“You don’t belong here, you *never* did” Gotta feel for miles in that moment, he’s spent this whole movie searching for acceptance from these people who he aspires to be like, only to be rejected by them in the most harsh way possible.
and the speech Rio gave him before he go after Gwen gave him strength. Is interesting how every thing she said to him to be careful about is what happened to him across the spider verse
I’m gonna be honest even if Miguel was right his ridiculing and beat down of Miles (who is a kid) is incredibly harsh to where I question his mental state. He says all this stuff about “if the spider never bit you none of this would have happened” as if Miles chose to be bitten by the spider and chose to let his world’s Peter die. I feel like Miguel just sees a contradiction to the canon event logic he lives by and hates it as it implies that his family’s death wasn’t a set in stone thing because of his mistake. What I mean by Miles being a contradiction is that his Peter wasn’t supposed to die and yet his world hasn’t been completely dissolved. If a minor change to the “uncle ben” or “captain stacy” parts of the story are enough to wreck a whole world then shouldn’t the person who was supposed to live through those events dying mean its all over?
@@CyberSonic-V3.0 Fun Fact, when spot talks about the spider, we see that it's behind Miles' at a desk, so... pretty sure they're gonna reveal that *a* Miles Morales was always meant to be Spider-Man.
@@Rougeification Probably though it’ll probably also be thrown at Miguel’s face on why the canon event theory is not the definitive way for things to go
Miguel's role in the movie was so well-done. His near-bursting rage throughout the movie kept me at the edge of my seat, and there were a lot of times where I actually feared for Miles because I genuinely thought Miguel was gonna lose it and shred him apart.
I seriously don't like this trend of"look like spiderman, but with claws"type of guys being exclusively chosen as miles' villains given Miguel is so one dimensional here(ironic considering it's cgi)!
@@erikbihari3625how is miguel one dimensional? And prowler was always miles uncle since way before. The spiderman looking villains is just a bad nitpick
@@Pinakiprime910. He made a multiversal spider oligarchy when in the comics he's(in typical cyberpunk fashion, but still) he was Against the corporate overlords overseeing Everything. So it seems extremely hypocritical, and if you say the trauma that his canon breaking caused, have you read how his life turned out in the pages?
@@erikbihari3625 would you tell me what is the point of comparing his comic counterpart to his movie counterpart? The whole point of a multiverse is that the people in it are different there are different miguels as mentioned by miguel himself so how can they be similar? And all spiderman fight against oppressors and the big power groups because spiderman as himself is a free spirit but they just showed us what if a spiderman had to handle the burden of making the hard choices to let people die. Because let's be honest not all choices can be good for everyone. And that's what makes miguel such a complex character not a 1 dimensional his comic counterpart I don't csre about because it's not his movie
@@erikbihari3625 and as for the comic strip it's purely an aesthetic choice just because Peter b parkers story is similar to Toby does not mean he is tobey
One part that gets me is Gwen saying "I didn't know... how to tell you." One part of her clearly wanted to end the sentence in the first part but she just couldn't keep lying.
@@Reapereqplays Gwen had her own problems. Her father is a cop who wants to arrest his daughter and now she's part of the spidery society, due to which she's obligated to keep certain things secret from Miles. And Miles just ignores her circumstances like a jack@**.
@@yousufanwar7030well I mean in the context of him being chased by a vampire Spider-Man, he’s not going to sympathise with Gwen & Peter at that moment. That’s part of the whole character conflict.
3:46 Miles in fear and panicking actually looks down to where Peter is and calls out for his help as Miguel berates him. A small detail I missed a couple of times rewatching this amazing movie.
"we are supposed to be the good guys" damn that line destroyed every single spider person in the room, specially Miguel, him repeating "we are!!" really drives home that even he isn't sure he's doing the right thing anymore.
After that we all knew he's even willing to murder someone to keep the canon. Imagine if he murders Jeff or Rio, that would be insane as hell, but it would be worst if Gwen sacrifices herself to save Miles's family, and Miles going full berserk against Miguel, that is a fight I would like to see.
She's not wrong; I mean, let's be honest here. Did Miguel honestly expect Miles to follow the same canon event and be authentic? Does he know what would happen if you didn't follow the canon event? But seeing how I responded to Gwen's question, I guess not. But I can honestly say. As a Spiderman fan, I'm very disappointed in the rest of them; Gwen had every right to say, "We are supposed to be the good guys." Cause it ever occur to them that destiny can be changed
4:31 Miguel’s line “You’re just a kid that has no idea what he’s doing” is interesting - that’s fair to describe most versions of Spider-Man when they first got their powers: most were kids that had no idea what they were doing until their “canon events” (ex. Uncle Ben) happened
@@ValavaernBrother did you not watch the movie? Every spider-man has multiple canon events, every variant loses ONE police captain. For Peter it was Captain Stacy, Miles is destined to lose his dad as he's being promoted to captain. They literally made this clear in the movie...
@Chamilion I don't deny that, but nevertheless it's stilll a pretty big fucking risk to take. No side is wrong in this situation, if you think Miguel is wrong or Miles is right then you misunderstood the point of the movie
2:00- Keep in mind, Miguel doesn’t stick to things. He has claws. And on a high speed space train, where everyone else can barely move, the man is practically _flying._ All on his own strength.
if you actually 5:18 there’s another example of miguel being even less of a spider-man than miles. He literally can’t stick onto something to save him self so he resorts to his webs it’s actually so ironic it’s beautiful. Actually fantastic writing.
Well yeah, thats basically Miguel, he is the true anomally, he didnt get bit by a spider, he altered his own dna to get rid of a drug in his system, thats why he is not like all the spidermen out there
The whole "You're a mistake!" speech Miguel makes can be summarized with "And how's that MY fault!" Miles didn't create this spider, Miles didn't summon the spider, Miles didn't do anything. Someone ELSE brought the spider there, someone ELSE deprived a universe of their Spider-Man. Miles is just trying to play with the cards he's been dealt.
the funny part is it was SPOT who brought the 42 spider to 1610 miles’ dimension before it could bite its own miles. miguel has been writing off spot as some tedious chore he’ll have to go deal with later despite him being the true genesis of all of this
Yeah, Miles did not became Spiderman or get bitten, its whoever sent the spider there in the first place, but does not change anything or change the fact that Miles is an anomaly, also Miles and Gwen met before Miles got bitten, so Gwen indirectly made Miles get bitten, if those two did not meet, then Miles would not go to his uncle for advice which leads him to the subway near where the machine is where he get bitten by the spider and all that which resulted in everything in that movie to happen and so on, so yeah
@@Salik96ok but i mean dude only had to fight six people, but miles had to go up against hundreds of spidermen, INCLUDING, the dude who fought the sinister six.
@@androidmode8757 And? Spectacular Spiderman could do the same along with other Spidermen and women. Yall got to understand that all those other spider people never had to chase or fight another Spiderman who has the same powers as them with two extra.
@@marlonquintana3466But they just do nothing and let fate decide for them. I know Miguel just doesn’t want another universe to die because of what happened to his alternate daughter and her universe but he doesn’t know for sure that Miles’ dad will actually die or it might be someone else close to Miles. For example, Gwen’s dad is quitting his position as captain.
4:47 - the music, the realisation that Miles isn't just running scared, that everyone's been underestimating him - Miguel trying to pull away but Miles keeping him there, the amount of self-confidence and determination then the quiet "Nah... Imma do my own thing..." I will tear up with pride for this character every single time.
lowkey i wish miles saved his "you were right gwen, you never should have come see me" for this moment, instead of saving "goodbye gwen" i feel like it would have hit so much harder then
It’s hammered home by the fact the scene just before, where he is told about canon events, he was constantly being called kid, showing just how much they were underestimating him
Miles Morales is a truly inspiring hero whose dedication to fighting for justice, his unwavering determination, quick thinking in tough situations, resourcefulness in finding solutions, and willingness to learn from his mistakes make him a powerful force for good in the Spider-Verse and a role model for others to follow.
I think people are misunderstanding Miles. He's not saying saving the Spiderverse isn't important, he's just not gonna sacrifice an innocent person, especially if that person is his father, to do so. Like Peter in Edge of Time said "What's important is not standing by and letting innocent people suffer or die, because you do nothing" For clarification for those still confused, that quote means that Spider-Man shouldn't just *let* someone die. If Miles tries to save his dad and fails, the canon event plays out and everything is fine. But Miguel is saying he should just let his dad die and not do anything about it, which is not what being Spider-Man is about
Yeah just like how everybody seems to misunderstand that miguel doesnt thunk miles is selfish because he wants to save his father, he think he’s selfish because saving his father may cause the end of a universe
@@sundae7317 eh, there's a pretty good list of reasons why miles came out of this chase successful none of these spidermen are used to working as an army, a small strike team at best, so they're constantly getting in each other's way almost all of them are just doing a job, they dont care about this fight like miguel or miles do half the spidermen probably don't even know who they're chasing and are going after the wrong guy or following the crowd spider sense deals with threats, miles' is gonna be working much better peter and gwen being the only ones who actually know miles and how he fights and swings are also not really wanting to stop him it's much easier for the runner than the chaser when both have these powers miles has a plan, none of the other spider people do even with these advantages, miguel almost won, it took miles getting him off-guard and getting him with an entirely unavoidable move (sticking his hand to miguel's suit and using his shock ability on him) just to get back to the machine and even then he had to rely on someone's mercy to not screw him over and that is the only thing here that's even close to plot armour
@@sundae7317doesn’t matter if he ran it would be dumb to fight multiple version of yourself you’ve never met and have no clue what are capable of the fact he escaped says enough plot armor had nothing to do with it Hobi was on his side from the jump negating an ex machina gimmick
I feel like people don’t give enough credit to Shameik Moore. The way he voiced miles in this movie was honestly amazing and perfect. The way he sounds as he struggles to get Miguel off of him even when he whimpers and calls peters name. The way he genuinely sounded terrified as he was tied up to the punching bag in the end and tried reasoning with his uncle genuinely made me terrified for him. He did a amazing job voicing miles and honestly needs more credit for this movie
I’ve seen people ask why Miguel just let Miles charge up his venom blast. but there was nothing Miguel can do, remember his suit is completely nano tech, so miles’ electricity nullified it and Miguel couldn’t move. If you look closely you can see him trying to budge his arms but the suit was completely frozen
who said it's nanotech? and if it's nanotech then how tf is Miles absorbing from his suit? and he can still use his legs to kick Miles, just admit this movie was full plot armor, Miles should have been dead by now
Even if saving him could kill billions of lives, it’s an incredibly risky gamble that could destroy the entire multiverse, miles is a super hero, he has to do the right thing, even if it’s hard.
@@oliviaforrester2983 It's the fault of the Beyonders, ultimately, for screwing around with the multiverse. Also, I feel like Spot's imminent rampage should take priority. If Miguel is lucky, Miles' dad dies from the fight, and the whole thing is moot.
@@oliviaforrester2983miles is superhero not a moral high horse anyone in his place will chose their loved ones not just let them die for a bunch of strangers who doesn't even care about them and won't even remember his sacrifices. What u are saying is just overly idealistic and stupid.
