"That could have been worse." | Breaking Down a Rescue
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- Опубліковано 4 тра 2020
- Last Spring we were running the South Yuba in California, when things went a little sideways. Luckily it didn't go worse because I was able to rope Evan out before he had to swim some gnarly rapids. In this video I decided to breakdown a few steps I took to allow me to be able to successfully get Evan out, and hopefully they will help you whenever you need to help someone out!
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Annnnd I'll be moving my throw bag from behind my seat now
Lmao
😂😂me too buddy me too
That throw is so damn acurate tho
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Colten Todhunter whitewater rescue tech here. A big thing to point out is how our buddy Dane pulled a fair bit of rope out of the bag before throwing. This ensures you have extra rope to keep the tension dynamic. Easy to overlook.
Yeah for sure definitely key. Especially if your going to have to reposition to a place with better footholds.
Also good to never put knots in your line (when it's stored), and keep a short river knife to hand in case the rope gets snagged on swimmer/obstruction?
I'm a search and rescue tech as well, specializing in water and mountain rescues. I noticed the same thing right away, even a small mistake like that can put multiple lives at risk.
Fantastic video. Thanks for this. Great to see more of this stuff in the future if possible. Rare that professional kayakers break down rescue skills and scenarios. Will assist other paddlers no end in improving rescue skills.
I don't whitewater kayak but I do teach scuba rescue skills. I must say that was an excellent toss of the bag in moving water. The carabiner still attached, no biggie. Rather one less tooth then drowning. And depending on exhaustion, they can always clip off.
I feel the same way about the Carabiner on the end. A: It does add some wait and makes your throws more accurate. B: like you said, they can clip off with it. C: In case they can't grip the rope, the C-biner is a last chance grab. Moral of the story, Practice throwing... It's not as easy as he made it look.
in all seriousness, my sister lost one of her good friend's on that stretch last spring.
the guy was a guide and had run it hundreds of times.
apparently a large boulder had moved due to the heavy flows.
he left behind a wife and two kids.
pretty tragic for everyone.
be safe out there guys!
The quick eddy out set all of this in motion. Dane you probably didn't even realize.....you were in the best eddy to help!
I had my worst experience when I was only 11 years old. I capsized in a big hole and was not driven out for a long time.my grandpa thought that I would never get into a boat again, but the next day I was on the water again.i love paddling❤️and you are my idol i watch all your videos and hope that at some point i can drive like you.❤️I'm still praticing im only 14.
Sorry for my English im from Germany ❤️
Hay young man ever forward sounds like your on your way to be a professional white water Kayaker set your goals work, hard at it and it will come true. You will make mistakes but how you take those mistakes and make them a positive is Knowledge and just maybe you will get the opportunity to meet your idle. PS you did just fine with your English at your age keep, paddling. Hay Dan are you listening, sounds like a special young man.
Dane, I think we would all appreciate it if you made more of these videos. It’s super helpful hearing this points reiterated by someone with your level of experience… you certainly can impact the community! Thank You!
That was fast dude! A good show of experience on your part thanks for sharing this
Another big thing to point out: Always try to get the swimmer's attention before throwing a rope.
So 'always' is a strong word and this is something I have debated a couple of times, I am glad you brought it up because I forgot to talk about it in the video. So I do agree that it always is best when you can get their attention, but be careful to not let it become where you ONLY throw once you have their attention. I have seen people just sit there waiting and waiting because they want to get the persons attention but sometimes that is just not possible. If you are able to get their attention great, but assess the situation. Sometimes people are getting worked in their boat or recirculating in the hole and they just won't get a chance to notice you, so pick your moment and get the rope to them. I guess my short way to put it would be don't assume you shouldn't throw the rope until there is eye contact, sometimes it's just about them hearing you.
Another thing you did well was use friction well with the rope and rock. Nice job Dane. :)
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Well he did. Wasn't obvious when he was yelling his name?
