the first 3 rounds was on reyes maybe the judges scored it. 10-9 all three round on reyes favor. and the last 2rounds maybe scored them 10-8 in favor of jones. but i dont know
Significant strikes landed: Round 1: Reyes - 23; Jones - 17 Round 2: Reyes - 33; Jones - 22 Round 3: Reyes - 26; Jones - 19 Round 4: Reyes - 13; Jones - 20 Round 5: Reyes - 21; Jones - 26 Jones: Two takedowns over Reyes but did nothing with it and the longest Reyes stayed on the ground was 3 or 4 seconds. Reyes: defended seven takedowns This is starting to look like people are just focusing on protecting established fighters instead of reward talented newcomers who clearly did more to deserve the win. Very sad.
Reyes landed 45 percent of his total strikes, Jones landed 62 percent of his total strikes. They both had nearly identical shots lands but Reyes a fewer more. Dominic landed more shots then Jones but missed more than he landed.
You only covered strikes. But that's only 1 category of judging the bout. Significant strikes landed, you covered that. Aggression. All jones. Octagon control. All jones. I agree with the decision as well as the unanimous based on the way this bout is judged. I don't agree with that 1 judge that jones won 4-1 rounds. But I still agree with the decision
@Alex Cthe round he wasn't aggressive he lost and I don't think anyone disagrees with"Reyes first two and Jones last two" it's clearly the third round that is the issue and personally I give it to Jones but honestly going into the fight I didn't like Reyes and by the end of the fight before the judges score I was seriously on edge because I didn't know who won
They need to hire retired fighters like Chuck Liddell, Forrest griffin, Tito Ortiz, bas rutten, hell any retired fighter to judge these fights. Problem would be solved.
@@MrLakeshow11 there would be a process for selecting them. In football, if an Arab country plays against a European country, they would chose a ref from the far east or the americas to ref the match.
Rashad is 100% correct about his confidence. You can call it what u want but it does give you an edge when your not afraid of your opponent and don't think they can hurt you. There is no hesitation and no thinking your just acting and that split second faster reaction time makes a difference. You see it all the time during fights once someone is tagged.
@Htx457 How does it not make sense? He thought Jones won the fight and the handful of good shots he took that would knock out others impressed Rashad.....
If you’re going to go with the philosophy “who would win to the death” then reverse the decisions for Diaz Conor 2. Conor was toast in those last rounds, if he had to go 30 seconds more, he was dead. Nate was still going strong
Lol if it was who would win to death then diaz would be dead when connor put him on the floor in round 1, he could have just started kneeing him but its against UFC rules. So we can only go by the rules that exist
People still bring this up and I'm no Conor fan but he obviously fought the bigger guy and had the balls to go up and do it sorry the second fight he was fucking Diaz up had that dude's face looking like hamburger but people gotta fan boy the Diaz brothers so hard they leave reality he should be ashamed Conor was able to even knock him on his ass with that reach and size difference
He's just saying Jones has a phenomenal chin especially in MMA where you can literally get KO'd on accident. It's rare for someone at the highest level of competition taking bombs on a regular basis to show such a great chin like Jon or Khabib, especially Jon cause lightheavys hit lit mac trucks compared to lightweights. Besides everyone uses that example for Nate v Conor 2, even though Conor won the first 3 rounds, if the fight goes to the death Nate wins and so people feel robbed. Reyes was clearly a beaten man and Jon getting the takedowns, controlling the octagon, pressing the action and blocking or riding most of the "shots" Reyes landed won him the last 3 rounds for me anyway. Doesn't matter now though cause Reyes tasted the polish power and went to sleep.
@@owens7945 That flurry in round 1 really won the fight?? Come on now, Jones controlled the entire fight. Kept backing down Reyes easy and kept coming forward.
He said that was his personal opinion. Which everyone has my friend. Who are u to question joe anyways lol. Joe has been doing this for years and is a legit martial artist himself lol. Not saying Jon won but to question joe is stupid because he is the best with giving his honest opinions on a fight. The fact of the matter is the third round was to close and the fight went to Jon due to the way he finished the fight and Dominick faded just enough.
Done what differently? He knew this was a 5 round fight and still lost the last 2, that proved joes point lol. If it was 10 he would’ve lost for sure than. What would he do take the first rounds off? That would mean he wouldn’t even have the rounds he had rn. 3rd round was a draw as well
Right, Joe's comment of if it was to the death Jon would of won but how can you say that if the action never stops for these guys to get break and advice from there corners makes a big difference in the next round so if that's the logic Jon never goes back to the corner and he never get gets advice or breaks!
@@TheSublimeLifestylethe ufc uses a 10 point must system there are 2 possible scores for a round 10-8 or 10-9 no round in this fight was a 10-8. The first 3 were 10-9 for reyes the last 2 were 10-9 for jones sp reyes won 48-47 the last rounds count exactly the same this is a blatant robbery
Host:"Had this been a 10 rd fight Jon would have decapitated Reyes" Michael Bisping: "Yea yea, but its not a 10 rd fight. Its like saying 'if they allowed guns, he would have shot him'. Guns arent allowed either buddeh. "
Compare Reyes to Gustaffson 1, and tell me in what way Gustaffson did worse. Reyes - unlike Gustaffson!!! - gave up Octagon control in Round 3, throwing as many punches as possible to get a percentage of strikes win. Simple as that. And here's something funny that people forget: Jones threw more precise strikes. Look at the figures of thrown vs landed for each fighter.
Danny Peculiarbleeps i feel like reyes fight was closer than gus for the first 3 rnds. Cause gus was landing but jones especially in the 2nd round was blasting gus was body kicks and head kicks and out struck gus.
Joe is incredibly biased in this interview. Bringing up totally irrelevant comparisons like school yard fighting, fighting to the death and the so called “championship rounds”. EVERY round is scored evenly no matter what. What is the point in having rounds at all if the last two were to somehow hold more value? Reyes out struck Jones in the first 3 rounds. That’s not a guess it’s a fact. The stats clearly show that. Effective striking is the highest scoring criteria. The judges have clearly screwed up, yet Joe continues to grasp at straws with these ridiculous comparisons that literally have nothing to do with the way MMA fights are scored.
Mexico Native If that was true Reyes wouldn’t have been the cowering one later in the fight. Also didn’t you see the headlock from jones in that second round or am the dodging from jones. Reyes ran at him throwing punches and landed 1 body shot out of the 12 he threw. Edit: I meant headkick
@@ericrodrigues167 Nah man, you're choosing not to see. It's true that Reyes threw in combinations and missed punches, but he also landed some good ones here and there throughout the whole first 3 rounds. And bottom line is he outstruck and landed better than Jon in those 3 rounds. Jon did good he finished strong but he lost . Had Jones scored a knockdown and dominated with elbows and ground and pound, and made it an 8/10 round, then he would've retained his title or possibly won. But he didn't.
There is absolutely no way of knowing how a fight would go “if it went another five round”. As of right now it’s 5 rounds weighted equally. Reyes clearly won the first three. Let’s be honest people.
the first 3, jones was retreating a lot, no significant hits, not a single take down, some kicks and jabs here and there while Dominick was trying to dismantle jones with heavy shots, he had the first 3
Dude it’s asinine to count the last two rounds more all that is going to do is to completely disincentivize fighting at a high clip in the first few rounds. It’s so ridiculous
@@Thecgsystem maybe in a real street fight, but a street fight doesn't last 25 minutes with minute breaks in between. Even your logic is flawed because if I'm doing more damage to you the majority of the fight and then you start to fight back at the end your still closer to dropping even if I'm more tired cos you've sustained more damage. He wasn't gassing out like Conor, he had a lot in him.
@@Thecgsystem that's stupid. It's a fucking sport with rules and regulations. Each round is scored individually. Whoever wins the most rounds wins the fight.
Its hard to judge against JJ because he never looks uncomfortable in a fight no matter whats going on, always composed , doesn’t look tired or show weakness
@@I_KILL_CUCKS Yeah he looked caught out, like he wasn't really at the races, showed up in the 4th and 5th imo, lost the fight overall. But shit happens.
Right? I mean, if I know the rules I can just save energy and then explode at the later rounds. That's a valid strategy. Joe doesn't seem to understand that.
and this is why PRIDE rules were the best, because among other rules(like striking downed opponents),you judged the total fight, but the UFC's been fucked by Boxing and athletic state commissions so you have these terrible judges and judging.
With any given outcome, you can construct an argument for or against it. Think of it like the legal system. Joe is also a huge fan of Jon Jones and an employee of the UFC, so take it with a grain of salt. Also, the UFC is a multi billion dollar business, if you expected them to remain pure to the sport and the fans, you’re a bit naive. It’s a business first, a social spectacle second, and a sport third. I wish it was the opposite.
He kicked Reyes in the jaw and hit him with a cast punch and a 1-2 in the third round. Jones was landing too. And he got a takedown in the 4th. Reyes went close to beating him but did not do enough.
@@gjergjjiim1615 didnt do enough? Reyes won comfortably 3 rounds of a 5 round fight, outsmarting, outstriking and outperforming jones. What did you want to see him do exactly?
Tal Moore endurance and damage should count for more than landing. The point of a fight is to inflict damage and that doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen off a clean punch. Smh when ever I fought my goal was to fuck the opponent up. Reyes might need ACL surgery and was gased in the 4th and 5th how can you win a fight running the last 2? Reyes would of got fucked up with no time limit.
@MrCactus doesn't matter, he won 3 rounds and jones won 2. If it was a street fight then Jon wins cause he dominated at the end but this is mma where each round carries the same weight. Reyes won 3 Jons 2.3 rounds is more than 2 so Reyes should've been the champ.
