Why Black Desert isn't MAINSTREAM
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Just my take on what holds BDO back from being a mainstream game.
All of the numbers are very simplified because the actual calculations were quite complex and needed assumptions. Overall the numbers depicted in this video are exact but the total time is immense none the less. I did not mention p2w as I don't see it as a hurdle or major factor.
For a game you could play 100's of hours, $100-200 will set you up with all the main things you need from the cash shop which I think is fair.
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I dont really think the time getting gears the problem as much as the problem being the shit you do to get said gear. If this game had more fun variety of ways to getting the gear i doubt nearly as many people would care if it takes as long as it does. Game needs more activitys that competes or at least comes close to silver per hr at grind spots. Personally i enjoy the idea of long term gear progression, i just want more shit to do with my friends.
i completely agree with this
Dude not many people even with those changes is willing to invest that kind of time. It's the sheer frustration it causes.
Yeah. if i could progress gear just by doing the things i love which is PVP then it wouldn't be such an issue
Well said bro!
I really like the idea that just by crushing monsters, I can earn money for top gear, this process itself is good, both graphics and animations, but the time required is a problem here, but in general, activities that are not stressful for a solo player would also be good thing.
I'm coming up on 2,400 hours in BDO. My main is 602 gs. I spent the first couple years playing alts, so I have every class at 61 (my family fame is as high as it can go), but I only recently started trying to push my gear a bit. Funny fact, I didn't grind at all for the first couple years, so I just sat on all the stuff I was getting, and STILL have 500+ hours of loot scrolls I had saved up from that time..
Calculating how much time and silver it would cost to get to 700+ gs just makes me laugh when I consider how many hours I already have in it. I don't mind so much. I enjoy the game because there is a million things to do and work on, always something to keep me engaged. I'm personally a big fan of the regular flow of new classes to the game. As an altoholic, it keeps the game fresh constantly.
I stopped playing this game after 3-4 months, even though all my friends from blade and soul transferred to black desert and stayed after I left. Too much fucking grinding, like everybody on the planet knew Korean MMORPG is all about grinding, repetitive, pointless grinding, but black desert really took the term "grinding" to a whole new fucking level, unreal.
the grind is not as painful, the most painful part is the backwards progression, like having a small chance of upgrading is fine, but the punishment for failure is just too much, and this is coming from a guy who is a failure to his parents, and even they didn't punish me this hard.
like even in gambling, if you brought $50k to a cassino, the worst thing that could happen is that you gonna lose $50k, but in bdo, if you bring 10B silver into an enhancing session, you can not only lose 10B but also some pieces of gears that's worth hundreds of hours of grinding, in essence, you bring 10B you can lose 50B or even 100B just from enhancing, this shit is worse than a damn cassino.
100% true
this lvl drop is worst thing on this game...
I feel like Pansy is transforming into his "I love this game, but I'm fed up and tired" alter-ego arc and i'm loving it. Way to keep it 100 Pans.
Lmao. You can see in his face that he is tired.
Realistically, the average player with Seasonal Tuavala is not making 700+mil/h consistently. They aren't grinding with Agris and Max drop rate on all the time, so the average time it takes from Seasonal Gear to Soft Cap 293/381 is gonna probably be more like 600+ hours, not 300h.
I tested this out in last season on a brand new account with no pearl items.
Just grinding, it took me 360 hours to get to 297/377 using Jetina quests and going caphras only (no blackstar gear).
@@BryanHalda And those are statistics from people that know what their doing. I don't so I'm 230/270, uncertain which direction I should be going. Like should I be making more Tuvala gear to grind some fail stacks? Should I graduate from Seasonal as quickly as possible? I don't know because I'm playing casually but even then I'm seeing how bad things are because I doubt my ability to get to 100 stacks without accidentally using it on something unimportant, an important factor for this most recent limited time event.
@@lunarshadow5584 damn, i get how you feel.. im currently on 256/307... and tbh i can't even make 700mil an hour, the most i make per hour is 300mil per hour with drop rate and drop amount buffs... i play for around 400 hours excluding the time I afked, but the amount of stuff you can do in this game... it just feels all too overwhelming sometimes... honestly all my gear, I just bought off the market simply cuz enchancing scares the shit out of me ever since i lost 2 Tet crescent rings :(
but tbh, i honestly still love the game. I play it very slow and try out a lot of different stuff, there really is so much to do in this game, and I am not a max efficiency player, and I do not want to be one, because I actually really like the slow feel of the game.
oh yeh, if youre playing on NA and youre looking for a buddy to grind with, im down >_>, maybe we can help each other out
@@lunarshadow5584 Here's what I've learned as a player since 2015, and the strategy I used last season.
Season....
Get full PEN Tuvala. Finish season journey. Continue to grind season Arsha (or not if you don't like pvp) in areas where you'll make good money but without the chance of running into people often, like far out Valencia locations. When you graduate, take the PEN capotia (ignore the earring).
Do your AP/DP journals.
Do all of the main quest lines. At this point you should have around 250 contribution points.
Buy full tet Loggia gear and level cooking to GURU 1 so you can do the daily imperial cooking turn ins. Make Vinegar and Essence of liquor en masse to help get you there. Turn in the byproducts for more CP.
Save up for TET accessories and buy them off the marketplace. DO NOT TAP.
Work on Jetina quests every day. Don't miss them and there is an EZ pen accessory in it for you. Do Jetina armor and helm first so you can grind out Fallen God pieces.
Buy TET boss armor as soon as you can and get it to caphras level 4. Caphras your TET boss weapons to hit new AP brackets. You should be around 269/320 after season doing this.
When you hit 269ap, which should be extremely easy, you can grind Elvia areas for 500m/hr. Doing this, coupled with daily imperial cooking turn-ins should make you a couple billion a day if you play casually.
Just remember to be patient, save your silver for the next item, and participate in all of the events. They give so much free stuff...it really adds up if you pay attention.
@@lunarshadow5584 just dont enhance. i got 217 fail stack for Tet urugon shoes trying to pen. failed 17 times in a row with crons too.. just buy the gear, unless you want to rage quit uninstall the game.
Once you're ablw to grind a little faster, try going to centaur. with my berzerker, i make about 600m to 800m, just casual 1hr grind everyday. game is not bout rushing, its bout having fun and stressing on ehancement.
I dropped because of the mindless grind. Hours and hours of grind doing the same rotation. Plus the gamble gear upgrade system. Don't get me wrong, the game has a lot of strong points but when things u do at the game start to look like a chore it is time to drop it
they should delete all player logs and everybody will play like zero to hero but not like this grinding logic...
Dont play korean games then , they are all grindy , most of us play the game cuz we love grinding 5-8 hours a day , as simple as that
@@JonModafokin1 but how can you have fun brainlessly playing a game for 8 hours a day every single day doing exactly the same stuff? Thats just delusional talking
@@Unknown_Web_User if by rare drop you mean a distortion no, yes you get happy cause its a few more silver but its just more silver going into the pot and its nothing more than silver. But if youre a collector looking for the rare treasure items sure, but they are almost pointless and require huge ammounts of hours
Facts. The problem is, this game will play you, not the other way around.
You saved me 1,000 hours by watching this video and I love you for that. I love BDO but honestly the grind just isn't worth it when there are so many other games to play.
