Acts of Faith: Javed Akhtar, Shazia Omar, Tabish Khair, Mudar Patherya, Mir
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- Опубліковано 10 кві 2017
- Javed Akhtar, Shazia Omar, Tabish Khair and Mudar Patherya on the triple challenge of Islamophobia, stereotypes and radicalisation. In conversation with Mir Afsar Ali. Day three, January 27, 2017, Victoria Memorial, Kolkata.
Javed Akhtar starts at 29:08
I guess Javed Akhtar is allowed to get away with bullshit because he is Javed Akhtar. No Hindutva ideologue, RSS or even the fringe has ever said that Muslims are outsiders. Almost all of them argue that Indian Muslims are indigenous to India who were converted forcefully, hence the label "ghar wapasi". It is the Muslims who have an identity problem - some of them actually believe they might be descendants of Arabs! Very few Muslims actually converted because of the caste system. It might have happened in the case of Christianity or Buddhism but not Islam. Islam spread because of the sword, not because of its own Islamic ideas or caste system in Hinduism. There is no evidence to support Akhtar's outrageous claims. So many historians in the audience and not one corrected him.
Jitin Sharma thanks
best comment.. thanks..
Thnx bhai
@@ZaiidHamid he said the exact same thing
"We should become secular not because we are very good people but we should become secular because that's the matter of our survival" - Javed Akhtar.
Summary of the debate 👍
Very true👍
The fighters ran themselves to extinction, and the peacemakers are living and propagating
Really javed aktar? Then why not all the Islamic country around the world become secular when there are muslims in majority??? India is secular because muslims are not in majority. We are all aware the doctrine of al taqiya in quran and also know your pseudo nature and hypocrisy very well jabed aktar.
Well we survived 5000 years of a multicultural society with flourishing diversity of language, beliefs, customs, arts, science, theism and atheism without being secular. Unless secularism means separation of religion from education and politics and only means unlimited freedom for all religions to do whatever they want, it's not a matter of survival but a matter of future anarchy.
Javed Akhtar has Clarity of thoughts. And he knows how to convey his message.
Javed Akhtar must start a podcast video channel for his views!
Bro he is historically inaccurate.
@@navalfa7291 how can u elaborate
Listening to Javed sahab is always pleasure
The writer whose name Javed Akhtar is forgetting is Audrey Truschke who has written about Sanskrit in Mughal Durbar
I guess that you are young. When you catch up with ageing, you will realize about...forgetting as a natural happening.
All religions are man made. Some to harmonise society, some to manipulate .Mr Akhtar has given the best analysis.
Amazing wit by Javed sahib at 31:45: "you are a Shia, don't worry. Nobody is perfect!"
Every muslim should follow Javed akhtar. His thoughts will broaden their minds.
Islamisation & arabisation of any place takes humanity, culture & civilization of it.
And hinduisation too.
I wish we could have these kind of discussion in news rooms.
Criticism of Islam or any other religious doctrine is not any phobia
Javed sahab completely turned the tables and exposed the hypocrisy of both sides !
very thought stirring presentation by javed saheb. i wish him all the best, health, and happiness for all years.
A big woww! for Javed Akthar
Superb speech by Javed Akhtar. Very good thoughts.
Mudar Patherya waa brilliant as well.
i am sure there is none other than javed a great scholar and deep knowlege in bollywood
44:15 he's talking about which book?
The more I listen to him the more I become his ardant fan. He has deep insight into history, art, culture , religions apart from his trademark profession viz screen writer, lyricist. Above all he talks sense.
JAVED AKHTAR ....AMAZING AS USUAL ...HE IS BRILLIANT ..I recently came to know that he is atheist ...my respect increased 10 folds
Jabed aktar is a hypocrite and the world does know about his hypocrisy very well. If he's a real atheist despite maintaining the name jabed then he would have been killed by now by the fatwa of any Islamic mulla as per quranic cult. Jabed aktar married two women as per islamic law within India without divorcing anyone of them. Does all of this still make you think he's an atheist???
@@beahumanbeingfirst he didn't marry two women at once. Also he's an atheist and has repeatedly criticized Islamic extremism as well. I suggest you take a look at his work than making assumptions.