When Jones loses his first fight Joe will say.... Well if the fight went on for another 2 hours I think there's a great chance Jon gets the better of him. Rogan has always loved Jones too much to have any objective opinion about him.
@@mountainjews he didnt eat him for me jones won the second the 4th and the 5th round, reyes was arguably the best opponent jones has ever fought but after that Reyes has lost 3 fights
Arguably Roe Jogan here was fairly objective pointing out the suspiscious judge and that most people feel like Reyes won three rounds, need ref help to be the GOAT though
"if it was to the death, Jones would win" is a stupid way to look at it Joe! Both Dom and Jon would fight differently if it were a "to the death" fight. But they fought a "best of 5 rounds" fight, and most ppl agree that Dom clearly won 3 out of 5.
Imagine telling a fighter "hey, it's a pretty simple sport. You can win by either finishing your opponent, or securing three rounds." "Okay cool, so what about my opponent?" "Oh, he doesnt have yo do either of those things. He just has to look really good at the end of the fight. And if he has an excellent body of work, they count that for him too. And if we pretend in our heads that it's a fight to the death on the street and we think he would have eventually killed you, then he gets credit for that too. And if we feel like he's REALLY the better fighter, and that he would definitely win a rematch, then that counts for him also. GOOD LUCK OUT THERE KID!!" Reyes secured three rounds against the greatest of all time. Everything else is noise. They should have given him the belt.
What is the point of saying Jon Jones won the last two rounds... if your going to judge a fight based on how a fight ended... what's the purpose of having rounds. What's the purpose of having a scorecard... Just combine all the rounds into 1 round and let them fight til then end... Reyes won the fight no doubt about it.. he was robbed
@@seabassmusiktv5803 You're an asshole. Reyes definitely had the first 2 rounds but the 3rd? No. Reyes got his ass kicked in the last 2 rounds. The last 10 minutes he was barely standing and he won? The man had to be carried away but he won? He ran away from Jones in the last 2 rounds but he won? GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE! Reyes has to stop Jones, meaning submit him or knock him out to win any fight let alone become champion.
joe talking like Jon was kicking reyes' ass in the final round, jon tried to take down 9 times and reyes defended almost all and the ones he didnt he got right back up soo wtf ??
Zeke Michael He isn’t being criticized for not submitting him. He is just saying that, anyone can be taken down for a second. It doesn’t count for as much if you can’t keep him there and land a couple shots.
Dude it's called a hard punch he made a mistake by throwing a kick he's not gonna do that again trust me anyone can get knocked out by that steroded fuck.
@@Malouco what are you talking about jan has never failed a drug test in his career why the fuck do you think he's on steroids??? And by your logic we should disregard his win over walker cause it was an early knockout.
The one issue I have with the 'to the death scenario' is that if there's no breaks between rounds, Reyes would not have stopped and could have killed Jon in the first 15 minutes. The bell is all that stopped Reyes from continuing to go to town on Jon.
the other problem is that fighter fights with number of rounds being in mind. you can't make the argument 'for the death' if there is predefined number of rounds that fighter take into consideration with his strategy.
he didn't get three,John got it with takedowns as lame as it is that was the deciding factor. Round 5 possible 10-8,they are right in the sense that you HAVE to finish the champ in a close one like that. A decision will always lean in the champs favor in a close fight
@@jvnbrk Jones ain't take shit down lmao Jon's takedowns got stuffed each time and if you wanna count those half ass take downs where Reyes got up a second after then go ahead
anybody can play the "what if" scenario but at the end of the day the contest was 5 rounds and the scores did not reflect what we saw and Reyes absolutely won by scoring. You cant predict what would have happened in the 10th round if they kept going all you want. Maybe Reyes would have turned it up a notch who knows. Thats why the "what if" scenario is a great talking point but not reality.
@@Themayseffect very true, he lost last 2 rounds but in my opinion, he won the 1st 3 rounds...do we look at this fight as scoring contest since no one got knocked out? Or who has the heart of a champion in the later rounds? Btw im not in any shape or form saying Jones was not impressive, he is a beast make no mistake abt that. But he lost the contest that night, in my opinion.
@@jeffreyabraham7051 Reyes was the toughest opponent Jones has had since Alex (the first fight)... so yea, it does make a strong case. But Reyes lost. I'm not the best person to argue though, i rarely ever call foul for scored fights "that go the wrong way" and certainly championship fights. If the challenger doesn't decisively beat the champion then i immediately rule it as a loss. Reyes did not even remotely "unanimously" win this fight. Looking at the Cody vs Dominic fight is a perfect example of the challenger unanimously winning a fight without a TKO/SUB. The fact the round 2,3 can be seen as open for interpretation here means this clearly that Reyes didn't win. Rd 3 could've been scored either way. Leaving only 1/2 as a win for Reyes and rd 4/5 as a clear loss. Reyes is younger and has less mileage and could not close out the fight.
@@Themayseffect here are the data i pulled on the fight. Reyes landed 23 of 59 punches (38%) compared to Jones landing 17 of 27 (62%) in round one. In the second, Reyes landed 33 of 68 (48%) against Jones' contribution of 22 from 37 (59%). And, in the third, Reyes again landed more with 26 of 45 (57%) while Jones landed 19 of 34 (55%). It was only in the fourth when Jones snatched the momentum, landing 20 of 34 (58%) compared to Reyes who landed 13 of 41 (31%). In the fifth, Jones landed 26 from 34 strike attempts (76%) compared to Reyes who landed 21 from 46 (45%).
@@jeffreyabraham7051 not sure what this is supposed to prove.... All it shows is that Reyes never dominated the fight...This doesn't account for Octagon control, takedown attempts, significant strikes or head/body/leg strikes.
Cmon joe. Silly analogy’s there. So if I’m winning 3-0 playing football and the players get tired and concede one in the last minute it’s 3-1. Mma is a sport and should be treated like one
It’s fight tho. It’s not playing a game with rules. Unless we let people fight infinite rounds until someone quits. You trying to see who the better fighter is. You may win in the beginning but ultimately lose. It’s how fights go..
Most of the shots didn't land because of Jon's defense. You all have never stepped into a cage or understand what you're looking at. His defense won him that fight.
wtf r u talking about? they’re “praising” him for being able to absorb those big shots like nothing happened, we’ve never seen Jon get hit that much... it showed his toughness, u casuals r funny asf 😭
@@niharshastri3519 Jon won. It wasn’t a robbery. People said the same about some of Floyd’s fights. Shut your biased hating ass up. Go cry. Jon is truly the best in the UFC rn.
Sia Sleopard I disagree! When you are fighting JON JONES, you don’t take any rounds off!!!!! You don’t allow the judges to decide! You got a chance to beat one of the best ever, ya gotta go five rounds!!!!! If Reyes felt he had it won so played it safe, then he definitely deserves to lose! These fights have always been subjective w numbers. Plying it safe the last two rounds, and I don’t think he did (I think he was tired), is a losing strategy and always has been.
Sia Sleopard he has a good point. Round 3 & 5 make 7 1/2min. Reyes hands down won that fight tho. Dude needs cardio or I think Jon will catch him in 3.
I don’t understand what joe said was making his own rules he literally just asked a question that IF the last 2 rounds counted more you need to open your ears
@@joab757 You idiot Reyes did not get complacent. It was due to him being taken to the deep end. Jones has done Championship fights many times before. Reyes did exactly what he had to do. Pressure him constantly from 1 to 2. It's simply a case of Reyes being gassed out. His explosiveness from 1 to 3 none stop had him fighting on an empty gas tank to 4 and 5. And that's avoiding himself from getting knocked out by Jones
I love Joe but man this is crazy talk. Did Tyson Fury deserve to lose on points because Wilder almost knocked him out in the 12th? Even Joe probably doesn't agree with what he's saying here he just ain't getting any pushback from Rashad.
true, but it makes sense when you look at it.... if a team in the NBA is winning at the end of each of the first 3 quarters, but is losing at the end of the fourth quarter, they lose.... thats because the sport is judged as a whole, not quarter by quarter... i believe fights should be judged as a whole, not round by round..... makes more sense
Cam Grabert what are you talking about? Each quarter in an nba game is important if you up by 20 coming into the the 4th and lose the 4th by 30-25 just cause you lost the 4th don’t mean you lost the game
If you are going to judge a fight based on who won the last 2 rounds, then what's the point of the point system then? The reason we have points is because without a KO/TKO, the winner would be decided based on how many rounds they won. So to decide the winner based on who won the 4th and 5th round just discredits the whole point of a point system completely
How can you say that, when he goes and says 4 and 5 should be weighed more? and that jones would have killed reyes if the fight was longer? Dude would suck jone's D if he could. as one of the faces of the UFC the rules should be the rules, don't try to bend them after the fight to justify a bad win.
Jones was never getting his ass kicked either, go back and watch fight. Reyes was throwing a ton of shots but jones parried and let a lot of shots hit his gloves. I think if the fact that he made Jon Jones look human we all thought he was doing better than he was but went back and watched fight and I actually think jones won.
pauliewallnuttz ive only been able to see the highlights of the fight so I could be wrong so don't kill me if I am, but what was the longest jones was able to hold Reyes down and control him whenever he got a takedown? In the hoghlights it looked as if every time jones did take him down he couldn't do anything and Reyes was back to his feet after not long each time. I'm curious because looks like Reyes defo outstriked jones and the jones' main argument for winning was the takedowns, but like I said looked like he done nothing with them
He didn't perform well enough to get the belt. The challenger has always been required to make a decisive display whether it is boxing or mma. Belts are rarely won by way of non unanimous decisions.
