It will forever frustrate me that the character roster of BFN will forever be left with an uneven character roster to one side, especially with the fact that Iceberg Lettuce was SO CLOSE to being finished before being cut (basically finished aside from icons and polish).
Man, the more I learn about BFN, the more I get so upset over how much potential it still had going for it when they cut the plug At least GW1 and 2 feel like completed games even if they were both meant to keep getting more content
Oh MOST CERTAINLY. I would nerf Yeti Imp tremendously. Since TV Head is said to be a Support/Swarm character in his menu bio, I was thinking maybe all his abilities are more so for hindering plants or helping zombies than actual harm. For example, Unkind Rewind does less damage but inflicts Time Warp, similar to Rose's Time Snare upgrade. Yeti Imp only does as much damage as the Liftoff upgrade at the closest proximity (40 dmg) but it freezes plants in their place. Overheated Dinner also does more knockback than actual damage. This would help him stand out more from Wildflower, who is more of an Attack/Swarm character.
Popcap crunched like hell to include as much stuff as possible before the discontinuation. Well, i think they crucnhed throughout the entire games lifespan
Honestly, after watching this video and considering how out of place Wizard is sometimes. I think him being unfinished in some form makes sense, especially because there was an unused, unique character to the Plants team that never got added. (Still wish Iceberg Lettuce was in the actual game. ;-;)
I’ve always found it funny how you had to BUY the gesture to make the Wizard sad. It’s like a headcanon to me where Wizard is so jolly, you have to LITERALLY PAY HIM TO BE SAD. He’s probably the closest thing zombies have to the physical manifestation of an unbreakable spirit, and I find it hilarious!
Some other things I'd like to point out (mainly unused content and bugs) - There's a pretty common glitch where wizard's sprint animation just bugs out. - One thing I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in the history of this game to have ever noticed is the purpose given to the common skins (the recolors), they're all used for ai champions, the ones with more health, so perhaps we were gonna fight wizard ais in the campaign and the champion version of them would have worn the orange oracle. - He also has a couple of unused taunts. - Pretty sure the reason he doesn't have the dummy skin is because of visual glitches, or that popcap literally FORGOT about the NPC (also the reload doesn't really make sense). - And probably more that I forgot about and might add to this comment later on.
I just wish the game wasn't killed so quickly. I think people would like it a lot more if they had the time to add more of the classes and legendary weapons that were planned
To me another point to him being unfinished is that he can’t turn plants into sheep which was his whole thing in 2 and it probably would of been the ability that currently is taken up by the invincibility potion
He really should have a sheepify ability. Hes basically the inspiration for rose so why not. Another thing is its a real shame they got rid of variants in BFN, cause the wizard could have really cool ones. Pyromancer, Cryomancer, Geomancer, hydromancer, etc.
It’s sad that this game thrown out so quickly it had so much potential the only thing good about its cancellation is that we have infinite time to get through the prize maps even though they could have just been made like switch so we can do anyone anytime
The only two times you ever see Wizards in Giddy Park are: 1. Shadily hanging by the changing booths for completely non-suspect reasons 2. Unleashing their inner adrenaline junkie and riding on top of a gnome-powered Brainium Basher to help them spawn camp
@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast Is bfn on console alive compared to pc? Lowest today was literally 100 players and I have only seen like 5 total giddypark lmao
You are 100% right. I forget where this was but it might just be lost to time but wizard and berry brigade (another scrapped plant class) were both suppose ot be released at launch from an old leak. I think Wizard being somewhat unfinished here can back up this claim pretty easily but the berry brigade part I can not back up since the proof is lost to time. Wizard had more work done on him so he got added later, berry brigade got scrapped since he was much less worked on and had some harder working parts than wizard and iceberg lettuce. They must have switched to iceberg because of this.
