I remember back in the day when the G3258 and the GTX 750 Ti seemed like the budget build combo of choice for a lot of people. Can't imagine it holding up all that well today.
Couldn't agree more. I'd a Pentium G860 (2nd Gen. Sandy Bridge) along with an R7-260X (comparable to 750Ti, more or less). I bought that CPU thinking it'd serve me well for years to come... until I ran Mass Effect 3 (original) on it. There were tons of stutters and jitters and the system would struggle to maintain even 50FPS at times, probably due to Nvidia PhysX eating up CPU resources. Knew straight away what a massive mistake I'd made. Even the ancient Q6600 running bone stock would've fared better than that G860. Skipped the i5, jumped straight to i7-2600 and never looked back.
I had a g3258 cpu as a place holder in 2014 as I saved up for an i5 4690k. It performed well enough for the games I played at the time like kerbal space program and elite dangerous
You missed the most important aspect: Windows XP I still use the G3258 to this day... not in my main build, but in my WinXP retro rig. It is the best chip possible for XP, by a very wide margin. Haswell (Broadwell) is the last platform that supports XP. There are no XP exclusives that can utilize more than 2 threads... and despite the 3.2 Ghz base clock, this beast easily overclocks up to a massive 4.5, sometimes even 4.6 or 4.7. The next closest performer to this in XP would be an i5 with two of the cores disabled in BIOS to save on TDP and voltage. It was technically a "Devil's Canyon" release alongside the refreshed i5-4690K and i7-4790K chips. With an improved TIM and voltage regulator under the IHS. Though you can still delid and liquid metal to eek out a couple more Mhz if you want.
Delidding didn't help for me, max OC was stll 4.7GHz, but did it anyway. These run so cool even with a copper-core stock cooler that almost anything can cool these.
@@RuruFIN Yeah I run mine at 5.1Ghz with a tower cooler without any fans on it, and the only case fans are one 200mm intake and one slim 200mm exhaust (BitFenix Survivor) it would be inaudible if I got a passive PSU.
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I thought his GTA V results were strange, I wonder if the game has changed since 2014. I played that on a system with the same CPU @ 4.5Ghz and an r7 265. It did not do what he saw.
@@GOPACKERSJT I was definitely on W7 and I remember playing Metro Last Light with a GTX 950 and getting over 60 fps no stutters it used to stutter a bit in GTA 5 but not as much as in this video
I wonder where the sound goes, during its time away. Is there a magical sound purgatory somewhere in the pc where it hangs out with all the other forgotten background processes while it waits for its turn?
I suggest testing the Pentium Gold G4560. I used it as a basis on an office build I made a few years ago and unlike its predecessors it did have HT. For 50-60€ it was a great option at the time as I think it was almost as fast as an i3.
@@IcebergTech I'm still using a 2015 G3258 on my office computer with a 660 TI and it runs great with pre 2020 titles with the exception of far cry 4 that demands 4 cores. it will play far cry 5 and 6 is questionable but still playable on a h81m motherboard.
10:42 I am 100% certain this CPU could have handled Crysis...on Windows 7. Around that time that was the most popular OS and the much lower overhead it provided could have made the experience at least playable. That alone was the reason most people held on to it until 2020, some even holding on until this very year (I myself only moved on because the GPU in my 7 system died a few months ago). Pity right now 7 has become a liability (online at least), as even extended support has ended, but it was fun while it lasted. Also, given the results on display, I'm sure a lot of FX 6300 users feel smug right about now...last I checked, there weren't any games to not start on that chip... P.S. Nice jab at sponsors in the intro XD P.P.S. I know Windows 8 was also around at that time, but let's be honest, it flopped (8.1 was too little too late)
Yeah, that had occurred to me. Crysis is usually a nightmare for me on any system these days, it straight up refuses to start on my R7 5700X and I can't figure out why. PS. The jab was at UA-cam advice channels! Next week's intro jab is at UA-camrs who use the word "guys" a lot. Maybe I shouldn't be burning bridges like this...
No joke you'd have been better off on LGA775 with a C2Q. The only advantage with instructions was SSE 4.2. Otherwise running one of the 1333MHz FSB C2Q on a 1600MHz FSB (all 45nm C2 could reliably hit at least 4GHz so 3.6GHz was fine) would give a better experience. So TBH the G3258 did live up to the Pentium 4...just not the earlier good Pentium models.
Lower the resolution for single playe or even multi playerr? 1080p was high res back then imo. Try on some old 4:3 (5:4) monitors...Low res helps a lot LOL
Great video. Keep in mind that when it was released in 2014, a pc with the G3258 and a gtx 750ti could be assembled for around $250 which was an incredible value for it's time and 720p gaming was very common then. You could get a 4.2ghz with no cpu throttling on the stock cooler. A whole lot of games like Far Cry 3 were played on those budget machines. I am surprised that Crysis doesn't play better, maybe an update has made it worse for dual core pc's, (Maybe your overclock is too high, I have a suspicion that if you lowered the o.c to 4.5ghz AND lowered the voltage that your audio problems might disappear.) Now days, the G3258 is good for a cheap Windows 7 or XP retro gaming pc. As shown, Vsync is often a friend.
No it wasn't, back in the day you could build an Athlon X4 750K + R7 260X for way cheaper and get more than double the performance of that combo, but nobody really knew it back then, reviewers were using outdated games optimized for Nvidia in their benchmarks, and many broke college students only cared about CSGO and LoL which are DX9 games. On the other hand, the G3258 and 750 Ti still have value for collectors, so sometimes buying iconic terrible hardware is a good idea.