Man stop it Evans. He lost that fight. You give him credit for taking the punches. He lost man. Man people will make excuses for who they like. Dominic absolutely lost the last two rounds but Jines absolutely lost the first three. And even though he was coming forward he was hurt.
It was a close fight but I thought Dominick Reyes won the first 3 rounds and should have won the fight. I think the loss did something to Dominick Reyes mentally, he was undefeated before this loss and now he has lost 3 in a row since.
It doesn’t matter how good a challenger competes, if they whoop the champ all fight. Because if it goes the distance there’s 99% of the time 1 outcome. It’s rigged
Yeah what Joe says also won't work. Then fighters will run and preserve energy for 3 rounds and go all in for the last 2 rounds... Gonna be boring 3 rounds imo 😀
R H You’re assuming every fight is going to go for 5 rounds. Fighters already pace themselves so they won’t be tired in the 4th and 5th rounds. If you saw Jones and Reyes fight for 1 round it would’ve been a completely different fight
That is full of crap just like Ariel said, they should just be two men in a ring, and the one who does most should be the winner. No you gotta beat the champ definitely to win.
No one ever mentions how discipline Jon is when it comes to not dropping his hands. He always has that one hand up covering his chin. That’s what amazes me.
What’s the point in mentioning if the fight was to the death or school yard fights? That’s not what the rules are. It’s a 5 round fight, each round scored separately. Seems like these “experts” are looking to excuse the decision. Reyes won!
Exactly! It was a very dumb point to bring up. Lets just go back to UFC 1 rules in that case. You cant take rounds off in any combat sport. Even in a 12 round fight. Points are so important, and you never know what the hell the judges are seeing out there.
He was just pointing out the fact that when the fight was over Jones was the fresher fighter meaning dominick didn't damage jones enough in the said first three rounds. He's standing on even grounds. Stop vilifying Joe to make it seem like everyone was and is still plotting for jones.
Idle Class Hero Joe is cool people but he doesn’t always have the perfect logic. What does looking fresher mean if the man was landing still? Some people are better at absorbing punishment. Reyes landed more every round. Being fresh doesn’t equal a win.
Exactly. I just rewatched it.. round 2 was the closest round period.. 1&3 Reyes, 4&5 Jones.. rd 2 was Reyes at the beginning landing some shots then jones winning the 2nd half of the round. Jones won the fight due to constant advancement. These judges out too much stock in the advancing fighter. Just like takedowns with no damage done afterwards. Damage is the key no matter what the positioning of the fighters is. The advancing fighter just looks more dominant period. Just like the fighter on top looks more dominant. You still have to land clean shots and inflict damage
The concept of rounds negates the idea that "whoever is winning at the end, should count for more" or "death fight mentality". Sure it was 25 minutes straight of 2 people fighting then you could say that, but there are breaks ever 5 minutes with coaching, cut work and water.
He has to spin the narrative. During the fight Joe was constantly talking about how great Jon looked while doing nothing. "he's fresher he's fresher." Yeah cuz he's standing still not doing anything. If he was fresher and wanted to win, why not cut the ring off. Oh was he too tired to cut the ring off but not as tired as Reyes? 😴
@@greuju For real man, everybody talking about cage control when for the first three rounds Reyes footwork kept Jon from cutting him off and doing anything of significance
If the fight was to the death, it also would have started differently. Not saying that I know who would have won, but because each round is rewarded equally on the scorecards, this affects how it plays out greatly (fighters modulate their efforts accordingly instead of immediately trying to kill each other or using a different tactic). I feel like 3 rounds to 2, especially if damage is being done in all 3 of those rounds , should result in a win, but that’s just me. I mean, people can rally in the last 2 rounds because they know they only have to go that long, so I don’t get the prioritization.
He worded it badly but it makes sense. It should have been split decision, not unanimous, but Joe is saying you need to finish strong. Throwing everything you have in the first couple rounds can be cool, but if you get outmatched in the later rounds when fatigue sets in and you have to be a tactical fighter and you cant keep up the judges will always lean towards a fighter that was more dominant late in the fight rather than early.
@@harmonyinone Jon didn't really put it on him though. He got takedowns but they were short lived and yes he pressured those last 2 rounds. But he lost 3 rounds clearly and if you judge the fight as a whole, Jon lost. He didn't win the 2 rounds in the dominant fashion that Dominic did
You prepare for a fight, given the rules for the fight. A 3-round fight is prepared for differently than a 5-round fight. If the fight was 10 rounds, what makes Joe think Reyes would have fought the exact same way? Also, if you want to play this hypothetical game, why stop at just the number of rounds? Who would have won if there was no breaks every 5 minutes. What if it was a 20 minute round? Would Jon have weathered the early onslaught w/o advice/motivation from his corner or just the brief rest to gather thoughts? These hypotheticals are silly. It was a close fight. I felt Reyes won, but it wasn’t a robbery. Run it back.
The fight should continue until someone wins. I don’t understand how you can win a fight without winning it. The fact that you can even question who is the winner of a fight proves that no one won the fight.
It happens with an GOAT legacied athlete. You don't just fight/play the person you fight/play the legacy as well LeBron gets the calls mayweather gets the decisions McGregor gets the leanyency. The legacy is harder to defeat the person tbh
@Royce dude you can beat the champ on decision wtf they definitely changed the rules for Jones because that fight was definitely 3-2 everyone saying he kicked his ass in the end so Jones won what about Reyes kicking his ass for 3 rounds but he gassed and survived because he knew he won you are delusional
@@roundboxfitness3588 yup, pride used to judge fights as a whole which was their reasoning for the 10 min first round. One FC has been starting to experiment with the same type of judging.
If it was a school yard, there wouldn't be rounds for fighters to regain composure and catch their breath. Whoever had momentum in the first round most likely would have ended the fight since it is only one round. So that is a false premise.
@@ezmoneytore8940 so what? championship rounds dont make you a champion, they're not worth anything more than the other 3 rounds. that's the most stupid argument i've heard someone make
@@medzo8193 not really arguing for the decision just explaining the stance. I personally had the third round a wash, one point either way, with the first two and last two being non-debatable*.
Jon Jones wins fights with Single direct attacks that have knock out intention, take downs (ground and pound when he can) and moving back and blocking when defending rushes. That’s the strategy and it’s obviously worked for his whole career . Dominic just didn’t do enough to beat one of the best ever .
3 out of 5. Reyes. He won. Was robbed. Take downs count for points but do no damage. He never put Reyes on his back. Nor could he flatten him. Reyes escapes. Didn’t stay down long. Reyes dominated the standup. So what happened? Jones wins??? Cmon man.
werthy is my name It was too close of a fight to be a robbery you casual. It was razor close. Many people believe Reyes won. To call it a robbery though shows how little you know about the fight game
Alexander Hayward I personally felt that the 4th was very close between the Reyes and Jones. Even in the beginning of the 4th Dom controlled it for a bit.
I like how everyone says "well JBJ couldn't keep him down! He couldn't do any damage!" Well did Dom do any damage to JBJ with his strikes? No. I'm using your logic here.
You’re not getting what he’s saying. He’s saying it was a super close fight so Jon’s ability to push the action late in the fourth and fifth when his opponent couldn’t is the mentality of a champion and shows he’s the better fighter and deserves to be the champ. If it’s a close fight and the challenger can’t dig deep and keep up the fight and the champ does, then the he’s better than the challenger. If that third round had been more dominant by Reyes than he would have gotten the decision but I don’t think a fighter should be able to win three and then fade off and just survive and still win a fight. Jon may have lost the first three but he never stopped pressuring and trying to win but Dominic dropped off in the end unlike the champ. Dom is not the quality of fighter Jon is.
William Akerstrom THANK YOU! Someone who gets it and is not bias, there’s too many butthurt bitches in the comments and you have perfectly explained it
William Akerstrom I get what you’re saying but ufc fights are not scored that way nor should they. It’s 5 rounds, 10 point score system, and you tally up the scores in the end. You win more rounds, you win the fight. That simple. Reyes won 3, Jon 2. This isn’t street rules or “last shot wins” like they do at the park. It’s a score that’s kept. Every round is important, Jon got beat up for most of the fight (3-2) and thus should be declared the loser. This whole “if it would’ve gone 10 rounds” crap like Rogan said is irrelevant because it’s not part of the rules. 5 rounds, score the rounds, add it up, declare a winner. Simple.
Popped for PED's multiple times and getting victories by winning only 2 of 5 rounds, repeatedly?? I think Jon Jones is either dating Dana White or is wearing plot armor.
You're right, Joe: it is a dumb way to think about it. Everyone should hang back in the first three rounds because only the last two matter? Or the last round? Or is it who is on top when the fight ends? This is not sprint cycling. The rules are scoring by rounds, all of equal value. You are such a smart guy, I never expected you to say something so dumb?
Also rules : cage domination , agressiv , reyes backpeding get taken down . get exhausted at the last 4/5 most difficult rounds : 3 judges unanimous , yoiu re not judge if you want judge then graduate and try to get a job instead of nonsens casufans opinion
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You have to knock Jon Jones out to get a draw with him
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I’ve seen this comment somewhere else. Plagiarism.
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You have force Jon Jones into a DQ to have a chance to win lol
When you close your eyes and listen to Rashad speak you can actually hear one of kamaru usmans many personalities
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yes, the best one.
🤣
Absolutely Hilarious but TRUE!!! Kamaru Usman’s Big Brother, 👍🏾👊🏾✌🏾🇳🇬🇺🇸
Johnamy Williams holy shit lmao dude this is so accurate
Joe: Who tf opens up a fight with a flying knee?
