How does a six-wheeled F1 car work? - The Tyrrell P34
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2019
- There are many iconic F1 cars from down the years but not many can match the quirkiness of the Tyrrell P34, the only car to have raced and won in F1 with more than four wheels! Mike takes us through what makes this six-wheeled F1 car so special and how it works.
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I was fortunate enough to buy a P34 several years back. It's one of my all time favorite cars, along with the Paxton turbine Indy 500 racer and the Cord L29. Every time I look at it, I can't help but smile that I managed to get one.
It may be a Hot Wheels but it's a Tyrrell and it's all mine.
Right on! I still have an AFX G-Plus Tyrrell!
@@Splattertube as do i....plus a tamiya 1/20th one
I used to have one
Now it gone sadly
ngl you got me in the first half.
Yo tengo una colección casi completa en 1/43 🙂
*Clicks on video about an F1 car with 6 wheels*
_"This is a farm. It has cows, sheep..."_
That's about as far as I made it before pausing.
I was waiting for someone tell you how you too can become a millionaire online for free.... I wasn't disappointed mind lol
I made it to "But this isn't just..."
Seriously, i have nothing personal against this guy, but sounds like narrating isn't his thing.
ceeuuwwws
Ah, the P34. The vehicle that was eventually developed into the P45 that we know and love.
Which was later developed into a P51 which we also know and love.
@@zer0bre Which was later developed into the P3N15 that we know and love.
@@ClonesDream Speak for yourself. :D
The team then lead the P3N15 into development of the PU55Y which then produced a whole new baby altogether.
Actually No Thay are Not redeveloped Each New Season Begins with completely New stand alone Developed freshly Designed cars The old ones are retired and sold after each season and brand new Products are built as replacements that uslizes Fresh data learned during the off seasons The idea is to evolve the sport not to redevelop old cars
what was your memory ?
Jody Scheckter : it broke a lot
:v
Wheres James May dangit? Anything that has something mechanically interesting should be explained by May.
May is the Attenborough of the car world
I like Mike too
Probably filming the grand tour
Eh I like how they've developed a community of contributors around the big 3
CJ They finished season 3, that was the last season in the studio. They’ve started making the grand tour season 4 but it is only going to be special episodes:
www.google.com.pk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1162177/The-Grand-Tour-season-4-spoilers-Jeremy-Clarkson-Amazon-Prime-release-date-filming-news/amp
Looks like someone doesn't know how an audio compressor works on your team haha. I'm pretty sure you set it to upward compression (making louder parts even louder) instead of doing the opposite.
I could see the video just fine.
@@jackmeoff7686 it`s the audio he`s talking about😂
Was thinking the same such dramatic drops in between 😂
Atomic I’m blind and just watch the videos I can’t hear things
@@jackmeoff7686 seems good
I never get tired of hearing those glorious tunes coming from a DFV FORD
Imagine getting bored at home then being able to take this beast out for a spin 👌
I love this kind of innovation... which is so strictly controlled in F1 now I’m surprised they have different coloured paint.
Wonder if there's any regulation about having no paint. Saves weight after all.
@@callummclachlan4771 you don't work at Williams by any chance?
Can hear that thick South African accent from anywhere. Local is lekker.
He reminds me a lot of How Tolkien spole But more south african
Was looking for this comment
Amandla! Always pleasant to see our South African champion!
To this day I vividly remember Jody and this car at Watkins Glen. I was 16, sitting in the bleachers by "the bog" in perfect Autumn weather watching as the cars would appear over the crest of the hill from the bottom of the boot and brake for the corner that takes them back up to the current NASCAR track. Everybody did it more or less the same. All of a sudden here comes Jody over the crest and he's already pitching it sideways 150-200 yards before the corner. I mean REALLY sideways, like a dirt modified at Flemington. When he passed directly in front of us, all I could see was gearbox. By the third lap of this, you could hear people down the course yelling "Here he comes!" (Can you imagine? We could hear them over the noise of F1) And there was no doubt who "he" was.
I was on the pit roof. Froze my ass sleeping in my car. Saw snow flurries Saturday morning. Good old days!
I post this comment before watching the video. I assume some engineers went to the pub, drunk pints until they got muddled when someone said: "Why don't we add wheels to improve grip."
My favorite about ELF is when engine management systems were introduced..ELF couldn't afford all the fancy new tech..but what they could and did do was to mount an electric jammer in the car..It took forever before the Stewards figured out WHY every time all the "Hot Cars" went into a corner with ELF, they would shut down...Brilliant..
Awesome behind the scenes view! Thank you! Great work!