@@adwaitab.3622 True
Brilliant anchoring by Mir. Good discussion.
This world would become a better place if we were all agnostics.
The first world countries are increasingly giving women recognition and more and more people are getting away from church.
The problem with india is Hindus believe in nonsensical rituals, astrology etc.
Muslims are also devout unwilling to question.
Religion is not good for human development. Spiritualism maybe yes.
Buddhism doesn’t say my religion is superior to yours.
Note to Mr Javed Akhtar.
All religions doesn’t say my religion is better than yours.
Self paradoxical term, if all religious people does not say "my religion better than yours" then why you (the religious person) are part of that religion?
Think about it. I am sure you are capable of finding the answer.
Mir is very likeable host, good job bro 👍
Shazia Omar makes some good points but all that smiling while telling a terrifying tale of terrorism is a bit off.
Yoga UA-camrs are like that only. In 27:00 we can see her promoting herself. Good for her. I searched her channel. She goes by *"Shazzy Om"* 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Listing again 😊😊😊
Agree with Akhtar. Do you all realize he and Swamy said the same things from different vantage point?
I am a big fan of Shazia Omar.I read her book ' like a diamond in the sky'.
Javed Akhtar is a "Atheist" who thinks like a pro Muslim ;)
which sentence???
Agree
Very fresh perspective!
javed sahib you are a great human being.
No doubt
Wow, what a speech by Javed Sir... its true that more than 90% of indian muslims are converts, but still either they don't know their historical lineage or are ashamed to tell them
Proud of you Javed Akhter.
Nilu Roy proud of because of his caste theory in islam and aryan invasion theory ??
❤
Awesome debate, revield many facts .....
When Javedji was speaking and everytime the anchor raised his mike to interrupt, I wanted to snatch it away.
Loved Mudar Patherya's section...
Always pleasure to listen Javed shahaab!!!
Sorry. Not our views at all.
Lots of love for you Shazia Omar
Agree with every word & statement of Javed Akhtar..
Just mirroring the minds of million of Hindus, who want to decide themselves how much religion to practice.
I can be religious without attending Holi public gatherings and indulging in environmental pollution by burning dry leaves & branches in enclosed city dwellings, where O2 is so precious, without going to temples.and listening to mumblings in strange vedic languages, without understanding a single word, removing footwear for the sake of it, when your bare foot may be more unhygienic than the PVC or leather footwear you are wearing.
Society is full of religious hippocrats.
@1:00:00 I guess Javed Akhtar missed the question. Questioner asked in terms of increasing population and not the increasing religiosity. Well, as he said, no body is perfect.
Who all got a weird surprise at 11:00 😂
The host was amazing.
what happened to Salman Rushdie, why wasnt he invited.
A very good discussion
Superb literary meet
I choose intellect….
Javed is very clear!
@55:42.... i think javed sab meant Salman Khan.
Well we survived 5000 years of a multicultural society with flourishing diversity of language, beliefs, customs, arts, science, theism and atheism without being secular. Unless secularism means separation of religion from education and politics and foreign funding, and only means unlimited freedom for all religions to do whatever they want, it's not a matter of survival but a matter of future anarchy.
Om Shani to the Muslim bhai. U are a great humanitarian. I myself am a hindu but was raised by a Muslim family wen my left this world wen I was only 8mths old. So yes in the old days we were all one. Love tyour thought process. Hoping for world peace
I wonder what most people in comment section think of Javed now. I wish they could see now the one sided secularism of Javed. Anyway, have a nice day.✌️
56:48
See what happens in the background.
Hahahaha
44:45 True AF.
This was one man show , my favourite Javed Akhtar .
The person in the back, mast majje mai
Stage design is good craft
I like speeches of Javed. I also believe if God exists he/ she/ it does not reveal to anyone, does not give any brownie points for good behaviour nor subtract any for bad one, nor commands Jihad, nor orders conquests of land & women of unbelievers, nor condones slavery/ sex slavery, nor promises 72 virgins in after life
Unfortunately in life one has to select lesser of 2 or more evils. I do agree any absolutism is bad. But RSS is not as bad as Islamist is bad. I like what Javed does & I wish everyone was like him.
