@@thebhoy8561 i thought you were talking about season of the deep vendor rank ups, i thought you only need to do the first mission and talk to nimbus to progress the lightfall tab?
@@tylerbeaver1935The most I can think of Amanda doing before season of defiance is fitting Eris’ ship with the stealth Drive for Cayde and us in the Taken King expansion. She is, at most, a secondary character. The problem with Destiny storytelling is that we are introduced to so many characters who occasionally have plot relevance that we don’t really focus on a “main cast” of characters. Take Sloane for example: she was in a portion of the Red wad campaign, had nothing to do until her part in season of the arrivals, and then had nothing to do until now with season of the deep. She has major plot relevance now, but I doubt she’ll have much relevance next season because we’ll be looking into an entirely different story line. Zavala is more of a main character because despite the seasonal storytelling, he still makes some sort of appearance in seasons that don’t focus on him.
@@tylerbeaver1935 Maybe in Red War era she was but she is treated more like a side character. In fact in some MMOs there are some side characters(still very beloved characters) that have more screen time than Amanda does. I'm including the cutscenes that aren't viewable anymore because they were seasonal.
@@NuclearRizzicist So youre just gonna ignore the fact that we're here, on a youtube video about this differing opinion, where the content creator that made the video does not say a slur, discussing it in a comment section that is 99% devoid of slurs, in a comment thread 100% devoid of slurs. You're just going to ignore ALL of that, and still say we do something. *OKAY*
This article drips of "I'm having fun so nobody can criticize this thing that I enjoy because they are obviously wrong" or "I love being a Bungie shill". Maybe it's both, When she made a big deal about Amanda's death saying how Bungie "clapped back" I almost fell out of my chair laughing so hard.
I can't believe a professional wrote this lol. It's like she started playing the game 2 days ago or something. I guess we should be on our knees, begging bungie for less content and ask them to increase the prices. This... this is hilarious. I've read some wild articles from pcgames for d2 but this takes the cake.
@@anthonypotamitis7049 I can believe it. It wasn't written to be an actual opinion. It was written to drive clicks and create controversy. One of the biggest destiny streamers is talking about it. Whole point is to drive ad sales to PCgamer.
I like how NONE Of the downsides were mentioned, like barrier to entry for the full experience when on sale or when not on sale which is about $180. The price increase to the seasons, the recycled content, etc. This was such a pick and choose piece.
Honestly the barrier to entry is one of my biggest gripes, I've been playing for years so for me specifically it doesn't really matter but I have a bunch of friends who ask me if they should play and I just have to say no you shouldn't because it costs a shit load to get all the content and they removed the old content that would allow you to make sense of the story. It's missing 2 years worth of expansions and 5 years worth of seasonal story.
This article was click bait. Hope articles like this where they say Destiny is “amazing” and the fans are “spoiled” keep popping up and it becomes a meme, as that seems to be the only time our generation can actually vote with their wallets, when something is a meme/viral.
It’s crazy you say this and get 80 likes. If you even dare to say something like this in the reddit you are going to receive unwarranted angry replies and negative likes. Crazy how common sense is looked down upon over there
@omars1369 yeah the Subreddit is weird, it's all echo chambery sometimes. The mods make it even worse by straight up removing comments that disagree with them. Everyone will be talking about how poor something was implemented, then you'll see a mod jump in saying how they like the feature, and the second it goes negative they delete the entire chain for being "Uncivil".
You certainly can, and many do. But when you have those spreading hate to others for spending money (for example, to my brother who made a video getting the sparrow, but he rarely buys silver), it muddies the water. I do think that Bungie has gone too far, but the playerbase (at least, the vocal ones) are definitely the problem too.
@@BPRFilmz damn dude that’s not cool. Sorry your brother had to deal with that. I will say that no matter the community there are always shitty people.
@@Jedijames1999 agreed, every group/fan base has them. It's easy to clump the negative players with the rest, but they always say it's a vocal minority, who ruin it for everyone else.
It’s one of the major reasons Destiny has a major community that sticks around and emphasizes the flaws of the game. We want to see the best for the game, so we try to put a lot of focus on the bad to see positive change.
As a PvP main, this article has helped me see the error in my ways. The problem isn't one new map in 4 years or SBMM in a connection based game or AE or bad sandboxes going months without significant changes or server crashes or a resurgence of cheaters or lack of crucible loot incentive or other issues that may have a negative effect on the PvP experience; it's totally just my perspective that's wrong. Thank you article for helping me realize the error in my thought patterns. >_>
What you should've gotten from that article is: You always walk away from any toxic relationship 😑 That's why stop playing D2 six months ago, best decision ever.
PvP is trash in destiny way to unbalanced and not much skill needed to play... Know how to slide, jump and use a god roll crutch gun and ur super then ur "good".
Can't even trust destiny lore anymore. Bungie is willing to retcon anything they want at any whim just to make a new dlc work for them. Nothing is canon anymore.
@@tinystar3010 was taking a break from playing D2 this year only checking in on the story but after seeing the lore post lightfall I'm mentally tuned out from that as well.
The traveller kept bouncing because the witness be approaching everytime but I think the races needed to stop depending on their God all the time too.. there are stories in some religions where Gods left mankind because of their over dependence on them and their lack of will to evolve on their own
For each positive point mentioned in this article, I can point out half a dozen problems. Granted, none of them are big and game breaking but instead small frustrations. These small problems have been piling up over the years, hundreds of them, until they've finally tipped the balance. That's the problem. We had enough. We are tired.
@bullrun2772 Same to you. You seem to be the most upset one here by far. OP gave an explanation for their opinion, you're just coming to say "SHUT UP, GOD SHUT UP OH MY GOD" How old are you?
@@YoshiLupusok let me tell you something Bungie does get billed for having their building they are not exempt for taxes corporation like Amazon and Walmart and Microsoft and Sony get exempt cause they are big companies they have multiple locations
@@YoshiLupus stop giving money to bungie and they'll start to care. They base their decisions on numbers, if players are still paying and playing the game they won't ever give a crap about the complaints.
Then you would have folks who only play one character flip their lids because they have to pay full price for three Armor Sets instead of at a discount for one Armor Set.
Her point for the dungeon key was "If you can't afford the Ultimate Edition, then you can buy the dungeon key separately" Which technically is nice if you don't want other parts of the game, but that's not what we want, we want the game properly bundled up under one price tag. Having à la carte content is nice for accessibility but not for Bungies sales practice, since they're using it to gouge rather than provide an in.
Exactly this! We can understand separation of content, but 2000 silver dungeons and now 1200 for a season (which let’s be real, the season pass in pay-to-win). It’s a mess.
@@ynProdigy Deluxe edition's of dlc's only give you the main dlc + the season pass / dungeon pass. That's it. We need a surefire way to purchase ALL past dlc's in one bundle.
There used to be a tracker that tracked how many players engaged with each "game mode" and patrols always had way more players than any other mode lol. She might be referencing that, but it's likely not people playing patrols. But rather you have to enter a patrol zone to do several other activities.
@@justifano7046While what you’re saying is true. There are also a ton of people that actually just do patrols. There was a few of them in my old clan. 6k hours in game, 4K in patrol. The rest of their time was sparsely dotted with PvP, raids and higher end nightfall content. The rest was vanguard strikes. There’s a huge demographic that are similar and are usually in Facebook groups or on forums looking for clans that offer to carry or “teach” raids and end game content. Mostly posting about how they dislike using mic because they’re shy or hate toxicity.
@@DJIsher1 Its understandable if the patrol time is bumped up by free to play players, but if PAYING destiny players are spending the majority of their time in patrols thats honestly kind of sad. I cant imagine paying for a game and not actually playing it to atleast some semblance of its capacity.
i've seen several, and i mean several destiny fanboys defending destiny as a f2p game with all kinds of different mental gymnastics and dumb arguments, but i think this is the first time anyone ever mentions patrols lmao, it was so weird.
Gambit prime was so underated, it wasn't perfect by any means, but it was way better than any of the alternatives we've had of the mode, it was more dynamic, it was more objective, it leaned more into the importance of your roll in the match rather than everyone competing amongst their teamates for the motes or the power ammo or the portal. Gambit prime did have it's flaws like how vulnerable your entire team was during the "damage phases" of the prime evil since the entire team needed to be clustered together in a small space to do any significant damage, extremely vulnerable to invasions while also limiting your damage strategy to just mid to long range weapons and supers since you couldn't leave the small area where the damage buff was given. I wish they brought back gambit prime as the definite gambit experience but rework it to remove the negative aspects of it
I am jealous of these players who could still "hate" on the game because I have reached the point of no longer caring about the game and just watch someone else play/talk about it
Bungie started to lose me when they decided to delve into "social justice" issues, then Lono being IP banned, my final straw was the inconsistent story telling, and lack of PVP support. I don't play much PVE
I stopped playing it so much when this guy sent me hate, threatened me with an irl gun and continued to talk shit. When I said "the fucks your problem dude?" Bungie immediately banned me for a week and let him slide. So, this person who wrote that article just screams "I suck Bungie's cock. Yum yum more pls."
imo, what she made, was to get clicks, hate or love didn't matter, still gets add revanue... so aztra is doing her a huge favor. but yeah this is an f- tier post, designed to get you to hate click, but unable to say anything, as 99% of these types of sites dont have comments... so the views just mean "oh man look at how many people agree with me!" type of logic....
The issue is that when you buy the deluxe edition and hand over your cash, you expect to have access to the entire content in the game, no questions asked. Instead, the deluxe edition does not cover the event pass, the ornaments, or the new content added to the eververse store. If not everything is included in the deluxe edition, why even call it a deluxe edition in the first place? Imagine if any other game tried doing this, selling you a deluxe edition and then paywalling further content just so that you have to fork out more.
Literally why I say the players look for issues to fit their agenda. Like, what the fuck are you on about? The Deluxe edition gives you access to everything. It's all the content that will be released throughout the year. What you want is to have access to the cosmetics that are in the store. Why should you? They're not a part of the story or gameplay, they're just cosmetics. You want the event cards. Seriously? First of all, anyone who buys them is just throwing money out of the window. The emotes and other crao they five you are so not worth it, especially qith how vad D2 events are. Furthermore, the events are free and annual. They're not tied to the story ir anything else.
its one of the reasons i havent bought a delux ed in a bit , hell the last expansion i bought on a SALE cuz Bungo just doesnt value my purchase and the sale prices is what i feel its worth at this point with all the microtransaction thrown around
it is funny, but the argument he's making is the sheer amount of reskin and reissue weapons that are in game right now. Like all the neomuna guns are just shadowkeep guns minus beads and feathers. Season of Defiance guns are exactly the Season of the Lost guns (but with unpaintable crystal), Season of the Deep guns are Season of Drifter guns (but taken, which is not even a new shader, it's been in the game, probably needed some tuning). Current Solstice event's "First ever Strand rocket launcher" is gambit's Bad Omens reskin (Forsaken release). As the next season and the one after that roll around, I am expecting two more series of reskinned guns, I am sure they'll meet my expectations. Let's say, if the next season involves Savathun, they're gonna be Shadowkeep guns from Altars of Sorrow, but recolored to look like Lucent Hive instead of Scarlet Brood. This is a filler year, they did not plan it that much in advance, except for exotics the last time we had a completely new weapon design was Season of Seraph. And that's what they want $100 for, a year of filler content, pulled from both TWQ and Final Shape. And we're the problem at the end of the day.
This is also a problem of developers laziness. Seriously - how long ago did we get a legendary weapon outside of raids/dungeons that wasn't a reskin of the old one? It seems that since the arrival season - and even then only the bow seemed to be new - the rest of the weapons were still the same reskin. From time to time they either tritely repaint the weapon model and give it a different archetype/type of damage, or sculpt a cadaver from several parts of an old weapon. With the weapons of the last raid "Roots of Nightmares" this is especially noticeable - they took ordinary legendaries, slapped something resembling coral on them, and now - a new weapon! Yes, even a new sniper rifle from rank PVP - this model is molded from the blue sniper AAHEN-LR2 and the sight from the beloved with a minimal change in the look of the magazine. Oh, well, they also painted it in a trendy color, they worked very hard, apparently.
Bungie management and top devs dont Care about destiny at all anymore! Now its a money maker Machine! Finally when Bungie secured themselves with couple new games! This time its much different than pre-forsaken! Because back then Destiny2 was their Only Game! They couldn't let it die so they made forsaken! Now if it dies they are Fine with it!
My biggest gripe has, and always will be, the sense of a lack of cohesion for casual or new players. The storyline feels like a side thought unless you've either A) played the game since launch or B) watched every Byf video. The lack of story mission progression leading players from one expansion to the next makes it feel muddy. Bungie only muddied the waters further by sunsetting the vanilla campaign. I think Bungie would do good to take a small page from the MMO side of the fence and tie everything down to a main character narrative (think the MSQ from FF14, for example). New Lights are given a goal, and during acheiving that goal they get to discover all the other stuff D2 has to offer on the side.
