378: The Importance Of Fatigue Management - Mike Israetel

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  • Опубліковано 25 гру 2024

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  • @trents7516
    @trents7516 Рік тому +143

    It’s crazy how people can become so laser focused on a goal that they start to bend all of their own rules that they have for everyone else when it comes to themselves. It was odd listening to mike saying all of the things that he screwed up during his prep because I’ve seen so many of his videos where he literally gives the exact opposite advice. Obviously we’re all guilty of doing this at some point; ignoring our better judgement and thinking doing more is better. Hopefully his and Jared’s next preps are better after learning some lessons this go around

    • @Bd-ox4mi
      @Bd-ox4mi Рік тому +18

      It’s how we progress in life ..mistakes

    • @WolfLifts
      @WolfLifts Рік тому +5

      I'm just laser focused on this thumbnail 😂

    • @TRIIXTEH
      @TRIIXTEH Рік тому +9

      When your calories are that low your brain plays some nasty tricks

    • @Damian_Materowski
      @Damian_Materowski Рік тому +10

      This is why everyone should have prep coach, because we can't be objective with judging ourselves and when you add hunger you start to do really stupid things

    • @JrobAlmighty
      @JrobAlmighty Рік тому

      Very apt and so easy to fall into

  • @jeremysmeltz3915
    @jeremysmeltz3915 Рік тому +57

    Appreciate the transparency and vulnerability in this. It's so hard to be objective with ourselves. Thanks for sharing Mike!

  • @MercilessBreed
    @MercilessBreed Рік тому +14

    Damn that was a wake up call. If even a smart, mega jacked and objectively scary guy like Dr. Mike can doubt himself and have all those feelings, then its a perfectly human experience. I appreciate him being so open, honest and vulnerable. Amazing man.

  • @tomwaitsfornoone1182
    @tomwaitsfornoone1182 Рік тому +38

    Been waiting for the return of the almighty Israetel! looking forward to this one.

  • @kimdecker8901
    @kimdecker8901 Рік тому +23

    Dr. Mike is such a sage. I'm not even a bodybuilder--in fact, I have a confession to make: I'm a runner. And I have a tough race coming up. Dr. Mike's advice is so universal, and so sound, though, that I'm keeping it in my pocket should my race not turn out as planned. Whether I'll need it or not, he's giving me a roadmap for bouncing back smarter, and I thank him for it. You, too, Steve! Love what you guys do!🤗🦾

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  Рік тому +7

      Gotta pace yourself eh! Thanks for tuning in! - Steve

    • @kimdecker8901
      @kimdecker8901 Рік тому +2

      @@ReviveStronger Word!🙌

    • @andrewmueller9986
      @andrewmueller9986 11 місяців тому

      He's a scientist yes but a sage? No. His wisdom level is at best mid

    • @SeuOu
      @SeuOu 10 місяців тому

      @@andrewmueller9986 lol bro

  • @SeuOu
    @SeuOu 10 місяців тому +2

    I think this is a Top 10 for Revive Stronger episodes. Just the depth of information, experience, reflection on mistakes, humanity.

  • @musclemedicine_M.D
    @musclemedicine_M.D Рік тому +3

    It’s impossible to hate Dr. Mike, your options are indifference, Like or love.

  • @George-Aguilar
    @George-Aguilar Рік тому +4

    Mike, I am learning massively from your “perceived failure”. Your living the dream. Enjoy the process! Luv ya bro!

  • @petebullard5982
    @petebullard5982 Рік тому +3

    Always speaks so well, great listen.

  • @paymon11
    @paymon11 Рік тому +3

    I almost can’t believe I just went through exactly this situation with almost 100% accuracy, it’s as if you are mocking me.. Thank You so much Dr. Mike.

  • @punkandlifting
    @punkandlifting Рік тому +4

    I have the same mentality. I did my first show at 39 years old in august of 2022. I was so laser focused on being shredded out of my mind that i couldn't mentally grasp allowing myself a refeed day or two here and there until I just had to because my fatigue was so high and i was going hypoglycemic because food was so low. Ive learned so much since that i cant wait to prep in 2025 with some different strategies.