@andyfrench8660 you know going by that point, I don't even understand why Miguel even told miles about canon events at that moment, he should just have sent him back to his dimension and that would be the end of that
Idk if i am the only one that saw it but at 3:07 when he glitched for a mil second it showed him in that suit he bought from stan lee in the first movie very cool👍
2 months late, but i love the meaning behind that, that suit is used in into the spiderverse to represent that miles doesn't fit, and he glitches and shows that suit while miguel is telling him that he is an anomaly
The scene really hit me when Miguel shouted to Miles: "You're a MISTAKE", it's the most horrible thing anyone has ever seen can say, knocking down his defense of Miles about who is himself and it hurts me more when Miles says: "No, you're lying, I'm Spiderman".. it really was a great physical and emotional beating that Miguel gave him, and he was almost without any help. and Peter and Gwen were barely able to intervene, because they already knew and believed they were trying to convince him not to interfere with his "canonical event" for his own good. 5:31 that "Bye, Gwen" hurt me, because Miles said it believing this is the last time they see each other, since he thought that after returning to his world, he would no longer have anything to do with the Multiverse. 9:57I thought it was very cruel how Miguel sent Gwen back home with the same machine they used to send villains back to their worlds, plus she was resisting, I guess because she wouldn't want them to continue chasing Miles and that "We were supossed to be the good guys" shocked me
The only ways that Miles can maybe avoid endangering "all the people on his planet", are: 1. The other Spidermen bring in technology to try to contain the damage, like they did for the Indian Spiderman... And they succeed. 2. Because Miles isn't meant to be Spiderman, he gets lucky in that his life doesn't have to include all the usual Spiderman events. Either way, it'd be a cop out. The only good ending here is that Miles experiences his loss, and grows, like all the other Spidermen.
Gwen's line was hypocritical. All they are doing is sending her home. She was resisting cuz she didn't want to go back to her dimension. Not stop them. She was just like "I'm not coming".
@@Leto2ndAtreides With other spidermen's Canon Events changing and universes having their own absolute points. I don't think there's one good ending here or if there is a good ending. The multiverse is more complicated than it seems and unstable already. There's a good chance that what might work for Peter may not work for Miles. That even if his father follows the canon event it might meant nothing since nothing happened to Gwen's father when he resigned as a captain. It's scary how the universe managed to adapt to the rewriting when it can just disrupt, at this point everyone is walking on eggshells, you will never know when and which is the next incursion.
@@eris5497 The idea that canon events in the lives of "Spiderman" were somehow so important that entire universes could collapse because of them was an utterly crazy premise anyway. If that's true for Spiderman, then you'd assume that it's true for Iron Man, Hulk, X-Men, and countless other characters. The writers went completely retarded when they created that idea as the base for the conflict between Miles (not one of the more likable Spidermen) and all the other Spidermen - many of which are more interesting for the most part.
3:07 If you look closely when Miles glitches, you can see him glitch into himself wearing the Spider-Man costume he bought from Stan Lee in the first movie
@@MarwanMahdy its even more special given margo's bad relationship with her parents. miles' love for his dad, even after telling her that he relates to her, probably inspired her to do the right thing
It also shows how unstable he is. He could have destroyed the machine and got it rebuilt later but he was so tunnel visioned on Miles kept having at something that clearly was not going to budge.
7:33 quick reminder the spider-sense only goes off when spider man is in harm's way/real danger. The spider-sense didn't activate during the train chase, wich means Miguel wasn't planning to actually harm him. But since it did in this scene... well, let's say Miles was lucky spider-byte didn't lower the shield...
Miguel definitely wanted to still hurt him.!That whole train sequence was not Miguel trying to reach for him or reach an understanding it was to hurt him for questioning his identity. He tried to destroy his very identity, then belittle him, when he called for help he smashed him into the ground.
3:46 we really not gonna talk about him calling and reaching for peter like he's asking for help. Even with all thats going on he still looks up to him and relies on him and it hurts that peter couldn't help him here
I'm going to say something really controversial I blame Peter for not even bothering to help miles and yeah I know he had May with him but he could have had just asked Gwen to hold her so he can fight Miguel because let's be honest he can stand a chance against Miguel it just pisses me off that he didn't even try to defend miles
Theres a bigger picture here. Every single spiderman has accepted cannon events, but deep down they want to fight it. Gwen and peter b are conflicted, they were told thats the way it has to be but they see miles fighting with everything he has to go against it. They want to help but they are conditioned not to. They dont help because of their conditioning but they dont stop miles because they believe in him, in this story hes the purest spiderman.
Since nobody's with Miguel here, I'll be the one on his side because he's rational enough and Miles is so stubborn in this film. (I really like him from the first film though). Remember the earlier scenes where Miles sneaked through the portal, that was the first mistake, and the second was he kept messing things up in the Pavitr earth. I hate when he didn't listen to Gwen or anyone, just kept being stubborn, cocky, and kept messing around acting like he's the main hero who can use the power of friendship or will power to nullify reality and reason. People are siding with him while forgetting how messed up he made. I swear if Miguel were white or Asian he'd get canceled for this. I may get hated for this, but whatever, I'll defend him from the world even if I'm the only one.
8:47 “ Because you Miguel, aggressively hurt Miles, you told him his dad had to die, you threw a trash can at him, and you trapped him in a cage, that’s why.”
Miguel doesn't understand that because he was an adult when he got his powers and unlike the rest of them, he INTENTIONALLY aquired his powers. It wasn't an accident.
Miguel really has no right to tell Miles that he was a mistake just because he didn't realize that Miles-1610 was never supposed to become Spider-Man. The spider from w-42 ended up in w-1610 because Kingpin's first collider test caused it to transport to that world, Spot was created from the collider going unstable and Miles was just trying to stop it, and Miles didn't mean to get caught up in Peter-1610's fight because he ended up finding the collider room by accident. Even if Miles hadn't interfered with Peter-1610, Miles couldn't have saved him because he had no way to fight against any of those villains. Peter-1610 still could've died even without Miles' interference or the spider biting him. No one had any control or ability to stop the canon events from diverging because the SoSP hadn't formed yet, and Miguel can only blame someone else and treat them like the worst event in the entire multiverse's history because he's a hypocrite.
@@spenserfarman3045 When you say Peter 42 do you mean Peter from 1610? We don't meet a Peter Parker from Earth-42; plus I'm pretty sure it was hinted at the Earth-42 Mile's Morales was supposed to be spider-man and Miles 1610 was supposed to be the prowler.
Miguel's premise of "Canon Events happen and there's nothing we can do about it" is the literal antithesis of "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility", which is all about doing the EVERYTHING you can, even when there is no hope.
But great responsibility also means great care. Messing with powers or forces beyond your knowledge and control is how you get Strange Supreme. If anything, in my opinion, he's taking Great Power and Great Responsibility to the utmost extreme, which is still detrimental, but not the antithesis. They're not dealing with a city here, their choices will affect every world in all of the multiverse. Not saying he's doing it right, but that task will and has taken a toll on him.
@@excaliburknight1016 that extreme could also be born from his one mistake and the revelation of the consequences. Remember, a timeline/dimension had collapsed because Migel had thought to replace a version of him who died. There’s also another thing to point out: gwen making up with her dad. If migel saw what happened there, pretty sure he’d call that a “breaking of a canon event”, as, for a short while, Gwen’s dad was police captain… but he quit the job. Migel, even if to protect the multiverse, is acting too strict and hard over the supposed choices made. Has to be a reason that it’s called the MULTIVERSE! Not every event goes canon because there’s always an alternate choice made somewhere else. Pretty sure dimensional collapses are caused by the world colliders that Spot is siphoning off of, anyway.
@@lanluhylrean1122In a way, Miguel causes a canon event to not happen by sending Gwen home. Miguel doesn’t know that Gwen will make up with her dad, he makes the decision to quit while she’s talking to him. That wouldn’t have happened if Miguel hadn’t of sent her back home.
@@excaliburknight1016 It’s rather the fact he’s not trying to find another way. He’s letting many universes lose people, because he thinks some algorithm defines it. Because that’s his best way out. Miguel has his doubts and the book for the verse States that he does. But he never acts on even trying.
@@Igriumhonestly, once the trilogy is out, I'd be down for cinemas organising Spiderverse nights, just like they do with LOTR and all. These movies are made for the big screen and it's really an amazing experience.
3:27, 7:57 Is anyone gonna admit how insanely close Miguel was to completely killing Miles? (8/24/24 edit: TY for the likes, but… are you going to keep arguing in the comments?)
Nah if he wanted to he could do it like at least 6-7 times, even when he shreds time-space web with fierce he detaches his claws after start tearing 8:02 8:02
Miguel really has lost his way. He’s not even technically wrong with his viewpoint. Miguel suffered his own losses and feels immense guilt over what he did and he is trying in his own way to right the wrongs he committed. Yeah you can’t save everyone, not even Spider-Man can save everyone. But you know what makes Spider-Man great? He tries anyways. If he fails he doesn’t give up trying to save everyone and more often than not Spider-Man always finds a way and pulls a miracle.
I think there’s truth in this, BUT I also think that Miguel is the true villain. There’s something he’s hiding. The claws, the fangs, the cape, the injections and many other things make me think he’s not a pure spider person. At first he gave off that “brooding damaged male” trope, but the way he flies off the handle makes me think there’s more he’s hiding. Sure, the need to allow canon events to happen might be necessary, but Miguel’s abuse and hated of Miles is pretty unwarranted. Especially since its pretty obvious that it’s not Miles’ fault he was bit by earth 42’s spider. He’s not the original anomaly. Also I think if he was a real anomaly, his world would’ve disintegrated the second he was bit. There already was a Spider-Man in his universe. Gwen being on earth 1610 is also an anomaly. I think there’s something directly linking Miles and Miguel and Miguel hasn’t told anyone. His story is a half truth. Either way, I can’t wait for the next movie. I’m prepared to have my mind blown
I feel like he sees Miles as a living contradiction to Miguel’s canon event theory and can’t cope with that. What I mean is that Miguel says the Peter Parker in Miles world was not supposed to die and yet that world did not unravel. If changes to the canon like an uncle Ben figure surviving or a Captain Stacy figure is enough to unravel a whole world then shouldn’t the person who was supposed to live through those events dying just mean its over? Miguel when asked if they know what will happen if the canon is broken just shuts it down with “do you want to know!?” Which shows even he doesn’t have an answer. I feel like he’s still dealing with the guilt of losing his family and finds solace in the idea that it was his mistake and that that is the definitive way they would have gone out due to his meddling but now he is seeing Miles defy that logic which is why Miguel is so volatile towards him. Just my interpretation on him as a character.
And Miguel tried to steal the life of another Miguel just to become the father of a daughter he could've have like he's the Scarlet Witch. The daughter in that was presumably supposed to become the Spider-Person of that universe but Miguel ruined it out of a petty desire.
Thank everyone’s talking about how Miguel is right and Miles isn’t seeing it. But HOW DID MIGUEL GET TO ANOTHER UNIVERSE AND DESTROY IT. WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS ORIGINAL UNIVERSE. HE IS THE ANOMALY!
4:03 I seriously love how distant the score becomes. Almost as if Miles realizes he doesn’t just gotta peace out. He’s also gotta distance himself from his “friends”.
Exactly, I can understand that he desperately wants to prevent other Spider-Men from making the same mistake. But at the same time he's making them go against everything they stand for to do it.
@@haaather7131 Nah Miguel is one of the best spider-man variants in the comics and deserves the title, he’s just extremely scared of the consequences after witnessing them as a result of his own mistakes in this movie
Miguel looked like he was a half step from a psychotic break when he told Miles, "All this time, I've been the one holding it together." Homie, you do not look like you're holding it together.
"Good things happen too, like you" hits so damn hard once you learn about the original anomaly. Everyone already knows this, but won't get tired of saying it, this movie is brilliant.
