That scene with Wesley and Worf is easily one of the best in the show. 🙂 "He reads love poetry ... he ducks a lot." I always liked Worf best when his funny side showed.
The "Klingon Love Poetry" bit spawned a thing at a Chicago-area sci-fi/fantasy convention (perhaps others too) where the Klingon cosplayers gather to read love poetry and hurl massive objects (made of foam) at each other.
The other teenage girl who appears in an early scene speaking to Salia is played by Mädchen Amick, who not long after this landed a major role playing Shelly Johnson on _Twin Peaks._
I thought that was her. She was great on Twin Peaks, elevating what was relatively a lackluster character compared with some of the others. In the hands of a lesser actress, Shelly would have been mostly forgotten.
Goldberg made that character a success by underplaying Guinan. She speaks quietly & casually. Her body language is 'low key'. She suggests little hints about Guinan without ever going too far, or being too specific.
The Dauphins were the heirs to the French throne, kinda like the Princes of Wales are the heirs to the British throne. The name comes from their Coat of Arms, a dolphin.
The only thing I really remember about this episode is the fake flirting between Riker and Guinan. I have Riker's monologue memorized and can confirm those lines do in fact work.
12:42 "We've All 16, Or However Old He Is" At the time this episode was filmed, Wil Wheaton and subsequently his character of Wesley Crusher was 17. I know this due to the fact that I share my birthday with Wil Wheaton, and I was 18 at the time that this episode originally aired
Will Wheaton has mentioned that one of the problems with the Wesley character is he didn't have anyone his own age to show him being a kid with. He would have benefited from a reoccurring "best friend" character. Afterall what 15 year old boy is so comfortable asking adults for advice all the time. I know when I was 15 the adults around me didn't have a clue as to what I was up to and I would rely on bad advice from my same age friends. Being stupid is what being a teenager is all about. I've always felt Will Wheaton gets more criticism then he deserved - Wesley at this point is just poorly written.
ya, a case of adults writing a kid. I like the idea of a super smart kid, who makes mistakes but isn't a detriment to the crew because he is smart and well meaning. He's better written later on in the show.
I grew up on a military base outside the USA that had lots of civilian contractors with their families there. It was very common for families to plan to change jobs and move back to the USA when their older kids started getting close to high school age. While there was a high school out there, the class sizes got smaller and smaller, with 7th-9th grades being around 30-40 students and 12th grade only having about 8-12 kids. I imagine families on the Enterprise were similar, transferring off when their kids got older, which explains why not many kids Wesley's age.
I always thought of this as the Roman Holiday episode because of the similar story of a sheltered Royal experiencing the outside world alone for the first time
This is one of those little light episodes I’ve always enjoyed. Of course, at the time it aired, I was roughly Wesley’s age, so I could definitely identify with the story. It’s also fun with the monsters very reminiscent of some of Maya’s monster forms on “Space: 1999.”
2:43 - 'Daw-fan.' It's historically the official title of the heir apparent to the throne of France. It's most most associated with Charles the 7th, the prince of France who was in exile until Joan of Arc brought him back to the throne. The term is used colloquially to mean 'royalty in exile.' Incidental to your mispronunciations, the word originated from a French prince who had a dolphin on his coat of arms. 5:19 - Frickin' LOVE this scene.
I only know it mostly because I stumbled across a flop Broadway musical about the Dauphin and Joan of Arc called Goodtime Charley. Star Joel Grey as the Dauphin got most of the comedy numbers, and Ann Reinking is so glorious as Joan that had this been a hit, she would have been the next Julie Andrews. I find the score amazing, and the staging of the first number blew the audience away, but ultimately it was too by-the-book for a post-Cabaret world, yet also couldn’t please the Hello Dolly crowd when the heroine is burned at the stake in the penultimate number!
While I've been using my treadmill for the last month or so, I've been catching up on "lesser" episodes I skipped on my first watch through. When I got to this one and Madchen Amick showed up only to immediately transform into a mutated Ewok I laughed so hard I nearly fell off the treadmill and hurt myself. Legit had to pause my run to process it.
I work with little kids, and one of the best parts of my job is when I truly connect with a child. This doesn’t happen very often, but when I do form a strong friendship with one, it's always tough when that relationship comes to an end. That becomes the saddest part of my job. Over my 15 years working with children, there have been seven who stand out in my memory. I miss them a lot. This Star Trek episode just reminded me of them.
Its literally a story targeting a younger demographic about teenage love and it does the whole meet , date and break up, overprotective parent schtick in 40 minutes. It was never going to be Shakespeare but I think it did about as good as it could in the time
Since they're doing release order, it'll be interesting when they're alternating between overlapping series. I'm glad they're doing it that way, so they get the occasional crossover or reference in the proper context.