Speaking of unfinished... in Battle Arena, when you play as either Wildflower or a TV-Head, your icon will be anything BUT a Wildflower or a TV-Head. I legit do not know how that oversight was made, but boy is it one I can see myself making if I was on the dev team
There was 2 plant characters left in the game that were somewhat near completion. Since the game was so poorly received, they never bothered completing them. Idk why they chose to make the swarm characters instead of completing the unfinished characters since I thought that would take less effort.
my opinions on this old man are mixed, he feels a little janky to play but not too bad, im pretty decent with the guy, but then on plants team, im killing them without breaking a sweat, in my opinion he has no counters to anything, and gets countered by everything, but i just cant seem to put my finger on it
the whole of BfN always seemed like it was left unfinished if you think about it, whether it be the constant need for rebalancing, janky bug suddenly appearing from the mist like team swap and invincibility, or just the leaked and theorised other 7 or so characters. I think they definitely didn't finish the game and just threw it out on us with what they had ready, then worked from there.
You can’t tell me that GW2 didn’t have similar bugs. Hell, the team swap glitch and morph glitch are still running rampant online today. At least with BFN, the game-braking bugs have mostly been patched out, and the ones that haven’t can be dealt with fairly easily. Wizard softlock glitch can be countered if you have good reaction time Flying 80s glitch is a complete joke with how slow you move Am I missing anything? But yes, BFN definitely needed another year or so in the oven to come out better.
Imagine ALL the legendary upgrades wizard could’ve had. Like. “`Zand` (a spin on Wand,) A Upgrade That Switches Out Your Staff For A Rapid Fire-Combo Capable Wand That Run’s Off The Overheat mechanism (Like All-Star.) that Does More Damage If You’re Able To Combo.” Or different abilities said Legendary Upgrade’s Could’ve Granted. Wizard had so many ability possibilities It Isn’t Funny. So many ways to turn the character from a support class to a murder machine that could rival plant’s as well as any other zombie. The support classes, specifically the one’s from the base games-are capable of defending themselves. Wizard, however. Is not capable of such. And is entirely dependent on The Effectiveness Of Their Team, If They Have One. So a legendary upgrade that could change wizard’s abilities, primary and all around play style would be GREAT. Like scientist and steam blaster. But actually deserving of it.
The only thing that annoys me is that every characters attack keeps attacking while you hold the shoot button But you have to spam the wizard Its annoying as hell
I still like to think gw 1 was all popcap, gw 2 was both popcap and ea, and bfn was all ea through a decision making standpoint. As you can see gw 1 only had coins to buy, gw 2 had coins and characters, while bfn was everything in the game was monetized
@@nickytembo4112 EA sees pvz as not very profitable. Clearly it's bringing in something becuase of the severs for all three games still being up. But the franchise just isn't worth making more of to them. But you never know
I don’t feel like i need to be the next person to bring up this game’s fate, but alas, the fans whined and protested, and this is the end product we got. Darn
This whole game is entirely made up of wasted potential and it still bums me that things didn't go the developer's way. We had several characters that were cut, which could have kept the game alive for a good amount of time. I'm not sure how hard it is to make characters in this game, but they ideally could have added two maybe three new characters a year. I kind of brushed off Wizard feeling incomplete at launch, cause I just assumed that every new character from that point onward would be treated similar (less outfits, emotes, stuff like that). I'm not a big fan of the game anymore and lost any interest since development was cut short, but man do I still wonder what the game could have been.
It will forever frustrate me that the character roster of BFN will forever be left with an uneven character roster to one side, especially with the fact that Iceberg Lettuce was SO CLOSE to being finished before being cut (basically finished aside from icons and polish).
It also lacked its own animations data miners that show iceberg lettuce in videos use other characters animations mostly peashooters
@@stargazer-elite I feel like the animation stuff was probably finished just not implemented given how finished the rest of the character was
@@sonicrunn3r895 perhaps
@Suggestator Don't worry, that forever frustrates me too!
Popcap try not to have a zombie bias challenge (impossible!)
Don't worry ea/popcup is just an indie game company they're doing their best
PopCap and EA are very small indie companies, we must stick up for the little guys here!