I have tried SO many times to recruit my friends into Destiny and Destiny 2 and having to explain to a new player how things do work and why they work that way, how they worked before and how they changed and why they changed.. even the main story line of Omnigul has been altered so many times to where it literally doesn't even make sense anymore.. they even changed her name half way through so my friends are like 'who we after now?.. and why?'.. you're absolutely correct.. indeed the MAIN story is nothing more than an afterthought to Bungie. Legit mess that they don't even bother cleaning up
I downloaded D2 in 2020, got dropped into the Red War story and accidentally came out of it then couldn't figure out what to do. I did some public events in the EDZ, watched other players transmat away and had no idea what was going on so I gave up on it. A couple of years later I heard some friends talking about Destiny and I started playing again, got dropped straight into Dares of Eternity, each round took 45+ minutes because we were new lights with tough bosses, and up in orbit I looked at the maps with no clue what to do. Red War had gone and the game didn't put me into the New Lights story. My friends gave me advice and I went to a few places and farmed blue items to get my light level up. One day I went to the Cosmodrome, realising I'd never been there, and it went to a cut scene where my ghost was acting like we'd just met. I was in the New Lights story, getting a tutorial and basic gear, being told backstory... I'd been playing for weeks by this time. A year and a half later and I still play regularly, but if my friends hadn't explained the game, if I hadn't watched hours of Byf, if I'd just relied on the game itself, I'd have given up after a couple of days.
@@pumellhorneI feel ya. That Dares of Eternity issue was brutal. The only reason I knew about it was I was trying to bring a friend into the game and I asked where he was in the New Light quest, and he mentioned something about a talking horse. That's when I knew, he was fucked. But I got into an argument a couple of days ago about the game with a Bungie fanboy, and I told them to play the new light mission again if they hadn't because it is unpolished, boring, and confusing and their response was "It being unpolished is just your opinion. And it wasn't confusing for me." Like of course it wasn't confusing for you, you know how all the systems in the game work. But for a brand new player, there is basically no direction on what to do.
"Destiny 2’s free-to-play content includes a generous selection of activities - you can play as all three classes, and there’s a helpful, overhauled version..." This sounds like a marketing flyer, not like a journalistic piece.
Pinnacles should've been made to be exotics, not removed. Hell, Not Forgotten could've just been the catalyst for Luna's Howl that you could toggle on/off (ranged vs cqb).
Something I've always thought about is that if size issues from old raids/content is a issue then why not make that content optional to download. That way only people that want to play that specific content have to deal with the size issues while everyone else doesn't have to care. It would be a win/win for literally everyone. I personally would 100% download all old content for D2 and want to play it all again. It would be a fun experience.
I'm guessing there must be something keeping them from doing this on the developer side, if it was possible they could have avoided all the shit they got for it
That would be if it was a size issue for the player not the developer. It's a size issue for the game it's self. They would still have to keep that on their servers and with in the game even if one person was playing it.
when the gaming engine is old and you have to apply all changes manually, it makes maintaing harder and harder, let's say in wrath of the machine we have 100 gears and 3 subclass, but now we have 5 subclass and 300 gear, and those old subclasses also changed, so developers have to manually set these items and abilities manually to work with the old part of the game. Destiny 2 was nt about to live this long, forsaken or shadowkeep could be the beginning of destiny 3 with new engine . but they decided to do the easy job, get your money , give you nothing.
They made all that content free. So much free content that sales for the non free content wasn't to their liking. They will never fully release all that content. It's not in their best interest.
Honestly cross its hilarious that I've stopped playing D2 for the most part but the ONLY reason I'm even still aware of what goes on in the game is because I just watch your videos
I dropped the game around October last year and literally only know what’s going on because of cross because I genuinely like his content generally speaking
Genuine new lights wouldn't defend destiny, the game gives you very little direction or reason to care about anything that almost no one new can get into it. Let alone understand what's going on in the story.
this article have to be written by a bungie bootlicker or paid to write because not in n+1 years of d2 exist you can be so blind on how bungie shitting on its players
god i could listen to aztecross talk about stuff like this forever. he provides "evidence" of his points, fairly is trying to understand more than just his own view, and isn't wanting to send hate to people who may come off as whack, incorrect, or just not including information because it doesn't fit their narrative. props and love.
@@eye-chan1711 She sold ships and sparrows...Tess does it better. Her backstory was transparently written to kill her off and create drama, only this time, unlike Mara, or Cayde...nobody cares because she's not a core character.
I've played since early D1, and the only reason I still play is to see where the story goes and to play with my clan. Deep will be the first season where I may not finish the season pass.
You and me both man. I got to like level 60 and crafted all the seasonal weapons in that first week or 2 before Diablo launched because I grinded hard knowing I was going on a Destiny Hiatus because at my core I'm a Diablo player. But I'm barely at level 70ish and have 0 desire to play. I logged in did that shite exotic quest and got the site exotic scout. That's about it.
Just this morning I was doing ghost of the deep and got booted at thw last boss when the boss was almost dead. I logged off and played a different game.
1:23 The system itself is free but if you do want to get that level up you need to buy the latest DLC and its current season to unlock some achievements, such as restart your level with the seasonal vendor, as an example. I know D2 players know this, just wanted to bring this to the table
They also mentioned the guardian ranks being free. Yet completely ignored the fact that to continue to rank 7 you need to complete the lightfall campaign. So it's free up to a point. At which point players are forced to pay.
I honestly wouldn't mind if after the final shape drop and we conclude the story they gave us the option to download all of the sunset content and made the game 500 GB in order to relive the nostalgia and the memories I had by this game over the past 10 years And I'm sure others wouldn't have a problem doing it either
you know whats crazy it doesnt have to to be 500 gb all they old things like stories put it in and the seasonal things players loved not the trash ones
@@grimaximus345 I know right there ain't no way bungie would do something for the veterans like that it's all about the casuals and free to play players
how big was d2 before they vaulted the content anyway? i got into the game pretty late so i don't really remember, all i know is that currently destiny 2 has crossed the 3-digit-mark
10:12 to be fair, the Traveler only leaves civilizations because of the Witness. With the knowledge we gained from that cutscene, it’s known that if no one tries to merge the Traveler with the Veil, the Traveler will stay forever. But it made an exception for Humanity right before Lightfall.
Or did it? Think about it: Savathuns Worm said that she (inadvertedly) saved Humanity during the Collapse. We do know she killed Nezarek and hid the Veil. So it stands to reason that her hiding the Veil made the Traveler stay because, as you said, it flees when the Witness attempts to link the two.
@@elseggs6504I mean it was going to flee and then came back. That was the final season prior to Lightfall/beginning of Lightfall. The traveller left our atmosphere to leave because the witness was closing in, then decided to stay and fight with us.
@yeet_master_5k653 I don't think it was. Remember the warsats were all pointing at the traveler, and the traveler was sitting right above the city. The collateral would have destroyed the city and the traveler at the same time, so it jumped to orbit. Traveler never intended to leave, it was jumping on the grenade.
@phillipguerrero6165 No, Eramis had hijacked the Warsat network and was turning them on the traveler deliberately to destroy it. This is probably why it was moving. Had they fired, the last city would have still been relatively safe from the collateral
Something that's happened recently, despite it being apples to oranges, is the story around Baldur's Gate 3 that's popping off right now. The general idea is that other devs are trying to temper the consumers' expectations around it. The general vibe that I get is that game devs are getting complacent/lazy. Definitely worth a look. Same thing is happening with Bungie. They are pumping out the similar seasonal content with mediocre/badly paced writing. I've not played the game since Diablo 4 came out because of it. They just don't want to *overdeliver*. This article feels out of touch, trying to hide behind a hot take with some good points to get by. Like yeah: the player base is insufferable at times, but they didn't magically get that way. Don't try to give Bungie an out for becoming complacent.
Minimal effort/ maximum profit. Why do you think they push eververse so much? It’s far easier to reskin and add a new paint job than it is to program and entirely new AI or environments. I absolutely understand it from a business perspective: why “Overdeliver” when let’s say 10k players are willing to dump 20 bucks or more a season on a damn cosmetic ? On recycled mechanics and weapons ? It IS the player base, but the player base can also help fix it.
Bungie aren't getting lazy. They did this on purpose. They chose a minimum viable content model, sacrificing quality in the name of speed and consistency.
@@feathersigil2048 yeah but why? BECAUSE PLAYERS ARE GOBBLING IT UP. If you could cook a 50$ steak, sell it for 70$ or a 5$ steak sandwhich and sell it for 70$ why would you ever make the 50$ steak to sell??? here is a good example. right now you can get 5 seasons for 55$. the community wants bungie to sell a 1200 silver bundle just so its "easy" to purchase the season. Thats 60$ for 5 seasons in stead of 55$. The community is BEGGING them to take there money, even aztecross pushed this 1200 silver in his viral video. the player base has done this to themselves.
Lazy people don’t care about the “why?”. It takes effort, so they take the convenient route and don’t even bother. That’s like being a detective and completing ignoring the motive of a crime you’re investigating.
I like the witnesses backstory because to me it really showed that the light and dark are not inherently good or evil, albeit still useable on your own, but that the witness (and maybe even the traveller at this point) is just using the dark (or light) like we do, just holding ultimate mastery over the power that comes with it
The problem is, this isn't what was set up all these years, for example the dredgen Yor character is described as someone who "fell to the darkness." The wording seems to imply that the dark is bad since its something someone can fall to.
@@fancyman4563 I mean that's how story progression works, you act like guardians knew everything about the darkness, when they didn't even know everything about the light
This right here I can't agree with more. As bad and as toxic as the playerbase can be and some of it is, I hate the fact that there a so many players who refuse to see what bungie has done wrong and just attack other players as the problem
@funnystranger3380 the one thing I can say is the enabling that some player allow. Bungie rehashes content that they sunsetted and people act like it's the second coming of Jesus and if you dare criticize it you're a whiney baby despite the fact most of us paid $100+ for said content. It's upsetting to see
I tried playing destiny with some friends who never heard of the game before, and it went disastrous, they had no clue what was going, what the stakes were, why they should do what and so on. Most of them never picked it up again and one of m even stopped halfway through a strike because the warlock jump was never explained and they couldn’t clear a jumping puzzle. I don’t think its their fault for not liking that experience
Fair enough, however me and a couple online friends went and did something similar with the opposite conclusion as we now have a 6 person team of destiny 2 addicts. Granted these friends had played MMOs and shooters and souls games and had been gaming for awhile. Taking brand new gamers into games that don’t explain much as their first game means they’re probably not gonna engage as much. As to the ‘why are we doing x?’ Question, that got answered pretty quickly based on the intro dialogue to whatever strike we were doing or with a simple answer stating that X happened with Y event and we can replay X. They understood what live service games tend to do (see their experiences with Diablo where they have to delete and create a brand new character every season) and adjusted fairly quickly often comparing destiny to a first person MMO. They had fun with the game and still play to this day, and when monetization and ad campaigns are brought up as complaints their immediate comparison is Diablo Immortal.
@@urticantspoon9960No they dont. Nobody starting at this point will know what the fuck a warmind is. I still have New Lights confuse Fallen and Hive with one another.
@@urticantspoon9960 my friends didn’t have those experiences and when you need someone else to explain the game for you the game isn’t doing a great job itself
I’ve played D2 the whole life cycle so far basically nonstop (except for when my baby was born), and the new light experience is absolute trash. I’ve remade characters (pre Beyond Light) and it’s so terrible and has never gotten better only worse. Having no campaigns, no explanation, and then locking important cutscenes and other major expansion details and plot points behind a seasonal pay wall with no yearly recap is awful. If they’re gonna do what they’ve done and split major expansion story into seasons, actual good recaps need to happen to explain the seasonal stories and what we’ve discovered for people who don’t play seasonal content and for those who have taken breaks.
I wish they would make an exotic version of some of the peak pinnacle weapons. I’d gladly run legendary weapons in other slots for an exotic version of mountaintop or recluse!
Yea except for the shitstorm that was unlocking forges, and the light level entry shitstorm, and niobe labs, and rare bounties, mountaintop recluse. Aside from all that it was good yes
This article reads as if a Bungie employee is angry at us and trying to say you should be grateful of all these things…completely ignoring all the real problems in this game that need to be improved on. If there are a ton of issues that affect player enjoyment and is really getting to the community, not fixing it will make it worse. Saying ignore that and focus on the positives and be grateful…that’s how it gets worse.
