@@purplesamurai5205 I think Ocelot is a lot like Snape. He's a horrible sadistic person, who also does some very heroic self-sacrificial actions. Fans often think his heroic actions are a redemption, but they're really not. He's just a person who has a mix of good and very bad qualities. I'm not sure that Ocelot advocated for total anarchy. He willingly became Liquid Ocelot, and Liquid Ocelot advocated for total anarchy, somewhat similarly to the original Liquid Snake. It's unclear to me how much Ocelot would endorse Liquid Ocelot's particular agenda. We never get a very clear sense of the exact relation between Ocelot's true motives, Ocelot's "Liquid" persona that he transplanted onto himself, and the original Liquid Snake (who Liquid Ocelot was sort of a Venom Snake-esque copy of). The truth about Liquid Ocelot (hypnosis & nanomachines) was a pretty contrived last-minute plot twist, but it does raise a lot of lore and character questions that I find interesting to think about.
@@Megaritz Snake and Ocelot are different in a very important way. Snake isn't a sadist, like Big Boss he doesn't enjoy pain and simply enjoys the thrill of battle. Also, we do know anarchy was Ocelot's motive by MGS4 because it was confirmed somewhere (it's heavily implied in game) that Liquid was beaten out of Ocelot and by the end it was Ocelot talking.
@@Megaritz I think we can pretty cleanly assume that the ideal of complete anarchy described by Ocelot at the end of 4 was spoken by Revolver, not Liquid. He says in the English version that it's "our father's dream" but in the original Japanese, he just says it's "father's dream", which could go either way... until you remember that Big Boss didn't want to create a world of anarchy, he wanted to create a world united against a common foe, which is a world he got for a brief moment in 1995 and again in 1999. Indeed, Big Boss' dream was far more similar to The Joy's dream of a world without borders. However, Ocelot's dream is more of a world made of nothing but borders, the exact opposite of The Joy's dream, a world not of peace and joy, but of war and sorrow. "Father" being The Sorrow makes a lot more sense to me personally than Big Boss, if for no other reason than because Ocelot was Big Boss' best friend and it'd make zero sense for him to misunderstand Big Boss' dream.
@@1sdani That's Dead Vector's theory. I completely disagree with his idea of The Sorrow, but the fact still is that Ocelot's speech doesn't really match up with Big Boss, Zero, or The Boss. If anything, it matched Armstrong.
I remember having to go to work during that 71 min cut scene thinking its going to end any min now... ended up just pausing it and coming back 10 hours later
Tbh, both endings of MGS1 are kinda canon in MGS2. In the beginning of MGS2, Snake uses the stealth camouflage to get onto the Tanker. At the end of MGS2 after meeting up with Raiden on Arsenal Gear, he tells him “if you run out of ammo, you can have mine” which Raiden responds “you got enough” and Snake confirms this by saying “absolutely. *points at bandana* Infinite ammo”. Pretty interesting and just realized this not too long ago despite playing every game multiple times
@@Pablojunior2006 for sure. Just explaining my observation. Also, it’s rather odd that Snake has Meryl’s dog tags (if playing MGS2 on easy difficulty) even though she’s still alive (for gameplay, fine. But irl? Having someone else’s signifies their death)
It's very likely that Kojima intended for the Otacon ending to be canon because he liked the Snake/Otacon dynamic better than the Snake/Meryl dynamic. It's also very likely that Rose and Campbell in MGS2 weren't actually ever supposed to be the real Rose and Campbell. But it's also very likely that in order to tie everything together neatly, Kojima had to slightly retcon these decisions for MGS4, because he wanted to have MGS4 be a big "reunion" celebrating the series as a whole.
@@cleverman383 Yeah honestly when MGS2 first came out it seemed that the ending where Meryl dies was Canon, I even read in the MGS2 strategy guide that Snake and Otacon escaped Shadow Moses Island together
@@texasgent4694 Yeah honestly the start of MGS2 showing Snake and Otacon have been working together ever since Shadow Moses (with no mention of Meryl) is pretty telling
When "Snake Eater" started playing during the fight with Ocelot, I started crying like a two year old. Never in the history of video games will there be another moment like this... Sometimes you just want to erase your memory in order to re-experience MGS in all its glory.
Phantom Pain spoilers: Sunny totally avenged Strangelove. I don't care. She did. She helped make the virus that carried out The Boss's will. I like to believe that Strangelove's ghost would be restless until The Boss's will was carried out.
And things that are theoretically possible but you would definitely die if you tried it. Also explosions and dudes are more interested in machines than chicks
They run out of budget for voicing the enemies that you interrogate even mgs3 had it the cutscenes were on the budget too like i said even the better mgs games had actual cutscenes i don’t want to deal with piece of shit base complicated base system codec but worse censor for blood dumbfuck throwing enemies that you chokebold instead of walking with them mgs3 gameplay but worse
Peace Walker is great, but you have to understand that it was a PSP game, meaning that it's meant for handheld. "Pick up and put down" gameplay. 3-5 minute long missions. Cutscenes are mostly replaced with audio tapes that you can hit play on and then put the PSP in your pocket and listen to the tapes on your headphones for 15 minutes. A business minigame that you're meant to put a few minutes of time into every so often for a long stretch of time. Essentially, you're meant to play it for 10-40 minutes at a time, rather than in long stretches like other Metal Gear games. It's been released for console now, but the entire structure of the game was made with it being a game you play for a little while at a time that it might feel a bit jarring trying to play it for hours at a time.