Couple hours a day is a grind? Not BDO's fault you have no clue how to play and refuse to engage in all the other gameplay other than mob zones.
@@Despond don’t justify part time job game design because you have sunk cost LMAO
@@ArktechFilms Perfectly said
Much more than 1000 hours, i was grinding about 7k hours at very least
So what's a game worth it for you ?
Every other MMOS out there are just meh ...
BDO is the most beautiful with unmatched combat system yet there is a LOT of other activities to do, it's not only about grinding for money and GS
My reason for giving up on this game was the progression. I was already in the end game, I loved the grind and rng to me isn't terrible by any means. Most MMO's depend on rng like boss drops etc. HOWEVER, this is the only game that progression can mean regression. Instead of having a grind finally pay off and feel great, BDO can make you grind for weeks and than you lose. When you inevitably succeed its more of a relief than rewarding. Toxic and unfun. The best example of BDO I have heard was that the developers had created a mona lisa but than decided to draw all over it in crayon. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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My main issue was always enhancing, you have 2 options grind for 37 hours and then buy outfits and not get the upgrade or grind for 100 hours to buy the upgrade and it doesnt actually make a noticeable difference
LOL so true. i just grind to buy the outfit nowadays rather than spending real money for the costumes.
Yup, if the difference wasn't that big I would'nt have complained, but the fact that some people can get 200h worth of grind or more by being lucky and clicking a button which takes like 2 seconds is just too much.
I think it's both a combination of how long it takes to get gear, and the utter lack of endgame. You can pvp way before 720gs. Even if you get to the endgame pvp of 720gs, that's it. It's just pvp, there is no endgame content aside from pvp. That's a huge issue (imo), like why would you play the game for hours on end grinding for gear when you can't really enjoy the fruit of your labor. As I said, pvp is unlocked way before 720gs. So I ask, what do we have for endgame content aside from just the pvp? Other than 300ap running in circle spots, we have nothing.
Correct! i hope PA with the open world they have adding open world dynamic events like in Guild Wars 2 is going to be awesome. I love grinding but the grind in BDO is different killing the same mobs until you get a decent gear just to move in a different spot to grind the same mob is giving me a headache. Grinding in Guild Wars 2 is a whole new level it doesn't even feel im grinding.
@@All0Mighty0Power realy depends on what your prefer for endgame.
I prefer open world pvp/pking and world bosses guilds or party's can fight over.
to my the redundant raiding after hiting max lvl sounds boring to my.
@@blackcrow3718 gw2 have that too world boss, massive WvWvW pvp. With lots of other side stuff to do that doesn't feel like a second job.
@@AonyjsViolmlar05 you cant realy fight against other players for world bosses inside gw2 or pk players inside the normal maps.
@@blackcrow3718 yes but pk in bdo doesn't even have a purpose but to kill low gear players then those low gear players can't fight back then quit the game.
The biggest reason why they wont ever become mainstream is literally the gear progression, you cannot expect NA players to accept gear loss/progression loss. The fact that gear and equipment can break is the biggest dealbreaker for the casual player. Overlooking the mandatory world pvp , and cash shop, the whole matter of gear breaking on fail enhancing is complete BS to the T. Even Lost Ark does NOT break your gear on failure. BDO will Never succeed beyond the current status until the gearing is adjusted and made more forgiving. I couldnt grind hundreds to thousands of hours just to see my progression poof out of existence.
Pretty much what happened to me i was like fk it im going to FF14.
do you realize you can use crons to make sure your gear doesn't downgrade... and with the guarantee pen jetina upgrades it's not that hard to get to say 650 GS.
@@davidpowers9178 welcome to the game that respects your time(: game is amazing. It's definitely not bdo in the combat sense 😅 but it's definitely a gold standard of how an MMO should operate. If you're on primal, I'll add you! I'm on behemoth, but I can add anyone on the primal data center
@@Malddev so you have to get something else to make it so your gear won't break... Which is already baseline in like every other MMO
Sounds terrible
@@brucealmighty5881 simply you can grind for money, saving what u need for the next upgrade, at the same time you can try enchant the accessories u dropped, rift acc etc , so you will progress cuz you saving silver and sometime you can got carried by enchant saving some hrs of grind. If accessories blows up, you still progress cuz the Money you are saving.
If you try to progress only trying to enchant, well.... good luck homie
I had completed seasons, and within 2 months reached 272 kutum, 327 dp. Had one pot piece too.
i decided to quit while grinding the second pot piece.
the amount of time to gear up in the game is too much for me. I can not live in an Mmo, especially when the "frontier" time has long since passed.
it feels like i just have another job.
and trying to convince friends to play was sad af. Unless you start at the same time, good luck talking them into catching up to you after a couple of months.
I dont think them changing how easy it is to gear up would change anything. because there IS so little at end game.
the fun of the game is the journey to end game, that is very clear.
Class balance, metas, FOTM aside, the game is decent. its just a lot of time that youll never get back, doing things others have done, and streamlined all the fun out of.
Just my opinion.
Black desert is a sandbox mmo so trying to get to endgame in it is like saying I’m trying to get to the endgame in gta. That’s why they say enjoy the journey it’s a marathon not a race.
I love BDO, I have free time and I can grind in this game for years. Other MMOs I run out of goals so quickly and then stop. But BDO continues to satisfy. It is not for everyone though, it is very very repetitive.
agreed!
@@imPansy could advise me which boss tet weapons and armor choose from tuvala pen exchange for my Lahn awekening pve?? Thnks 👍🏻
@@JuanR907 you cannot go wrong with Kzarka if succession or Dandelion if Awakening. For armor choose the Red Nose, as you want to PEN it, add 10 levels of caphras, get the Flame to make your red nose a Fallen God armor
@imPansy I think there are alot of factors that keep the game from being mainstream and honestly super successful.
1. The one you heavily addressed which is the gear grind, and the gap between someone who no lifes the game and lets be real someone who has a life and other interests. BDO feels like a game that if you stop you fall further behind others and get punished when you can't fight back.
2. Lack of customization. Character Creation is fantastic, but this is one of the most limited MMORPGS out there in outfit customization. WoW, SWTOR, GW2, FF14 to name a few have an unholy amount of outfit combinations. In BDO you don't have that many, and not all the outfits can have gloves and such modified. If you are gonna have a long grind at least let me spend money and customize.
3. Content, with such a cool combat system there is very few ways to actually use it.
4. Breadth and not always alot of depth. Many of the life skills for example have fallen so far behind and if you get into the game to that point can feel like a waste of time which could kill motivation.
5. Aggressive shop, I would rather pay 14.99 then buy 3 different buffs. (like why jesus).
6. Alts are a big part of mmo's how about the fact if i make a new character i need to rebuy all my inventory and weight like jesus.
Just some of the stuff beyond just grind alot.
I feel like the enhance mechanics they implemented on black desert mobile are superior to the ones on the main game, it is still rng based but the fact that you can increase the odds by simply sinking more enhance materials (black stones, etc) it would be great if they implement something similar on the main game imo.
I only played the mobile game for like a week or two, but the moment they showed me that upgrade system I was wondering why the hell this wasn't the way it is in BDO proper.
