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Trumpies (die hard trump fans) are not smart enough to get that
Paulo Normil you card read good
Trump supporter: " My reasoning skills are not on par, therefore I'll mention Hillary. "
Paulo Normil I call them Trumpets 😌
*Trumpanzees or *Trumpkins is better
Rjkooljay Trumpanzees omg 😂😂👏
3 years later, I'm still waiting for Trump and the Republican party to show us their better and cheaper healthcare plan.
Now it's never gonna happen
@@jarvisb.6013 What do you mean now, it was never gonna happen
Normal healthcare is cheaper than Obamacare. So getting rid of obamacare is the cheaper healthcare plan
@@theodor5057 Normal insurance from where? 1099 workers didn't have health insurance from their employers, and they couldn't buy private insurance policies if they have a pre-existing conditions.
Obamacare helps people with pre-existing conditions to buy a health insurance plan, so they can be treated by whatever hospital accepts that policy.
Normal insurance policies of the W-2 employees are raising because the health insurance companies are being charged more with a higher taxes. Now, this is not the fault of Obamacare, but it's the fault of the lobby of the health industry of the United States.
@@stanleysellers192 so true😂
Time's up! The Republican Health Care never materialized.
It's so cold outside, I saw a politician with his hands in his own pockets.
Aizenomi lol
Aizenomi You won. That's it people! We now have the 2017 winner of the internet.
I'll do my very best to cite you as I reuse this with coworkers and friends. Thanks for the smile!
Admiral, he didn't win anything, it's copy-paste, not original. And far from originating in 2017.
That's an old Carson joke. Very stale.
Just copy Canada's health care as a canadian I can say it pretty good
Tristan Cullum yeah it is but we pay 40% of our money in taxes
Agreed. 👍
We pay just as much,its just spread out more slyly
Yes but then we don't have to pay even higher private insurance and/or high out of pocket costs if we do get sick...
The true way to assess how costly or not is a health care system is either by share health care spending as a % of GPD or health care spending per capita, including BOTH public and private spending.
On both count (per capite or % of GDP), the US is wayyyyyyy ahead of all other OECD contries. Canada is pretty much on the average of rich country for that.
+TJ Suydam Food. Those taxes at the bottom of receipt. 😥 But it's all worth it in the end. 👍
it's sad to see the most powerful country in the world struggling with such basic problems.
noone its because we have freedom countries like canada and most in europe are communist dictatorships therefore the people have no say so its easy to pass these ridiculous healthcare bills that the government shouldnt even be doing in the first place. Theres a reason we are the most powerful and we dont have mandatory healthcare its not a coincidence.
Good joke, with every awful decision you make, the only argument you bring up is freedom hhhh. You call it freedom, I think it's savage capitalism. I'm living in Morocco ( I'm not sure if you know where it is) and I get my medecines for free. And because almost everybody pays I don't have to pay that much. Noone has to sell his house to afford treatments from cancer or any other desease.
Actually, it pretty much is a coincidence. Mandatory healthcare didn't become popular around the world until after the Second World War, which was the real decisive factor in making the USA the most powerful country .
El Pingu ?? Are you serious? Many of those countries (Canada, Denmark, Sweden) score higher in freedom of the press, social liberties, and political liberties/direct democracy than the United States.
The US is the most powerful country in the world because it has a huge land area full of natural resources and arable land, is relatively isolated from the conflicts of the rest of the world, has had 200 years of relative stability and economic growth, during which it had close ties with other scientifically and socially advanced nations, and just recently came out as the winner of an economic/scientific/military cold war against another superpower of similar size and development.
We're quickly being taken over by China, though, because China is developing a decent-sized economy very quickly and are becoming far more scientifically-literate than us. (You can thank conservative Christians and an under-funded, under-emphasized public education system for the US's failure, here.) Unfortunately for you, China IS a one-party communist state. And because people like you don't understand the worth of a government investing in one's citizens, THEY will soon be the next world superpower.
Peregrine O'Connor sure buddy
Who's here instead of that painful dirge of an inauguration?
lol if you dont like liberals dont use liberal products like phones and computers and internet. Go use a book and paper notes. such an idiot.
Samuel Wallace Is not that he disagrees with me, is that his and his supporters utter stupidity make me cringe soooo bad.
Arkadiem me
+Samuel Wallace
That's the key thing that the unsophisticated Trump supporters didn't understand: it's pointless to listen to any politician.
there were actually way less people there than most inaugurations.
Wasn't the Obamacare plan the so-called "conservative" healthcare plan to begin with (as opposed to the liberal option of single payer health insurance like in France and Sweden)? If I remember correctly, wasn't it a Reagan era think tank that develop basically this policy, and was implemented by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts?
Maybe that is why they are having such trouble with the replacement; this was their idea, and Obama used it for their support and they decided not to support the law anyway. Kind of like how it became unacceptable to hold a confirmation hearing on Merrick Garland, even though conservatives in Congress were openly saying that, if Obama wanted to be bipartisan (which they assumed he wouldn't be), he would nominate Garland...
*****
In this country they are. In the USA, saying that it is the job of the government to improve the lives of its citizens is practically a liberal sentiment.
Thomas Jefferson But also George Washington? Source please.
Grand1Admiral
For my first or second comment? Because the second one was more just complaining haha.
