actually Swedish made.
How and where can I get the adapter to refill the one pounder canister?.. Thanks jiujitsu2000 for those tips!!
I have the 400 but I consider it fragile compared to the Svea. All the 400's exposed unshielded parts make it a risk to drops or crushing.
They are more durable than they look. I packed these in the Army for over 20 years and it got dropped, smashed, dented, rained on, fell in mud and more. Still works today and never had to replace any thing but the generator. Everything else was bent back in shape with a pair of pliers. Still runs like new today. All I had for a case was the padded stuff sack it came with, though I did start using a metal coffee can to stuff it in occasionally, sack and all.
@@mikemorgan5015 I truly believe what you say, just saying you did have to "bend things back in shape" occasionally which indeed is a plus for a Coleman and a little surprised you didn't get ahold of one of the surplus GI stoves to use as they are even more durable. I can't really talk expertly as I pretty much made do with heat tabs or Sterno most of my time.
@@Vladviking I used and Esbit folding tablet stove for a year before I bought my first "real" single burner stove. The I saw an infantry dude who was supporting using GI compressed hexamine tablets. I could get all I wanted of that for free. Didn't burn as clean as the esbit tabs, but both were pretty nasty with the fumes and cup residue. I honestly can't remember which one I got first, a 550b or 400 in 1989-90. I too didn't read instructions back then and had many flare ups that I'm certain could be seen from space. I'm not sure which GI stove you speak of, but, I ordered an M1950 through supply and it actually came in. The supply sergeant liked it so he stole it. I ordered another and he "let" me have it. Works ok, but not as quiet or powerful as two I had. Now I have a lot. You are right, the M1950 is more durable, but it's also tall and heavy. Where the 1950 scrugs off dents, the 550b uses crumple zones to absorb impact like a modern car. Haha!
I find your videos informative. . thank you! I noticed your skull lid. ..if I may, which TEAM? and more thank you's than one could offer! In which state are you located?
Al Pell Thank you for the kind words and support you give my channel. I'm happy to see that my videos were helpful. I was not a team guy. Some of my friends are or were. I live in AZ. Thank you for stopping by! Have a beautiful day!
Hi. Svea123 not Swissmade. It's made in Sweden. Nice video..❤❤❤
I agree, unfortunately said wrong thing while filming... lol
Okey. Always nice video...
PARITY !!!
With the difference that Optimus is noisier, but smaller!!!
A cordial healthy.
Oh oh I predict that the Coleman will win! That said, the svea is simpler, smaller, and more miserly on fuel.
Yeah, I think this spring when I go garage sales might have to try and find a svea
I went to the local thrift store, and saw a sigg Tourist cookset there for $1.99, it was taped up and that store will throw you out for removing the tape, they have cameras everywhere. I knew sonething was inside due to the weight. So I bought it right there, and took it out to my truck and started opening it before I got in. Svea 123r complete stove inside with a pump too! Looks like it was used once or twice many years ago, best ever thrift store find ever for me!
I don't even need to watch this video, in order to say....nothing beats a SVEA. SORRY. NOTHING!
Maybe next time put a digital thermometer on them ,you may have seen a small very small temp difference, very informative otherwise thanks....
i wonder if you fill them up with regular fuel unleaded and burn on high, how long will they last?! 4hrs? 6hrs?
On high, closer to one hour.