For me it's either the witness origin needed to the thing we waited on but we got the origin of the traveler and veil, or the traveler and veil origins needed to wait while we got the origin of the witness. Or one was in the expansion and the other came in season. It might have prompted greater creativity if they at least were given to us separately rather than together, especially when we consider that at least one of them should have been revealed in expansion but separate from seasonal content. I think the witness origin should have been withheld to seasonal content, but lightfall only revealed the origin of the traveler and veil.
I really wish they at least kept the red war for new lights. As someone who started destiny with d2, I thought it was great. I remember picking my first exotic at Sloane after earning it. Now the current new light experience? ALL of my friends that I recommended d2 to have little to no idea wtf to do in the game, let alone what's going on or happened in the story. Important characters? I've tried it and even I got confused sometimes and it feels so ducktaped together. The biggest thing I'd like to point out is it basically says here's some of the end game, but it doesn't establish the endgame because there's no pregame/storygame at all.
Yep, 2 years of expansions and years of seasonal story content being removed makes it so difficult for anyone new to care even slightly for whats happening
I think it's a mix of both. Bungie needs to listen to the dedicated fans more(casual and veteran) and the community as a whole needs to quit complaining 24/7 and not be as toxic. Both sides are to blame for different reasons.
Its mainly the players, for years now I've heard them complain about special weapons and how strong they are, and then every pvp match they play a special weapon is glued into their hands. They complain about stuff getting nerfed, when everyone in the game is running 1 weapon, bungie has the impossible job of pleasing the destiny community.
@LuciferMoringstar999 i think a big problem is bungie listening to the extremely casucal players which are the main ones who overally complain aside from a few streamers. They should be making the game for the dedicated fans who choose to stay rather than the fans who get on for an hour 2x a week. Bungie needs to step up their game and the fans need to quit complaining 24/7 Edit: what i mean by extremely casual os people who only play for like an hour a week or something.
@@cerebralassassin2185 if you think the new light experience is a good introduction into d2, the game will never grow. casuals have the right to complain
@@mattux9705casuals can complain about casual modes. It’s when they complain about something in pvp where everything gets fucked, all because thwy cant aim
@cerebralassassin2185 you are the exact type of player they should NEVER listen to. Jesus, you gatekeeping weirdos give this community such a bad reputation. Bungie should not cater to people who play this game like it's a second job. That would kill their player base, anyways.
If Bungie doesn’t throw out their over delivery mindset for The Final Shape Destiny is probably screwed. It just goes to show how corporate Bungie has become, and I hope that the greed of the people in charge doesn’t get too bad and ruin the game.
I always love when people talk about what the size of the game would be without sunsetting or removal of seasonal content as if it justifies anything. I don't give a fuck what size the game will be if I paid for it. It better still be around in some way
"what size" is completely dependent on Bungie's ability to compress the game too, its not a good excuse to say it would be a high number to begin with. Content gets added to live service games all the time, and yet they remain a pretty reasonable size.
@@nicholaspaat7302 While the community is more toxic, it's only due to Bungie's latest failings. If things were going good, you'd see less people complain or people letting minor things slide. But things aren't going great and so the community is looking for negative things to (rightfully) call out and some take it a bit too far.
Let's be honest, if it wasn't for Myelin, Byf and the other amazing lore channels, very few new players would stick around for the story and lore. Destiny's long and incredible history has long been lost. Even Cayde, who's statuette we see at the Tower, is a completely unknown figure for new lights.
@@Lynxx52 honestly I wish bungie could have actually kept their promises with Activision but they couldn’t. Imagine if there was a new destiny release every 1-2 years we could all go back to completely different eras of destiny at any time. Bungie would have been more willing to take risks as well knowing they could just change it all in the next game. Imagine there was no sun setting of content just 5 different versions of destiny we could play at any time.
The game has improved immensely over the last year or so. So many things have been added or tweaked for the better, you're just focusing on the negative.
Amanda was a major character? She wasn't apart of the damn story since Red War and even then, she was only in a brief cutscene. The only feeling i got was dread because I knew that Crow was gonna cry about it and go back to square one again
Amanda had some appearances here and there in the various seasons, notably Season of the Chosen, but yeah even with those appearances she was still a side character and not an especially interesting one either.
i got 5 minutes into the article read. The issue is that we are expected to pay upwards of $120 a year to get all content for the year. THEN they charge for the event cards, whatever micro dlc they decide to come out with, and THEN they add hundreds upon hundreds of dollars worth of cosmetics, and we still haven't had a new pvp map in what, 6 years? And THEN the content we are paying for is reskinned half the time. and all of this shit happens every single year. So what happens is a feedback loop. "it's more expensive to buy all the content I want to play than it is to buy the deluxe edition, but now i'm forced to play content I don't want to play because I paid for it because it was cheaper". so now you've got a playerbase who has spent upwards of a thousand dollars, assuming they only bought the required content, no silver bought, who is now more monetarily invested into a game than they spend on rent every month, who see the game falling apart, growing stale, etc. Bungie has 42 million registered users, and if we assume that just 1 million of those players have bought every single content expansion, bungie has made upwards of a billion dollars, just in content sales, on mostly reskinned content. And we know that number is so much higher.
Even though I wasn't huge on gambit, I still enjoyed Gambit Prime cause it was something fresh and new... I miss that feeling of getting something new and exciting to do.
@@watson498 exotic quests and missions are nothing but new. Nowadays they all just reuse assets and locations outside of the major expansion. Raids and dungeons are still exciting but that's pretty much it. I don't get excited for seasonal activity number 17. It's just me personally though... You can enjoy and like the content obviously who am I to tell you how to feel about it.
@watson498 I do enjoy new raids/dungeons/exotic quests/missions/etc a lot pretty sure more than gambit prime. The grind for the title I did enjoy very much! Very various objectives, longterm engagement and you did contribute to your team while doing it. The complete opposite of what bounties or seasonal challenges are. I mean 100 kills with auto/scout/HC each made me play plenty of games only using primaries. It sucked for me and for my teammates. (Sorry for the off topic rant)
This article was written by someone who has never played the game and only googled it. You only get a little taste of each system you don't get them for free. Season passes expansions and dungeons all need to purchased.
Articles like these are why I'm starting to block gaming "Journalisim" sites. I give them a chance, but some inch their way closer to never being seen by me again and joining Kotaku in my personal void.
I love this game, but I am seeing a point where things need to change. Depending on what happens after Final Shape I might do what I did when Marvel completed their Avengers movie series. I’ll stop playing as much and only jump on every so often but I won’t invest as much time. Also I agree that Forsaken was the benchmark for content. I came back to it like 6 months after forsaken dropped because I had just gotten into the military. I fell in love with the game then. I hope Bungie sees what they need to fix. Also I still love Gambit and wish they would just add the old maps back. When they took away Prime I was so sad.
I think this article missed the mark by a longshot, yes the community isn't always great, yes bungie has made a decent handful of improvements to the game when compared to previous years, but there are still many problems, especially with the narrative lately, the author doesn't seem to fully understand the state of the game, if they did they would know how funny it is to call guardian ranks free.
There should be more sources of pinnacle drops, and there should be more guaranteed drop sources in general like heroic public events have gotten me nothing but glimmer too many times now
Heroic public events should guaranteed drop a legendary world pool item. Like there is literally no reason to be stingy with the world pool items, bungie is just being too lazy to actually go in and make casual pve content worth it
@@zewps9502if it was up to people like you, we’d still be getting raid loot for EXISTING in a clan that did a raid. If you want to play casually then go ahead but don’t expect loot to be showered from the heavens by doing a public event and patrol
@@mutantraze3681 you don't know me if that's what you think bro I find passive rewards stupid and I especially hate when games make it so that if you aren't in a clan then you're actively nerfing yourself because it ruins solo players experience (see: my hatred for Ants: Underground Kingdom)
Comparing the present to the past and criticizing poor moves are how innovation occurs. Companies are becoming creatively bankrupt because many consumers are easily entertained so now everyone has to be easily entertained or we're a monster. We should not feel bad for questioning why things are so bad now when they have been great so many times
The article is just so true and insightful. We should be so grateful as to have lost sectors, patrols, and PUBLIC EVENTS as free content. Sweet worm gods yeah the community sucks, but like all of them for games like this are. Those people are terrible scum but holy shit its not a Destiny 2 specific problem. You can’t blame the community for lightfall, sunsetting, content vaulting, manipulative pricing of silver, server instability, lack of free PvE content, or the neglect towards PvP content. All of that is on Bungie, and this is a game almost six years in the making and almost 9 years as a series.
I for one am grateful to bungie for the gift of 100 glimmer when I finish a lost sector, granted my glimmer is already full but nonetheless I ask for nothing more.
i dont want to give Bungie ideas... but a Hyper advanced SIVA (the neomuna kind) season that gives us access to a Forge mode (narratively) would be the answer to the lack of PvP and gambit content. We could build whole maps and modes with that nanotech and build upon the parts of the game that aren't being updated every season. That is the only way we can fix things ourselves
Bringing back the raids that they took out is not a bad thing, specially if the are adjusted for current Destiny and they are not charged for. It was a mistake to take them out, it is, however, not a mistake to bring them back, specially if it is within the year and not a an expansion.
I actually have multiple friends asking why its only d1 things coming back for pve, eventually d2 stuff will ha e to comeback so why does it matter when it starts.
I don't understand why they have the mindset of always under-deliver they could have the mindset of always underestimate what they can make and then try to over deliver that would be so much better.
To be fair, and to play devil's advocate just a tiny bit, that's not their mindset. Their mindset is to deliver at a very consistent level in terms of overall content and only move that needle a tiny bit over time (compare Season of the Undying to Season of Hunt and then again to Season of the Risen and Season of Defiance, you'll see over time that there is objectively more content even if I'd argue that sometimes the quality isn't quite there). This is, by their own admission, to stop people from getting unrealistic expectations, or setting themselves up for failure by making something insane for one season/DLC and then not having the resources or time to repeat that, thus causing a really inconsistent level of content/quality. Regardless of what you or I might think of the quality of seasons, it's really hard to make an argument against their consistency. Whether that means they're consistenly good or bad is absolutely up to discussion and I wouldn't really blame you for thinking either way, but I think that consistency is something we can all agree on even if we disagree on whether or not it's a good thing.
Because that mindest is Easy,cheap,Lazy! their Top devs and Managers are lazy ass and they like to just Copy paste! They just Reskin/recycle shit and Overhype that shit with some Paid ornaments and they Lie Alot! They prefer to Spend our money to make other games to secure themselves from destiny! If someday destiny died from their Lazy greedy ass,then they can have couple money maker games! Thats the strategy
I feel like an article like this needs to be written, but more thoughtful than whatever that was lol, cause at this point it feels like the community is grasping at stuff just to be upset at besides the actual painpoints
its not grasping there are pain points tell me why i should have to pay more money for a dungeon that should have been in the content and tell me why all the old destiny 1 seasons gave out super super free content there making more money now and have more players why is the prices going up and the amount of content there making going down? why are they making me pay just for it to go away after a year?
@kingsoflucis1939 All the stuff we're upset at like monetization, for example, it is very important and necessary that we are so vocal about our displeasure. However, I do feel like some people are just complaining and shitting on Bungie just to do so and aren't necessarily trying to help better the game as a whole.
@@undeadmockingjay2000yeah there are a lot of people who complain about random stuff that doesn't make sense. But problem is even with the main pain points there's not much that can be done about it other than complaining. Its certainly a viscous cycle. I've stopped playing for the time being but I know that's not gonna do much and I'll probably get back to playing the game at a later date. Though I won't be buying the expansion unless it's good enough that it has actually improved the game and they start delivering again. Only thing I can think of to contribute.
This right here is what I've telling my "friends" for years. Yet they still hate buy the game because they know their hate will be justified. And in the few instances where the game goes in the right direction they're _still_ angry because their expectations were subverted. I want to feel bad for the devs having to deal with bigots and armchair specialists who think they know best. But at the same time, as king said, they can wipe their tears with all the money from the absurd monetization.
As with many things in life, I think the answer is somewhere in the middle. We have several well documented concerns about Bungie and the state of their game (your recent video in particular), but there are also segments of the community that will never be satisfied or can be downright toxic. The world isn't on fire and the overall package is still excellent. However, it has lots of places for improvement (e.g. narrative in Lightfall, monetization, teetering on the edge of Pay to Win, etc.).
Don't forget the extremely high price tag to even get into the game if you want to be able to keep up. Really, I think only the most recent content should be charged and everything else become free, I.E. Witch Queen and Lightfall costs money and everything else is free, including the older dungeons.
6:50 we don’t even have ritual weapons for each playlist anymore now there is a singular ritual weapon for all three playlist. Wish we could have a unique one for all three again.