For the first one, you can google RomneyCare for verification
And just to add, they previously requested Garland by name when Obama was looking for a nominee for the DC appeals court. When it came to confirmation time there were still some Republicans that voted against him and they admitted they had nothing against him.
Romney did it at the state level but Obamacare is the closest thing America has to universal healthcare
why do you need to repeal before you come up with a better solution? why can you not produce the plan before repealing the old plan? i just don get it.
Because they don't believe that government should provide healthcare. I bet that they never 'manage' to come up with a replacement in the next four years...mark my words
Alex Harris you need to vote for it to find out what's in it.
Rjkooljay I hope they dont. Its not the governments job.
Because it is destroying middle class families
Actually, regulating the health care industry and making sure the citizens of this nation are not needlessly dying IS the governments job. Kinda part of the Constitution, brah. You know the part that talks about protecting the general welfare of the nation?
Oh, and the ACA is NOT destroying middle class families. That would be wealth and income inequality. Also, most of the rises people are seeing in their insurance are from their employer contributing less.(also the rises are nothing like the rises of the 90's and 00's) If you work in a low level job that doesn't offer insurance, rest assured you are almost certainly not in the middle class at all.
I think the heart of the controversy is the individual mandate. Republicans really don't like it.
But here is the problem, to keep the premiums and deductibles for sicker people low, you have to mandate health care enrollment for healthy people. If you don't institute the mandate, sicker people will have to shoulder all the cost, because healthy people have no reason to enroll in health insurance.
I agree. Someone got to pay for it. But the problem is that not everyone wants too. Not everyone wants to pay for health insurance if they are not really using it.
Rafael Chung The way I see it, there are only two options:
1. mandate everyone to have pay into the pool (medicare for all).
2. Completely rid of government from the health care industry, let people decide what coverage they want to get.
***** Obamacare is kind of like the halfway option of the two I mentioned. You are required to pay into the system, but you have the option of choosing what coverage you get.
Edit: I think this half-way option is not working as intended. The premiums and deductibles remain very high.
Do as we do in Belgium:
As an employee, part of our wages we never see and goes straight to our Social Security System.
We don't notice it, we don't complain, and if we visit the doctor, we get a large portion refunded.
Only downside is the high employment costs for cooperations
Hanc Obamacare or the ACA is the half way because its a compromise.
The best way is that everyone pay a tax so that there is enough money to cover everyone.
There is nothing wrong with letting the market decide but the problem is that insurance companies only insure people that doesnt really get sick, so that they make a lot more profit. Thats why people couldnt get insurance because of pre-existing conditions. Anyone with signs of using the insurance was denied of it. There was no regulation and people were not happy. Those that really needed insurance needed to end working with a big company to get it.
ACA is not perfect but its better than having no nothing.
The only way to make the ACA better is to have a Single Payer System, or at the very least, a public option. The Republicans and Trump hate those two options even more than ACA (which, btw, was a right-wing policy that's based on Romney-care).
will be my end. you are right
see britain, 6 months wait for a MRI, no thank you.
See Australia. Universal healthcare (Medicare) with additional private insurance and medical infrastructure.
Kevin, I'll take a system with a slightly longer wait time that's based on the patient's urgency over a system that kills over 45000 people/year due to a lack of insurance.
@will be my end
American conservatives have come to the point where they clearly only care about themselves and no one else. They only become concerned about an issue when it affects them personally.
Or until Republican leaders tell them what to think. Remember how they said Obamacare was socialism and socialism is evil for many years? Well how exactly do you "cover everyone beautifully" without even more socialism?
As a Canadian I can say that for most us up here in the north free health care is amazing, hospitals run perfectly health clinics are great and there's never the worry of can I afford it. However, there are a few problems, at a regular clinic the time to see the doctor is lengthy around an hour wait time but you can avoid that be asking when the doctor is going to be free and showing up at that time to avoid the wait. For the US I believe you should attempt to adopt a free healthcare system. By this I mean you're not paying for insurance you're paying for free health care out of taxes and if you can manage to elect representatives who aren't money hungry liars increase taxes on the rich to lower the taxes for the majority. With your population and the wealth your people have you can easily establish a free healthcare system while still paying lower taxes than us Canadians.
I'm Aussie n so grateful for our 'no out of pocket' public healthcare :)
Sareen Sidhu smh if only the politicians weren't pocket rapists.
The thing is america is all about business. Don't forget insurance is a huge money maker.
That comes at the cost of higher taxes, which a lot of people don't want. It can also almost entirely remove competition, which while it's not popular to say this among Sanders-democrats, competition is vital.
@Unlocked I see where you're coming from but there are two fundamental problems to that. First, in the current healthcare system, American's have, there isn't much competition. If look at many industries that provide vital services for the automotive industry or smartphone industry competition has brought us amazing products but in healthcare, it's a completely different story. Due to the unique nature of the industry, high startup costs, lengthy legal procedures and high maintenance costs there are only a few large corporations controlling many smaller companies under them. The cost of healthcare has continued to rise while the quality has not and for your over the counter drugs the prices have run off the charts. The second thing is competition while still be there because there are TWO parties. Healthcare has become a popular discussion in U.S politics and any party failing to improve or maintain the healthcare standards would harm itself when it comes to elections this being very prevalent in all other first world countries that provide free healthcare. And again compared to what your medical insurance costs and pharmaceutical costs the price is not much higher. Private healthcare right now is coming to no one's advantage except the executives who own the companies. If you push for better or even reasonable tax laws on your rich(which you have a lot of) this can be a very easy reality. Not to mention the over inflated budgets the NSA, Armed Forces and other agencies use could be reduced by very small amounts to further decrease costs.