Dane would have made a good QB. That was a hell of a toss! Nice job
There wasn’t a second to spare there dude...excellent content ✊🏻
Excellent summary. Loved the finally critique of yourself as you continue to humbly show that even the best can be even slightly better. Impressive. Great work, Dane.
That was quick, congrats. Bit of help from the nice eddy in the right place.
I did my first rope rescue two weeks ago. Knowing to anchor yourself and let the swimmer pendulum to the side of the creek is key. Trying to pull them in, while they are holding onto a boat full of water, is extremely difficult and a waste of energy. Energy that you may need if the rescue goes south.
I learned these skills 20 years ago. Great to be refreshed on some life saving skills and the critical thinking behind them. Bravo
My throw bag will be forever in the front!!! Excellent lesson. Thanks!
please show more of these when you end up helping a swimmer, or even when you swim, then talk us through it. Your family has the advantage of tens of thousands of hours on the river, so you have the knowledge that would take most of us two life times to learn.
This is just awesome. I've only ever been a recreational paddler on up to grade 3-ish. This video is an amazing example of quick thinking/reacting.
On the theory side, the Bill Nealy "Kayak" book has a fun chapter, and then there's Bechdel & Ray...and SRT courses.
On intermediate runs with easy access and enough paddlers, we sometimes stood people with throw bags on/below rapids...when you have minutes (not split seconds) to think about where to stand/support.
Thanks so much for posting this!
Excellent case study. That quick decision to take position up on the bank was so key.
Thanks for this video. We ran our first baby rapids last weekend on the Potomac.. I loved every second. I learn so much watching you.
Great info ,being able to get out of the boat fast is something that takes practice and worth gold. I would have to take twice that long on a good day. Very useful , thanks Dane.
When the Quarterback becomes the receiver
great reminder that it is not always about going big but also about staying safe while doing so. Really helpful stuff demonstrated right there!
Thanks for sharing this - solid info that most UA-cam “rescue” videos lack.
Awesome debrief! Thank you for your clear deconstruct of the event.
Dude. Those reactions and aim were SPOT ON. Dang good job
Well done and excellent descriptions of the process.
Great video again Dane. Just one little remark: although it was obvious to me, since I use similar signals with the paddle while signalling to my paddling buddies, maybe you can point out more clearly in this video where you use your paddle to signal to the rest of your group further upstream that they needed to run the hole on river right?
Great footage and explanation! Thank you 👍
Excellent video. Thank you, Dane!
Awesome! Please, more safety videos like this from the experts.Thanks.
Solid breakdown! Thanks for sharing.
All excellent points. Well done.
I figured the tribal shout was just to celebrate and to announce your okay, Didnt even see the dude capsize! Great reaction speed and initiative. Saved a life and prevented a few with this video. Hero Stuff.
Not to mention that throw, imagine if it landed just behind him. Do you purposely not throw it in front? Seems hard to time that in the moment.
@@duganrocks100 I think it's mentioned that 'in front' can drop short, while (from my training) if it goes over the head then the line drops right at your face, and so can never be too far behind ;-). We were also trained to raise hands in a V for maximum catchablity..
Excellent rescue!! Hope to meet you at some point Dane!
Definitely a good review of a wonderfully simple rescue that could have gone bad if he kept swimming. It did look like he would've made the eddy swimming, but the current was also pumping pretty fierce, and it's SO much easier with a prepared friend. :) (You also never want to be that idiot who sits there with a rope, and they almost make it, and then don't.) I would just add taking out a little bit more rope, but you didn't have a lot of time, and were able to hold on well enough. (Super minor detail)
Very valuable recommendations, thank you. It might make sense to augment a video like this with another one which illustrates how you pack the rope into the throw bag.
Very good points in the video. I do white water canoeing like class 2 max but I always keep the throw bag in front of me and if we are going down in a group I make sure I’m somewhere in the front to middle in case someone goes swimming. But I also spend a lot of time fishing and I have pulled my fair share of people out of the water because I was there
Excellent. thank you for sharing. I learned a lot here..