I like how it says guardian ranks are free, even tho I was able to trio 2 raids and complete every gm last season but I was stuck at level 7 because I didn’t have the witch queen dungeon key 😂
I thought the ranks were really cool, I saw that I was on rank 7 and super hyped to go higher...and then I saw that if I want to do that I have to spend money. Which given the games lackluster content, I don't really wanna give them more money
Not everything that is sold for silver will be available for bright dust. The author outright lied there. It has never been this way. There are a bunch of things that are for bright dust, and I'm glad it's an option, but acting like all you have to do is wait for the silver stuff to be sold as bright dust is a lie. No amount of waiting will see the god of war, horizon, ghost of tsushima, or assassin's creed sets being sold for bright dust. There are many sparrows, ghosts, ships, etc. that were never sold for bright dust either, and never will be. I argue with people all the time about this on reddit because they read articles like this and think that everything will just magically be sold for bright dust one day.
Something I do agree with is...if you aren't having fun with the game, just stop playing. It's literally that simple. It's okay to get 200+ hours out of a game and then moving on. Maybe check back in next season or expansion. There are so many amazing games out there. It makes no sense to force something you aren't enjoying, instead of going and playing things like divinity 2, Subnautica, Ori and the blind forest, god of war, etc
Every game you just listed isn't competitive or actually multiplayer.. also speaking out about how bs the monetization systems are is beneficial to the consumer aka you
I remember when my Overwatch burnout kicked in (I played a lot of OW1/2 for like 4 years) I had to force myself to find different games to play, instead of Overwatch. It's very easy to realize you should play a different game, but it's hard to actually do it when you cross a certain threshold of playtime (for some people, at the least).
@@Jeshua_Newborn I mean 45k players last I looked, and your not hurting my feelings I didn't make destiny, but I mean it's Def competitive my friend not only pvp but pve
15:34 As someone who plays FF14 religiously, I can confidently say that FF14 is not 100+ GBs. it's getting there, but it's more like 80+ right now on PC. On PS5, as of the latest patch which released yesterday, the game is actual only 52 GB, which is almost half of Destiny 2's storage. size. So not only does FF14 have more content cause it doesn't remove things and it still a decent file size, but it's also properly optimized for the PS5 and therefore takes advantage of the SSD decompression to help it be significantly smaller, which Destiny doesn't bother to do at all.
Fairly certain they’re a Bungie plant. There is not a single fan of Destiny that would shill for them (Bungie) THAT hard, because any real fan of Destiny will feel hurt by how Bungie treats us these days. Cuz it didn’t use to be this demonstrably egregious.
That author is right. Thats why this season i had enough and uninstalled the game. I broke off the toxic relationship. I continue to support streamers and hope for things to get better but doubt they ever will.
Wait what, I’m confused are you saying you agree with the article or the streamer? Cause you mention author but then say you broke out of the toxic relationship and still support streamers
@@mrj1897 the streamers aren't to blame solely for the state of the game. So I still watch the content but no longer play the game. The author said if you don't like it quit playing. So I have.
I’m inclined to agree with this take considering just today I see a small destiny UA-camr make a video about the destiny Reddit solstice boycott, and then a few hours later the same youtuber made a video saying “Get on now!” Showing that Bungie accidentally made all the solstice evervearse items in the game available now, and the dude bought the new armor with silver
I've never understood when regarding armour for your character I'm one guy playing the 3 classes these should come as a bundle to use on each class may incentive me to spend more
I just think we all need to remember the phrase: Put your money where your mouth is. If you aren't enjoying the game--as much as it sucks to step away from something you've supported for so long--cut back your playtime (or stop completely, your choice). Bungie sees decreases in play time and revenue probably more seriously than almost any blogpost or rant, whether it is warranted or not. I basically haven't played at all this season, and I don't see myself playing next season if there aren't a ton of things that I think are fun to do.
Some gamers feel a surge of accomplishment when they achieve it by their own hands, buying it takes away from that achievement and knowing that it exists just makes people regret they did it in the first place
every season should come with 1000 silver then most people would spend that silver on cosmetics and spending the same amount of money but it will make bungies numbers look better to investors just by pure engagement
I bought the full season pass for this season and not because of all the mats and ornaments. I bought it for the stupid deepsight harmonizers because Bungie has to lock those behind a paywall and only lets you get about 6 per season. That’s literally only 1 gun you can turn into a red border per season. I’m gonna play Final Shape since I’ve been playing this franchise since 2014 when D1 launched. After that I think I’m done. Bungie didn’t just drop the ball, they took it and threw it at the ground as hard as fucking possible lmao ☠️
The whole argument around sun setting things because the game would become too large to download Is easily fixable master chief collection is an illustration of it you simply select what content you want to download, in the master chief collection you can download all four games or just one etc.
Clickbait title is clickbait. To be fair, calling D2 a “micro transaction hell” was as well, but it’s fine. Here’s the best ways to put it, IMO: Destiny 2 has problems, and one of the bigger ones is the player base’s mentality.
I don't mind getting nickel-and-dimed, but the content has got to be rock solid. Right now, there are so many areas of the game that not only haven't been improved/innovated on in ages, but we are seeing more and more corners being cut. Bungie is either silent or moving glacially slow. It's hard to get hyped for them to make Hand Cannons worth using in a couple months from now. Past a certain point, it is not the playerbase's concern whether or not game dev is hard. It's also not the playerbase's responsibility to account for every nut job who threatens or DDOSs, because they are degenerates and degenerates exist everywhere, unfortunately. All the playerbase can do is voice their displeasure, and if that fails, quit the game. Bungie are the ones who can actually make changes.
At the end of the article it lists D2 as one of her favorite games. Makes me wonder what version of D2 she's playing. Also I wish there was a comment section I would love to call her out on all the B.S. that was spewed in that article.
For the people absolutely malding in the comment section, Datto has a great video. Its called taking a break and touching grass. The D2 community is toxic af towards D2 devs and it shows
It’s both sides that have faults. We’ve played this game for so long we have the highest expectations from a game that has given us so much. They’ll never meet them. But we’ll keep playing because the base product is still great.
I started playing in March. As a new player I have no high expectations of the game at all and it's still failing spectacularly. This game's offensive on so many levels it's not even funny. That article calling the "free-to-play" generous is just absurd. The New Light "quest" is shorter than the prologue of most indie games. The actual expansion story missions are also offensively short, but I guess Destiny players have been conditioned to not expect anything more, cause no one's complained about that. But hey, I bought all the expansions, right? Bungie got me, cause I get why the game's so addictive and I really like the loot aspects and the gunplay. However, everything else is just horrifyingly predatory. As a new player my biggest surprise is how tolerant Destiny veterans are. I'm not gonna drop other game titles here, cause people react quite negatively to those kinds of comparisons, but there is one in particular that does everything Destiny does, but a 1000 times better. The only fault of Destiny players is how much they love the game.
i love how they mention guardian ranks being free, but dont mention it is definitely not free up past rank 6 lol
wasn’t intended and they are fixing it soon
@@v_Sov-really? But i need to finish lightfall to get past rank 6
@@v_Sov-are you talking about the crappy journalist or Bungie? Because Bungie absolutely intended for that to happen
@@thebhoy8561 i thought you were talking about season of the deep vendor rank ups, i thought you only need to do the first mission and talk to nimbus to progress the lightfall tab?
@@thebhoy8561 heard they were removing campaign limits to guardian ranks
Calling Amanda a "core character" is absolutely hilarious, she was a tertiary character and that's being generous
I'm a casual D2 player and I forgot she existed for the longest time
Amanda is 100% a main character
@@tylerbeaver1935The most I can think of Amanda doing before season of defiance is fitting Eris’ ship with the stealth Drive for Cayde and us in the Taken King expansion. She is, at most, a secondary character. The problem with Destiny storytelling is that we are introduced to so many characters who occasionally have plot relevance that we don’t really focus on a “main cast” of characters. Take Sloane for example: she was in a portion of the Red wad campaign, had nothing to do until her part in season of the arrivals, and then had nothing to do until now with season of the deep. She has major plot relevance now, but I doubt she’ll have much relevance next season because we’ll be looking into an entirely different story line. Zavala is more of a main character because despite the seasonal storytelling, he still makes some sort of appearance in seasons that don’t focus on him.
@@tylerbeaver1935 Maybe in Red War era she was but she is treated more like a side character. In fact in some MMOs there are some side characters(still very beloved characters) that have more screen time than Amanda does. I'm including the cutscenes that aren't viewable anymore because they were seasonal.
@@cynthiahembree3957 once a main character always a main character 🤷🏻♂️
I love articles like this, completely written from a single perspective seemingly not even trying to see outside that viewpoints.
Even more so when that viewpoint isn't even shared a tinsy bit by the playerbase.
@@TheTaniguccimore like y'all cant handle a differing opinion so people just don't speak up cause y'all dogpile on them as if they said a slur.
There's so much irony in this comment considering the other side of the argument is a huge circle jerk
@NuclearRizzicist mate, the journalist used gambit as an example of relevant content. They're obviously shilling for bungie
@@NuclearRizzicist So youre just gonna ignore the fact that we're here, on a youtube video about this differing opinion, where the content creator that made the video does not say a slur, discussing it in a comment section that is 99% devoid of slurs, in a comment thread 100% devoid of slurs. You're just going to ignore ALL of that, and still say we do something. *OKAY*
This article drips of "I'm having fun so nobody can criticize this thing that I enjoy because they are obviously wrong" or "I love being a Bungie shill". Maybe it's both,
When she made a big deal about Amanda's death saying how Bungie "clapped back" I almost fell out of my chair laughing so hard.
She needs to be fired for this misinformation
Hmm just like that Gladd video
I can't believe a professional wrote this lol. It's like she started playing the game 2 days ago or something. I guess we should be on our knees, begging bungie for less content and ask them to increase the prices. This... this is hilarious. I've read some wild articles from pcgames for d2 but this takes the cake.
@@anthonypotamitis7049 I can believe it. It wasn't written to be an actual opinion. It was written to drive clicks and create controversy. One of the biggest destiny streamers is talking about it. Whole point is to drive ad sales to PCgamer.
real
I like how NONE Of the downsides were mentioned, like barrier to entry for the full experience when on sale or when not on sale which is about $180.
The price increase to the seasons, the recycled content, etc. This was such a pick and choose piece.
Honestly the barrier to entry is one of my biggest gripes, I've been playing for years so for me specifically it doesn't really matter but I have a bunch of friends who ask me if they should play and I just have to say no you shouldn't because it costs a shit load to get all the content and they removed the old content that would allow you to make sense of the story.
It's missing 2 years worth of expansions and 5 years worth of seasonal story.
Just don’t buy content idk
This article was click bait. Hope articles like this where they say Destiny is “amazing” and the fans are “spoiled” keep popping up and it becomes a meme, as that seems to be the only time our generation can actually vote with their wallets, when something is a meme/viral.
It’s crazy you say this and get 80 likes. If you even dare to say something like this in the reddit you are going to receive unwarranted angry replies and negative likes. Crazy how common sense is looked down upon over there
@omars1369 yeah the Subreddit is weird, it's all echo chambery sometimes. The mods make it even worse by straight up removing comments that disagree with them. Everyone will be talking about how poor something was implemented, then you'll see a mod jump in saying how they like the feature, and the second it goes negative they delete the entire chain for being "Uncivil".
It baffles me how some people don’t understand how you can like something and still be critical of it’s flaws.
Yea apparently it’s a foreign concept to have multiple opinions on things nowadays
You certainly can, and many do. But when you have those spreading hate to others for spending money (for example, to my brother who made a video getting the sparrow, but he rarely buys silver), it muddies the water. I do think that Bungie has gone too far, but the playerbase (at least, the vocal ones) are definitely the problem too.
@@BPRFilmz damn dude that’s not cool. Sorry your brother had to deal with that. I will say that no matter the community there are always shitty people.
@@Jedijames1999 agreed, every group/fan base has them. It's easy to clump the negative players with the rest, but they always say it's a vocal minority, who ruin it for everyone else.
It’s one of the major reasons Destiny has a major community that sticks around and emphasizes the flaws of the game. We want to see the best for the game, so we try to put a lot of focus on the bad to see positive change.
As a PvP main, this article has helped me see the error in my ways. The problem isn't one new map in 4 years or SBMM in a connection based game or AE or bad sandboxes going months without significant changes or server crashes or a resurgence of cheaters or lack of crucible loot incentive or other issues that may have a negative effect on the PvP experience; it's totally just my perspective that's wrong. Thank you article for helping me realize the error in my thought patterns. >_>
What you should've gotten from that article is: You always walk away from any toxic relationship 😑
That's why stop playing D2 six months ago, best decision ever.
I don't think I've ever wanted to punch a reporter more than that one in Mass Effect after listening to this video.