I hate when they call it Obama Care when the official name is "Affordable Care Act"
Yeah, it's really stupid when other organizations such as Vox call it by its nickname that was obviously coined as propaganda against the program, so they are only making the purposeful deception more successful.
Alma Tirado The name makes sense because it was passed under the Obama administration
LinusMLGTips Yo u here 2 bruh?
Alma Tirado Thank you
Because Obama himself said he liked the nickname, I personally don't mind. But I see where you are coming from.
Nearly 5 mins and no mention of the need to open up insurance options by way of competition. How else do you think prices drop in any industry? Competition.
Not going to happened, get educated on actuarial science and you will know why.
tabitha quinn Or you could go European and adopt something like the NHS?? or is that too socialist libtard??
tabitha quinn Um that's how things are right now but I don't see healthcare prices going down?
If you have a small town of 10,000 people and there's already an insurance company there who has most of the market cornered, its not worth it for another company to waste time trying to come in and undercut them to pick up the scraps. This is why competition is so bad in so many places and why Obama wanted a public option so the government could offer something cheaper but Republicans gutted that part.
Ian Malcolm
They weren't
www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/07/28/overwhelming-evidence-that-obamacare-caused-premiums-to-increase-substantially/
How exactly do they not need to compete on price? What will happen if Insurance Company A is as good as Insurance Company B, but is cheaper? Who do you think will have more customers and therefore more money?
Health insurance companies like to admit healthy people because insurance is just that, insurance. If you are sick before and need health insurance then you should pay more because you will use it more. It doesn't make sense for someone who costs 150$ a year and someone who costs thousands a year to pay the same premium.
why don't we just do what Europe and the rest of the developed nations do? FREE healthcare? We can just use the same policy they have like a copy and paste, i know there is some out there that is going to say "its not that easy" the hard truth is that is insane easy. $100 says someone will day "America cant afford it" but we can bc we make $17 Trillion a Year more then the next 5 country's combined. The simple fact is We spend money on a military we don't need. We don't need to Spend $597 Billion a year do defend our country we spend more then the next 10 Country's on the list Combined on our military. It is time we just tell the government we will not support there Spending on what they want for new toys and What we need as American Citizens. We can do over 25 Apollo Moon Missions a Year if NASA had our Military's Budget. That's Insane! or we can feed the whole World as an American eats (if we day we eat $20 of food a day) for 4 Days! If we feed people $1 a day we can feed the whole planet for 85 Days! That's 85 Days No one on earth will die from Starvation!
Good
Yes finally, a sane person
@@mecheeto1483 Unfortunately, my friend we don't live in a utopia. I dont want to stand in long lines to get healthcare which is the case in all countries with free Healthcare. It takes 2 years to get a psychologist appointment in some parts of canada
really late on this but for me free healthcare is better than the way private healthcare is done in US, but it's still not the best. It's prone to overusage and high costs as a result of not having to pay anything(in the EU i think there's one country that has the free healthcare for all, but even foreigners come over just for the free healthcare and it's a big burden.) It's better if there is a nationwide basic health insurance scheme controlled directly by the government(medicare and stuff) that pays a portion(some is funded from your own pockets to still make sure you don't overuse it)(portion varies depending on quality of stay, like luxurious vs standard) and public hospitals(can keep private hospitals but public should be the norm). Then, additional stuff like medifund to help needy, and additional insurance for those who want it. Basically make it partially free, but not totally
@@MAC-vi7fy 2 years is over exaggeration, yes we might have to wait a week or two. That's regular, but that's because in Canada we are developing fast, there are jobs that are open, in large areas, there are at max 2 hospitals. This is a problem that makes us wait for a while. In this pandemic, my other had to wait for 1 months, but in Europe it's not the same. Canada is not fully developed, we are growing and we are trying to build more hospitals so free healthcare is easily accessible. Free healthcare isn't free, you pay for it from your tax but it is a great way in comparison to private healthcare.
That pic with Paul Ryan and his friends laughing reminds me a lot of the Dr. Evil squad laugh.
when this country was formed -
1 - there were private schools for the rich - then public education was created
2 - there was private police protection - then public police protection was created
3 - there was private fire protection - then public fire protection was created
4 - there was private health care - then medicare was created for the elderly
everyone else was left with private insurance driven by profit (unlike Europe)
This the fourth leg of the stool.
Healthcare should not be driven by profit (it's too expensive already).
This includes drugs. Universities should do research (not private companies).
We should have Medicare for everyone (like Canada).
To be fair, police protection is still _indirectly_ private.
explain - police are paid by public taxes, correct?
Tell that to the grandparents angry at the care they recieve under the Aca vs before it’s implementation
We are not in Canada we are in America and in America nothing is free ... and nothing should be given free !
@@alexroman3682 I wonder will you change your mind when you or someone you love is left broke, stripped of assets and dying in agony because chances are it will happen.
Their problem is that a black man passed it. Call your senators, make sure they NEVER repeal any part of it.
