The music industry’s AI fight | The Vergecast
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- The Verge's Nilay Patel and David Pierce chat with Switched on Pop's Charlie Harding about the RIAA lawsuit against AI music startups Udio and Suno. Later, Nilay and David discuss the rest of this week's tech and gadget news.
Further reading: www.theverge.com/2024/6/28/24...
00:00 - Intro
04:52 - RIAA vs AI startups
07:42 - Music industry's history with copyright
17:02 - AI music outputs
34:01 - Fair Use and market impact
41:53 - The Internet's Impact on the music industry
50:26 - Upcoming Phone Announcements
55:33 - The State of Foldables
01:01:12 - Lightning Round
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I love the 5ergecast
Hahaha this made me laugh so hard in the train!!! 😊😂
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Best comment.
GeneVis
Nilays legal knowledge makes this the best podcast to navigate the AI age
I was thinking “oh i wish someone would mention Hatsune Miku in this conversation about virtual music stars” and Nilay delivered like a champ, for this i forgive you four mispronouncing RiscV
Tbf if I just saw “RiscV” on a paper I would assume it was an STD
David we need a dedicated dog cam
34:55 I regret to inform Nilay that the original quote he's trying to remember is:
“You have to be lucky all the time. We only have to be lucky once.”
And it was originally made by the IRA after a failed attempt to assinate Margaret Thatcher.
Yikes.
Based on
Well shit
Please state your name for the court.
🎶Jason Derulo🎶
Nilay, we actually walk around the office and pronounce it as “Risk Five.” Thanks for atoning for your sins.
You have to tell me everything about your office
@@reckless1280 You could describe my workplace as a hardware development vault for consumer electronics devices. There is an enlightened subgroup of architects, electrical engineers, and firmware engineers working on product architectures that include RISC-V IP. However, I'm unsure whether our colleagues from other disciplines would land in the "five" or "vee" camp. Time for an office poll I guess.
You guys rock. Keep doing what you are doing.
I still call WWDC "World War 600"
All the cool vets at the VFW hall call it "Dub Dub"
This is incredible
vergecast, the flagship podcast of slashdot nerds (current and former)
udio and suno allow users to input specific lyrics to be used in the generation, which is why I think these songs have word-for-word lyrics similarities.
I don't think it autogenerated "Jason Derulo" seems like someone inputted that via lyrics
They get to the specific prompts that were used around 27:30. I don’t think these prompts used lyrics.
I am a computer engineer, and I am who reads RISC-V out loud.
Thank god for David's dog, we now know that the background is actually real and live
RISC technology, dropped in casual conversation during the party scene at Kate Libby’s House in Hackers (1995)… “Gonna get myself connected, the writings on the WALL!”
Nice shout out to Charli XCX
Nilay, please really do ask RJ about how soon the Rivian R3X can happen. I love that car design!
2:43 one of my friends was once like "What is this "R-I-S-C-V""
Now that is a uvio prompt
It is funny how Apple used Roman numerals for 10 but then went back to number for 11 and on. Consistency is key and then did not have it
I've thought about Hatsune Miku for years. Part of the difference I perceive is that the character is not really a singular entity as much as it is a platform. Real human producers with a distinguishable style who people know the name of share their work through the HM brand. I think that's one of the primary reasons fandom has bloomed around it.
Was the a Grindr ding in the background at 1:12:46? 😂😂😂
Awesome Podcast.Hope you guy's have a wonderful 4th Stay Safe.Also was wondering where Alex was hopefully on Vacation.Enjoy 💯✌️
I’m at Uni for electrical engineering. There are a persistent few of us who actually talk about RISC-V in normal conversation
I can't believe AI is what made me be on the side of record labels
You really should not, it is a very misguided stance to take. You might not like what comes of it.
I’m surprised that The Verge didn’t at least do a quick Google search to see that RISC-V is said to”risk five” before hand and that there were other RISCs before the fifth one. Each previous RISC used roman numerals as well.
Brah. The latest Jason Derulo song, Morning, is 👌
I love the Vergecast and I only listen to / watch it on UA-cam. I do wish you guys would incorporate a little more graphics to the podcast. I feel like you rarely ever put an image of a product or device you’re discussing in the video. You’ll just be talking about it and describing it and I end having to stop what I’m doing when I care enough to google it. Would be nice if you showed the viewing audience what you were talking about more.
I like the story about James Cameron possibly stealing plot from one Outer limits episode for Terminator (James denied it). Thats why you see "Acknowledgment to the Works of Harlan Ellison" in Terminator credits. Lawyers..
1:16:59
Samsung has already provided several AI features in their newest phones. Apple definitely wasn't first nor have they even provided the features yet.
Shout out to all the nerdy kids who grew up in the middle of nowhere WI 🎉
The AI James Brown sounded like Wilson Pickett
Hey I want a Blurple watchband too... so I can feel like I belong, y'know? 😅
Mericas tech podcast
Trigger Warning: Jason Derulo
Before everyone gets up in arms about AI music remember it brought us BBL Drizzy. I'm going in (no Diddy)
My favorite thing about AI music are all the "I asked AI to make a country song" videos on UA-cam! :)
Copywrite laws will change from Ai, and sorry, it won't be on the side of the individual artist but the corps. Too much of the future economy will be based on Ai.
Once was, will be no more.
It's pronounced dearth.
cool vid
Booo David nooo if a preferred name is given then use it!
You're doomed, doomed!
I cant make the difference between real music and 1 and 0 sounds hahah , I'm not a music enthousiat looool
First
Why?
When?
The doomerism behind musicianship and AI is bizarre. For one, we've had this conversation before with the introduction of MIDI, virtual instruments and popular EDM. Did they destroy physical instrumentation? I mean, not really. Rock as a genre certainly does not carry as much clout in the mainstream world anymore, but streaming has shown that instrument-driven music is still incredibly popular.
Fact is, humans have a bias for organic creations. Did digital art destroy oil painting? No, in fact digital art still struggles to demand the same level of respect as physical art. Same with EDM and virtual-instrument driven music. Is Kendrick Lamar popular? Yes. Does his music carry the same cultural prestige as, say, Led Zeppelin? No. And I hate Led Zeppelin, but what I'm illustrating is that modern popular music that relies heavily on virtual instrument is still seen as ephemeral and artificial.
Of course, the fact that pop music is what's at stake here, I can't say I feel sorry for any producer or songwriter that feels their job is threatened by AI. AI isn't magic, it can only regurgitate what it's trained on, and modern pop is often incredibly derivative. What this technology will be very good at is writing 100 of the same songs with Pitbull shouting his name over them in slightly different affectation. To these music producers, I would suggest writing more meaningful music.
If music industry wins, we lose.