@@SylviaYSI man i hope they make a revolutionary game series
This is the funniest comment I’ve seen in quite a while.
r/Sarcasm
“Either you’re dumb or you’re sarcastic, either one is equally bad.”
Dont worry, wizard is getting fixed in the octobruary update on the 48th
Can’t wait, this update is gonna be huge!
Peak comment
Man, the more I learn about BFN, the more I get so upset over how much potential it still had going for it when they cut the plug
At least GW1 and 2 feel like completed games even if they were both meant to keep getting more content
I mean bfn just kinda dropped off in popularity after launch so that probably didn't help
I find it funny how the extremely common AIs turn out to be some of the best characters in the game 😂 (tv and wildflower)
Swarm characters may be unorginal
But they ate fun to play!
Not fun to be on the receiving end… they needed to nerf the dang speed upgrade for the drone, as well as nerf the damage overall of you ask me.
@@TwilightChomperEnthusiastWell they aren't going to be nerfed sadly.
@@Galaxyflower702 Sad, really.
Indeed my friend indeed
Oh MOST CERTAINLY. I would nerf Yeti Imp tremendously.
Since TV Head is said to be a Support/Swarm character in his menu bio, I was thinking maybe all his abilities are more so for hindering plants or helping zombies than actual harm.
For example, Unkind Rewind does less damage but inflicts Time Warp, similar to Rose's Time Snare upgrade.
Yeti Imp only does as much damage as the Liftoff upgrade at the closest proximity (40 dmg) but it freezes plants in their place.
Overheated Dinner also does more knockback than actual damage.
This would help him stand out more from Wildflower, who is more of an Attack/Swarm character.
Popcap crunched like hell to include as much stuff as possible before the discontinuation. Well, i think they crucnhed throughout the entire games lifespan
Honestly, after watching this video and considering how out of place Wizard is sometimes. I think him being unfinished in some form makes sense, especially because there was an unused, unique character to the Plants team that never got added. (Still wish Iceberg Lettuce was in the actual game. ;-;)
Same
Well one could speculate the wizards kit was going to be totally different as when the Wizard first debuted it didn’t use an orb
I’ve always found it funny how you had to BUY the gesture to make the Wizard sad. It’s like a headcanon to me where Wizard is so jolly, you have to LITERALLY PAY HIM TO BE SAD. He’s probably the closest thing zombies have to the physical manifestation of an unbreakable spirit, and I find it hilarious!
I like how Wildflower is kind of the same, where he's always smiling. He doesn't ever feel sad, not even when he dies.
Some other things I'd like to point out (mainly unused content and bugs)
- There's a pretty common glitch where wizard's sprint animation just bugs out.
- One thing I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in the history of this game to have ever noticed is the purpose given to the common skins (the recolors), they're all used for ai champions, the ones with more health, so perhaps we were gonna fight wizard ais in the campaign and the champion version of them would have worn the orange oracle.
- He also has a couple of unused taunts.
- Pretty sure the reason he doesn't have the dummy skin is because of visual glitches, or that popcap literally FORGOT about the NPC (also the reload doesn't really make sense).
- And probably more that I forgot about and might add to this comment later on.
I just wish the game wasn't killed so quickly. I think people would like it a lot more if they had the time to add more of the classes and legendary weapons that were planned
I agree but most people would make the argument that it should have been good from the start
Tomodachi Life music at the end is such a banger dude. Love it
To me another point to him being unfinished is that he can’t turn plants into sheep which was his whole thing in 2 and it probably would of been the ability that currently is taken up by the invincibility potion
His potion is far more consistent as a part of his kit. The invincibility, sprint, and ability cancelling is his best support tool, unironically.
At least he got a chance to be playable……….. unlike iceberg lettuce 😢😢😢😢😢😢
I think the fact that wizard has an exploit that can LITERALLY SOFTLOCK PEOPLE tells you everything you need to know.