My wife has free health care as college student. I am Indonesian..
It just sucks because companies are cutting people's hours so they don't reach limit that makes the actual cooperations pay. But everything has a loophole I guess😂
the ability to live should be a right. and in that being able to live while not drowning in debt from medical bills
Kenyon Scheid you’d be incentivised to get a job and be productive in society if healthcare were privatized completely because your job would give you reasonable rates. Free healthcare for every single homeless person is counter productive can’t you see?
@@kevinmott9046 your logic is not very christian of you. Can't you see?
@@kevinmott9046 you're arguement for reasonable rates makes sense, yet the congressional republicans are against raising the minimum wage to allow for people to pay for their health care. If we were to go along with their plans, millions of people would be stuck in an endless loop of not being able to afford health insurance and not having the money to afford it in a private healthcare society.
@@yourlocalramen1660 In a private healthcare society, hospitals will compete to the max to provide lower prices, government regulation makes it uncompetitive.
@@AnimMouse yes. because when you get shot, the first thing in your mind is to shop around hospitals trying to find the cheapest surgery...
still kinda looking forward to this 'healthcare ' ''plan'' ...
I cannot comprehend not having free or affordable healthcare. You enter politics to serve the people, a good way to serve the people is to try and make them not die.
how to solve obamacare? Keep the same policies , just rename it republicanCare.
They just dont like the word or name Obama.
The name is not the problem though. The name is actually The Affordable Care Act. Republicans named it "ObamaCare" since they wanted to make it less popular. There are legit people in the USA who hate "ObamaCare" and like The Affordable Care Act, not knowing they are literally the same thing.
Public option would be better, or even single payer.
Read Ezra Klein's full article here: www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/9/14206052/obamacare-replacement-mcconnell-trump
Watch former President Obama's interview with Ezra Klein and Sarah Kliff about Obamacare: ua-cam.com/video/V7eqoL18zwg/v-deo.html
You guys are so beyond biased it is incredible.
alonzo slade the truth is always biased my friend
Vox the reality is that they don't have to give a better plan, they just have to sell the idea that whatever they are gonna do is better
The word biased has been thrown around so much it lost all meaning.
You can't just say something is biased and not offer any kind of explanation.
What was biased about it?
QOOQ8808=== he is his drinking the Kool Aid he has no capacity for anything else
As a republican I can tell you my major problem with Obamacare is his so called "affordable" healthcare costs me $2,000 a month. Up from the $400 a month before the ACA was enacted. There is absolutely nothing affordable about affordable healthcare. Not only is it now my biggest monthly expenses, it has cost me more than $100,000 since I signed up. "Affordable" healthcare has literally made me broke.
Americas health system in a nutshell.
Can't blame the US for investing in its military instead of Healthcare since they gotta compensate for weak allies
Very honest video.
Thank you for producing this, seeing what Mitch McConnell is saying about the Affordable Care Act I entirely agree. I would love for more Americans to be covered at a lower cost. The fact that he has no plan insight while still wanting to repeal the Affordable Care Act is what is truly terrifying.
Having someone else pay your bills is not a human right.
@Bruni
no, rights are to protect a person/entity
some rights protect from more than the government.
4:11 I can't not think of that Austin Powers meme of Dr Evil and his goons laughing.
I feel like things would be different if they refer to it as the Affordable Care Act instead of "Obamacare". "We are getting of the Affordable Care Act" sounds much worse than "We are getting rid of Obamacare". Heck, there are plenty of people out there who don't know that they are the same thing
I think this simplified republican ideology too much and made it seem like they want health care to be expensive; a better way to phrase their position is that they believe the free market can do a better (and more cost efficient) job of insuring the largest number of Americans possible. Deregulation(if done properly) leads to easier entry into the market and more competition which lowers prices. Also, if the federal government allows companies to expand their risk pools this will push deductibles down. It seems somewhat fallacious to say that removing regulation will cause deductibles to rise without at least citing why this would be the case.
Ps. I beleieve deregulation would only work if barriers to enter the insurance market were eliminated in all the states. In our current oligopolistic situation I agree that deregulation could prove problematic.
it would be ignorant for me not to point out, however, many of our representitives on both sides are more crony capitalist than libertarian so maybe they do want to raise deductibles haha
Except we had the free market solution before the ACA and it was really awful, worse than the ACA era.
krim7 Not really, I had healthcare before but it is now cheaper to pay the fine than to get a check up.
"Bill Klein, no relation [...]" made me chuckle a bit.
Love Vox, but we gotta move away from referring to Democrats as "Us" and Republicans as "Them"
What people don't understand about countries with single payer healthcare - you still get to choose a private clinic (and sometimes it is partly paid by the same tax money).
Something I don't get is how people think that REPUBLICANS would be ok with insurance for all. It's like the opposite of their shtick- they're all about be self-sufficient and 'pulling your socks up'. How was this not obvious to Americans? I'm not even American and I know that...
Well Raegan, the president most people think of now-a-days as one of the most conservative presidents, raised taxes on the wealthy so these things aren't etched in stone they do change. I don't like Raegan that much he was mediocre at best BUT he is a good example of change in American politics in general.
Instead of repealing it. Why not amend its flaws to make it better?
Because the republican slogan is "My way or the highway"
Please correct the title. It should read, "Americans have many problems with Obamacare."