  • @CarMad97ci
    @CarMad97ci Рік тому +8

    Fuck it takes a strong minded individual to openly and transparently reveal the mistakes you made, especially on something as meaningful and personal as this.
    I loved the comedy Mike, but I’m also greatly enjoying the psychological lessons (for lack of a better word) Dr Mike is handing out here.

  • @thundersleycleaningco.6621
    @thundersleycleaningco.6621 Рік тому +4

    I competed naturally for seven years (

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  Рік тому +2

      Just need to find an energy deficit that works for you right! - Steve

    • @justvibing2497
      @justvibing2497 Рік тому

      You just did too much cardio and two cardio needed for your heart. Don't be dumb mate

  • @jeffsonnichsen1619
    @jeffsonnichsen1619 9 місяців тому

    very honest self reflection and its appreciated , you insight and experience has helped me since day one of watching you. THANK YOU

  • @cain6981
    @cain6981 Рік тому +1

    Great stuff, appreciate the honesty and humility from Mike. Very meaningful and inspring

  • @deanc5685
    @deanc5685 Рік тому +3

    Thanks a lot Steve and Mike! Learned a lot from this episode.

  • @one_of_atl_metros_finest
    @one_of_atl_metros_finest Рік тому +5

    These guys together is always a pleasure 🎉for me! It’s a been awhile I’ve been watching this channel since about 🤔 2016 baby whooo! 🙀hoooo

  • @simplybaker.
    @simplybaker. Рік тому +2

    People here confused that a person made a mistake? Yeah hes Dr Mike, but hes also a human, he made a mistake, has learned from it and is improving. It happens and hes doing what he should

  • @richardtrass
    @richardtrass Рік тому +2

    Looking forward to this one on my commutes this week!!!

  • @elainekommenge1157
    @elainekommenge1157 2 місяці тому

    Loved this conversation.

  • @GVS
    @GVS Рік тому +8

    Related to this one a lot. It's tough putting yourself out there on social media. Even those trying to be helpful just often...aren't. I think I can count on one hand the number of times I've gotten an actually useful comment. Often they're things you thought of and tried already or just so simplistic that's it's almost insulting. Oh, so I should focus on pullups to develop my back? Thanks so much. Let me research this new exercise, I'm excited to get started.
    I don't give unsolicited advice. Seeing a tiny snapshot of the reality of someone's training just isn't enough to really provide feedback. Unless asked, I think it's best to probably just not give criticism because the odds of it actually being insightful and useful is incredibly low.
    Then, of course, are the actual haters, which are in some ways easier to deal with!

    • @MirNovichok
      @MirNovichok Рік тому +2

      "I think it's best to probably just not give criticism"
      Most content creators have dabbled a lot in that genre of videos, including Israetel so it's a big difficult to really abide by that. Obviously, it'd be better if everyone was more measured in their criticism.
      Mike's diet and training going wrong has been signalled by many well-credentialed people for quite some time now, including IFBB pros and Lyle McDonald.

  • @Plumjabiiiify
    @Plumjabiiiify Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the upload steve!

  • @canceresbunny
    @canceresbunny Рік тому +1

    Mike is really cool. And he'll figure the prep stuff out sooner or later.

  • @samueldahl9790
    @samueldahl9790 Рік тому +1

    Was gonna ask when Mike is comming back. Sweet!

  • @KootBear
    @KootBear 8 місяців тому

    this is one of the best episodes!

  • @reniscen
    @reniscen Рік тому +6

    Thumbnail 💯

    • @devil5hlygrim972
      @devil5hlygrim972 Рік тому +1

      I want to print that thumbnail and tape it to peoples bathroom windows, facing inward..

