I actually won, one of the few things I’ve won in my life 😂 thanks a lot Tom and thanks to Daniel at yFood for arranging the delivery 🎉 The fridge is now completely full of yFood!
Thanks for all your super interesting videos! I'm living in Sweden and have only been to London as a Tourist - about 15 times.. About 30 years ago, I flew into Stansted airport - AND forgot a very expensive bag on the plane. I just had to get it back, so the next day I took a Taxi from Craven terrace W2, to Stansted to pick up the bag. A return trip with the same driver. He was a very happy man. I think I made his day. All my experience with you guys are positive. Keep up the good work!
That ‘Tooting Common’ story actually happened to my mum who was a clippie on the 19 bus. A tourist at the northern end of the route asked for what she heard as TC. She put him off at the Bec and pointed him towards the common when he realised he was way past the British Museum and the Tutankhamen exhibition. So she let him ride back for free on her bus with a ticket she gave him.
@@bigjmlit may be simple compared to London but it’s still relatively hard if you was knew to the area you’d fail it you do have to know the ‘knowledge’
I can definitely see why working at Wimbledon can be frustrating especially with some Marshalls having no clue of the situation. Another great video Tom😊😊👍👍
‘South Molton’ that’s a fair old drive to north devon 🤣 Great content Tom. I love talking to the cabbies when in London, I always mention I watch your channel and they are impressed with my ‘metro’ knowledge around the different taxi types thanks to you.
I enjoy both your and Mark’s cab videos. I was born in Camden but have been living in Southern California for the last 40 years. I do come home but your videos take me back and around my birthplace London in the back seat of a black London cab… C’mon you, gunners!
8:35 and... forgive me if it is different in London but in England in general you can stop on double yellow lines to pick up and drop off passengers or unload or load goods regardless of if you are a taxi or not! It’s a misconception that you can’t stop there! Although in my town people seem to see getting a takeaway pizza as loading goods into the vehicle... but that’s living in a small town with lenient traffic wardens for you.
26:30 story made me laugh, but all so right, always make 100% sure what the passenger wants and where they wanna go. or get them to show a guide book or paper with location name on it first
I think there should be a distinguishing badge or sticker visible from the outside of the cab denoting whether a driver is a Green Badge holder or a Yellow Badge holder. One could then quickly tell which area the driver was an expert in, either the local suburb or the central area of London. This would be more useful in areas on the border of central and suburbs.
Oh the madness of Wimbledon. We lived at the corner of Parkside and inner park road, just before Tibbets corner. Drank many a pint at the green man. My wife managed the Starbucks in Wimbledon village. And enjoyed the trip down memory lane. We left London in 2000.
My dad was a taxi driver in st Helen’s between 1979 and 1981 and also got driver of the year - I remember the trophy was gold plastic with a felt ruby crown at the top similar to Queen Elizabeth’s royal crown.
Great video Tom! With events and big venues like stadiums and the o2, are there drivers who will always work in these areas? The only logical way I could think of doing it would be, depending on preferred working times, if you passed one of those places on the way in, that makes sense to have a look in the area. Stopping by when you're wanting to go home may not be as tempting in case you get a job back into central!
15:14 …. So when new developments create new roads, how do you badge holders get update? Does tfl update you or just when a passenger asks you? Then how does it work for other sector badge holders. Like when the Olympic village finished because you go out to Stratford, how does it work?
You mentioned getting petrol at the shell garage. I thought u drove an electric cab? Love the channel. Super respect. I had two failed attempts at the knowledge!
Electric Black Cabs are hybrid. When the battery has around 5% charge left the petrol engine is automatically engaged and maintains that level of charge (5%) until the battery is charged again. The driver can also engage the petrol engine manually at anytime. So say there was still 70% charge left it would maintain the battery at 70%.The petrol engine doesn’t charge up the battery it just keeps whatever level of charge is in it constant.
Another fabulous video Tom, I really enjoy seeing some of the locations and streets we have visited over the years. We stay at the VSC on Seymour St and try to visit every year. There is so much to see, I don’t think we will ever run out of places to go or things to do in the nations capital. Cheers Tom, thanks for sharing👍
Been out since the 80s,go anyway i think will be quicker, don't worry about the cotton anymore Tom,eg: Waterloo job,id go buck gate/horseferry/lambeth Bridge, just keep them moving even if line feels wrong,GL.