I don't know if it's the hardest but it is the most detailed... Not one single molecule is accidental and it's all flawless... I think it might not be so fast. I can't tell, but that could be part of the point. There could be subliminal messages in Is there and that would make it even crazier
Okay so I noticed that too and came to the timed comments 😅 During this scene when he glitches slow the video speed down to as low as possible, does it seem like it also shows a real version of miles?? Or am I reaching there ?
it’s literally miguel just projecting. The irony of the whole thing is the implication of him not being spider-man thru unethical methods (miguel’s viewpoint) when the irony is Miguel, Jessica Drew, Miles, Gwen are Vastly different spider-people. Miguel essentially grief ridden and that’s because he believes the incidents regarding multiversal leaks or cannons being disrupted because of variants originated from Miles’s dimension. Which has nothing to with miles again just irony. He’s being a hypocrite but hes aware cuz he thinks what he went thru is justifying.
It simply doesn't. Miguel is just trying his hardest to be the smart one. He's yelling at Miles about being a mistake, so the canon doesn't apply for him since he never was supposed to become Spider man. He said it himself, if Miles never became spider man, his Peter would alive. And if Miles becoming Spider man isn't canon, nor is Peter dying, it's quite clear that he has no canon, no events that are set in stone. Miguel is mad at his own mistakes that he can't even think straight.
Just realized that at 3:22 when Miguel said there's a world out there without Spiderman, it has the same whistle that played when Uncle Aaron was revealed later in the movie. Great detail
Everyone keeps telling me how my story is supposed to go. Nah! Imma do my own thing! That was both a powerful and badass line, that's why I love shamiek moore
@JCZ-11 actually, yes. They have tiny claws, what's how they are able to cut off an end of their webs. Obviously, they are for making webs and traversing them, and it ends at that.
A lesson we can learn from Miguel here: When you try to take control of everything else, you lose control of yourself. Don't try to take take control of things out of your league. Take control of things that you are affected by, and of yourself.
@@emmanuelandrew6513 He wasn't like this before him beginning the spider-society. He was pretty light-hearted. But because he tried to control everything else he lost control of himself.
@marlonquintana3466 It's not just about emotion. It's also the fact that Miguel doesn't actually know what the Canon is. He just assumes it's when somebody dies. Miguel spent years taking his frustration out on other Spider men due to the family he lost, a family that wasn't his to love. And then he puts it all on Miles. He says Miles isn't ALLOWED to do anything and even says he shouldn't be allowed to exist. And all of this while knowing that everything is Spot's fault. Hundreds of lives are on his head and he doesn't care. Anything so he doesn't have to be wrong.
People always say "you can't have your cake and eat it too" but it's so refreshing to hear someone ask why not. Too many give up for what is easy and not what is true to themselves
@@landonlinevision8481 That sounds like a lotta work, gonna need more pairs of hands--Oh, it's Teamwork. That's how we surmount the seemingly impossible, by working together.
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Notice how Miguel's whole demeanor changed from mildly angry but focused on stopping Miles to Completely pissed and focused on putting Miles in his place once Miles said that "Are you sure that you're even Spider-man?"
Love the fact that Miles was being genuine when he said “I have a plan, I just haven’t you told you it yet” because he did have a plan. Also the “No! You’re lying, I’m Spider-Man!” just reminds me of how young he is and how fucked up this whole situation is, idk man, it’s something about his tone.
Miguel has no business being this hard on miles, he didn’t choose for any of this to happen, he didn’t sign up to be spiderman, it was spot who robbed dimension 42 of their radioactive spiderman spider. All of this was both spot and kingpin’s fault.
Miguel snapping is horrifying lmao. I always loved how Miguel was the one guy that didnt have a lot of Spidey traits, but he was still Spider-Man because of his sense of responsibility.
I'm not defending the writing for this scene, but I think the reason Miles is able to get away from the other spider-people is because he's desperate, while the others are just casually following orders. The only one that wants to really stop him is 2099, and even he's under the impression Miles isn't very adept in Spider-maning because hes a relatively new. spider-dude.
Spider-Sense also basically kicks into overdrive when being outnumbered like this (at least it does for Peter from what I remember but I assume the same would be true for Miles) and all those Spider-People are messing each other up because they aren't working together and have no game plan. It's basically like what the three Peters in No Way Home were doing at first, except in here there's like hundreds of them, some of which are vastly different from the average Spider-Man, and none of them ever stop to 'regroup' or form a plan real quick.
Another fact is that despite being a large army, they aren't meant to fight in that large of a number. We see with the case of Miguel catching an anomaly, he only sends 2-3 Spider-People to detain one. Because they piled up on Miles they are in a literal crowd where only a few can attack at a time, while Miles is far more versatile with an actual plan.
1.Spider sense goes on a hyperdrive while outnumbered 2.Its much easier to escape than to catch someone 3.Spider people aren't great at team work. 4.Many of them weren't trying that hard.
It's also just the fact that spidermen are going to inherently suck at catching spidermen. They are much better at escaping than they are at catching, it's like a bunch of dudes covered in grease trying to catch another dude covered in grease.
8:24 I wanna talk about this moment. She had the chance. She didn't abort the machine. And gave him a look. How did he knew she's won't be aborting because he wouldn't have pulled down the mask?
5:04 Miles speaking directly to the audience about strict rules in place about Spider-Man telling everyone that He's going to be doing Spider-Man in HIS own way.
this was a small thing they were trying to push in the marketing of this movie like itsv was "anyone can wear the mask" atsv is "it matters how you wear the mask" I wonder what they'll try to push with btsv
Even though Miguel’s powers work differently to the other spider-men/women, his powers are still spider oriented nonetheless. He has retractable claws because (in real life) spiders that are too heavy to use suction, often have retractable claws. He has (retractable) fangs, because (in real life) spiders have fangs, and he can inject a paralyzing venom with them (at least he could in one of the comics I owned as a little kid). He doesn’t have a spider sense, because (in real life) neither do spiders… instead he’s got a sort of accelerated reflexes that process information at the same level someone with a spider sense would, which is close enough… but it doesn’t warn him about anything in advanced, especially if he can’t see it with his eyes (which while not entirely accurate to real life, is still closer to real life than the spider sense). He wasn’t bitten by a radioactive spider, but instead had spider DNA infused into his body directly. Who knows… maybe he’s been adding more to make himself bigger and stronger.
I think Spider-Sense originated from spiders being able to sense vibrations in the air which can basically give them 360 awareness of their surroundings.
@@TheRedMan77 We knew where it originated as far as actual spiders, but it works well beyond those confines in the comics, even warning Spider-Man before an explosion goes off, or if someone has a gun in their pocket, neither of which have anything to do with vibrations in the air.
@@mistahanansi2264 Well of course Spider-Sense doesn't operate like an actual spider, it's connected to the Web of Fate and is basically a Cosmic Sense. I was just explaining the origin of the concept of Spider-Sense.
You don't need to be bit by the spider to be Spider-Man, it's the fact that the Miles that WAS bit was NEVER supposed to be, it was ripped from another earth right before the Miles that was supposed to be bit would've been bit.
And also I don't understand how he's different from kingpin, both wanted families from different dimentions at least kingpin didn't ruin a whole dimention but Miguel who actually did that is now "boss" of every spider and in charge of everything? Why is their logic upside down?
this movie shifts from calm to intense in a split second, along with the fast paced action that you can barely follow, makes it a very special watch. best movie of 2023 hands down.
Across also started out light, like the majority of Into, and gradually got dark halfway into the movie. I think the majority of Beyond is gonna be dark.
Miguel is wrong for two main reasons. 1) Miguel is not well. The film even hints that Miguel is suffering when Miles makes a point about men of his dad’s generation ignoring their mental health too much. Hence projecting on Miles and essentially building a cult he controls with fear. He hasn’t processed his grief and thinks that if he can fix the canon of the universe it is the spiritual equivalent of undoing his mistake and bringing his daughter back. 2) Miles isn’t the original anomaly. The 42 spider was. The spider’s presence in 1610 is a result of The Spot’s decision. The Spot chose to work for Alchemax and to stay in a super collider while it was exploding hence he is responsible for his accident. The Spot has always had agency and continues to make the choice of opening various dark matter holes in the multiverse. The multiverse handles canon disruptions just fine but dark matter actually IS disrupting the stability of the multiverse… Spot is being almost completely ignored by Miguel.
The way the "canon event disruption" plays out in Mumbattan tells me that he might also be behind the destruction of Miguel's universe. We don't know exactly how powerful the Spot is, but he is absolutely a multiversal threat. And yes, the travelling through dimensions also allows you to travel through time, as in "Into the Spider-Verse," Gwen got sent to last week, before the event happened that actually pulled her into Miles' universe.
And 3) MILES' UNIVERSE AND EARTH-42 (FOR ITS ENORMOUSLY LONG NUMBER OF PRPBLEMS) ARE STILL STANDING. And in the more theoretocal side of things, and seeing how tons of Soideys from different medua across comics, video games, and cartoons are shown or mentioned in the film, one could assume *all* Spider-Man media us canon to the Spider-Verse. Which includes the 90s Spider-Man cartoon (which featured a parallel universe where Spidey still has his uncle and married Gwen) and the preschool show Spidey and His Amazing Friends (whose preschool-friendly nature means many of the Canon Events such as the death of a captain simply won't happen because it would clash too much with its nature, while others such as Mary Jane and Peter's marriage are also unlikely to happen because A) MJ hasn't debuted yet and B) That Peter is a kid. Like, an actual, 10-year-old kid).
Between both Miguel and Miles, Miles has a point about saving his dad and Miguel is clearly wrong about Miles, I mostly think that he forgot what made Spider-Man in the first place, an accident that both made who he was and gave him his powers plus that hole in Pavitr’s universe wasn’t because of Miles , if you watch Dr. Strange 2, it’s a incursion
No it was from the spot an incursion is where somebody stays in a universe for too long and it makes other universes collide together. If that's what ur saying then my bad for not understanding
An incursion is when someone stays in another universe and causes both dimensions to collide. In the spider verse films, only the person from the alternate universe would die and not both dimensions. Pavitr's dimension was being destroyed because Miles disrupted a canon event that needed to happen. Its basically a fixed point in time, which both Dc and Marvel cofirm its things that need to happen and will happen and if they dont happen, time will be destroyed. Also, Miguel has a point, Miles is so focused on saving his father, while Miguel is focused on saving all creation. In the beginning of the film, he fixed everything that was left unchecked from the first film. Miles will need to learn hoe to sacrifice for the greater good, which spider man in general has to go through sooner or later. Tom hollan spider man lost everything for the sake of the multiverse. Insomniac spider man lost aunt may for the sake of the world.
@@Abyss_Princess Miguel literally cofirms that it wasnt the spot, but the effect of the canon being broken. Miles stopped a fix point in time, thus caused the destruction of pavitr's dimension
“When you can do the things that I can do, but you don’t, and THEN the bad things happen… they happen because of you.” That quote from Tom’s Peter fits perfectly with Miles and him choosing to save his dad.
"What's important is not standing by and allowing someone to suffer or die because you do nothing. If you don't get that, you don't get the first thing about being spider man."
@@theamazingspooderman2697 There can be more than one Spider-Man that defines who Spider-Man is in their own way. That was the message that Into the Spider-Verse made. Anyone can wear the mask.
Not only did it work better for pacing but it helped submit that Miles was more mature. Despite their big differences and the fact he's willing to let his dad die and stop him for doing it, Miles says sorry but I'm going to do differently as a way of saying he doesn't hate him for it.
Okay so I noticed that too and came to the timed comments 😅 During this scene when he glitches slow the video speed down to as low as possible, does it seem like it also shows a real version of miles?? Or am I reaching there ?
I think Miguel wants Spot to carry out his canon event by killing Miles' dad, then catch him. That way they don't disrupt the canon and can still stop Spot from doing more damage.