@@Tonbizzle basically to cater to the mobile audience. They want the mobile community money. If they gave them a cash grab game. No one would play it on mobile.
I'm new to the game and it has soo much to do. Of course leveling gear is the main stuff but I'm loving the grind to max my horse's skills. I love the fact that you have to walk all the way through to actually get to places. It makes you feel the need to level up your horse and get that professional on training as I just did today. I didn't even start fishing but I always see a ton of people doing it close the the storage guy. I'm playing it for less than a week but I'm really loving it.
I been playing this game for quite sometime now (5yrs +), causally, 2-3 hours per day. The game is a grind. Finally hit 685gs with double pen bs =)
Quality content, Panz! majority of the players already know this but some won't admit, The video is not negtive at all. Keep it up! Updated Awa Striker guide next!!!
Thanks dude!
I'd say if you don't have fun grinding/life skilling to get money to get gear. Then I would say Quit BDO now lol. The whole game is designed to constantly work on gear upgrades FOREVER, as PA will ALWAYS add NEW gear that you have to grind out. Constantly upgrading gear is the "endgame" and that will never change even with future gear upgrades. I've been playing since launch and I Personally LOVE the slow gear grind even with a full time job. WHY? Because MMO's nowadays are too easy. You get max gear within 6 months and then get bored because you beat all endgame content and have no goals to accomplish. BDO always gives me that Diablo feel to it, where I always have gear to obtain or the next goal to achieve. Which makes BDO more fulfilling than most mmo's imo.
I agree with you that the Diablo feel to it is great. But honestly, grinding the same spot for 50-100 hours isn't boring to you?
I do a bit of grinding spend a lot of time Life Skilling these days but at the end of the day i can just spend the whole weekend just living in the game doing i have not got a clue but i must be doing something, i don't worry about my stats, yeah i would love 720gs and full Manos but i am just having fun playing and i think there are a lot of players doing the same otherwise its just going to burn you out, gear will come just enjoy yourself along the way, oh i main Mystic as well and would not have it any other way lol
How long is max gear? Answer = Never
Before: PEN Boss Gear = Tapping / Gambling
Now: PEN Boss Gear = Guaranteed
PEN Boss Gear = Not best In slot e.g. Fallen God / Labreska = Tapping / Gambling
You get PEN Ogre? Congrats! now get PEN Deboreka Necklace
You get PEN Belt? Congrats! now get PEN Deboreka Belt
What PA wants?
You get killed by geared players to frustrate you and buy costumes and progress your gear
You buy costume for crons
You buy value pack
You buy old moon / kama blessing
You buy weight / inventory
basically buy convenience
buy everything that inconvenienced you
Gear Progression? Very simple really:
Luck > Effort
They say the journey is better than the destination:
Here you go:
You - Grind 2 years + to save money for the gear
Other player - Felt lucky, tapped and succeeded
They will never change it and it will never be fair.
I feel like you kept calling soft cap "imo" because it's kinda hard to place a marker on BDO soft cap/hard cap. For arguments sake just call full Pen Tuvala soft cap, 670 mid cap, and 730 hard cap. Reason I say this is because there are still a LOT of people that won't ever pass Tuvala due to "the journey".
exactly, all my characters are stuck at 670 and I've played BDO for a long time.
but the time it takes to full gear 1 character takes years of your life grinding that is IF your RNG is lucky.
even upgrading to PEN Tuvala makes me hate the game imagine doing it on actual BOSS Gear and I've tried a thousand times, it never gets easier one after the other, infact it gets harder and harder.
This is always what I feel and realize every time I sell part of my pve/pvp gear for life skill gears xd. Gearing up is not the problem of the game cause it is what defines bdo other than it's combat. The problem of the game are the lack of content other than pve because most of other contents are not rewarding e.g. pvp stuff and other lifeskilling contents. World, rift and guild bosses should be a lot harder but more rewarding.. If only you can gear up by doing what you like and feel rewarding and efficient this game will be a lot better.
I played BDO for 2 years for 1 hour or less a day and still have 642gs in game it's slow progress but never get burnout and still happy to play the game ❤️ the combat is make me keep playing this game 🔥
^^^^^^ Exactly same lol
Kinda sucks that there's nothing to use it on outside of PvP, where who spent the most is the winner and not who has the most skill 🥲 I'm salty. Game had the most potential to overtake gaming as we know it but they threw it away on grindfest lack of content pay to win.
I really love BDO and currently still playing it. However, I really wish PA consider revamping the whole gear and weapon system in this game to be much more friendly...
It is just high risk, high reward game for highrollers.. There tough gear and weapon system, is actually why many people are attracted to it.. They are making sure it is the true ultimate unlimited sandpark grindfest that should have no end!.. it is not supposed to be there for everyone to be equal, that would make the base game die in a heartbeat.. If you want to be equal, they have nice balanced pvp modes - is the only reason to be equal.. The base game is the pve and silver farm, where sailing and fishing for example should be your forte..
im having fun grinding for 1k hrs, thanks 🙃
Growing up I did play a lot of MMOs that required nonstop grinding, Ragnarok online, runescape, maple story (dear god that game was next level monster grinding), Mabinogi (those who have played this know the life skill grind was brutal way back when) and more. Now I casually play black desert but I truly feel that grind no longer sells. The ironic aspect is that many people complain about there not being enough to progress towards in their mmo (as the genre becomes more story oriented) yet dislike having to work towards a long term goal for hundreds of hours. Goal/gear grinding can be quite relaxing if well paced and ultimately I feel MMOs should be about chipping away at immense goals day by day. The satisfaction is unrivaled once you obtain what you've worked for.
I agree with this. Ive always loved grinding mechanics. Was always an amazing feel to hit a 99 in rs and it was always rewarding. I feel like where bdo fails is that the grind itself doesnt always lead to success. Kills the motivation to grind and in return makes it no longer fun.
I keep going back to MapleStory. Nothing else scratched the itch. FFXIV comes close tho
I agree, I have been playing for 3 years and haven't broken past TET. I hate the grind bullshit even for the T9 I spent way too much time on...
the game should hide every mid and late game activities and alerts for new players. It's too overwhelming! Also the game should make a better new game tutorial and guide in game to tell what player need to know and what to do
bdo is tekken with a 1000 hour grind wall
I hope they add more group content to bdo like more dungeons to party up and go do with boss mechanics like in your other typical mmos. They are just so fun to do with friends
Imo the hours you put in arent necessarily the issue, cause if the game is fun id say you can play it for 7-9 hours daily, the thing is the grind or the silver making methods bdo offers arent fun.. its impossible or very unlikely that someone truly enjoys doing 1 combo of skills for hours to achieve gear in a game, it gets to a point its exhausting.
Also theres no goal in reaching endgame, theres no reward in doing that. Even if you tell me that you can now do Big D PvP i dont care cause theres also no point in doing it, so my take is that bdo players burn their ass just to have the satisfaction of hitting certain gear objectivss that eventually will be pointless cause its a gearing simulator
Update: Debo prices are capped at 126b, mb.
Let me know in the comments how high on #copium you gotta be to justify spending 500 - a thooousand hours grinding
BiceptimusPrime would like to disagree that enhancing evens out. Just saying!
hmm.. so you are saying that PA could remove our account at any moment but how is that any different from other MMORPGs?