Yes, all trial and error I guess. Some parts of town I instinctively go with the flow, like Bloomsbury or Fitzrovia. Other times I am guilty of riding the traffic, it's just constantly refining routes and getting feedback I guess 😊 I remember when I first got out I was by TCR. Gent wanted Chiswick (later at night I might add). I did the greatest map line ever (Bayswater, Shepherds Bush, Goldhawk Road etc to cut my way down to Hogarth Roundabout). He didn't say anything, but when I dropped he was like; "What an earth was that?". I of course gave a very reasonable discount on the fare. From then on, unless I am obscenely high, if someone says Hogarth roundabout, it's an automatic cue to head for the A4!
Tom, do you do any "revision" when not driving? I imagine you sitting at home, reading the latest maps on your phone, memorising the names of new developments! And is there a way to learn where new restaurants, hotels and other businesses are other than simply spotting them out of the windows of the cab as you drive around?
The knowledge of London is very experiential, in other words you learn by actually being out there doing it. No amount of map/book reading can replace it I'm afraid. 🤷🏽♀️
@@clarenceishmael9615 Yeah, but I was wondering about the qualified taxi driver and how they keep up-to-date with new developments after they have passed the Knowledge.
@@broadsword6650 well I've been a Green badge Licenced black cabbie for 27 years now and I can assure you it's the same story. You have to see and visit these points of interest to really solidify your knowledge.
@@broadsword6650It's a constant stress checking Twitter for roads that have been changed. In the last 2 years more road systems have changed than in my last 30 years in the cab.
I don't suppose you'll be anywhere near Cricklewood on Sunday around 12:30pm would you, I'm bringing my 12 year old son to London for the first time and we want to start at Abbey Rd Studios, My son has autism and ADHD and he would be thrilled if you were available to be his first ever London Cabbie he was to meet, not a problem if you're not working I'm sure we will find another cab somewhere lol
I stayed at the Danubuis hotel a few years ago cus it was in walking distance of the hospital where my son was having surgery. Very nice hotel. Oh and i love your weekly email newsletter, its very informative x
Love these vids. Just a thought though, would be cool if at the end of the shift videos you zoomed out and showed us the map with all the routes you did left on it. Would be super interesting to see how and where you ended up. Cheers!
The knowledge is crazy, I hopped in a cab in front of Selfridges and gave the address, guy put me in front of the door. In the states you basically have to have google maps ready for them.
What happens if someone reports a taxi for refusing to pick up a passenger? I had 4 taxis in a row refuse me because I’m in a wheelchair and I’m guessing they didn’t want to get their ramp out? Is it worth the hassle of me reporting them?
I'm always interested what cabbies think about people driving private cars in town? In all your videos they seem to always be tonnes of cars stuck in traffic with you and the busses making it worse for public transport users. Thanks for the great videos though. My grandad was a cabbie but passed away while I was child so your videos really give me a look into what his job was like 👍
Despite being German I'm into British trains. And any British Rail worker I have spoken to and that particular station was part of the discussion they would all say "Mahrlebone" - there is no "Mary" at that station obviously 😁
Tom, do you get the credit money to your personal account every day? In my taxi company in Oslo we can show other drivers that a customer need a cab by showing our position on the map. Really helpfull.
Howard kott won taxi driver of the year for 3 consecutive years straight ! Around year 2000-2003 Not sure but believe this has never been done before or since
As someone with a bike, I’m fine with black cabs stopping in cycle lanes, but I’m not mad about private hire cabs being able to. Black cabs are simply better drivers and more aware.
Looks like the black car might've been in the left lane and wanted to make a U-turn and not clocked the car on his right-hand side heading the same direction and swung into his (her?) path. This kind of thing is why I won't drive in London (well, that, and the lunatic who ran a red at some speed and came within an ace of smashing into me! I was taking my sister home to Hammersmith after Christmas and had her and Mum in the car; if the merchant banker had hit me, either or both of them would've ended up in hospital.) The return trip was the first and last time I've driven along Knightsbridge.