I always learn something with Mike! Thanks
So cool you got to start it up! Thanks Jody! I know how much work that is.
I love that Jody decided to keep a lot of his cars, not many drivers care to do that anymore. This wasn’t the best of cars, it was unique, and Jody kept it, that’s awesome!
"I've got understeer!!" "On which wheel??!"
this is first time in a long time i sat down and was genuinely interested in the video im watching and learning so much !
Thank you for posting!
I remember watching the P34 race. Loved watching the P34 race.
Waited for this video for so long!
A thing of beauty is joy forever, its loveliness only increases
This was and still is my all time favorite F1 car. I wish I had the chance to see it race. Thanks.
They ran this in a historic race in Austin one year. It didn't last the entire race.
Saw them finish second at the Glen and Mosport in '76. Very neat cars.
One of my favourite F1 historic cars.
It would have done much better with today's tyre technology. Pity.
Loved this vehicle back in the day...
Such an awesome looking F1 car.
So interesting to hear the story behind this fantastic cars.
On later models of the 6 wheel Tyrrell there were perspex windows in the side of the car which was actually great to watch because you could see the drivers' legs moving as they pushed the pedals. At the time I remember someone from Tyrrell saying that they did it because one of the drivers came into the pits during testing, complaining that the front of the car was a bit "loose". It turned out that one of the 4 front wheels had dropped off, so they put the windows in so the driver could check that all the wheels were there.
Great era, great car, great driver 👌
Really hope cars like this could race again. Right now almost all cars look the same with the same tech. There’s less excitement. Less innovation. Racing is also about new daring tech.
I had a model racing car set with this car in it in the 70's. Always thought it looked so cool...
I had the AFX slot car in the mid 70's one of my favorite's
I also had one on my TYCO set! It was badass!
Patrick Depailler finished second behind James Hunt at the 1976 Canadian Grand Prix,i recall that the public announcer on Sunday morning pleading with the fans to return a stolen tire!
It actually makes sense that this car would be more stable while sliding/drifting than standard 4 wheel cars, since it has 4 wheels up front providing more of a contact patch to help push the car in the desired direction.. I wonder how well a set up like this would work with an actual drift car lol
No shit sherlock
The thing is that you don't really get more of a contact patch, the contact patch is defined by the pressure of the air in the tyre and the amount of weight that tyre is supporting. You could get more contact patch by simply lowering tyre pressure on a single tyre rather than using a pair. Not to mention the added complication and the fact that drift cars need as much steering angle as possible which would be adversely affected by multiple wheels.
The Tyrell was simply a way to skirt the rules surrounding tyre size and it didn't really work at all.
the p34 wasnt six wheeled for a larger contact patcg, it was six wheeled for aerodynamics
I had a model of this car when I was a kid. So cool!
Awesome vid!
I'm building a scale replica P34 right now. Such a unique car.
I had a toy of this car when I was lil. Back in the 80s kids played with toys. Now kids are on the internet. LOL what an awsome ride. And to see it in full size crazy!!!
Such an iconic car!!!
Hoooooly cow, the engine sounds mad!
I like it!!
Yep - they had proper engines back then. None of this hybrid nonsense. ;-)
“Car no.3 under stewards investigation for possible breach of regulations”🤣nowadays
Awesome video never heard of it before
This guy’s voice is the audio equivalent of watching paint drying.
Strangely Specific....(ಠ_ಠ)>⌐■-■
Absolutely, can't stand this guy/
1:24 The little spider at the lower right of the floor agrees ;)
I think he realised that he wasn't on his mark
its a leaf, how do you mistake that for a 6-legged monstrosity
@@zian1182 I think you'll find that it's eight legs me old tiger
Tarvu fuck
@@zian1182 Spiders are eight legged 🕷
"My style was generally oversteer." Ha ha ha ha. Anyone here ever see Jody Scheckter drive? Holy crap, the guy spent whole laps sideways. He was great to watch.
David Plazak *EUROBEAT INTENSIFIES* 😂 👍🏻
Wow that Scheckter, such charisma.
As a young lad back then this car was the most sought after car in ANY model form.
That thing is cool as hell
Jody is a great guy, and a great driver back in the day
this 6 wheeler and lotus side skirt is quite mind blowing
That Walter Wolf car ! .please come back to that and the others .... i had the Scalextric car back in the 80's ..
This is the first time ive ever heard of a 6 wheeled f1 car, cool
That one Phineas and Ferb episode where this car was driven by Doofenshimrtz also featured the trio as race commentators
Dragstrip from “The Transformers” was also this
This seems so cool. Wouldn’t be my choice as an F1 driver but the engineering is still sooo cool!