The list can start with:
1., Health care premiums are unaffordable from this, "affordable care" law.
2., Co-pays are outrageously high for citizens and are unaffordable in total.
3., Meeting the out-of-reach deductibles per individual and/or family are impossible. Obamacare makes us self-insured because, not only are we are paying the monthly premiums, but we're paying for visits, procedures, and medicines.
4., "Death Committees" are built-in to the legislation so the elderly will be denied necessary procedures if they reach the cut-off age.
5., The administration group running Obamacare is operating at a deficit, thus adding to our National Debt.
Deficit.
6., Etc.
7., Etc.
Obamacare could have been fixed, patched and made better over the years but the GOp refused to lift a finger.
krim7:
Thank goodness the excuses and blame game of the Left will be on hold for 4 years. Obama didn't need approvals from anyone. He drafted over 200 executive orders to get what he wanted.
If nothing else for the next 4 years, please take notice there will not be any blame game going on for dismal and ineffective new policies.
Michael David But its true, and the crazy thing is with the exception of abortion, we want the same thing . . . . . hmm
THRIQUILLED want the same thing? you want health care to be mandatory while most conservatives want it to be a choice.. how is that anything close to the same thing?
There are limits to executive orders. You can't make laws with them, hence why he needed congress to pass the law in the first place. His executive orders had to do with running his agencies, not making new laws.
The republican controlled congress continually voted to repeal, and stood there ground to not improve it as to hope for it's demise.
The truth is, the Republican platform is that it believes that health care isn't something that should be a right of all people, and that the government shouldn't get involved. Which runs counter to what Trump has been promising. They will NOT deliver something better, and if they do, it will be a major shift away from the party platform in order to not piss off there constituents and loose seats in the mid terms.
They have yet to get behind a plan. We are all waiting.
Seeing the comments on this video really makes me sad. Americans who have an opinions on one thing are calling their fellow Americans with different opinions dumb and stupid. Elections were not made to split a country in half, people are overthinking how their president is going to effect their own lives. This is should not even be aloud anymore and it is finally time to stop!
America needs universal medical care funded nationally through taxation. Did you know that our British NHS, which covers everyone, costs just over A THIRD America spends? And that prescriptions cost under $10?
I like the statements at the end. Well-constructed and rhetorically influential sentences.
I can not wrap my head around the fact that:
1. The US doesn't have a public healthcare system
and
2. They don't WANT a public healthcare system!
I shouldn't get fined for choosing not have health insurance, that's my problem with Obamacare
I think you did a great job at presenting the information in an unbiased way. I am liberal and agree with Obamacare. But I can respect that Republicans have a different opinion on healthcare. I'm a pharmacy student and I know just how complicated healthcare is, and that there are so many different opinions on how to improve it. Let's try discussing this issue in a respectful manner, on both sides (:
I respect both sides, but for me, I'm a conservative because capitalism is tried and tested, socialism, I don't know.
@@AnimMouse we are not purely capitalistic and it’s not true. The US had the highest level of income inequality in the west
As a conservative, I support universal healthcare
Something Terrific - Single Payer
"What the republicans dont like and what the public doesnt like"... You are basically saying that the republicans are NOT the public...
Obamacare was a messy compromise that came out of the conflict between agendas of the two parties. You need to take a closer look at what happened in Canada, both with respect to drug costs and medical cost. Why not look at a system that is far more cost effective? The essence of that system is a single payer, putting a reasonable cap on what can be charged, of course restricting the freedom of providers to run up costs. Canadian physicians and other health providers are not completely banned from working outside the insurance system, but it is so much easier to bill public insurance that few physicians do it. Negotiations with physicians are based on total costs for the year, so the increasing usage that you see as our population ages is included in the deal. By allowing physicians to be private practitioners, they pay for nonunion outpatient nursing and clerical costs, another source of cost savings. Even drugs are dramatically cheaper. Until a political solution coming from real leadership happens, America will never be happy with their options. You need to expect more from your political leaders than angry rhetoric and failed communication. Try electing people who are willing to talk, compromise, and work together for something bigger than their parties.
fool they will pull the old democratic play book out and kick the can down the road . 🤕
I didn't vote for Trump nor do I agree with really anything he ever says. I've accepted with maturity that he's here though and I'm interested to see if he actually covers everyone. I'm guessing he won't though. Lol.
Why is it that Europe and Canada can do this right but we can't? I know people who live in Canada and Europe and they think America is crazy for not having universal health care. The fact is we have corporations running health care. This is always the reason why ObamaCare isn't working; you have corporations increasing the cost, and then goes down to the middle man. The governments of Canada and Europe own the Health Care system; which means your taxes you pay per month/year would got into a insurance of your choosing. Health is Health Care. You should have to choose a plan; there should be ONE for ALL! The rich get the same care of the field worker or factory worker. You need to go to Cornell Hospital for treatment? Sure! You need Stanford Medical Surgery? Sure! It should ALL be the same! Its not hard! Its really isn't. But America's mind set is " Its All About Me!" As American's we need to take care of each other. Once we start doing that; taking care of your fellow human being things might actually change.
3 years later, trump has been voted out and he has yet to show his healthcare plqn
Exactly 💯
Get an NHS, you absolute savages
this video was needed... thank you
4:27 "and what happens when voters find that out?"