hahaha. same thing happened with me. a lady asked me how to reach kennigton. i couldn't understand the accent so i asked her to show me the address. apparently she wanted to go to canning town. completely different place 😅
Mad thing!! I’ve been following your channel for a while now and I was thinking to myself just yesterday, ‘I wonder if he’s ever had a fare to Atalanta St? , my brother used to live there!! Mad coincidence!! Keep up the good work Tom, I absolutely love your channel..❤
Idea for you after the Tom scot video. Why not contact Geoff Marshall and do one of his tube races. These are where he races say a Walker or other mode of transport to see what’s faster. Maybe he could race against you. Also love to see vid u too where you tell him some railway facts that link to taxis link to dripping off and he tells you some railway facts linked to taxis so random tit bits history factoids. Then some thinks like where u drop off pic up and both discuss how it works both sides
No because they did not share the taxi. Customers can take their own taxi if they don’t want to share, or if there are no additional passengers. It can’t be more than the metered fare
Do cabbies still refuse to go south of river? Did cabbies ever actually refuse to go south of the river? Why? Popular myth I've heard but having lived in south all my life its never actually happened to me. I do notice you don't seem to go south a lot but that is just the nature of being in the centre, with of course the exception of Wimbledon...
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I actually won, one of the few things I’ve won in my life 😂 thanks a lot Tom and thanks to Daniel at yFood for arranging the delivery 🎉 The fridge is now completely full of yFood!
Tom, could you do a video explaining the different sector drivers, green badge etc, sorry if it exists and I've missed it!
Thanks for all your super interesting videos! I'm living in Sweden and have only been to London as a Tourist - about 15 times..
About 30 years ago, I flew into Stansted airport - AND forgot a very expensive bag on the plane. I just had to get it back, so the next day I took a Taxi from Craven terrace W2, to Stansted to pick up the bag. A return trip with the same driver. He was a very happy man. I think I made his day.
All my experience with you guys are positive. Keep up the good work!
That ‘Tooting Common’ story actually happened to my mum who was a clippie on the 19 bus. A tourist at the northern end of the route asked for what she heard as TC. She put him off at the Bec and pointed him towards the common when he realised he was way past the British Museum and the Tutankhamen exhibition. So she let him ride back for free on her bus with a ticket she gave him.
Because of this channel, I'm now currently learning the knowledge in my home city
The only place they do the Knowledge is London
Elsewhere it’s just a very simple local knowledge test.
They are not comparative
@bigjml you know what I meant
@@bigjmlcan go as deep as you like, I learnt my own knowledge of Luxembourg City 😂
I have not been to London before but can’t wait to go and have this weird dejavu feeling from these videos
@@bigjmlit may be simple compared to London but it’s still relatively hard if you was knew to the area you’d fail it you do have to know the ‘knowledge’
You are the reason that I started doing knowledge this year. God bless you man
I can definitely see why working at Wimbledon can be frustrating especially with some Marshalls having no clue of the situation. Another great video Tom😊😊👍👍
The Waterloo job … Sloane st then Battersea then Vauxhall embankment? Lol 😂
Shift video's are the best video's. Love them to pieces. Thank you.
Thanks
‘South Molton’ that’s a fair old drive to north devon 🤣
Great content Tom. I love talking to the cabbies when in London, I always mention I watch your channel and they are impressed with my ‘metro’ knowledge around the different taxi types thanks to you.
I enjoy both your and Mark’s cab videos. I was born in Camden but have been living in Southern California for the last 40 years. I do come home but your videos take me back and around my birthplace London in the back seat of a black London cab… C’mon you, gunners!
8:35 and... forgive me if it is different in London but in England in general you can stop on double yellow lines to pick up and drop off passengers or unload or load goods regardless of if you are a taxi or not! It’s a misconception that you can’t stop there! Although in my town people seem to see getting a takeaway pizza as loading goods into the vehicle... but that’s living in a small town with lenient traffic wardens for you.
You’re brave. I’ve avoided Wimbledon fortnight since 2010. Just too much grief getting there or away from it.
I just wanted to say, I'm a resident of leeds and after the 12 year rule for taxis we have had about 6 tx4's in exile from london
Finally a driving video again! ❤ I miss those.
Great to have you showing us you doing it on the job.
I really love watching your videos Tom! I love seeing London through them. It is a beautiful city. I see why you like working there!
26:30 story made me laugh, but all so right, always make 100% sure what the passenger wants and where they wanna go. or get them to show a guide book or paper with location name on it first
I think there should be a distinguishing badge or sticker visible from the outside of the cab denoting whether a driver is a Green Badge holder or a Yellow Badge holder.
