Upgrading a Compaq LTE 5000 Laptop with an IDE Compact Flash Card for DOS
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Last year I found this Compaq LTE 5000 at a car boot sale looking very sad, filthy and getting rained on. I offered the bloke a fiver and he practically bit my hand off. I took the LTE 5000 apart to clean it thoroughly as it was dirty and dusty throughout. The Compaq LTE CMOS battery was dead and the mains battery was long-dead and leaking.
The LTE 5000 laptop hard drive clicked a lot and I knew it was only a matter of time before it died. I wanted to replace the HDD with a compact flash card for DOS. The previous owner had installed Win95 on a 75mhz LTE and that was not good. The first part of this Compaq laptop restoration was to get a new LTE compatible CMOS battery. The Compaq LTE needs a 4.8v AAA CMOS battery with a proprietary connector. I found a French website selling them and €28 later I had one winging its way to me. The Compaq LTE mains battery it’s a different story. To date I have bought four or five batteries for this thing, from different battery sites who all claim to have stock. After about five months of waiting, none of them have turned up and I’ve have refunds issued via PayPal. My advice is not to bother.
The Compaq LTE 5000 is running, we’ve got it booting and posting consistently so the next thing to fix was that 1GB HDD. I wanted a big CF card in lieu of a HDD. A Compact Flash card functions essentially as an SSD; no mechanical parts, fast read speed, much higher capacity. I am only planning on running DOS on this Compaq LTE and Compact Flash cards are great DOS hard drive replacements. The Compact Flash pinout is exactly the same standard as IDE, meaning that it doesn’t need to be converted. You can buy CF to IDE adapters which will make a CF card work as a HDD in your DOS PC.
I grabbed the floppy images for DOS 4 from Phil, whacked them onto some floppies and it installed immediately. At this point I have my ultimate early 90s DOS machine in this Compaq LTE 5000.
The advantage of the CF card adapter on this DOS laptop is that I can use a cheap £1 adapter to drag and drop hundreds of games onto the card. I have a Pentium 1 Compaq LTE laptop with a total spend of about £40 and it’ll do me for all my DOS games for years to come. With a few quid, a bit of patience and the help of people smarter than you, you too could put together a DOS machine of equal or better value.
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Hey I need to find a charger for one of these what are the power specs on the adapter?
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The Game Show I ended up using a compaq 2882 which gave me no problem.
@@MufasaAM The Compaq 2882 is exactly the same power adapter that would've come with the LTE series. So good find!
Terrum cool this was all 6 months ago so I barely remember how I even found the correct adapter but I got the laptop up and running correctly.
The reason the first CF card wasn't working was due to it being a newer standard. The passive adapters only work with the earlier standards. In 2008, they changed from being pin compatible with IDE to working on a serial protocol (sata). That allows faster speeds and higher capacities, but it does mean you can't use it in place of an IDE drive.
This is why you lot are the best. Thank you mate, hopefully nobody need make the same mistake.
Geose When I'm looking to buy a CF card, what should I be looking for in particular to avoid this issue?
I'm not sure if i can give you a straight forward answer to that. The easy way would be to just look at people's recommendations, If you wanted to save money and search for a deal I would go and look up the standards and use the speeds to determine what one will work. None of this is a done deal though, my buddy bought what should of been a type 3 card from sandisk and it worked in his 2nd gen iPod.
Geose I appreciate the info! Looking to have the LTE 5400 delivered in a few days and am psyched to do some upgrading :)
The reason why the SanDisk CF didn't work is because it is set to behave as removable media in the media descriptor. There are programs on the internet that are capable to change it back to the original behave(fixed media).
I would love one of these laptops....man they're so hard to find now! :(
They're still around. Forget eBay, people are asking silly money but I'll bet if you ask about somebody will have an old laptop they no longer want.
Buy a replacement battery for a GE Datex Ohmeda S5 Patient Monitor. The cells are identical and already in the correct orientation. Just solder the wires from the old board onto the tabs and Bob's your uncle.
@Paul Briggs The part number is CS-GMS500MD. Not exactly cheep, I think I paid about $50. But still far cheaper than buying the individual cells and having someone spot weld them together for you.