SBMM is definitely the problem.
Completely ruins the experience/fun.
“Games journalists”
PvP is trash in destiny way to unbalanced and not much skill needed to play... Know how to slide, jump and use a god roll crutch gun and ur super then ur "good".
"The Traveller is just afraid of commitment!" is probably the best way to describe Destiny lore in a nutshell.
Can't even trust destiny lore anymore. Bungie is willing to retcon anything they want at any whim just to make a new dlc work for them. Nothing is canon anymore.
@@tinystar3010yep. Which is why I’m never touching a Bungie game again. I’m also never sticking with a game that fucks over their narrative team
@@tinystar3010 was taking a break from playing D2 this year only checking in on the story but after seeing the lore post lightfall I'm mentally tuned out from that as well.
The traveller kept bouncing because the witness be approaching everytime but I think the races needed to stop depending on their God all the time too.. there are stories in some religions where Gods left mankind because of their over dependence on them and their lack of will to evolve on their own
The traveler belongs to the streets!
For each positive point mentioned in this article, I can point out half a dozen problems. Granted, none of them are big and game breaking but instead small frustrations. These small problems have been piling up over the years, hundreds of them, until they've finally tipped the balance. That's the problem. We had enough. We are tired.
It's corporate double speak
So they can’t have an opinion God, you poop or so
@@anthonykarnes6804 deal with it do if you’re up with their opinion dude God
@@bullrun2772 follow your own advice. Deal with it
@bullrun2772 Same to you. You seem to be the most upset one here by far. OP gave an explanation for their opinion, you're just coming to say "SHUT UP, GOD SHUT UP OH MY GOD"
How old are you?
"I wasn't really blown away by the death of Amanda."
*She* was.
Came here to say just this 😂😂😂
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got eem
Yoooo this joke is straight fire
Once again, we wouldn't be upset if we didn't care. We know what Destiny can be.
Facts bruh
Exactly this. I honestly don't know how people can be satisfied with the state of the game knowing how much money we give to Bungie.
@@YoshiLupusok let me tell you something Bungie does get billed for having their building they are not exempt for taxes corporation like Amazon and Walmart and Microsoft and Sony get exempt cause they are big companies they have multiple locations
@@YoshiLupus stop giving money to bungie and they'll start to care. They base their decisions on numbers, if players are still paying and playing the game they won't ever give a crap about the complaints.
That’s a fine idea but it all depends on how the community handles the criticism give bungie some good feedback along with the bad
I honestly feel like if you buy an armor set you should be able to get it for the other classes for free or at a discount (for silver at least)
Oh my GOD!! You guys want things for FREE??? Bungie has to eat! They have to pay for their servers’ maintenance somehow! Poor Bungie…
@@BenjiizusTHEY NEED TO SUPPORT MARATHON
THISSSSSSS
@@Benjiizusthink of the poor little billion dollar company.
Then you would have folks who only play one character flip their lids because they have to pay full price for three Armor Sets instead of at a discount for one Armor Set.
Her point for the dungeon key was "If you can't afford the Ultimate Edition, then you can buy the dungeon key separately" Which technically is nice if you don't want other parts of the game, but that's not what we want, we want the game properly bundled up under one price tag.
Having à la carte content is nice for accessibility but not for Bungies sales practice, since they're using it to gouge rather than provide an in.
Exactly this! We can understand separation of content, but 2000 silver dungeons and now 1200 for a season (which let’s be real, the season pass in pay-to-win). It’s a mess.
bro that's what the deluxe edition is 😐
@@icicle_ai then don't buy the deluxe if you barely play LOL
Technically it is all bundled up under one price tag if we're just talking about annual pass..
@@ynProdigy Deluxe edition's of dlc's only give you the main dlc + the season pass / dungeon pass. That's it. We need a surefire way to purchase ALL past dlc's in one bundle.
She really threw in patrols as something people do all the time since it’s free. 💀
There used to be a tracker that tracked how many players engaged with each "game mode" and patrols always had way more players than any other mode lol.
She might be referencing that, but it's likely not people playing patrols. But rather you have to enter a patrol zone to do several other activities.
@@justifano7046While what you’re saying is true. There are also a ton of people that actually just do patrols. There was a few of them in my old clan. 6k hours in game, 4K in patrol. The rest of their time was sparsely dotted with PvP, raids and higher end nightfall content. The rest was vanguard strikes.
There’s a huge demographic that are similar and are usually in Facebook groups or on forums looking for clans that offer to carry or “teach” raids and end game content. Mostly posting about how they dislike using mic because they’re shy or hate toxicity.
@@DJIsher1 Its understandable if the patrol time is bumped up by free to play players, but if PAYING destiny players are spending the majority of their time in patrols thats honestly kind of sad. I cant imagine paying for a game and not actually playing it to atleast some semblance of its capacity.
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i've seen several, and i mean several destiny fanboys defending destiny as a f2p game with all kinds of different mental gymnastics and dumb arguments, but i think this is the first time anyone ever mentions patrols lmao, it was so weird.
Gambit prime was so underated, it wasn't perfect by any means, but it was way better than any of the alternatives we've had of the mode, it was more dynamic, it was more objective, it leaned more into the importance of your roll in the match rather than everyone competing amongst their teamates for the motes or the power ammo or the portal. Gambit prime did have it's flaws like how vulnerable your entire team was during the "damage phases" of the prime evil since the entire team needed to be clustered together in a small space to do any significant damage, extremely vulnerable to invasions while also limiting your damage strategy to just mid to long range weapons and supers since you couldn't leave the small area where the damage buff was given. I wish they brought back gambit prime as the definite gambit experience but rework it to remove the negative aspects of it
I am jealous of these players who could still "hate" on the game because I have reached the point of no longer caring about the game and just watch someone else play/talk about it
Same. Thought about buying lightfall, watched somebody play it, and then no longer felt the need to buy it.
Bungie started to lose me when they decided to delve into "social justice" issues, then Lono being IP banned, my final straw was the inconsistent story telling, and lack of PVP support. I don't play much PVE
I stopped playing it so much when this guy sent me hate, threatened me with an irl gun and continued to talk shit. When I said "the fucks your problem dude?" Bungie immediately banned me for a week and let him slide. So, this person who wrote that article just screams "I suck Bungie's cock. Yum yum more pls."
Havnt played in months havnt been happier lol
Same. I just get on to do my weekly Bright Dust bounties for my three characters then jump off.
The author of this article also wrote about the 10 best cloaks in Forspoken, so…😂
Tbh, it's most likely that she had to write about it to generate some clicks about a new game.
sounds like someone who is paid to write blog articles by publisher marketing divisions
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imo, what she made, was to get clicks, hate or love didn't matter, still gets add revanue... so aztra is doing her a huge favor. but yeah this is an f- tier post, designed to get you to hate click, but unable to say anything, as 99% of these types of sites dont have comments... so the views just mean "oh man look at how many people agree with me!" type of logic....
The issue is that when you buy the deluxe edition and hand over your cash, you expect to have access to the entire content in the game, no questions asked. Instead, the deluxe edition does not cover the event pass, the ornaments, or the new content added to the eververse store. If not everything is included in the deluxe edition, why even call it a deluxe edition in the first place? Imagine if any other game tried doing this, selling you a deluxe edition and then paywalling further content just so that you have to fork out more.
Literally why I say the players look for issues to fit their agenda.
Like, what the fuck are you on about? The Deluxe edition gives you access to everything. It's all the content that will be released throughout the year.
What you want is to have access to the cosmetics that are in the store. Why should you? They're not a part of the story or gameplay, they're just cosmetics.
You want the event cards. Seriously? First of all, anyone who buys them is just throwing money out of the window. The emotes and other crao they five you are so not worth it, especially qith how vad D2 events are. Furthermore, the events are free and annual. They're not tied to the story ir anything else.
its one of the reasons i havent bought a delux ed in a bit , hell the last expansion i bought on a SALE cuz Bungo just doesnt value my purchase and the sale prices is what i feel its worth at this point with all the microtransaction thrown around
„If we go to my vault right now you will see very similar gunmodels for a lot of things“
-Aztecross, having 19 Randy’s Throwingknife in his vault
😂😂😂
Also, how many other Scout Rifles share the same model as Randy’s Throwing Knife?
@@heyblaiseOnly 1. Niflheim Frost.
it is funny, but the argument he's making is the sheer amount of reskin and reissue weapons that are in game right now. Like all the neomuna guns are just shadowkeep guns minus beads and feathers. Season of Defiance guns are exactly the Season of the Lost guns (but with unpaintable crystal), Season of the Deep guns are Season of Drifter guns (but taken, which is not even a new shader, it's been in the game, probably needed some tuning). Current Solstice event's "First ever Strand rocket launcher" is gambit's Bad Omens reskin (Forsaken release). As the next season and the one after that roll around, I am expecting two more series of reskinned guns, I am sure they'll meet my expectations. Let's say, if the next season involves Savathun, they're gonna be Shadowkeep guns from Altars of Sorrow, but recolored to look like Lucent Hive instead of Scarlet Brood. This is a filler year, they did not plan it that much in advance, except for exotics the last time we had a completely new weapon design was Season of Seraph. And that's what they want $100 for, a year of filler content, pulled from both TWQ and Final Shape. And we're the problem at the end of the day.
This is also a problem of developers laziness.
Seriously - how long ago did we get a legendary weapon outside of raids/dungeons that wasn't a reskin of the old one?
It seems that since the arrival season - and even then only the bow seemed to be new - the rest of the weapons were still the same reskin.
From time to time they either tritely repaint the weapon model and give it a different archetype/type of damage, or sculpt a cadaver from several parts of an old weapon.
With the weapons of the last raid "Roots of Nightmares" this is especially noticeable - they took ordinary legendaries, slapped something resembling coral on them, and now - a new weapon!
Yes, even a new sniper rifle from rank PVP - this model is molded from the blue sniper AAHEN-LR2 and the sight from the beloved with a minimal change in the look of the magazine. Oh, well, they also painted it in a trendy color, they worked very hard, apparently.
All I'm saying is if this keeps up, it will be real interesting to see the player base numbers after final shape.
We heard this story before with Witchqueen and there were record number of players on launch day
@@starfoxassualtWitch Queen was cool though. Final shape is supposed to be the end of a saga.
They have to go all out on final shape if it end up as Lightfall the backlash will be far too great
It’ll peak at Week 1, and plummet to an all-time low after Week 4 🤣🤣
Bungie management and top devs dont Care about destiny at all anymore!
Now its a money maker Machine!
Finally when Bungie secured themselves with couple new games!
This time its much different than pre-forsaken! Because back then Destiny2 was their Only Game!
They couldn't let it die so they made forsaken!
Now if it dies they are Fine with it!
My biggest gripe has, and always will be, the sense of a lack of cohesion for casual or new players. The storyline feels like a side thought unless you've either A) played the game since launch or B) watched every Byf video. The lack of story mission progression leading players from one expansion to the next makes it feel muddy. Bungie only muddied the waters further by sunsetting the vanilla campaign.
I think Bungie would do good to take a small page from the MMO side of the fence and tie everything down to a main character narrative (think the MSQ from FF14, for example). New Lights are given a goal, and during acheiving that goal they get to discover all the other stuff D2 has to offer on the side.
I have tried SO many times to recruit my friends into Destiny and Destiny 2 and having to explain to a new player how things do work and why they work that way, how they worked before and how they changed and why they changed.. even the main story line of Omnigul has been altered so many times to where it literally doesn't even make sense anymore.. they even changed her name half way through so my friends are like 'who we after now?.. and why?'.. you're absolutely correct.. indeed the MAIN story is nothing more than an afterthought to Bungie. Legit mess that they don't even bother cleaning up
I downloaded D2 in 2020, got dropped into the Red War story and accidentally came out of it then couldn't figure out what to do. I did some public events in the EDZ, watched other players transmat away and had no idea what was going on so I gave up on it.
A couple of years later I heard some friends talking about Destiny and I started playing again, got dropped straight into Dares of Eternity, each round took 45+ minutes because we were new lights with tough bosses, and up in orbit I looked at the maps with no clue what to do. Red War had gone and the game didn't put me into the New Lights story. My friends gave me advice and I went to a few places and farmed blue items to get my light level up.
One day I went to the Cosmodrome, realising I'd never been there, and it went to a cut scene where my ghost was acting like we'd just met. I was in the New Lights story, getting a tutorial and basic gear, being told backstory... I'd been playing for weeks by this time.
A year and a half later and I still play regularly, but if my friends hadn't explained the game, if I hadn't watched hours of Byf, if I'd just relied on the game itself, I'd have given up after a couple of days.