One thing I've thought of was they never said who or what villain would be the one to start a cannon event, just that the cannon event itself was a police captain close to Spiderman would die. So if by some reason Spot didn't exist another villain could trigger the cannon, it just so happened that Spot was a much bigger threat to other universes as well
The bigger thing is if the canon events are so important than our Miles' universe and the radioactive spiders original universe should have already collapsed. The Easter egg of Insomniac's PS4 spiderman means that's a canon universe and Miles is also a Spiderman in that one, so Miles being a spiderman in other universes is a possibility. The fact that a spider was sent thru to another universe and of all the people it could have bitten is another Miles just goes to show that either the canon events can be transferred over to another universe OR that this was actually a multiversal canon event that was supposed to happen. Either way Miguel is the one preventing canon events once again, not Miles. That or universe collapses are not caused by canon events not happening and Miguel's collapse was something else entirely and likely his own fault for some other reason than he believes
The fact that Miguel is literally letting an Anomaly do canon events is going to backfire on him. Miguel is probably exactly how others treated Spot, a villain of the week. The fact he thinks he can control him will prove to be a fatal mistake, nevertheless catch him. They couldn't even catch Miles, meanwhile, Spot decimated Miles, Gwen, Hobie, and Pavitar with little effort BEFORE his transformation.
@@reg1019 The "Vampire" type Spider-Man thing is a result of him getting his powers. Miguel wasn't bitten by a Spider, his DNA was genetically altered and it made him half man and half spider.
@@erikbihari3625 If he was an inheritor, there would be a whole different issue in Spider-Society. Because dead bodies would turn up and whole worlds would be in chaos without their protector. Miguel is Spider-Man, not one of the Inheritors.
2:14 is spine chilling , it feels like we are there , flipping and diving throu the air .... and then the point of climax where he kicks miguel so hard he goes flying lol this should be recognized as his second leap of faith fr.
@@dinethsfunvideos6449 Oh but she did break his trust. Even if she is going to find Miles, he'll think this is just another Miguel O'hara's plan to capture him and let his father died. So it's already too late.
The frame at 3:30 where Miguel's suit changes colors is so so beautiful. I love how the art styles switch from comic book to technical drawings. The animation for this one scene must've taken hella time
To everyone saying Miles outsmarting everyone is plot armour, I wanna remind Tobey's line in Spiderman-2, "strong focus on what I want". Conviction is the prime source of a spiderman's power. And here Miles' conviction was way more than anyone else, he was saving his father. You see that the only one who came close to beating him was Miguel, whose convction was also the strongest out of everyone else
He's also not a Peter like most of them seem to be. So he thinks differently to them which I think helps him get away. He still has the Spider-Man snark and such, but he still acts and reacts slightly differently to them due to being a Miles and not a Peter.
I still think Spot is going to be the reason all the canon events happen, like he insures they either lose their loved one, or the whole world. Like if he can freely jump through dimensions, he can probably do so with time too.
I think he went through an awakening and can manipulate matter in the next movie. Since we did saw him grab every fucking matter around him and throw it at miles's dad in miles' future sight thing
i think they may be setting him up as at least the introduction to the king in black. He's nowhere near as bad as his yellow predecesor, but the face references his comic version and he does reference many of the original lines (particularly 'i wear no mask')
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“You don’t belong here, you *never* did”
Gotta feel for miles in that moment, he’s spent this whole movie searching for acceptance from these people who he aspires to be like, only to be rejected by them in the most harsh way possible.
and the speech Rio gave him before he go after Gwen gave him strength. Is interesting how every thing she said to him to be careful about is what happened to him across the spider verse
Miguel's *definitely* projecting on Miles there...
I’m gonna be honest even if Miguel was right his ridiculing and beat down of Miles (who is a kid) is incredibly harsh to where I question his mental state. He says all this stuff about “if the spider never bit you none of this would have happened” as if Miles chose to be bitten by the spider and chose to let his world’s Peter die. I feel like Miguel just sees a contradiction to the canon event logic he lives by and hates it as it implies that his family’s death wasn’t a set in stone thing because of his mistake. What I mean by Miles being a contradiction is that his Peter wasn’t supposed to die and yet his world hasn’t been completely dissolved. If a minor change to the “uncle ben” or “captain stacy” parts of the story are enough to wreck a whole world then shouldn’t the person who was supposed to live through those events dying mean its all over?
@@CyberSonic-V3.0 Fun Fact, when spot talks about the spider, we see that it's behind Miles' at a desk, so... pretty sure they're gonna reveal that *a* Miles Morales was always meant to be Spider-Man.
@@Rougeification Probably though it’ll probably also be thrown at Miguel’s face on why the canon event theory is not the definitive way for things to go
As serious and intense as this scene is, the “SNITCH!” gets me every time.
Same it nice that there was a funny moment after a whole segment of just pure angst
2:50 She's definitely a snitch for sure. 😂🤣
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And how Mile’s body flies through the air to exit the scene is the icing on the cake😂
I screamed Narc! lol
Miguel's role in the movie was so well-done. His near-bursting rage throughout the movie kept me at the edge of my seat, and there were a lot of times where I actually feared for Miles because I genuinely thought Miguel was gonna lose it and shred him apart.
I seriously don't like this trend of"look like spiderman, but with claws"type of guys being exclusively chosen as miles' villains given Miguel is so one dimensional here(ironic considering it's cgi)!
@@erikbihari3625how is miguel one dimensional? And prowler was always miles uncle since way before. The spiderman looking villains is just a bad nitpick
@@Pinakiprime910. He made a multiversal spider oligarchy when in the comics he's(in typical cyberpunk fashion, but still) he was Against the corporate overlords overseeing Everything. So it seems extremely hypocritical, and if you say the trauma that his canon breaking caused, have you read how his life turned out in the pages?
@@erikbihari3625 would you tell me what is the point of comparing his comic counterpart to his movie counterpart? The whole point of a multiverse is that the people in it are different there are different miguels as mentioned by miguel himself so how can they be similar?
And all spiderman fight against oppressors and the big power groups because spiderman as himself is a free spirit but they just showed us what if a spiderman had to handle the burden of making the hard choices to let people die.
Because let's be honest not all choices can be good for everyone. And that's what makes miguel such a complex character not a 1 dimensional his comic counterpart I don't csre about because it's not his movie
@@erikbihari3625 and as for the comic strip it's purely an aesthetic choice just because Peter b parkers story is similar to Toby does not mean he is tobey
One part that gets me is Gwen saying "I didn't know... how to tell you." One part of her clearly wanted to end the sentence in the first part but she just couldn't keep lying.
peak scriptwriting right here
I mean i wouldnt except in the next movie Miles just simply ignores Gwen after what she did to him. What lies she told him
@@Reapereqplays Gwen had her own problems. Her father is a cop who wants to arrest his daughter and now she's part of the spidery society, due to which she's obligated to keep certain things secret from Miles. And Miles just ignores her circumstances like a jack@**.
@@yousufanwar7030well I mean in the context of him being chased by a vampire Spider-Man, he’s not going to sympathise with Gwen & Peter at that moment. That’s part of the whole character conflict.
@@yousufanwar7030I doubt Miles is aware of Gwen's circumstances and after seeing Gwen's behavior I think his behavior is justified.
3:46 Miles in fear and panicking actually looks down to where Peter is and calls out for his help as Miguel berates him. A small detail I missed a couple of times rewatching this amazing movie.
Only to learn a few seconds later that Peter in fact betrayed him.
@@ВадимМануйлов-ы8ж Not really he still cares about him.
@@Salik96he still betrayed miles.
@@ineedhealing5133 Kinda, they were just following miguel.
@@Salik96 so you just explained why he betrayed miles thank you
"we are supposed to be the good guys" damn that line destroyed every single spider person in the room, specially Miguel, him repeating "we are!!" really drives home that even he isn't sure he's doing the right thing anymore.
After that we all knew he's even willing to murder someone to keep the canon.
Imagine if he murders Jeff or Rio, that would be insane as hell, but it would be worst if Gwen sacrifices herself to save Miles's family, and Miles going full berserk against Miguel, that is a fight I would like to see.
She's not wrong; I mean, let's be honest here. Did Miguel honestly expect Miles to follow the same canon event and be authentic? Does he know what would happen if you didn't follow the canon event? But seeing how I responded to Gwen's question, I guess not. But I can honestly say. As a Spiderman fan, I'm very disappointed in the rest of them; Gwen had every right to say, "We are supposed to be the good guys." Cause it ever occur to them that destiny can be changed
@@gregorykeller1178No.
That's what happens with Groupthink. Just about everyone is following Miguel's lead.
@@gregorykeller1178I wanna believe so, but I remebered what happened to strange supreme
Miles isnt a peter variant and we already know that some canons can be broken
4:31
Miguel’s line “You’re just a kid that has no idea what he’s doing” is interesting - that’s fair to describe most versions of Spider-Man when they first got their powers: most were kids that had no idea what they were doing until their “canon events” (ex. Uncle Ben) happened
miles canon event hasn't happend yet. SO miguel's line still holds true. He did lose his uncle but that wasn't the turning point.
but miles lost his peter parker and his uncle.. i think his canon events have happened @@ceshmate1953
@@ceshmate1953 That's where everyone's wrong, though. Miles DID have his canon event: Seeing his uncle shot right in front of him.
@@ValavaernBrother did you not watch the movie? Every spider-man has multiple canon events, every variant loses ONE police captain. For Peter it was Captain Stacy, Miles is destined to lose his dad as he's being promoted to captain.
They literally made this clear in the movie...
@Chamilion I don't deny that, but nevertheless it's stilll a pretty big fucking risk to take.
No side is wrong in this situation, if you think Miguel is wrong or Miles is right then you misunderstood the point of the movie
2:00- Keep in mind, Miguel doesn’t stick to things. He has claws.
And on a high speed space train, where everyone else can barely move, the man is practically _flying._
All on his own strength.
0:39 still working in movie 🎦 11yrs through. And playing special olympics.
bros an actual beast
if you actually 5:18 there’s another example of miguel being even less of a spider-man than miles. He literally can’t stick onto something to save him self so he resorts to his webs it’s actually so ironic it’s beautiful. Actually fantastic writing.
Well yeah, thats basically Miguel, he is the true anomally, he didnt get bit by a spider, he altered his own dna to get rid of a drug in his system, thats why he is not like all the spidermen out there
@ some spidey beings didn’t get bitten by a spider just so you know
The whole "You're a mistake!" speech Miguel makes can be summarized with "And how's that MY fault!" Miles didn't create this spider, Miles didn't summon the spider, Miles didn't do anything. Someone ELSE brought the spider there, someone ELSE deprived a universe of their Spider-Man. Miles is just trying to play with the cards he's been dealt.
the funny part is it was SPOT who brought the 42 spider to 1610 miles’ dimension before it could bite its own miles. miguel has been writing off spot as some tedious chore he’ll have to go deal with later despite him being the true genesis of all of this
Example 💯👏🏽
@@Lu-bc3pl Wait thats fucking right, Spot full on was he cause of all this, he created our Miguel who 'created' him. Damn.
@@Lu-bc3plSpot and King Pin are equally to blame
Yeah, Miles did not became Spiderman or get bitten, its whoever sent the spider there in the first place, but does not change anything or change the fact that Miles is an anomaly, also Miles and Gwen met before Miles got bitten, so Gwen indirectly made Miles get bitten, if those two did not meet, then Miles would not go to his uncle for advice which leads him to the subway near where the machine is where he get bitten by the spider and all that which resulted in everything in that movie to happen and so on, so yeah
I love how Miles has only been Spider-Man for like a year and is still able to escape and outsmart all the other Spider people 😅😅
Well you got spectacular Spiderman who is young and is able to outsmart and go up against big threats like the sinister six.
