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  • The Verge's Nilay Patel and David Pierce chat with Switched on Pop's Charlie Harding about the RIAA lawsuit against AI music startups Udio and Suno. Later, Nilay and David discuss the rest of this week's tech and gadget news.
    Further reading: www.theverge.com/2024/6/28/24...
    00:00 - Intro
    04:52 - RIAA vs AI startups
    07:42 - Music industry's history with copyright
    17:02 - AI music outputs
    34:01 - Fair Use and market impact
    41:53 - The Internet's Impact on the music industry
    50:26 - Upcoming Phone Announcements
    55:33 - The State of Foldables
    01:01:12 - Lightning Round
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  • @tayjn
    @tayjn 29 днів тому +115

    I love the 5ergecast

    • @6lack5ushi
      @6lack5ushi 29 днів тому +1

      Hahaha this made me laugh so hard in the train!!! 😊😂

    • @violetscomet
      @violetscomet 29 днів тому +3

      yooo celeste pfp

    • @Maxible
      @Maxible 29 днів тому

      Best comment.

    • @danielkoo9696
      @danielkoo9696 28 днів тому

      GeneVis

  • @Ollerismo
    @Ollerismo 28 днів тому +9

    Nilays legal knowledge makes this the best podcast to navigate the AI age

  • @LeleSocho
    @LeleSocho 29 днів тому +21

    I was thinking “oh i wish someone would mention Hatsune Miku in this conversation about virtual music stars” and Nilay delivered like a champ, for this i forgive you four mispronouncing RiscV

    • @Im_Ryan
      @Im_Ryan 25 днів тому

      Tbf if I just saw “RiscV” on a paper I would assume it was an STD

  • @Purple_Hayes
    @Purple_Hayes 29 днів тому +5

    David we need a dedicated dog cam

  • @SquidVorb
    @SquidVorb 29 днів тому +7

    34:55 I regret to inform Nilay that the original quote he's trying to remember is:
    “You have to be lucky all the time. We only have to be lucky once.”
    And it was originally made by the IRA after a failed attempt to assinate Margaret Thatcher.

  • @robertwilcox9566
    @robertwilcox9566 29 днів тому +10

    Please state your name for the court.
    🎶Jason Derulo🎶

  • @gfgrimm
    @gfgrimm 28 днів тому +4

    Nilay, we actually walk around the office and pronounce it as “Risk Five.” Thanks for atoning for your sins.

    • @reckless1280
      @reckless1280 28 днів тому +1

      You have to tell me everything about your office

    • @gfgrimm
      @gfgrimm 25 днів тому

      @@reckless1280 You could describe my workplace as a hardware development vault for consumer electronics devices. There is an enlightened subgroup of architects, electrical engineers, and firmware engineers working on product architectures that include RISC-V IP. However, I'm unsure whether our colleagues from other disciplines would land in the "five" or "vee" camp. Time for an office poll I guess.

  • @ijimkoz
    @ijimkoz 29 днів тому +5

    You guys rock. Keep doing what you are doing.

  • @danielkoo9696
    @danielkoo9696 29 днів тому +7

    I still call WWDC "World War 600"

    • @GordonChaffin
      @GordonChaffin 29 днів тому +1

      All the cool vets at the VFW hall call it "Dub Dub"

    • @reckless1280
      @reckless1280 28 днів тому +1

      This is incredible

  • @howaboutudance
    @howaboutudance 29 днів тому +1

    vergecast, the flagship podcast of slashdot nerds (current and former)

  • @wil5367
    @wil5367 29 днів тому +4

    udio and suno allow users to input specific lyrics to be used in the generation, which is why I think these songs have word-for-word lyrics similarities.

    • @rproaudio1
      @rproaudio1 29 днів тому +2

      I don't think it autogenerated "Jason Derulo" seems like someone inputted that via lyrics

    • @swr410
      @swr410 27 днів тому

      They get to the specific prompts that were used around 27:30. I don’t think these prompts used lyrics.

  • @robertwilcox9566
    @robertwilcox9566 29 днів тому +7

    I am a computer engineer, and I am who reads RISC-V out loud.

  • @moramento22
    @moramento22 27 днів тому

    Thank god for David's dog, we now know that the background is actually real and live

  • @nocturnus009
    @nocturnus009 29 днів тому +1

    RISC technology, dropped in casual conversation during the party scene at Kate Libby’s House in Hackers (1995)… “Gonna get myself connected, the writings on the WALL!”

  • @ZachChen1996
    @ZachChen1996 29 днів тому +2

    Nice shout out to Charli XCX

  • @swr410
    @swr410 26 днів тому

    Nilay, please really do ask RJ about how soon the Rivian R3X can happen. I love that car design!

  • @makhalid1999
    @makhalid1999 29 днів тому +3

    2:43 one of my friends was once like "What is this "R-I-S-C-V""

  • @TheBauertech
    @TheBauertech 29 днів тому +3

    It is funny how Apple used Roman numerals for 10 but then went back to number for 11 and on. Consistency is key and then did not have it

  • @em.a.httpss
    @em.a.httpss 28 днів тому +1

    I've thought about Hatsune Miku for years. Part of the difference I perceive is that the character is not really a singular entity as much as it is a platform. Real human producers with a distinguishable style who people know the name of share their work through the HM brand. I think that's one of the primary reasons fandom has bloomed around it.