  • @DarkoFitCoach
    @DarkoFitCoach Рік тому +8

    I effed myself up bigtime on this subject: i trained all out for weeks and months and years i kid you not and never done a deload or easy or off week. Never. Dear lord the stupidity is immense. Now reaping the results (epic overtraining)
    I am bodybuilding for past 23yrs and i still cant believe my stupidity. Its like being awoken from the matrix and looking back in. Its surreal

    • @Madchris8828
      @Madchris8828 Рік тому

      I think it depends on what you are training to failure. And technical failure on compounds is taxing as hell. But I don't think most sane rational bodybuilders would say training compound exercises to failure all the time is a smart idea or worth it. I one time deadlifted till I couldn't anymore and was basically crippled for a week 😂

    • @DarkoFitCoach
      @DarkoFitCoach Рік тому

      @@Madchris8828 oh no. I went all out on every set every exercise and every rep. Deeep deficit. Fats at 15gr a day (yes u read that right). Cardio 7x a week for an hour walking. And deloads to drop fatigue u ask or recovery weeks? ZERO. Never did any. Trust me all this at 41 = atomic bomb for body and mind

    • @suhwateezea.214
      @suhwateezea.214 Рік тому

      So what happened?

    • @DarkoFitCoach
      @DarkoFitCoach Рік тому

      @@suhwateezea.214 epic overtraining syndrome

    • @George-Aguilar
      @George-Aguilar Рік тому +1

      Been their too bro! Friends couldn’t understand why I was always “wasted”. Could never be consistent. Just learning the lessons.

  • @lukeluke5210
    @lukeluke5210 Рік тому +1

    At no point in my life have I thought I needed to spend almost two hours on fatigue management and impact. Well by Jove was I wrong, great insightful video especially interesting hearing how Peds impact the process.

  • @emmang2010
    @emmang2010 Рік тому +3

    Like for the humility that Dr. Mike is displaying in this right now!

  • @Madchris8828
    @Madchris8828 Рік тому +3

    From my experience I see no problem with training to failure on isolation exercises, but on compounds you've got to be more careful. And honestly compound exercises on machines are the only smart idea for technical failure. I don't think everyone can handle training to failure the same

  • @suppersday
    @suppersday Рік тому +1

    Love Dr. Mike, one of my dreams would be to do a lifting session with him - would be truly humbling, and terrifying

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  Рік тому +1

      If you're ever in London we do yearly events! - Steve

  • @wrxdrunkie
    @wrxdrunkie Рік тому +4

    .75% bodyweight per week of fat loss has been shown as an upper limit for fat loss rate for most athletic individuals. You would want to lower that to .5% of BW when you are really lean. If your fat you can get away with more. Beyond that you are usually just losing muscle. You can't rush fat loss

    • @svarthar
      @svarthar Рік тому +1

      Source?

    • @wrxdrunkie
      @wrxdrunkie Рік тому +1

      Garthe 2011 Murphy 2018. Won't let me post links

  • @danlee9049
    @danlee9049 Рік тому +3

    Dr Mike equals automatic thumbs up

  • @massivemikeh
    @massivemikeh Рік тому +1

    Come on Mike, theres no surprise that over dieting causes extreme stress/fatigue and leads to muscle loss and water issues etc. This is Contest Prep101.

  • @raygengamer8440
    @raygengamer8440 Рік тому +3

    Stimulus to fatigue ratio. I used to think to myself. Ehh I'll just lift heavy and if I can't do it it's because I'm too lazy

  • @Michael20089
    @Michael20089 Рік тому +2

    I like steve hall and Dr Mike

  • @LarryShipeWorld
    @LarryShipeWorld Рік тому +3

    Loved this whole interview. Watched it 2x!

  • @JuliusCaesar103
    @JuliusCaesar103 Рік тому +2

    1:14:50 Mike is so nice, he even gives Incels some respect lmao
    1:16:20 dying squirrel is the funniest thing I've heard. Dr. Mike is a fucking gem

  • @erikarnold4737
    @erikarnold4737 Рік тому +2

    Dr Mike is so tough. It's like he went so extreme in some ways that he kind of hamstringed himself a bit. I know he's newer to acutal physique bodybuilding and comes from more like powerlifting. It will be interesting to see what an intelligent and tough guy can figure out in the future for this type of stuff.