Peacewalker coop multiplayer was fucking hype. I thought the game was decent until you realized it was actually a game designed for multiple players. We will pass missions one after another until we got to the hard af ones were you need actual good items. Then grind is shortened if you had friends though. Unfortunately this game isn't as popular anymore so playing it after 2013 feels bare and not as fun
The B&B unit is a commentary on sequels. They're not just FOXHOUND, they're Dead Cell, and they're the Cobras' emotions. Each member has the name of a FOXHOUND animal and the same fighting style, the emotion and trauma of a Cobra member, and are expendable tools like Dead Cell. They also each have a weapon from a Dead Cell member - Laughing Octopus has Solidus' tentacles and P90, Raging Raven has Fatman's bombs, Crying Wolf has Fortune's railgun, and Screaming Mantis has Vamp's knives. The whole point of these characters is that they are too much. For a long time people thought MGS4 was nostalgia bait until Peace Walker and MGSV came out, where Kojima proved that he can actually write different kinds of stories and validated the idea that a lot of MGS4's content was a commentary on how people rely on series' crutches when making new entries. It feeds into the "war has changed" idea, since a lot of the metaphors involving Snake and the world also apply to Kojima and the gaming industry. Maybe Drebin and their backstories are convoluted, but that's also the point. Don't get me wrong, the execution is not perfect. MGS1-MGS3 were written by Kojima and Tomokazu Fukushima, which gives them a unique quality and cadence compared to the rest of the series written by Kojima and Shuyo Murata who joined on MGS3 and continued throughout the series, although MGSV did include two other writers. Not saying that Kojima can't write, but Fukushima gave the series a more natural delivery of dialogue compared to MGS4 and MGS5. Again, I do think Kojima did this intentionally to make the world feel even more alien, which fits in with MGS2 and MGSV's ideas about how language and information can control reality, but it still could've been done better.
The thing that gets me about the MGS4 discourse & using the whole "Kojima didn't want to do MGS4" thing is in almost all those discussions, people leave out that he said the same thing after 2 came out, 2 was going to be the final installment he directed at the time. 3 also allegedly was going to be the final MGS game he would direct, so I hate using that point against 4 considering that was a trend that happened after literally EVERY Metal Gear he directed post-2 with the exception of Peace Walker. And nowadays 3 is considered the best installment of the franchise by the majority of fans, so I really hate using that talking point against 4 to attack it when this has been the trend since 2001.
Hell, even back in the 80's he didn't wanna make a sequel to the original MSX game until a dev working on Snake's revenge asked him to make a real sequel
@@cleverman383 i mean yeah in order of release. And i can see how Peace Walker is 5. But Ground Zeroes is a Stand at lone expansion at BEST. Man i swear MG fans are as bad as Tool fans when it comes to the details
@@entimomenti7055 Ground Zeroes is literally a full priced game, and I put just as many hours into it as I did in Phantom Pain. Just because the two games use the same engine doesn't make them the same game.
@@cleverman383 ground zeroes is not a full priced game, it cost far lower than TPP upon release and for good reason. AFAIK it was intended by Kojima to be a free tech demo for TPP, kind of like P.T., but Konami decided to charge for it. Ground zeroes serves as an overture to the real star of the show which is TPP, by setting up its story and giving the player a mini sandbox to experiment with over and over again. Together the 2 games form a complete package.
there's some licensed stuff in MGS4 that would make it hard to keep it all in I think. The same thing happened with MGS1 where later releases took out the archived footage of bombs used in exposition cutscenes I think, only played PS1 original and PC. plus it being a PS3 exclusive with a lot of things done exclusively for the console (like the gags during the Screaming Mantis fight) would make no sense elsewhere. But most realistically, Konami doesn't care and have either lost the gold source copy like with other games or really still want to be petty against KojiPro.
The MGS4 Rex's Lair version, is absolutely dope! I usually play it before I'm about to make a serious decision, like convincing myself to spend money I don't have and think about the consequences later.
It was one of those moments that it really felt like an nostalgic heroic game they just don't make games like that anymore even to this day I still listen to some of the music though I've played this game so many times that it's basically old music now
I love MGS4, it will always have a soft spot for me as it was my introduction to MGS series. Might seem weird but it's a good intro, it basically gives you a look into this completely insane world and characters, and then begs you to go play them all from the beginning to find out how things got this way.
Interesting take, it's certainly the last game I'd recommend to a first time player for obvious reasons so it's cind of cool it didn't scare you off. I came in at MGS on PS1 back in 98/9 And things get complicated fast.
@@jedaaa Yeah I certainly would feel strange recommending it as the very first game, but then again I wouldn't recommend against someone playing it as their first either.
For me it was the exact opposite MGS1 was my first game in the MGS Series, which I'm thankful for because having played MGS1,MGS2 and MGS3 prior to MGS4 added so much weight to just how epic this story was, and it also added to the sense of sadness I felt knowing that it was Solid Snake's last ride, when Ocelot died at the end I KNEW it was truly over
@@jedaaa MGS2 was my introductory game- that I played in elementary school. A good deal of the themes went over my head then, but I was still deeply engrossed in it. Even then, I could tell there was a lot of substance to the message that was out of my grasp, but still found a lot to love with the cinematography, badass moments, and action. Then, several years later in high school when I reflected on it- I got a second wave of appreciation for the game as I had learned more about politics, war, art, and human psychology. What a fantastic game, honestly.