This is awesome, thanks dane. Nice throw
Link to throw bag! Big enough but smaller than my raft bags and my kayak bsg now seems way to small. Thanks excellent work!
Right on time brother ! Cuerdaaaa!!
What rope bag is that? I like how narrow the bag is. Especially, since I am going to store my rope in the cockpit from now on. Thanks for this content. I also noticed how you pulled extra rope out before throwing it and thought that was a smart move. So smooth.
This was really good, and it answered some questions. Another thing I have been trying to work out more safely is boat rescue. once the guy is safe how do stay safer and save their boat, realizing it's never the same twice, but maybe from your experience.
Nice Clip Dane!!
Dude that was some seriously quick thinking there. Nice.
Nice tips and advice, thanks :)
Great throw! Keep it up.
You are spot on ..well done👊
Appreciate it!
Great video and lesson!
Awesome video, thank you!!
Great video, awesome save
Awesome, thanks Dane!
That was so smooth, great job.
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I can't believe it, ur a hero!
amazingly quick reaction. great save
What a beast of a throw !!! Experience saves !
Damn you were lightning quick with that
a thing you didnt mention is how important a srt class can be even for club boater
Good rescue lesson ! Thanks ;)
Thanks for the tips:)
How do stow the throwbag at the front? Couldn't quite see how you arranged it was held, plus there was the other bag in front of it (what was that one)..
Man you reacted perfectly. 💪
Thanks for that helpful video. Tip #3 (3:31) brings me to that question : if you are only two people in the river and one is going to swim, what are your main points to chose between staying on your boat to drag or follow him, or geting out to throw a rope ?
Good question, and in the end that is why not paddling with less than 3 people can make a huge difference. That being said if something goes wrong, simply decide where you will be most useful. Don't forget that sometimes if the other person is in a hole close to shore, you can pull them out of the hole in their boat. It all depends on the situation, but I would I say I most often get out because being able to rope someone is a better situation than having to deal with them in your boat. In this situation in particular, if for whatever I was the only other person, I probably would have still gotten out due to knowing what was downstream.
I also share these views, thanks for your answer
Life saver “ always leave the carabiner on as the weight needed for that distance and accurate throw would have almost been 3%chance of success. “ I’ll take a bang to the head for my life.
Bravo 👏
Anyone can swim, any time. Great response And practice your throws.
shoelaces can easily be caught in a clipcarabiner while you try to get out in a tricky situation if you store your rope in front...change to a screw/lock carabiner. i think that will make it a lot safer
Brilliant AF thanks
Very well done.
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I've run that section of SFY in a paddle boat at 2000-2500cfs and it's crazy.
My rope is a bugger to get from behind the seat. I have a LL FS 95. Ill look for a front hook up today.
Also, you had a bag between your knees. What do you carry in it?
Thanks.
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I generally will have my camera gear with me.
Cat-like reflexes 🤌
Killer rescue! One other thing I noticed: You didn't have time to belay the rope around your back, so you used the rock to help grab it and prevent it from getting pulled out of your hands.
It's true that if you can set the rope around your back, it is the best way to support the weight and not lose the rope. But even if you have the rope around your back you should still have somewhere to brace your feet against. Even if I had it around my back on top of the rock I still would have been pulled in.
@@danejacksonkayak Here in UK, I've had instruction that says to avoid having the rope wrapped around you in any way, just in case you are off-balanced by the pull and then the rope is locked around you. Various holding techniques are taught to help firmly lock the rope without becoming trapped, and are easy to release if slack needs to be paid out. Wrapping the rope round the boulder or tree is much better.
cracking rescue there Dane
I'm no waterman, but I am a bc skier....the same habits (created by safety, rules and etiquette) apply. Have what you need for your friends at the ready...and always bring it no matter how 'recovery day' your trip is....Someone shows up without a beacon, shovel and probe, or worse, has all that and doesn't have a clue how to use it, is neither funny nor acceptable.
I have no idea who you are, Dane, but if I got in to boats and whitewater, I would hope my mentor would be someone like you. Good on ya, mate.