@@Salik96ok but i mean dude only had to fight six people, but miles had to go up against hundreds of spidermen, INCLUDING, the dude who fought the sinister six.
@@androidmode8757 And? Spectacular Spiderman could do the same along with other Spidermen and women. Yall got to understand that all those other spider people never had to chase or fight another Spiderman who has the same powers as them with two extra.
Diversity hire at it's finest!
@@erikbihari3625 What does that have to do with anything?
the passion behind the "your a mistake" then that chokeslam afterwards is just brutal
Agreed 💯👏🏽
i feel like hes been wanting an excuse to do this for a while now
This has to be racially motivated
@@BoooiiiiiiMiguel is just projecting.
“You’re”, not “your”. Just a small slip there, friend. 🙂
"We are supposed to be the good guys!"
I LOVE THAT LINE!
And the music under that scene wow, goosebumps
@TheJunkymagi ''We are".
@@FrancisMoyo-rb1ktI wonder if they are going to question themselves about if they are really doing the right thing, including Miguel.
they are the good guys.
@@marlonquintana3466But they just do nothing and let fate decide for them. I know Miguel just doesn’t want another universe to die because of what happened to his alternate daughter and her universe but he doesn’t know for sure that Miles’ dad will actually die or it might be someone else close to Miles. For example, Gwen’s dad is quitting his position as captain.
8:00 I love how Peter just looks at Gwen like "I didn't know this fucker was this insane". He ain't holding my kid again 😂
Lmao
😂😂
Bro got me dead with this comment
Just wait til Miguel finds out about Mayday's origin 😬
Blud was out here thinking he’s Tusk Act 4 coming to shred Valentine.
4:47 - the music, the realisation that Miles isn't just running scared, that everyone's been underestimating him - Miguel trying to pull away but Miles keeping him there, the amount of self-confidence and determination then the quiet "Nah... Imma do my own thing..."
I will tear up with pride for this character every single time.
Miguel was scared because he thought Miles was going to turn off his holographic suit leaving him naked.
@@lavignie"Everybody liked that"
lowkey i wish miles saved his "you were right gwen, you never should have come see me" for this moment, instead of saving "goodbye gwen" i feel like it would have hit so much harder then
It’s hammered home by the fact the scene just before, where he is told about canon events, he was constantly being called kid, showing just how much they were underestimating him
Miles Morales is a truly inspiring hero whose dedication to fighting for justice, his unwavering determination, quick thinking in tough situations, resourcefulness in finding solutions, and willingness to learn from his mistakes make him a powerful force for good in the Spider-Verse and a role model for others to follow.
I think people are misunderstanding Miles. He's not saying saving the Spiderverse isn't important, he's just not gonna sacrifice an innocent person, especially if that person is his father, to do so. Like Peter in Edge of Time said "What's important is not standing by and letting innocent people suffer or die, because you do nothing"
For clarification for those still confused, that quote means that Spider-Man shouldn't just *let* someone die. If Miles tries to save his dad and fails, the canon event plays out and everything is fine. But Miguel is saying he should just let his dad die and not do anything about it, which is not what being Spider-Man is about
If you don't get that, then you don't get the first thing about being Spider-Man.
Yeah just like how everybody seems to misunderstand that miguel doesnt thunk miles is selfish because he wants to save his father, he think he’s selfish because saving his father may cause the end of a universe
@@kinoman4875only Miles wasn’t selfish. If anything, he would’ve found another way to save his father while keeping the spiderverse intact.
“We get dirty and the world stays clean. That’s the mission.”
@@savannahhague4989 miles may do that in the next movie. But for now, tell me, how exactly is he gonna do that?
Just realized miles beat all their asses while glitching
No he ran from them all, he only won cause plot armor
@@sundae7317 eh, there's a pretty good list of reasons why miles came out of this chase successful
none of these spidermen are used to working as an army, a small strike team at best, so they're constantly getting in each other's way
almost all of them are just doing a job, they dont care about this fight like miguel or miles do
half the spidermen probably don't even know who they're chasing and are going after the wrong guy or following the crowd
spider sense deals with threats, miles' is gonna be working much better
peter and gwen being the only ones who actually know miles and how he fights and swings are also not really wanting to stop him
it's much easier for the runner than the chaser when both have these powers
miles has a plan, none of the other spider people do
even with these advantages, miguel almost won, it took miles getting him off-guard and getting him with an entirely unavoidable move (sticking his hand to miguel's suit and using his shock ability on him) just to get back to the machine and even then he had to rely on someone's mercy to not screw him over and that is the only thing here that's even close to plot armour
The only reason why Miles survived because of the plot and kids rating of the movie
@@sundae7317doesn’t matter if he ran it would be dumb to fight multiple version of yourself you’ve never met and have no clue what are capable of the fact he escaped says enough plot armor had nothing to do with it Hobi was on his side from the jump negating an ex machina gimmick
Here’s my two cents:
Miles was BEATEN. He only used a cheat code. That being that VR Spider-Woman.
I feel like people don’t give enough credit to Shameik Moore. The way he voiced miles in this movie was honestly amazing and perfect. The way he sounds as he struggles to get Miguel off of him even when he whimpers and calls peters name. The way he genuinely sounded terrified as he was tied up to the punching bag in the end and tried reasoning with his uncle genuinely made me terrified for him. He did a amazing job voicing miles and honestly needs more credit for this movie
No one asked
@@ransomsdp ?
@@ransomsdpno one asked for your reply either
@@ransomsdpnobody ask for anything
9:16 MILES!
I’ve seen people ask why Miguel just let Miles charge up his venom blast.
but there was nothing Miguel can do, remember his suit is completely nano tech, so miles’ electricity nullified it and Miguel couldn’t move. If you look closely you can see him trying to budge his arms but the suit was completely frozen
Well we could see that he could move his head so why didn't he just head but him?
who said it's nanotech? and if it's nanotech then how tf is Miles absorbing from his suit? and he can still use his legs to kick Miles, just admit this movie was full plot armor, Miles should have been dead by now
@@Mahitodaeyepopper right? he still didn't reply cuz u are correct, he is just trying to explain Miles's plot armor and is in denial
Miguel’s soon is made from unstable material but miles freezing him could be the case
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You tell Miles his father’s about to die, then it would be unrealistic to expect him to not try to save his father, knowing he already lost his uncle.
Even if saving him could kill billions of lives, it’s an incredibly risky gamble that could destroy the entire multiverse, miles is a super hero, he has to do the right thing, even if it’s hard.
@@oliviaforrester2983 It's the fault of the Beyonders, ultimately, for screwing around with the multiverse. Also, I feel like Spot's imminent rampage should take priority. If Miguel is lucky, Miles' dad dies from the fight, and the whole thing is moot.
@@oliviaforrester2983miles is superhero not a moral high horse anyone in his place will chose their loved ones not just let them die for a bunch of strangers who doesn't even care about them and won't even remember his sacrifices. What u are saying is just overly idealistic and stupid.
@@andyfrench8660miguel didn’t have to tell miles anything in the first place.
@andyfrench8660 you know going by that point, I don't even understand why Miguel even told miles about canon events at that moment, he should just have sent him back to his dimension and that would be the end of that
Idk if i am the only one that saw it but at 3:07 when he glitched for a mil second it showed him in that suit he bought from stan lee in the first movie very cool👍
No you are not alone 👀
2 months late, but i love the meaning behind that, that suit is used in into the spiderverse to represent that miles doesn't fit, and he glitches and shows that suit while miguel is telling him that he is an anomaly
The scene really hit me when Miguel shouted to Miles: "You're a MISTAKE", it's the most horrible thing anyone has ever seen can say, knocking down his defense of Miles about who is himself and it hurts me more when Miles says: "No, you're lying, I'm Spiderman".. it really was a great physical and emotional beating that Miguel gave him, and he was almost without any help. and Peter and Gwen were barely able to intervene, because they already knew and believed they were trying to convince him not to interfere with his "canonical event" for his own good.
5:31 that "Bye, Gwen" hurt me, because Miles said it believing this is the last time they see each other, since he thought that after returning to his world, he would no longer have anything to do with the Multiverse.
9:57I thought it was very cruel how Miguel sent Gwen back home with the same machine they used to send villains back to their worlds, plus she was resisting, I guess because she wouldn't want them to continue chasing Miles and that "We were supossed to be the good guys" shocked me
The only ways that Miles can maybe avoid endangering "all the people on his planet", are:
1. The other Spidermen bring in technology to try to contain the damage, like they did for the Indian Spiderman... And they succeed.
2. Because Miles isn't meant to be Spiderman, he gets lucky in that his life doesn't have to include all the usual Spiderman events.
Either way, it'd be a cop out. The only good ending here is that Miles experiences his loss, and grows, like all the other Spidermen.
Gwen's line was hypocritical. All they are doing is sending her home. She was resisting cuz she didn't want to go back to her dimension. Not stop them. She was just like "I'm not coming".
I know man, that scene broke my heart
@@Leto2ndAtreides With other spidermen's Canon Events changing and universes having their own absolute points. I don't think there's one good ending here or if there is a good ending. The multiverse is more complicated than it seems and unstable already. There's a good chance that what might work for Peter may not work for Miles. That even if his father follows the canon event it might meant nothing since nothing happened to Gwen's father when he resigned as a captain. It's scary how the universe managed to adapt to the rewriting when it can just disrupt, at this point everyone is walking on eggshells, you will never know when and which is the next incursion.
@@eris5497 The idea that canon events in the lives of "Spiderman" were somehow so important that entire universes could collapse because of them was an utterly crazy premise anyway.
If that's true for Spiderman, then you'd assume that it's true for Iron Man, Hulk, X-Men, and countless other characters.
The writers went completely retarded when they created that idea as the base for the conflict between Miles (not one of the more likable Spidermen) and all the other Spidermen - many of which are more interesting for the most part.
3:07 If you look closely when Miles glitches, you can see him glitch into himself wearing the Spider-Man costume he bought from Stan Lee in the first movie
Damn that's an amazing detail.
Man, good eye, didn't even notice that
This trilogy really is a gift
@@Ikea_Shark990 It ain't even a trilogy yet 😂
@@batmanvsjoker7725 hopefully it will be
Miguel tearing through the sheild while Miles was helplessly watching was done so well
he just knew it was the end for him unless someone helped out, that's why he pleaded to the console operator with that defeated look
@@MarwanMahdy its even more special given margo's bad relationship with her parents. miles' love for his dad, even after telling her that he relates to her, probably inspired her to do the right thing
you cant tell me that wasnt an intentional jojo reference
It also shows how unstable he is. He could have destroyed the machine and got it rebuilt later but he was so tunnel visioned on Miles kept having at something that clearly was not going to budge.
@@MarwanMahdyblack power
7:03 I love the sound effects and editing in this scene. It’s sounds organic and natural
7:33 quick reminder the spider-sense only goes off when spider man is in harm's way/real danger.
The spider-sense didn't activate during the train chase, wich means Miguel wasn't planning to actually harm him. But since it did in this scene... well, let's say Miles was lucky spider-byte didn't lower the shield...
The spider-sense can be fooled.
Especially is the user really thinks the person attacking them is a good person.
His spider sense was activated that entire time up until he got back to the lab.
Other Spider totems don't set it off. Neither does the Venom symbiote, or its spawned symbiotes, since it was bonded to Peter.
Common misconception. It’s just precognition, not only for danger.
Miguel definitely wanted to still hurt him.!That whole train sequence was not Miguel trying to reach for him or reach an understanding it was to hurt him for questioning his identity. He tried to destroy his very identity, then belittle him, when he called for help he smashed him into the ground.
