Beautiful pieces, no matter who the composer is. And for me as an amateur organist, they have the right level of difficulty and nevertheless provide grandeur, joy, contrapuntal structure etc.. great fun!
🇮🇹❤️👏👍🌹🌟 • Brano esaltante ed enfatico. Destrissimo l'organista. Molto OK!! (non mi stanchero mai di esaltare la musica organistica, significativa, con questi miei umili commenti!!)
Indeed now we think they are probably from Johann Tobias Krebs (the father of Johann Ludwig Krebs, preferred pupil of Bach) who was pupil of Bach as well ;)
Every time I listen to these short preludes and fugues, it brings me to tears. I get nostalgic because I think about my childhood and my teen years. Reason is because back in the day when I started learning how to play the organ, they where the first repertoires I learnt to play, followed by trio sonatas, large preludes and fugues & symphonies.
III liked that way you played these wonderful pieces very very much! And what a lovely organ! Thank you! "Små" stycken, men STOR musik, då de framförs så här mästerligt!
Very beautiful played, thank you a lot, dear Dénes! I learned a lot from you while listening these pieces, because I want to play them too. What I noticed: there are more than 245.000 watches and only one single like (from me). People, who watch this video, you all can set your likes without hesitating!
You actually think he "walked in (your) humble opinion"? I think not. I've been a student of the grand organ for fifty plus years. I still can't wrap my mind around the idea he was actually human. But these tiny pieces say a lot about his ideas related to counterpoint, harmony and technical expertise. The rest... is up to YOU. The music is not on the page; it's in the ear.
@Kelly Fis6her I don't know what you have against J.S. Bach, but your opinion that his music is "mediocre" puts you in an extremely small minority. Musicians of the caliber of Mozart, Beethoven, Berlioz, Mendelssohn, Chopin, Stravinsky and Bernstein wrote and spoke about the awe and love they had of his music. Have you ever heard his St. Matthew and St. John Passions, his WTC and the Goldberg Variations? They're supreme examples of musical genius, the exact opposite of mediocrity. And about your charge of plagiarism -- all composers back in the early 18th century were free to borrow themes and ideas from other composers. It wasn't considered theft or plagiarism, but rather homage. Telemann, Handel, and countless other composers all did it. Composers were expected to produce so much music all the time for their employers (church, court, aristocratic patrons) that they can't be blamed for borrowing other composers' ideas from time to time. However, when Bach borrowed ideas from others, he almost always improved them in his version. Yes, these 8 little preludes are probably not by Bach. But they're delightful pieces, whoever wrote them. And the true "mental disease" is the lack of appreciation of the genius of J. S. Bach. Let's see and hear your musical pieces, if you are so much better!
Wonderful - convention implies a pause before the penultimate B flat - and (unlike Jean Paul who rushes on and blurs the logic) you put it in! These final bars of the B flat fugue are absolutely masterful - way beyond the skills of anyone except Bach! In a way among the most thrilling in all music. You draw the Trumpet. And unlike Jean-Paul, you do not begin the rallentando too early in the bar! Much as I like Jean-Paul in general.
"(unlike Jean Paul who rushes on and blurs the logic)" ..I agree that a whole lot of rushing is going on here. Not on all, but a few could have been interpreted a few bpm slower and opened up more of some beautiful writing. Regardless of who penned them these pieces are early foundational scripture to anyone who studied the organ.
Those are obviously not written by J.S,Bach, but such lovely pieces. Much simpler, yet certainly unique. They have a kind of lightness that feel like floating on the clouds, dreaming. I remember the first time I heard those pieces...performed by Power Biggs. I was amazed that whoever wrote those, had learned "Prelude and Fugue" format so well...(perhaps from Bach directly?) They are very short, but complete. I wish the composer left more pieces for us... All are nice, but my favorite is g minor.
When playing Bach, the question always comes up: How much or little can the player change things around in order to breathe new life into these old chestnuts? After being an organist for some 30 years, I now like working with a synthesizer in developing new registrations. And I think Bach would have loved what we can now do. Thanks for sharing.
Since you have been an organist for so long, do you have any tips that I (a relative newcomer to the organ) could use to improve my practise to develop my skills at the instument?
@@sveinungnygaard1505 Find a good teacher! And also study organ building: types of pipes, types of stops, organs schools (italian, french, english, german...), types of windchests...
Good on you! Shows that Bach's music is timeless and adaptable to the modern instruments of today. I grew up being told by some that such music had to be played historically accurately. It has its place but then if modern rendition's are musical and sound beautiful - why not? I heard a severely autistic person play Bach on his keyboard and what he did was pure and beautiful. He certainly breathed new life into this music.