Love you vidoes I want to be like you when I grow up
great stuff dane
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Great advice thanks man! Maybe plastic carabiner? Seems like there is no time to remove it in a rescue situation.
Myself and my friends agree that in a case like this we will gladly take a carabiner to the face instead of what could happen downstream.
Dane Jackson Legendary paddling, you guys are on the razor’s edge of what is possible.
What diameter/length of rope do you keep in the front of your boat?
I try to use ropes between 50-70ft. If its more straight forward days I will use the lighter one like the new Kokatat throwbag, which is 50. But if its more dangerous days I like using the NRS Rescue Compact which is 70ft.
Great advice!
If it's someone you don't like as much, use a larger beener😁
On point
this was very interesting for a perosn like me who diesnt know anything about kayaking at all.
How far did the boat get downstream? Did he Evan enjoy that beer from your shoe!!🤣
We found it like 5 miles downstream or something I think, not in great shape.
@@danejacksonkayak - do you have clean booties?!!!!
what do you carry in your dry bag?
That’s a good question.
It's my camera gear. But I will usually have a first aid kit with fire starting equipment behind my seat in a small dry bag.
what throwline do you use/recommend
I use the Kokatat Huck most days on the water. But as it’s a bit shorter if it’s bigger trip or a bigger project I use the NRS Compact bag. The bag I had in this video is from HF and it’s a great bag, easy to toss. But for a longer bag I like the NRS because it packs so easy. But I use the Kokatat Huck almost every day these days, it’s lightweight but gets the job done.
@@danejacksonkayak thanks
What throw bag do you use?
I was using this HP bag at the time. But I use the Kokatat bag most of the time. And the NRS bag on bigger expeditions.
I’m gonna have to buy a kayak and throw bag after watching this...
Has he slways has a minor lisp? Ive never picked up on it if so..
Yep! About 70% deaf so it happens at times 🤘
@@danejacksonkayak its very lowkey to the point that im a huge fan and just barley realized it was there. I hope i didnt come off the wrong way, it was more for edification
Good
Throwing the bag over then also help prevent them from grabbing the bag and not the rope which will only let out more rope.....
Im teaching a new boater and he tends to swim a lot. Any tips on recovering a boat easier?
As long as the water is fine to do so get him on the back for a stern deck carry, kicking and keeping his head at your hips. Or swim to sure if able. The boat you can ram, aiming for the bolt on the side. Or keep it upside down, pull the nose over your lap and rotate it slightly to crack the air seal. Pull the cock pit over your lap and rock the boat side to side getting as much water out as you can. Flip it right side up, aim and push from the tail into your slowest water. you can also look up deep water rescue videos good stuff.
@@shirotorisan2032 awesome! I appreciate the help!
For the swimmer just have him grab your stern handle and kick if he can't get to shore himself. As for the boat, practice lifting the boat out of the water as much as possible to get as much water out as possible, then flip it upright and start pushing it towards shore with your hands. This way it's much easier to push with less water, and you are not attaching yourself to it.
post more videos dude!!
Nice rescue, that throwbag is aweful in my opinion tho. Looked like a pain in the arse to get the rope out
I normally use an NRS rope, although I didn't have one at the time. The rope doesn't effect how hard it is to get out really, it was just because my hands were freezing and I was catching the carabiner on the bungee.
How much do you wish Dane is in your crew when stuff goes wrong.
That throw though was champions league ....
does he have a slight speech impediment?
I don’t know why you stressed being stationary when you threw the throw bag. I personally find that if you are dynamic and moving down stream you don’t put as much strain on the swimmer.
It will depend on relative speeds, amount of slack available, and the hindrances on the bank. If it's a loaded canoe then you want maximum line length, a solid belay, a good pendulum and a quiet eddy to recover the boat (or abandon it..).
For a fellow paddler, you want a prompt safe rescue, so taking a static belay where you are, potentially paying out a little slack if dynamics and positions are poor, will be the first choice.
Interesting