3:46 we really not gonna talk about him calling and reaching for peter like he's asking for help. Even with all thats going on he still looks up to him and relies on him and it hurts that peter couldn't help him here
Not suprising that he’s asking for help either. Miles is 15 in this movie, 14 in the last one
I'm going to say something really controversial I blame Peter for not even bothering to help miles and yeah I know he had May with him but he could have had just asked Gwen to hold her so he can fight Miguel because let's be honest he can stand a chance against Miguel it just pisses me off that he didn't even try to defend miles
Theres a bigger picture here. Every single spiderman has accepted cannon events, but deep down they want to fight it. Gwen and peter b are conflicted, they were told thats the way it has to be but they see miles fighting with everything he has to go against it. They want to help but they are conditioned not to. They dont help because of their conditioning but they dont stop miles because they believe in him, in this story hes the purest spiderman.
Yea, that hit hard, man. Thanks because i actually missed this.
@@ItzSam._.324 I blame all of em, Gwen and Peter mostly. Its fucked up being setup by your friends.
7:37 When you think you got away with not doing the homework but the teacher's pet raises their hand:
😂😂
That so true😂
when there is one last slice of cake
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Since nobody's with Miguel here, I'll be the one on his side because he's rational enough and Miles is so stubborn in this film. (I really like him from the first film though). Remember the earlier scenes where Miles sneaked through the portal, that was the first mistake, and the second was he kept messing things up in the Pavitr earth. I hate when he didn't listen to Gwen or anyone, just kept being stubborn, cocky, and kept messing around acting like he's the main hero who can use the power of friendship or will power to nullify reality and reason. People are siding with him while forgetting how messed up he made. I swear if Miguel were white or Asian he'd get canceled for this. I may get hated for this, but whatever, I'll defend him from the world even if I'm the only one.
8:47 “ Because you Miguel, aggressively hurt Miles, you told him his dad had to die, you threw a trash can at him, and you trapped him in a cage, that’s why.”
I will never call Miguel O’ Hara or the Spider Society the good guys.
Shit I wish the Spiders That *Did* Break their canons made their own canons made their own group to stop Miguel when he does shit like this
He doesn't deserve to wear a mask if he think that's the only option.
"You're just a kid who has no idea what he's doing!"
To be fair, Miguel, a lot of the Spider-People were like that at one point in their lives
Miguel doesn't understand that because he was an adult when he got his powers and unlike the rest of them, he INTENTIONALLY aquired his powers. It wasn't an accident.
@@kidprime6863 It was an accident, his coworker sabotaged him. Read the comics again
Miguel really has no right to tell Miles that he was a mistake just because he didn't realize that Miles-1610 was never supposed to become Spider-Man. The spider from w-42 ended up in w-1610 because Kingpin's first collider test caused it to transport to that world, Spot was created from the collider going unstable and Miles was just trying to stop it, and Miles didn't mean to get caught up in Peter-1610's fight because he ended up finding the collider room by accident. Even if Miles hadn't interfered with Peter-1610, Miles couldn't have saved him because he had no way to fight against any of those villains. Peter-1610 still could've died even without Miles' interference or the spider biting him. No one had any control or ability to stop the canon events from diverging because the SoSP hadn't formed yet, and Miguel can only blame someone else and treat them like the worst event in the entire multiverse's history because he's a hypocrite.
@@spenserfarman3045 When you say Peter 42 do you mean Peter from 1610? We don't meet a Peter Parker from Earth-42; plus I'm pretty sure it was hinted at the Earth-42 Mile's Morales was supposed to be spider-man and Miles 1610 was supposed to be the prowler.
That’s how MOST of the Spider People started
Miguel's premise of "Canon Events happen and there's nothing we can do about it" is the literal antithesis of "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility", which is all about doing the EVERYTHING you can, even when there is no hope.
But great responsibility also means great care. Messing with powers or forces beyond your knowledge and control is how you get Strange Supreme. If anything, in my opinion, he's taking Great Power and Great Responsibility to the utmost extreme, which is still detrimental, but not the antithesis. They're not dealing with a city here, their choices will affect every world in all of the multiverse. Not saying he's doing it right, but that task will and has taken a toll on him.
@@excaliburknight1016 that extreme could also be born from his one mistake and the revelation of the consequences. Remember, a timeline/dimension had collapsed because Migel had thought to replace a version of him who died. There’s also another thing to point out: gwen making up with her dad. If migel saw what happened there, pretty sure he’d call that a “breaking of a canon event”, as, for a short while, Gwen’s dad was police captain… but he quit the job.
Migel, even if to protect the multiverse, is acting too strict and hard over the supposed choices made. Has to be a reason that it’s called the MULTIVERSE! Not every event goes canon because there’s always an alternate choice made somewhere else. Pretty sure dimensional collapses are caused by the world colliders that Spot is siphoning off of, anyway.
@@lanluhylrean1122In a way, Miguel causes a canon event to not happen by sending Gwen home. Miguel doesn’t know that Gwen will make up with her dad, he makes the decision to quit while she’s talking to him. That wouldn’t have happened if Miguel hadn’t of sent her back home.
@@excaliburknight1016 It’s rather the fact he’s not trying to find another way. He’s letting many universes lose people, because he thinks some algorithm defines it. Because that’s his best way out. Miguel has his doubts and the book for the verse States that he does. But he never acts on even trying.
Even if it means the literal death of the multiverse 👍🏻
4:52 I love the proud reaction Peter had here and Miles' smile after baiting Miguel and everyone else
0:23 the baby saying “uh oh” when they got Peter’s location…just noticed that
The details in this movie 👌
It saddens me that I’ll never get to see this amazing chase scene on the big screen again. Even the biggest of TV screens don’t do it enough justice.
They might show it again when the second one comes out!
@@Igriumhonestly, once the trilogy is out, I'd be down for cinemas organising Spiderverse nights, just like they do with LOTR and all. These movies are made for the big screen and it's really an amazing experience.
Solution. Rent a movie theater for a day and then play this movie. Boom. Problem solved.
@@Marvelfanatic3658 it would cost me at least $200 to do that
@@Marvelfanatic3658
What's your background like where you think this is even a remotely reasonable solution lol?
3:27, 7:57
Is anyone gonna admit how insanely close Miguel was to completely killing Miles?
(8/24/24 edit: TY for the likes, but… are you going to keep arguing in the comments?)
Also 2:55 he was ready to slash miles apart
what's there to admit?
he was
he sadly failed
He wasn't gonna kill him. If he wanted to, he'd be dead already.
Nah if he wanted to he could do it like at least 6-7 times, even when he shreds time-space web with fierce he detaches his claws after start tearing 8:02 8:02
yeah, it did seem like that, he had even destroyed him his suit and barely measured his blows when he already got him
Miguel really has lost his way. He’s not even technically wrong with his viewpoint. Miguel suffered his own losses and feels immense guilt over what he did and he is trying in his own way to right the wrongs he committed. Yeah you can’t save everyone, not even Spider-Man can save everyone. But you know what makes Spider-Man great? He tries anyways. If he fails he doesn’t give up trying to save everyone and more often than not Spider-Man always finds a way and pulls a miracle.
I think there’s truth in this, BUT I also think that Miguel is the true villain. There’s something he’s hiding. The claws, the fangs, the cape, the injections and many other things make me think he’s not a pure spider person. At first he gave off that “brooding damaged male” trope, but the way he flies off the handle makes me think there’s more he’s hiding. Sure, the need to allow canon events to happen might be necessary, but Miguel’s abuse and hated of Miles is pretty unwarranted. Especially since its pretty obvious that it’s not Miles’ fault he was bit by earth 42’s spider. He’s not the original anomaly. Also I think if he was a real anomaly, his world would’ve disintegrated the second he was bit. There already was a Spider-Man in his universe. Gwen being on earth 1610 is also an anomaly. I think there’s something directly linking Miles and Miguel and Miguel hasn’t told anyone. His story is a half truth. Either way, I can’t wait for the next movie. I’m prepared to have my mind blown
I feel like he sees Miles as a living contradiction to Miguel’s canon event theory and can’t cope with that. What I mean is that Miguel says the Peter Parker in Miles world was not supposed to die and yet that world did not unravel. If changes to the canon like an uncle Ben figure surviving or a Captain Stacy figure is enough to unravel a whole world then shouldn’t the person who was supposed to live through those events dying just mean its over? Miguel when asked if they know what will happen if the canon is broken just shuts it down with “do you want to know!?” Which shows even he doesn’t have an answer. I feel like he’s still dealing with the guilt of losing his family and finds solace in the idea that it was his mistake and that that is the definitive way they would have gone out due to his meddling but now he is seeing Miles defy that logic which is why Miguel is so volatile towards him. Just my interpretation on him as a character.
@@denver9290 I know this is an old comment, but none of that is unique to this movie. That's just basic Spider-Man 2099 stuff.
And Miguel tried to steal the life of another Miguel just to become the father of a daughter he could've have like he's the Scarlet Witch. The daughter in that was presumably supposed to become the Spider-Person of that universe but Miguel ruined it out of a petty desire.
Thank everyone’s talking about how Miguel is right and Miles isn’t seeing it. But HOW DID MIGUEL GET TO ANOTHER UNIVERSE AND DESTROY IT. WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS ORIGINAL UNIVERSE. HE IS THE ANOMALY!
5:10
That’s what makes Miles different than the other Spider-Mans. And I LOVE IT!
9:03 love how Ben Reilly is just casually checking his muscles amidst an argument 🤣🤣
Typical 90s character behavior xD
Only for him to get packed up by Gwen in that final scene 🤭
Honestly, Ben’s just me in that situation
2:52 This was the best scene in the whole movie. You can practically taste Miguel’s rage. Oscar Isaac was born for this role.
The tension build up was phenomenal. And when most of the audio dialled down when Miguel told Miles the truth, I was absolutely on the edge of my seat
@@wubbsy1 Absolutely! I loved the part where it stopped Mile’s heroic “I am Spider-Man“ speech moment, literally smacking him down to reality.
I guess you could say, he deserves an "Oscar" for the role.
I hope Miguel has been right this entire time, it would really slap the nonsense in this movie
5:32 You can see the tears in miles' eyes!
4:03 I seriously love how distant the score becomes. Almost as if Miles realizes he doesn’t just gotta peace out.
He’s also gotta distance himself from his “friends”.
That train chase scene was the best Spiderman action sequence to ever grace the big screen. You can't change my mind
it's a highway to the moon
Yeah uhhh no
Nooo I think electro and spiderman in asm2 could be a great argument against that
but imagine if they make the highway to the moon casue it's not a train into a live action scene @@joshuasharp359
Ok
The best part about Miguel's whole spiel is that he's basically projecting. Everything he accuses Miles of being, he secretly thinks about himself.
Exactly, I can understand that he desperately wants to prevent other Spider-Men from making the same mistake. But at the same time he's making them go against everything they stand for to do it.
TOTALLY!!!!! He wasn't even bit by a radioactive spider!
This was the most perfect thing about it, I rewatched it today and it was basically like Miguel was talking to his past self 🤣
@@haaather7131 Of course not. In the comic, he was genetically spliced.
@@haaather7131 Nah Miguel is one of the best spider-man variants in the comics and deserves the title, he’s just extremely scared of the consequences after witnessing them as a result of his own mistakes in this movie
Miguel looked like he was a half step from a psychotic break when he told Miles, "All this time, I've been the one holding it together."
Homie, you do not look like you're holding it together.
It really doesn't matter whether or not Miguel is right about Canon Events (It does, but bare with me) , 'cause he is not well and this ain't it.
3:30 this scene had me sat up in the theaters
Me to
"Good things happen too, like you" hits so damn hard once you learn about the original anomaly.
Everyone already knows this, but won't get tired of saying it, this movie is brilliant.