Cuban Jesus: Hold my cup
He said championship fights
Street Jesus is yet to fight a championship fight
Love Masvidal though
Rishabh Rathore to be fair he has if you count the BMF fight with Nate
Lol, let Jorge do that vs Usman and we will see where he ends up.
Hold my soda
The Cuban missile Jesus
"He ain't no west coast Judge" nate diaz
Lol
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😂
Tony the type of guy to bribe the judges to score against him.
Super Col007 underrated
One of the best „tony the type of guy“ comments ever
Tony the type of guy to ankle pick his newborn sons first step
Lol
😂
"I just feel like the last 2 rounds should count more, but only for the fighters I like."
This comment would have a couple hundred more likes if you posted this months ago
the first 3 rounds was on reyes maybe the judges scored it. 10-9 all three round on reyes favor. and the last 2rounds maybe scored them 10-8 in favor of jones. but i dont know
rjr29 nah, u can look up the scorecard. No 10-8 scores, that would have been even more ridiculous since there was no deduction
Lol, you're probably spot on but just curious, about which fighters did he say the opposite?
@@thomasfritz147 isn't 10-8 is for like full dominance like when the other person literally does nothing
"If the super bowl was longer the 49ers might have won. Just give them the trophy...." -Joe
Fuck the Quueeeeefs
That shitty ass super bowl was so forgettable I literally forgot who 49ers played
@@chesterwellington9750 how lol, that was a fantastic super bowl.
@@chesterwellington9750 clown
He literally said the uniqueness of this specific sport makes it different than all others.
Reyes had his “Rocky” moment, now he needs his Rocky II moment lol
Rocky didn't get robbed
@@jackattack5537 neither did reyes
Rocky is fake
Ryan Rigsby I thought it was a documentary
lmao
Significant strikes landed:
Round 1: Reyes - 23; Jones - 17
Round 2: Reyes - 33; Jones - 22
Round 3: Reyes - 26; Jones - 19
Round 4: Reyes - 13; Jones - 20
Round 5: Reyes - 21; Jones - 26
Jones: Two takedowns over Reyes but did nothing with it and the longest Reyes stayed on the ground was 3 or 4 seconds.
Reyes: defended seven takedowns
This is starting to look like people are just focusing on protecting established fighters instead of reward talented newcomers who clearly did more to deserve the win. Very sad.
Stats don’t mean shit ask Joanna when she lost the rematch to rose namajunis
Reyes landed 45 percent of his total strikes, Jones landed 62 percent of his total strikes. They both had nearly identical shots lands but Reyes a fewer more. Dominic landed more shots then Jones but missed more than he landed.
You only covered strikes. But that's only 1 category of judging the bout.
Significant strikes landed, you covered that.
Aggression. All jones.
Octagon control. All jones.
I agree with the decision as well as the unanimous based on the way this bout is judged. I don't agree with that 1 judge that jones won 4-1 rounds. But I still agree with the decision
@Alex Cthe round he wasn't aggressive he lost and I don't think anyone disagrees with"Reyes first two and Jones last two" it's clearly the third round that is the issue and personally I give it to Jones but honestly going into the fight I didn't like Reyes and by the end of the fight before the judges score I was seriously on edge because I didn't know who won
It’s so they can sell a super fight with Israel
They need to hire retired fighters like Chuck Liddell, Forrest griffin, Tito Ortiz, bas rutten, hell any retired fighter to judge these fights. Problem would be solved.
I agree, but no tito please. Send tito to the shadows and keep him there.
That would be awesome to have Askren, Cormier, Matt Hughes, Matt serra, etc judge fights
They would probably be super bias considering they have their own gym's / fighters
@@MrLakeshow11 there would be a process for selecting them. In football, if an Arab country plays against a European country, they would chose a ref from the far east or the americas to ref the match.
Fahad Joudeh football refs don’t decide who wins
Rashad is 100% correct about his confidence. You can call it what u want but it does give you an edge when your not afraid of your opponent and don't think they can hurt you. There is no hesitation and no thinking your just acting and that split second faster reaction time makes a difference. You see it all the time during fights once someone is tagged.
Stephen A Smith gave the Jones-Reyes fight to Conner MacGregor 50-40
K Wil 😂🤣😂
Winner
Lol 😂
K Wil lmao, Stephen A. and his “premium content” with the pads and the gloves 🙄
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“Jon won that fight. He impressed me with the shots he took” 😂
@Htx457 How does it not make sense? He thought Jones won the fight and the handful of good shots he took that would knock out others impressed Rashad.....
Chris Arctor where tf is Reyes credit at tho
Chris Arctor cause it isn’t a reason to win lol He lost rounds 1-3. Judges were on crack
He won 3-5, get it right!
@@Deloneys HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If you’re going to go with the philosophy “who would win to the death” then reverse the decisions for Diaz Conor 2. Conor was toast in those last rounds, if he had to go 30 seconds more, he was dead. Nate was still going strong
joshua D macgregor won the 4th I my opinion diaz won 3 and 5
Lol if it was who would win to death then diaz would be dead when connor put him on the floor in round 1, he could have just started kneeing him but its against UFC rules. So we can only go by the rules that exist
People still bring this up and I'm no Conor fan but he obviously fought the bigger guy and had the balls to go up and do it sorry the second fight he was fucking Diaz up had that dude's face looking like hamburger but people gotta fan boy the Diaz brothers so hard they leave reality he should be ashamed Conor was able to even knock him on his ass with that reach and size difference
@@chaoticone8948 Somebody who gets it. 🙌
Mr. Chaos no bro Connors ass was gassed after the 3rd and Diaz outstriked him I don’t know what fight you watched Connor Stanboy 🤦🏿♂️
„Jones was so good, he could take heavy shots.“
„The last two rounds should count more“
i am really questioning these statements joe.
sadly yea me too
He's just saying Jones has a phenomenal chin especially in MMA where you can literally get KO'd on accident. It's rare for someone at the highest level of competition taking bombs on a regular basis to show such a great chin like Jon or Khabib, especially Jon cause lightheavys hit lit mac trucks compared to lightweights. Besides everyone uses that example for Nate v Conor 2, even though Conor won the first 3 rounds, if the fight goes to the death Nate wins and so people feel robbed. Reyes was clearly a beaten man and Jon getting the takedowns, controlling the octagon, pressing the action and blocking or riding most of the "shots" Reyes landed won him the last 3 rounds for me anyway. Doesn't matter now though cause Reyes tasted the polish power and went to sleep.
@@vampycaltm5273 You aren’t wrong but it doesn’t matter with a 10-9 scoring system Dom Reyes should have won.
@@owens7945 That flurry in round 1 really won the fight?? Come on now, Jones controlled the entire fight. Kept backing down Reyes easy and kept coming forward.
He said that was his personal opinion. Which everyone has my friend. Who are u to question joe anyways lol. Joe has been doing this for years and is a legit martial artist himself lol. Not saying Jon won but to question joe is stupid because he is the best with giving his honest opinions on a fight. The fact of the matter is the third round was to close and the fight went to Jon due to the way he finished the fight and Dominick faded just enough.
had this fight been a 10 rounds fight, Reyes would have done differently in the first rounds. Had my grandma had wheels, she'd been a chariot.
Amazing post! Can't stop laughing
Done what differently? He knew this was a 5 round fight and still lost the last 2, that proved joes point lol. If it was 10 he would’ve lost for sure than. What would he do take the first rounds off? That would mean he wouldn’t even have the rounds he had rn. 3rd round was a draw as well
Break her legs so she can be in a wheelchair
@@aydin7266 Joe just got paid to back up the ufc....he was talking differently before.
Right, Joe's comment of if it was to the death Jon would of won but how can you say that if the action never stops for these guys to get break and advice from there corners makes a big difference in the next round so if that's the logic Jon never goes back to the corner and he never get gets advice or breaks!
The whole “if you wanna be the champ you have to beat the champ” went out the window when Cejudo was given the decision over Johnson.
And it is a horseshit philosophy. You either win a round or you don't. The the guy who wins the fight should get the decision.
@@douglascarkuff1969 who gives a fuck about quarter men
Cejudo actually did beat Johnson though
True bro.
Facts
Joe "UFC should exceed 25min so that Jon can win" Rogan
one day we'll all lose to the guy who stayed awake for 14 days lol
Joe "2 is greater than 3" Rogan
Ur stupid what does more damage 2 straight on the chin with good power or 3 baby hits that were blocked don't be dumb
@@gabrielspencer2713 huh?
It’s called “CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNDS” for a reason.
@marc ramirez what are you talking about? He didn't check any of them. He got humbled by Reyes. Even Jones thought he lost the fight.
@@TheSublimeLifestylethe ufc uses a 10 point must system there are 2 possible scores for a round 10-8 or 10-9 no round in this fight was a 10-8. The first 3 were 10-9 for reyes the last 2 were 10-9 for jones sp reyes won 48-47 the last rounds count exactly the same this is a blatant robbery
Host:"Had this been a 10 rd fight Jon would have decapitated Reyes"
Michael Bisping: "Yea yea, but its not a 10 rd fight. Its like saying 'if they allowed guns, he would have shot him'. Guns arent allowed either buddeh. "
Compare Reyes to Gustaffson 1, and tell me in what way Gustaffson did worse. Reyes - unlike Gustaffson!!! - gave up Octagon control in Round 3, throwing as many punches as possible to get a percentage of strikes win. Simple as that. And here's something funny that people forget: Jones threw more precise strikes. Look at the figures of thrown vs landed for each fighter.