He really should have a sheepify ability. Hes basically the inspiration for rose so why not. Another thing is its a real shame they got rid of variants in BFN, cause the wizard could have really cool ones. Pyromancer, Cryomancer, Geomancer, hydromancer, etc.
I thought he would have a floaty fall in sprint like rose does.
Its minor but i would have aprreciated it.
I really want that unused content video tho
I might make one in the future, but I’m the type of guy to cover as much as I can, so… it would be a very long video
@@SylviaYSI I see this as an absolute win
Wizard's giant orb + Engineer's Heavy Helper = OP
It’s sad that this game thrown out so quickly it had so much potential the only thing good about its cancellation is that we have infinite time to get through the prize maps even though they could have just been made like switch so we can do anyone anytime
The only two times you ever see Wizards in Giddy Park are:
1. Shadily hanging by the changing booths for completely non-suspect reasons
2. Unleashing their inner adrenaline junkie and riding on top of a gnome-powered Brainium Basher to help them spawn camp
Twilight chomper was the best character in the game imo
"oh cool it's a wizard"
"wait, why is he just standing near that changing booth? oh he's co-staring me now... oh, NOOO"
@@FreakFrederick It’s so common that I have a muscle-memory routine for dealing with them now.
@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast Is bfn on console alive compared to pc? Lowest today was literally 100 players and I have only seen like 5 total giddypark lmao
@@FreakFrederick Console is still quite active!
You are 100% right. I forget where this was but it might just be lost to time but wizard and berry brigade (another scrapped plant class) were both suppose ot be released at launch from an old leak. I think Wizard being somewhat unfinished here can back up this claim pretty easily but the berry brigade part I can not back up since the proof is lost to time.
Wizard had more work done on him so he got added later, berry brigade got scrapped since he was much less worked on and had some harder working parts than wizard and iceberg lettuce. They must have switched to iceberg because of this.
Speaking of unfinished... in Battle Arena, when you play as either Wildflower or a TV-Head, your icon will be anything BUT a Wildflower or a TV-Head.
I legit do not know how that oversight was made, but boy is it one I can see myself making if I was on the dev team
There was 2 plant characters left in the game that were somewhat near completion. Since the game was so poorly received, they never bothered completing them. Idk why they chose to make the swarm characters instead of completing the unfinished characters since I thought that would take less effort.
my opinions on this old man are mixed, he feels a little janky to play but not too bad, im pretty decent with the guy, but then on plants team, im killing them without breaking a sweat, in my opinion he has no counters to anything, and gets countered by everything, but i just cant seem to put my finger on it
Man this game had so much potential maybe more than gw2 and gw1
the whole of BfN always seemed like it was left unfinished if you think about it, whether it be the constant need for rebalancing, janky bug suddenly appearing from the mist like team swap and invincibility, or just the leaked and theorised other 7 or so characters. I think they definitely didn't finish the game and just threw it out on us with what they had ready, then worked from there.
You can’t tell me that GW2 didn’t have similar bugs. Hell, the team swap glitch and morph glitch are still running rampant online today. At least with BFN, the game-braking bugs have mostly been patched out, and the ones that haven’t can be dealt with fairly easily.
Wizard softlock glitch can be countered if you have good reaction time
Flying 80s glitch is a complete joke with how slow you move
Am I missing anything?
But yes, BFN definitely needed another year or so in the oven to come out better.
I mean if you saw the latest pvz 2 plants like meteor flower, everything they do now is unfinished
You’re not wrong, unfortunately
@@SylviaYSI hopefully they get their stuff together and make quality things again, but I sadly doubt it
Imagine ALL the legendary upgrades wizard could’ve had. Like.
“`Zand` (a spin on Wand,) A Upgrade That Switches Out Your Staff For A Rapid Fire-Combo Capable Wand That Run’s Off The Overheat mechanism (Like All-Star.) that Does More Damage If You’re Able To Combo.”