Well in the case of Trump voters, they never admit when they've made a mistake, so I bet they'll say that the "Nothing" IS the terrific replacement for Obamacare.
@Michael Hawley mmmmmhmmmm
As a smart Republican friend of mine put it: "if you don't have the money to pay for insurance, then you have the right to die whenever you please."
I hear where they're coming from, out of a "Every person should be left alone as much as possible" stance.
But I think that interferes with the most basic clause in the constitution:
"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"
After all, if you go bankrupt paying for your mom's chemo treatment without insurance at age 28, you can't really expect that person to have a monetarily productive life.
You'll be crippled by debt or a bankruptcy claim for the rest of your life.
So, I'm open to conservative solutions, but I've yet to hear any that solve the "poor mom got cancer" problem (as I like to call it).
Please tell me if I'm missing anything.
Foreigner here......how does Obamacare actually work?
Also foreigner, but it goes something like this: Obamacare made it so insurance companies have to insure you even if you are really sick; Govt then gives you some money to pay for buying that insurance; they amount of money you get for buying health insurance depends on how much money you earn; the insurance companies can still charge what they want.
It was supposed to: lengthen the time you could stay on your parent's insurance plans, reduce discrimination in applying for insurance (for people with pre-existing conditions it could get insurance easier because before companies refused them) and most importantly the individual mandate which requires everyone to have insurance or a fine. Because more people would sign up the prices would lower for all. However a couple years ago the mandate backfired and people choose the fine and left causing premiums to rise.
Nafehur Rahman Khan People choose a premium (monthly payment) of $150, $250, etc. Higher premium means less deductible and higher copay %. A doctor visit is $150. Health insurer negotiates it down to $110 or $100 depending on your premium. You pay $20 or $10 now and pay the remaining $90 end of year. A hospital visit is $4000, negotiation, so on. Why billed $90? Because your deductible is $5000 or $2500, meaning you are responsible for this amount before the insurer copays (receives) 80%, 90% of your bills. If someone gets $1 million cancer treatment, overall cost becomes ($110k, $65k). Higher premium ("gamble" more) results in lower overall cost when needed. Without insurance, he owes $1M plus fines. ACA ("Obamacare") passed through a contentious Congress, stripped as compromise to the GOP and Independents (not Bernie), and needed improvements (lower premium, lower deductible, lower drug costs, ... ) for 6 years, but the GOP did nothing because they're heavily bribed and want America to fail miserably (shut down government, Republican Mitch McConnell filibustered his own bill in 2012), blame Obama, and promote a one party country to write religious laws, use trickle down economy again, "appeal" supreme court rulings, ... Note, ACA was written in the 90s by Conservative Republicans (not moderates) as a compromise to Hillarycare (Clinton's universal healthcare plan). Obama faced a split Congress so basically ACA passed with Democrat's improvements (prevent overpricing) scrapped. Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, and many Republicans praised the ACA before Obama, but now call it terrible because it passed under Obama and helps poorer red states making a Democrat presidency look good, they made sure to not improve it. ACA saved a lot of people with breast cancer, throat cancer, etc. Healthier poor people without employer healthcare don't want to pay in the meantime and want it repealed (risk having no healthcare to pay nothing).
Seems a bit complicated. In my country even if you have no money everything is paid. But I know that a model from one country can not be applied to another one that easily.
It doesn't
I love being Singaporean, we have CPF savings and medisave
No government health coverage. Eliminate Medicare and Medicaid. No government bailouts for hospitals when people don't pay their bills. Let the hospitals that cater to poor people shut down.
Let the hospitals require proof of insurance, payment in advance, or run a credit check before they even look at you. In a horrifying car accident and the EMT's leave your ID in the car? The hospital just leaves you on the curb. 'Murica!
0:26 ( 25+ millions of people are *NOT* covered ) that because only about 35 states have expanded the ACA through Medicaid. Had the other 15 States done the same, those 25 millions of people would've been covered.
when would u people grow up!? first to watch a video!! wow....great achievement!👏
I love Vox. Watching it and reading it. It is such a great channel. I love the way it is constructed
So what's it going to be? Worse healthcare or lower taxes? I thought conservatives were supposed to be the realistic pragmatics but suddenly they seem to want to have their cake and eat it too.
If they take out the clause that says Americans with preexisting conditions are ineligible, all hell will break loose.
Mitch McConnell spent 40 years cynically manipulating his way to the top, and now he theoretically has all he ever wanted - Republican control of all three branches of government. But he's been checkmated on healthcare and a number of other social issues that the country has moved past him on. He's 75 years old and the clock's running down on his career. Was it worth it, Mitch?
Let’s summarize what we have gotten for our money under Obamacare.
We have spent hundreds of billions of dollars already; we have massively increased the size of the federal budget.
We have subsidized insurance plans to get Americans to sign up for Obamacare.
We have penalized people if they don’t buy Obamacare (until that law was repealed).
But we still have almost 1 in 11 Americans without insurance.
Has there ever been a bigger public policy flop?
Health insurance is more expensive than ever.
Entitlement spending has exploded.
Americans are paying more money for less health coverage.
Obamacare has not stopped the stampede of rising health care costs.
Fewer insurance choices.
Medicaid enrollment is exploding.
Nearly 30 million Americans still uninsured.