I think he would have been impressed with what we can do today, but I also think he would not consider electronics a substitute for acoustic instruments
I play the one in F major with a staccato that approximates laughter, if possible with a light reed but no mixture, and the A minor using principals 8' and 4' and 2" flute, in a very reverberent setting, but only about half as fast as typical. I've heard only vaguely similar performances on UA-cam thus far.
Many years ago while I was learning the organ I did hear about this. As I learned the pieces, I noticed a good deal of these works and the Major Works & Concertos seemed to have common threads. My teachers said if I learn these, playing the Major Works will be easier. The debate as to who wrote these pieces will go on. His students may have wrote down the notes as he played giving them good listening & notation lessons. He may have slowed the playing or just went for it.
Nice performance of the "easy" eight. Probably not by Bach (probably Krebs) but nice little set of pieces that most organ students have learned at some point.
@@mr.booker9263 hes saying that they are taken as easy pieces when they are actually quite hard, especially the 8th. Not mocking for playing easy pieces
They vary quite a bit in difficulty. Even as an amateur myself, I have no problem with the C Major and A Minor. Some of the others are challenging. But, generally, not to nearly the same degree as say the Trio Sonatas.
I'm old enough that when I learned several of them they were still generally attributed to Bach. (And no, I'm not his contemporary, though I feel like it sometimes, especially when attempting to go up or down stairs.) :)
Beautiful! Please correct me if i am wrong, but haven"t scholars determined these pieces are by Bach's student Johann Krebs, and not Sebastian Bach himself?
It has flip-flopped back and forth at least a couple of times. The reasoning for thinking they were not was they seemed "different" in style. There has been debate ... I'm not one to give a lot of credit to someone analyzing the structure of the music and saying "the music was not by the person that signed the piece." Hutzpah if you ask me. It would only be something someone could prove if they had an original manuscript.
@@brianwithnell3570 To Brian Withnell: I agree with you. I wonder if these just might be early pieces by Bach. The first prelude for example aces Bach's method of harmonic architecture. His "Capriccio on the Departure of his Brother" offers a pretty feisty fugue for someone at that age. So I will not underestimate Bach's early attempts. I therefore would tend to believe Bach did write these pieces but on the other hand, there were many talented people in those days who may have written them as well.
To say that this set of pieces is not by Bach because of the “style” is absolutely ludicrous. They were signed by Bach and anyone who says they were penned by someone else is working under pure speculation. A stylistic argument when referring to a musician with a catalog as large as Bach’s is hardly defendable in and of itself. I fear that these types of claims are generally not from a place of historical accuracy, but an attempt to receive notoriety. “Heh, yes I am the man that discovered Bach actually didn’t write any of his pieces!” is the vibe I get when reading papers on the veracity of Bach’s claim to these pieces.
There are other reasons, including a 1987 study of most of the extant manuscripts. Bach's influence is unmistakeable, but I tend to agree with the current consensus that this was probably Krebs (a student of Bach's and a talented composer in his own right). But if it helps you to belief it was penned by Bach, you certainly aren't alone.
After reading a lot of these comments and listening I realized this probably isn't Bach. Some pieces may sound a little like him, but most don't. Still some nice baroque music.
However, they are still closely related to Bach, written by Johann Ludwig Krebs (or possibly his father, Johann Tobias Krebs), one of Bach's most favoured students.
i wouldn't be surprised if these were partimentos and ideas written by bach for a student to realize and/or develop. they sound too much like partimento exercises. from the prelude patterns to the fugue themes...
As others have said, this is definitely not by J. S. Bach. I've spent 50 years exploring and playing Bach. I think I know the real thing when I hear it. If it was a student of Bach, J. S. would have scribbled all over the score with corrections and improvements to the score. There is just too much ordinary and banal music here. If you want to hear some inspired writing, I might suggest exploring Bach's 12 Little Preludes for keyboard, BWV 929, etc. Every piece is concise, fresh, and a gem!
I would not call any of this "ordinary and banal" though I do agree with the general consensus that this was most likely Krebs. What I find in general is that there is plenty of Bach I don't fully grasp, even after dozens or in some cases hundreds of hearings, but sometimes there will be that one performance that just makes it come alive. Hoping maybe that will happen with some other genres of music one day since the further we get from the Baroque period, the less most music tends to make sense to me.
David White I agree the pedal part needs clearer definition. Could be a shortcoming of the recording, layout of the instrument, or lack of suitable ranks. A pity, because otherwise a so well executed performance.
Although well played, the tempo is too fast and the registration is overwhelming with mixtures and pedal reeds especially in number one and number eight when the Trumpet is employed and spoils the fugue, being wearing on the ears.