*Paddi Edwards* (Anya) was the voice of the eels Flotsam and Jetsam in Disney's classic animated movie, _The Little Mermaid_ (1989), with just a slight electronic distortion added to the Sea Witch's minions. She performed both of these roles just a half-year apart from each other (February and November)! She passed away in 1999. Coincidentally, _Star Trek_ hosted several other _TLM_ '89 voices, both appearing in _Deep Space Nine:_ - *René Auberjonois* regularly portrayed Security Chief Odo across all seven seasons (1992-1999), and he was the voice of Chef Louis, who is Sebastian The Crab's human tormentor. He passed away in 2019. - *Kenneth Mars* appeared one time in S2 E16 "Shadowplay" as Colyus, and he was the voice of Ariel's caring-but-stern father *King Triton* in the original movie, cartoon TV series (1992-1995) and direct-to-video sequel, _The Little Mermaid: Return to the Sea_ (2000). He passed away in 2011, but was replaced by veteran voice actor Jim Cummings (who coincidentally appeared in two _Star Trek_ video games) in the King Triton role for the direct-to-video prequel, _The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning_ (2008).
Subversion of expectations can be great! I love shape-shifting protector (and the effect!), Worf, Data, planet Dalek 4, you name it! This is definitely a good Wesley episode too. So many great moments, especially: 3:50 🏆 5:54 🏆🏆 6:53 🏆 🏆 🏆 ❤ 8:50 🏆 11:19 🏆🏆🏆❤️❤️❤️ 11:41 ❤😂❤😂❤❤❤👍 12:25 ❤ Wesley's going to Wesley The mixture of sci-fi and fantasy in this story I'd do thoughtfully done. As is the Wesley "unobtainable romance" dilemma. And if Wesley was told earlier that the Dauphin was to rule another planet, there'd be no story 😢
Interesting note Jaime Hubbard who played Salia was really about 9 or 10 years older than Wil Wheaton, who was only about 16 at the time this episode was filmed.
To answer your early question, yes, to some extent, network TV loaded their “best” episodes or “event” episodes around the ratings “sweeps”, the time when networks set the rates for advertisers. These times were Nov, Feb and May, and it’s no coincidence awards shows tend to fall around then. Adhering to sweeps time results in the ebb and flow off quality in a typical season, launching strong, then coasting thru October, then something exciting to go into the holidays. A couple forgettable shows in January, more exciting episodes in February, then building to the big finale in May. This stuff isn’t as closely adhered to anymore but you could plot a season of TV by when the episode aired for many years.
Hey guys, I thought I'd pop in again. This was my favourite episode of season 2. Especially because I thought that girl was really cute! (But I also really liked the plot)
I like this episode, and I will explain why... It's a great exploration of "first love," and I enjoy it more than the other exploration of first love in Star Trek: "Charlie X." Anyone who has had a camp crush, or met someone while on vacation with their parents, can relate to this... the guardian represents the "over-protective parent," who is not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but simply seeks to protect the child in her care. The initial attraction is overwhelmed by the differences of their lives; they live in two different worlds. You try to figure out how to act with your new love, and your only examples are those who are around you (thus Worf, Riker, and Guinan all provide "role models" which ultimately have to be rejected). In the end, after it's all over, you are left with the realization that, "Wow, I could have handled that better." Your immaturity did not prepare you to deal with your differences; you hope you learn for the next time love comes your way.
Oh boy, a Wesley heartbreak episode-you got to love it! Also, I hope that at least the producers think that every episode that aired was great, although that opens up the scary possibility that there are other episodes that were even worse that we didn't get to see. I wonder if Guinan and Riker took their flirting even further; you never know with Trek.
Wesley in this episode reminds me of Anakin in Attack of the Clones. The dialogue, the immaturity, did Lucas watch this episode before writing the script?
When children start to become teenagers on the Enterprise, they are kept in sealed nutrient-fed sleep containers, and released once they reach a tolerable age. They were one pod short, so they had to allow Wesley to walk around with the crew.
You know, this is one of those episodes that raises questions in the context of later stories. Like, did the Dominion ever try to recruit these shapeshifters? Or did they try and wipe them out as 'false gods?' Also sorry if this counts as spoilers.
Klingons and Romulans were Cold War villains. One being the Soviet Russians (Klingons) and one being “Red China “- the romulans. So it spoke to the people of the time period (I was one). But in TNG you have a new enemy for a new age- technology used in a frightening way.