I'm not going to liar Miles Morales vs Miguel O'Hara and all of spider Society is the most hardest chasing and fighting ever
I don't know if it's the hardest but it is the most detailed... Not one single molecule is accidental and it's all flawless... I think it might not be so fast. I can't tell, but that could be part of the point. There could be subliminal messages in Is there and that would make it even crazier
You’re not going to Liar???😂😂😂
@@blossom1643 he might as well be with that grammar 😂😂😂
@@aidenemerson670it’s not the spelling that’s the problem it’s the grammar 😂
@@Thatonequitekid2 happy?
someone already spotted this for sure, but in 3:07, it's cool to see miles glitch out into his old suit before he took the leap of faith!
I ain't even noticed that
Every time I learn something new!
that's super cool
Okay so I noticed that too and came to the timed comments 😅
During this scene when he glitches slow the video speed down to as low as possible, does it seem like it also shows a real version of miles?? Or am I reaching there ?
If Miles was never supposed to be Spider-Man why should the canon apply to him?
Good question..i have wondered the same.. but I think since he is now, he has to go through it on behalf of the person who is actually supposed to ??
it’s literally miguel just projecting. The irony of the whole thing is the implication of him not being spider-man thru unethical methods (miguel’s viewpoint) when the irony is Miguel, Jessica Drew, Miles, Gwen are Vastly different spider-people. Miguel essentially grief ridden and that’s because he believes the incidents regarding multiversal leaks or cannons being disrupted because of variants originated from Miles’s dimension. Which has nothing to with miles again just irony. He’s being a hypocrite but hes aware cuz he thinks what he went thru is justifying.
It probably doesn't since the Canon already happened to the original Peter
It simply doesn't. Miguel is just trying his hardest to be the smart one. He's yelling at Miles about being a mistake, so the canon doesn't apply for him since he never was supposed to become Spider man. He said it himself, if Miles never became spider man, his Peter would alive. And if Miles becoming Spider man isn't canon, nor is Peter dying, it's quite clear that he has no canon, no events that are set in stone. Miguel is mad at his own mistakes that he can't even think straight.
Miles figuring out that computer in a min was crazy
“You’re a terrible mentor”
“You’re a mistake”
Me: Hey nobody’s perfect
You're right
I know right? He's like saying that he's perfect.
0:57 Miles!
"well he did beat you so I'm not a terrible mentor"
😂😂😂😂
Just realized that at 3:22 when Miguel said there's a world out there without Spiderman, it has the same whistle that played when Uncle Aaron was revealed later in the movie. Great detail
Good ear!
Jesus is NOT GOD, Their is NOT SAVIOR. Do not accept him, people treat him like an Idol
@@ImDonebyebye incorrect
@@ImDonebyebyelike all other gods in other religions
4:25 “Who decides that?”Miles was channeling his inner Escanor
🤣🤣🤣😊
Wait til becomes...*The N-gga Above All*...
😢
3:30 “YOU’RE A MISTAKE!!!”
Miles saying "snitch" was the best 2:50
Might be another ultimate foreshadowing right there
@@FrancoDoodsGamingwdym? Explain plss
@@FrancoDoodsGamingsnitch is another term for tattle tailing, that girl snitched his spot on the side of the car
@@SteckTheStickman snitches get stitches
@@SteckTheStickmanbut thats not foreshadowing though
1:42
I love how Miles nonchalantly says "that's not good"
This was the best scene of the whole movie. "Nah I'm a do my own thing". That how I live my life.
Everyone keeps telling me how my story is supposed to go. Nah! Imma do my own thing! That was both a powerful and badass line, that's why I love shamiek moore
You can't change your destiny, no matter how you try. If you do, you pay the price or someone you know will pay the price because of your actions.
I can relate to Miles. People telling me I'm a mistake or not meant to be somewhere, but I still succeed in life because I don't give up
@@elsanieves5361not true free will wins in the end, u can shift fate
@@honestybaddie no you can't, you only delay the outcome and until that happens you pay the price of your attempt actions.
"We are supposed to be the good guys" by Gwen stung more than Miles venom
2:01 "What are those?! Claws? Dude, are you sure you're even Spider-Man?"
Spiders have claws
A cross between Spiderman and Wolverine lmao
@JCZ-11 actually, yes. They have tiny claws, what's how they are able to cut off an end of their webs. Obviously, they are for making webs and traversing them, and it ends at that.
A lesson we can learn from Miguel here: When you try to take control of everything else, you lose control of yourself. Don't try to take take control of things out of your league. Take control of things that you are affected by, and of yourself.
He is affected by the canon events are y’all dumb miles trying to stop his canon can ruin the spider verse
@@emmanuelandrew6513 He wasn't like this before him beginning the spider-society. He was pretty light-hearted. But because he tried to control everything else he lost control of himself.
@@emmanuelandrew6513people are hung up on emotions for mile and fail to see the dangerous logic behind Miles perspective of:"Imma do my own thing."
@marlonquintana3466 It's not just about emotion. It's also the fact that Miguel doesn't actually know what the Canon is. He just assumes it's when somebody dies. Miguel spent years taking his frustration out on other Spider men due to the family he lost, a family that wasn't his to love. And then he puts it all on Miles. He says Miles isn't ALLOWED to do anything and even says he shouldn't be allowed to exist. And all of this while knowing that everything is Spot's fault. Hundreds of lives are on his head and he doesn't care. Anything so he doesn't have to be wrong.
@@tyratyra5549 Exactly.
People always say "you can't have your cake and eat it too" but it's so refreshing to hear someone ask why not. Too many give up for what is easy and not what is true to themselves
I agree with you
Unless you bake 2 cakes
@@landonlinevision8481
That sounds like a lotta work, gonna need more pairs of hands--Oh, it's Teamwork.
That's how we surmount the seemingly impossible, by working together.
You know what... you're right! I won't divorce my wife, I'll just keep seeing my mistress in secret!
Thanks random commenter! You've helped me make my life so much easier! ❤
@@eon5323 you’re welcome
Notice how Miguel's whole demeanor changed from mildly angry but focused on stopping Miles to Completely pissed and focused on putting Miles in his place once Miles said that "Are you sure that you're even Spider-man?"
6:09 Spider-Byte's mask changes with each view she goes through.
Love the fact that Miles was being genuine when he said “I have a plan, I just haven’t you told you it yet” because he did have a plan.
Also the “No! You’re lying, I’m Spider-Man!” just reminds me of how young he is and how fucked up this whole situation is, idk man, it’s something about his tone.
Its the passion of a kid trying
Yeah it's the one point in the movie where he still sounds his age, a kid, and it's one of my favourite bits
As a certain UA-camr whose name I forgotten. “Miles Morales is not Spider-Man. He’s not the Spider-Man that Miguel O’Hara or the others are”
3:28 I wanna protect him 😭😭😭😭 :( he doesnt desewrve any of this
5:34 imagine this scene without context.
Just like how Sunny spun upside down!!
Makes sense to think of that as a Omori player lol
Miguel has no business being this hard on miles, he didn’t choose for any of this to happen, he didn’t sign up to be spiderman, it was spot who robbed dimension 42 of their radioactive spiderman spider. All of this was both spot and kingpin’s fault.
yet people blame miguel
Good Point!
4:03 and the blows just keep coming.
Miguel snapping is horrifying lmao. I always loved how Miguel was the one guy that didnt have a lot of Spidey traits, but he was still Spider-Man because of his sense of responsibility.
I'm not defending the writing for this scene, but I think the reason Miles is able to get away from the other spider-people is because he's desperate, while the others are just casually following orders. The only one that wants to really stop him is 2099, and even he's under the impression Miles isn't very adept in Spider-maning because hes a relatively new. spider-dude.
Spider-Sense also basically kicks into overdrive when being outnumbered like this (at least it does for Peter from what I remember but I assume the same would be true for Miles) and all those Spider-People are messing each other up because they aren't working together and have no game plan.
It's basically like what the three Peters in No Way Home were doing at first, except in here there's like hundreds of them, some of which are vastly different from the average Spider-Man, and none of them ever stop to 'regroup' or form a plan real quick.
Another fact is that despite being a large army, they aren't meant to fight in that large of a number. We see with the case of Miguel catching an anomaly, he only sends 2-3 Spider-People to detain one. Because they piled up on Miles they are in a literal crowd where only a few can attack at a time, while Miles is far more versatile with an actual plan.
1.Spider sense goes on a hyperdrive while outnumbered
2.Its much easier to escape than to catch someone
3.Spider people aren't great at team work.
4.Many of them weren't trying that hard.
@@imnotakingimnotagodiam..ab9455
Yeah I failed to see the issue of that it wasn't that impossible for it to happen
It's also just the fact that spidermen are going to inherently suck at catching spidermen. They are much better at escaping than they are at catching, it's like a bunch of dudes covered in grease trying to catch another dude covered in grease.
8:24 I wanna talk about this moment. She had the chance. She didn't abort the machine. And gave him a look. How did he knew she's won't be aborting because he wouldn't have pulled down the mask?
If u pay close attention she nods a bit then he nods and puts in the past but it's a very slight nod
You can see her smile so slightly and approve with the smallest nod . It’s such a subtle facial expression and it’s perfectly natural
Spider sense
5:04 Miles speaking directly to the audience about strict rules in place about Spider-Man telling everyone that He's going to be doing Spider-Man in HIS own way.
this was a small thing they were trying to push in the marketing of this movie
like itsv was "anyone can wear the mask"
atsv is "it matters how you wear the mask"
I wonder what they'll try to push with btsv
Miles: "your suit is the wrong color."
Miguel: "YOU'RE THE WRONG COLOR"
☠️
bruhhhhhh
@@zachariahkelley5298. And that's why I support the Mario movie. No more, badly written superhero movies with cringe fanboys!
@@erikbihari3625I saw you comment that Miguel was an inheritor in disguise lil bro. You are the cringe one.
@@ozansimsek1660. I got the idea from a video made by some spiderman fan! ;)
Even though Miguel’s powers work differently to the other spider-men/women, his powers are still spider oriented nonetheless. He has retractable claws because (in real life) spiders that are too heavy to use suction, often have retractable claws. He has (retractable) fangs, because (in real life) spiders have fangs, and he can inject a paralyzing venom with them (at least he could in one of the comics I owned as a little kid). He doesn’t have a spider sense, because (in real life) neither do spiders… instead he’s got a sort of accelerated reflexes that process information at the same level someone with a spider sense would, which is close enough… but it doesn’t warn him about anything in advanced, especially if he can’t see it with his eyes (which while not entirely accurate to real life, is still closer to real life than the spider sense). He wasn’t bitten by a radioactive spider, but instead had spider DNA infused into his body directly. Who knows… maybe he’s been adding more to make himself bigger and stronger.
I think Spider-Sense originated from spiders being able to sense vibrations in the air which can basically give them 360 awareness of their surroundings.
@@TheRedMan77 We knew where it originated as far as actual spiders, but it works well beyond those confines in the comics, even warning Spider-Man before an explosion goes off, or if someone has a gun in their pocket, neither of which have anything to do with vibrations in the air.
@@mistahanansi2264 Well of course Spider-Sense doesn't operate like an actual spider, it's connected to the Web of Fate and is basically a Cosmic Sense. I was just explaining the origin of the concept of Spider-Sense.
@@TheRedMan77 Thanks? But I wasn’t confused about that though…
@@mistahanansi2264 Ah, my bad then.
5:07 For some reason, his line made me remember Stan Lee.
“You’re a terrible mentor.”
Yet, you and all of the Spider-Society couldn’t catch him and were outsmarted by him
And Pete was the only one to catch Miles
thats the irony of it lmfao
thanks for explaining the joke without its punchline :)
Peter B is still hilarious… “as a father of a daughter and a son of a mother…” lol, you know he was about to cook
Man, I could feel that anxiety Miles was having at 7:32, he was so desperate not knowing if he was going to make it.