McLaren would probably buy this from you, i'm sure its the LTE 5000 series they need to keep the McLaren F1's running
Gold plated LTE no doubt!
www.theverge.com/2016/5/3/11576032/mclaren-f1-compaq-laptop-maintenance
Great job! Couple tips:
First, on the hard drive, I have found CF cards to be quite picky when using them in this manner, with many just freezing up on format. To get around that, you can try other brands and capacities, or go another route: mSATA to 44 pin IDE adapters. I have one in my LTE5400 with a 120GB SSD that cost me next to nothing from some chinese vender, and the speed is fantastic.
As far as capacity, the first thing to do is upgrade the machine BIOS. The LTE5000 series has a 2.1G limitation iirc unless you have the latest bios rev, which brings it up to 8.4G. Of course, if you want to use more capacity than that, you will also need an overlay like OnTrack, which is what I use for mine.
As much as I understand your comments about running 95 on such a machine, there is one killer benefit to using W95, in particular, OSR2: FAT32. You can actually make an arbitrarily large filesystem, up to 2TB if memory serves, and load on every bit of MS-DOS software you can get your mitts on. Just disable the win UI on startup. The only sad thing here is you cannot run Win31(1).
The full Win95 environment does actually run pretty well on these things though if you use period-appropriate software or write your own. Yes, VC++6 works great on these too, or as great as it will ever run on a 120MHz pentium anyway... That being said, TASM, Borland C, and the various 16 bit dev tools absolutely scream on this, as does most dos software. Getting MoSlo (pay for it) is HIGHLY recommended, as much older software just flies by without your input without it.
Cheers! Keep up the good work!
Hi. Please can you recommend me the type of mSataIde adapter. I would like to use it with my LTE.
If you now use a solid state instead of the old hdd, does it load everything almost instantly?
Sorry mate I only just saw this. Load times are rapid. Still subject to the IDE standard over a pretty old-fashioned bus, so not as quick as today's SSDs over SATA. But load times for a 4mb game are much, much faster than an old spinning disk.
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At around 5:05 you say "down the tipp" And I was wondering if that means to throw it away?
Reason I'm asking is because I'm Norwegian, and in my dialect we use the phrase "down to the tipp" when we are going to throw something away :)
Hi, thanks for commenting. Glad you liked it! "Down the tip" means exactly what you asked. Public sites for recycling or disposing of rubbish are informally referred to as the "tip" or the "dump". So you'd say "I'm taking this broken TV down the tip". Hope that helps :-D
Random Tveit some places in the UK, 'the tip' isn't even slang! Even the council name it that!
Thank you guys! Im very happy now!
EZ-Drive allows you not only to use a larger card, but even more, use two cards at the same time as two hard drives, with a choice of which card to boot from Bios!
Thanks for commenting mate, that's useful info. I'm not going to need it, I'm happy with this size of card but others will definitely want to add more storage
Windows 95 is the perfect OS for this generation of laptop. I have a 486DX-50 laptop with 16MB of RAM that came with Windows 95 when new. It's period correct. Also, nice video! I use CF cards on almost all of my retro PCs that don't have support for large hard drives.
Thanks man, I'm glad you liked the video! Win 3 runs a lot quicker than Win95 but no doubt about it being period correct.
Great video! Willing to try with my LTE 5100... BUT (allways a 'but').
I'm having an issue with my memory expansion module. (two 4Mb modules=8Mb to add to 8Mb main ram)
I get an awfull "error 7808 FATAL error at location 800004" during memory test.
It doesn't matter if i switch the order of the modules, i allways get the same address (800004), and i wonder if it could be a 'hardware' internal error (or maybe BOTH modules have the same error?)
I dont want to spend 40 or 50 bucks without knowing if it's an internal error in the card interface. Any clue about how to test?
It would work with a memory expansion PC card? (lot easier to find than the original module)
Thanks folks!