Mainstream is a lie and will always be a lie, its just another method to control those who cant think for themselves (but ofc this is only my opinion)
Well ofc i can understand why talking about "whats Mainstream" and where it might come from, like if you ever enter an empty MMO that you think is fun but its not so fun to play alone well what can you say to hopefully fill that empty MMO with other players? you can tell a lie and trick other players into that game right? xD (im just talking complete bullshit)
Sorry bruhh nice video anyways love your content!
@@askarn94 The only difference is you're wasting over a thousand hours and getting high on copium
@@imPansy Fair Enough
that is why you lifeskill and cook/alchemy in underwear. and BDO chat is endgame so im alredy there
amen! Lul
Man this kinda hurst me, i have around 5k hours on bdo almost Bis life skill gear (had) 1 day decided to tap it failed it all dropped the game still miss it but there is no way im going back to that. 5k hours of work down the drain in a mere 17 minutes.
Lifeskillers are exempt from this video. we are master race. But yeah, imagine blowing up 20b a pop T_T. Rough man
Also i belive Weight, bag space should be account wide not carather only.....
I will say that you can acquire top tier (not full PEN) lifeskill gear in a couple weeks of playing. Hunting can make you a ton of money right now, and if you're into grinding you can have Tuvala season gear and make a LOT of money compared to even a year ago. If you ever wanted to come back, now is a good time. Just have to not compare to your old gear, think of it as a new adventure. If you're over it I understand, but I think there's a lot of fun to be had if you start a new journey, hopefully one without gear roulette lol.
Can't you cron that gear? Tbh if you just yolo tapped all your gear and failed that's your fault. The game tells you the success chance. Be more responsible.
@@Rocityman you can not sadly.
We are not talking about playing 4 hours a day, we are talking about the actual grinding for 4 hours a day
play the game at your own pace. I'm almost 300 ap with 380 dp. I grind once or twice a week. Watch out for really good events.
@@spliffzombonie Maybe you are one of the lucky ones. Out of 20TETs, I get only 1 PEN, and thats about normal chance. And grinding once or twice a week is way too less than enough to get those TET gears. I played solo F2P for 2and a half years.. I KNOW
@@dexfanai8999 My guy. I'm far from lucky. Been playing since 2018 (back when grunils and liverto was best armor/weapon lol) and never got a garmoth heart. While my guildies who are new got two in a month with 2 pen BS in a year. Enhancing is a lot easier now. You don't even need to tap pen armors now, just do the quest, patiently. My best 'luck' is tapping PEN bs with crons that I accumulated from events. (not so lucky with J hammers). SIlvers are easy now. Can easily get to around 1+B in 1-2 grinds.
@@spliffzombonie Here's an easy way to prove whose right or wrong.
Make new character(new AC) get to lvl 61, Tuvala will be your best gear yet.
Get all the Buffs you can (including from events) then grind.
COUNT how much you get PER an HOUR.
(Can easily get to around 1+B in 1-2 grinds.
@@dexfanai8999 You missed the part where I said "Play the game at your own pace". If you can't get around 1b in 1-2 grinds. That's more likely knowledge and/or skill issue. You just need to get good instead of complaining.
People dont get 1 important thing about bdo,
Youre NOT SUPOSED TO GET MAX GEAR
Your gear worth shuld Max at about 300 Bill
Everythink beyond that is to give people a goal to work towards, nothing more. Becours lets be honest, when you reichen Max gear... what do you do now???
i have played BDO on ps4 for the last 3 years, since it hit ps4, and there has only been a 6 month period that i wasn't playing. i currently have just over 17,000 hours into the game, mostly afk tbh to keep my 75 artisan worker empire going 24/7, and i just hit 660 gear score. i did zero grinding for a long time and just made silver off life skilling. it has paid off that my shai makes it on the leaderboard of every server i go on for life skill rankings. i have a Volante and a Valor Carrack and lead a 25-30 person guild. i thoroughly enjoy this game and how much endless content it has to offer. definitely the most detailed and complicated game i've ever played to date.
The grinding in this game is so fucking boring to me, the thing is that I love the combat system and i like that there is a lot of pvp. What this game misses is the immersion. Mindless grinding ruins it totally. The world map is huge and well made bit it feels small and empty because there is fucking nothing to do in most of the areas. Imagine if gathering was about searching and adventuring for animals or plants instead of making It another fucking grinding but with flowers. Another point: People dont talk in general chat in cities. In most of the mmorpg when you get to a major cities it's like a citysquare, you find players you encountered and you actually have fun just talking, while in this game everyone is in hurry going to storage then market then wherever. Not to mention the lore that nobody fucking cares because is not only badly explained, but either boring and useless, and i think the lore in a game is really important and helps the immersion in a fantasy world. And in conclusion, This game is a job, if you stop for a second you are wasting time you could spend on making money... This games looks perfect at the beginning, then you see all the bad aspects. There is a lot of wasted potential.
So basicly,
You grind your stuff and then it's up to RNG or not if you have to grind the same stuff again...
That's bad.
When you grind for stuff you want to feel the reward and in this game it can be taken away from you cause of RNG...
Hope they change that.
Meh...
BDO is complicated yet it's why figuring it out feels rewarding. You do not have to only mob grind to get to the end game gs. Life skilling is something everyone should do! If you don't life-skill then you're an idiot and wasting your time. There are so many different routes to get silver. BDO rewards consistency. If you want something (and you don't want to be a pearl shop selling on the CM noob) then you're going to have to work for it all. They have made this grind easier and easier over the years with quality of life changes and especially the season event servers. Anyone playing now will have their grind cut in half compared to older players. You also can have alts with the tagging system. Give BDO time and it will keep getting better and better. Also your gear breaking because you decided to enhance without cron stones or keep track of your durability is your fault, not the game's.
Still the best combat system mmo I’ve played will always leave a mark for me in mmo combat just waiting patiently for a clone with less rng that’s it really. Throne and liberty looks dope so waiting to try that out.
No bro u have every fuckin right to say what u want because it's the fuckin truth. People use to stream this game back then. Bro its true what u say alot of people come n go on this game. Because the market is really screw up n we don't have the time to grind all that silver we all have a life, like, kids ,wife, family dont really have time to play this game much. If they hadn't screw up the market, people would have stay n play this game.
Bro I quit this game bc it is a part time job an I play games to get away from real life not feel like I’m going home to my other job. Gear progression should be toned down a lot bc it is just a game. Also the lifes skilling an making profits is more complicated than open heart surgery I feel like (obv exaggerating)
Ive been playing since console release and I have stopped playing probably 5 different times.
I get on, grind to 56-58, do main story then get sick of the life wasting grind before I even get into it or even learn what to do lol..
All my income is literally from just having a few characters, idk what else to do and its a horrible feeling because everyone seems mean and unwilling to help
what In needed to hear, you are just working a part time job, something clicked in my head, I will look for an actual part time job and start making more real money, thanks my dude
i wouldnt really say bdo "stood the test of time". the playerbase is a fraction of what it was. lets be honest, most ppl still playing, play bc theyre addicted or bc they invested so much and dont want it to be "wasted". if the metric for "standing the test of time", is that a mmo isnt shut down yet, there are plenty off mmos that stood the test of time, which is contradictory to what you said.