@KBird204 mate this comment is one of the best endorsements of MGS2 Ever!! I was 21 when It came out and I still love listening to what it had to say!!
Peace walker is low key one of the best games in the series. It also has the best single track with heavens divide which comes in at the last spot you would expect yet still hits pretty hard. I recommend the hd collection version but word of warning it does a button mash torture sequence that is the hardest in any game I've ever played.
The problem with Raiden in MGS4 is that he becomes cool. This undermines the theme of MGS2 which is about following your own destiny or whatever. Instead of becoming his own man Raiden chooses to follow in the footsteps of Grey Fox and Olga Gurlukovich by becoming another cyborg ninja. IMO the story would have been better focused on Solid Snake and Ocelot with less supporting characters adding to the cutscene runtime. Did we need to see Otacon bone Naomi or Meryl get married to the dude with irritable bowel syndrome? Was a monkey wearing a diaper smoking cigarettes really relevant to the plot?
He wasn't the same as snake tho, and he was raised as a soldier so he'd inevitably come back to the battlefield. Then mgr makes it about his bloodlust and not being able to live normally anymore despite its goofy moments, so... It's a kojima game so yeah goofy shit had to ensue somewhere. CAPTURE ALL OF THE MONKEYS
@@ghostwhencodghosts9114 Trust me brotha, i love MGS4 but if you add up the total gameplay time its pretty short. That sucks because the game mechanics are amazing and feel good. The most balanced MGS game between cutscenes and gameplay hands down goes to Snake Eater. The original too but Snake eater is the formula at its peak. Search within, you know this to be true. 😁
@@visceraeyes525 Both 4, Peacewalker, and Phantom Pain have jank stories in my opinion, but it's still the canonical story. I am purely a MGS 1-3 chap in terms of story. Don't you want more of this guy's sweet content?
I'm intrigued that you found the excessive amount of guns to contradict the anti-war message of the game. Imo it furthered the idea that war is a business in this world and pretty much engulfs the world.
I'll always prefer On-Site Procurement from a gameplay perspective, but from a story and thematic perspective? The fact that you can just easily get any weapon you want at any time by spending a little cash? That's the war economy, baby!
@@cleverman383 Ah I see, you had issue with the gameplay, I agree with that. I was going to say, it fits perfectly with the anti-war message of the game thematically. Great vid tho
@@ivangordienko8081 The controls are kinda crappy but once you get used to it. It's not really that bad. Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops have way worse controls
The biggest problem with this game is that it's really hard to play. 3 and Peace Walker can be emulated well on a midrange PC, the rest is available on PC as well. An emulator playthrough toom 30 horus for me, 10 of those hours were troubleshooting and the end result was still compromised. The other option is to get a PS3 but that's almost a retro console at this point.
@@Thebiggrease For me it was 20-30. I could have gotten over that but there were sound issues and from Chapter 4 it crashed on multiple random locations all the time. Or with certain actions, in the Rex-Ray fight, it crashed immediately when I tried to use any weapons. At the end I had to give up when it crashed in an unavoidable hallway in the final chapter. Finished it on UA-cam, luckily the end is mostly just cutscenes. If hey made a remastered version I'd buy it right away.
@@sandorbence2067 emulating this game is hell but honestly I don’t regret it, the 30-40fps average I had is so much better than wasting $150ish on a PS3 getting 20-25fps
@@lolcat i've thought about it many times but personally i will just wait as PS3 emulation is advancing at an astonishing rate and I'd much rather use my PC, Vita or PS5 instead of getting another console
Peace walker is part of the cannon, but it didn't age well graphically and the controls are weird, but that's just because it was for the PSP. Ground zeroes and 5 are brilliant... I wish they would remaster them all to ps5. But use twin snakes for replacing 1
Death Stranding is a much better game than MGS4, and I'm saying this as a huge MGS fan. I went back and tried to play MGS4 recently, and it's just...bad. Perhaps it would be better if they remastered it, and made it playable on PS4, PS5, and PC.
100% agree. It's endlessly rewatchable for a 3-hour video, and makes for a comfy listen on road trips. His analysis ruined most other video essays for me. There's something about his mode of speaking, editing, pacing, and writing style that appears unique to him. Also, to address some of the criticism on his video: News flash -- it's an ANALYSIS, not a review. Steak's video is not meant to gauge whether you should buy MGS4. Rather, it's meant for those who have played it and want to reflect on their experience through a different perspective.
great video. funnily enough this was my first metal gear solid game (not the first I played just the first I beat.) I then played 1, 2, and 3 afterwards but I will say the gameplay was still really fun
I must have played MGS 1 remake at least ten times, and metal gear solid three, at least four to six times, but Metal Gear Solid 4? I know I played it, but to be honest, I hardly remember it, I spent more time randomly watching the fight on the submarine on UA-cam, than actually going back to this game. This game now feels like some phantom midday slumber dream to me. Only remembered because of this vide, and yes, I started cooking eggs by covering the pan, as this game taught me... That was before the Tiktok era though, now I know dozens of ways to cook a simple egg.