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Now, it's my turn I bought a Comapg LTE Elite 4/50 and its working and it's really neat I'm willing to replace the floppy drive with an internal memory card reader
I just picked up a Compaq LTE 5300 on eBay for $45 that was listed as having an error. It was simply a hibernation file error and easy to fix. The thing is mint! Anyhow, When I finally got the HDD to boot NT4 Workstation was loaded. I guessed the password! "admin" believe it or not. I noticed the system was registered to Andersen Consulting, the same company printed on the bottom of your Compaq. How strange. Instead of going the CF card route I ordered a 32GB mSATA SSD and mSATA to 44pin IDE adapter for a total cost of $32. I'm hoping to be powering through DOOM soon! These systems really do make the best retro DOS gaming rigs out there. Also, if you want to get around the problem of having to pull your CF card to load software, pick up a cheap PCMCIA Ethernet card, install Windows for Workgroups 3.11, set up TCP/IP and share your drive on the network. If fire up WFW3.11 when I need to install software on these older laptops by simply moving the files from my main Windows 7 system. Once finished, it's back to DOS. Also, someone else in the comments wondered how to install 95/98 without a CD. Get DOS installed on the HDD first using floppies. Put the HDD into another computer that has a CD drive, make a folder on the HDD called "OPTIONS" and copy the contents of the Windows 95/98 CD to the "OPTIONS" folder. (You'll copy either the \WIN95 or \WIN98 subdirectory contents depending on version of Windows on CD). Put the HDD back into the laptop, boot to DOS, go to the OPTIONS subdirectory and run SETUP. Windows 95/98 will load lickety-split and you'll have the added bonus of never needing the CD when changes to Windows are made. You can also do this with Windows 3.x by copying all the diskettes to the OPTIONS folder as well.
Fantastic story. Thanks for the high-effort post mate. GOOOO community!
I just got the 32GB mSATA and converter in yesterday and am having a bit of trouble. When I install the drive into the Compaq 5300 it only recognizes it as an 8GB drive, which is normal. The BIOS on these old machines had an 8GB limit. Back then you would load an "overlay" BIOS on the HDD that would override the computer's BIOS and allow the computer to see over 8GB. Well, anyway, I booted the system with a Win98 boot disk, and put a partition on the drive just to test it out. My plan was just to use the 32GB drive as an 8GB for now since I don't have any of those old overlay diskettes laying around any longer. FDISK partitioned the drive just fine however upon reboot the diskette starts to boot and just hangs. I'm assuming DOS 7.1 (the version on the Win98 boot disk) is not recognizing the drive for some odd reason. Back in the day leaving a large drive as 8GB without an overlay worked fine on PC systems but for some reason not on the Compaq. So, I just tracked down a generic overlay diskette on the net and am going to try this again. I'll update with the results. I'm hoping this works as an alternative to using the CF card option.
Concerning the battery, I recommend you buying some lithium ion cells and do a bit of math. Find the designed battery specs, and build yourself a power regulation circuit that adapts modern power cells to the laptop's requirements. It will take some effort, but you can do it.
I do not recommend anybody make their own battery.
Nice video! I got a Compaq LTE 5100 recently and it seems to be in a good condition. It runs Windows 95 at the time, but I will probably do something similar to what you did. But there's a big problem.. I can't get the ESS sound card to work. The sound card is detected and the sound card driveres are installed, but there's no sound from the speakers or head phone jack. The speakers are enabled (status bar icon) and the physical volume control on the side is not muted.. I've managed to record sound using the internal microphone though. Do anyone have any suggestions? Software or hardware issue?
Hi mate. thanks for commenting! Great to hear. If the driver is there and the card is detected then I'd say it sounds like a hardware issue. Especially as you can use the microphone jack. I would suggest uninstalling the driver and re-installing, and checking that the sound card allocated the appropriate IRQ in BIOS. But actually it sounds to me that you should check the integrity of the wiring, soldering etc of the internal speaker and headphone jack.
Thank you! I agree that it seems like a hardware issue. Will try your good suggestions as soon as possible.
I just found a compaq LTE 5250 laptop (a slightly faster model running a Pentium at 120mhz with 16MB of ram and an 40GB HDD) on the floor in the stable at my parents place. It was literally covered in horse sh*t, dirt and staw, but it powers up and works perfectly haha (except for the battery which is dead). It also has windows 95, so I guess that was the os that came preinstalled on these machines (at least mine - my parent know very little about computers).