Reposted from Patreon: “Dauphin,” the French word for “dolphin,” was the traditional title of the heir to the King of France. The feminine form of the word is “Dauphine,” and therefore fans sometimes complain that this episode should have been called “The Dauphine.” In modern English, “Dauphin” is pronounced the same way as in French: “doe-fahn,” with equal stress on both syllables. In Shakespeare’s time, however, English people pronounced the word “DAW-fin,” like “dolphin” without the “l”. Modern Shakespearean performers tend to pronounce the word the French way so as not to sound ignorant of French, even though this prevents some lines from scanning properly, e.g. “And some are yet ungotten and unborn / That shall have cause to curse the Dauphin’s scorn” ("Henry V," Act I, Scene II). Salia’s planet is named Daled Four. “Daled” is the fourth letter of the Hebrew alphabet, so the planet’s name literally means “D Four.” According to IMDb, some fans have nicknamed the episode “Wesley Reaches Puberty,” but, given the name of the planet, I think an even more appropriate nickname would be the title of a 1994 TV movie: "Revenge of the Nerds IV: Nerds in Love." Jonathan Frakes and Whoopi Goldberg’s chemistry in the mock flirting scene is amazing. Wil Wheaton performed the first on-screen kiss of his career in this episode with Jaime Hubbard, who is ten years Wheaton’s senior. Hubbard would retire from acting six years later and is now a licensed psychotherapist. In later years, Wheaton would comment, “The first girl that Wesley fell in love with turned out to be a shape-shifter who turned into a hideous monster, y’know after he had exposed his soul to her. Which happened to me a lot in my personal life. And I was glad Star Trek was able to capture that parallel.” Actress Mädchen Amick, a runner-up for the role of Salia, plays Anya’s teenage girl form; she went on to great success two years later in a starring role on the surreal prime-time drama "Twin Peaks." Not much else to say about this one, except that it is much better than I remembered, and that, as you speculated, it would have benefited from a different placement in the season. Anya and Salia’s farewell scene is heartbreaking, especially considering that Salia will now be cut off from literally every single person she has ever met, but its emotional impact pales in comparison to the previous episode.
Finally! After last week's boring courtroom procedural we get a thrilling adventure starring Starfleet's favorite boy genius. Wesley Crusher should have his own spin-off series.
I didn't find the last one boring, but I too really like Wesley. I don't know why people dislike him so much. When these first came out, my friends and I really liked him. He was actually my 2nd or 3rd favourite character (Data was my fav, and 2nd was a tie between him and Riker)
@@jovetj Not really. I only encounter sarcasm online. Among my friends, we don't really use it. And at work, I own a small business, so it doesn't come up. (Or rarely does)
It debatable whether a planet that is tidally locked (one side always facing its sun) would even be habitable except to simple lifeforms. The water on such world would likely end up trapped in a ice cap on the dark side, amongst other climate problems. So there is civilization of shapeshifters near or in Federation space.
I’m just going to apologize in advance. It’s really rough to go from an amazing episode like, “the measure of a Man” to a……..WESLEY episode…..*shudder*
"What species are you?" "Human." Way to answer for every one Picard! What about the rest of your Federation crew? An android, Klingon, half Betazed, a bartender whose species hasn't been mentioned yet so I won't say here...we've seen a couple Vulcans in the background and know there's a cetacean ops..the crew compliment is over 1,000 people and changes regularly: at any one time there could be Tellarites, Andorians, Aenar, Alpha Centaurians, Horta, Medusans, Melkotians, Denobulans, Phylosians, Edosians, Caitians, Bolians, Deltans, Ithanites, any variety of Rigellian, Saurians, Trill...there are between 150 and 200 Federation members at this time, plus crew from non-Federation worlds like Worf, plus potential passengers...
The question may have been directed at him as an individual for all he knew. If an alien came down in a flying saucer, approached you and asked that question, would you start listing off the various species of trees, jellyfish, and mushrooms or would you answer "human"?
I dunno, I always kinda liked this one. But, then, I was younger than Wesley when I first saw it, so I kinda looked up to him, and liked it from that perspective. It's certainly a letdown after the last two, but it's not on the level of The Child, or Outrageous Okana, or a couple of episodes later in this season that I won't name yet.
The first TOS episode you watched had a shapeshifter. I don't like the Wesley much so this episode didn't work for me in the enjoying to see a fav character kind of way and neither was the story as a whole all that interesting. As a kid I would have appreciated the monster design quite a lot, it would have been quite scary and surprising but that effect is lessened with age.
After two wonderful “this is a hint at what TNG can be” episodes, I’m sorry you had to put up with this descent back into juvenile episodes. But it’s season 2 after all, and what you’ll get is scattered quality shows. There’s a few more oasis this season, and then In later seasons things ramp up even to the point where the less good shows are still built on a decent non juvenile foundation. Today, at least we had a few breaks in the bar with Guinan to catch our breath, and Patrick Stewart, ever the consummate actor, managed to keep a straight face through most of it. As a subscriber here I’m enjoying the suspense as the good episodes lay in waiting for you.
Another episode where Guinan does a better job of being a counselor than the actual counselor to the ship. I don't enjoy hating on Troi, but her character is the arguably the weakest on the show (with only Wesley giving her real competition), and I've long said she should have been a recurring character rather than a main cast member. And I say that using Guinan as the perfect example of what I mean; in small doses, only being used when needed, Guinan is fantastic, but if you started shoehorning her into more scenes and episodes where she had nothing to contribute, you'd get... well you'd get Deanna Troi.