  • @thraxdownff
    @thraxdownff Рік тому +4

    The last thing you want to do is leave something on the table because you didn't go hard enough. Tough thing to balance and easy to see how you can go too hard

  • @shrimpanzee001
    @shrimpanzee001 Рік тому +1

    Mike keeps the psychological side of this game realer than everyone. Close second would be Steve and Pascal.

  • @snakebatch4527
    @snakebatch4527 Рік тому

    Positive vibes

  • @AlanCarson726
    @AlanCarson726 Рік тому

    Awesome episode, guys!
    I'd love you to have Jackson Peos on with Mike.
    I know you had him on with you a while back, Steve.

  • @devil5hlygrim972
    @devil5hlygrim972 Рік тому +1

    It’s not arrogant if you can back it up Mikey boy, that’s why I love ya!

  • @MrStreetninja007
    @MrStreetninja007 Рік тому +1

    Literally just did the same as mike to high a deficit lost muscle stayed flat and weighed less then last cut and looked worse lol lesson learned

  • @Madchris8828
    @Madchris8828 Рік тому

    Lol Mike's impression of the internet in general is great. Jimbobs magazine 😂😂

  • @AN-uf5vg
    @AN-uf5vg 2 місяці тому

    You will never be able to convince me that dr Mike is not a psychopath

  • @watsonkushmaster3067
    @watsonkushmaster3067 Рік тому

    Its interestig to compare this to john jewetts recent show where everything went as well as it could...interesting part imo is that they are both very analytical and dedicated in their process but still came out with such a different outcome

  • @CoachValentin
    @CoachValentin Рік тому +1

    Great conversation 👏🏻

  • @saiko8892
    @saiko8892 Рік тому

    Very interesting how people think classic is just for people who can’t get big, dr Mike is literally saying here that by the time certain people try to make a weight cap for classic they are too small/depleted for it! It has its own division for a reason and has a different set of genetic components

  • @shimmy885
    @shimmy885 Рік тому +4

    ❤❤❤

  • @Damian_Materowski
    @Damian_Materowski Рік тому

    I'm glad Kuba Cieleń gets more and more credits in top BBing world as he's this modern comination of hard core heavy lifter and science nerd at once. And...his fellow Polish 😊

  • @dermotshaw6775
    @dermotshaw6775 Рік тому +1

    The big take away from this was do more gear 😂

  • @classicalmusic1337
    @classicalmusic1337 Рік тому +2

    Why'd you take less gear during prep??? I know you've said gear doesn't interest you very much, but this is gear 101.

  • @Burkhimself
    @Burkhimself Рік тому +1

    What is considered the most accurate body fat check ? 7 positions with calipers or ?

  • @azulsimmons1040
    @azulsimmons1040 Рік тому +1

    If I were a Hollywood Trainer and Mike critiqued me, I would cry and then wipe my tears away with the money I earn from wealthy celebs.

  • @jackepperson1805
    @jackepperson1805 Рік тому

    would you say you can still run minicuts as aggressive as normal? or will you slightly tweak how you do them moving forward. ex let's say you're 200lbs and shoot for a daily deficit of 1000kcal on a minicut, learning from this interview would you potentially now only target a 750kcal deficit or since the minicuts are over so quickly do you think it's fine doing them as you have been? Curious because I have a minicut coming up in about another month or so and was wondering if i should still target that 1% rol or base my defecit on a 0.75% rol this time.

    • @TheNietzschian
      @TheNietzschian Рік тому

      I don't think prep rules for fat loss apply to minicuts.
      1. Minicuts are much shorter in duration, so there is less build up of fatigue.
      2. There is no aesthetic end goal of a mini cut. You don't need to look your best therefore don't need to have low fatigue levels.

  • @Macreadysshack
    @Macreadysshack 5 місяців тому

    What does “get flat” mean? When he says you have to get flat to know you are in deficit on gear. How can you tell you are “flat”? Is it a look or a feeling or both?

  • @one_of_atl_metros_finest
    @one_of_atl_metros_finest Рік тому

    My goodness,anybody cutting atm 😆I bulked a little too long this past winter 🥶 just hangin on here for the last few
    10-15 ish lbs!