Good idea with the CF card. I'll definitely do that. At the moment, the only means of transfer I have is the floopy (which works, just installed the shareware version of Doom from original floppys). The only gripe I have with this computer is that it lacks a gameport for a joystick. A PCMCIA to gameport adapter seems to have been around, but I can't seem to find one.
You're dead on. These laptops did come with Win95, but I don't think it runs particularly well which is why I went with DOS and Win3.1. I'm sure PMCCIA -> GamePort adapters exist, but you'll be looking for something old..?
@@MattyStoked I just noticed that it actually has a gameport hidden behind a hatch on the back of the machine DOH. So i'm a happy camper now. I'll go with DOS and windows 3.11 aswell. Just waiting for my CF card adapter to arrive. :) Also, a bit of correction on my inital post, it has a 800mb hdd (not 40gb obviously). Just watched the 8-bit guys guide on DOS laptops and apparently my version is less ideal than the TLE5000 (even if it's faster) because of the fixed 800x600 resolution. So DOS games (that typically has a 320x220 resolution) scales up to 640x480 and leaves black bars to fill the entire screen...
@@PARASITSTUDIOEFFECTS No big deal! It's still a free dosgaming laptop! Keep me posted, I'd love to hear about this. Drop me a line on Twitter if you use it ☺️
Wow, looks like this was quite the project! Great job getting her cleaned up.
Lots of fun. Getting her clean was a long process but worth it in the end. The added CF hard drive has meant I can sideload a whole bunch of DOS games on with very little bother.
That's a plus for sure. Between the initial cost, parts, and your time, hopefully she holds up for you for a while and is worth the investment!
It's fun to tinker with this stuff. I picked up a DOS machine at the dump recently, will be putting a video up in the coming weeks as I try to get it working.
I restored and upgraded a Compaq LTE 5000, adding a Compact Flash card hard drive. It was easier than I expected! Anyone else added a CF card to a DOS machine?
What was the pin count on the IDE for the adapter?
I just obtained a compaq lte 5000. But the cmos battery is gone. Do i need it? I dont know much about computers
You don't need a CMOS battery. The PC will still work fine, it just won't keep internal time. If you make configuration changes in BIOS, these will also reset each time the machine turns off. But you can use the machine sort-of fine without a CMOS battery.
Just saw your video. I just bought an Compaq LTE5300 (with cd drive) and I really like the machine. It gives only that stupid error when I want to upgrade from windows98 to windows98se.
The BIOS of this laptop will not recognize a disk larger than 4GB regardless of partition size. You can use a program like Ontrack Disk Management to get past this limitation. I was able to partition and format 8GB CF cards with a single 8GB partition without any issue.
4:12 , there is a duck .
🦆 them onto some floppies
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I bought one of these today, I paid 5 dollars but i dont know if it is working.
Have you got the power pack etc? Battery is likely to be hosed so I'd remove that and use mains power.
@@MattyStoked If you're daring, the thing to do with the battery is to look up the li-ion cells online, buy replacements, and then go through the careful solder work to replace them in the old battery. If you have the skill. I don't so I'll be putting up with the dead main battery on the 5400 I got ahold of.
yay I have one too. There really well made devices, I had two at one point the first one was doa so got sent a replacement and sent the dead one back where it was possibly just chucked in the bin i never knew the hdd was just a normal drive thought that box was the actual drive also arn`t those cells in the main battery just 18650 cells could just wire up some new ones maybe
You definitely could. I asked some guys who are smarter than me if they could and they all thought it wouldn't be too hard. The problem is that the battery case is glued together. So it was impossible to open it without destroying it :(
@@MattyStoked mines the 5300 as it turns out. So far Iv not done much with the battery but I’ll be giving it a go at some point like you mentioned it works fine plugged in. The battery’s may be slightly different but I’ll post another comment should I get it apart without damage. Iv managed it before on an eee pc sometimes you get lucky and the glue kind of cracks apart.
The Panasonic HHR-380A are an exact replacement. These batteries can be opened without destroying them. Just don’t rush the job.