Danny Peculiarbleeps i feel like reyes fight was closer than gus for the first 3 rnds. Cause gus was landing but jones especially in the 2nd round was blasting gus was body kicks and head kicks and out struck gus.
Hahaha
@Olando Randle what fight were you watching? A knockoff fight in Japan on the same night?
Not the same. Bad comparison
Jones has entered that late career Mayweather realm where it's all about winning the fight and not KOing anyone.
Since the Shogun fight 9 yrs ago Jon has 2 ko's DC/Gustaffson.When was he ever a KO artist?
Very that's when GSP started to struggle mentally
He did enough to win. Your right. He’s just on cruise control pointing it out
Silva was front kicking Vitor at age 36 and embarrassing guys at 205 at age 37.
Agree
Joe is incredibly biased in this interview. Bringing up totally irrelevant comparisons like school yard fighting, fighting to the death and the so called “championship rounds”. EVERY round is scored evenly no matter what.
What is the point in having rounds at all if the last two were to somehow hold more value?
Reyes out struck Jones in the first 3 rounds. That’s not a guess it’s a fact. The stats clearly show that.
Effective striking is the highest scoring criteria. The judges have clearly screwed up, yet Joe continues to grasp at straws with these ridiculous comparisons that literally have nothing to do with the way MMA fights are scored.
Jim Smith give it a rest man will ye put some respect on the best fighter of all time
I had jones winning round 2 cause he landed harder shots and most of 99% of Reyes missed if u replay it slowly
@@ericrodrigues167 Nothing Jon landed was as hard as that uppercut Reyes landed. Reyes landed harder shots.
Mexico Native If that was true Reyes wouldn’t have been the cowering one later in the fight. Also didn’t you see the headlock from jones in that second round or am the dodging from jones. Reyes ran at him throwing punches and landed 1 body shot out of the 12 he threw.
Edit: I meant headkick
@@ericrodrigues167 Nah man, you're choosing not to see. It's true that Reyes threw in combinations and missed punches, but he also landed some good ones here and there throughout the whole first 3 rounds. And bottom line is he outstruck and landed better than Jon in those 3 rounds. Jon did good he finished strong but he lost . Had Jones scored a knockdown and dominated with elbows and ground and pound, and made it an 8/10 round, then he would've retained his title or possibly won. But he didn't.
There is absolutely no way of knowing how a fight would go “if it went another five round”. As of right now it’s 5 rounds weighted equally. Reyes clearly won the first three. Let’s be honest people.
I don’t think he clearly won first three at all
He didn't won the 2nd round, he missed a lot of strikes he got hit.
He maybe only won 2 rounds at best 😂
the first 3, jones was retreating a lot, no significant hits, not a single take down, some kicks and jabs here and there while Dominick was trying to dismantle jones with heavy shots, he had the first 3
@@asmodius666How could you look at that second round and say Jones only retreated 😂
ESPN get ahold of Rashad. He’s a knowledgeable individual with a great speaking voice.
right on Taylor Man I said same
I think he does do some work for them.
Fuck ESPN
He would be better off going to FS1
@@holeephuck4421 facts ESPN is a vampire type of business. Suck the blood until they can't suck no more then you're gone
He does work for them
Joe: Jon Jones came in with a flying knee. Who does that?
Masvidal: hold my beer
Masvidal wasnt a 23 year old fighting for a world title though
Modern Spirit he is now ? He probably fighting for a world title, but I didn’t know he was 23 lmao
@Modern Spirit😂😂😂😂😂😂
They said in a championship fight.
@@torontobound1628 yeah the dudes 35 lol
Here I was thinking Joe Rogan always kept it real 🤷🏾♀️
He does. You're just a casual 🤷♂️
Joe is biased .
@@shariq5404 we all are.
ArkansasGamer OKAY STAN.
@@navin9315 who tf is Stan??
Dude it’s asinine to count the last two rounds more all that is going to do is to completely disincentivize fighting at a high clip in the first few rounds. It’s so ridiculous
Exactly, wtf is he talking about? 😂
They should call it the champion bias.
If you can't stop the guy and you're getting beat up at the end you lost
@@Thecgsystem maybe in a real street fight, but a street fight doesn't last 25 minutes with minute breaks in between. Even your logic is flawed because if I'm doing more damage to you the majority of the fight and then you start to fight back at the end your still closer to dropping even if I'm more tired cos you've sustained more damage. He wasn't gassing out like Conor, he had a lot in him.
@@Thecgsystem that's stupid. It's a fucking sport with rules and regulations. Each round is scored individually. Whoever wins the most rounds wins the fight.
Rashad Evans looks like he has a CD player slot installed into his head
Jonny Smith 🤣🤣🤣👌
Jonny Smith bro I can’t stop looking at it now 😂🤣
That’s hilarious
😭😭😭😭😭lmfao
He still has my metallica cd, won't give it back....maybe it's stuck
I feel like Judges are in bed with Betting Houses
Why else would Jon's first words to Dominick after the fight be "Our rematch is gonna be epic?"
@8GarretttterraG8 No one thought the fight would be that close
Yep if the fix was it would have went the other way Reyes 4-1 under dog
judges dont agree with me so they must mean its a conspiracy that jj won your a fucking moron
Judges were just sleep tbh... Best Pod Out ua-cam.com/video/LNNJjf5cegg/v-deo.html Like, Sub or Dislike 😉
Its hard to judge against JJ because he never looks uncomfortable in a fight no matter whats going on, always composed , doesn’t look tired or show weakness
That is 100% correct. Perfect way to explain it
Couple uppercuts and straight lefts from Reyes, proves otherwise. Jones looked really uncomfortable. 😂
@@I_KILL_CUCKS Yeah he looked caught out, like he wasn't really at the races, showed up in the 4th and 5th imo, lost the fight overall. But shit happens.
but he lost the fight based on scoring
@@harrywatson2694 then he would have a loss on his record if that was the case
6:40 Rogan with Juice Jones balls in his mouth.
But he could have been right.....
No Joe, all rounds are equally important. That's the sport, it's not a fight to the death.
Right? I mean, if I know the rules I can just save energy and then explode at the later rounds. That's a valid strategy. Joe doesn't seem to understand that.
Technically that's just how boxing works and we took the system from that, MMA would be better off with a more realistic style of scoring.
and this is why PRIDE rules were the best, because among other rules(like striking downed opponents),you judged the total fight, but the UFC's been fucked by Boxing and athletic state commissions so you have these terrible judges and judging.
This is the one time Joe is completely full of shit.
With any given outcome, you can construct an argument for or against it. Think of it like the legal system. Joe is also a huge fan of Jon Jones and an employee of the UFC, so take it with a grain of salt. Also, the UFC is a multi billion dollar business, if you expected them to remain pure to the sport and the fans, you’re a bit naive. It’s a business first, a social spectacle second, and a sport third. I wish it was the opposite.
Joe: "He opens up with a flying knee. Who the @!#$ does that?"
Jorge Masvidal: "Hold my beer."
Eymard Lacambra my first thought as well!
He was talking about a title fight that Jon did that in.
Lol! To be fair that wasn't a title fight Jones knee was.
Comment of immortality!!!!!! Nice.
Please don't tell me you're comparing Jon Jones and Jorge Masvidal
Joe “Johnny bones” rogan
Jo "b.js legs are like arms"rogan
Joe “schoolyard rules should be in UFC” Rogan.
I’ll pray for you joe hogan
Ya'll can't stand the truth
Edgy brah
@CHARLIEBOY SALDIVAR XIII a lot of people be unsubing because Rogan is actually so bias and its obvious Reyes beat jon 4-
1 or 3-2 ...Reyes the man.
@@kanyeeast3203 We know truth Jon got owned and Reyes is the champ
shel 001 I was refering to Eddie Bravo, idk what yall talking bout
Max Holloway- "With those judges logic, I easily outpointed Volkanovski"
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Lol nice try completely different fight dude
Lol jones is like max overrated
o1h8 they both went on a 13+ fight win streak in the division bro how r they overrated
Jones should get credit for skillfully blocking Reyes' punches with his face.
He kicked Reyes in the jaw and hit him with a cast punch and a 1-2 in the third round. Jones was landing too. And he got a takedown in the 4th. Reyes went close to beating him but did not do enough.
Reyes landed some of his best shots in the 4th round, the round nobody is giving him any credit for.
@@gjergjjiim1615 didnt do enough? Reyes won comfortably 3 rounds of a 5 round fight, outsmarting, outstriking and outperforming jones. What did you want to see him do exactly?
Those punches didn't do shit..
Tal Moore endurance and damage should count for more than landing. The point of a fight is to inflict damage and that doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen off a clean punch. Smh when ever I fought my goal was to fuck the opponent up. Reyes might need ACL surgery and was gased in the 4th and 5th how can you win a fight running the last 2? Reyes would of got fucked up with no time limit.
With Joe's logic of the 4th and 5th being weighed more then we should just make them 1 Rd fights then
@MrCactus doesn't matter, he won 3 rounds and jones won 2. If it was a street fight then Jon wins cause he dominated at the end but this is mma where each round carries the same weight. Reyes won 3 Jons 2.3 rounds is more than 2 so Reyes should've been the champ.
@MrCactus if the last two rounds count more then why tf dont fighters stall the first 3 rounds?
Joe is acting like a fanboy in this analysis.
"If it was a fight to the death.. the last rounds should count more"... Ummm but it's not though ....
@@zubairallawi1206 Nope wining a very close round doesnt not equal to stomping a round
Joe: comes in with a flying knee. Who tf does that?