Measure is one of the best episodes in Trek. Followed by, uh, another episode. Lol, it's not bad. I wish we could have gotten more between Worf and the protector. And she was right... she could have easily unalived Worf and he wasn't even aware there was danger here.
This episode is not my cup of tea. People turning into monsters or a Wesley romance. Pick one. I would have liked them to dive into the civil war more. But Will Wheaton, Whoopi Goldberg and Michael Dorn did a nice job.
Guinin's character really take away from Troi's usefulness on the show. This episode is what Troi should be doing among the crew. That wise, empathetic advice from a mature woman. What a counselor should be. Goldberg plays Guinin well, as is the writing for her. That is why fans like her. But, it's at the cost of another in their own wheelhouse, making her redundant.
Figured I should probably watch this before Paramount finds out about it.
Me too.
Right?!?
It's a terrifying threat! Makes me want to carefully avoid giving Paramount any income at all, ever.
LLAP = Lecherous Lying Ass Paramount. 🖖
Me too
That scene with Wesley and Worf is easily one of the best in the show. 🙂 "He reads love poetry ... he ducks a lot." I always liked Worf best when his funny side showed.
Michael Dorn has some of the best comedic timing in all of Star Trek.
The "Klingon Love Poetry" bit spawned a thing at a Chicago-area sci-fi/fantasy convention (perhaps others too) where the Klingon cosplayers gather to read love poetry and hurl massive objects (made of foam) at each other.
That’s Hilarious…
Worf screams his lungs out on the bridge & no one bats an eye
Worf screaming? Must be Tuesday.
And then gets kind of randy.
Too common to give a damn lol
"I warned you to stay away from her!" Y'all are in HIS quarters!
also, 6. more. episodes!!!
Point.
Exactly lol
Nothing like the voice of Gozer the Gozerian fighting Worf.
Dauphin II: Worf v Morph.
Ray, when someone asks you if you're a Klingon, say YES!
"Are you a god?"
"Klingons killed their gods long ago..."
The other teenage girl who appears in an early scene speaking to Salia is played by Mädchen Amick, who not long after this landed a major role playing Shelly Johnson on _Twin Peaks._
I thought that was her. She was great on Twin Peaks, elevating what was relatively a lackluster character compared with some of the others. In the hands of a lesser actress, Shelly would have been mostly forgotten.
Whatever one things of Whoopi, she really owns the role of Guinan, and Guinan is a good character in the show.
Goldberg made that character a success by underplaying Guinan. She speaks quietly & casually. Her body language is 'low key'. She suggests little hints about Guinan without ever going too far, or being too specific.
I’m not a fan of Whoopi, but I still love Guinan.
@@JoeMama410 Whoopi Goldberg was likely still pretty sane in 1989. If she ever was.
Whoopi recently suggested that Biden arrest every Republican.
A terrible person can still be a great actor. Just look at Bill Cosby.
The Dauphins were the heirs to the French throne, kinda like the Princes of Wales are the heirs to the British throne.
The name comes from their Coat of Arms, a dolphin.
Pronounced like dough-fan (without the final n)
@@ammaleslie509 Unless you're the Duke of Bedford....
@@Philbert-s2cHe did have slight regard for the Dauphin.
I can’t rag on Westley’s melodrama in this. He’s 15 or so, it tracks.
The only thing I really remember about this episode is the fake flirting between Riker and Guinan. I have Riker's monologue memorized and can confirm those lines do in fact work.
Yeah, that was the best part of the episode, other than Worf screaming on the bridge.
Worfs appreciation of the governess, the Klingon mating, and the bar scenes between guinan and riker are great and soften the 'Wesley episode' vibes.
12:42
"We've All 16, Or However Old He Is"
At the time this episode was filmed, Wil Wheaton and subsequently his character of Wesley Crusher was 17. I know this due to the fact that I share my birthday with Wil Wheaton, and I was 18 at the time that this episode originally aired
Will Wheaton has mentioned that one of the problems with the Wesley character is he didn't have anyone his own age to show him being a kid with. He would have benefited from a reoccurring "best friend" character. Afterall what 15 year old boy is so comfortable asking adults for advice all the time. I know when I was 15 the adults around me didn't have a clue as to what I was up to and I would rely on bad advice from my same age friends. Being stupid is what being a teenager is all about. I've always felt Will Wheaton gets more criticism then he deserved - Wesley at this point is just poorly written.
Thank you, I quite agree. Wesley’s character (so far) does not get proper attention.
ya, a case of adults writing a kid. I like the idea of a super smart kid, who makes mistakes but isn't a detriment to the crew because he is smart and well meaning. He's better written later on in the show.
@@theendistheend123 later on in the show he isn't an awkward teenager anymore.
It's good to make friends of all ages. Something my peers and I were encouraged to do as children, and it really helped us
But lots of brilliant children live a life surrounded by adults
Guinan basically explaining why stalking is A-ok.....
