Rhydon-Line Solo Challenge - Pokemon FireRed
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- Опубліковано 15 гру 2023
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1. Only my starter in battle
2. No items in battle, except held items
3. No glitches, exploits, save states, or RNG manipulation
4. No evasion moves before level 100*
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-- *In gen1, evasion boosting is allowed if the Pokemon does it through means other than learning the move by level up or TM. For example, using Mimic or Mirror Move to boost evasion is allowed. (This exception is to keep ranking consistent with my legacy videos.)
-- I am allowed to manipulate my starter
-- I play the game at 4x game speed
-- For fair comparisons all my Pokemon have perfect (or near perfect) DVs / IVs
-- I am allowed to catch HM users - I can use all field moves
-- All in-battle glitches are allowed in generation 1
-- In generation 1, I'm allowed to skip Marowak with the Poke Doll
-- Surge's trash-can-puzzle is automatically solved
-- The bike is allowed in gen1, banned in gen2, and allowed for bypassing terrain in gen3
-- Saving between league members is allowed
-- If the solo Pokemon faints and I choose to blackout it counts towards my reset counter
-- I can pause the game and timer to take breaks
-- The footage is sped up / slowed down to match the pace of my narration
-- The ability Pickup can only be used if the starter has it
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For Misty's Starmie, Rock Blast would've yielded better odds of victory rather than relying on Secret Power. Rock Blast hitting at least three times, stacked with its 80% accuracy gives that a 50% chance of happening, while Secret Power is just a 30% paralysis chance.
I was thinking the same thing。
Yeah definitely was thinking the same, just after he wasnt going to discount the move's value.
I was dying inside thinking that
Exactly what I was going to say. Secret power was taking like 75% of Starmie's hp, Rock Blast could have just killed it a good % of the time.
Why rely on a 50% chance of winning if you have a 100% win chance except for when you get crit or your first move missed. Yes that option was there all along.
Scott .. idk if you're aware of this but in the city with the 3rd gym in the poke center the lady by nurse Joy gives you the VS Seeker which allows you to rematch trainers... It could be useful especially in runs when you run out of trainers to battle
I love the Vs. Seeker, I would spend hours grinding money and experience on Five Island's Resort Gorgeous in the post-game
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@@AzureFlute
I used to do that too!!!
Keep in mind that these playthroughs are many months old now, due to them being exclusive to members for a brief period. ;)
I have to wonder during the grind for Misty if grabbing the VS Seeker in the Vermillion pokemon center would have been faster than wild pokemon grinding.
Shotgun inside me
Probably since trainers have better xp yields
Yeah, he’s probably programmed to play like this is Gen 1 if forgetting to get the Silph Scope is any indication.
VS seeker is life
@@skeetermania3202That's why he's doing these early runs with only 1 attempt! He knows that he's not great at the game yet!
SCOTT.
All you needed to do was to use Rock Blast against Misty. Even a three-hit would've gotten the ohko!
Secret Power against targets neutral to your STAB is not usually the move 😂
(btw I'm loving this series because we get to see you making mistakes again! It's always easy to see the correct moves when I'm here at home and YOU'RE out there playing. But this is the content I fell in love with; Scott getting stubborn and trying the same bad strategy over and over again when there's a clear viable option RIGHT THERE. I love your new stuff, but man, it's so nice to get a throwback moment like this!)
Yup. Two hits of rock blast is already 74 power, better than secret power.
Though I can't blame him. During Rival 2's second fight, Thief missed SIX times in a row despite having 75% accuracy.
@@llSuperSnivyllI saw that, evil pokemon moment
Ironically, the move you discounted at the start of the game would have been an answer to Exeggutor; Megahorn. You would have to learn it in place of Ice bean after Giovani, but you can buy another Ice Beam TM since you had enough money to buy Thunderbolt which in the end did not get used. You might have to teach the second Ice Beam before Lance for the Dragonite in the place of Earthquake, and then use the TM for Earthquake to swap back for the Champion, but that might not even be needed as you still got though with Rock Slide and just tanking an Outrage so might even be better to invest in some Carbos for the speed range on Pigeot. Megahorn still has bad accuracy, so you may still get some resets, but overall it has a better chance of getting through the Exeggutor than waiting for Hydro Pump to miss or a flinch from Rock Slide.