James Smith, Crysis runs very well with a Barton (2.O GHz single core). The game doesn't need a more powerful processor, the RTX 3070 does. All tests are wrong because of this.
I definitely don’t have a budget rig (12700k/3060 Ti/DDR5), but your videos are always a delight to watch. I love that you how show off the utility (or lack thereof) of less shiny parts that can be grabbed for a bargain. Keep up the good work!
Dug out my g3258 and oc to 4.0ghz on stock cooler. Stable so will run benchmarks soon. Added 16gb ddr3 1600mhz ram and ssd. Thanks for the inspiration!
I can still remember getting my first AMD Dual Core and how proud I was. Today, you can't really use a CPU with less than 8 Threads - damn, I'm grown old. I really like your Videos. Really well-made, great voice-over, and I love that humor of yours. When are we getting Patreon? (Idiot me just saw it at the end of the Video :D)
I have binned a bunch of these CPUs , most cap at 4.4-4.6ghz really hard to find ones that do 4.8-5ghz. my best sample does 4.9ghz at 1.375v. reviewers mostly got cherry picked samples to sell the product in a misleading way showing them easily doing 4.7ghz+ GTA V ran fine back in the day but due to a fairly recent update after its launch to address multi core threading issues it is now unplayable on the G3258. Before the update it could do 60fps locked fairly well with minimal stutter. Most games also hidden lockouts and will just not run on a dual core at all Far Cry 4 being one of them I think
In 2015 I had an Athlon II x2 250 at 3.6 GHz with a Gt 240, 8 gigs of RAM. GTA 5 and Crysis ran fairly ok around 30 fps avg with some stutters, but nothing as bad as this. It´s either new updates that broke those games with dual core cpus, or the newest Windows (I had windows 7 back then).
try an older gpu using an older driver on an older version of windows. It was perfect for retro games and emulators with period correct hardware and software. A complete retro emulation PC could be under $200 with some savvy shopping, and something like PCSX2, UT2004, or probably even UT3 at the time, would run better on a G3258 than on a Sandy i7. Modern video drivers and modern windows, however, will choke and die on a dual core CPU. It was, in fact, the best bang for buck PS2/GC emulation CPU of the era.
Ive used that one in my main rig almost 10 years ago, and then gave it to my brother when I upgraded. He used it until february 2021 when he upgraded to 5600G. Now G3220 is at the heart of our home server, still going strong lol
I'm pretty sure something is wrong with those Crysis numbers. The game ran very well on the Core 2 Duo CPUs back in the day which are also 2c/2t. I ordered one of these CPUs to do some testing with.
well, supposedly Haswell systems can be fairly compatible with Windows XP, and given how XP era software won't require much, if any, multithreading, this CPU just might be perfect for a boutique "ultimate" retro XP rig.
Okay, I'm sorry but I call bullshit. There HAS to be something seriously wrong going on here. This cpu isn't THAT old, and it really shouldn't, well, do THIS.
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Actually, the switch the Pentium was due, in no small part, from the fact the Intel couldn't trademark numbers. So they couldn't stop AMD making their AM486 or Cyrix from their Cx486 processors; both of which dropped effortlessly into Intel spec 486 motherboards. So they created the Pentium brand.
I commented this on the community post but I feel obligated to do it again here. this was the cpu in my first gaming pc, which I built for 350 dollars in 2017 when I was a broke middle school kid. paired it with an msi h81m p33 (which weirdly had overclocking), 8gb of ddr3 and a gtx 1050 2gb. back then I mostly played source engine games, minecraft, gta 4, etc. gta 4 mostly because I couldn't play gta 5 because even back then it was a stuttery unplayable mess on this cpu. same story with fortnite, which is why I never got into fortnite (this cpu did me a service, lets be real). but for those older games, it ran great. needless to say though, it was one of the first things I upgraded in that pc (went to an i7 4770k). interesting though that it outlived the 4770k, as I sold the 4770k to build a ryzen system 2 years ago and just gave the g3258, my shitty h81 mobo and the 16gb ddr3 i had at that point to my dad to use as a music production system since they really werent worth selling anyway. good thing he only uses windows 7 and mostly windows 7 era software because the g3258 is essentially just a core 2 duo on steroids. it's absolutely crazy now that you can get an *18 core* xeon e5 2699 v3 for just 10 dollars more than I originally bought that pentium for in 2017. speaking of the xeon, please please PLEASE do a video on the e5 2699 v3, it's literally a haswell ddr4 18 core for just 60 dollars on ebay
I've never seen games hang that long without crashing or having the OS lock up completely and needing to manually power off the computer. So that's something.
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@@IcebergTech Thank you very much for your answer. :D I did try to search by clicking the link in the description of the video, but there are tons of them :)
Back in the day, I was forever scarred by dual cores with Call of Duty: Black Ops. I enjoyed MW1 and MW2 well on my Pentium E2180 and 8600GT, but Black Ops just came outta nowhere the following year after MW2 and humbled my build. I went on to get a Core i3, wanted the i5 but couldn't get up to the price level at the time, but I was adamant that 4 threads were necessary. Then came this lovely Pentium G3258 that proved me absolutely right, shutting down all arguments. If I disable HT for example, all those issues you see with GTA5 manifests itself on my i3 3240, with HT on, completely gone, not even a hint of it. No matter how much you overclock a CPU, you just can't get over the 99% pegged utilization that's causing the issue.