Co-workers have been warned - I'll be on a break until this is finished! :)
I grew up on a military base outside the USA that had lots of civilian contractors with their families there. It was very common for families to plan to change jobs and move back to the USA when their older kids started getting close to high school age. While there was a high school out there, the class sizes got smaller and smaller, with 7th-9th grades being around 30-40 students and 12th grade only having about 8-12 kids. I imagine families on the Enterprise were similar, transferring off when their kids got older, which explains why not many kids Wesley's age.
Insert Deadpool scene
Almost like the studio didn't have enough budget. 😅
Nah.
Guinan is so good. I'm really glad as an adult at least that they included Whoopie in random episodes.
A little trivia, Paddi Edwards who played Anya was the voice of Gozer The Gozarian in Ghostbusters
And Anya's first form was Shelly from Twin Peaks.
And today would have been her birthday.
I have a soft spot for this episode. Nothing spectacular, just a puppy love story for Wesley.
I always thought of this as the Roman Holiday episode because of the similar story of a sheltered Royal experiencing the outside world alone for the first time
The morphing effect was done by an artist painting the in-between frames manually, which were then photographed and composited.
This is one of those little light episodes I’ve always enjoyed. Of course, at the time it aired, I was roughly Wesley’s age, so I could definitely identify with the story. It’s also fun with the monsters very reminiscent of some of Maya’s monster forms on “Space: 1999.”
A perfectly okay episode, but the scene with Riker and Guinan was the highlight.
That was good. And Worf had good moments. But only the side parts like that stand out.
Actually I agree COMPLETELY! That one scene was MASTERFUL! 🤣😂😅
2:43 - 'Daw-fan.' It's historically the official title of the heir apparent to the throne of France. It's most most associated with Charles the 7th, the prince of France who was in exile until Joan of Arc brought him back to the throne. The term is used colloquially to mean 'royalty in exile.' Incidental to your mispronunciations, the word originated from a French prince who had a dolphin on his coat of arms.
5:19 - Frickin' LOVE this scene.
I only know it mostly because I stumbled across a flop Broadway musical about the Dauphin and Joan of Arc called Goodtime Charley. Star Joel Grey as the Dauphin got most of the comedy numbers, and Ann Reinking is so glorious as Joan that had this been a hit, she would have been the next Julie Andrews.
I find the score amazing, and the staging of the first number blew the audience away, but ultimately it was too by-the-book for a post-Cabaret world, yet also couldn’t please the Hello Dolly crowd when the heroine is burned at the stake in the penultimate number!
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It’s kind of like Wes, you’ll never forget your first.
6:30 - THIS IS MY FAVORITE, AN OLD EARTH CLASSIC! Computer! Make Kraft Mac N Cheese!
While I've been using my treadmill for the last month or so, I've been catching up on "lesser" episodes I skipped on my first watch through. When I got to this one and Madchen Amick showed up only to immediately transform into a mutated Ewok I laughed so hard I nearly fell off the treadmill and hurt myself. Legit had to pause my run to process it.
11:25 - No reflection in the mirror. 11:29 - Whoa.
I work with little kids, and one of the best parts of my job is when I truly connect with a child. This doesn’t happen very often, but when I do form a strong friendship with one, it's always tough when that relationship comes to an end. That becomes the saddest part of my job. Over my 15 years working with children, there have been seven who stand out in my memory. I miss them a lot. This Star Trek episode just reminded me of them.
Dauphin - french - the heir apparent - the next in line for the throne
I did like Wesley when they finally let him grow up and actually act his age but it took a while.
Would have been rad if Anya asked “Are you a god?” to Worf before they threw down!
Knowing Klingon mythology, that would not impress Worf.
@@mjbull5156
If someone asks you if you’re a god. You’re supposed to say yes!
Okay, I laff'd....
Its literally a story targeting a younger demographic about teenage love and it does the whole meet , date and break up, overprotective parent schtick in 40 minutes. It was never going to be Shakespeare but I think it did about as good as it could in the time
The problem is writing romance for young Wil Wheaton. He just can't sell it. He's a decent actor, but not for this kind of story.
Very well put.
I was (probably) a teenager when I first watched this, and it didn't work for me.
I can't wait for you guys to start DS9. Sure you guys are going to love it as much as I do.
Since they're doing release order, it'll be interesting when they're alternating between overlapping series. I'm glad they're doing it that way, so they get the occasional crossover or reference in the proper context.
*Paddi Edwards* (Anya) was the voice of the eels Flotsam and Jetsam in Disney's classic animated movie, _The Little Mermaid_ (1989), with just a slight electronic distortion added to the Sea Witch's minions. She performed both of these roles just a half-year apart from each other (February and November)! She passed away in 1999.