I just found an LTE 5300, and from what I can tell by dissecting it, the CMOS and main batteries with size and voltage measure up to be something like this:
-The CMOS battery is four 1/4 size AAA NiCd cells in series ending up as a tube that's 62mm long
-The main battery is ten 4/3 size A NiMh cells in series ending up as 5 tubes, each being 133mm long
If you can somehow hunt down such a form factor and feel like messing around with soldering, the math and size seems to add up as both cell types are 1.2V per cell.
The video and its predecessor was very informative for me on how to start maintaining the device, thanks.
Thanks for checking these two videos out! I still use my LTE, I'm glad these were useful to you. I'm not confident enough with electrical engineering to make my own batteries. I would happily bow to someone smarter than me on that, and you sound like one :)
I'm going to try doing this with an old Dell Latitude C600 from 2000. It has a 10GB hard drive I'm going to put a 32GB CF card in it.
Also the RTM floppy disk version of Windows 95 sounds like a fine match for this laptop since it doesn't have all the Internet Explorer bloatware in it (like in the later OEM CD versions), and it can run Win 3.x programs just as fine.
The link to where you got the CMOS battery no longer works it seems.
Found the correct link, it’s www.sosbatteries.com/en/314526-Batterie-Setup-COMPAQ-LTE-5000-LTE-5100-LTE-5153.html
Not terribly surprised, this video is a few years old now. If you're out there looking, best of luck! If you find a link let me know and I'll add it to the description.
The Game Show I have found the link to the exact product. The trouble is is that all links to sosbatteries appear to redirect about half the time. I clicked my own link I got from the website and I was redirected to an ad, then I clicked the same link again and it brought me to the site. It’s the strangest experience I’ve ever had.
Nice work made when laptops were designed to last.
I'm sure you know it, but on the right side you have 2 PCMCIA slots. You can use a PCMCIA to CF adpater and have a super easy way to transfer data to the LTE. It's even hotswap capable (at least under windows 98; I have the Pentium 133 model). No need to remove the HDD CF anymore.
I certainly am aware, I used the PCMCIA ports to connect my external CD-ROM drive. I like what you're saying but I don't want the CF poking out the side the whole time. And there's no way I'm going to install Win98 on a machine with these specs. It crawled with 95 installed! :)
@@MattyStoked The CF isn't poking at all. You can even close the flap. But maybe 75 MHZ is really a little slow for more than Win311. - What did you pay for the CMOS? I searched online and found one for 25 dollars. I won't pay that.
I've got same laptop. and I am struggling with Compact Flash too.
May you please tell how did you installed MS DOS on your card? Did you used Virtual Box?
I put the CF into the adapter, the PC read it as if it was a hard drive. What CF card are you using?
Does it show the CF as a harddrive in the BIOS? This is the first thing that has to work. Then you need MS DOS 6.22. You can find it on google. Boot from DOS Disk 1 and install DOS. The installation will fail if the CF is not recognized. "No harddrive found on this machine".
too bad those laptops are a rarity and are very pricey, i always have wanted a DOS gaming laptop
You've just got to look places other than eBay. People give this stuff away. Check out recycling centres, thrift stores, your Goodwill equivalents etc.
I have the internal CD drive for my 5300. :)
Alright show-off! 😁
I found a UK supplier for the CMOS battery btw: www.radwell.co.uk/Buy/ENERGY%20PLUS/ENERGY%20PLUS/4L50AAA-WR?redirect=true
Me to...Compaq lte 5280. Great article.
Offers accepted yeah? 😂
I'm not sure mine works as I keep getting a CDR104 (door open) error even when the door's closed. Shame 'cause I remember getting a Win98 installation started back in '07.
you can rebuild the battery.
how can you install freedos on this old pc
You can rebuild the battery!
You should rebuild the battery from lithium ion cells. You can buy some from ebay, or maker sites. You'll need to do a little research for what specs you will need for your laptop.
I like my house as it is, not burned down 😆 Seriously I don't have the electrical confidence to make my own battery and plug it into the mains.
@@MattyStoked check out 8bit guys video on it. It's easy.
How you install Windows to cf? I don't understand it. You make it on a modern computer with ide-cable?
The CF card is connected via the laptop's internal IDE, so it functions identically to a HDD. As far at the computer is concerned, it *is* a hard drive. And so you install from floppy just as you would normally.