Or different abilities said Legendary Upgrade’s Could’ve Granted. Wizard had so many ability possibilities It Isn’t Funny.
So many ways to turn the character from a support class to a murder machine that could rival plant’s as well as any other zombie.
The support classes, specifically the one’s from the base games-are capable of defending themselves.
Wizard, however. Is not capable of such. And is entirely dependent on The Effectiveness Of Their Team, If They Have One.
So a legendary upgrade that could change wizard’s abilities, primary and all around play style would be GREAT.
Like scientist and steam blaster. But actually deserving of it.
Yeah you're probably right.
Its wired seeing your new pfp for some reason i had your voice connect with josuke for a while 😭
Lol
Maybe in GW3 he'll be finished
Hopefully
Or BFN2
watching this on live rn lol
Honestly I wouldn't have been suprised consedering plants were supposed to get ice berg lettuce which was almost added
man the wasted potential in bfn truly makes me so sad to think about
Wizard is hot
Real????
@XavierYSI just take off his hat and eyebrows and he's the most attractive man ever
Alternate title BFN is unfinished (And heres how)
The only thing that annoys me is that every characters attack keeps attacking while you hold the shoot button
But you have to spam the wizard
Its annoying as hell
Wizard is broken and I love him.
I grinded for days.
I grinded for him and then wildflower and tv head came out in the next few days...
@@Goose_was_taken I bought TV head
I still like to think gw 1 was all popcap, gw 2 was both popcap and ea, and bfn was all ea through a decision making standpoint. As you can see gw 1 only had coins to buy, gw 2 had coins and characters, while bfn was everything in the game was monetized
How was everything monetized, I thought it was only rainbow stars and coins.
@@mr.productions327 cosmetics and characters
Hot take: TV Head SHOULDN'T have been added.
If Iceberg Lettuce wasn't going to make it, why give the zombies a twelth class?!
23 characters
feals cursed and unbalanced since zombies have advanteg in terms of strategies
He's pretty weak imo
isn't he a support character? @@Goose_was_taken
He is unfinished clearly because he doesn't turn plants into sheeps
Broken or not he’s still my favorite class
So sad that pvz is essentially dead
Let’s hope that the current state of the franchise doesn’t last for long, as we do have a few ways out of this dilemma
@@SylviaYSI I wouldn't hold my breath on it
@@jtck1310why not?
@@nickytembo4112 EA sees pvz as not very profitable. Clearly it's bringing in something becuase of the severs for all three games still being up. But the franchise just isn't worth making more of to them. But you never know
I don’t feel like i need to be the next person to bring up this game’s fate, but alas, the fans whined and protested, and this is the end product we got. Darn
0:12 hey I'm..... you know your right
This whole game is entirely made up of wasted potential and it still bums me that things didn't go the developer's way. We had several characters that were cut, which could have kept the game alive for a good amount of time. I'm not sure how hard it is to make characters in this game, but they ideally could have added two maybe three new characters a year. I kind of brushed off Wizard feeling incomplete at launch, cause I just assumed that every new character from that point onward would be treated similar (less outfits, emotes, stuff like that). I'm not a big fan of the game anymore and lost any interest since development was cut short, but man do I still wonder what the game could have been.
I still play bfn just in case they pick the game back up qnd start updating it again I wont have to grind for coins/stars
How did anyone who was making this game think this was a good idea
God the way EA handled this game upsets me, I hope we will get a game like BFN except with a longer lifespan and better development
Popcap
Ya he needs finished
Let go new video
Was anything finished about this game?
Some things here and there, like the campaigns and maps
@@SylviaYSIBFN should’ve been delayed until 2020.
somgie
ea ruined everything
It was popcaps fault
play neighborville with me
whole bfn is unfinished
Sadly true
Wizard Boss Is Better.
LoL
😂😂😂😂
First non member!
I wish this game wasn't complete ass. GW2 is a masterpiece and seeing it dropped for something this miserably below average is just... disheartening.
typical creeps20 video title
Lol