I think not getting to the end game fast is good thing, i get very bored when i put like 200hours to game and i have max gear and all.
and u dont need to just grind all the time u have lot of other things to do in this game
i clicked like from the first few words will definitely recommend more watch this video people swear everyone has to play the game the same way, but its suppose to be fun and grinding my ass off for hours to get a one turo heart or one pity piece is not fun . ive been playing for almost four year and still never owned a peggy . i fed the horse nothing but peggy mats and dine mats and after failing 34 times i got a doom horse with zero doom mats thats not fun . so now any free mats i get i trash or sell if in near a market . same with enhancing by the time i finally succeed im not happy im more so , its about damn time . i think its a great game but failing a bunch of times is not fun imo
an then theres console where 200m an hr is good 730gs ent happening
Oof
Great video.
I loved bdo, played for several thousand hours. I don't play anymore because the progression system is just too painful. Do I miss bdo? Yes. Would I ever go back to it? No, at least not in it's current state.
If they somehow implemented what you said, "6 months to hard cap" and maybe made a new hard cap with each story expansion, I would be in love.
Is that going to happen with BDO? I think not. The community within is already so balls deep that it would anger too many, and to gamble the existing community in hopes to attract new people is a risk that BDO is not willing to take in my eyes.
My hope is that with what pearl abyss knows now, they make a new game with a new community and a more balanced progression system, this is possible.
Let's make this new game, mainstream. Grab a huge audience and change the mmo scene. PA are definitely the ones to do it, and if BDO was this from the get go, I truly feel that it would be the biggest mmo in the world
Sounds like someone tries to use his influence as a streamer to make gearing up easier because someone sold all his gear a while ago and maybe regrets it XD.
I LOVE!!! BDO, here since beta! Just wish they’d stop fucking nerfing !!!
Oof, i feel that
unfortunately this game has a max of 5 more yrs of life before sumthing better comes out
Thanks for the vid Pansy.
I’m with ya man. I love BDO, been playing since 2016 and I just recently hit 600 GS. PA is going in the right direction to increase the player base but they’ve really still got a long way to go.
Hopefully they pay attention to videos like these. Thanks man.
What the fuck are you on about? You don't even play then if you're 600GS. The game fast-forwards you now 281, has a zone that's in the top 5% zone earner that only requires season gear. So ignorant, any FURTHER and they'll just be mailing you pen BS with a code.
People should realize BDO's motto of: "The Adventure Never Ends". The "adventure", in my eyes, is being the grind. In terms of gearing, other than fringe players like the extremely RNG carried, no-lifers, and/or extreme whales, players will spend seemingly forever to reach high gear scores. By high, I mean 720+ GS. This is by design, and if my former statement is true, BDO has done exactly that. The game will never be mainstream. Because mainstream players, basically, can't hack it. Be it instant gratification, low attention span, or whatever, I would bet the majority of players can't hack the grind, time, effort, and self-motivated goal-chasing that BDO high GS requires, thus, the big reason BDO will always be niche. But keep in mind how less relevant the need for high GS in today's game is and that need seems to be lowering as time goes on. New players in Tuvala can make bank with low gear and the plethora of gear capped PvP like T1's and 2/3 sieges being gear capped, even things like Marni's Realm and Home Channels to avoid OWPvP altogether while grinding all contributes to the diminishing demand of gear in today's game. This wasn't always the case when we had only two good grind zones and less ways to avoid PvP, even on non-Arsha channels. New players have it so easy now to progress, but again, The Adventure Never Ends. It's a grind game at heart, and in that respect, it does a great job at being just that -- a grinder.
710 GS, long time 6-ish player here. I love the fact that there's still a long road ahead of me. Keeps me engaged and provides a game that I can continue playing, doing what's comfortable for me, to set and achieve my gear goals. It's a game that you intertwine into your overall lifestyle. Now that I'm 35 years old and have a 9-5 job as an IT tech and do real estate on the side, no kids, GF, but not married, it's perfect. AFK lets me progress while being away, bartering lets me semi-AFK while I work, Sunday node wars are always fun (when there's a fight), and Arsha grinding lets me grind and PvP at the same time. And hey, if I want to P2W, I can P2W, and it doesn't affect anyone aside from my personal gameplay, and doesn't give me an overwhelming advantage, considering I only PvP with people around my gear score. Perfect game for me. That being said, Arena of Solar when.
❤ 100%
Its actually a bad design that everything is sandwiched into such a narrow range at the high end, at least from a PvE perspective. For the vast majority of the game, pve is extremely fluid, everything dies quickly and its about optimizing moving from pack to pack in a rotation. Then at high end spots things completely change, they have to put in gimmicky mechanics, you feel less powerful even though your GS is much higher. The only good mechanic they had for high end spots were the old elvia weapons, which could potentially scale you effectiveness by you getting more uptime on them per hour.
@@All0Mighty0Power If someone has a gambling addiction that they spend $10K a month on a video game, there's bigger problems at hand with that person. They should be in a actual casino and gamble with IRL money than a video game. Almost every MMO "sells solutions". You can buy level boosts and story skips in Final Fantasy. Same thing in WoW, $60 and you're max level. It's well known that BDO's enhancing system is gambling -- You literally didn't read a thing I wrote because you can bypass this by grinding (BDO is a grinder game) and you don't even need high GS these days. The only thing you need high GS for is to compete with the top 5% of players. BDO is a grinder. You won't like it if you don't like grinding. But even then, the game doesn't change much in end-game -- the only thing that really changes is you can PvP with the top % of players.
@@Venant91182 End-game PvE requires you to know your class. Instead of one-shotting mobs with random abilities, you actually need to know how to use your class and use actually good add-ons. Can't randomly press buttons and things die, to be efficient, you need to know your class. Subjective. I prefer high-end spots like Elvia Hexe Sanctuary and Gyfin UG much more than Pollies or Centaurs. I play Sorc and I don't fall asleep in these spots compared to one-shot spot snoozefest, but that's just me.
I tried the grind, but gave up around 590/600 mark, seeing that 730 so close but still SEVEN MONTHS of work away, it broke me. So, I went back to the games I enjoyed. Left a lot of good friends behind, wish I could go and tell them why I left but the guild leader kicks anyone who is absent for a month or more, this was two years ago. The game is truly stunning, the level of depth and realism behind it all is impressive! For anyone who thinks otherwise, just look up how to trade. Look up for yourself, the level of complexity TRADING takes, and that is one of like, 15 or so lifeskills you can level. Farming, hunting, mining, voyaging, trading, flower picking, mob-killing, cooking, alchemy, hell even the auction house. And speaking of house, you can own homes for restocks on energy or crafting last minute items on your journey, so yes, I have spent the time. Over 1300 hours, and yet I was still very far off. BDO is a very, very special game and I wish it had more people looking into it, but I cannot in good faith say it is for everyone. WoW fell too hard for me to think about returning, so I had to find a new niche, Dark Souls and the FromSoft games as a whole but damn do I wish to go back and just get lost in Pearl Abyss' fantastical world. Oh! Forgot to mention back in the lifeskills for outsiders still thinking there isn't too much depth. Breeding mounts...look up a video about that stuff too, you'll be lost even after rewatching it for sure! And yes, those mounts ARE tied to ANOTHER lifeskill, Training. Sorry for the long rant but, this video made the memories flood back and damn does it hurt knowing how much I loved the world, until it crashed down on me with the cold number of hours to jump just a little bit higher
I don't get why you mention the complexity so often as if you have to prove something, it's not the depth or complexity that's lacking nor have i seen anyone saying that it is.