One could then quickly tell which area the driver was an expert in, either the local suburb or the central area of London. This would be more useful in areas on the border of central and suburbs.
There is. The identifier in the front and rear near side windows is either green or yellow 👍🏻
There is
@@TomtheTaxiDriver Thanks Tom, I’ll look out for that.
I'd enjoy a video with info on how you deal with passengers who's cards decline or they do a runner.
Oh the madness of Wimbledon. We lived at the corner of Parkside and inner park road, just before Tibbets corner. Drank many a pint at the green man. My wife managed the Starbucks in Wimbledon village. And enjoyed the trip down memory lane. We left London in 2000.
I love these videos so much, always happy to see them pop up in the sub box.
Putney hill is always horrendous, i take the bus there a lot into putney, but from the green man pub downwards its usually better to walk lol.
London + Tom, the best mix if you need a ride. Must try to find you next time.
My dad was a taxi driver in st Helen’s between 1979 and 1981 and also got driver of the year - I remember the trophy was gold plastic with a felt ruby crown at the top similar to Queen Elizabeth’s royal crown.
Looks like a good day Tom - great content as always
Great video Tom! With events and big venues like stadiums and the o2, are there drivers who will always work in these areas? The only logical way I could think of doing it would be, depending on preferred working times, if you passed one of those places on the way in, that makes sense to have a look in the area. Stopping by when you're wanting to go home may not be as tempting in case you get a job back into central!
15:14 …. So when new developments create new roads, how do you badge holders get update? Does tfl update you or just when a passenger asks you?
Then how does it work for other sector badge holders. Like when the Olympic village finished because you go out to Stratford, how does it work?
You mentioned getting petrol at the shell garage. I thought u drove an electric cab? Love the channel. Super respect. I had two failed attempts at the knowledge!
Electric Black Cabs are hybrid. When the battery has around 5% charge left the petrol engine is automatically engaged and maintains that level of charge (5%) until the battery is charged again. The driver can also engage the petrol engine manually at anytime. So say there was still 70% charge left it would maintain the battery at 70%.The petrol engine doesn’t charge up the battery it just keeps whatever level of charge is in it constant.
Another fabulous video Tom, I really enjoy seeing some of the locations and streets we have visited over the years. We stay at the VSC on Seymour St and try to visit every year. There is so much to see, I don’t think we will ever run out of places to go or things to do in the nations capital. Cheers Tom, thanks for sharing👍
Been out since the 80s,go anyway i think will be quicker, don't worry about the cotton anymore Tom,eg: Waterloo job,id go buck gate/horseferry/lambeth Bridge, just keep them moving even if line feels wrong,GL.
Yes, all trial and error I guess. Some parts of town I instinctively go with the flow, like Bloomsbury or Fitzrovia. Other times I am guilty of riding the traffic, it's just constantly refining routes and getting feedback I guess 😊
I remember when I first got out I was by TCR. Gent wanted Chiswick (later at night I might add). I did the greatest map line ever (Bayswater, Shepherds Bush, Goldhawk Road etc to cut my way down to Hogarth Roundabout). He didn't say anything, but when I dropped he was like; "What an earth was that?". I of course gave a very reasonable discount on the fare.
From then on, unless I am obscenely high, if someone says Hogarth roundabout, it's an automatic cue to head for the A4!
love these Taxi videos, love it Tom
Tom, do you do any "revision" when not driving? I imagine you sitting at home, reading the latest maps on your phone, memorising the names of new developments! And is there a way to learn where new restaurants, hotels and other businesses are other than simply spotting them out of the windows of the cab as you drive around?
I think about London and the maps all the time! It’s a problem haha
The knowledge of London is very experiential, in other words you learn by actually being out there doing it. No amount of map/book reading can replace it I'm afraid. 🤷🏽♀️
@@clarenceishmael9615 Yeah, but I was wondering about the qualified taxi driver and how they keep up-to-date with new developments after they have passed the Knowledge.
@@broadsword6650 well I've been a Green badge Licenced black cabbie for 27 years now and I can assure you it's the same story. You have to see and visit these points of interest to really solidify your knowledge.
@@broadsword6650It's a constant stress checking Twitter for roads that have been changed. In the last 2 years more road systems have changed than in my last 30 years in the cab.