I love how you can interpret MGS4 as Kojima making a 4d chess self sabotage to tie up every loose end in his series by putting movies into it and also make commentary on sequels drying up the source material until it becomes a parody of itself or he just did a large goof up
I think you should do Peace Walker. I played the whole series for the first time this summer and Peace Walker really stood out, and might even be my favorite. It sets the stage for V and even does some gameplay things better. If you just do the story and epilogue, it's fairly short, but S ranks and post game content is a grind. Oddly enough, that's the stuff I liked the most. I played on 360, although I did play it for a bit on PSP, but I can't imagine aiming with digital face buttons for the entire game, along with the other weird controls, and also load times. If you wanted to try co-op as well, I'm available, and totally not just trying to get the last few achievements I need, lol.
Well done, you are an excellent narrator. I been watching a lot of mgs lore and some creators are just so dry. I find your telling entertaining and direct check out metal gear solid explainded exactly like that there a simler creator your better
Oh boy that emulations cracking 🤣 Yes, do Portable Ops Yes I know you said Peace Walker, metal gear fans are toxic. They'll tell you to avoid good games because of *insert reasons here*. So just play it yourself then PW
Mgs4 picked up by a non metal gear fan is confusing and unplayable "oh cool I guess I'll try it it's free with my ps3.....................wtf is this shit in most games I play stealth cause it's different but oh I get no option here this is stealth only well that's boring why do I even have a gun in the beginning of the game? Literally only good for revealing your location no option to play differently at all" takes out mgs4 never plays it again
As a fan of Metal Gear Solid, Sons Of Liberty and Snake Eater, I really enjoyed Guns Of The Patriots. I'd rather play MGS4 over any modern game. Even the Metal Gear Online which I recently played on PC is more fun than newer games that I've played.❗🐍
Ocelot was the true hero in the end, he managed to make the boss' dream real.
Ocelot advocated for total anarchy, to a scale not even Big Boss did. He was also a sadist, who enjoyed torturing people.
@@purplesamurai5205 I think Ocelot is a lot like Snape. He's a horrible sadistic person, who also does some very heroic self-sacrificial actions. Fans often think his heroic actions are a redemption, but they're really not. He's just a person who has a mix of good and very bad qualities.
I'm not sure that Ocelot advocated for total anarchy. He willingly became Liquid Ocelot, and Liquid Ocelot advocated for total anarchy, somewhat similarly to the original Liquid Snake. It's unclear to me how much Ocelot would endorse Liquid Ocelot's particular agenda.
We never get a very clear sense of the exact relation between Ocelot's true motives, Ocelot's "Liquid" persona that he transplanted onto himself, and the original Liquid Snake (who Liquid Ocelot was sort of a Venom Snake-esque copy of). The truth about Liquid Ocelot (hypnosis & nanomachines) was a pretty contrived last-minute plot twist, but it does raise a lot of lore and character questions that I find interesting to think about.
@@Megaritz Snake and Ocelot are different in a very important way. Snake isn't a sadist, like Big Boss he doesn't enjoy pain and simply enjoys the thrill of battle. Also, we do know anarchy was Ocelot's motive by MGS4 because it was confirmed somewhere (it's heavily implied in game) that Liquid was beaten out of Ocelot and by the end it was Ocelot talking.
@@Megaritz I think we can pretty cleanly assume that the ideal of complete anarchy described by Ocelot at the end of 4 was spoken by Revolver, not Liquid. He says in the English version that it's "our father's dream" but in the original Japanese, he just says it's "father's dream", which could go either way... until you remember that Big Boss didn't want to create a world of anarchy, he wanted to create a world united against a common foe, which is a world he got for a brief moment in 1995 and again in 1999. Indeed, Big Boss' dream was far more similar to The Joy's dream of a world without borders. However, Ocelot's dream is more of a world made of nothing but borders, the exact opposite of The Joy's dream, a world not of peace and joy, but of war and sorrow. "Father" being The Sorrow makes a lot more sense to me personally than Big Boss, if for no other reason than because Ocelot was Big Boss' best friend and it'd make zero sense for him to misunderstand Big Boss' dream.
@@1sdani That's Dead Vector's theory. I completely disagree with his idea of The Sorrow, but the fact still is that Ocelot's speech doesn't really match up with Big Boss, Zero, or The Boss. If anything, it matched Armstrong.
I remember having to go to work during that 71 min cut scene thinking its going to end any min now... ended up just pausing it and coming back 10 hours later
that hurts
Tbh, both endings of MGS1 are kinda canon in MGS2. In the beginning of MGS2, Snake uses the stealth camouflage to get onto the Tanker. At the end of MGS2 after meeting up with Raiden on Arsenal Gear, he tells him “if you run out of ammo, you can have mine” which Raiden responds “you got enough” and Snake confirms this by saying “absolutely. *points at bandana* Infinite ammo”. Pretty interesting and just realized this not too long ago despite playing every game multiple times
Both otacon and meryl survive in the first ending and he still gets the infinite ammo so I think that ending is cannon
@@Pablojunior2006 for sure. Just explaining my observation. Also, it’s rather odd that Snake has Meryl’s dog tags (if playing MGS2 on easy difficulty) even though she’s still alive (for gameplay, fine. But irl? Having someone else’s signifies their death)
It's very likely that Kojima intended for the Otacon ending to be canon because he liked the Snake/Otacon dynamic better than the Snake/Meryl dynamic. It's also very likely that Rose and Campbell in MGS2 weren't actually ever supposed to be the real Rose and Campbell. But it's also very likely that in order to tie everything together neatly, Kojima had to slightly retcon these decisions for MGS4, because he wanted to have MGS4 be a big "reunion" celebrating the series as a whole.