Great piece of f1 history! And some amazing engine pourn at 2:51 😀
Must have been a kick to hear the sound of this baby!
I would like to ask: pls can you also visit the car collection of Jackie Stewart? Also a farm as I understand;)
I remember seeing a poster on a wall of that car in 1976. First F1 exposure.
That, is a beautiful car!
It was never about the grip. It was done purely for aerodynamics.
I've read the team found regular size front tires messed up the airflow to the rear wing. Reducing their diameter and tucking them behind the front wing solved this. But the smaller tires didn't have a big enough contact patch so they doubled them up, hence the six wheel design.
This is what annoys me about both the video and the comments. More surface area does not mean more grip, surface area is not part of the equation of friction!
@@vinno97 No, but the ground pressure is. Lowering your ground pressure reduces wear.
Cross ply tyres ballooned with the centrifugal forces at high speed, and caused the front of the car to lift. Small front wheel combatted that, but had to be doubled up to maintain contact patch. The design was indeed about aerodynamics, but not frontal area as many people blindly claim.
@@willbeasy2898 There's another important point they don't talk about so often. It's the shorter wheelbase, that made the car very agile almost like a go-kart.
BTW here's a selection of the best videos on the P34, all in on place :
racingislifestyle.blogspot.com/2020/11/tyrrell-p34-6-wheeler-f1-car.html
my fav f1 car
i love this car
The contact patch was exactly the same as the other cars so there was no grip advantage, if anything a disadvantage because Goodyear stopped developing tyres midway through the season
This: At the same pressures, the patch will merely redistribute the mass over a similar contact area. The shape of that contact patch is what changes based on tire geometry.
Pasaran los años pero su diseño sigue siendo distinto y el primero que rompio las reglas. Grande Tyrrell
As I understand it, more rubber on the road does not exactly mean more grip. It does give a higher chance of grip in adverse conditions (in this case also giving a greater chance that a wheel is in contact with the road when it gets bumpy) and increases the amount of stress a tire can take before failing. However my journey to understand friction is ongoing.
F1 was more creative then now. I love P34 ❤
The reason why the idea failed was poor support from Goodyear on the tire development. It was always a top five finisher.
2019 regs: Wheels must be this and that with these tyres and that tyres etc., yawn
1970's regs... make a fast car
yh the good old days
Drivers dying every other year or so, same same money buys wins garbage, blatant cheating...
I agree with you in principle, but the teams need lawyers specialising in engineering to interpret the current rules.
If we just had the relatively vague rules of the seventies we would have non stop legal debates about exploiting loopholes in my opinion.
Well, you ain't gonna get to the moon wearing a safety vest. We don't do great things anymore because no one wants to take real risk. A ship in the harbor is safe, but that is not what she was built for. Racing does need fewer regulations. You may be surprised what we could achieve.
Timothy King you ain’t getting there on a pile of fireworks and a match either. You don’t need a safety vest, you need a spacesuit...
It's part of my weirdo F1 designs car collection :) model ones that is... :) Miss this day where the track was really a place where everyone tested new stuff and radical ideas.
My all time favorite F1 car. I still have a Burago 1:14 die cast of it.
thats my car, it's got my name on it!
They have the McLaren senna windows so you can see the wheels and apex. Fancy!
no... the senna has the P34’s windows
Tyrrell raced 4 front wheel again in 1996. OK, not 6 wheels in total but 4 front wheels. One on each corner. For the German GP, they replaced the rear wheels with the front wheels. Remember, back then, the Hockenheim Ring wasn't neutered. So Tyrrell figured that running the front wheels at the back would be an aerodynamic advantage at Hockenheim with its long straights. I recall Tyrrell had to modify the floor at the back to accommodate the skinnier wheels. And remember, Tyrrell also had the solid upper suspension wishbone on their 1996 car.
But Tyrrell only ran the 4 front wheel set up during practice. Don't remember why they reverted back to the conventional set up for the race. Maybe they didn't find an advantage? Or the FIA said no? 🤷♂️
Drivetribe, i realy enjoy watching your videos. I don't want to sound rude, but you have to work on your sound so everyone can also enjoy listening to it too. Continue the good work though ! Greetings from France.
The Tyrrell was certainly one of the most outlandish F1 cars ever but the Wolf WR* in Jody’s collection has to be, for my money, the most beautiful F1 car ever made
Wow, the epitome of a bad interview-ee. Textbook wet blanket
Frontal area wasn’t the driving factor behind Derek Gardner’s design, it was actually something he skimmed over which is the lift of the tyres. This was before radial tyres had be introduced into f1, and normal crossply tyres would change shape and grow in diameter because of the centrifugal forces at high speed, i.e creating lift. Now obviously a smaller tyre means less lift, which means more consistent ride heights and a more stable aero platform. Part of the reason the car never met it’s full potential was Goodyear never put serious development into the small 10” tyres, meaning they were never to the standard of the regular sized tyres.