All these estimates of silver/hr are absurdly overexaggerated and rely on valuing items like Mass of Pure Magic and Shards that cannot be immediately converted to silver. If you are FTP and don't regularly have a value pack running, it is skewed even more. You also don't have an infinite supply of loot scrolls, and most people who over exaggerate silver/hr are assuming you run perma 200% loot scroll and have infinite Agris points.
Bdo need more way to have fun as a team too, to be main stream
They can't just make gearing too easy since it's the main "content" of their game. The only way they could do that, in my opinion, is to shift the game's goal away from grinding and toward other aspects of the game, such as creating an engaging story and lore, world-building and exploration, overhauling lifeskilling to make it less tedious, better social interactions and social content, and so on.
you can always draw a new set "super black star", redistribute the drop among the spots and let the tops farm it, and for beginners, reduce the cost of getting a BS set, do it smoothly and introduce seasonality where, for example, every 3-5 months you need to farm the next set and it's really hard in getting and the point, but the ustavshiy former tops should be made easily farmed within a couple of months. And if they also attach new activities to this that are available for owners of a fast set and solo players, then it’s generally super.
All I've ever done in this game is play seasons. The leveling process is pretty fun for me. Learning the class and what not. After that, when I see the absolutely ridiculous amount of time you need to spend playing this game to accomplish the smallest thing, I can't help but drop it. BDO does not respect your time. One of my favorite things about ffxiv is that it respects your time. Haven't played in months? No problem. You can gear up in a few days and jump into the most recent content. Want to try a new class, but it's not max level? You can level up in a couple hours. There are too many good games out there to spend 7k hrs on just one. The only thing BDO has going for it is the combat and the world, which is why it's so frustrating that it's like this. There's a great mmo in there, but the never ending grind and the p2progress aspects kill it for me.
Grind is half pain but the thing people stop playing this full time job/game. Is the honing. Its a fucking joke. Downgrade? Yeah fuck no.
I hear that, Seth
Great video. I used to play and got tired after grinding mindless with nothing to show but 16 failed tet accessory attempts after hitting soft cap back in the day.
You're definitely right about the shift to make it easier to obtain end game. That's one reason I came back. Lots of guaranteed pens, bunch of freebies, and more importantly, the low barrier of entry to make serious cash. The grind is still bad like you said, but if they keep this direction of appealing to the new players while still validating end game players, lots of good will come of it.
That sounds like the right mindset and interpretation, how to approach BDO.. It has indeed becoming better and offers more quality of life for everyone not only vets..
well u still have to grind a bit even for the guaranteed pens (its fair i guess and not a big problem) but its not even the end game gear anymore, its more like old stuff, even if u get all the "free pens" u wont do much anymore, they give us the gear that no one uses anymore and u still be weak compared to most. for me the problem is not the grinding, its all the grinding u do for nothing just for a small chance to succeed, so 90% of times u just waste ur time and when u succeed its not even a reward anymore its just a relief
1000hours to get to end game, that’s why ppl still play, goals take time, if your soft and impatient, there’s always capped gear content 🙂
Lmao
The brainstormers are still on the 2010ish era mindset were gearing up should take millions of yrs.
To me BDO isn't mainstream because it has negative progress since your gear can either downgrade or be destroyed when you do an enhancement attempt. Compare it with Lost Ark enhancement system, which is very similar in the sense of having very low chances of upgrading gear when you reach high ilvl but if you fail an attempt you only lost the materials/time invested on that particular attempt whereas on BDO you not only lose what you invested on that attempt but also you've lost what you have gained from the previous one and that fact is the huge reason why people end up quitting the game. For new players sure, most end up quitting due to not liking the content or gameplay but players who already like that end up quitting due to how messed up the enhancement system is. There is no reason to keep this problem in the game except for two mayor reasons: first because it's a good "money sink" to keep the economy somewhat "balanced" and avoid hyper-inflation but also because there is a profit incentive to keep the problem there, a problem that is somewhat "solved" through the in-game cash shop. When you create a problem for the sole purpose of profiting on the solution to it, it's not surprising that PA has to rely on constantly having to put new classes into the game to keep people interested and attract new players, you remove that and game would've died a long time ago.
Another problem the game has is the obsesive focus of PA into vertical progression which has only created power creep. Boss gear used to be good, now it's trash. The same thing will happen with Blackstar gear, Deadgod gear and God-eyed gear in due time since the game focuses on vertical progression only. PA keeps adding more gear on top of previously existing gear while making said gear harder and more expensive to upgrade, so you end up with a situation in which the only people fighting their way into upgrading their Deadgod and God-eyed gear are people who are already heavily invested in terms of money (both in-game and real-life money that is) and time (hundreds if not thousands of hours) into the game so people that constantly leave the game and return later start to be left behind with minimal ways to catch up so they end up quitting the game for good.
I mean, the mmo genre wont be mainstream ever cuz they are meant to make you live in the game.
If it bothers you to invest so much time in the game, maybe this genre is not for you. If you try to please the more casual players by making it easier for them to get to the endgame, you will lose the players who are willing to play many hours because they will have nothing else to do afterwards. I've played 2.5k hours and I still don't reach the endgame because I don't burn myself out grinding and I enjoy the game doing other activities.
The way u think is just wrong and destroys a game and its players obviously. In real skillbased games players worked for years on their skill and teamplay and it would never end, because the game was so complex and hard to master. Like in world of warcraft for example. We used to play arenas for years and years getting better urself and as a team. And reach the highest arena rankings and fight the best teams. And anybody who saw ur arena ranking on ur character, just knew ur a fucking bad ass they cant mess with. But in bdo every brainless and mindless fat burger eating lifeless shit has much higher gear than u because he simply was willing to waste his lifetime to grind in a circle for thousands of hours, will beat the crap out of you. Thats not respectable at all. He is still a much worse player than u, but he has the game advantage. Thats just the wrong way a game should work. Ppl should gain respect based on their skill and not on wasting his worthless life and picking a broken class. But bdo players wont understand i think. Its like an eagle describing to a sloth, how it feels to fly.
The point was that bdo is not mainstream in the genre itself, bdo has a really low player count for an mmo , and the reason is known, WOW, FF14 and Lost Ark, are much more populated.
Also new fantasy world games that are not mmos get in many mmo players, like genshin impact, wich has a good farm longevity because its not too long nor too short, like 3 months of farm to max 1 character.(almosy perfect artifacts) u need only a couple of maxed characters, half maxed needs like a month.
NO 10 HOURS A DAY, just 2-3 hours because resin limits daily farm
Bdo is really bad at feeling worth it when u spend hours farming and u dont feel rewarded or satisfied.
UNDERSTAND THIS, majority of playerbase in ANY game are casual players, if ur systems need soo many efficency in doing things, the gap between casuals and not casuals is much bigger than other games and mmos.
The moment u watch YT guides u are not a casual anymore bro.