@@pumellhorneI feel ya. That Dares of Eternity issue was brutal. The only reason I knew about it was I was trying to bring a friend into the game and I asked where he was in the New Light quest, and he mentioned something about a talking horse. That's when I knew, he was fucked.
But I got into an argument a couple of days ago about the game with a Bungie fanboy, and I told them to play the new light mission again if they hadn't because it is unpolished, boring, and confusing and their response was "It being unpolished is just your opinion. And it wasn't confusing for me." Like of course it wasn't confusing for you, you know how all the systems in the game work. But for a brand new player, there is basically no direction on what to do.
This article was gaslighting us into thinking we are the bad guys here.
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It’s like if datto wrote it
It happened to us who told toxic fans everyday the game going to creed era but we always get down voted specially on reddit
@@JPOG7TV At least Datto is self aware about it, this seems so pretentious.
"Destiny 2’s free-to-play content includes a generous selection of activities - you can play as all three classes, and there’s a helpful, overhauled version..."
This sounds like a marketing flyer, not like a journalistic piece.
This entire article is the equivalent of the “leave the multi billion dollar company alone…” meme god damn
spot on. sychophants wet dream- would they rather we stop complaining and stop playing? thats the next step
Poor small indie company Bungie, People stomp so Hard on them literally for no reason s/
@@vladislavivanov2334yeah dude thanks for the /s. Because we are too dumb to figure out it was a joke.
@@paperclip6377 you would be suprised how many people in The Internet can't figure out sarcasm without that
@@vladislavivanov2334 it just ruins the joke bro. Also most aren't dumb enough to need the /s
Pinnacles should've been made to be exotics, not removed. Hell, Not Forgotten could've just been the catalyst for Luna's Howl that you could toggle on/off (ranged vs cqb).
Yep, and make Not Forgotten an ornament for Luna's Howl.
Something I've always thought about is that if size issues from old raids/content is a issue then why not make that content optional to download. That way only people that want to play that specific content have to deal with the size issues while everyone else doesn't have to care. It would be a win/win for literally everyone. I personally would 100% download all old content for D2 and want to play it all again. It would be a fun experience.
I'm guessing there must be something keeping them from doing this on the developer side, if it was possible they could have avoided all the shit they got for it
That would be if it was a size issue for the player not the developer. It's a size issue for the game it's self. They would still have to keep that on their servers and with in the game even if one person was playing it.
when the gaming engine is old and you have to apply all changes manually, it makes maintaing harder and harder, let's say in wrath of the machine we have 100 gears and 3 subclass, but now we have 5 subclass and 300 gear, and those old subclasses also changed, so developers have to manually set these items and abilities manually to work with the old part of the game.
Destiny 2 was nt about to live this long, forsaken or shadowkeep could be the beginning of destiny 3 with new engine . but they decided to do the easy job, get your money , give you nothing.
They made all that content free. So much free content that sales for the non free content wasn't to their liking. They will never fully release all that content. It's not in their best interest.
@@naryhd No, that's not how that works at all.
oh man i completely had no idea i was the problem when all i want to do is play the game and wish all the cool stuff was in the game not in eververse
Honestly cross its hilarious that I've stopped playing D2 for the most part but the ONLY reason I'm even still aware of what goes on in the game is because I just watch your videos
I dropped the game around October last year and literally only know what’s going on because of cross because I genuinely like his content generally speaking
Same. Haven't played in months, but cross is just too entertaining.
Same. I knew I was going to once Diablo dropped. It helped break the hold Destiny had. Granted any game would have at that point. I was ready.
"How to explain that you're a new light whit out saying you're a new light" The article.
Genuine new lights wouldn't defend destiny, the game gives you very little direction or reason to care about anything that almost no one new can get into it. Let alone understand what's going on in the story.
this article have to be written by a bungie bootlicker or paid to write
because not in n+1 years of d2 exist you can be so blind on how bungie shitting on its players
@@Goober2289 If I were a New Light starting after either Witch Queen or Lightfall, I wouldn't want to stick around.
This feels like when I had to write an essay for my PR class by defending a scandal…💀
A very good skill to have
god i could listen to aztecross talk about stuff like this forever.
he provides "evidence" of his points, fairly is trying to understand more than just his own view, and isn't wanting to send hate to people who may come off as whack, incorrect, or just not including information because it doesn't fit their narrative.
props and love.
I agree! ☝🏽
If there was ever a take that deserved to be completely shat on, this is it.
This is so Low Sodium Destiny that we jumped PH levels to the other side
Definitely, it's like they just read some headlines and decided to argue them with absolutely no idea about the context
Amanda wasn't a core character. They made her seem like one, but her death means nothing to the game...
We get to listen to Crow be mopey in the Helm some more. Apparently the writing team thinks this is what players want, therapy sessions.
It really sucks though. She’s been with us for so long and they only give her two seconds of backstory just to get sympathy points for when she died.
@@eye-chan1711 She sold ships and sparrows...Tess does it better. Her backstory was transparently written to kill her off and create drama, only this time, unlike Mara, or Cayde...nobody cares because she's not a core character.
I've played since early D1, and the only reason I still play is to see where the story goes and to play with my clan. Deep will be the first season where I may not finish the season pass.
You and me both man. I got to like level 60 and crafted all the seasonal weapons in that first week or 2 before Diablo launched because I grinded hard knowing I was going on a Destiny Hiatus because at my core I'm a Diablo player. But I'm barely at level 70ish and have 0 desire to play. I logged in did that shite exotic quest and got the site exotic scout. That's about it.
Cheri left out the constant server issues. Maybe she has a blast getting constantly booted back to the main screen in the middle of end game content.
It's like Russian roulette, but fun for the whole family.
Just this morning I was doing ghost of the deep and got booted at thw last boss when the boss was almost dead. I logged off and played a different game.
@Muncho_117 same thing happened to me...almost defeated her solo flawless. Will try again when I get over the trauma lol
Does she even play?
You're right, I did forget this. This is genuinely an infuriating point about d2.
1:23 The system itself is free but if you do want to get that level up you need to buy the latest DLC and its current season to unlock some achievements, such as restart your level with the seasonal vendor, as an example. I know D2 players know this, just wanted to bring this to the table
They also mentioned the guardian ranks being free. Yet completely ignored the fact that to continue to rank 7 you need to complete the lightfall campaign. So it's free up to a point. At which point players are forced to pay.
@@RJLiamsand to get to rank 9 you need the newest dungeon key
@@RJLiamsit’s not even free for rank 5. I still need 2 war table engrams to be rank 6 and that requires to buy season pass
"Waah the game is free, why you mad about free game" No. No, It's not. I'm sick of these people.
@@PanoptesDreams because it advertises itself as a free game not a free to try game…
I honestly wouldn't mind if after the final shape drop and we conclude the story they gave us the option to download all of the sunset content and made the game 500 GB in order to relive the nostalgia and the memories I had by this game over the past 10 years And I'm sure others wouldn't have a problem doing it either
you know whats crazy it doesnt have to to be 500 gb all they old things like stories put it in and the seasonal things players loved not the trash ones
Keep dreaming
@@grimaximus345 I know right there ain't no way bungie would do something for the veterans like that it's all about the casuals and free to play players
This would be so satisfying if it EVER comes around. I'm not optimistic though
how big was d2 before they vaulted the content anyway? i got into the game pretty late so i don't really remember, all i know is that currently destiny 2 has crossed the 3-digit-mark
10:12 to be fair, the Traveler only leaves civilizations because of the Witness. With the knowledge we gained from that cutscene, it’s known that if no one tries to merge the Traveler with the Veil, the Traveler will stay forever.
But it made an exception for Humanity right before Lightfall.
Or did it? Think about it: Savathuns Worm said that she (inadvertedly) saved Humanity during the Collapse. We do know she killed Nezarek and hid the Veil. So it stands to reason that her hiding the Veil made the Traveler stay because, as you said, it flees when the Witness attempts to link the two.
@@elseggs6504I mean it was going to flee and then came back. That was the final season prior to Lightfall/beginning of Lightfall. The traveller left our atmosphere to leave because the witness was closing in, then decided to stay and fight with us.
@yeet_master_5k653 I don't think it was. Remember the warsats were all pointing at the traveler, and the traveler was sitting right above the city. The collateral would have destroyed the city and the traveler at the same time, so it jumped to orbit. Traveler never intended to leave, it was jumping on the grenade.
@@iponce2 wasnt the warsats only firing because he was leaving
@phillipguerrero6165 No, Eramis had hijacked the Warsat network and was turning them on the traveler deliberately to destroy it. This is probably why it was moving. Had they fired, the last city would have still been relatively safe from the collateral
Something that's happened recently, despite it being apples to oranges, is the story around Baldur's Gate 3 that's popping off right now. The general idea is that other devs are trying to temper the consumers' expectations around it. The general vibe that I get is that game devs are getting complacent/lazy. Definitely worth a look.
Same thing is happening with Bungie. They are pumping out the similar seasonal content with mediocre/badly paced writing. I've not played the game since Diablo 4 came out because of it. They just don't want to *overdeliver*.
This article feels out of touch, trying to hide behind a hot take with some good points to get by. Like yeah: the player base is insufferable at times, but they didn't magically get that way. Don't try to give Bungie an out for becoming complacent.
Minimal effort/ maximum profit. Why do you think they push eververse so much? It’s far easier to reskin and add a new paint job than it is to program and entirely new AI or environments.
I absolutely understand it from a business perspective: why “Overdeliver” when let’s say 10k players are willing to dump 20 bucks or more a season on a damn cosmetic ? On recycled mechanics and weapons ?
It IS the player base, but the player base can also help fix it.
Bungie aren't getting lazy. They did this on purpose. They chose a minimum viable content model, sacrificing quality in the name of speed and consistency.
The only thing I've heard about BG3 lately is the bear sex scene.
@@feathersigil2048 yeah but why? BECAUSE PLAYERS ARE GOBBLING IT UP.
If you could cook a 50$ steak, sell it for 70$ or a 5$ steak sandwhich and sell it for 70$ why would you ever make the 50$ steak to sell???
here is a good example. right now you can get 5 seasons for 55$. the community wants bungie to sell a 1200 silver bundle just so its "easy" to purchase the season. Thats 60$ for 5 seasons in stead of 55$.
The community is BEGGING them to take there money, even aztecross pushed this 1200 silver in his viral video.
the player base has done this to themselves.
Lazy people don’t care about the “why?”. It takes effort, so they take the convenient route and don’t even bother. That’s like being a detective and completing ignoring the motive of a crime you’re investigating.
I like the witnesses backstory because to me it really showed that the light and dark are not inherently good or evil, albeit still useable on your own, but that the witness (and maybe even the traveller at this point) is just using the dark (or light) like we do, just holding ultimate mastery over the power that comes with it
The problem is, this isn't what was set up all these years, for example the dredgen Yor character is described as someone who "fell to the darkness." The wording seems to imply that the dark is bad since its something someone can fall to.
True, but we only really knew so much about the darkness back then, out preception of the darkness has changed drastically.
@@fancyman4563 I mean that's how story progression works, you act like guardians knew everything about the darkness, when they didn't even know everything about the light
It takes two to tango, as they say. I think both Bungie and the community have gotten us to this point.
How did the community got us to this point?
This right here I can't agree with more. As bad and as toxic as the playerbase can be and some of it is, I hate the fact that there a so many players who refuse to see what bungie has done wrong and just attack other players as the problem
The players react to what bungie does. Bungie is the cause, player attitude is the effect.
His right destiny community not having backbone and not standing up for themselves made bungie bold in there greed and lazy writing
@funnystranger3380 the one thing I can say is the enabling that some player allow. Bungie rehashes content that they sunsetted and people act like it's the second coming of Jesus and if you dare criticize it you're a whiney baby despite the fact most of us paid $100+ for said content. It's upsetting to see
I tried playing destiny with some friends who never heard of the game before, and it went disastrous, they had no clue what was going, what the stakes were, why they should do what and so on. Most of them never picked it up again and one of m even stopped halfway through a strike because the warlock jump was never explained and they couldn’t clear a jumping puzzle. I don’t think its their fault for not liking that experience
Fair enough, however me and a couple online friends went and did something similar with the opposite conclusion as we now have a 6 person team of destiny 2 addicts. Granted these friends had played MMOs and shooters and souls games and had been gaming for awhile. Taking brand new gamers into games that don’t explain much as their first game means they’re probably not gonna engage as much. As to the ‘why are we doing x?’ Question, that got answered pretty quickly based on the intro dialogue to whatever strike we were doing or with a simple answer stating that X happened with Y event and we can replay X. They understood what live service games tend to do (see their experiences with Diablo where they have to delete and create a brand new character every season) and adjusted fairly quickly often comparing destiny to a first person MMO. They had fun with the game and still play to this day, and when monetization and ad campaigns are brought up as complaints their immediate comparison is Diablo Immortal.