Cool episode. About 4:29 I thought that white thing behind you was one of those things that skimmed across water very fast =P
this guy sounds like that other guy on youtube that challenges himself to learn new skills in the shortest time possible
5:19
very much agree!
I'm really annoyed by the fact that for the 2021 regulations they even had/have task-groups to challenge the regulations to see if anyone could find loop-holes.
Looser regulations even give smaller teams a chance, because anyone can have a great idea regardless of how much money they have. But with strict regulations it's just about solving an optimization problem with tight boundaries which is simply done by throwing more time (=money) at it.
They should allow this sort of innovation again, I don't think the 4 rear wheels were the best, but the 4 in the front would be great to see again.
My fave Scalextric!
OMG I was building them with LEGO when I was a kid!!
jody has a nice little collection in his shed...
Imagine the pitstop!! Seriously one of my top five favourite f1 cars....nigels 85 Williams. The first brabham bmw. Sennas 1988 McLaren Honda and Jensons Brawn.....
I preferred the March Ford 6 wheeler, which had just 2 wheels at the front and 4 smaller wheels at the back😎👍
A very interesting evolutionary dead end.
I love the Elf Tyrrell P34 but any other car nut notice the Walter Wolf Formula car?
Yes, and I saw it race at Long Beach California
Saw the Wolf win at Mosport in '77.
I remember buying one of my first RC cars, and I opted to get this car. It was awesome and turned heads as I’m sure the actual car did..... I should have held on to it, just for the looks. Sadly I tossed it after the steaming servo locked up and the wheels would only stay at a turning position. (This was before my TAMIYA/FUTABA Years)
When I was young boy in the 80ies me and my brothers got RC car version of P34 as Christmas present (it was shared by the three of us).
The plastic frame was pretty accurate copy with plenty of details and the model was quite big (~30cm long) and I still remember how cool this design was with the four front wheels turning together. But I never saw P34 racing in the F1 because Finnish TV didn't show F1 racing back then.
It was really nice to see the real P34 up close and to hear the story behind it. Big thanks to Drivetribe team for making this video!
was that a giant spider at 1:25 ? Just about jumped out of my chair.
i remember that car years and years ago.
Open wheel racing has changed so dramatically... wasn't long ago when attrition ruled the day, both in IndyCar and F1.
Accompanying the attrition... there was dominant wins whereby one particular driver/car was essentially un-touchable at a given time.
Anyone else fixated on how the dude pronounces wheel?< Hwheel>....No? Just me? Ok then
greenified22 would you like some cool hwip?
greenified22 The intro where he says “cows” gets me 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
My ex-girlfriend was Scottish, so the English language was always taking a beating!
@@mattjones1992 hahaha. Yes Brian
4:50 ....he talks about constant invitation as the camera rotates around the engine that dominated Formula 1 for over a decade.
The designer has done an excellent job explaining it, but his explanation doesn't get used. The frontal area is determined by the outline of the car when viewed from the front. The front tires fit inside the outline of the rear tires, whether full sized or this size, therefore here was no reduction in frontal area. The concept was based on exposed front tires cause lift, which is countered by the front wing to hold it down, but the wing adds drag. By using smaller fronts behind a more aerodynamic nose, drag (not frontal area) was reduced, resulting in greater top speed at the end of the straights where most overtaking was happening. Tyrrell drivers did finish 3rd and 4th in the WDC, behind only Lauda and Hunt in a season that often had 28 cars starting each race, and more failing to qualify. It wasn't a failure, just not as good as two other cars.
Tom Hiett excellent 👍🏻
Correct, but I might add that reliability back then was terrible and often a factor in the championship.
still to this day my favorite F1 car.......really surprised Jody Scheckter has one as he reputedly hated it.
Best words ever... Can we start it up?
I've got an unbuilt model of one of those up in the attic!.
Check out the rouge spider wanting a piece of the camera scope at 1:25 :)
Now go and look at the Williams 6 wheeler, and I believe the Arrows as well. Traction!
I always loved the look and concept with this car, its a shame the technology couldn't be perfected. I wonder if they used something like aviation multi disc brakes which are specifically designed for the smaller diameter tires on business jets and more modern technology with the suspension system to keep the front tires in contact with the ground, would it work today.