Oh how splendid, just splendid!!!...THANK YOU!!!...THANK YOU!!!...THANK YOU!!!!!......
I'm a simple man. I see Bach, I click.
Same, however there are some reasons to think this piece is from his "best student" Krebs. Try to listen his works, you may surprise.
C-dúr 0:20
d-moll 04:25
e-moll 07:41
F-dúr 11:53
G-dúr 14:51
g-moll 18:00
a-moll 21:36
B-dúr 24:46
Wspaniale gra na tym instrumencie !Porywające jest to szaleństwo!Nuta goni nutę! Organy to cudowny instrument.
Beautiful pieces, no matter who the composer is. And for me as an amateur organist, they have the right level of difficulty and nevertheless provide grandeur, joy, contrapuntal structure etc.. great fun!
🇮🇹❤️👏👍🌹🌟 • Brano esaltante ed enfatico. Destrissimo l'organista. Molto OK!! (non mi stanchero mai di esaltare la musica organistica, significativa, con questi miei umili commenti!!)
There's nothing quite like Bach's organ pieces. Simply magnificent!!
Not every piece is from Bach
Simon N Actually, none of these pieces are from Bach.
Indeed now we think they are probably from Johann Tobias Krebs (the father of Johann Ludwig Krebs, preferred pupil of Bach) who was pupil of Bach as well ;)
They are magnificent! :) I´ve learned BWV553 in C-dur, not easy, not hard for someone learning on his own.... Going to learn 556 :)
Bravo bravo bravo bravo brilliance fantastic grandiose music
Those were definite performances - just excellent and most appreciated!
The organ is beautiful it sounds so colorful. 8 short preludes & fugues are so lovely nice whoever wrote them.
This is where we started. What a joy to remember. .
Perfect interpretation. Interesting, changing, well considered, built the tension. Congrats!
Thx for playing all these and making the videos! It's really useful!
Henry
Best recording, bravo!
Love playing the C prelude, d minor prelude and F prelude… have started self-learning the organ 3 weeks ago.
good luck 🎉
All brilliant. My favourite is 24:44 with the pedal work.
Habe es gerne gehört. Orgelmusik und Bach, einfach großartig.
These were my intro to playing J.S. Bach in my teens. This is like taking a stroll back in time. Thanks!
Like a breath of fresh air
The e minor gave me shivers so beautiful.
Thanks Denes - I liked the colour, and the performance overall. Well done !
Every time I listen to these short preludes and fugues, it brings me to tears. I get nostalgic because I think about my childhood and my teen years. Reason is because back in the day when I started learning how to play the organ, they where the first repertoires I learnt to play, followed by trio sonatas, large preludes and fugues & symphonies.
I had the score to these gems, but NOT the music... until I discovered it on UA-cam!
III liked that way you played these wonderful pieces very very much! And what a lovely organ! Thank you! "Små" stycken, men STOR musik, då de framförs så här mästerligt!
Stunning
Very beautiful played, thank you a lot, dear Dénes! I learned a lot from you while listening these pieces, because I want to play them too.
What I noticed: there are more than 245.000 watches and only one single like (from me). People, who watch this video, you all can set your likes without hesitating!
The ole Johann Sebastian, the best ever. One of the most important humans to ever walk the planet in my humble opinion.
garyhope2 These were Not Even composed By him
x2
You actually think he "walked in (your) humble opinion"? I think not. I've been a student of the grand organ for fifty plus years. I still can't wrap my mind around the idea he was actually human. But these tiny pieces say a lot about his ideas related to counterpoint, harmony and technical expertise. The rest... is up to YOU. The music is not on the page; it's in the ear.
@@simonn8312 Correct. Krebs is believed to have written most (if not all) of them. Still, Bach is awesome!
@Kelly Fis6her I don't know what you have against J.S. Bach, but your opinion that his music is "mediocre" puts you in an extremely small minority. Musicians of the caliber of Mozart, Beethoven, Berlioz, Mendelssohn, Chopin, Stravinsky and Bernstein wrote and spoke about the awe and love they had of his music. Have you ever heard his St. Matthew and St. John Passions, his WTC and the Goldberg Variations? They're supreme examples of musical genius, the exact opposite of mediocrity.
And about your charge of plagiarism -- all composers back in the early 18th century were free to borrow themes and ideas from other composers. It wasn't considered theft or plagiarism, but rather homage. Telemann, Handel, and countless other composers all did it. Composers were expected to produce so much music all the time for their employers (church, court, aristocratic patrons) that they can't be blamed for borrowing other composers' ideas from time to time. However, when Bach borrowed ideas from others, he almost always improved them in his version.