2 Carbos probably would've been enough at the levels he reached
Learns rock blast
“In the past i have definitely disregarded this move’s usefulness but im not going to do that today”
He did, in fact, do that today.
Not sure I understand the numbers correctly, but it looks like a three-hit Rock Blast would have killed Starmie. That should be about 50% (64/125), compared to the 30% paralyze chance.
came here to say the same thing. C'mon scott, where's that detail orientation you always brag about!!!!
For future mons weak to Lorelei, it's worth noting that her Cloyster only has Dive as an attacking move, so if you have Protect it can't hit you and you can set up a Substitute going into the rest of the fight.
A rockblast with 3 hits would've already oneshot the starmie the entire time, it was 75% x 80% to hit, much more likely than secret power paralysis
I'm so happy that you've discovered how Sub strat = best strats :) I didn't know about that Elixir on Route 25. Thank you for including little bits like that.
As after as useful berries go - there's a Lum berry in front of the Pokémon league. It's the small shadow on the left side of the screen as soon as you can turn left exiting Victory Road. It's a nice "cure-all" when facing the 3 different status conditions that Agatha's lead Gengar can throw at you. Thanks for another great video!
If only he went for the round 2 elite 4 like you 😉
@@Chronoflation I've been learning a new game myself. It's definitely a process, going from being super competent/confident in one game to feeling like a new player darn near. I respect the learning process, and I'm so happy to have more FireRed content to watch!
I really like the golem looking pokemon like rhydon,aggron and tyranitar from the early gens.
The newer attempts fall pretty flat for me
Wondering what would be the damage range of 3 rock blast and it that would make Misty more consistent?
Thought the same, that was a pain to watch.
Death, considering 2 hits already is slightly stronger than secret power. Dig is the real question, with net 90 base power. It'd be close, I think, but should do it
I wonder if Rock Blast would be more consistent against Misty. Secret Power has a base power of 70 whereas 3 hits from Rock Blast would equate to 111 base power with STAB. Considering the damage Secret Power did I wouldn't be surprised if 3 hits from Rock Blast would finish it off.
That said I have no idea what the odds are for Rock Blast hitting more then 2 times and of course there is the accuracy to factor in so it might just end up being as inconsistent as fishing for the paralysis.
It’s around a 65% to hit 3 or more times
I love watching your videos I’m watching this one for the second time. It’s oddly therapeutic and calming
WOOOOOOOO lets goooo! This big cutie pie has been my favourite since the beginning, he slow but him chomk and cute
he got under 2 hours, so happy and loved this one! Thanks Scott
This might be a hot take, but the entire Rhyhorn evolutionary line is my favorite in the entire franchise. Very excited to see how Rhydon does! I love its absurdly large movepool
If that includes that abomination from Gen 4, than that's really a hot take. That aside, many people love Rhydon since it's the first of all pokemon.
Rhydon with eviolite it's really good
@@fabizabo I absolutely am including Rhyperior, I don't think it's an abomination, I love it!
Not my absolute favourite but definitely an S tier favourite pokemon selection!
Weakness Policy Rhyperior was crushing competitive in Gen 8 for a while. It may be a bit overdesigned to some, and I do wish it's body was more dinosaur like Rhydon's, but it's a good mon, especially in trick room
First Vigroth and Rydon are two of my fav mons 🙌🏼. I know you have been pushing out a lot of content I appreciate it alot ❤️
Definitely some interesting play in this one. Room for optimization when you come back to these games after you’ve mapped things out, for sure.
I'm enjoying theses so much thank you Scott for your awesome content keep up your awesome videos and I remember I used a ryhdon in one of my team members when I played it I named it Rhino and it was pretty good as a tank as you have said
I'm gonna miss daily December. Really awesome to have a video to watch/listen to in bed every night
Awesome Substitute strats my man!
Love to see it!
On the sixteenth day of December, Scott's Thoughts gave to me:
Giovanni's aces finally winning
The tapirs using hypnosis
The 'King of emerald loafing
A lively mid stage slashing
The Johto trio roaming
Surge's 'Chu with a competent trainer
Classy Cat v Pig Monkey!
A moonstone evolution
The "Rhydon of gen three"
A Pure Power powerhouse
Wattson's ace in Hoenn
'Phan v Ursaring!
A tiny turtle's bubble
The fire starter digging
A garden lizard's leech seed
And those three weirdo mons punching
Wait, what happened to "The tapirs giving hypnosis" like the comment of the previous vid?