@@cleverman383 Yeah honestly when MGS2 first came out it seemed that the ending where Meryl dies was Canon, I even read in the MGS2 strategy guide that Snake and Otacon escaped Shadow Moses Island together
@@texasgent4694 Yeah honestly the start of MGS2 showing Snake and Otacon have been working together ever since Shadow Moses (with no mention of Meryl) is pretty telling
When "Snake Eater" started playing during the fight with Ocelot, I started crying like a two year old. Never in the history of video games will there be another moment like this... Sometimes you just want to erase your memory in order to re-experience MGS in all its glory.
Well, It is clear you are not far from being two years old.
Man you got me wanting to go back and binge play through the MGS Series again! Lol
Phantom Pain spoilers:
Sunny totally avenged Strangelove. I don't care. She did. She helped make the virus that carried out The Boss's will. I like to believe that Strangelove's ghost would be restless until The Boss's will was carried out.
Isn’t this more of a Peace Walker spoiler?
@@Just_normal_youtube_channel technically both
MGS4 is like the eventuality of the Fast and Furious franchise. It's all about family.
And things that are theoretically possible but you would definitely die if you tried it. Also explosions and dudes are more interested in machines than chicks
That's what makes it so powerful.
The game was a joke of loading screens and cell processor failure
This is the best comparison, both franchises started out relatively normal and got absolutely crazy in the later installments.
@@nin_tendo6458 insert Tim Allen grunting sounds
DO NOT skip peace walker. It's very important and easily in the top 3 best MGS games
The game was too shit and boring i HAD TO delete it man but i will try again
They run out of budget for voicing the enemies that you interrogate even mgs3 had it the cutscenes were on the budget too like i said even the better mgs games had actual cutscenes i don’t want to deal with piece of shit base complicated base system codec but worse censor for blood dumbfuck throwing enemies that you chokebold instead of walking with them mgs3 gameplay but worse
Peace Walker is great, but you have to understand that it was a PSP game, meaning that it's meant for handheld. "Pick up and put down" gameplay. 3-5 minute long missions. Cutscenes are mostly replaced with audio tapes that you can hit play on and then put the PSP in your pocket and listen to the tapes on your headphones for 15 minutes. A business minigame that you're meant to put a few minutes of time into every so often for a long stretch of time.
Essentially, you're meant to play it for 10-40 minutes at a time, rather than in long stretches like other Metal Gear games. It's been released for console now, but the entire structure of the game was made with it being a game you play for a little while at a time that it might feel a bit jarring trying to play it for hours at a time.
Outside of PSP Peacewalker fucking sucks as a game, better just just watch a playthrough on UA-cam
Peacewalker coop multiplayer was fucking hype. I thought the game was decent until you realized it was actually a game designed for multiple players. We will pass missions one after another until we got to the hard af ones were you need actual good items. Then grind is shortened if you had friends though. Unfortunately this game isn't as popular anymore so playing it after 2013 feels bare and not as fun
The B&B unit is a commentary on sequels. They're not just FOXHOUND, they're Dead Cell, and they're the Cobras' emotions. Each member has the name of a FOXHOUND animal and the same fighting style, the emotion and trauma of a Cobra member, and are expendable tools like Dead Cell. They also each have a weapon from a Dead Cell member - Laughing Octopus has Solidus' tentacles and P90, Raging Raven has Fatman's bombs, Crying Wolf has Fortune's railgun, and Screaming Mantis has Vamp's knives.
The whole point of these characters is that they are too much. For a long time people thought MGS4 was nostalgia bait until Peace Walker and MGSV came out, where Kojima proved that he can actually write different kinds of stories and validated the idea that a lot of MGS4's content was a commentary on how people rely on series' crutches when making new entries. It feeds into the "war has changed" idea, since a lot of the metaphors involving Snake and the world also apply to Kojima and the gaming industry. Maybe Drebin and their backstories are convoluted, but that's also the point.
Don't get me wrong, the execution is not perfect. MGS1-MGS3 were written by Kojima and Tomokazu Fukushima, which gives them a unique quality and cadence compared to the rest of the series written by Kojima and Shuyo Murata who joined on MGS3 and continued throughout the series, although MGSV did include two other writers. Not saying that Kojima can't write, but Fukushima gave the series a more natural delivery of dialogue compared to MGS4 and MGS5. Again, I do think Kojima did this intentionally to make the world feel even more alien, which fits in with MGS2 and MGSV's ideas about how language and information can control reality, but it still could've been done better.
The thing that gets me about the MGS4 discourse & using the whole "Kojima didn't want to do MGS4" thing is in almost all those discussions, people leave out that he said the same thing after 2 came out, 2 was going to be the final installment he directed at the time. 3 also allegedly was going to be the final MGS game he would direct, so I hate using that point against 4 considering that was a trend that happened after literally EVERY Metal Gear he directed post-2 with the exception of Peace Walker. And nowadays 3 is considered the best installment of the franchise by the majority of fans, so I really hate using that talking point against 4 to attack it when this has been the trend since 2001.