Democracy is a reasonable compromise. In any democracy it is perfectly rational position not wanting to live under Islamic precepts & Sharia law which are against human & women rights & rights of minorities ie homosexuals & women. It is not phobia & can not be classified as a some kind of mental illness & labelled as such. People who want to take part in a civilised discussion should not classify opinion of their opponent as phobia. They should take it with reason, fact & logic.
People including Muslims are afraid of Jihad or misogyny. Would you call it Islamophobia because it is against Muhammad’s Sunna the Gold standard practice of Islam for any Muslim.
Shaaziya.. Good speech
Javed bhai, I am a big fan, when I take over India you are going to be the PM, I am an atheist too, you are more Indian than most Hindus
Are bhai ethiests ki community banaao . Hum log ko empowerment ki zaroorat hai
Mudar pathreya has a great realistic approach!
Javed Sahib has talked a lot of sense.
You are stupid
41:55 When it comes to name bad person from Hindu community they have only one name - Nathu Ram Godse.
On the other hand we have thousand of such names.
Yup mobs don't have names.
love how they decorated the front of stage with flowers only to keep it open behind for us to see random people walking and languishing there :-D
I liked thought of all the members onnoanels. Their intention for origreessivev society is very fine. I emphasise Govt shud offer security to Mr. Javed Akhtar. He shud also be invited to courts police officers n men to enlightened them as he has clear picture about Muslim of India
Dear Global Friends,
Mind...thoughts
Eyes... sights
Ears... hearing
Mouth.. tastes
Nose... smell
Body... feelings
These six senses inwhich human beings possess is the best overall vehicle to seek for the original truth of their original pureself. Morality is the best remedy to purify these six senses without which no matter how intelligent one is wearing one's crown of the highest intellect of the mundane world one will not be able to comprehend the spiritual knowledge of the universe and beyond, and because of one's limited knowledge one is being blocked by one's egoism, haughtiness or any slightest iota of tangible and intangible thoughts of this mundane world. All these impurities must be fully purified.
Later all to be detached from the mundane world of the six desires and seductions.
Human beings have better opportunity than the divinities we pray as a respect but they don't have the six senses to cultivate to reach their realm of non rebirth. They need human beings co-operation in working together to achieve their destination.
Human minds are like monkey minds jumping about with unstable thoughts, hard to calm down. That's why it needs calmness and stillness meditation as what Indian called yoga meditation. The rest are physical exercises in various forms as not to spoil our health with sicknesses. If not we will be unable to achieve our mind, body and soul in unison to gain enlightenment. That's why health plays an important role.
Thank you for the sharing and with love to all beings.
38:41 vhp knows😂😂😂😂
55:30 was that bhoi reference ?😂😂😂..
Even i think so.....😅
Javed sahab .... absolutely legend 🇮🇳
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤,love for Javed sir, love you sir 😍😍😍
Javed akhtar 🙏🙏 🙏❤️
Proud hindu
But totally stand for India history
Secularism etc
Javed Akhtar Saab woo!
Javed Akhtar a diamond of India and everybody in the world
What happened to Javed's admiration for Taliban? Why is he still here?
He is one of the worst takers. Between him & his wife, they have raised their status with 5+ National awards from the GoI, but when they reached the end of their career, they are furiously exhibiting their anti national views and incitements. They did not follow Jinnah to Pakistan, but chose to enjoy the shelters of Hindus of Hindustan. Now spitting venoms at Hindus. Ashamed of such.
Shazia👍👍
Most muslims in . are takers rather than doers or givers. Well said.The typical victim card😱😱
We need more like you, positive impact!!
The Muslim angle of Bollywood culture ????😱😱😱
Javed to malignant ho chuka, does he realize that?
I agree everything with javed saab except saddan hussain and gadfafi part he said
Javed Sahab apni khud ki duniya me rehte hain.
Kuchh log bhi bade jaalim the, aur kuchh marne ka shauk hamein bhi tha !
Shazia Omar talks more sensibly.
Javed Saab.... Tusssssii Greattttt hoooo....