  • @MrUrsulvlad
    @MrUrsulvlad 28 днів тому

    Was the a Grindr ding in the background at 1:12:46? 😂😂😂

  • @U2haveanicedayty2
    @U2haveanicedayty2 28 днів тому +1

    Awesome Podcast.Hope you guy's have a wonderful 4th Stay Safe.Also was wondering where Alex was hopefully on Vacation.Enjoy 💯✌️

  • @bradenfitzpatrick8352
    @bradenfitzpatrick8352 28 днів тому

    I’m at Uni for electrical engineering. There are a persistent few of us who actually talk about RISC-V in normal conversation

  • @mrapollo_17
    @mrapollo_17 29 днів тому +3

    I can't believe AI is what made me be on the side of record labels

    • @TheManinBlack9054
      @TheManinBlack9054 25 днів тому +1

      You really should not, it is a very misguided stance to take. You might not like what comes of it.

  • @MikeAbili
    @MikeAbili 28 днів тому

    I’m surprised that The Verge didn’t at least do a quick Google search to see that RISC-V is said to”risk five” before hand and that there were other RISCs before the fifth one. Each previous RISC used roman numerals as well.

  • @RodXLeon
    @RodXLeon 25 днів тому

    Brah. The latest Jason Derulo song, Morning, is 👌

  • @Target135
    @Target135 21 день тому

    I love the Vergecast and I only listen to / watch it on UA-cam. I do wish you guys would incorporate a little more graphics to the podcast. I feel like you rarely ever put an image of a product or device you’re discussing in the video. You’ll just be talking about it and describing it and I end having to stop what I’m doing when I care enough to google it. Would be nice if you showed the viewing audience what you were talking about more.

  •  29 днів тому +1

    I like the story about James Cameron possibly stealing plot from one Outer limits episode for Terminator (James denied it). Thats why you see "Acknowledgment to the Works of Harlan Ellison" in Terminator credits. Lawyers..

  • @sullivan4052
    @sullivan4052 29 днів тому +2

    1:16:59

  • @brandonreed09
    @brandonreed09 29 днів тому

    Samsung has already provided several AI features in their newest phones. Apple definitely wasn't first nor have they even provided the features yet.

  • @SuprBestFriends
    @SuprBestFriends 29 днів тому +5

    Shout out to all the nerdy kids who grew up in the middle of nowhere WI 🎉

  • @JonConstruct
    @JonConstruct 29 днів тому

    The AI James Brown sounded like Wilson Pickett

  • @NotAGoodFit
    @NotAGoodFit 29 днів тому

    Hey I want a Blurple watchband too... so I can feel like I belong, y'know? 😅

  • @Ollerismo
    @Ollerismo 29 днів тому +1

    Mericas tech podcast

  • @antoniospappas2575
    @antoniospappas2575 26 днів тому

    Trigger Warning: Jason Derulo

  • @franklingoodwin
    @franklingoodwin 29 днів тому +1

    Before everyone gets up in arms about AI music remember it brought us BBL Drizzy. I'm going in (no Diddy)

  • @Druac
    @Druac 29 днів тому

    My favorite thing about AI music are all the "I asked AI to make a country song" videos on UA-cam! :)

  • @stevematta
    @stevematta 26 днів тому

    Copywrite laws will change from Ai, and sorry, it won't be on the side of the individual artist but the corps. Too much of the future economy will be based on Ai.
    Once was, will be no more.

  • @ChadBlanchard23
    @ChadBlanchard23 29 днів тому

    It's pronounced dearth.

  • @voodoochild420ai
    @voodoochild420ai 29 днів тому

    cool vid

  • @TheDiymovies
    @TheDiymovies 29 днів тому

    Booo David nooo if a preferred name is given then use it!

  • @disco-terror
    @disco-terror 29 днів тому

    You're doomed, doomed!

  • @fiddlefiver
    @fiddlefiver 29 днів тому

    I cant make the difference between real music and 1 and 0 sounds hahah , I'm not a music enthousiat looool

  • @aroddragon11
    @aroddragon11 29 днів тому +1

    First

  • @midnightpaintings
    @midnightpaintings 28 днів тому

    The doomerism behind musicianship and AI is bizarre. For one, we've had this conversation before with the introduction of MIDI, virtual instruments and popular EDM. Did they destroy physical instrumentation? I mean, not really. Rock as a genre certainly does not carry as much clout in the mainstream world anymore, but streaming has shown that instrument-driven music is still incredibly popular.
    Fact is, humans have a bias for organic creations. Did digital art destroy oil painting? No, in fact digital art still struggles to demand the same level of respect as physical art. Same with EDM and virtual-instrument driven music. Is Kendrick Lamar popular? Yes. Does his music carry the same cultural prestige as, say, Led Zeppelin? No. And I hate Led Zeppelin, but what I'm illustrating is that modern popular music that relies heavily on virtual instrument is still seen as ephemeral and artificial.
    Of course, the fact that pop music is what's at stake here, I can't say I feel sorry for any producer or songwriter that feels their job is threatened by AI. AI isn't magic, it can only regurgitate what it's trained on, and modern pop is often incredibly derivative. What this technology will be very good at is writing 100 of the same songs with Pitbull shouting his name over them in slightly different affectation. To these music producers, I would suggest writing more meaningful music.

  • @artman40
    @artman40 29 днів тому +1

    If music industry wins, we lose.