Honestly the 3258 in some places costs more used with a board and 8gb ram, then the X99 board and cpu combo. A 4170/8gb ram and b85 costed 50€ cheaper then a 6800k+X99 gaming 7 localy(150 i3 200€ for x99)
Dude even the Athlon X4 880K struggles a bit with Fortnite and it has 4-threads, I most say 880K play some games better than G3258 but not all and average FPS in most of those games is still not higher even if more "playable" due to less stutters.
Could u try out the xeon e3 1231 v3? I used it to upgrade my i5 4460 and its an really great chip! Only sad part is that it doesnt have an unlocked multiplier but for the rest its great! I get arround 3.6-3.7ghz all core clock in valorant and 3.8 all core in beamng!
I had that one alongside a GTX 750 nearly a decade ago. I was able to play GTA 5 but I had to cap it at 30 FPS due to the streaming issue as noted in the video.
Yeah, this sound desync is why we don't record in variable framerate; I used to use the G3258 to make videos. I mean, you totally can record VFR, you just have to reencode with a constant framerate later to avoid desync issues.
When I saw this release, I referred to it as a poor purchase then due to frame times and its lack of hyperthreading. Informed others to simply save their money and at least get last gen deals on higher core count options. There was much pushback by those who decided it was worth defending such a... product. However as always, time has shown which ones aged better than others. Thank you for showcasing the G3258.
this is a big problem for me like most likely depends what u wanna games for it.. it needs like AVX Supported and usually some other games like it crash or it wont started but i use this before but i upgraded to gold g5400 other games still can run but the others wont run
Shockingly enough, I am watching this video and commenting from a G3258 machine I built almost a decade ago. I was going for a super budget build: g3258 clocked at 4.2 GHz (stock cooler), AMD R7 360 GPU, and 8 GB of DDR3 ram. At the time, it did pretty well, but I definitely do not game on it anymore. Mostly light school work and some storage is what I use it for. UA-cam is a real struggle for this poor chip even lol.
the hashwel pentium was good for what it was but in games it was horrible. i cannot explain why but it just craps itself most of the times, specially if you turn on shadows even on games from 10 years prior to its release. its still a relevant cpu for web browsing though, it runs on 10w of power.
If I remember, Gothic 4 : Arcana was the first game that actually required a Quad Core to play properly. Ok it was a shit game, but if you did want to play it, you probably couldn't, even with an i3-540 (a respectable CPU back then) with an overclock from 3.06Ghz to 4.0Ghz, as I found out. The game used 4 cores and one of them was exclusively to render the sound. Even with Hyperthreading on my dual core i3, the game was a stutterfest, with sound de-syncs and terrible pauses. Its strange then how a Ryzen 3 laptop APU, like the 3200U or something, only has two cores with hyper threading, but doesn't suffer the same consequences as the G3258. Perhaps it's the 200% increase in IPC.
Ooof, this is rough, even back then a lot of games were already unplayble with this CPU. GTA5, Insurgency sandstorm, Dragon age inquisition to name a few. The rest like Rise of tomb raider, original Witcher 3 while playable stutter is a common occurrence. I even remembered I had to reinstall windows 8.1 cuz windows 10 would disable OC with H81 motherboard. This little thing did hold on till I got a Ryzen 2600, now replaced by a 5700x.
I have a soft spot for the G3258 as it was my "return" to DIY gaming PCs after going the laptop route for years through and after college. I'm typing this comment on a bit of a descendant of that system, which is a 4770k I keep in my office and is still surprisingly competent today. I still have the old 3258 at 4.6 GHzin a B85 board and the R9 270x I originally paired it with, which serves as a media center PC and plays Star Trek Online in the guest room. Even when new it wasn't much of a beast at the time, but it ran slightly older games at the time really, really well. I got it in the MicroCenter bundle for $100 with a motherboard and RAM, and pieced together the rest of a used system I could afford on my recent-grad budget. I had a free 8800GT at first, and later upgraded to the 270x which was on sale for Black Friday in 2014. I remember being so impressed at how well it ran everything from the late 2000s-2012ish that were a struggle on my Gateway FX laptop from college. I definitely played some GTA V on it, and it did run Crysis back then, but it was on Windows 7. GTA V was not smooth, but it was playable, haha. I upgraded to a 4670k and crossfire 280Xs around that time, and kept the 3258 and 270x as a secondary system as it still exists today.
I still own one of these - first computer I ever built, I got a z97 extreme 6 and a g3258 to tide me over until the launch of Broadwell. It was terrible in 2015 too. Even basic computer usage in early windows 10 was excruciating on 2 threads. I was just consolidating a bunch of loose PC parts and slapped together the old build a few days ago, but it's got a 5775c in it, not the Pentium K. I know some amateur LN2 overclockers, I've always been tempted to bring the system over and see how much I can get the pentium to rip
Thats so intersting that the G3258 suffers so badly nowadays, when the 4790k was basically around the same time and can still play pretty much all the current games. The core count is completely the limiting factor?
It's all about the pentiums! This makes me wonder, G3258 was a much better chip back in the days of Windows 7. Since Windows 10 does Windows in the background, maybe Linux would actually game better with this chip.
I have a feeling you've done something wrong because I have had this cpu for quite some time (overclocked to 4.3) and I played all the older games you tested without any stutter issues. I had it paired with a GTX 750 TI
I remember in the Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge days the question was frequently asked "Why isn't there an overclockable i3?" The answer, of course, was that it would cannibalize sales of i5's and i7's. Fast forward a couple of years and I've always thought of the G3258 as Intel finally sort of going "Here it is, this is what you asked for!" And I remember the hype level for it at the time being quite high. But they were still scared of making it too good and by then dual cores were teetering on the precipice of complete irrelevance. Nevertheless, I don't know if I could say it was a bad buy. It was probably better than any other CPU you could get for $75 at the time (and I think you could get them for $50 at Micro Center if you bought one with a motherboard), and it would have played most of the popular esports type stuff of the era, I don't think anybody sensible expected it to be a AAA title chip. Of course it's basically unusable now but even the Haswell i7's are falling off the cliff by this point.