  • @vicvin64
    @vicvin64 Рік тому +9

    How is this story even a thing? Lol I've heard Mike preaching for the last 5 years about slowly easing into a cut and not dropping calories too much unless it's a mini cut to slingshot hunger into a bulk and doing maintenance calorie deload weeks etc so none of this makes any sense lol.

    • @Guyfr0mcr0wd
      @Guyfr0mcr0wd Рік тому +6

      it's easy to say what's optimal in theory. actually doing it mid prep when your hormones are out of whack and emotion is involved is a whole other thing.

    • @vicvin64
      @vicvin64 Рік тому +1

      @@Guyfr0mcr0wd good point. I imagine getting close to a show and feeling you're far off can be motivating to deviate from the plan.

    • @tomwaitsfornoone1182
      @tomwaitsfornoone1182 Рік тому +1

      Mike can offer that advice to us, but who's there mediating for him? I guess its broderick but even he has his reservations in dictating to mike about nutrition due to his PHD, he's said it himself on this channel, but thats what mike needs evidently.

    • @wesleyjacqueson9180
      @wesleyjacqueson9180 2 місяці тому

      It’s very plausible, I’ve done diets with the intention of going slow and then midway through made the mistake of wanting to be more aggressive and then regretted it later

  • @medi_michi
    @medi_michi Рік тому +1

    Great Podcast as always!

  • @gregoryburne5251
    @gregoryburne5251 Рік тому

    Love Mike, but what’s the deal with his head shape?-those front to back ledges on the top in the front page pic? I have heard that such mis-shapen development is growth hormone related.

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  Рік тому

      I think it's just his head. - Steve

    • @gregoryburne5251
      @gregoryburne5251 Рік тому

      @@ReviveStronger Doubt it. I read about growth hormone affecting the skull like this. It’s not normal.

  • @brunoschirmer
    @brunoschirmer Рік тому

    Nice

  • @gorilladigits8223
    @gorilladigits8223 Рік тому

    Lol, I recently gave someone unsolicited advice by telling them they should stop doing hip thrusts and replace them with good mornings/ hip hinge exercises

  • @bigpicturegains
    @bigpicturegains Рік тому +1

    Yeah I’m of the opinion after my 10+ year fitness journey that trying to “force” the body to do something is never a good idea. A better approach is to nudge the body into the desired direction. We are much more likely to make the desired adaptations reality by, yes getting uncomfortable, but also listening to the body when it sets off alarm signals.

  • @nise-miro
    @nise-miro Рік тому

    not a professional bodybuilder but ive learned a lot of the same things with minicuts and trying to push the defecit too high
    would up in the 1.2k deficit (even thought weirdly i didn't encounter a lot of hunger) and definitely lost a bunch of muscle

  • @wjs437
    @wjs437 Рік тому +1

    It's okay Mike, you can just go back to Powerlifting with all this new mass right?

  • @gunslingorgunslingorsadf8150
    @gunslingorgunslingorsadf8150 Місяць тому

    If you usually burn 2k caloroes, and you drop to 1200, 2 weeks later your burning 1200 to 1500...

  • @Khizar_Ansari
    @Khizar_Ansari 2 місяці тому

    Came here bcz of the thumbnail.

  • @LandOfTheFallen
    @LandOfTheFallen Рік тому

    Keto and IF would have saved you Dr. Mike.
    ;)

  • @JosePDiaz-ck5pk
    @JosePDiaz-ck5pk 9 місяців тому

    no wonder doc was all ripped and buffed out at the same time

  • @tuukkalaitinen813
    @tuukkalaitinen813 Рік тому +3

    I think Mike Isratel is genius. But what I do not get is, he always talks about RIR stuff and not-failure, yet all the training videos RP puts out, is about torturing people to absolute fucking annihilation with superhuman effort. How is this not a contradiction?