Coincidentally, _Star Trek_ hosted several other _TLM_ '89 voices, both appearing in _Deep Space Nine:_
- *René Auberjonois* regularly portrayed Security Chief Odo across all seven seasons (1992-1999), and he was the voice of Chef Louis, who is Sebastian The Crab's human tormentor. He passed away in 2019.
- *Kenneth Mars* appeared one time in S2 E16 "Shadowplay" as Colyus, and he was the voice of Ariel's caring-but-stern father *King Triton* in the original movie, cartoon TV series (1992-1995) and direct-to-video sequel, _The Little Mermaid: Return to the Sea_ (2000). He passed away in 2011, but was replaced by veteran voice actor Jim Cummings (who coincidentally appeared in two _Star Trek_ video games) in the King Triton role for the direct-to-video prequel, _The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning_ (2008).
I just got like 5 different Star Trek video game commercials. While watching your video hope you get some kickback.
What's sweet is that Wesley is the one person Seliah could be truly herself with.
Episodes 16-21 on Season 2 are an awesome streak of this season. I can’t wait till you get there. ❤
Subversion of expectations can be great! I love shape-shifting protector (and the effect!), Worf, Data, planet Dalek 4, you name it!
This is definitely a good Wesley episode too.
So many great moments, especially:
3:50 🏆
5:54 🏆🏆
6:53 🏆 🏆 🏆 ❤
8:50 🏆
11:19 🏆🏆🏆❤️❤️❤️
11:41 ❤😂❤😂❤❤❤👍
12:25 ❤ Wesley's going to Wesley
The mixture of sci-fi and fantasy in this story I'd do thoughtfully done. As is the Wesley "unobtainable romance" dilemma.
And if Wesley was told earlier that the Dauphin was to rule another planet, there'd be no story 😢
It would figure that Wesley's first kiss was with a giant Muppet monster.
The other teenaged girl was Madchen Amick, who was the runner-up for the Salia role.
Interesting note Jaime Hubbard who played Salia was really about 9 or 10 years older than Wil Wheaton, who was only about 16 at the time this episode was filmed.
To answer your early question, yes, to some extent, network TV loaded their “best” episodes or “event” episodes around the ratings “sweeps”, the time when networks set the rates for advertisers. These times were Nov, Feb and May, and it’s no coincidence awards shows tend to fall around then.
Adhering to sweeps time results in the ebb and flow off quality in a typical season, launching strong, then coasting thru October, then something exciting to go into the holidays. A couple forgettable shows in January, more exciting episodes in February, then building to the big finale in May.
This stuff isn’t as closely adhered to anymore but you could plot a season of TV by when the episode aired for many years.
"Man, that episode was weird." About sums it up for me.
It was a standalone episode ereally. It was also a small character flesh out for Wesley. A first love.
Oh boy, a Wesley episode!!
Best shape shifting live action aliens since The Man Trap.
Hey guys, I thought I'd pop in again. This was my favourite episode of season 2. Especially because I thought that girl was really cute! (But I also really liked the plot)
I like this episode, and I will explain why... It's a great exploration of "first love," and I enjoy it more than the other exploration of first love in Star Trek: "Charlie X." Anyone who has had a camp crush, or met someone while on vacation with their parents, can relate to this... the guardian represents the "over-protective parent," who is not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but simply seeks to protect the child in her care. The initial attraction is overwhelmed by the differences of their lives; they live in two different worlds. You try to figure out how to act with your new love, and your only examples are those who are around you (thus Worf, Riker, and Guinan all provide "role models" which ultimately have to be rejected). In the end, after it's all over, you are left with the realization that, "Wow, I could have handled that better." Your immaturity did not prepare you to deal with your differences; you hope you learn for the next time love comes your way.
13:20 Wow, that expression.
Oh boy, a Wesley heartbreak episode-you got to love it!
Also, I hope that at least the producers think that every episode that aired was great, although that opens up the scary possibility that there are other episodes that were even worse that we didn't get to see.
I wonder if Guinan and Riker took their flirting even further; you never know with Trek.
Oh man, this show has such great scenes.
Worf showing how Klingons call a female. And the Riker / Guinan scene is so good! I love it. :D
'Dauphin' is French for 'Heir Apparent'. A Prince/Princess detined to become a King/Queen.
12:37 - Alright, Otacon.
Maybe this wasn't your favorite episode. But it had the most "WHOAH!"s of any episode since the pilot.
I love their WHOAHsss.
Wesley in this episode reminds me of Anakin in Attack of the Clones. The dialogue, the immaturity, did Lucas watch this episode before writing the script?
I dont understand why people hated Wesley having autism and being different I could connect with him more than all of them
If CBS copyright claims this one, they'd have to admit it was theirs in the first place.
All of it is theirs this is just fans enjoying and reacting to it bc tng is fucking amazing
@@izzafizza339 This one is NOT amazing, especially not to that level.
@@jovetj no I mean tng as a whole
@@izzafizza339 I know what you meant. But I still think you missed the OP's joke.
Great reaction, guys. Thank you.