Javed Akhtar has taken too much of the time, almost the whole of it, reducing other panelists to being mere audience to his seemingly never-ending oration. This is terribly unfair, a one-sided affair that has reduced a panel discussion to a monlogue, however stimulating in intellectual content it may have been. Javed Akhtar has even of the cuff taken undue precedence in answering questions from the audience. It seems he has had a mistaken notion of the Meet and has taken it to be 'Javed Akhtar Literary Meet'. Moderation by Mir ought to have taken care of this unseemly anomaly. The audience has been thus deprived of a possible second or even third round of rollicking rolling discussion that would have added flavour to the Meet. In actual effect such a possibility has been waylaid by a single speaker of much knowledge that despite it has made a mockery of a Meet. Such self-centring of group discussion literally should not be allowed at a literary meet.
Jawed shahab always awesome ❤️
Awesome!!
on a lighter note shazia marine le pen is also woman...
Javed akhtar is best. Rest are just vesting time talking off topics. Waste of time with others including the coordinator to start with!!
nice
shazia is scary as hell... she was smiling the whole time while talking of terrorism... it gave me goosebumps... it was chilling to say the least... i had chills... and here she is talking nonchalantly about terrorism after three encounters with terrorism... she is not human...
Balbir Chauhan lol
He says all this only on stages but remind him deep within he is a cruel selfish man .. u shud v asked Amjad khan and Rishi Kapoor how vain this guy was in the 70s
52:10 Islamophobia is created from inside the (Muslim) community by people who want to control their community.
Well taught the other bacchas sitting here
I am proud u mr j akter
And Javed Akhtar calls himself an Atheist!!!!
Grow up kiddo
@@rahulgoswami3691 Grandpa, please enlighten us a bit?
Javed Akhtar... Respect!
Aktar at its best.....
56:41 सबसे इम्पॉर्टंट डिस्कशन टाइम पर जावेद साहब के पीछे एक आदमी सिगरेट जला रहा है. 🧐
On islamofobiya,ur panlst r really muslims?
Javed Akhtar is way ahead of time..... Salute
Really javed aktar? Then why not all the Islamic country around the world become secular when there are muslims in majority??? India is secular because muslims are not in majority. We are all aware the doctrine of al taqiya in quran and also know your pseudo nature and hypocrisy very well jabed aktar.
Turkey is a secular country, buddy
27:00 ব-goal 😂😜😝
good
Dear Shazia we have a woman leader here and hope you know the consequences. Also you have a woman leader in Bangladesh and you yourself admitting about 30 bloggers death and killing in bakery at Dhaka. So your speech was totally contradictory. Actually there is a difference about woman leader and woman politicians. Be very very specific about that.
Taliban ka admirer, abhi tak yenhi hai
JAVED took all the time and had others no chance to speak..
Woman in blue saree is so beautiful and dumb.
Aurangzeb developed Music?! Read history Mr. Akhtar.
there are and is ..five pillars of islam..from beginning...and jihad is not included...by the way..jihad means struggle against one own..bad habits...dear javed akhtar u r wrong
Bhai usne bahut kuch padh rakha hai .
abhinav nigam bhai yahi .toh problem hai...bohot kuch padliya..par kuch samajh nahi paaya☺️☺️☺️😊
@@mohammedsafansubhani4333 haan bhai bahut hi mand buddhi kism ka i san hai
take no offence ..but this explanation we hear every time whenever the issue of jihad comes.Problem is we are not misusing the term jihad ...and people start explaining to non Muslims .Why not a single Muslim cleric declare or issue so called "fatwa" that using Jihad for murder or bombing or taking up arms is not allowed in quran and the muslim perosonel law board which regulates every aspect of how one should live remain silent and keep explaining to non muslims.
about hindu fundamentalism ....the major opposition that it faces comes from within the own community.Otherwise with the numbers they have got i guess no one can stop them
Yes no society or community is perfect and everyone has flaws but the changes comes from within .
It doesn't matter how much you explain meaning of jihad to non muslim ..we are not using it ..so explain it to them who are misusing them
THIS MIR CALLS HIMSELF A PRACTISING MUSLIM but wears a EAR RING ON HIS EARS " oeey stupid man, that is a haram to wear bangles and ear rings by muslim . any jewellery any ornament is haram because it's part of statutes." he feels he can speak little "tuttie futtie English" is called an artist in Bengal .
Idiot spotted