Masvidal: Am I a joke to you?
Out of context
Masdival closed with a flying knee
No, Masvidal is a joke to everyone
Ben Askren was no Shogun Rua
Lol jon did it at 23 and for the title. Like you sound dumb af
OK Joe but I assumed the fight was supposed to be scored round by round, when did the last two rounds become more valuable than the first three?
Championship rounds..
Muney 99 someone knows what fighting for a title means.
He literally says what you’re saying. Completely verbatim. He’s just saying why he thinks it should be different.
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"To be the champ you gotta BEAT the champ" "If it went another 5 rounds" "the last 2 rounds matter more" WTF
Rashad is one of the best of all time too, if he says " to be the champ you gotta BEAT the champ " then that's how it goes.
He did beat the champ 3 rounds out of 5
@@ankletaker6700 The idea itself isn't an issue. Selectively applying it only when you want to is.
The dick riding is real
Dumbest shit I've ever heard I expect more from Joe he's the man but wtf was he thinking here
Rashad is a wonderful human. The guy is a beast, yet he is soft spoken and actively committed to becoming a better person. Respect.
When Jones loses his first fight Joe will say.... Well if the fight went on for another 2 hours I think there's a great chance Jon gets the better of him. Rogan has always loved Jones too much to have any objective opinion about him.
@Iwhbyd Good thing rounds are timed then.
Well who's beating Jones
@@ELITEmyfrat Reyes ate him for breakfast but the judges still gave Jones the win 100% rigged
@@mountainjews he didnt eat him for me jones won the second the 4th and the 5th round, reyes was arguably the best opponent jones has ever fought but after that Reyes has lost 3 fights
Arguably Roe Jogan here was fairly objective pointing out the suspiscious judge and that most people feel like Reyes won three rounds, need ref help to be the GOAT though
Everytime jon Jones has a close fight the rematch doesn't make it to a decision
Very true
Well Jones pops for 'roids every rematch. Coincidence?
But it does get overturned regardless of outcome.
Never had an immediate rematch in his life.
He looked like dog shit against OSP.
"if it was to the death, Jones would win" is a stupid way to look at it Joe! Both Dom and Jon would fight differently if it were a "to the death" fight. But they fought a "best of 5 rounds" fight, and most ppl agree that Dom clearly won 3 out of 5.
Andrew Ponton u clearly missed his point
He was saying that if the fight lasted long jones would’ve won. He agreed that Reyes won the first couple of rounds
here comes the rogan defense league
True. If it was to the death fucking Tony Ferguson could maybe beat Jon if he ran until Jones was tired.
dH so u have nothing contribute to the argument. Why are u even here if u don’t like joe
Joe "hell of a chin" Rogan
Imagine telling a fighter "hey, it's a pretty simple sport. You can win by either finishing your opponent, or securing three rounds."
"Okay cool, so what about my opponent?"
"Oh, he doesnt have yo do either of those things. He just has to look really good at the end of the fight. And if he has an excellent body of work, they count that for him too. And if we pretend in our heads that it's a fight to the death on the street and we think he would have eventually killed you, then he gets credit for that too. And if we feel like he's REALLY the better fighter, and that he would definitely win a rematch, then that counts for him also. GOOD LUCK OUT THERE KID!!"
Reyes secured three rounds against the greatest of all time. Everything else is noise. They should have given him the belt.
Reyes was just throwing hands like a drunk man
Lmao reyes ran away for more than 3 rounds
You cant be a champion if you got destroyed on the championship rounds
@@fgc1850what rules state that? The championship rounds are not more significant that the first 3 that’s not a rule
@@fgc1850you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about
That judge is probably Jones uncle, it’s the only explanation.
Get this man a badge and a degree in forensics
I never seen a jones apologist like rpgan.
What is the point of saying Jon Jones won the last two rounds... if your going to judge a fight based on how a fight ended... what's the purpose of having rounds. What's the purpose of having a scorecard... Just combine all the rounds into 1 round and let them fight til then end... Reyes won the fight no doubt about it.. he was robbed
@@seabassmusiktv5803 You're an asshole. Reyes definitely had the first 2 rounds but the 3rd? No. Reyes got his ass kicked in the last 2 rounds. The last 10 minutes he was barely standing and he won? The man had to be carried away but he won? He ran away from Jones in the last 2 rounds but he won? GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE! Reyes has to stop Jones, meaning submit him or knock him out to win any fight let alone become champion.
@@THEATTKID I couldnt agree. You cant run for two rounds and expect to be a champion
joe talking like Jon was kicking reyes' ass in the final round, jon tried to take down 9 times and reyes defended almost all and the ones he didnt he got right back up soo wtf ??
Doesnt matter. Reyes went down..
You cant expect a submission every time a takedown happens
Zeke Michael
He isn’t being criticized for not submitting him. He is just saying that, anyone can be taken down for a second. It doesn’t count for as much if you can’t keep him there and land a couple shots.
What good is it taking a guy down for 1 second and not even punching once? Pls explain
@@ItzOhhJay no he wasnt
Being took down dosent feel good 😐
all that corey anderson hype just for him to get melted in rd 1 vs Jan.
I was devistated
Dont be sleepin on Jan only because he is not Murican
Dude it's called a hard punch he made a mistake by throwing a kick he's not gonna do that again trust me anyone can get knocked out by that steroded fuck.
@@Malouco what are you talking about jan has never failed a drug test in his career why the fuck do you think he's on steroids??? And by your logic we should disregard his win over walker cause it was an early knockout.
The one issue I have with the 'to the death scenario' is that if there's no breaks between rounds, Reyes would not have stopped and could have killed Jon in the first 15 minutes. The bell is all that stopped Reyes from continuing to go to town on Jon.
the other problem is that fighter fights with number of rounds being in mind. you can't make the argument 'for the death' if there is predefined number of rounds that fighter take into consideration with his strategy.
@@tttyyy949 just do a 25 minute fight with no breaks
Joe "If this was a different time Jon would invade Doms favela on horse back and kill everyone who wasn't fit for work" Rogan
Chicano Enforcer Gaming bet you wouldn’t say that to his face
@Chicano Enforcer Gaming honestly him refusing to acknowledge that you exist is more disrespectful then you saying he sucks
Chicano Enforcer Gaming that kinda goes for everyone tho...
“You gotta BEAT the champ” is the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard, Reyes won 3 rounds and the last time I checked that means you win
he didn't get three,John got it with takedowns as lame as it is that was the deciding factor. Round 5 possible 10-8,they are right in the sense that you HAVE to finish the champ in a close one like that. A decision will always lean in the champs favor in a close fight
Its Clearly Not He Gassed Out Looking for A finish That wasn’t there lmao You are Salty
Jevon Burke ROUND 5 A 10-8?! ARE YOU ON THE SPECTRUM MY G?! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SMOKIN????
I disagree, he won 2. You have a debatable argument but it's not factual, its opinion.
@@jvnbrk Jones ain't take shit down lmao Jon's takedowns got stuffed each time and if you wanna count those half ass take downs where Reyes got up a second after then go ahead
anybody can play the "what if" scenario but at the end of the day the contest was 5 rounds and the scores did not reflect what we saw and Reyes absolutely won by scoring. You cant predict what would have happened in the 10th round if they kept going all you want. Maybe Reyes would have turned it up a notch who knows. Thats why the "what if" scenario is a great talking point but not reality.
Reyes lost the late 2 rounds....did you look at the stats? Reyes barely had most strikes or significant strikes and zero takedown attempts.
@@Themayseffect very true, he lost last 2 rounds but in my opinion, he won the 1st 3 rounds...do we look at this fight as scoring contest since no one got knocked out? Or who has the heart of a champion in the later rounds? Btw im not in any shape or form saying Jones was not impressive, he is a beast make no mistake abt that. But he lost the contest that night, in my opinion.
@@jeffreyabraham7051 Reyes was the toughest opponent Jones has had since Alex (the first fight)... so yea, it does make a strong case. But Reyes lost. I'm not the best person to argue though, i rarely ever call foul for scored fights "that go the wrong way" and certainly championship fights. If the challenger doesn't decisively beat the champion then i immediately rule it as a loss. Reyes did not even remotely "unanimously" win this fight. Looking at the Cody vs Dominic fight is a perfect example of the challenger unanimously winning a fight without a TKO/SUB. The fact the round 2,3 can be seen as open for interpretation here means this clearly that Reyes didn't win. Rd 3 could've been scored either way. Leaving only 1/2 as a win for Reyes and rd 4/5 as a clear loss. Reyes is younger and has less mileage and could not close out the fight.
@@Themayseffect here are the data i pulled on the fight. Reyes landed 23 of 59 punches (38%) compared to Jones landing 17 of 27 (62%) in round one. In the second, Reyes landed 33 of 68 (48%) against Jones' contribution of 22 from 37 (59%). And, in the third, Reyes again landed more with 26 of 45 (57%) while Jones landed 19 of 34 (55%).
It was only in the fourth when Jones snatched the momentum, landing 20 of 34 (58%) compared to Reyes who landed 13 of 41 (31%). In the fifth, Jones landed 26 from 34 strike attempts (76%) compared to Reyes who landed 21 from 46 (45%).
@@jeffreyabraham7051 not sure what this is supposed to prove.... All it shows is that Reyes never dominated the fight...This doesn't account for Octagon control, takedown attempts, significant strikes or head/body/leg strikes.
Cmon joe. Silly analogy’s there. So if I’m winning 3-0 playing football and the players get tired and concede one in the last minute it’s 3-1. Mma is a sport and should be treated like one
It’s fight tho. It’s not playing a game with rules. Unless we let people fight infinite rounds until someone quits. You trying to see who the better fighter is. You may win in the beginning but ultimately lose. It’s how fights go..