So casual are almost never gonna like bdo.
@@j0obn255 lmao lost arks dead now, bots are literally more than half the player base
@@daboss6614 ded? It's still 100-300k playing. There lot of bots but the actual playerbase is still bigger than bdo. People quitting because the shit gearing system
@@daboss6614 it's not but cope harder lol
Good analysis, but I would argue the reason BDO managed to survive this long is exactly because it's not trying to be mainstream - countless games that have come and gone have tried to imitate WoW. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with games being a huge grind, and Runescape is a good example of that - a timeles game that is still extremly popular. I don't think cutting down the gear curve will do much to help with BDO's longevity. The moment you remove any kind of long-term goals, the game instantly loses the appeal for a lot of people. What I think PA needs to do instead is keep adding more and more gameplay that doesen't require hardcap gear to have fun, and things like Arena of Solare are exactly that. Keep up the good videos!
I'd say with gear curve 100% is what's holding the game back. Many MMOs have long term goals that do no require the kind of grind that holds back BDO from growing a larger audience. I don't think softening the gear grind will have BDO lose its appeal at all.
There always seems to be this argument made for franchises that are more on the difficult side in gaming. Monster Hunter diehards were worried about this same point with Monster Hunter World. MH:W World, the most accessible game in the franchise, became the highest selling game Capcom ever made. Diehard Souls fans were worried about Elden Ring when it was said to be not as hard as the other Souls games. Again, highest selling in that realm. Blew Dark Souls 3 out of the water.
What draws people to BDO is most certainly the combat and the world building. Much like MH and the Souls games, BDO is the best at what it does, but like the previously mentioned franchises, its being held back by being needlessly obtuse. Making the gear grind not require such a heavy time investment would help BDO a lot.
Spending all your time grinding a gear to v just to have it go back to 2 definitely will effect many people's thoughts on continuing playing the game. Grinding to get stronger only to get weaker because of rng is insane
BDO survived only thanks to 2 things, the first is cool graphics, skill animations and the combat system, here BDO has no competitors and the second is that you can play it solo, at your own pace and not lose efficiency at all, and there are no competitors either. The enchantment system, a lot of boring and uninteresting mechanics like node trading and the economy, as well as the speed of progress, on the contrary, greatly interfere with popularization.
Who the hell makes 1 bil in an hour? I've never seen more than 600m in hour without cracked rng
Ah with max drop rate , it’s possible at centaurs with gold+agris playing a cheese class at max efficiency . At high end , 303+ ap at hexe flies past 1b quite easily
@@imPansy yes but for the gear level it's not average. I'm at 287/381 I've had cracked hours of close to a bil an hour but that'd be like getting two-three rare drops an hour. And let's face it mostly people don't min-max, me included. Most times it's just a chill grind with stops and DMS.
Your point still stands by the way it takes way too long to hard cap, but I think people average half of what you said at gear level, so maybe showing the best case scenario doesn't really make that good of a point. Sinking thousand hours into getting end game gear isn't that bad. But I think your estimate is way off, it's more like double what you said.
Again I'm not disagreeing with your point, I think it's great that you've made this video and more people need to talk about this. But it's not really reflecting reality for most people.Average Joe may pull 400mil and think it's a good hour.
The issue is the game is tuned for great players not average Joes and that's why it won't be mainstream. And I'm not hating on it, but the time investment needed is insane to ask anyone with any semblance of social life.
THANK YOU FOR FINALLY MAKING THIS LMAO
A gameplay loop for a video game shouldnt take years of your life. By BDO standards Prison is also a 'fun' simulator and logically it checks out because neither have flying donkeys. :nodders:
For ppl who dont know, I've already beat the grind and still feel like they should just get rid of exploding accessories. Just make it like enhancing armors/weapons in terms of function. (And armors: FG/Lab)
THIS. It blows my mind that accs can go poof and just give you 1 fs....like I'm sorry but If I fail a tet disto you better be adding 60 to my fs each time if it's gonna disappear 🤣🤣
i like this video. it is the truth.
Great vid. Def. enjoying the game, just started this week, and to say that this numbers didn't scare me off, seems encouraging. Loving your content =)
Good stuff man, keep having fun!
Ya the new player experience right now are better than they’ve ever been. Even from just a year ago when this vid came out.
Have fun, and remember to check out life skilling. Some of the most fun life skilling out there. Even if you just afk fish during the event rn. It’s pretty satisfying.
sorry but there's no way in hell a player fresh out of season is making anywhere close to 700m/hr lol more like 300m. i'm still not making 700m and i'm 660gs
Oof..... sorry to hear man. I was clocking 800m+ at orcs with 650GS. You using gold loot scrolls/agris?
@@imPansy i thought gold + agris wasnt worth it, did they change it?
Started bdo less than 2 months ago, never fel pressure to go nolife on it, log in when i want, do what i want, so far no objection about it, loving it. Got to give due where it is, PA is on point with updates,patches ect. I can see where is cash shop money going. THey are makin it casual friendly too
Hey as long as pvp isn't something you care about, it's a great hamster wheel!
@@imPansy And im good hamster XD
I love this game but never felt I could ever compete in a pvp scenario. Which this game is ment for. The skill difference is hard enough to learn. But maybe that's just me expecting to be able to play the entire game and make a difference. Anyway your vid sums up nicely why I still play GW2 and not BDO.
I hear ya man. Thanks
What’s gw2 and is it on console
If you enjoy the gameplay and enjoy grinding you can reach "soft-cap" in seven or eight months. Less if you're a bit sweaty. If you don't enjoy grinding then end-game gear progression isn't really for you and you should consider other activities, like life-skilling, exploration/questing, gear-capped node wars, or the new gear-capped arena system.
I started a fresh account in january and got invited to a random life-skilling guild.
I immensely enjoy the combat system and I can grind non-stop if I have the time for it. I just hit 680 gs, and at this point I am massively outgearing everyone in the guild. My point is, they don't care at all. They're focusing on horses, gathering, bartering, weekend atoraxxion runs, and in the months I've been in the guild I have heard mentions of gear less than a handful of times. Not everyone plays for the same reasons. BDO has a lot more activities than grinding mobs.
Its an mmo, the secodary activities are as i said "secondary" and are not gonna bri g in players as a fixed system would, not even close. U are talking about the minority, the game has a really small player count.
AND GUESS WHAT "casual" players are the big majority in every damn game, ergo they are almost the backbone, and if the gap between efficency and not is soo big casuals are almost never gonna like bdo.
And what do casual players do? Kill mobs and do the main type of farm, some do secondary stuff but its not whats gonna keep them in in the first place, if the game is broken, no reason to stay.
A game can be hard and difficult but still have many casual players because its GOOD and works, an example is elden ring.
No, there isnt much activity
And this doesn't even include the monetization that is requiring VPs to do anything, the efficiency of your grind being influenced by weight, tent buffs, etc. That just adds more and more time. Time spent pathing to villas to get your villa buff again, money wasted buying VPs and kama buffs every month, losing grind efficiency because you're running to your horse every rotation because you're overweight, etc etc etc.
You're very generous with those 500-700m an hour numbers, given, that includes your caphras, your mem frags, black stones, rare drops, artifacts, lightstones, etc etc etc. The only silver you're actually making to buy anything is the raw stuff from the trash, which is only like 60-70% of the total money you actually make grinding.