@@urticantspoon9960No they dont. Nobody starting at this point will know what the fuck a warmind is. I still have New Lights confuse Fallen and Hive with one another.
@@urticantspoon9960 my friends didn’t have those experiences and when you need someone else to explain the game for you the game isn’t doing a great job itself
I can’t imagine how awful the experience for new players is right now.
I’ve played D2 the whole life cycle so far basically nonstop (except for when my baby was born), and the new light experience is absolute trash. I’ve remade characters (pre Beyond Light) and it’s so terrible and has never gotten better only worse. Having no campaigns, no explanation, and then locking important cutscenes and other major expansion details and plot points behind a seasonal pay wall with no yearly recap is awful. If they’re gonna do what they’ve done and split major expansion story into seasons, actual good recaps need to happen to explain the seasonal stories and what we’ve discovered for people who don’t play seasonal content and for those who have taken breaks.
I wish they would make an exotic version of some of the peak pinnacle weapons. I’d gladly run legendary weapons in other slots for an exotic version of mountaintop or recluse!
Black armory with its forges was also quite good from the Forsaken year.
Now you go to the relic to craft a weapon, oh woops you can't craft this weapon cause you don't own witch queen
Yea except for the shitstorm that was unlocking forges, and the light level entry shitstorm, and niobe labs, and rare bounties, mountaintop recluse. Aside from all that it was good yes
This dude is trolling, right?
@@BcDyxaLKgoNdgU You just listed all the good things. How can you call Niobe Labs bad??? wtf
@@kilianbalter you must not have been around when it first launched because they fucked up the launch of the niobe labs puzzle HARD
This article reads as if a Bungie employee is angry at us and trying to say you should be grateful of all these things…completely ignoring all the real problems in this game that need to be improved on. If there are a ton of issues that affect player enjoyment and is really getting to the community, not fixing it will make it worse. Saying ignore that and focus on the positives and be grateful…that’s how it gets worse.
For me it's either the witness origin needed to the thing we waited on but we got the origin of the traveler and veil, or the traveler and veil origins needed to wait while we got the origin of the witness. Or one was in the expansion and the other came in season. It might have prompted greater creativity if they at least were given to us separately rather than together, especially when we consider that at least one of them should have been revealed in expansion but separate from seasonal content. I think the witness origin should have been withheld to seasonal content, but lightfall only revealed the origin of the traveler and veil.
I really wish they at least kept the red war for new lights. As someone who started destiny with d2, I thought it was great. I remember picking my first exotic at Sloane after earning it. Now the current new light experience? ALL of my friends that I recommended d2 to have little to no idea wtf to do in the game, let alone what's going on or happened in the story. Important characters? I've tried it and even I got confused sometimes and it feels so ducktaped together.
The biggest thing I'd like to point out is it basically says here's some of the end game, but it doesn't establish the endgame because there's no pregame/storygame at all.
Yep, 2 years of expansions and years of seasonal story content being removed makes it so difficult for anyone new to care even slightly for whats happening
I think it's a mix of both. Bungie needs to listen to the dedicated fans more(casual and veteran) and the community as a whole needs to quit complaining 24/7 and not be as toxic. Both sides are to blame for different reasons.
Its mainly the players, for years now I've heard them complain about special weapons and how strong they are, and then every pvp match they play a special weapon is glued into their hands. They complain about stuff getting nerfed, when everyone in the game is running 1 weapon, bungie has the impossible job of pleasing the destiny community.
@LuciferMoringstar999 i think a big problem is bungie listening to the extremely casucal players which are the main ones who overally complain aside from a few streamers. They should be making the game for the dedicated fans who choose to stay rather than the fans who get on for an hour 2x a week. Bungie needs to step up their game and the fans need to quit complaining 24/7
Edit: what i mean by extremely casual os people who only play for like an hour a week or something.
@@cerebralassassin2185 if you think the new light experience is a good introduction into d2, the game will never grow. casuals have the right to complain
@@mattux9705casuals can complain about casual modes. It’s when they complain about something in pvp where everything gets fucked, all because thwy cant aim
@cerebralassassin2185 you are the exact type of player they should NEVER listen to. Jesus, you gatekeeping weirdos give this community such a bad reputation. Bungie should not cater to people who play this game like it's a second job. That would kill their player base, anyways.
If Bungie doesn’t throw out their over delivery mindset for The Final Shape Destiny is probably screwed. It just goes to show how corporate Bungie has become, and I hope that the greed of the people in charge doesn’t get too bad and ruin the game.
I always love when people talk about what the size of the game would be without sunsetting or removal of seasonal content as if it justifies anything. I don't give a fuck what size the game will be if I paid for it. It better still be around in some way
"what size" is completely dependent on Bungie's ability to compress the game too, its not a good excuse to say it would be a high number to begin with. Content gets added to live service games all the time, and yet they remain a pretty reasonable size.
Or, possible hot take, it’s both. Bungie and it’s fans are in a perpetual “holier than thou” battle and it’s finally hit a new peak.
Based but i do agree bungie needs to step up their game more
@@cerebralassassin2185community also needs to tone down the vitriol tho. 1 kg of feathers vs. 1 kg of steel.
@cerebralassassin2185 Based? What a joke, this is the most bland, cop out, middle of the road take imaginable.
@@nicholaspaat7302 While the community is more toxic, it's only due to Bungie's latest failings. If things were going good, you'd see less people complain or people letting minor things slide. But things aren't going great and so the community is looking for negative things to (rightfully) call out and some take it a bit too far.
@@archon9383the irony of this comment is palpable
Let's be honest, if it wasn't for Myelin, Byf and the other amazing lore channels, very few new players would stick around for the story and lore.
Destiny's long and incredible history has long been lost. Even Cayde, who's statuette we see at the Tower, is a completely unknown figure for new lights.
a meme me and a friend of mine like to bring up in raids:
"Who is that cayde guy and why does his gun suck so much?"
When a company tries to nickel and dime their consumers instead of actually improving the product you know the product is circling around the drain.
We owe activision an apology fr
@@Lynxx52 honestly I wish bungie could have actually kept their promises with Activision but they couldn’t. Imagine if there was a new destiny release every 1-2 years we could all go back to completely different eras of destiny at any time. Bungie would have been more willing to take risks as well knowing they could just change it all in the next game. Imagine there was no sun setting of content just 5 different versions of destiny we could play at any time.
Cue the clip of Jesse screaming from breaking bad.
@@Lynxx52 Yeah honestly we do. Bungie makes me so mad. I'm just waiting for some angry destiny player to make their own destiny.
The game has improved immensely over the last year or so. So many things have been added or tweaked for the better, you're just focusing on the negative.
Amanda was a major character? She wasn't apart of the damn story since Red War and even then, she was only in a brief cutscene. The only feeling i got was dread because I knew that Crow was gonna cry about it and go back to square one again
Lmao
Common Crow L.
Amanda had some appearances here and there in the various seasons, notably Season of the Chosen, but yeah even with those appearances she was still a side character and not an especially interesting one either.
i got 5 minutes into the article read. The issue is that we are expected to pay upwards of $120 a year to get all content for the year. THEN they charge for the event cards, whatever micro dlc they decide to come out with, and THEN they add hundreds upon hundreds of dollars worth of cosmetics, and we still haven't had a new pvp map in what, 6 years? And THEN the content we are paying for is reskinned half the time. and all of this shit happens every single year. So what happens is a feedback loop. "it's more expensive to buy all the content I want to play than it is to buy the deluxe edition, but now i'm forced to play content I don't want to play because I paid for it because it was cheaper". so now you've got a playerbase who has spent upwards of a thousand dollars, assuming they only bought the required content, no silver bought, who is now more monetarily invested into a game than they spend on rent every month, who see the game falling apart, growing stale, etc. Bungie has 42 million registered users, and if we assume that just 1 million of those players have bought every single content expansion, bungie has made upwards of a billion dollars, just in content sales, on mostly reskinned content. And we know that number is so much higher.
Even though I wasn't huge on gambit, I still enjoyed Gambit Prime cause it was something fresh and new... I miss that feeling of getting something new and exciting to do.
Well said, I even did grind for the title ... the Reckoner? (Don't remember the english name correctly, it's "Unruhestifter" in German)
Was gambit prime exciting to you and new raids/dungeons/exotic quests/missions/etc that we get on a regular basis not exciting I don’t get it
I just miss gambit prime
@@watson498 exotic quests and missions are nothing but new. Nowadays they all just reuse assets and locations outside of the major expansion. Raids and dungeons are still exciting but that's pretty much it. I don't get excited for seasonal activity number 17. It's just me personally though... You can enjoy and like the content obviously who am I to tell you how to feel about it.
@watson498 I do enjoy new raids/dungeons/exotic quests/missions/etc a lot pretty sure more than gambit prime.
The grind for the title I did enjoy very much! Very various objectives, longterm engagement and you did contribute to your team while doing it.
The complete opposite of what bounties or seasonal challenges are.
I mean 100 kills with auto/scout/HC each made me play plenty of games only using primaries. It sucked for me and for my teammates. (Sorry for the off topic rant)
Fun fact: The Sepik's boss fight room and the GoA Ogre room are the same. Do with that what you will.
I will double check in-game but, if true, it is a good example of re-used asset done right as I didn't notice until you mentioned it.
Tbf they made the arena bigger with those doors you can open. Also isn't there some Hive shit on the floor and walls?
This article has solidified my decision to buy the Tennocon pack.
Based
This article was written by someone who has never played the game and only googled it. You only get a little taste of each system you don't get them for free. Season passes expansions and dungeons all need to purchased.
Article sponsored by Bungie's PR team😂
Yeah this article felt….a little slanted..
Yea they got a hefty bag for this rose tinted assessment of D2
Oh yeah, this article definitely wasn’t written with money in mind *wink* *wink*
Articles like these are why I'm starting to block gaming "Journalisim" sites. I give them a chance, but some inch their way closer to never being seen by me again and joining Kotaku in my personal void.
I love this game, but I am seeing a point where things need to change. Depending on what happens after Final Shape I might do what I did when Marvel completed their Avengers movie series. I’ll stop playing as much and only jump on every so often but I won’t invest as much time. Also I agree that Forsaken was the benchmark for content. I came back to it like 6 months after forsaken dropped because I had just gotten into the military. I fell in love with the game then. I hope Bungie sees what they need to fix. Also I still love Gambit and wish they would just add the old maps back. When they took away Prime I was so sad.
Rahrah Brother
I think this article missed the mark by a longshot, yes the community isn't always great, yes bungie has made a decent handful of improvements to the game when compared to previous years, but there are still many problems, especially with the narrative lately, the author doesn't seem to fully understand the state of the game, if they did they would know how funny it is to call guardian ranks free.
There should be more sources of pinnacle drops, and there should be more guaranteed drop sources in general like heroic public events have gotten me nothing but glimmer too many times now
Heroic public events should guaranteed drop a legendary world pool item. Like there is literally no reason to be stingy with the world pool items, bungie is just being too lazy to actually go in and make casual pve content worth it
@@zewps9502if it was up to people like you, we’d still be getting raid loot for EXISTING in a clan that did a raid. If you want to play casually then go ahead but don’t expect loot to be showered from the heavens by doing a public event and patrol
@@mutantraze3681 you don't know me if that's what you think bro I find passive rewards stupid and I especially hate when games make it so that if you aren't in a clan then you're actively nerfing yourself because it ruins solo players experience (see: my hatred for Ants: Underground Kingdom)
This has that principle Skinner "am I out of touch" meme written ALL over it 😂
I remember watching this on stream, everyone in chat was going crazy like, “this person doesn’t play destiny wtf!!!”
Comparing the present to the past and criticizing poor moves are how innovation occurs. Companies are becoming creatively bankrupt because many consumers are easily entertained so now everyone has to be easily entertained or we're a monster. We should not feel bad for questioning why things are so bad now when they have been great so many times
The article is just so true and insightful. We should be so grateful as to have lost sectors, patrols, and PUBLIC EVENTS as free content.
Sweet worm gods yeah the community sucks, but like all of them for games like this are. Those people are terrible scum but holy shit its not a Destiny 2 specific problem.
You can’t blame the community for lightfall, sunsetting, content vaulting, manipulative pricing of silver, server instability, lack of free PvE content, or the neglect towards PvP content. All of that is on Bungie, and this is a game almost six years in the making and almost 9 years as a series.