One thing you didn't mention, is your resolution. I play complete witcher 3 twice with this cpu, gtx 650 and 6gb ram. My res was 1440*900p. It use to give 45~ fps. You must be testing on 4k
i miss my GOATED Pentium G4560. When that chip came out in 2017 it was huge, being a 2C/4T Pentium with hyperthreading and it was between £55 - £60 in the UK. any chance of a revisit on this chip to see how it stacks up in 2023.
these on release were cracking budget chips, not anymore. pretty much useless. these g3258's were beating fx8350s in games. i had 2 budget builds when it was new for customers. g3258 with gtx960 then an fx8350 paired with 290x, the pentium system was faster overall in games tested.
Wow, can't believe this Pentium is now a "nostalgic" or "retro" CPU, I'm watching this on a 3570k at 4.7ghz. Older, but with twice the cores and l3 cache. But even at the time a dual core being recommended was laughable to me, I probably can still run all these games ok on my phenom 2 x4.
See how the g3258 does for windows XP retro gaming. It could be the cheapest and best CPU for retro gaming. Pair it with a GTX 960 the last supported GPU for windows XP.
Love the video and I appreciate the fact that you're actually covering a 'non gamers CPU like this, but let's be honest. This CPU was never meant for this kind of use case. At best, it is good for games like Fallout 3 or Skyrim. I am a little surprised that Fortnite didn't at least run okay... Having said that, I did have a thought regarding the TERRIBLE sync, stutter, and render issues you're having. I have to wonder if the ridiculously mismatched GPU you have with this is just outpacing it too much. Try running all this again with an older graphics card and see if things work better.
I have this chip way back 2015 oced at 4.6ghz with hyper 212 evo and paired it with gtx 750 ti.I finished Gta V in just 1 week with this setup. I also remember witcher 3 running on the program tho i had to use a program that forces the computer to think that i had quadcore setup. I think doing the benchmark in 1080p and pairing it with a much lower card like gtx 960 or 1050ti will be more cool for this video.
Way back in the day, the first computer I built had a Celeron in it. I forget what the model was, but it clocked at 1600. I overclocked it to 2400 GHz. It was banging. I loved that cheap computer. Sold it to my friend and he gamed on it until he smashed it after losing money while online gambling. I was sad.
Fun video although you can tell it must have been frustrating to make it. The story of the Core series of CPUs is kind of interesting. The story goes according to publications at the time that it was a further development of the much older Pentium 3 mobile platform that someone in their facilities in Israel was messing about with. Turned out to be what saved the company from a developmental dead end. When I worked in a PC shop around 2005 we used to jokingly refer to P4 systems as space heaters. One could have argued at the time marketing and brand recognition was the only thing that saved Intel from being buried by AMD and Apple.
The very beginning "history lesson" is *completely* wrong. Intel wanted to patent the name of "586" and all variations of it. But it got refused because "you can't patent a number!". So they made a word out of the number 5. "pent...ium!"
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G4560 was a much bigger move for the Pentium brand, hyper-threading made a much bigger difference than unlocked multiplier imo.
I remember back in the day when the G3258 and the GTX 750 Ti seemed like the budget build combo of choice for a lot of people.
Can't imagine it holding up all that well today.
750ti held up a lot better than the pentium overall
That's the trade of when you go budget. It just won't last as long
The point of pentium g3258 is that you can upgrade to a proper i5/i7 later.
Couldn't agree more. I'd a Pentium G860 (2nd Gen. Sandy Bridge) along with an R7-260X (comparable to 750Ti, more or less). I bought that CPU thinking it'd serve me well for years to come... until I ran Mass Effect 3 (original) on it.
There were tons of stutters and jitters and the system would struggle to maintain even 50FPS at times, probably due to Nvidia PhysX eating up CPU resources.
Knew straight away what a massive mistake I'd made. Even the ancient Q6600 running bone stock would've fared better than that G860. Skipped the i5, jumped straight to i7-2600 and never looked back.
5 months ago I was using the g4560 + 1050ti 😂
I had a g3258 cpu as a place holder in 2014 as I saved up for an i5 4690k. It performed well enough for the games I played at the time like kerbal space program and elite dangerous
Wow. I haven't played either game myself, but I can imagine they'd both be pretty CPU-intensive.
Kerbal space program is but it's doggedly single threaded so an overclocked g3258 ran it really well
You missed the most important aspect:
Windows XP
I still use the G3258 to this day... not in my main build, but in my WinXP retro rig. It is the best chip possible for XP, by a very wide margin.
Haswell (Broadwell) is the last platform that supports XP. There are no XP exclusives that can utilize more than 2 threads... and despite the 3.2 Ghz base clock, this beast easily overclocks up to a massive 4.5, sometimes even 4.6 or 4.7.
The next closest performer to this in XP would be an i5 with two of the cores disabled in BIOS to save on TDP and voltage.
It was technically a "Devil's Canyon" release alongside the refreshed i5-4690K and i7-4790K chips. With an improved TIM and voltage regulator under the IHS. Though you can still delid and liquid metal to eek out a couple more Mhz if you want.
Delidding didn't help for me, max OC was stll 4.7GHz, but did it anyway. These run so cool even with a copper-core stock cooler that almost anything can cool these.