@megariderfire1994 thanks! -- was going off of memory today; just fixed
@@shimmianNS Oh you're right. And I can see that, seems consistent so far.
Officially halfway🎉
i wanna give you a few advice that might be useful for a second playthrough of rhydon: for Misty it's more reliable rock blast due to the fact that it hits always harder than secret power; in the vermilion city Pokémon center there's the vs seeker to refight trainers in case you need to grind; last advice instead of keeping ice beam or thunderbolt since two very problematic Pokémon were slowbro and exeggutor, both weak to megahorn i suggest using that move that surely destroys exeggutor due to the quad weakness, and probably kills also slowbro. Anyway love your content, i follow you since you started and seeing that you made so far it's fantastic. Keep it up man❤
The perfect video to prepare me for my upcoming mono-rock run of FRLG! Or mono-ground. That would be much less painful.
Love your videos bro. I will say, I'm finding myself missing some of that classic Scott's thoughts humor. I know you don't want a repeat of the old Grimer video but throw in a couple jokes for us OG's. Love ya bro, Merry Christmas 🎄
talking of "Daily December" here in the West we have a nice little tradition. Some kind of Calender, a Painting whit 24 Doores, one for every Day of December until Christmas. Every Door has a small picture made out of Cocolate in it.
So your Project is basicly a Solo Run Advents Kalender. Nice
I was so happy to see this cause rhyhorn is my fav Pokémon.
Misty and Lorelei are gonna give final boss vibes for poor rhino.
Pretty challenging! Rock/ground Pokemon are really specially frail. But certainly golem line will be a even tougher challenge. That's gonna hurt!
Oh my gosh You're doing my Favourite Pokemon-Line!~ Its a total Honour to watch this episode(just like all your other videos runs) --Go Rhyhorn/Rhydon! 🤎
I'm Rooting for their successful placement!
Great video dude!
MDB also posted a rhyhorn video this is truly an awesome day for solo challenges
Rhydon can be a very useful Pokémon! A great physical wall, and STAB earthquake with that massive attack stat is ridiculously powerful
Big fan of the fire red runs. Especially round 2 runs
These fire red videos are really cool.
Grab the Vs seeker in vermillion poke center from the girl next to Nurse Joy. Then I recommend the bug catch in the route above that has a level 20 butterfree as it gives over 800 XP and not much in the way of attacking moves. Gives good exp yields
If he does this, he better track his EVs
Really unlucky against Misty. Other solution might be a 4 or 5 hit with Rock Blast or the speed decrease by Rock Tomb.
Rock Tomb would have been great to keep, I agree.
3 rock blasts would have killed 4 is unnecessary
Always a great job. Overlay on brocks gym didn't show -1 -2 Def but showed the correct calculation
Wooooo one of my favorite Gen 1 mons
Has anyone else been hearing the occasional high pitched ringing in the fire red videos? I noticed a couple in the hypno playthrough yesterday as well as in todays video at the 15:02 mark
Substitute is super appropriate for Rhydon since the substitute doll kind of looks like a Rhydon
i'm really looking forward to the second run throughs. There are going to be some massive shake ups I reckon. And it doesn't feel right seeing things that could be done differently being left unfixed. Perhaps you could release the first attempts to the Patreons, get their feedback, and then do the second run? Though I guess that's kind of what you have been doing you clever little sausage!
Scott you're a Legend
A girl in the Vermilion city gives you the VS seeker, with that you could ave re-matches with the defeated trainers
I really hope you'll beat the Elite 4 round 2 in the post game, which is the the true end to FRLG !
They have pokemons with a higher level and a better movepool too, which could be really challenging !
Scott, when you finally start using the Vs. Seeker for Pokemon that require extensive training like this, be sure to consider EVs with exp. If you have a choice between peak EXP with bad EVs and decent enough EXP with needed EVs, always go for the EV trainers. Will help with outspeeding Pidgeot later on, or improving a damage roll as needed. Definitely should be included in your optimization stage once your software is up and running for this
Something useful for training in the Gen 3 Remakes: You can get the Vs. Seeker from the Cooltrainer in the Vermillion City Pokemon Center. It might matter for pokemon who struggle with Misty, since it allows for Trainer EXP yields instead of Wild EXP Yields.
I love this Rocky disaster so much
Oh great Scott!!