Hell, even back in the 80's he didn't wanna make a sequel to the original MSX game until a dev working on Snake's revenge asked him to make a real sequel
Yes you have to do peace walker, its essential for the story of 5
It's literally the fifth installment. V is for venom.
Peace Walker is the 5th game, Ground Zeroes is the 6th game, and Phantom Pain is the 7th game.
And yes, Ground Zeroes IS its own game.
@@cleverman383 i mean yeah in order of release. And i can see how Peace Walker is 5. But Ground Zeroes is a Stand at lone expansion at BEST. Man i swear MG fans are as bad as Tool fans when it comes to the details
@@entimomenti7055 Ground Zeroes is literally a full priced game, and I put just as many hours into it as I did in Phantom Pain. Just because the two games use the same engine doesn't make them the same game.
@@cleverman383 ground zeroes is not a full priced game, it cost far lower than TPP upon release and for good reason. AFAIK it was intended by Kojima to be a free tech demo for TPP, kind of like P.T., but Konami decided to charge for it. Ground zeroes serves as an overture to the real star of the show which is TPP, by setting up its story and giving the player a mini sandbox to experiment with over and over again. Together the 2 games form a complete package.
That carti adlib that played when u mentioned vamp was jus what I needed for Christmas
The real question is why haven’t we got a remaster or hd for the love of god this game should be on steam at the very least 😢
there's some licensed stuff in MGS4 that would make it hard to keep it all in I think. The same thing happened with MGS1 where later releases took out the archived footage of bombs used in exposition cutscenes I think, only played PS1 original and PC.
plus it being a PS3 exclusive with a lot of things done exclusively for the console (like the gags during the Screaming Mantis fight) would make no sense elsewhere.
But most realistically, Konami doesn't care and have either lost the gold source copy like with other games or really still want to be petty against KojiPro.
The MGS4 Rex's Lair version, is absolutely dope! I usually play it before I'm about to make a serious decision, like convincing myself to spend money I don't have and think about the consequences later.
It was one of those moments that it really felt like an nostalgic heroic game they just don't make games like that anymore even to this day I still listen to some of the music though I've played this game so many times that it's basically old music now
I love MGS4, it will always have a soft spot for me as it was my introduction to MGS series. Might seem weird but it's a good intro, it basically gives you a look into this completely insane world and characters, and then begs you to go play them all from the beginning to find out how things got this way.
Interesting take, it's certainly the last game I'd recommend to a first time player for obvious reasons so it's cind of cool it didn't scare you off.
I came in at MGS on PS1 back in 98/9
And things get complicated fast.
@@jedaaa Yeah I certainly would feel strange recommending it as the very first game, but then again I wouldn't recommend against someone playing it as their first either.
For me it was the exact opposite MGS1 was my first game in the MGS Series, which I'm thankful for because having played MGS1,MGS2 and MGS3 prior to MGS4 added so much weight to just how epic this story was, and it also added to the sense of sadness I felt knowing that it was Solid Snake's last ride, when Ocelot died at the end I KNEW it was truly over
@@jedaaa MGS2 was my introductory game- that I played in elementary school. A good deal of the themes went over my head then, but I was still deeply engrossed in it. Even then, I could tell there was a lot of substance to the message that was out of my grasp, but still found a lot to love with the cinematography, badass moments, and action. Then, several years later in high school when I reflected on it- I got a second wave of appreciation for the game as I had learned more about politics, war, art, and human psychology. What a fantastic game, honestly.
@KBird204 mate this comment is one of the best endorsements of MGS2 Ever!!
I was 21 when It came out and I still love listening to what it had to say!!
Peace walker is low key one of the best games in the series. It also has the best single track with heavens divide which comes in at the last spot you would expect yet still hits pretty hard. I recommend the hd collection version but word of warning it does a button mash torture sequence that is the hardest in any game I've ever played.
It's the worst one
Peace Walker is my favorite game in the series, but MGS4 is beautiful wonderful game! I'm glad you liked it!
MGS4 was my first MG. Yes, it was a drawn out mess. But I was starved of drawn out messes, so it was beautiful. I'll never forget it.
I like PW and V but it's hard to argue that 4 didn't end the series well.
The problem with Raiden in MGS4 is that he becomes cool. This undermines the theme of MGS2 which is about following your own destiny or whatever. Instead of becoming his own man Raiden chooses to follow in the footsteps of Grey Fox and Olga Gurlukovich by becoming another cyborg ninja.
IMO the story would have been better focused on Solid Snake and Ocelot with less supporting characters adding to the cutscene runtime. Did we need to see Otacon bone Naomi or Meryl get married to the dude with irritable bowel syndrome? Was a monkey wearing a diaper smoking cigarettes really relevant to the plot?
He wasn't the same as snake tho, and he was raised as a soldier so he'd inevitably come back to the battlefield. Then mgr makes it about his bloodlust and not being able to live normally anymore despite its goofy moments, so...
It's a kojima game so yeah goofy shit had to ensue somewhere. CAPTURE ALL OF THE MONKEYS
The money smoking cigarettes was relevant to the plot and necessary for the game.
hey, the monkey drinks soda too
and he dances around
Yes, yes and yes. 😂
I thought this would be 4 hours long thank you for being sane
I love the 4 hour long Metal Gear videos.
MGS4 just needed a bit more gameplay for it to be perfect.