@@RuruFIN Yeah I run mine at 5.1Ghz with a tower cooler without any fans on it, and the only case fans are one 200mm intake and one slim 200mm exhaust (BitFenix Survivor) it would be inaudible if I got a passive PSU.
that's kinda Like Windows 7 on -1st gen Ryzen- AMD Bristol Ridge or Intel Skylake-X
This Crisis situation makes me think: maybe present GPU driver 's overhead is responsible for a such poor performance?
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I used to have a G3258 and in games from before 2016 I had no issues, BF4, BF3, GTA V, Far Cry 3, Far Cry 4, Witcher 3 (original version) , etc
I thought his GTA V results were strange, I wonder if the game has changed since 2014. I played that on a system with the same CPU @ 4.5Ghz and an r7 265. It did not do what he saw.
@@GOPACKERSJT it didn't stutter as bad as he showed for me, I have exact same CPU. I played metro last light on that with no issues
@@GOPACKERSJT it could also be the OS, if he's using W10 or W11 then that can be a problem
I bet you're right, I can't remember if I was on Windows 7 or 8.1 back then.
@@GOPACKERSJT I was definitely on W7 and I remember playing Metro Last Light with a GTX 950 and getting over 60 fps no stutters it used to stutter a bit in GTA 5 but not as much as in this video
I wonder where the sound goes, during its time away. Is there a magical sound purgatory somewhere in the pc where it hangs out with all the other forgotten background processes while it waits for its turn?
I suggest testing the Pentium Gold G4560. I used it as a basis on an office build I made a few years ago and unlike its predecessors it did have HT. For 50-60€ it was a great option at the time as I think it was almost as fast as an i3.
I'll definitely keep it in mind, but these days an i3-6100 costs about the same 😕
@@IcebergTech I'm still using a 2015 G3258 on my office computer with a 660 TI and it runs great with pre 2020 titles with the exception of far cry 4 that demands 4 cores. it will play far cry 5 and 6 is questionable but still playable on a h81m motherboard.
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It blew my mind when they released this without AVX AT ALL. It was a kick in the teeth fr.
10:42 I am 100% certain this CPU could have handled Crysis...on Windows 7. Around that time that was the most popular OS and the much lower overhead it provided could have made the experience at least playable. That alone was the reason most people held on to it until 2020, some even holding on until this very year (I myself only moved on because the GPU in my 7 system died a few months ago). Pity right now 7 has become a liability (online at least), as even extended support has ended, but it was fun while it lasted. Also, given the results on display, I'm sure a lot of FX 6300 users feel smug right about now...last I checked, there weren't any games to not start on that chip...
P.S. Nice jab at sponsors in the intro XD
P.P.S. I know Windows 8 was also around at that time, but let's be honest, it flopped (8.1 was too little too late)
Yeah, that had occurred to me. Crysis is usually a nightmare for me on any system these days, it straight up refuses to start on my R7 5700X and I can't figure out why.
PS. The jab was at UA-cam advice channels! Next week's intro jab is at UA-camrs who use the word "guys" a lot. Maybe I shouldn't be burning bridges like this...
@@IcebergTech Take a look at c1-launcher, it incorporated all needed fixes to run original Crysis on modern systems.
RIP Windows 7, the absolute peak of Windows operating systems that will never be topped by these "touch screen inspired" designs of today.
They released a patch on Steam that screw up the game it doesn't even start anymore.
I can confirm that. Actually G3258 paired with a GTX 670 OC was my first setup which ran Crysis at 1080p very high at smooth 60fps.
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And he learned the secret of making thumbnails. (I still need to learn that)
No joke you'd have been better off on LGA775 with a C2Q. The only advantage with instructions was SSE 4.2. Otherwise running one of the 1333MHz FSB C2Q on a 1600MHz FSB (all 45nm C2 could reliably hit at least 4GHz so 3.6GHz was fine) would give a better experience. So TBH the G3258 did live up to the Pentium 4...just not the earlier good Pentium models.
Lower the resolution for single playe or even multi playerr? 1080p was high res back then imo.
Try on some old 4:3 (5:4) monitors...Low res helps a lot LOL
Great video. Keep in mind that when it was released in 2014, a pc with the G3258 and a gtx 750ti could be assembled for around $250 which was an incredible value for it's time and 720p gaming was very common then. You could get a 4.2ghz with no cpu throttling on the stock cooler. A whole lot of games like Far Cry 3 were played on those budget machines. I am surprised that Crysis doesn't play better, maybe an update has made it worse for dual core pc's, (Maybe your overclock is too high, I have a suspicion that if you lowered the o.c to 4.5ghz AND lowered the voltage that your audio problems might disappear.)
Now days, the G3258 is good for a cheap Windows 7 or XP retro gaming pc. As shown, Vsync is often a friend.
No it wasn't, back in the day you could build an Athlon X4 750K + R7 260X for way cheaper and get more than double the performance of that combo, but nobody really knew it back then, reviewers were using outdated games optimized for Nvidia in their benchmarks, and many broke college students only cared about CSGO and LoL which are DX9 games. On the other hand, the G3258 and 750 Ti still have value for collectors, so sometimes buying iconic terrible hardware is a good idea.
James Smith, Crysis runs very well with a Barton (2.O GHz single core). The game doesn't need a more powerful processor, the RTX 3070 does. All tests are wrong because of this.
I definitely don’t have a budget rig (12700k/3060 Ti/DDR5), but your videos are always a delight to watch. I love that you how show off the utility (or lack thereof) of less shiny parts that can be grabbed for a bargain. Keep up the good work!