Your comments sooo stupid in relation to a fist fight I'm reporting it.
Legend Noel cute
The real winners we’re the casinos. 😂
Yes
They're literally praising Jones for getting hit in the face
AGFB40 right lol these guys both off that DMT
It's because he was actually blocking those shots with his face..
@@erickf5385 Such skill. Amazing.
Most of the shots didn't land because of Jon's defense. You all have never stepped into a cage or understand what you're looking at. His defense won him that fight.
wtf r u talking about? they’re “praising” him for being able to absorb those big shots like nothing happened, we’ve never seen Jon get hit that much... it showed his toughness, u casuals r funny asf 😭
I agree with the overall view that in a really close match “you gotta beat the champ”. GSP and Johny Hendrix comes to mind.
that is true in boxing also thats how it is
true but it wasn't close reyes won and jones was beat.
Thats dumb logic to justify robberies. Why did mighty mouse lose his belt then?
@@niharshastri3519 Jon won. It wasn’t a robbery. People said the same about some of Floyd’s fights. Shut your biased hating ass up. Go cry. Jon is truly the best in the UFC rn.
@@KoalaClimbable jon got spanked for 3 rounds straight
if you win a decision but got your ass kicked the last 4 minutes, how you win the fight?....great point 😂
If the last 2 rounds counted more Reyes would’ve fought differently.
Joe’s judging the fight by his own rules!
Sia Sleopard I disagree! When you are fighting JON JONES, you don’t take any rounds off!!!!! You don’t allow the judges to decide! You got a chance to beat one of the best ever, ya gotta go five rounds!!!!! If Reyes felt he had it won so played it safe, then he definitely deserves to lose!
These fights have always been subjective w numbers. Plying it safe the last two rounds, and I don’t think he did (I think he was tired), is a losing strategy and always has been.
Sia Sleopard he has a good point. Round 3 & 5 make 7 1/2min. Reyes hands down won that fight tho. Dude needs cardio or I think Jon will catch him in 3.
I don’t understand what joe said was making his own rules he literally just asked a question that IF the last 2 rounds counted more you need to open your ears
@@joab757 You idiot Reyes did not get complacent. It was due to him being taken to the deep end. Jones has done Championship fights many times before. Reyes did exactly what he had to do. Pressure him constantly from 1 to 2. It's simply a case of Reyes being gassed out. His explosiveness from 1 to 3 none stop had him fighting on an empty gas tank to 4 and 5. And that's avoiding himself from getting knocked out by Jones
I love Joe but man this is crazy talk. Did Tyson Fury deserve to lose on points because Wilder almost knocked him out in the 12th? Even Joe probably doesn't agree with what he's saying here he just ain't getting any pushback from Rashad.
It’s a five round fight !!! You can’t think of the last round being the be all end all.
true, but it makes sense when you look at it.... if a team in the NBA is winning at the end of each of the first 3 quarters, but is losing at the end of the fourth quarter, they lose.... thats because the sport is judged as a whole, not quarter by quarter... i believe fights should be judged as a whole, not round by round..... makes more sense
Cam Grabert what are you talking about? Each quarter in an nba game is important if you up by 20 coming into the the 4th and lose the 4th by 30-25 just cause you lost the 4th don’t mean you lost the game
@@camgrabert7963 Round by round makes more sense... Except it's a fight to the death.
@@camgrabert7963 that's two different sports dumbass it's not the same
Edwin Borja at least someone understands where I’m coming from!!
Sometimes I clicked the video to hear the "oo oo ah ah" and click off...
Decisions in MMA are like prostate exams, even if you get the result you want it still doesn't feel good.
Joe: he's gigantic
Rashad in sexy voice: I know
danny Boy 🤣
LMAO!
Gaaaaaayyyyy!!! Lol
Keep going
huuuge huuuge
Reyes won.
No
Fuck reyes
If you are going to judge a fight based on who won the last 2 rounds, then what's the point of the point system then? The reason we have points is because without a KO/TKO, the winner would be decided based on how many rounds they won. So to decide the winner based on who won the 4th and 5th round just discredits the whole point of a point system completely
Legend says Joe Rogan is still saying “hes angry”
Jon didn’t even look proud or confident that he won. You can tell he didn’t feel deserving of that win.
lmao shut up casual. Jon knew he won after dominating 4 and 5
@@zainhassam5027 He ain't dominate shit
How can you say that, when he goes and says 4 and 5 should be weighed more? and that jones would have killed reyes if the fight was longer? Dude would suck jone's D if he could. as one of the faces of the UFC the rules should be the rules, don't try to bend them after the fight to justify a bad win.
He knows he lost. He can say all he wants to but his body language has said it all
Darren Mcclean Nah there’s no saving him 😂 He’s clearly a dumbass
reyes wasn't really getting his ass kicked decisively tho. quit justifying the decision.
Joe is bullshitting
Jones was never getting his ass kicked either, go back and watch fight. Reyes was throwing a ton of shots but jones parried and let a lot of shots hit his gloves. I think if the fact that he made Jon Jones look human we all thought he was doing better than he was but went back and watched fight and I actually think jones won.
pauliewallnuttz ive only been able to see the highlights of the fight so I could be wrong so don't kill me if I am, but what was the longest jones was able to hold Reyes down and control him whenever he got a takedown? In the hoghlights it looked as if every time jones did take him down he couldn't do anything and Reyes was back to his feet after not long each time. I'm curious because looks like Reyes defo outstriked jones and the jones' main argument for winning was the takedowns, but like I said looked like he done nothing with them
@@taylor099c8 maybe a minute of control with the best takedown the others 10-20 secs no damage. Reyes was too winded to KO a 15 yr by the 4th and 5th
He didn't perform well enough to get the belt. The challenger has always been required to make a decisive display whether it is boxing or mma. Belts are rarely won by way of non unanimous decisions.
Man stop it Evans. He lost that fight. You give him credit for taking the punches. He lost man. Man people will make excuses for who they like. Dominic absolutely lost the last two rounds but Jines absolutely lost the first three. And even though he was coming forward he was hurt.
Yep.. even Jones knows he lost that damn fight lol
It was a close fight but I thought Dominick Reyes won the first 3 rounds and should have won the fight. I think the loss did something to Dominick Reyes mentally, he was undefeated before this loss and now he has lost 3 in a row since.
It doesn’t matter how good a challenger competes, if they whoop the champ all fight. Because if it goes the distance there’s 99% of the time 1 outcome. It’s rigged
Joe “only train for the last 2 rounds” Rogan
yeah, wont rounds 1-3 be amazing! haha fuck everyone been saying some real dumb shit...
Yeah what Joe says also won't work. Then fighters will run and preserve energy for 3 rounds and go all in for the last 2 rounds... Gonna be boring 3 rounds imo 😀
R H You’re assuming every fight is going to go for 5 rounds. Fighters already pace themselves so they won’t be tired in the 4th and 5th rounds. If you saw Jones and Reyes fight for 1 round it would’ve been a completely different fight
Josh Haley right!!
You know you can still lose a 5 round fight even if you win 3 rounds? That's why 10-8 rounds exist. Bunch of casuals.
"To be the champ you got to really beat the champ". So Jon won because of a rule that doesnt exist? Makes sense ...
Vinícius Baêta unwritten rule in combats sports.
Rashad has actually been in championship fights, i think he knows the rules.
That is full of crap just like Ariel said, they should just be two men in a ring, and the one who does most should be the winner. No you gotta beat the champ definitely to win.
That sounds like Dana White bully bull shit.
"bruuh didn't you see how jon jones were able to take punches without getting k.oed?" come on that's gotta count for something xD
I totally agree with their commentary on the fight.
Rashad responses to Joe rambling about late rounds are killing me
No one ever mentions how discipline Jon is when it comes to not dropping his hands. He always has that one hand up covering his chin. That’s what amazes me.
Steroid-ass
@You Wish you should coach him, I'm sure you know more about that than Jon
@You Wish I'm sure a world champ like yourself can teach so many people all that you know. lol
And the other hand? With the six inch spikes protruding in front of his opponent’s eyes.
its primed so he can poke cunts in the eye at any moment
What’s the point in mentioning if the fight was to the death or school yard fights? That’s not what the rules are. It’s a 5 round fight, each round scored separately. Seems like these “experts” are looking to excuse the decision. Reyes won!
Exactly! It was a very dumb point to bring up. Lets just go back to UFC 1 rules in that case. You cant take rounds off in any combat sport. Even in a 12 round fight. Points are so important, and you never know what the hell the judges are seeing out there.
He was just pointing out the fact that when the fight was over Jones was the fresher fighter meaning dominick didn't damage jones enough in the said first three rounds. He's standing on even grounds.
Stop vilifying Joe to make it seem like everyone was and is still plotting for jones.
Idle Class Hero Joe is cool people but he doesn’t always have the perfect logic. What does looking fresher mean if the man was landing still? Some people are better at absorbing punishment. Reyes landed more every round. Being fresh doesn’t equal a win.
Round three was pretty clearly Reyes imo, round 2 was much much closer though
Exactly. I just rewatched it.. round 2 was the closest round period.. 1&3 Reyes, 4&5 Jones.. rd 2 was Reyes at the beginning landing some shots then jones winning the 2nd half of the round. Jones won the fight due to constant advancement. These judges out too much stock in the advancing fighter. Just like takedowns with no damage done afterwards. Damage is the key no matter what the positioning of the fighters is. The advancing fighter just looks more dominant period. Just like the fighter on top looks more dominant. You still have to land clean shots and inflict damage
The concept of rounds negates the idea that "whoever is winning at the end, should count for more" or "death fight mentality". Sure it was 25 minutes straight of 2 people fighting then you could say that, but there are breaks ever 5 minutes with coaching, cut work and water.