Channel artist did Rhydon dirty in the thumbnail. Get my man a push-up bra.
Thinking here, what if you kept Megahorn and deleted EQ before Lance then taught it instead of Ice Beam via TM for the champion? That way Exeggutor would not be that much of a pain. Great run nonetheless!
Hell yeah! full dratini line as Arceus intended
Cool Trainer Warren; The People’s Viridian Gym Leader!
My favorite Pokemon. Still waiting for a playthrough in Yellow. Can't wait for it getting obliterated by 4x effective bubble, watergun or razor leaf 😂
He did a Rhyhorn playthrough there already in case you haven't checked that out yet.
@@zenitfan4life I know, thanks! Have watched all his videos for more than 2 years.
I'm specifically excited for rhydon since this big boy is my No. 1 guy in every playthrough.
I can’t wait for when you start doing black and white. I wanna see how you somehow win with both Unfezants 😂
Scott, first of all I agree with many others saying that rock blast for misty is much better than secret power, you could have won earlier. Secondly, i think that bulbasaur would have been a better starter for the rival. Thinking about his alternatives, if he takes squirtle, the grass type will be exeggutor which has a terribile movepool and is not a threat for rhydon. If he take bulbasaur, the water type will be gyarados so 2 threats for rhydon
Edit: i forgot that in 3rd gen exeggutor has a better movepool, i was thinking about red and blue, so nevermind blastoise is fine
Sooo, a few thoughts:
- Erika my beloved
- why not use Megahorn for Alakazam and Eggman?
- haha imagine a special Rhydon 😅
It was a fun video
I can't wait to see how much time you can shave off once you've properly "learned" FR/LG :D
Nice video.
Rhyhorn and Rhydon have kaiju (Godzilla)-theme TM access. That’s why they get surf, blizzard, etc.
Yet they lack the Special Attack to actually take advantage of those moves. At least Ttar has usable Special Attack.
A jolly nature and using rock blast vs misty could've really helped rhydon, a careful nature is also something to consider with all these mons that have very low spdef and speed so they need to end up tanking a hit
I think Scott has explained in the past that neutral natures are used, so it's the Pokemon's capability being tested as opposed to a competitive build as that can skew results due to being an independact factor.
Then again, I suppose Vigoroth and Slaking were Naughty, so maybe I'm thinking of another PokeTuber's rules.
@@tomforge614 i believe you're right and he only does natures for emerald, slaking was actually the one that made me think about using a careful nature first as it has roadblocks that can only be overcome by tanking enough hits
@@alwayskindasleepy69I did the calcs his Rhydon would have ko'ed regardless of the nature in 3 hits at lvl 34, it's a 38% chance for a rock blast to hit 3 times
while mentioning the substitute, I wondered if you could equip the leftovers for some passive healing
but nope... it's essentially blocked off (you NEED to use the itemfinder after beating Snorlax, and you can only get the itemfinder after "obtaining" 30 pokemon, which effectively locks it off for a solo-challenge perspective)
For the Misty fight, is it possible the reason it took so long to get a Paralysis that your muscle memory was so good that you were consistently hitting the exact same frames on each reset?
I always respected GameFreak's bold decision to make Poison Point a 100% chance in FR/LG for the player attacking only
Im not sure where double edge is in FR, but that would've been decent vs return in some situations when considering rock head :p
Hey Scott, what about hasty nature and a few speed eevees in diglet would that help reduce tine?
Would love to see you do elite 4 round 2 for frlg
Considering the main weaknesses that cause you grief are special and the critical outspeeds were narrow, I think a Careful or Jolly nature would have helped a fair bit in this case.
Scott you beat summoningsalt today for first video I want to watch 😅
Maybe a tip for a future Rhydon playthrough, a special defense or speed boosting nature could probably really work in it's favor. Either moving first more, or living a hit better. Maybe something to consider.
Nature is a 10% modifier
30 base something only goes up to 33
It's best used to make the pokemon better at what he's good at
But it's true that rhydon just needed a few speed point multiple time so.. maybe
@@ryomaanime4563 Remember that natures have a bigger impact than you think. While of course 10% of a low stat is not great, it's still something. Maybe just enough to outspeed some things or to live mainly Starmie's water pulse more consistently.
Why is mega horn weird it has a horn and does so much damage on grass types
What is with Slowbro in gen 1? ❤
when you make the Tier list with the Post game and harder League??