5:51 bro thinks he’s Adam warlock 😂
love how miguel calls miles a mistake when he hasn’t even been bit by a spider to ACTUALLY become spiderman
That’s what we call projecting anger and fear onto another person.
Difference is miguel became spiderman without multiverse interference
You don't need to be bit by the spider to be Spider-Man, it's the fact that the Miles that WAS bit was NEVER supposed to be, it was ripped from another earth right before the Miles that was supposed to be bit would've been bit.
And also I don't understand how he's different from kingpin, both wanted families from different dimentions at least kingpin didn't ruin a whole dimention but Miguel who actually did that is now "boss" of every spider and in charge of everything? Why is their logic upside down?
what does that have to do with this? Miles fans are stupid just like him
this movie shifts from calm to intense in a split second, along with the fast paced action that you can barely follow, makes it a very special watch. best movie of 2023 hands down.
Across also started out light, like the majority of Into, and gradually got dark halfway into the movie. I think the majority of Beyond is gonna be dark.
Miguel is wrong for two main reasons.
1) Miguel is not well. The film even hints that Miguel is suffering when Miles makes a point about men of his dad’s generation ignoring their mental health too much. Hence projecting on Miles and essentially building a cult he controls with fear. He hasn’t processed his grief and thinks that if he can fix the canon of the universe it is the spiritual equivalent of undoing his mistake and bringing his daughter back.
2) Miles isn’t the original anomaly. The 42 spider was. The spider’s presence in 1610 is a result of The Spot’s decision. The Spot chose to work for Alchemax and to stay in a super collider while it was exploding hence he is responsible for his accident. The Spot has always had agency and continues to make the choice of opening various dark matter holes in the multiverse. The multiverse handles canon disruptions just fine but dark matter actually IS disrupting the stability of the multiverse… Spot is being almost completely ignored by Miguel.
Thank you thank god someone said it
In Miguel’s defense not everyone is perfect
@@markperez9613 yes but doesn't excuse some of things he does with a list
The way the "canon event disruption" plays out in Mumbattan tells me that he might also be behind the destruction of Miguel's universe. We don't know exactly how powerful the Spot is, but he is absolutely a multiversal threat. And yes, the travelling through dimensions also allows you to travel through time, as in "Into the Spider-Verse," Gwen got sent to last week, before the event happened that actually pulled her into Miles' universe.
And 3) MILES' UNIVERSE AND EARTH-42 (FOR ITS ENORMOUSLY LONG NUMBER OF PRPBLEMS) ARE STILL STANDING.
And in the more theoretocal side of things, and seeing how tons of Soideys from different medua across comics, video games, and cartoons are shown or mentioned in the film, one could assume *all* Spider-Man media us canon to the Spider-Verse. Which includes the 90s Spider-Man cartoon (which featured a parallel universe where Spidey still has his uncle and married Gwen) and the preschool show Spidey and His Amazing Friends (whose preschool-friendly nature means many of the Canon Events such as the death of a captain simply won't happen because it would clash too much with its nature, while others such as Mary Jane and Peter's marriage are also unlikely to happen because A) MJ hasn't debuted yet and B) That Peter is a kid. Like, an actual, 10-year-old kid).
6:42 MESSED UP. Miles gets his DNA scanned and it indicates its origins are from earth 42.. so there really was no way home for miles
The computer scanned the Spider’s DNA
If only rest of us knew that we paid attention the details. Miles already was getting into trouble by not getting back home
I see what you did there.
NO WAY HOME-
Say that again LOL
Between both Miguel and Miles, Miles has a point about saving his dad and Miguel is clearly wrong about Miles, I mostly think that he forgot what made Spider-Man in the first place, an accident that both made who he was and gave him his powers plus that hole in Pavitr’s universe wasn’t because of Miles , if you watch Dr. Strange 2, it’s a incursion
No it was from the spot an incursion is where somebody stays in a universe for too long and it makes other universes collide together. If that's what ur saying then my bad for not understanding
An incursion is when someone stays in another universe and causes both dimensions to collide. In the spider verse films, only the person from the alternate universe would die and not both dimensions.
Pavitr's dimension was being destroyed because Miles disrupted a canon event that needed to happen.
Its basically a fixed point in time, which both Dc and Marvel cofirm its things that need to happen and will happen and if they dont happen, time will be destroyed.
Also, Miguel has a point, Miles is so focused on saving his father, while Miguel is focused on saving all creation. In the beginning of the film, he fixed everything that was left unchecked from the first film. Miles will need to learn hoe to sacrifice for the greater good, which spider man in general has to go through sooner or later.
Tom hollan spider man lost everything for the sake of the multiverse. Insomniac spider man lost aunt may for the sake of the world.
@@godspeedforce9371No that was caused because Spot opened a black hole in the middle of the city, and it was being destroyed
God I’m not too keen about MCU shit coming into this trilogy
@@Abyss_Princess Miguel literally cofirms that it wasnt the spot, but the effect of the canon being broken.
Miles stopped a fix point in time, thus caused the destruction of pavitr's dimension
“When you can do the things that I can do, but you don’t, and THEN the bad things happen… they happen because of you.”
That quote from Tom’s Peter fits perfectly with Miles and him choosing to save his dad.
"What's important is not standing by and allowing someone to suffer or die because you do nothing. If you don't get that, you don't get the first thing about being spider man."
@@brainydude8666Edge of Time. nice callback dude
Wow, I didn't realize how this phrase fit in here with Miles.
don't compare Tom with Miles, he actually understands what Spiderman is unlike Miles
@@theamazingspooderman2697 There can be more than one Spider-Man that defines who Spider-Man is in their own way. That was the message that Into the Spider-Verse made. Anyone can wear the mask.
"Sorry man, I'm going home!" - Miles Morales 5:12 from Theatrical Release Opening Weekend
But no sorry man I’m going home
I miss that line
Should've never been removed@@shanecorcoran2542
Not only did it work better for pacing but it helped submit that Miles was more mature. Despite their big differences and the fact he's willing to let his dad die and stop him for doing it, Miles says sorry but I'm going to do differently as a way of saying he doesn't hate him for it.
asian parents when you get bad grades: 3:30
Is that supposed to be a racist joke? If so, you’re not f*cking funny
I realized at 3:00 when miles glitches, it shows him wearing the spiderman merch when he was younger
Same
3:06
Okay so I noticed that too and came to the timed comments 😅
During this scene when he glitches slow the video speed down to as low as possible, does it seem like it also shows a real version of miles?? Or am I reaching there ?
I think the biggest hole in Miguel's whole plan is that Spot is part of Miles' canon event and they know it, yet they also want to catch him?
I think Miguel wants Spot to carry out his canon event by killing Miles' dad, then catch him. That way they don't disrupt the canon and can still stop Spot from doing more damage.
One thing I've thought of was they never said who or what villain would be the one to start a cannon event, just that the cannon event itself was a police captain close to Spiderman would die. So if by some reason Spot didn't exist another villain could trigger the cannon, it just so happened that Spot was a much bigger threat to other universes as well
The bigger thing is if the canon events are so important than our Miles' universe and the radioactive spiders original universe should have already collapsed. The Easter egg of Insomniac's PS4 spiderman means that's a canon universe and Miles is also a Spiderman in that one, so Miles being a spiderman in other universes is a possibility. The fact that a spider was sent thru to another universe and of all the people it could have bitten is another Miles just goes to show that either the canon events can be transferred over to another universe OR that this was actually a multiversal canon event that was supposed to happen. Either way Miguel is the one preventing canon events once again, not Miles. That or universe collapses are not caused by canon events not happening and Miguel's collapse was something else entirely and likely his own fault for some other reason than he believes
The fact that Miguel is literally letting an Anomaly do canon events is going to backfire on him. Miguel is probably exactly how others treated Spot, a villain of the week. The fact he thinks he can control him will prove to be a fatal mistake, nevertheless catch him. They couldn't even catch Miles, meanwhile, Spot decimated Miles, Gwen, Hobie, and Pavitar with little effort BEFORE his transformation.
Spot is a threat to the entire multiverse. They have to stop him.
I don't know why I loved this shot 9:39 it almost bring horror feels
Maybe because he's just an inheritor pretending to be Miguel!
@@erikbihari3625Right! And he's also the vampire typa spider-man!
@@reg1019 The "Vampire" type Spider-Man thing is a result of him getting his powers. Miguel wasn't bitten by a Spider, his DNA was genetically altered and it made him half man and half spider.
@@erikbihari3625 If he was an inheritor, there would be a whole different issue in Spider-Society. Because dead bodies would turn up and whole worlds would be in chaos without their protector.
Miguel is Spider-Man, not one of the Inheritors.
@@reg1019. You mean blood spider? Least that's what he's called in the ultimate cartoon.
Every time I rewatch the train scene it shows how unhinged Miguel is
He's not unhinged, he's traumatized
@@jeffescanto ye
@@jeffescantodifference being?
If you pause at 4:55 and you get a funny meme-able face of Miles!
How’d you notice that 🤣
Lol 😂
2:14 is spine chilling , it feels like we are there , flipping and diving throu the air .... and then the point of climax where he kicks miguel so hard he goes flying lol this should be recognized as his second leap of faith fr.
7:37 when somebody is about to take the last piece of cake
7:37 You're trying to stop your past self going on that First Date
8:00
Peter: What have we done?
True
8:49 Gwen's is going to regret saying that.
Now she's done it 😐
9:08 He was your friend until you broke his heart and betrayed his trust. Some friend.
@@johnsantos507but Gwen still likes miles as a friend, she didn’t mean to break his trust.
@@dinethsfunvideos6449 Oh but she did break his trust. Even if she is going to find Miles, he'll think this is just another Miguel O'hara's plan to capture him and let his father died. So it's already too late.
@@johnsantos507 i mean... will miles hate Gwen forever though? like that can't be canon yet
2:22 why is that so satisfying?!
Because miles knows who he is and won't let anyone tell him who he supposed to be
Miguel's a jerk
@@estefanostesfaye5301 dude I am just talking about the kick. Not Miguel.
@@thegirlofmanyfandoms99 I am only talking about the kick.
I mean miles in intsv wouldn't have been confident to do it but now he knows who he is the kick is nice because miles is. Confident in himself
The frame at 3:30 where Miguel's suit changes colors is so so beautiful. I love how the art styles switch from comic book to technical drawings. The animation for this one scene must've taken hella time
To everyone saying Miles outsmarting everyone is plot armour, I wanna remind Tobey's line in Spiderman-2, "strong focus on what I want". Conviction is the prime source of a spiderman's power. And here Miles' conviction was way more than anyone else, he was saving his father. You see that the only one who came close to beating him was Miguel, whose convction was also the strongest out of everyone else
He's also not a Peter like most of them seem to be. So he thinks differently to them which I think helps him get away. He still has the Spider-Man snark and such, but he still acts and reacts slightly differently to them due to being a Miles and not a Peter.
Honestly miguel was so different than everyone in the movie and i love that
I still think Spot is going to be the reason all the canon events happen, like he insures they either lose their loved one, or the whole world. Like if he can freely jump through dimensions, he can probably do so with time too.
I think he went through an awakening and can manipulate matter in the next movie. Since we did saw him grab every fucking matter around him and throw it at miles's dad in miles' future sight thing
i think they may be setting him up as at least the introduction to the king in black. He's nowhere near as bad as his yellow predecesor, but the face references his comic version and he does reference many of the original lines (particularly 'i wear no mask')
Yep miles was standing on business and he was fighting for himself