It had multiplayer
It is perfect the most perfect game ive ever played in my life
@@ghostwhencodghosts9114 Trust me brotha, i love MGS4 but if you add up the total gameplay time its pretty short. That sucks because the game mechanics are amazing and feel good. The most balanced MGS game between cutscenes and gameplay hands down goes to Snake Eater. The original too but Snake eater is the formula at its peak.
Search within, you know this to be true. 😁
It's one of my favorites. Holds a special place for me.
Definitely do Peace Walker. It's integral to setting up Phantom Pain.
integral to setting up the objectively worst game in the franchise at this point? great...
@@visceraeyes525 from a story perspective but gameplay wise it's one of the best stealth games ever
@@visceraeyes525 As I often mention, MGS V is the best FarCry game ever made.
@@visceraeyes525 Both 4, Peacewalker, and Phantom Pain have jank stories in my opinion, but it's still the canonical story. I am purely a MGS 1-3 chap in terms of story. Don't you want more of this guy's sweet content?
@@sem_akiGameplay wise, 5 isn't bad but it's still not as good as 3 or 4
A close second as my favourite game. MGS 1 (nostalgia)
This game was a whole experience. Only Kojima can execute such a unique experience wiht intense engaging gameplay
Do peace walker as well
I'm not asking.
I'm intrigued that you found the excessive amount of guns to contradict the anti-war message of the game. Imo it furthered the idea that war is a business in this world and pretty much engulfs the world.
I'll always prefer On-Site Procurement from a gameplay perspective, but from a story and thematic perspective? The fact that you can just easily get any weapon you want at any time by spending a little cash? That's the war economy, baby!
@@cleverman383 Ah I see, you had issue with the gameplay, I agree with that. I was going to say, it fits perfectly with the anti-war message of the game thematically. Great vid tho
Yeah you should do Peace Walker too. It's a very interesting game for the PSP
There are probably very crappy controls
@@ivangordienko8081 The controls are kinda crappy but once you get used to it. It's not really that bad. Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops have way worse controls
The biggest problem with this game is that it's really hard to play. 3 and Peace Walker can be emulated well on a midrange PC, the rest is available on PC as well. An emulator playthrough toom 30 horus for me, 10 of those hours were troubleshooting and the end result was still compromised. The other option is to get a PS3 but that's almost a retro console at this point.
I was able to play it through at about 40-60 fps
@@Thebiggrease For me it was 20-30. I could have gotten over that but there were sound issues and from Chapter 4 it crashed on multiple random locations all the time. Or with certain actions, in the Rex-Ray fight, it crashed immediately when I tried to use any weapons.
At the end I had to give up when it crashed in an unavoidable hallway in the final chapter. Finished it on UA-cam, luckily the end is mostly just cutscenes. If hey made a remastered version I'd buy it right away.
@@sandorbence2067 emulating this game is hell but honestly I don’t regret it, the 30-40fps average I had is so much better than wasting $150ish on a PS3 getting 20-25fps
get a ps3 there's many unported fantastic games like infamous 1 and 2
@@lolcat i've thought about it many times but personally i will just wait as PS3 emulation is advancing at an astonishing rate and I'd much rather use my PC, Vita or PS5 instead of getting another console
OMG NEW BIGDEA VID !!!!! i love your mgs videos !
if I had to play a metal gear game which one should I start off with? I've never played one before but watching these vids makes me wanna play it.
3 is the best one to start with, its canonically the first one, and the gameplay is the second best in the series in my opinion.
I suggest 1, because it’s the best. But imagine you’re in 1998 when you play it 😊
Start from 5, 4 tops.
Then walk your way backwards.
Release Order but skip the 80s games - start with Metal Gear Solid on the PS1
Play mgs1. Then don't play the rest.
Calling TP the best game ever is seriously the most nuclear shit take I've ever heard lmao
WHAT!! I barely learned that you can share items with friendly PMC soldiers
This video made me wanna replay the whole MGS saga in its entirety. Well, now that I think about it, I'm not sure about V...
Great stuff!
Peace walker is part of the cannon, but it didn't age well graphically and the controls are weird, but that's just because it was for the PSP.
Ground zeroes and 5 are brilliant... I wish they would remaster them all to ps5.
But use twin snakes for replacing 1
Death Stranding is a much better game than MGS4, and I'm saying this as a huge MGS fan. I went back and tried to play MGS4 recently, and it's just...bad. Perhaps it would be better if they remastered it, and made it playable on PS4, PS5, and PC.
Steak’s video on MGS is the end-all be-all video essay, putting every other attempt to shame.
100% agree. It's endlessly rewatchable for a 3-hour video, and makes for a comfy listen on road trips. His analysis ruined most other video essays for me. There's something about his mode of speaking, editing, pacing, and writing style that appears unique to him.
Also, to address some of the criticism on his video: News flash -- it's an ANALYSIS, not a review. Steak's video is not meant to gauge whether you should buy MGS4. Rather, it's meant for those who have played it and want to reflect on their experience through a different perspective.
Bro your video was so funny 😭 thanks for making my evening and happy new year!
Do peace walker, because of the funny final boss theme
Damn boi, you hit the algorithm. Start pumpin em out.
Coming out with another classic MGS video
legend, thanks for saving me from getting spoiled. I bought all the games recently, I'm gonna binge it soon on ps3!!
you know you gotta do the yakuzis after doing the meal bears (also yes do peac walker pls)
Just want to say, you make really good content and deserve a bigger audience. Great vid too!