Atalanta Street Fulham- not too far from Craven Cottage Fulham FC which is about a third of a mile away.
I don't suppose you'll be anywhere near Cricklewood on Sunday around 12:30pm would you, I'm bringing my 12 year old son to London for the first time and we want to start at Abbey Rd Studios, My son has autism and ADHD and he would be thrilled if you were available to be his first ever London Cabbie he was to meet, not a problem if you're not working I'm sure we will find another cab somewhere lol
I stayed at the Danubuis hotel a few years ago cus it was in walking distance of the hospital where my son was having surgery. Very nice hotel. Oh and i love your weekly email newsletter, its very informative x
Hay tom always enjoy every video u make thanks tom always enjoy your content s 😀 good luck 😊
Love these vids. Just a thought though, would be cool if at the end of the shift videos you zoomed out and showed us the map with all the routes you did left on it. Would be super interesting to see how and where you ended up. Cheers!
Great job Tom. 2 wiggles and a shimmy. I can never spot people flagging you down though. So hard to spot.
I feel your pain Tom about Portland place, so annoying. Thanks for the tip Devonshire st.
Whitehall St
Reminds me of Jake & Daddy Whitehall 😂😂😂
Another fabulous video. Would you mind producing video of you working in Morden and in the Borough of Merton. 👍🙏
The knowledge is crazy, I hopped in a cab in front of Selfridges and gave the address, guy put me in front of the door. In the states you basically have to have google maps ready for them.
I have been looking for you in every cab that I see. I would like to meet you before next Wednesday before I go back to the States.
Friday, Monday or Tuesday at this rate 👍🏻 off all the other days
@@TomtheTaxiDriver how about Monday around 1300? I am at Bermondsey Square Hotel.
What happens if someone reports a taxi for refusing to pick up a passenger? I had 4 taxis in a row refuse me because I’m in a wheelchair and I’m guessing they didn’t want to get their ramp out? Is it worth the hassle of me reporting them?
11:10 I think Americans are used to omitting the end part. Like saying they're "driving down main" which is short for Main Street.
have you seen the video Yes Theory did with Reg the cab driver?
I live in Wimbledon right by the tennis and a lot of local residents move out for 2 weeks every year
Great video again, at 23.38 " The Other Mob " hahaha
Yay - another TTTD video for a Saturday night!!
Are you outside the UK ?
@@5340robert Yeah, Sydney.
I'm always interested what cabbies think about people driving private cars in town? In all your videos they seem to always be tonnes of cars stuck in traffic with you and the busses making it worse for public transport users. Thanks for the great videos though. My grandad was a cabbie but passed away while I was child so your videos really give me a look into what his job was like 👍
Have you ever had a subscriber get into your cab? Love the videos!
Were you topping off with petrol? Thought you cab is EV. Is it hybrid as well?
Can anyone please tell me the map app Tom uses at 11:24 ?
Love the content. Do you use google maps when driving?
The taxis in new york have a touchscreen in that spot, could explain that
Great video Sir as always
Despite being German I'm into British trains. And any British Rail worker I have spoken to and that particular station was part of the discussion they would all say "Mahrlebone" - there is no "Mary" at that station obviously 😁
Thanks for this Tom
Need a train station in Wimbledon!
What about ranking outside of Lord's or The Oval when their is a big cricket match on?
They are much better option as they aren’t too far out of the central zone, there’s the chance you can swing by if you are out that way 👍🏻
Tom, do you get the credit money to your personal account every day? In my taxi company in Oslo we can show other drivers that a customer need a cab by showing our position on the map. Really helpfull.
Do you take money off the price if you have decided to take a route that should be a shortcut but ends up taking longer because a road is closed off.
26:39 I couldn't spell it, but I understood right away.
Howard kott won taxi driver of the year for 3 consecutive years straight ! Around year 2000-2003 Not sure but believe this has never been done before or since
As someone with a bike, I’m fine with black cabs stopping in cycle lanes, but I’m not mad about private hire cabs being able to. Black cabs are simply better drivers and more aware.
A cyclist talking about being aware 😂😂😂. The biggest fools on the road are cyclists no wonder they always get hit.
The Wombles love a black cab.
Why Westminster over Waterloo going to Mortimer Crescent?