The thumbnail 😂
That disgusting creature is almost as bad as the thing with red eyes next to it 😜
Holy Lord is that YT Premiere count down excessively long.
When children start to become teenagers on the Enterprise, they are kept in sealed nutrient-fed sleep containers, and released once they reach a tolerable age. They were one pod short, so they had to allow Wesley to walk around with the crew.
You know, this is one of those episodes that raises questions in the context of later stories. Like, did the Dominion ever try to recruit these shapeshifters? Or did they try and wipe them out as 'false gods?' Also sorry if this counts as spoilers.
Finally, a Wesley episode !
And also, only 6 episodes to go now !
Another great star trek species, "animaniacs."
@3:35 -- for me, the only memorable part of this episode: madchen amick!
Klingons and Romulans were Cold War villains. One being the Soviet Russians (Klingons) and one being “Red China “- the romulans. So it spoke to the people of the time period (I was one). But in TNG you have a new enemy for a new age- technology used in a frightening way.
Jay from RLM would freak out if he knew that Madchen Amick was in The Dauphin.
I love a couple of retro furry monsters in an ep! ☺️
I was expecting Dr. Smith and Will Robinson at any minute.
"Shut up, Wesley!"
Reposted from Patreon: “Dauphin,” the French word for “dolphin,” was the traditional title of the heir to the King of France. The feminine form of the word is “Dauphine,” and therefore fans sometimes complain that this episode should have been called “The Dauphine.” In modern English, “Dauphin” is pronounced the same way as in French: “doe-fahn,” with equal stress on both syllables. In Shakespeare’s time, however, English people pronounced the word “DAW-fin,” like “dolphin” without the “l”. Modern Shakespearean performers tend to pronounce the word the French way so as not to sound ignorant of French, even though this prevents some lines from scanning properly, e.g. “And some are yet ungotten and unborn / That shall have cause to curse the Dauphin’s scorn” ("Henry V," Act I, Scene II).
Salia’s planet is named Daled Four. “Daled” is the fourth letter of the Hebrew alphabet, so the planet’s name literally means “D Four.” According to IMDb, some fans have nicknamed the episode “Wesley Reaches Puberty,” but, given the name of the planet, I think an even more appropriate nickname would be the title of a 1994 TV movie: "Revenge of the Nerds IV: Nerds in Love."
Jonathan Frakes and Whoopi Goldberg’s chemistry in the mock flirting scene is amazing.
Wil Wheaton performed the first on-screen kiss of his career in this episode with Jaime Hubbard, who is ten years Wheaton’s senior. Hubbard would retire from acting six years later and is now a licensed psychotherapist. In later years, Wheaton would comment, “The first girl that Wesley fell in love with turned out to be a shape-shifter who turned into a hideous monster, y’know after he had exposed his soul to her. Which happened to me a lot in my personal life. And I was glad Star Trek was able to capture that parallel.”
Actress Mädchen Amick, a runner-up for the role of Salia, plays Anya’s teenage girl form; she went on to great success two years later in a starring role on the surreal prime-time drama "Twin Peaks."
Not much else to say about this one, except that it is much better than I remembered, and that, as you speculated, it would have benefited from a different placement in the season. Anya and Salia’s farewell scene is heartbreaking, especially considering that Salia will now be cut off from literally every single person she has ever met, but its emotional impact pales in comparison to the previous episode.
Finally! After last week's boring courtroom procedural we get a thrilling adventure starring Starfleet's favorite boy genius. Wesley Crusher should have his own spin-off series.
I didn't find the last one boring, but I too really like Wesley. I don't know why people dislike him so much. When these first came out, my friends and I really liked him. He was actually my 2nd or 3rd favourite character (Data was my fav, and 2nd was a tie between him and Riker)
@@SJHFoto He was being sardonic.
@@jovetj Oh. I really dislike sarcasm as I never understand it or the point of it. (No offence)
@@SJHFoto Your life must be a real struggle. (Sympathetic, not sarcastic)
@@jovetj Not really. I only encounter sarcasm online. Among my friends, we don't really use it. And at work, I own a small business, so it doesn't come up. (Or rarely does)
It debatable whether a planet that is tidally locked (one side always facing its sun) would even be habitable except to simple lifeforms. The water on such world would likely end up trapped in a ice cap on the dark side, amongst other climate problems.
So there is civilization of shapeshifters near or in Federation space.
Do you mean the episode the man trap. It's in tos but I've never watched aos before so idk
Infinitesimal.
Means infinitely small.
No, it means extremely small.
@@jovetj same thing. I was trying to give a cognate clue to help people remember what the word means from its spelling and pronunciation.
@@ammaleslie509 _NOT_ the same thing. But I get your point.
I’m just going to apologize in advance. It’s really rough to go from an amazing episode like, “the measure of a Man” to a……..WESLEY episode…..*shudder*
Oh come on, there are very good Wesley episodes.
This is not one of them, though.