Yes, these 8 little preludes are probably not by Bach. But they're delightful pieces, whoever wrote them. And the true "mental disease" is the lack of appreciation of the genius of J. S. Bach. Let's see and hear your musical pieces, if you are so much better!
Whenever I include one of these Preludes and Fugues in a recital, they are listed on the program as by J.S.Bach.
Wonderful - convention implies a pause before the penultimate B flat - and (unlike Jean Paul who rushes on and blurs the logic) you put it in! These final bars of the B flat fugue are absolutely masterful - way beyond the skills of anyone except Bach! In a way among the most thrilling in all music. You draw the Trumpet. And unlike Jean-Paul, you do not begin the rallentando too early in the bar! Much as I like Jean-Paul in general.
"(unlike Jean Paul who rushes on and blurs the logic)" ..I agree that a whole lot of rushing is going on here. Not on all, but a few could have been interpreted a few bpm slower and opened up more of some beautiful writing. Regardless of who penned them these pieces are early foundational scripture to anyone who studied the organ.
Sooo goood... I've Never heard something like this!!!! Keep It on!!!
Those are obviously not written by J.S,Bach, but such lovely pieces. Much simpler, yet certainly unique. They have a kind of lightness that feel like floating on the clouds, dreaming. I remember the first time I heard those pieces...performed by Power Biggs. I was amazed that whoever wrote those, had learned "Prelude and Fugue" format so well...(perhaps from Bach directly?) They are very short, but complete. I wish the composer left more pieces for us...
All are nice, but my favorite is g minor.
I agree. Amaizing , many thanks!
schön ich mag es sehr
Piękne utworki , coś czego organista amator jak ja chętnie nauczy się grać 😊 Dziękuję ❤
utworki?🤔
Bravo
Tanár úr... egyszerűen lenyűgöző :)
💖🔔💖🔔💖
When playing Bach, the question always comes up: How much or little can the player change things around in order to breathe new life into these old chestnuts? After being an organist for some 30 years, I now like working with a synthesizer in developing new registrations. And I think Bach would have loved what we can now do. Thanks for sharing.
Since you have been an organist for so long, do you have any tips that I (a relative newcomer to the organ) could use to improve my practise to develop my skills at the instument?
@@sveinungnygaard1505 Find a good teacher! And also study organ building: types of pipes, types of stops, organs schools (italian, french, english, german...), types of windchests...
Good on you! Shows that Bach's music is timeless and adaptable to the modern instruments of today. I grew up being told by some that such music had to be played historically accurately. It has its place but then if modern rendition's are musical and sound beautiful - why not? I heard a severely autistic person play Bach on his keyboard and what he did was pure and beautiful. He certainly breathed new life into this music.
I think he would have been impressed with what we can do today, but I also think he would not consider electronics a substitute for acoustic instruments
I play the one in F major with a staccato that approximates laughter, if possible with a light reed but no mixture, and the A minor using principals 8' and 4' and 2" flute, in a very reverberent setting, but only about half as fast as typical. I've heard only vaguely similar performances on UA-cam thus far.
Many years ago while I was learning the organ I did hear about this. As I learned the pieces, I noticed a good deal of these works and the Major Works & Concertos seemed to have common threads. My teachers said if I learn these, playing the Major Works will be easier. The debate as to who wrote these pieces will go on. His students may have wrote down the notes as he played giving them good listening & notation lessons. He may have slowed the playing or just went for it.
I see these pieces belonging to Bach´s pedagogical program. They are clearly a little pieces like many of his clavier preludes and fughettas also.
Thanks a lot!
B-Dur 24:45
Played a lot of them to prepare for Bach. Now Im playing the Orgelbüchlein.👍
❤️❤️❤️
J. S. Bach BWV 560
11:53 ❤️
Nice performance of the "easy" eight. Probably not by Bach (probably Krebs) but nice little set of pieces that most organ students have learned at some point.
Kind of patronizing, don't you think, old chap? "Nice performance" would have sufficed.
@@mr.booker9263 hes saying that they are taken as easy pieces when they are actually quite hard, especially the 8th. Not mocking for playing easy pieces
They vary quite a bit in difficulty. Even as an amateur myself, I have no problem with the C Major and A Minor. Some of the others are challenging. But, generally, not to nearly the same degree as say the Trio Sonatas.
Ik kan deze zelf ook spelen, echt heel mooi
Ik leer momenteel bwv 558 spelen op orgel :)
these were the first bach pieces i ever learned all those years ago. :) some of them were actually composed by a student of his if i remmeber
I'm old enough that when I learned several of them they were still generally attributed to Bach. (And no, I'm not his contemporary, though I feel like it sometimes, especially when attempting to go up or down stairs.) :)
Im in love be with Bach and Krebs.