Could have been better option. If I knew I couldn’t get horse guards and mall I would have.
Screw doing fixed fares, never rank at the 🎾
In a cab sharing situation, how do separate customers pay
My understanding was that at Wimbledon it’s a fixed price per head to certain areas . Example here was £10 per passenger.
Hi Tom - do cabbie or phv drivers pay cong charge or they r exempt
Licensed London taxis exempt. PHV drivers have to pay
Still trying to figure out how that accident happened at 7:03. Both cars are at awkward positions?
Failed U-turn maybe?
Looks like the black car might've been in the left lane and wanted to make a U-turn and not clocked the car on his right-hand side heading the same direction and swung into his (her?) path.
This kind of thing is why I won't drive in London (well, that, and the lunatic who ran a red at some speed and came within an ace of smashing into me! I was taking my sister home to Hammersmith after Christmas and had her and Mum in the car; if the merchant banker had hit me, either or both of them would've ended up in hospital.) The return trip was the first and last time I've driven along Knightsbridge.
I think it’s a u turn so they could get a left for the bridge
hahaha. same thing happened with me. a lady asked me how to reach kennigton. i couldn't understand the accent so i asked her to show me the address. apparently she wanted to go to canning town. completely different place 😅
Some of those customers must love to throw you the odd curveball just to see how you react lol
How much is Wembley Park to Wembley Central
So what you're really trying to say, is that being a London cabbie; it's much like if there were a such thing as Londoners Jeopardy!
If I'd I heard South Molton, I would have assumed the town in North Devon.
Can you pick up/drop off on red lines?
Yes
Mad thing!!
I’ve been following your channel for a while now and I was thinking to myself just yesterday, ‘I wonder if he’s ever had a fare to Atalanta St? , my brother used to live there!!
Mad coincidence!!
Keep up the good work Tom, I absolutely love your channel..❤
Hey mate - why not try and make a series called "confessions of a black cabbie" fjlled with interesting stories frkm yourself and other cabbies
I’m seeing the link to Yfood’s website but not the entry form.
In the description box 👍🏻
Is your nickname , longways😂😂😂
tibbets corner 😂
Duke Street, Glasgow 😂
Yayyy my area of London
Hi Tom have you paided off your taxi yet Ali Walsall west midlands england junction 10 m6 Walsall churckery
Toot toot, aye aye 🤣
Always had issues with drivers at Wimbledon Rank getting shitty if I wanted to go to Raynes Park.
Haha,I love how you're talking about how Wimbledom always dresses up the shops nicely, while all I was seeing was the grey sky and rain 😂
Idea for you after the Tom scot video. Why not contact Geoff Marshall and do one of his tube races. These are where he races say a Walker or other mode of transport to see what’s faster. Maybe he could race against you. Also love to see vid u too where you tell him some railway facts that link to taxis link to dripping off and he tells you some railway facts linked to taxis so random tit bits history factoids. Then some thinks like where u drop off pic up and both discuss how it works both sides
I would love this! Always think about this. However he's pretty difficult to find contact for! Perhaps I should drop him a line on Twitter
@@TomtheTaxiDriver yes do it you could both learn from each other
Would love to hear your thoughts on the ULEZ expansion?
Nice £500 shift Tom lol
If you enter the competition do you have to get the fruity flavours
Yes 👍🏻
Not all cabbies . not been there for 3 years now .
So your fare for the first job was not fixed at £10?
No because they did not share the taxi. Customers can take their own taxi if they don’t want to share, or if there are no additional passengers. It can’t be more than the metered fare
Do cabbies still refuse to go south of river? Did cabbies ever actually refuse to go south of the river? Why? Popular myth I've heard but having lived in south all my life its never actually happened to me. I do notice you don't seem to go south a lot but that is just the nature of being in the centre, with of course the exception of Wimbledon...
That long awkward pause at the ending, can I ask, do you do that on purpose?
Must be hell for those living there.
If you mean Wimbledon, more than a few residents make a fortune renting their house out for the fortnight.
Ruined by TFL, again.. sector 7 no knowledge of the area and not licensed, but a back hander from a certain marshall ensured they could..
Hi tom have you paied off gor yhe taxi yet ali walsall west midlands england junction 10 m6 Walsall churckery
Another year and a bit to go...! will be 5 and a half years total