Dug out my g3258 and oc to 4.0ghz on stock cooler. Stable so will run benchmarks soon. Added 16gb ddr3 1600mhz ram and ssd. Thanks for the inspiration!
Keep up the amazing content
Also I think that drivers for a modern card like 3070 has probably way too much overhead for a dual-core chip. Something older may work better :)
I think there's some weird esoteric software bug going on here. Mainly due to the ridiculous stutters.
I can still remember getting my first AMD Dual Core and how proud I was. Today, you can't really use a CPU with less than 8 Threads - damn, I'm grown old.
I really like your Videos. Really well-made, great voice-over, and I love that humor of yours.
When are we getting Patreon? (Idiot me just saw it at the end of the Video :D)
Any chance of comparisons against 1st gen ryzen chips?
Probably in a couple of months. Can't afford any more CPUs right now!
I had the Pentium g4560 in 2017. That bad boy actually had hyper threading and was basically an i3 6100 but for $60
I have binned a bunch of these CPUs , most cap at 4.4-4.6ghz really hard to find ones that do 4.8-5ghz. my best sample does 4.9ghz at 1.375v. reviewers mostly got cherry picked samples to sell the product in a misleading way showing them easily doing 4.7ghz+
GTA V ran fine back in the day but due to a fairly recent update after its launch to address multi core threading issues it is now unplayable on the G3258. Before the update it could do 60fps locked fairly well with minimal stutter.
Most games also hidden lockouts and will just not run on a dual core at all Far Cry 4 being one of them I think
In 2015 I had an Athlon II x2 250 at 3.6 GHz with a Gt 240, 8 gigs of RAM. GTA 5 and Crysis ran fairly ok around 30 fps avg with some stutters, but nothing as bad as this. It´s either new updates that broke those games with dual core cpus, or the newest Windows (I had windows 7 back then).
Watching this on G3258 :)
You forgot to put "G3258" in MSI afterburner lol you put "i7-5775C" instead
I had this and r9 270x as one of my first pc builds... Was awesome had so much fun on it, I oc'd it to 4.3 or 4.4 ghz
To be honest it would perform better with some weaker GPU than the 3070. And with a different OS like windows 7.
try an older gpu using an older driver on an older version of windows.
It was perfect for retro games and emulators with period correct hardware and software. A complete retro emulation PC could be under $200 with some savvy shopping, and something like PCSX2, UT2004, or probably even UT3 at the time, would run better on a G3258 than on a Sandy i7. Modern video drivers and modern windows, however, will choke and die on a dual core CPU.
It was, in fact, the best bang for buck PS2/GC emulation CPU of the era.
The Pentium G3258 and a GTX 1050ti. Solid little PC for a time when PC gaming wasn't stupid expensive
I still miss my G3220 :(
you dont need to save up long since its 1 pound processor :D
Ive used that one in my main rig almost 10 years ago, and then gave it to my brother when I upgraded. He used it until february 2021 when he upgraded to 5600G. Now G3220 is at the heart of our home server, still going strong lol
The special thing about this CPU is that it supports ECC ram. So you could repurpose it as a file server.
I'm pretty sure something is wrong with those Crysis numbers. The game ran very well on the Core 2 Duo CPUs back in the day which are also 2c/2t. I ordered one of these CPUs to do some testing with.
well, supposedly Haswell systems can be fairly compatible with Windows XP, and given how XP era software won't require much, if any, multithreading, this CPU just might be perfect for a boutique "ultimate" retro XP rig.
I'm suspecting the Nvidia driver chugs the CPU as Nvidia drivers have more CPU overhead than AMD ones
This was actually my first CPU in my very first proper PC (had only trash laptops until then) cant believe its almost 10 years already.
bro same! haha.. im still using it right now while writing this comment haha
I guess the test system used Windows 10, because I remember this running games WAY better back in the day on Win7
Weird, I played The Witcher 3 at launch with an i3-2120, which should be worse than this.
you should take a look at the pentium g4560 it was my first alright CPU i got back in 2017 i remember the performance was alright
Okay, I'm sorry but I call bullshit. There HAS to be something seriously wrong going on here. This cpu isn't THAT old, and it really shouldn't, well, do THIS.
It only has 2 threads and 2 cores, that's the problem.
I watched nearly all of your videos and I´ve come to the conclusion that you are one of my favourite content creators in the last months. Respect for the always stunning quality
being honest, yes, the question mark (?) truly got me to click the video lol
Actually, the switch the Pentium was due, in no small part, from the fact the Intel couldn't trademark numbers. So they couldn't stop AMD making their AM486 or Cyrix from their Cx486 processors; both of which dropped effortlessly into Intel spec 486 motherboards. So they created the Pentium brand.
Yes, I put that in a text blurb on screen. I was just "editorialising", or making a more interesting story out of a boring one 😉
I commented this on the community post but I feel obligated to do it again here. this was the cpu in my first gaming pc, which I built for 350 dollars in 2017 when I was a broke middle school kid. paired it with an msi h81m p33 (which weirdly had overclocking), 8gb of ddr3 and a gtx 1050 2gb. back then I mostly played source engine games, minecraft, gta 4, etc. gta 4 mostly because I couldn't play gta 5 because even back then it was a stuttery unplayable mess on this cpu. same story with fortnite, which is why I never got into fortnite (this cpu did me a service, lets be real). but for those older games, it ran great. needless to say though, it was one of the first things I upgraded in that pc (went to an i7 4770k). interesting though that it outlived the 4770k, as I sold the 4770k to build a ryzen system 2 years ago and just gave the g3258, my shitty h81 mobo and the 16gb ddr3 i had at that point to my dad to use as a music production system since they really werent worth selling anyway. good thing he only uses windows 7 and mostly windows 7 era software because the g3258 is essentially just a core 2 duo on steroids. it's absolutely crazy now that you can get an *18 core* xeon e5 2699 v3 for just 10 dollars more than I originally bought that pentium for in 2017.
speaking of the xeon, please please PLEASE do a video on the e5 2699 v3, it's literally a haswell ddr4 18 core for just 60 dollars on ebay
I’m not saying a definite “yes” to the 2699 v3 yet (I don’t like getting people’s hopes up) but it’s on my shortlist!
wonder if possible to play games using a radeon.