The main problems with the ACA is the fact that its the most conservative proposal for healthcare reform, so Repubs are in bit of a tough spot in terms of how they go forward with a replacement.
Agreed, hence no GOP alternative plan 6 years and counting. In some distant future, when enough people suffer due to lack of health care, we may finally get single-payer.
They said 20 million people are Obama care , what about the 360 million Americans ?
Don't make health insurance mandatory. Having healthy individuals pay for insurance that they don't need is injustice.
What they are intending to do is to break down state by state coverage because under the current system every insurance company needs to build infrastructure in every state, which is a very costly process and it limits competition. If we break down these state by state rules and allow people do go across borders to purchase health insurance just as they do with life insurance it will create more competition and all insurance companies are selling the same thing, so there is very little that is proprietary. This means that the fundamentals of the free market apply to this scenario and therefore it would be highly probable for Americans to see lower deductibles and monthly payments.
*It was President Trump's idea to break down state by state coverage.
The most disingenuous thing is that the Senators and Congressmen are already covered by a wonderful single payer healthcare plan. They just don't want others to enjoy the same.
My premium went up 25% in 2016. It went up 149% for 2017. ACA is a nightmare for me.
VOX is obviously a liberal bias paid network... Trash.
The American Superman
In that case, what network do you suggest I go to, to get unbiased opinions and facts?
The American Superman From what I'm aware of yes they do have a liberal bias but they are still deemed factual and reputable
Vitor Silva If you cant watch this video and see the liberal bias then there is no point in attempting to have a conversation with you. I am republican and will not deny that fox leans right. I also wont sit here and ask you to provide facts about something that is so glaringly obvious.
Just because something has some partisan bias doesn't mean it's not factual/is trash. The Economist leans right, and has terrific analysis for exampple.
Vitor Silva Wikileaks showed evidence that VOX is part of the Clinton foundation.
The real question is, why don't voters know all this before casting their vote?
Or do just choose to ignore it so that they can vote for "their" party every time?
"What happens when the voters find that out" well...look up the term "gaslighting" and you'll have a pretty good look at what'll happen.
"...what happens when voters find that out..." - Nothing, because all that matters is getting the federal government to reduce it's unnecessary involvement in our lives. We are not Canada, Denmark or Belgium where a small group of people whose children all go to the same schools and mothers all shop at the same supermarket and can hold each other personally accountable. America is a huge country that is too big to efficiently govern at the federal level.
Turn healthcare over to the states. Let each state carry it's own burden. Besides that, the majority of our healthcare costs could be massively reduced simply by exercising more, walking more, eating less calories and not sitting down for so much of our lives. All we do as Americans is sit. In our cars, at our computers, in front of the TV. 8 hours of sleep plus 14-15 hours of sitting. We are the most obese nation on earth, it leads to an enormous healthcare problem, cost and stress. Not good.
The problem is that under Obamacare you are fined if you don’t have healthcare.
The problem with Obamacare is that it is a tax on poor people who cannot afford medical insurance.
The one of the first things President Trump did was repeal the poverty tax.
The $2700 penalty was declared a tax when it was put before the Supreme Court as per Justice Roberts’ opinion on the case.
Which makes it unconstitutional because, as a tax, it was to be initiated in the congress, where all cash money bills are supposed to originate. The Affordable Care Act was initiated in the Senate.
If you like your doctor, you can... uh - keep your doctor. Said by Obama at least a hundred times... There was no vision for the people, it was a vision for a legacy.
As a nation that spends nearly three times as much other developed nations on health care, I'd expect that we'd have a system covering every single human in the country three times better than the competition, but somehow it's the opposite, and our politicians in power are not doing anything about it.
Here is my alternative plan:
- Set up a public minimum healthcare insurance that covers the basics for everybody
- People may choose to pick another insurance and the state will subsidise it with this minimum amount
- Set up a public option that competes with other insurers (the public option has to be payed for above the minimum coverage)
- Only the public option can by law negotiate drug prices from drug companies and import drugs from abroad
And from these basics you can fix a lot of the problems of the US healthcare system.
Healthcare is not something the government should provide, it is something you work to afford. If you need free healthcare or want to give free healthcare to others, donate to charities that provide that.
Mitch McConnell makes me sick, pretending to care about poor, uninsured people when all he wants to do is line the pockets of his donors in the insurance industry.
"And what happens when voters find that out?"
Nothing. they don't care about facts
I'm a Republican, and while I do admit the GOP hasn't been specific on what it plans to do, Obamacare isn't exactly on the ball either. In my town several employers either closed or dropped out of Obamacare, the expense too great. We ought to know by now that whenever the government gets involved, the result is disaster. In the words of Ronald Reagan, "Government isn't the solution to the problem. Government IS the problem."
I’m a progressive. I don’t like the ACA. We need universal health care
As a registered lifelong Democrat, I would like to ask my fellow Democrats a question. Why have health insurance premiums skyrocketed for Hard working American business owners? The poor pay next to nothing, which is fine, however is it fair the middle class business owners shoulder that responsibility?
Trump at least, at Least tried to help us by cutting the red tape removing restrictions on insurance companies soliciting in multiple states therefore increasing competition and LOWERING premiums. .
Today's mainstream media is too focused on sports Russia Kardashians Trump, ect instead of real problems.
