I feel like taking a small quote out of an innocuous interview from 24 years ago is in bad faith. My interpretation was he was referring to the 'classic' Marshal sound and in particular the Marshall valvestate he used and still uses which frankly only has one sound... but hey what do I know
the marshall models you should know: 1.jtm 45 /2245 or 1962 bluesbreaker combo 2.1987/1959 50w/100w super lead and super bass 3.jmp 4.jcm800/jubilee 5.1974/1958/1973 there are many more with distinct tones but these are the ones to go for
I'm more interested in hearing the classic or characteristic sound each Amp is exceptionally good at, rather than the ability to make them all sound the same. Versatility is useful, but in the Modeling World, where hundreds of different Amps are available right at your fingertips, selectivity is often more useful.
2203s clean up very well. So if you use your guitar's controls, you can get all kinds of sounds, in my experience. But, unlike in front of a Fender-like NM amp, boost or gain pedals are kind of "dominated" by that Marshall sound, adding colour but not completely turn the amp into something else, wich can be seen as a benefit unless you're used to something else and/or don't really like Marshalls. It's very versatile when you work with your guitar and you can play any sort of music with it, not just hard rock/metal etc. And it doesn't "polish" the sound to an extent that makes different guitars almost undistinguishable.
I dialed in on my FM9 fractal 1st amp, the 100 watt Plexi, went after that Clapton LEAD sound, that is distinctive to that 66 67 sound that he, peter Green, mick Taylor got back then, you hear it also in short part in EJ Pavillion song. When I hear it I know it. What actual Volume level that would be, I hate to think, way louder than I would want to be in the Room for sure. But that is why MODELLING to me RULES, you can turn it the heck down.
Regarding different sounds on the same here, have you experienced this thing where the Helix models are actually more versatile than the tube amps are they emulate? I've noticed that I can get really crazy with the parameters on helix amp models in ways that if I tried to do that with a real amp, it would flub out.
I don't agree. I have been a Marshall player since i bought a JCM800 4104 in 1985. I learned how to get everything out that amp. Obviously you can get the low gain, and high gain Marshall tones using a boost, but you could also get jangly Tom Petty tones, Stones tones, fusion tones, glassy clean sounds and with an EQ pedal, blackface tones. It's all a matter of spending time and understanding the amp. The attack and sag can be changed with the right basic pedals. But, if you just plug in a fly... well... yeah, there is one tone.
It's as you say, spending time to discover an amp's full range...many people in this consumer-centric society would just spend money to buy more amps and pedals than spend time learning to do more with less
There's a certain Marshall sound that rock guys attained to back in the day. Me included. A kind of mid range grind. As time has gone on Marshall's got more gainy and modern sounding. I think after the jcm 900 they do sound smoother
I’ve had my plexis since the very early 90s and I don’t think the settings have changed… jumped with the volumes on just below 2 on the treb and just below 3 on the norm and it’s a flippin loud edge of breakup that I have to click down around 4 clicks from a Marshall power break.. o have one of the reissue JTM 45 heads with a 212 and I really like it - but my ears pricked up at that 2203 sound you got- something in the top end was almost fender like … I am seriously having an amp crisis at the moment…
Most of the differences in amps seem to be how much gain is available and the feel of the response. After that it's like looking at one of those paint books to has four hundred different shades of gray.
That's about what I concluded from trying the initial experiment years ago - I guess without a loadbox it's also about the volume that comes along for the ride?
@@johnnathancordy Being able to get sufficient gain at a reasonable volume can be challenging on pre 90's Marshalls. Fenders and Voxes usually need to use a pedal to get enough gain at a not outrageous volume. Pretty much one of the main reasons Mesa Boogies did so well when they came out.
Not really true if you’ve tried different models / different years. It would be true that Marshall’s always have strong mids compared to the scooped Fender sounds. You only have to search for tone stack comparisons to see that’s pretty obvious. But Marshall have so many models currently and add to all the previous ones there’s a lot of diversity there.
I saw that in the picture...those valvestates are some of the more versatile amps marshall has made, though there are others that produce the iconic "marshall sound" he was referring to more naturally
I love Oasis but noel is full of bs. Let's be honest he's not one of the greatest when it comes to guitar. Definitely Maybe was basically a rip off of other peeps music. I wouldn't be listening to Noel about anything on the world of guitar's.
I am a subscriber but I dislike the idea of _proving_ anything using profiles. There are way too many factors and profiles can be inaccurate. Even Marshall can sound quite different if it has been modded a lot, which happens. And then the title - Betteridge's law of headlines... Come on.
Just look at all the beautiful shades of clean and overdrive tones Hendrix got. There are countless other guitarists too.
Hendrix used Fender amps mostly for recording.
No, Noel Gallagher is wrong, Marshalls cleans are great and so is distortion, and different Marshalls sound different to each other.
I feel like taking a small quote out of an innocuous interview from 24 years ago is in bad faith. My interpretation was he was referring to the 'classic' Marshal sound and in particular the Marshall valvestate he used and still uses which frankly only has one sound... but hey what do I know
After mucking around with various stuff over the years I've found I only really want one sound. I've found it's a Marshall sound.
the marshall models you should know:
1.jtm 45 /2245 or 1962 bluesbreaker combo
2.1987/1959 50w/100w super lead and super bass
3.jmp
4.jcm800/jubilee
5.1974/1958/1973
there are many more with distinct tones but these are the ones to go for
"Definitely Maybe...". Marshalls do have great clean sounds IMO.