Not to mention you're gonna run out of lootscrolls at some point. I've rarely grinded and just have been collecting scrolls for ages, and I barely crest like 500. That's 500 hours of lootscrolls. If I'm grinding yellow, that means I only got 250 hours of grinding. If I need to buy 300b of stuff from where I'm from, that just aint happening chief.
So very true, endgame gearing is too much when it takes over a few months (most of the time its longer) to get a few points in GS increase. That is including a good passive money making ways.
Love your content, champ. Thanks for all your hard work.
Honestly, I dont even know why i keep coming back to bdo. I barely grind mobs and I only life skill for 30 minutes a day. I guess its because i feel so attached to my main character lol. Also to be fair this is a $10 game (sometimes free) with free expansions. They want you to stay on it as long as you can to care enough to spend money on cosmetics, at least thats my assumption.
It is the journey for me. What makes a game worth playing is having fun and being satisfied with just being in the game. For example, WOW is mainstream, but it is boring, and once you've geared up, which can be done quickly, then I am done because I don't log into WOW just to dink around. So that's where WOW fails me. FFXIV is cool, but somehow just doesn't hold me once I've finished the story. Can't say why. I can dink around in BDO and have fun even though I'm still not max gear level because I've never been a "have to cap gear" person.
I've always disagreed with the idea that fun begins at "endgame". A game should be fun start to finish, with no real finish. The characters, toons, whatever you want to call them should have a special appeal to a player, make you want to play that toon. DBO does that with excellent designs, animations and fighting style. And so I continue to main BDO while only delving into other games now and then for a change of pace.
I play casually, maybe grinding one hour a day. I barter for main cash, while watching UA-cam videos like yours.
Thats been my problem with this game. I love the combat and visuals but spending hours, weeks grinding materials and gear pieces to upgrade and lose it all in less than a minute. Been playing casual for 2 years and still don't have a piece of PEN gear that I HAVE ENHANCED!!! The enhancement system is the reason I only play 2 maybe 3 days for a couple hours. Can't PvP cause I get slaughtered at every turn. All I seem to do is grind for basically nothing!
Was grinding for a pen dimtree but eventually just got bored of the constant grinding. Tried to vary the things i could do in the game but the thought of never getting to endgame without no lifing for 4-6 months dosent sit well with me :(
Awesome video.
I haven't really grinded since 2019 and am still playing it. T1 nodewars, trial chars is all I need. PvE is for whenever you feel like it. "Endgame" starts at lvl 1. PvP content can be enjoyed very very early.
I burn out wen I tried grinding blood wolf for pot piece and it never drop been like 2 years now im still grinding there
If they added a pvp server where your max GS was determined by the area you're in and you actually got resources from player kills, it would make grinding less of a chore.
That way OG player's could still have their high end grind spots, while newer players would have a chance to enjoy some fair PvP without a years worth of repetitive prep gameplay.
exactly, after running around in circles for 30min i want to hit my face on the table. how anyone can do this and having fun while being at it is beyond me. if the game wouldnt have good graphics and a nice combat system i doubt anyone would be willing to tolerate this bs
Im still new with this game playing for almost 2 month...currently on 233ap/290dp. Still faaaaar away from end game..and i love it... i build my char from step to step becoming more and more stronger then open a new and new spot and item. its so friking good when i reach my objective. My currently objective is reaching 260 ap and if i follow my plan carefully i will reach it at the end of this month. The key to enjoy this game is make ur own pace and try not chasing people. I grind when i want and if im bored i can do lifeskilling. Its not for people who love chasing end game like a racecar...just like my friend who stop playing coz he tried to chasing the other guildmates.....
Just enjoy the progress...
The fact that meta grind spot, oluns is guild, friend list connection, gear, pc spec, fps based grind spot isnt that encouraging. With the inflation on mp, its less silver/h when doing less meta spots grinding.
The problem with BDO is it doesn't feel like an MMO, there's no reason to open world pvp because there's no reward for it other than the "satisfaction" of griefing someone. Grinding feels terrible because its just you and the mobs, unlike other MMOs where you are literally next to other players running around killing mobs.
Imagine if you could grind a spot and it doesn't matter if someone else is grinding there with you and you both make reasonable silver, just seeing another player there already makes the world feel alive, then if someone pulls up for pvp you don't feel like that time is wasted because you didnt get x silver/hr anymore.
IMO These "rotations" and these "silver/hr" should be removed from the game. If someone is with me in the grind spot I should feel happy because the place doesn't feel alone, if someone comes up for pvp I shouldn't feel pissed because my silver/hr went out the window.
I should be happy seeing other players out and about the world in an MMO not the other way around.
Bdo is my favorite game, only because I had 3 years worth of time put into it, but coming back after getting falsely banned was probably one of the worst experiences ive gone through. Being so much weaker then everyone was off putting and grinding back to were I used to be took months to do, I used seasons to help speed up the grind and it helped but unfortunately I couldn't go through the grind again so I dropped it 😕
Testing new classes in seasons is the only thing that keeps me playing. I think I’ll quit once I have seen every class. To me it’s just a complex beat’em all, I don’t expect much. Also this stupid forced pvp system is just irrelevant in an mmorpg. It’s the only game I avoid to play during peak hours so that I don’t run into idiots who kills me on sight.
Good video
The more I look at the amount of time I have too invest into bdo, the more I feel discouraged
i love bdo only been playing few months but i just play for fun and chilling.
No one that I know, whom says I'm responsible for them indulging in the game; has ever been told by me to exclusively grind. - I tell 'em, if thats what you want, play Neverwinter/ Star Trek Online. The endgame of the game is trading. Cooperative trading if you want to monopolise the market. - I'm not talking about just life-skilling; which you do to maximise nodes, raise the repository value of storage, and automate passive trades for revenue. - I'm talking volume, 15+ product lines you put on the MP for profit.
Logistics, acquisitions & procurement. - it takes a good 7mths to setup, if you're informed. Much longer if you are not. After your first year, they'll be paying you to FS. - Providing you're not madly clicking, disproportionately to your turn over. Maybe 35mins a game session maintenance.
Its not even advisable to play everyday. You do it because you want to; but its hard to resist the urge to micro manage, and try speed things along. - fact is, whether you trade or grind, it works out the same. The different is that by trading you are building up more than just a GS. Which opens up more of the games layers. 👍
I hope BDO became mainstream so mainstream media can judge the toxicity of the BDO RNG, the BDO RNG itself defying most probabilistic chance.
Most player in BDO instead of taking constructive-criticism about the "abnormality" of the percentage chance of the Game, instead they blame the player of having "bad luck" or "git gud". What a lack cluster of game.
Spending $$$ to buy outfits then cronned it to "prove" that the RNG is broken, and people won't see it and just "MEH , you're just unlucky". Tell me failing 10% chance for 30 times back-to-back is absurd. The chance of that happening "back to back" is 0.9^30 = 0.04239115827. So Black Desert, are you telling me I'm so lucky that I'm experiencing what 0.0423 looks like? imPansy, please bring light to this bad practice of the devs, I'm tired of being not heard and seen weird by the majority of the player, they saw it as "man you're just unlucky"