Real problems need real solutions.
I've lived the experience, know what I'm talking about. Fellow Democrats here running their mouths on this issue, without any research, facts or experience makes me sick. Any able-bodied, non disabled person living off the fat of the land, while the hard working business owners out there putting in capital, time, resources, have to pay for these lazy bums, Republican or Democrats.
The Republicans are finding out it's easier to be a barking dog than to deliver the mail.
The problem is that it's called ObamaCare! If the media called it the Affordable Care Act it would have much more support!
You know, in my United States Government course in college, 1 thing my professor taught us was that we in the U. S. don't have a "perfect government" but rather we have "the least imperfect government." What he meant by this was that no government on Earth is perfect/without problems, but the United States is considered by many to be the greatest country not because we have no problems but because we have fewer/smaller problems when compared to the governments of the rest of the world. Another thing he said (which the international students in my course agreed with) was that unless you have seen/been affected by a foreign government in some way, you can't make a true comparison between our government and another nation's, and you fail to realize how much better off you are with the U. S.'s problems when compared to the rest of the world. I bring this up because I feel that the Republican's issues with the Affordable Care Act/ObamaCare are the same as what my college professor said about our government; the A. C. A./ObamaCare isn't perfect, but it is the least imperfect form of health insurance we have ever had (given how only 1 party wanted to work on it), and despite the Republicans best (or any) efforts over the past 8 years, there is nothing they can do to make the A. C. A./ObamaCare better without making at least 1 part of it worse. Regardless how you feel about it, the A. C. A./ObamaCare has helped nearly 25 million (or 1 out of 14) Americans by now guaranteeing them some form of health insurance. If the Republicans (who in 8 years have made little to no progress on making an actual replacement plan) repeal the A. C. A./ObamaCare, then millions of poor/working class Americans will be screwed by the politicians who they trusted to make policies and laws with the interests for the good of their voters. As this video has shown, no matter what the (hopefully sooner than later) replacement plan is, they can't make every good thing better, remove every bad thing, and not increase prices/taxes all within the same plan, so Republicans either have to admit they have no real backup plan and just move on or actually work with Democrats and admit that the A. C. A./ObamaCare is good but can be improved but only through compromise before their voters finally realize that Republicans don't really care about them and they decide to vote for Democrats in 2018. Oh and 1 more thing, in that photo of Paul Ryan and the other Republicans laughing, did any1 else have a flashback to the Austin Powers movie where Dr. Evil and the other villains were laughing, slowly stopped, then had no idea what to do next? Well, if Republicans decide to repeal without a replacement, then that scene will represent the situation the Republicans will have put themselves in.
I'm a bit shocked that they said that many Trump supporters want redistribution of wealth. I myself, as a Republican, don't know anyone who says that...
That's the issue, Republican law makers spend the whole time pointing out flaws in Obamacare, which absolutely does have some flaws but they fail to propose anything close to a comprehensive and viable alternative that would solve its issues or improve upon it, quite the opposite in fact. It's akin to a family wanting to tear down their home before even having the blueprints for the new one.
As a conservative, let me just say that for once, Vox is pretty much spot on. Our problem with Obamacare has nothing to do with the fact that it doesn't insure everyone. Our problem is that we just simply don't believe that the government should be involved in healthcare at all. Vox is also correct here that most voters don't agree with us on that point, which is why most of our leaders (like Trump, Ryan, and McConnell) lie about it instead of just telling the truth. The only conservative leader I can remember who actually expressed our true position on this point was Ron Paul, and look what happened to him.
That being said, I do have to make one final point which is that just because most voters don't agree with us it doesn't make us wrong, it just makes us unlikely to win elections. And if any liberal wants to argue to the contrary, just remember that many conservatives have won elections by wide margins in the past, so even you would have to believe that most people are wrong some of the time.
I hate it when people compare healthcare here to the universal free healthcare in Canada.. the same system won't work when the state of California alone has more people than all of Canada.
Let's just take a moment to appreciate the evil genius of getting people to call it "Obamacare" in the first place. I consider myself an open-minded person, but I admit my gut reaction would be to reject something called, say, "Palincare" or "Bushcare". I'd like to think I would then examine the legislation dispassionately, but who knows? Confirmation bias is a powerful thing. Some people still don't know that Obamacare and the ACA are one and the same, and risk losing their insurance because of it. I've seen these people heckled here, on facebook, and on Twitter. For SHAME! Here we liberals have a golden opportunity to bring some conservatives over to our point of view using facts, and we waste it with name-calling.
I know they won't but, single payer government funded, free at the point of service health care is really the best solution to this mess.
free market competition with little government intervention is the only thing that can bring prices down.
It's difficult for me to criticise public health care because the country I live in has free to minimum cost health care system and as such I've always perceived it to be something that every citizen has a right to.
Not a fan of the unsubstantiated claim that increased privatization (which would lead to increased competition, probably across state lines) would actually increase deductibles.
So you refute it with your own unsubstantiated claim that the free market solves everything? Insurers previously had no reason to even accept those with pre-existing conditions.
I think it's naive to believe that more privatization would automatically lead to more competition, especially for a complicated service like health care. Allowing cross state lines would just encourage for-profit companies to consolidate, carve out regional monopolies, and "move" the company to the state with the least regulations (i.e. not in the interest of the consumer).