Love your video series.
Thank you!
The writers did keep a whiteboard list of creatures and plots that have been done before.
"What species are you?" "Human." Way to answer for every one Picard! What about the rest of your Federation crew? An android, Klingon, half Betazed, a bartender whose species hasn't been mentioned yet so I won't say here...we've seen a couple Vulcans in the background and know there's a cetacean ops..the crew compliment is over 1,000 people and changes regularly: at any one time there could be Tellarites, Andorians, Aenar, Alpha Centaurians, Horta, Medusans, Melkotians, Denobulans, Phylosians, Edosians, Caitians, Bolians, Deltans, Ithanites, any variety of Rigellian, Saurians, Trill...there are between 150 and 200 Federation members at this time, plus crew from non-Federation worlds like Worf, plus potential passengers...
The question may have been directed at him as an individual for all he knew. If an alien came down in a flying saucer, approached you and asked that question, would you start listing off the various species of trees, jellyfish, and mushrooms or would you answer "human"?
@@fakecubed No, but that's a completely different situation and I'm not serving alongside jellyfish and tree crewmates.
Wesley is the ship's perma-virgin
Guinan's past hahaha
I thought for sure when the girl transformed you guys would say “Who put a kaiju movie in the middle of my Star Trek episode?!”
I dunno, I always kinda liked this one. But, then, I was younger than Wesley when I first saw it, so I kinda looked up to him, and liked it from that perspective. It's certainly a letdown after the last two, but it's not on the level of The Child, or Outrageous Okana, or a couple of episodes later in this season that I won't name yet.
So, did anybody have "Wesley getting cockblocked by a Kaiju" on their bingo cards?
You are right, 30 something years later I remembered nothing from this episode.
Yes, a reminder why I usually avoid premieres.
I love worf in this episode.
Specially as he would have punched her in human form.
Ah, the one that people wouldn't mind if UA-cam blocked it. XD
I think of it like this first season is 80% Clunkers second season is 50% Clunkers third season and up is 25% to 15% Clunkers
The first TOS episode you watched had a shapeshifter. I don't like the Wesley much so this episode didn't work for me in the enjoying to see a fav character kind of way and neither was the story as a whole all that interesting. As a kid I would have appreciated the monster design quite a lot, it would have been quite scary and surprising but that effect is lessened with age.
Back up the video guys, you missed something.. The producers sneaked in a famous comic in Ten-Forward, and it sure wasn't just Whoopie.
She's not a pie.
@@jovetjWow, the "height" of wit. How many brain cells did you burn out, coming up with this nugget? 😴
@@Blackrook32 About as many as you burned out instead of looking up how to actually spell her name.
Dont get mad at Wesley falling in love quick. The adults on the show have done the same. Lol
Everyone needs dating advice from Worf.
Better than that of evangelicals.
After two wonderful “this is a hint at what TNG can be” episodes, I’m sorry you had to put up with this descent back into juvenile episodes. But it’s season 2 after all, and what you’ll get is scattered quality shows. There’s a few more oasis this season, and then In later seasons things ramp up even to the point where the less good shows are still built on a decent non juvenile foundation. Today, at least we had a few breaks in the bar with Guinan to catch our breath, and Patrick Stewart, ever the consummate actor, managed to keep a straight face through most of it. As a subscriber here I’m enjoying the suspense as the good episodes lay in waiting for you.
Another episode where Guinan does a better job of being a counselor than the actual counselor to the ship. I don't enjoy hating on Troi, but her character is the arguably the weakest on the show (with only Wesley giving her real competition), and I've long said she should have been a recurring character rather than a main cast member. And I say that using Guinan as the perfect example of what I mean; in small doses, only being used when needed, Guinan is fantastic, but if you started shoehorning her into more scenes and episodes where she had nothing to contribute, you'd get... well you'd get Deanna Troi.
Troi is fine.
Geordi doesn't have good dating advice if ya know ya know lmao
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Measure is one of the best episodes in Trek.
Followed by, uh, another episode.
Lol, it's not bad. I wish we could have gotten more between Worf and the protector. And she was right... she could have easily unalived Worf and he wasn't even aware there was danger here.
This episode is not my cup of tea. People turning into monsters or a Wesley romance. Pick one. I would have liked them to dive into the civil war more. But Will Wheaton, Whoopi Goldberg and Michael Dorn did a nice job.
Thought I was watching Five Nights at Freddys 3:50 in a TNG episode
Guinin's character really take away from Troi's usefulness on the show. This episode is what Troi should be doing among the crew. That wise, empathetic advice from a mature woman. What a counselor should be. Goldberg plays Guinin well, as is the writing for her. That is why fans like her. But, it's at the cost of another in their own wheelhouse, making her redundant.
Never thought about it that way but yes they are sometimes competitors for the writers as well as the crew.
That I agree with. I see Guinan doing a lot more counseling than Troi in the show.
Disagree vehemently.