I have been made to believe that they perform better when cpu bound.
That's more true with directx 12 games. Many of the titles here were directx 11
Wow did not expect it not to run 2007 version of Crysis. I played that on a Q6600 recently and it runs absolutely fine.
Yea Nvidia doesn't expect you to only have 2 threads these days. If you paired this CPU with a GTX 750 Ti it would run significantly better.
2 core, no hyperthreading and an nvidia GPU? There’s a recipe for disaster. That driver overhead…
Yeah. If some brand rep or retailer wants to send me a 7900 XTX for testing that would be grand, otherwise this is all I've got 😕
I've never seen games hang that long without crashing or having the OS lock up completely and needing to manually power off the computer. So that's something.
What song do you use in background?
With the exception of the intro, they're all songs by Backing Track @ backingtrack.gg
I can't remember all the track names, I believe Neon Nights and The Doc Will See You Now are some of them, but I also use Starstream Returns and a few other tracks that slip my mind right now. It's good stuff, one of the people behind it is YTer EposVox.
@@IcebergTech Thank you very much for your answer. :D I did try to search by clicking the link in the description of the video, but there are tons of them :)
I miss my G3258
Back in the day, I was forever scarred by dual cores with Call of Duty: Black Ops. I enjoyed MW1 and MW2 well on my Pentium E2180 and 8600GT, but Black Ops just came outta nowhere the following year after MW2 and humbled my build. I went on to get a Core i3, wanted the i5 but couldn't get up to the price level at the time, but I was adamant that 4 threads were necessary. Then came this lovely Pentium G3258 that proved me absolutely right, shutting down all arguments. If I disable HT for example, all those issues you see with GTA5 manifests itself on my i3 3240, with HT on, completely gone, not even a hint of it. No matter how much you overclock a CPU, you just can't get over the 99% pegged utilization that's causing the issue.
Honestly the 3258 in some places costs more used with a board and 8gb ram, then the X99 board and cpu combo.
A 4170/8gb ram and b85 costed 50€ cheaper then a 6800k+X99 gaming 7 localy(150 i3 200€ for x99)
Dude even the Athlon X4 880K struggles a bit with Fortnite and it has 4-threads, I most say 880K play some games better than G3258 but not all and average FPS in most of those games is still not higher even if more "playable" due to less stutters.
I still use a Pentium in 2023. I use the LGA 1700 Pentium. The Pentium G7400. Which is the same socket as the i9 13900K.
like for early gang!
Could u try out the xeon e3 1231 v3? I used it to upgrade my i5 4460 and its an really great chip! Only sad part is that it doesnt have an unlocked multiplier but for the rest its great! I get arround 3.6-3.7ghz all core clock in valorant and 3.8 all core in beamng!
The excellent lightsaber lighting never get old ! Great vid 👍
I had that one alongside a GTX 750 nearly a decade ago. I was able to play GTA 5 but I had to cap it at 30 FPS due to the streaming issue as noted in the video.
Yeah, this sound desync is why we don't record in variable framerate; I used to use the G3258 to make videos. I mean, you totally can record VFR, you just have to reencode with a constant framerate later to avoid desync issues.
Please please please compare GeForce GT 210 1GB DDR3 with HD 630 of i3 7100 please 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
When I saw this release, I referred to it as a poor purchase then due to frame times and its lack of hyperthreading. Informed others to simply save their money and at least get last gen deals on higher core count options. There was much pushback by those who decided it was worth defending such a... product. However as always, time has shown which ones aged better than others. Thank you for showcasing the G3258.
this is a big problem for me like most likely depends what u wanna games for it.. it needs like AVX Supported and usually some other games like it crash or it wont started but i use this before but i upgraded to gold g5400 other games still can run but the others wont run
Shockingly enough, I am watching this video and commenting from a G3258 machine I built almost a decade ago. I was going for a super budget build: g3258 clocked at 4.2 GHz (stock cooler), AMD R7 360 GPU, and 8 GB of DDR3 ram. At the time, it did pretty well, but I definitely do not game on it anymore. Mostly light school work and some storage is what I use it for. UA-cam is a real struggle for this poor chip even lol.
the hashwel pentium was good for what it was but in games it was horrible. i cannot explain why but it just craps itself most of the times, specially if you turn on shadows even on games from 10 years prior to its release. its still a relevant cpu for web browsing though, it runs on 10w of power.
Like! The G3258 was a nice CPU for its low price.
there must be something wrong with crysis. i played the original crysis on that cpu and it was fine with a hd5670 on medium.
It's even a lot worse than I expected. I'm genuinely impressed with how bad this is. :D
definately here because of the thumby....ive never heard of your channel in my life but gad damn i love me a G3258
If I remember, Gothic 4 : Arcana was the first game that actually required a Quad Core to play properly. Ok it was a shit game, but if you did want to play it, you probably couldn't, even with an i3-540 (a respectable CPU back then) with an overclock from 3.06Ghz to 4.0Ghz, as I found out. The game used 4 cores and one of them was exclusively to render the sound. Even with Hyperthreading on my dual core i3, the game was a stutterfest, with sound de-syncs and terrible pauses.