I for one am grateful to bungie for the gift of 100 glimmer when I finish a lost sector, granted my glimmer is already full but nonetheless I ask for nothing more.
i dont want to give Bungie ideas... but a Hyper advanced SIVA (the neomuna kind) season that gives us access to a Forge mode (narratively) would be the answer to the lack of PvP and gambit content. We could build whole maps and modes with that nanotech and build upon the parts of the game that aren't being updated every season. That is the only way we can fix things ourselves
Bringing back the raids that they took out is not a bad thing, specially if the are adjusted for current Destiny and they are not charged for. It was a mistake to take them out, it is, however, not a mistake to bring them back, specially if it is within the year and not a an expansion.
I actually have multiple friends asking why its only d1 things coming back for pve, eventually d2 stuff will ha e to comeback so why does it matter when it starts.
Yeah, this same news article RECOMENDED Lightfall despite people complaining about the sh*tty story. They're in the bungie's payroll.
I don't understand why they have the mindset of always under-deliver they could have the mindset of always underestimate what they can make and then try to over deliver that would be so much better.
To be fair, and to play devil's advocate just a tiny bit, that's not their mindset. Their mindset is to deliver at a very consistent level in terms of overall content and only move that needle a tiny bit over time (compare Season of the Undying to Season of Hunt and then again to Season of the Risen and Season of Defiance, you'll see over time that there is objectively more content even if I'd argue that sometimes the quality isn't quite there). This is, by their own admission, to stop people from getting unrealistic expectations, or setting themselves up for failure by making something insane for one season/DLC and then not having the resources or time to repeat that, thus causing a really inconsistent level of content/quality. Regardless of what you or I might think of the quality of seasons, it's really hard to make an argument against their consistency. Whether that means they're consistenly good or bad is absolutely up to discussion and I wouldn't really blame you for thinking either way, but I think that consistency is something we can all agree on even if we disagree on whether or not it's a good thing.
Because that mindest is Easy,cheap,Lazy!
their Top devs and Managers are lazy ass and they like to just Copy paste!
They just Reskin/recycle shit and Overhype that shit with some Paid ornaments and they Lie Alot!
They prefer to Spend our money to make other games to secure themselves from destiny! If someday destiny died from their Lazy greedy ass,then they can have couple money maker games!
Thats the strategy
@@JJroks543 Seems like LF was purposefully bad to reset player expectations after WQ.
I feel like an article like this needs to be written, but more thoughtful than whatever that was lol, cause at this point it feels like the community is grasping at stuff just to be upset at besides the actual painpoints
its not grasping there are pain points tell me why i should have to pay more money for a dungeon that should have been in the content and tell me why all the old destiny 1 seasons gave out super super free content there making more money now and have more players why is the prices going up and the amount of content there making going down? why are they making me pay just for it to go away after a year?
@kingsoflucis1939 All the stuff we're upset at like monetization, for example, it is very important and necessary that we are so vocal about our displeasure. However, I do feel like some people are just complaining and shitting on Bungie just to do so and aren't necessarily trying to help better the game as a whole.
@@undeadmockingjay2000yeah there are a lot of people who complain about random stuff that doesn't make sense. But problem is even with the main pain points there's not much that can be done about it other than complaining. Its certainly a viscous cycle. I've stopped playing for the time being but I know that's not gonna do much and I'll probably get back to playing the game at a later date. Though I won't be buying the expansion unless it's good enough that it has actually improved the game and they start delivering again. Only thing I can think of to contribute.
This right here is what I've telling my "friends" for years. Yet they still hate buy the game because they know their hate will be justified. And in the few instances where the game goes in the right direction they're _still_ angry because their expectations were subverted. I want to feel bad for the devs having to deal with bigots and armchair specialists who think they know best. But at the same time, as king said, they can wipe their tears with all the money from the absurd monetization.
As with many things in life, I think the answer is somewhere in the middle. We have several well documented concerns about Bungie and the state of their game (your recent video in particular), but there are also segments of the community that will never be satisfied or can be downright toxic. The world isn't on fire and the overall package is still excellent. However, it has lots of places for improvement (e.g. narrative in Lightfall, monetization, teetering on the edge of Pay to Win, etc.).
Don't forget the extremely high price tag to even get into the game if you want to be able to keep up. Really, I think only the most recent content should be charged and everything else become free, I.E. Witch Queen and Lightfall costs money and everything else is free, including the older dungeons.
@@urazz7739 Definitely agree with you. It seems this turned into a money grab recently, instead of a passion project, which is very disappointing.
opened the game for the first time in 2 weeks and first thing i see is "contacting destiny 2 servers" love to see it
6:50 we don’t even have ritual weapons for each playlist anymore now there is a singular ritual weapon for all three playlist. Wish we could have a unique one for all three again.
I like how it says guardian ranks are free, even tho I was able to trio 2 raids and complete every gm last season but I was stuck at level 7 because I didn’t have the witch queen dungeon key 😂
I thought the ranks were really cool, I saw that I was on rank 7 and super hyped to go higher...and then I saw that if I want to do that I have to spend money. Which given the games lackluster content, I don't really wanna give them more money
I can step away anytime I want.
Wait the solstice is tomorrow?
Not everything that is sold for silver will be available for bright dust. The author outright lied there. It has never been this way. There are a bunch of things that are for bright dust, and I'm glad it's an option, but acting like all you have to do is wait for the silver stuff to be sold as bright dust is a lie. No amount of waiting will see the god of war, horizon, ghost of tsushima, or assassin's creed sets being sold for bright dust. There are many sparrows, ghosts, ships, etc. that were never sold for bright dust either, and never will be. I argue with people all the time about this on reddit because they read articles like this and think that everything will just magically be sold for bright dust one day.
bruh i feel like this article is gonna reinforce the idea in bungie's head that they can get greedier and greedier and the community is ok with it
Something I do agree with is...if you aren't having fun with the game, just stop playing. It's literally that simple. It's okay to get 200+ hours out of a game and then moving on. Maybe check back in next season or expansion. There are so many amazing games out there. It makes no sense to force something you aren't enjoying, instead of going and playing things like divinity 2, Subnautica, Ori and the blind forest, god of war, etc
Every game you just listed isn't competitive or actually multiplayer.. also speaking out about how bs the monetization systems are is beneficial to the consumer aka you
I remember when my Overwatch burnout kicked in (I played a lot of OW1/2 for like 4 years) I had to force myself to find different games to play, instead of Overwatch.
It's very easy to realize you should play a different game, but it's hard to actually do it when you cross a certain threshold of playtime (for some people, at the least).
@@jay-ti4btI mean neither is Destiny competitive. It's just a multiplayer shooter with some pvp that's dead.
@@VonSnuggles1412 it's competitive
@@Jeshua_Newborn I mean 45k players last I looked, and your not hurting my feelings I didn't make destiny, but I mean it's Def competitive my friend not only pvp but pve
15:34 As someone who plays FF14 religiously, I can confidently say that FF14 is not 100+ GBs. it's getting there, but it's more like 80+ right now on PC. On PS5, as of the latest patch which released yesterday, the game is actual only 52 GB, which is almost half of Destiny 2's storage. size.
So not only does FF14 have more content cause it doesn't remove things and it still a decent file size, but it's also properly optimized for the PS5 and therefore takes advantage of the SSD decompression to help it be significantly smaller, which Destiny doesn't bother to do at all.
Fairly certain they’re a Bungie plant. There is not a single fan of Destiny that would shill for them (Bungie) THAT hard, because any real fan of Destiny will feel hurt by how Bungie treats us these days. Cuz it didn’t use to be this demonstrably egregious.
Definitely given a fat paycheck to write this one yep
Fellas don’t be ridiculous, it’s a bad article but she’s not a plant. Gaming publications aren’t known for their journalistic chops.
That author is right. Thats why this season i had enough and uninstalled the game. I broke off the toxic relationship. I continue to support streamers and hope for things to get better but doubt they ever will.
Wait what, I’m confused are you saying you agree with the article or the streamer? Cause you mention author but then say you broke out of the toxic relationship and still support streamers
@@mrj1897 the streamers aren't to blame solely for the state of the game. So I still watch the content but no longer play the game. The author said if you don't like it quit playing. So I have.
@@nicholasbaker2904 oh ok, mb I was kinda worried you were siding that the community is the problem. I’m glad you did, and I’m on a hiatus of my own
I’m inclined to agree with this take considering just today I see a small destiny UA-camr make a video about the destiny Reddit solstice boycott, and then a few hours later the same youtuber made a video saying “Get on now!” Showing that Bungie accidentally made all the solstice evervearse items in the game available now, and the dude bought the new armor with silver
Do you stand by your personal virtues or do you farm the game for content and make money?
I've never understood when regarding armour for your character I'm one guy playing the 3 classes these should come as a bundle to use on each class may incentive me to spend more
“The problem isn’t brutal dictatorship, it’s the peasants who are complaining.”
I just think we all need to remember the phrase: Put your money where your mouth is. If you aren't enjoying the game--as much as it sucks to step away from something you've supported for so long--cut back your playtime (or stop completely, your choice). Bungie sees decreases in play time and revenue probably more seriously than almost any blogpost or rant, whether it is warranted or not. I basically haven't played at all this season, and I don't see myself playing next season if there aren't a ton of things that I think are fun to do.
This season is crap anyway.
I've lost interest in buying the final shape.
Especially seeing as lightfall was over hyped and LIGHT HASN'T FALLEN
💯
Season of the seraph broke me. After plunder and seeing the price of lightfall, I had to stop
I wish I stopped at this point.
During lightfall light hasn't even fallen.
So I would expect disappointment with the final shape too
Some gamers feel a surge of accomplishment when they achieve it by their own hands, buying it takes away from that achievement and knowing that it exists just makes people regret they did it in the first place
every season should come with 1000 silver then most people would spend that silver on cosmetics and spending the same amount of money but it will make bungies numbers look better to investors just by pure engagement
Lol bungie is too greedy for that 😂 just look at how they priced everything in the store.
@@JDMaxelakidd3 i mean obviously. I already quit the game though so
I bought the full season pass for this season and not because of all the mats and ornaments. I bought it for the stupid deepsight harmonizers because Bungie has to lock those behind a paywall and only lets you get about 6 per season. That’s literally only 1 gun you can turn into a red border per season. I’m gonna play Final Shape since I’ve been playing this franchise since 2014 when D1 launched. After that I think I’m done. Bungie didn’t just drop the ball, they took it and threw it at the ground as hard as fucking possible lmao ☠️
The second they mentioned the new light tutorials I knew they hadn’t played them, those tutorials don’t teach you anything at all
The whole argument around sun setting things because the game would become too large to download Is easily fixable master chief collection is an illustration of it you simply select what content you want to download, in the master chief collection you can download all four games or just one etc.
Clickbait title is clickbait. To be fair, calling D2 a “micro transaction hell” was as well, but it’s fine.
Here’s the best ways to put it, IMO: Destiny 2 has problems, and one of the bigger ones is the player base’s mentality.
brain rot
Their argument amounts to "I don't see this as a problem, therefore no one else can."
I don't mind getting nickel-and-dimed, but the content has got to be rock solid. Right now, there are so many areas of the game that not only haven't been improved/innovated on in ages, but we are seeing more and more corners being cut. Bungie is either silent or moving glacially slow. It's hard to get hyped for them to make Hand Cannons worth using in a couple months from now. Past a certain point, it is not the playerbase's concern whether or not game dev is hard. It's also not the playerbase's responsibility to account for every nut job who threatens or DDOSs, because they are degenerates and degenerates exist everywhere, unfortunately. All the playerbase can do is voice their displeasure, and if that fails, quit the game. Bungie are the ones who can actually make changes.
At the end of the article it lists D2 as one of her favorite games. Makes me wonder what version of D2 she's playing. Also I wish there was a comment section I would love to call her out on all the B.S. that was spewed in that article.
For the people absolutely malding in the comment section, Datto has a great video.
Its called taking a break and touching grass. The D2 community is toxic af towards D2 devs and it shows
"hey, leave the multimillion dollar company alone!"
-whoever wrote this
Exactly!
It’s both sides that have faults. We’ve played this game for so long we have the highest expectations from a game that has given us so much. They’ll never meet them. But we’ll keep playing because the base product is still great.
I started playing in March. As a new player I have no high expectations of the game at all and it's still failing spectacularly. This game's offensive on so many levels it's not even funny. That article calling the "free-to-play" generous is just absurd. The New Light "quest" is shorter than the prologue of most indie games. The actual expansion story missions are also offensively short, but I guess Destiny players have been conditioned to not expect anything more, cause no one's complained about that.
But hey, I bought all the expansions, right? Bungie got me, cause I get why the game's so addictive and I really like the loot aspects and the gunplay. However, everything else is just horrifyingly predatory. As a new player my biggest surprise is how tolerant Destiny veterans are.
I'm not gonna drop other game titles here, cause people react quite negatively to those kinds of comparisons, but there is one in particular that does everything Destiny does, but a 1000 times better. The only fault of Destiny players is how much they love the game.