Beautiful! Please correct me if i am wrong, but haven"t scholars determined these pieces are by Bach's student Johann Krebs, and not Sebastian Bach himself?
That's what the consensus of organist have told me. Still nice works!
It has flip-flopped back and forth at least a couple of times. The reasoning for thinking they were not was they seemed "different" in style. There has been debate ... I'm not one to give a lot of credit to someone analyzing the structure of the music and saying "the music was not by the person that signed the piece." Hutzpah if you ask me. It would only be something someone could prove if they had an original manuscript.
@@brianwithnell3570 To Brian Withnell: I agree with you. I wonder if these just might be early pieces by Bach.
The first prelude for example aces Bach's method of harmonic architecture. His "Capriccio on the Departure of his Brother" offers a pretty feisty fugue for someone at that age. So I will not underestimate Bach's early attempts. I therefore would tend to believe Bach did write these pieces but on the other hand, there were many talented people in those days who may have written them as well.
i think JS Bach's hand is definitely in there.
I've never heard Bach do some of these things in his music before
Well, of course you haven't, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WRITE ANY OF THESE. They were written by Johann Ludwig Krebs, Bach's student.
To say that this set of pieces is not by Bach because of the “style” is absolutely ludicrous. They were signed by Bach and anyone who says they were penned by someone else is working under pure speculation. A stylistic argument when referring to a musician with a catalog as large as Bach’s is hardly defendable in and of itself. I fear that these types of claims are generally not from a place of historical accuracy, but an attempt to receive notoriety. “Heh, yes I am the man that discovered Bach actually didn’t write any of his pieces!” is the vibe I get when reading papers on the veracity of Bach’s claim to these pieces.
There are other reasons, including a 1987 study of most of the extant manuscripts. Bach's influence is unmistakeable, but I tend to agree with the current consensus that this was probably Krebs (a student of Bach's and a talented composer in his own right). But if it helps you to belief it was penned by Bach, you certainly aren't alone.
The (first) fugue (BVW 553) also resembles fugue 5 of Book II of the WTC, to my ears. Krebs could have been inspired by that perhaps.
0:20 record starts
The NBA now formerly ascribes them to Bach. They are useful pieces to have in your repetoire.
After reading a lot of these comments and listening I realized this probably isn't Bach. Some pieces may sound a little like him, but most don't. Still some nice baroque music.
However, they are still closely related to Bach, written by Johann Ludwig Krebs (or possibly his father, Johann Tobias Krebs), one of Bach's most favoured students.
@@pseunition6038 His influence is undeniable, but I generally do think it was Krebs.
11:50
14:51 is number 5
i wouldn't be surprised if these were partimentos and ideas written by bach for a student to realize and/or develop. they sound too much like partimento exercises. from the prelude patterns to the fugue themes...
Who really cares? We all got to learn them. Yeah. !!! The rest is up to the student... through the years.
Many of Bach's simpler pieces, particularly keyboard works, were written with student performers in mind.
As others have said, this is definitely not by J. S. Bach. I've spent 50 years exploring and playing Bach. I think I know the real thing when I hear it. If it was a student of Bach, J. S. would have scribbled all over the score with corrections and improvements to the score. There is just too much ordinary and banal music here. If you want to hear some inspired writing, I might suggest exploring Bach's 12 Little Preludes for keyboard, BWV 929, etc. Every piece is concise, fresh, and a gem!
I see these pieces belonging to Bach´s pedagogical program. They are clearly a little pieces like many of his clavier preludes and fughettas also.
I would not call any of this "ordinary and banal" though I do agree with the general consensus that this was most likely Krebs. What I find in general is that there is plenty of Bach I don't fully grasp, even after dozens or in some cases hundreds of hearings, but sometimes there will be that one performance that just makes it come alive. Hoping maybe that will happen with some other genres of music one day since the further we get from the Baroque period, the less most music tends to make sense to me.
Vielleicht eine Nuance zu schnell
Where is this organ located please ?
At the Abbey of Zirc (Hungary)
In these pieces, especially the fugues the pedal did not have sufficient independent voice !
David White I agree the pedal part needs clearer definition. Could be a shortcoming of the recording, layout of the instrument, or lack of suitable ranks. A pity, because otherwise a
so well executed performance.
Although well played, the tempo is too fast and the registration is overwhelming with mixtures and pedal reeds especially in number one and number eight when the Trumpet is employed and spoils the fugue, being wearing on the ears.