It should be a war crime that this game is not on any other platform
btw that mg4 vid is iconic unironically necessary to watch if you like the game
Resident evil 4 is best. Review it. Enjoy it. Feet reveal also.
the carti adlib at 8:13 took me out completely
Can we have a REMAKE in 2023 ?!!!!!
This is guy is real similar to Steak Bentley
Edit: well nvm he mentions him by name.
That carti what had me
5:47 I think most people in this era relate too sunny.... ironic.
Teenage me loved the Beauty segments of the B&B fights 😂
great video. funnily enough this was my first metal gear solid game (not the first I played just the first I beat.)
I then played 1, 2, and 3 afterwards but I will say the gameplay was still really fun
I must have played MGS 1 remake at least ten times, and metal gear solid three, at least four to six times, but Metal Gear Solid 4? I know I played it, but to be honest, I hardly remember it, I spent more time randomly watching the fight on the submarine on UA-cam, than actually going back to this game.
This game now feels like some phantom midday slumber dream to me. Only remembered because of this vide, and yes, I started cooking eggs by covering the pan, as this game taught me... That was before the Tiktok era though, now I know dozens of ways to cook a simple egg.
Isn't pp the best and worst mgs game?
I love the carti reference
I love how you can interpret MGS4 as Kojima making a 4d chess self sabotage to tie up every loose end in his series by putting movies into it and also make commentary on sequels drying up the source material until it becomes a parody of itself
or
he just did a large goof up
opt. 1
kojima dickriding is wild a lot of times. but he’s js not the typa guy to fuck up like that.
5:36 got me fucking laughing lmaoo
Do not skip peace walker its such a good game!
This was a nice video... you're pretty good!
*subscribes*
I’m not the biggest Zelda tbh so I won’t have any Zelda games in my Top 10 Games of All Time list
PEACE WALKER. Go for it dude!
I wish they'd re-release this for ps4/5 SO MUCH
MGS4 Was my introduction to the msg games and kojima. It may not have been the best msg but my lord what a wild ride of a game it was. masterpeice
I Breath Through my Skin
You were joking about that first part right. I’ve never seen that before
The carti adlib 😂
WOAHHHH!!! THIS VIEDO IS SO COOL!!! I CANT WAIT FOR THE DEATH STRANDING ONE!!!
2:33 is that the better call saul secretary? Never noticed that lmao
It’s funny he was apparently so sick of the series he wanted to ruin it, then makes 2 more games afterwards anyway
I've played all MGS games, I noticed that MGS V is pretty generic and forgettable. MGS 4 however, I still remember everything
I absolutely love this game as qell as GTA IV and Fallout 3. I do not smoke crack for breakfast.
I'd be interested to see your opinion on Peace Walker especially since it laid a lot of the groundwork for MGSV
Did you do portable ops and portable ops plus? I’ll take a look in your videos
guys i personmally know bigdea tell me what videos you want and i will force him to do it!
Please don’t
Peace walker is important don't skip it I'd watch it
I think you should do Peace Walker.
I played the whole series for the first time this summer and Peace Walker really stood out, and might even be my favorite. It sets the stage for V and even does some gameplay things better. If you just do the story and epilogue, it's fairly short, but S ranks and post game content is a grind. Oddly enough, that's the stuff I liked the most. I played on 360, although I did play it for a bit on PSP, but I can't imagine aiming with digital face buttons for the entire game, along with the other weird controls, and also load times. If you wanted to try co-op as well, I'm available, and totally not just trying to get the last few achievements I need, lol.
3:14 jfc 😂
Well done, you are an excellent narrator. I been watching a lot of mgs lore and some creators are just so dry. I find your telling entertaining and direct check out metal gear solid explainded exactly like that there a simler creator your better
please do peace walker
You should do peace walker
Oh boy that emulations cracking 🤣
Yes, do Portable Ops
Yes I know you said Peace Walker, metal gear fans are toxic. They'll tell you to avoid good games because of *insert reasons here*. So just play it yourself then PW
portable ops fucking sucks ass
I have deep secret, Meryl was my secret crush of all time....~ 👉👈
Peace Walker is my favorite do it
i love your videos. please do peace walker.
Mgs4 picked up by a non metal gear fan is confusing and unplayable "oh cool I guess I'll try it it's free with my ps3.....................wtf is this shit in most games I play stealth cause it's different but oh I get no option here this is stealth only well that's boring why do I even have a gun in the beginning of the game? Literally only good for revealing your location no option to play differently at all" takes out mgs4 never plays it again
thats seems to be the consensus on youtube anyway
its either the worst or the best
Legendary video man best video in the world man
Raiden became such a badass lol
Mgs4 had the unfortunate burden of being the last of a long franchise. I say though despite its flaws it’s ending is perfect.
As a fan of Metal Gear Solid, Sons Of Liberty and Snake Eater, I really enjoyed Guns Of The Patriots. I'd rather play MGS4 over any modern game. Even the Metal Gear Online which I recently played on PC is more fun than newer games that I've played.❗🐍
You gotta do peace walker
Where do I get those farting noises 3:15
peace walker cuz kaz
Peace walker is easily the dumbest game in the series (in a good way), please review it
Still got my copy
MGS4 is in my algorithm and im glad. Love this game
5:05 WHERE THE FUCK DO I GET MGS:4
Still my favorite metal gear game besides mgs1