    • @giuliam2531
      @giuliam2531 Рік тому +7

      From what I understand he explained the failure training has its own place at the end of the meso, after which you deload so the fatigue is not a problem. The problem would be to train to failure all the time from the beginning, for sustainability.

    • @tuukkalaitinen813
      @tuukkalaitinen813 Рік тому

      @@giuliam2531 Thanks for the response. I actually have understood things similarly from what I have read from his materials, but have started to question is this still his thinking after watching all the videos of training that currently come out. In those I think the message seems to be "be hardcore you fucking pussy", but yeah, maybe there are disclaimers or explanations in there but I am too adhd to watch/listen carefully. But still, one of the recent ideas like Myorep matching , seems to me like going really close to failure for many many times. Maybe he says there needs to be RIR left in those as well and I may have just skipped it...

    • @iconsonscreen
      @iconsonscreen Рік тому

      ​@@tuukkalaitinen813you can myorep match with reps in reserve too. You simply stop 2 reps from failure, rest for a few seconds, then do as many reps as it takes to approach 2 reps from failure again.

    • @greenricee
      @greenricee Рік тому

      @@tuukkalaitinen813yeah pretty much what the other guy said. People come to him before the end of their training block and he takes them through a hellishworkout. He does this because it’s fun for us to watch, but he doesn’t always (he does sometimes) clarify in those training videos that viewers should only train like this at the end of mesocycles

  • @kiddfamilyfarmllc9962
    @kiddfamilyfarmllc9962 Рік тому

    If people paid attention they would of know your background.

  • @devil5hlygrim972
    @devil5hlygrim972 Рік тому +6

    Mike’s problem is that he’s well educated and an analytical thinker and more than likely detail oriented. He just needs to play the dumb guy and let everyone take care of him and his prep and just shut his brain off. Eat the food he’s told to eat and work out the way he’s told to work out and if that doesn’t work, I have no fucking clue, because that’s exactly the opposite from what I’m guessing other than Jared and the evil super genius, baby boy

  • @roshi_strider
    @roshi_strider Рік тому

    internet connects to the simpletons, the midwits, the immoral, and the few honest individuals, whether commentors or content creators.
    jimbob may be naive or ignorant, or just dumb, but don't assume they're all imaginary hillbillies.
    dragonball does have a fairly correct philosophy; "move well, learn well, play well, eat well, and rest well."

  • @DorianColeman
    @DorianColeman Рік тому

    Is that a roid skull me love

  • @jeffreywingham5302
    @jeffreywingham5302 Рік тому

    Lol are those horn ridges on his head?

  • @dermotshaw6775
    @dermotshaw6775 10 місяців тому

    Wierd how there's not much good advice on prep. It's almost like the prep coaches keep it a secret for personal gain 🤷‍♂️ 😂

  • @thestar4397
    @thestar4397 Рік тому +3

    I think Mikes pride is fogging his vision !
    He definitely is on my top 3 guys in bodybuilding .
    Just admit that your peaking protocol was horrible and you need a better guy who is more knowledgeable about peds and peak week

  • @musclemedicine_M.D
    @musclemedicine_M.D Рік тому

    Flat for days..ok, flat for months.. you’re never coming back 😢

  • @tomerttb
    @tomerttb Рік тому

    I appreciate your content and the discussions you bring up. However, I wanted to share my perspective on a recent reference you made to Auschwitz camp survivors and their appearance.
    The Holocaust was an immensely tragic event in history that resulted in the loss of millions of lives. It's crucial that when we discuss topics like this, we do so with great sensitivity and accuracy. References to the physical appearance of survivors can inadvertently trivialize the depth of their suffering and the historical significance of the events they went through.
    It's important to remember that survivors of the Holocaust endured unimaginable pain, loss, and trauma. Discussing their appearance should be approached with empathy and understanding, focusing on the resilience they displayed rather than emphasizing their physical condition.

  • @grouse6
    @grouse6 Рік тому

    Carb up for 10 days on 500g of carbs per day lad

  • @cole_p_warren
    @cole_p_warren Рік тому +1

    Nice HxH shirt. Have you seen Baki? Watching it doubles your test overnight.