Does the rivals name affect their pokemon (natures, ev's,etc.)
You are the best
Why was sandstorm against special attackers ever tried? The sp D boost would be pretty beneficial no?
The first Pokémon.
20:42 Berries have a chance of respawning every 1500 steps. You do have an unlimited amount of berries in the playthroughs.
*Obi-Wan Kenobi’s voice*
The Rock Blast Scott. Use the Rock Blast against the Starmie Scott.
I look forward to the one day in the future optimized run where you realize that rock blast is way better than secret power for Misty since it would definitely take out Starmie in 3 hits, which is the majority of the time when it lands, and Dig might even just barely be able to get a 1 hit (this will require testing), and that Megahorn is WAY better late game than fire blast, both using your more powerful physical attack, being super effective against all the psychic types in the league, and 4x for Exeggutor, and is basically neutral at worst for everything Lorelai and Champion
Dig vs Misty's Starmie surely OHKOs? 90 pwr stab and she misses her second attack?
Why don’t you use the vs seeker to level up instead of wild pokemon?
For Misty, I feel like you could just black out instead of resetting every time you lose. It might be a bit more time between tries, but the exp would have helped.
11:00 do remember that you have a move that can 1 shot starmie... Rock blast
I know you did this play though a while ago but pidgeys and ratattas give speed evs for future references
If cloyster used dive, is there an interaction where Rhydon’s Earthquake could hit it?
If a second playthrough were to be done in the distant future...who here believes a maybe Hasty nature (not really sure about Jolly in this case despite it's horrendous special attack) would've been ideal for the Rhydon line in Fire Red?
Also, I'm sure you would really like Pinsir...while yes, probably not good because early game Brock. It has the Hyper Cutter ability to block Feather Dance and Intimidate, it has good coverage (Rock Slide, Earthquake, Brick Break), and it knows Bulk Up and Swords Dance. I'm sure it would also be pretty decent overall and it's one of the more underrated Pokemon in Fire Red IMO.
When you were at lvl 32 or lvl 34 at Misty you could have gone for Rock Blast!! It would need a couple of attempts but would have been much faster than secret power
Secret Power isn't a contact move, it would probably help keeping it around till you're done with poison point mons
Scott getting poisoned and casually walking to a random to to pull out an antidote. The boss moves of a player who has memoriesd hidden item locations.
I am already concerned that substitute will be overused. We will see.
One thing you can do that i've noticed you don't - both Snorlaxes have 100% chance to hold a leftovers, which regenerates your pokemons a little bit over time, and i do believe it's powerful enough to cancel out poison. You should be able to catch a snorlax (and it's a good HM-slave) or just use Thief on it to steal the item anyway
The snorlaxes actually hold chesto berries. To get the leftovers you need to use the ItemFinder on the spot where slorlax was. As this is a solo challenge, he can't catch the 30 pokemon needed to recieve the ItemFinder from Oaks Aide
After you beat the rival on the SS Anne you said you needed to battle against wild Pokemon? So you get an item from the NPC in the Vermillion City Pokemon Center called the VS Seeker. You use it and nearby trainers have a chance to respond, get an exclaimation point above them, and you can rebattle them! I challenged the two trainers above the city which both give Speed EVs, which I feel like could've helped especially in the early game. It's also a good way to get more money too!
I can't believe you didn't call out the rival's pidgeotto!
Pidgeotto: *uses one sand attack, then spams damaging moves*
Ryhorn: *misses thief 6 times in a row*
1 in 4000 odds. Not to mention missing the first rock tomb, and an 80% range on the second one to OHKO pidgeotto. Admittedly you got some good luck that fight too, but that is half of raw shiny odds just missing theif
Am I going nuts or did Scott not go over why he went for Squirtle over Bulbasaur?
I expect Bulbasaur would be the harder battle since you end up getting double intimidated by Gyarados and Arcanine.
wouldnt a 4 hit rockblast killed starmie too?
3 hits were already enough
Ahh yess, slowbro the ground/rock type pokemon 😂
This is an unusual Yellow Slowbro run 🤔
OH HEY ITS RHYDON NEATO.
I'm getting Aggron Emerald vibes here... Hope you picked a speed+ nature and maxed the EVs on speed....
Ey the first pokémon ever made and its pre-vo
Ya know, I was really expecting Erika to be a lot worse. Glad to see I was wrong!