Joe “ohhhh he’s hurt, he’s hurt, he hurt him badly” Rogan
Gr33zzy28 lmaoooo
Joe “ don’t quote me “ Rogan
Come on Joe... Are we scoring rounds or just the last minute of the fight? Listen to yourself man.
He has to spin the narrative. During the fight Joe was constantly talking about how great Jon looked while doing nothing.
"he's fresher he's fresher."
Yeah cuz he's standing still not doing anything. If he was fresher and wanted to win, why not cut the ring off.
Oh was he too tired to cut the ring off but not as tired as Reyes? 😴
@@greuju For real man, everybody talking about cage control when for the first three rounds Reyes footwork kept Jon from cutting him off and doing anything of significance
@@adamcyrus his problem is he doesn't believe Joe is consistent
Y'all dick riders can say what ever yall want, he lost and that's it . 😂
I mean Jon walked out of the fight fine. Reyes needed a wheelchair to take him to an ambulance. I think that says a lot about who won the fight lol.
Joe blunted inside a transparent float-tank in the octagon calling the fight, doing stand up while slinging a kettle bell.
If the fight was to the death, it also would have started differently. Not saying that I know who would have won, but because each round is rewarded equally on the scorecards, this affects how it plays out greatly (fighters modulate their efforts accordingly instead of immediately trying to kill each other or using a different tactic). I feel like 3 rounds to 2, especially if damage is being done in all 3 of those rounds , should result in a win, but that’s just me. I mean, people can rally in the last 2 rounds because they know they only have to go that long, so I don’t get the prioritization.
Reyes should have deliberately lost the first three rounds, then came on strong the last two, according to Joe's school fight logic.
Lmao
He worded it badly but it makes sense. It should have been split decision, not unanimous, but Joe is saying you need to finish strong. Throwing everything you have in the first couple rounds can be cool, but if you get outmatched in the later rounds when fatigue sets in and you have to be a tactical fighter and you cant keep up the judges will always lean towards a fighter that was more dominant late in the fight rather than early.
Ian what are you saying? Do you not understand what a split decision and unanimous means?
@@harmonyinone Jon didn't really put it on him though. He got takedowns but they were short lived and yes he pressured those last 2 rounds. But he lost 3 rounds clearly and if you judge the fight as a whole, Jon lost. He didn't win the 2 rounds in the dominant fashion that Dominic did
agreed agreed agreed, so glad you said it.
Whether it's hit and run, steriods, or score cards, they'll always have different rules for jon jones.
Or the actual Fight rules with eyepokes
You’ve never made a mistake ever and are the perfect human, we applaud you
@@thebubbclub that doesn't make sense he is allowed to constantly break any and all rules but it is okay because Nobody is perfect Sure...
Crosseyed Butterfly them eye pokes ain’t mistakes
@@bigtreecombatacademy2927 those picopictograms ain't either
You prepare for a fight, given the rules for the fight. A 3-round fight is prepared for differently than a 5-round fight. If the fight was 10 rounds, what makes Joe think Reyes would have fought the exact same way?
Also, if you want to play this hypothetical game, why stop at just the number of rounds? Who would have won if there was no breaks every 5 minutes. What if it was a 20 minute round? Would Jon have weathered the early onslaught w/o advice/motivation from his corner or just the brief rest to gather thoughts? These hypotheticals are silly.
It was a close fight. I felt Reyes won, but it wasn’t a robbery. Run it back.
Watch weasels vid on it, it was a clear robbery
If you felt like Reyes won, then why be okay with him losing??
The fight should continue until someone wins. I don’t understand how you can win a fight without winning it. The fact that you can even question who is the winner of a fight proves that no one won the fight.
its weird how we always change the rules for jon jones...
Ali7 no we jus you
It happens with an GOAT legacied athlete. You don't just fight/play the person you fight/play the legacy as well LeBron gets the calls mayweather gets the decisions McGregor gets the leanyency. The legacy is harder to defeat the person tbh
Arczethus lol these tools wanna keep using any excuse they can
@Royce dude you can beat the champ on decision wtf they definitely changed the rules for Jones because that fight was definitely 3-2 everyone saying he kicked his ass in the end so Jones won what about Reyes kicking his ass for 3 rounds but he gassed and survived because he knew he won you are delusional
@@jefferywiser415 you said it best
Joe "But in the school yard" Rogan
Daniel Batancs lol. Wasn’t that how pride used to score their fights ?
@@roundboxfitness3588 yup, pride used to judge fights as a whole which was their reasoning for the 10 min first round. One FC has been starting to experiment with the same type of judging.
Wack. Come up with something new. 👎👎
If it was a school yard, there wouldn't be rounds for fighters to regain composure and catch their breath. Whoever had momentum in the first round most likely would have ended the fight since it is only one round. So that is a false premise.
Thank you so much for having the most appropriate opinion about this fight. Both you became my heroes!
I can listen to these two talk fights all day!
Joe “win 2/5 rounds you’re the champ” Rogan
more like ''win the last 2 rounds you're the champ, school fight rules'' Rogan :D
The last two were clear the third was slightly debatable, the last two are the championship rounds
@@ezmoneytore8940 then change the rules and make the 4 rounds fight not 5
@@ezmoneytore8940 so what? championship rounds dont make you a champion, they're not worth anything more than the other 3 rounds. that's the most stupid argument i've heard someone make
@@medzo8193 not really arguing for the decision just explaining the stance. I personally had the third round a wash, one point either way, with the first two and last two being non-debatable*.
Joe has a crush on Jon. Hes never going to be able to look past it talking fights.
Juiceheads stick together
@@Traypeats Pretty much. Jon Jones will never lose a split decision.
jon also beat Reyes so there's that too
@Big Cat yea okay. if u think Reyes won u literally dont know a thing about MMA at all
Duh, he's a fan of high level mma/combat sports
When we would watch fights after school most of them were under 5 min and you could always tell who won...
Jon Jones wins fights with Single direct attacks that have knock out intention, take downs (ground and pound when he can) and moving back and blocking when defending rushes. That’s the strategy and it’s obviously worked for his whole career . Dominic just didn’t do enough to beat one of the best ever .
3 out of 5. Reyes. He won. Was robbed. Take downs count for points but do no damage. He never put Reyes on his back. Nor could he flatten him. Reyes escapes. Didn’t stay down long. Reyes dominated the standup. So what happened? Jones wins??? Cmon man.
He also rocked Jones in the 4th round. I personallt had Reyes winning 4 rounds.
werthy is my name It was too close of a fight to be a robbery you casual. It was razor close. Many people believe Reyes won. To call it a robbery though shows how little you know about the fight game
Alexander Hayward I personally felt that the 4th was very close between the Reyes and Jones. Even in the beginning of the 4th Dom controlled it for a bit.
Close fight not a robbery bro. Kampman vs Sanchez was a robbery, sonnen vs bisping were robberies.
I like how everyone says "well JBJ couldn't keep him down! He couldn't do any damage!"
Well did Dom do any damage to JBJ with his strikes? No. I'm using your logic here.
“Mindset” and “able to take shots” doesn’t win you a fight lol
Aparently it does 😝😝😄
Yeah, Jones and Rocky both did it. Only difference is that Rocky actually ended the fight 🤣
You’re not getting what he’s saying. He’s saying it was a super close fight so Jon’s ability to push the action late in the fourth and fifth when his opponent couldn’t is the mentality of a champion and shows he’s the better fighter and deserves to be the champ. If it’s a close fight and the challenger can’t dig deep and keep up the fight and the champ does, then the he’s better than the challenger. If that third round had been more dominant by Reyes than he would have gotten the decision but I don’t think a fighter should be able to win three and then fade off and just survive and still win a fight. Jon may have lost the first three but he never stopped pressuring and trying to win but Dominic dropped off in the end unlike the champ. Dom is not the quality of fighter Jon is.
William Akerstrom THANK YOU! Someone who gets it and is not bias, there’s too many butthurt bitches in the comments and you have perfectly explained it
William Akerstrom I get what you’re saying but ufc fights are not scored that way nor should they. It’s 5 rounds, 10 point score system, and you tally up the scores in the end. You win more rounds, you win the fight. That simple. Reyes won 3, Jon 2. This isn’t street rules or “last shot wins” like they do at the park. It’s a score that’s kept. Every round is important, Jon got beat up for most of the fight (3-2) and thus should be declared the loser. This whole “if it would’ve gone 10 rounds” crap like Rogan said is irrelevant because it’s not part of the rules. 5 rounds, score the rounds, add it up, declare a winner. Simple.
Popped for PED's multiple times and getting victories by winning only 2 of 5 rounds, repeatedly?? I think Jon Jones is either dating Dana White or is wearing plot armor.
You're right, Joe: it is a dumb way to think about it. Everyone should hang back in the first three rounds because only the last two matter? Or the last round? Or is it who is on top when the fight ends? This is not sprint cycling.
The rules are scoring by rounds, all of equal value. You are such a smart guy, I never expected you to say something so dumb?
Because Joe knows that the judges aren't very good at their jobs and like to go off of the last 2 rounds.
Also rules : cage domination , agressiv , reyes backpeding get taken down . get exhausted at the last 4/5 most difficult rounds : 3 judges unanimous , yoiu re not judge if you want judge then graduate and try to get a job instead of nonsens casufans opinion