@@MattyStoked I have a LTE 5300 and a dead HDD. I bought an adapter and UDMA-card but I can't install the system. Should I do the installation on LTE itself or on another machine? Tnx
On the LTE. Have you been able to install DOS? That's your first step, before you can even think about Windows.
@@MattyStoked Well: I put a floppy drive, load DOS (with CD-drive support, of course) take out the floppy, put the CD-drive and begin installation win98?
Win98 would be a bold move. Your steps are correct but I feel the machine would crawl with anything above Windows 3. Also, great job nabbing the CD-ROM drive. I've had to suffice with floppy only!
Question about the partitioning. It will only recognize 2gb, but I see you have an 8gb drive. Do you just create four separate partitions?
Correct. Literally zero reason to have 8gb of storage on DOS though!
The Game Show I've got almost 400gb of old DOS games and a mild case of ADD, so the more games I can fit on the LTE 5400 at once, the better :)
That's probably a million games. Best of luck getting through them all :-)
@@joshuabrown3654 is there a good site to download DOS Roms? thx
Awesome mate !! How much seconds take windows 95 to boot it up?
When it had Win95 on it it was pretty quick to get to the boot screen, but probably took a minute to be usable.
why was the name of the drive BANANA
Guy must have been a Minions fan.
Could you please share the webpage where you bought the cmos battery? Been looking for ever.
It's all in the description buddy
Ohhh sorry.. guess i should read first :-)
No harm done mate. Don't worry about it 😊
The Game Show That link now redirects to a can site, might want to amend that.
If the pcb in the battery is ok the cells would be very easy to replace. because of its age i am almost certain it will be be using NiMH cells and you likely have the right cells in those new batteries that don't fit.
I don't have any batteries at all, nothing turned up. I considered the idea of getting replacement cells. I contacted a few clever folks like Neil at RMC about it but ultimately didn't want to risk burning my house down.
The Game Show worth the risk. Fight fire with fire, as my old man used to say.
Probably why he was sacked from his job as a fireman.
NiMH are relatively safe especially compared to lithium, there unlikely to blow up if you make a mistake. I can talk you through how to do it, or if your willing to send the dead battery to me i would be happy to do it for you. i'm in the uk.
x2 for replacing the cells, should be relatively easy job, not sure how easy it would be to convert to lithium ion for a more modern replacement could be worth a look.
lithium batteries have a very specific charging cycle, trying to charge them on circuitry designed for NiMH can be dangerous. But i definitely think he should have a go, can't do any more damage to the battery and it would make a good video.
Great video , my LTE 5000 had a dead HDD, I've now got a 2GB CF card in there and it shows up just fine in the bios.
My only problem is that I'm now stuck trying to get an operating system on there.
Do you have a USB floppy drive?
@@MattyStoked Not at the moment, it looks like I'll have to get one though.
@@absinthe4breakfast299 You *could* try copying the unpacked DOS files onto the CF card from another machine, but I created "real" install disks with a USB floppy drive and files from WinWorld.
@@MattyStoked Yeah I think I'm going to go the USB floppy drive route, I discovered WinWorld the other day when doing a search for DOS, is there a particular version of DOS that you'd recommend for this machine ?
It seems like a bit of a minefield, I've already downloaded MS DOS 5 from there but have no idea if one of the other versions would be more suitable.
@@absinthe4breakfast299 I'm pretty sure I went with 4 or 5. There's not a lot to choose between them to be honest. I'd say stick with what you've got. I know it feels like a lot, but trust me you can't really mess it up :)
have the cdrom drive if your interested
actually have the lte 5300 with 2 battries (likely dead) and I cdrom. cant find the power cable. Is this worth anything to anyone?
Absolutely I am interested. Can you email thegameshowuk@gmail.com please?
@@MattyStoked Hey I have no idea how I would get it the UK. I am in canada. I also have no idea how much it would cost to ship such a heavy unit.
Hey. Please send me an email and we can chat about it there instead of in public. I'll happily pay shipping.
Windows 95 ran very well on a Pentium 75mhz. It ran well on a 486DX4-100 as well. DX2-66 would run but IMO is pushing it and is better for MS-DOS/Win31