Once more Noel is wrong. Despite their unique character Marshalls are quite versatile amps
I'm more interested in hearing the classic or characteristic sound each Amp is exceptionally good at, rather than the ability to make them all sound the same.
Versatility is useful, but in the Modeling World, where hundreds of different Amps are available right at your fingertips, selectivity is often more useful.
That ElectraDyne was such a Sweet looking amp Head, piece of Furniture. That HeadFirst head you had or have is really NICE!!!!
Yeh I miss it for the looks, but hopefully it is getting more use now?!
2203s clean up very well. So if you use your guitar's controls, you can get all kinds of sounds, in my experience. But, unlike in front of a Fender-like NM amp, boost or gain pedals are kind of "dominated" by that Marshall sound, adding colour but not completely turn the amp into something else, wich can be seen as a benefit unless you're used to something else and/or don't really like Marshalls. It's very versatile when you work with your guitar and you can play any sort of music with it, not just hard rock/metal etc. And it doesn't "polish" the sound to an extent that makes different guitars almost undistinguishable.
I dialed in on my FM9 fractal 1st amp, the 100 watt Plexi, went after that Clapton LEAD sound, that is distinctive to that 66 67 sound that he, peter Green, mick Taylor got back then, you hear it also in short part in EJ Pavillion song. When I hear it I know it. What actual Volume level that would be, I hate to think, way louder than I would want to be in the Room for sure. But that is why MODELLING to me RULES, you can turn it the heck down.
er noel gallagher only has one sound
Maybe they all sounded the same when Noel played them...
Regarding different sounds on the same here, have you experienced this thing where the Helix models are actually more versatile than the tube amps are they emulate? I've noticed that I can get really crazy with the parameters on helix amp models in ways that if I tried to do that with a real amp, it would flub out.
There's definitely more scope for cranking fender style amps and marshall amps than I'd have in real life in the Helix at least?
One sound? Laughs in Marshall JVM.
I don't agree. I have been a Marshall player since i bought a JCM800 4104 in 1985. I learned how to get everything out that amp. Obviously you can get the low gain, and high gain Marshall tones using a boost, but you could also get jangly Tom Petty tones, Stones tones, fusion tones, glassy clean sounds and with an EQ pedal, blackface tones. It's all a matter of spending time and understanding the amp.
The attack and sag can be changed with the right basic pedals. But, if you just plug in a fly... well... yeah, there is one tone.
It's as you say, spending time to discover an amp's full range...many people in this consumer-centric society would just spend money to buy more amps and pedals than spend time learning to do more with less
There's a certain Marshall sound that rock guys attained to back in the day. Me included. A kind of mid range grind. As time has gone on Marshall's got more gainy and modern sounding. I think after the jcm 900 they do sound smoother
Obviously no. Eric Johnson, vs SRV, vs Slash, et. al.... all vastly different Marshall sounds...
As long as the name for that sound is “awesome” then, yes
Nope, try an 800, DSL and Origin. Yet Marshall never get very clean, there is always a hint of "something" 😅
I’ve had my plexis since the very early 90s and I don’t think the settings have changed… jumped with the volumes on just below 2 on the treb and just below 3 on the norm and it’s a flippin loud edge of breakup that I have to click down around 4 clicks from a Marshall power break.. o have one of the reissue JTM 45 heads with a 212 and I really like it - but my ears pricked up at that 2203 sound you got- something in the top end was almost fender like … I am seriously having an amp crisis at the moment…
try a 1974x it's a sleeper
Most of the differences in amps seem to be how much gain is available and the feel of the response. After that it's like looking at one of those paint books to has four hundred different shades of gray.
That's about what I concluded from trying the initial experiment years ago - I guess without a loadbox it's also about the volume that comes along for the ride?
@@johnnathancordy Being able to get sufficient gain at a reasonable volume can be challenging on pre 90's Marshalls. Fenders and Voxes usually need to use a pedal to get enough gain at a not outrageous volume. Pretty much one of the main reasons Mesa Boogies did so well when they came out.
Na dawg, that's doing dirty to my boy Marshall. He has many sounds.
Definitely maybe
Not really true if you’ve tried different models / different years. It would be true that Marshall’s always have strong mids compared to the scooped Fender sounds. You only have to search for tone stack comparisons to see that’s pretty obvious. But Marshall have so many models currently and add to all the previous ones there’s a lot of diversity there.
he plays a valvestate 8080! my 2nd amp ever from the 90's !
I saw that in the picture...those valvestates are some of the more versatile amps marshall has made, though there are others that produce the iconic "marshall sound" he was referring to more naturally
Marshalls are great for 70s tribute acts - nothing more
Man what’s the name of the intro song again? It’s on the tip on my tongue haha
I have fringe opinions that most people disagree with as well
Tell me about it 😅
I love Oasis but noel is full of bs. Let's be honest he's not one of the greatest when it comes to guitar. Definitely Maybe was basically a rip off of other peeps music. I wouldn't be listening to Noel about anything on the world of guitar's.
cool
I am a subscriber but I dislike the idea of _proving_ anything using profiles. There are way too many factors and profiles can be inaccurate.
Even Marshall can sound quite different if it has been modded a lot, which happens.
And then the title - Betteridge's law of headlines... Come on.
Noel has done too many drugs. Talk shite constantly.
the hairline is unbelievable though
@@johnnathancordy I admire his commitment to the same haircut for the last 30 years.
Am I first?
First? I dunno.Queer? Definitely.
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