Its strange then how a Ryzen 3 laptop APU, like the 3200U or something, only has two cores with hyper threading, but doesn't suffer the same consequences as the G3258. Perhaps it's the 200% increase in IPC.
Now do the actually good Pentium, the G4560 or whatever it was called
Ooof, this is rough, even back then a lot of games were already unplayble with this CPU. GTA5, Insurgency sandstorm, Dragon age inquisition to name a few. The rest like Rise of tomb raider, original Witcher 3 while playable stutter is a common occurrence. I even remembered I had to reinstall windows 8.1 cuz windows 10 would disable OC with H81 motherboard. This little thing did hold on till I got a Ryzen 2600, now replaced by a 5700x.
You should test the A8 and A10 series from AMD from 2014 and 2015
I have a soft spot for the G3258 as it was my "return" to DIY gaming PCs after going the laptop route for years through and after college. I'm typing this comment on a bit of a descendant of that system, which is a 4770k I keep in my office and is still surprisingly competent today.
I still have the old 3258 at 4.6 GHzin a B85 board and the R9 270x I originally paired it with, which serves as a media center PC and plays Star Trek Online in the guest room.
Even when new it wasn't much of a beast at the time, but it ran slightly older games at the time really, really well. I got it in the MicroCenter bundle for $100 with a motherboard and RAM, and pieced together the rest of a used system I could afford on my recent-grad budget. I had a free 8800GT at first, and later upgraded to the 270x which was on sale for Black Friday in 2014. I remember being so impressed at how well it ran everything from the late 2000s-2012ish that were a struggle on my Gateway FX laptop from college.
I definitely played some GTA V on it, and it did run Crysis back then, but it was on Windows 7. GTA V was not smooth, but it was playable, haha. I upgraded to a 4670k and crossfire 280Xs around that time, and kept the 3258 and 270x as a secondary system as it still exists today.
Try and use windows 8.1 and pair it with gtx 950. The cpu can run gta v, not on windows 10 though
Would love some more content on (old) gaming laptops
I still own one of these - first computer I ever built, I got a z97 extreme 6 and a g3258 to tide me over until the launch of Broadwell. It was terrible in 2015 too. Even basic computer usage in early windows 10 was excruciating on 2 threads.
I was just consolidating a bunch of loose PC parts and slapped together the old build a few days ago, but it's got a 5775c in it, not the Pentium K. I know some amateur LN2 overclockers, I've always been tempted to bring the system over and see how much I can get the pentium to rip
I had one back in the day, clocked at 4.7GHz and had to upgrade since some games started to need four threads.
Thats so intersting that the G3258 suffers so badly nowadays, when the 4790k was basically around the same time and can still play pretty much all the current games. The core count is completely the limiting factor?
It's all about the pentiums!
This makes me wonder, G3258 was a much better chip back in the days of Windows 7. Since Windows 10 does Windows in the background, maybe Linux would actually game better with this chip.
I have a feeling you've done something wrong because I have had this cpu for quite some time (overclocked to 4.3) and I played all the older games you tested without any stutter issues. I had it paired with a GTX 750 TI
I remember this CPU being kinda praised for its performance. But I decided to add a little bit more for an i3 instead.
I remember in the Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge days the question was frequently asked "Why isn't there an overclockable i3?" The answer, of course, was that it would cannibalize sales of i5's and i7's.
Fast forward a couple of years and I've always thought of the G3258 as Intel finally sort of going "Here it is, this is what you asked for!" And I remember the hype level for it at the time being quite high.
But they were still scared of making it too good and by then dual cores were teetering on the precipice of complete irrelevance.
Nevertheless, I don't know if I could say it was a bad buy. It was probably better than any other CPU you could get for $75 at the time (and I think you could get them for $50 at Micro Center if you bought one with a motherboard), and it would have played most of the popular esports type stuff of the era, I don't think anybody sensible expected it to be a AAA title chip. Of course it's basically unusable now but even the Haswell i7's are falling off the cliff by this point.
One thing you didn't mention, is your resolution. I play complete witcher 3 twice with this cpu, gtx 650 and 6gb ram. My res was 1440*900p. It use to give 45~ fps. You must be testing on 4k
Hi @IcebergTech and everyone else!
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i miss my GOATED Pentium G4560. When that chip came out in 2017 it was huge, being a 2C/4T Pentium with hyperthreading and it was between £55 - £60 in the UK. any chance of a revisit on this chip to see how it stacks up in 2023.
these on release were cracking budget chips, not anymore. pretty much useless.
these g3258's were beating fx8350s in games. i had 2 budget builds when it was new for customers. g3258 with gtx960 then an fx8350 paired with 290x, the pentium system was faster overall in games tested.
Wow, can't believe this Pentium is now a "nostalgic" or "retro" CPU, I'm watching this on a 3570k at 4.7ghz. Older, but with twice the cores and l3 cache. But even at the time a dual core being recommended was laughable to me, I probably can still run all these games ok on my phenom 2 x4.
See how the g3258 does for windows XP retro gaming. It could be the cheapest and best CPU for retro gaming. Pair it with a GTX 960 the last supported GPU for windows XP.
Love the video and I appreciate the fact that you're actually covering a 'non gamers CPU like this, but let's be honest. This CPU was never meant for this kind of use case. At best, it is good for games like Fallout 3 or Skyrim. I am a little surprised that Fortnite didn't at least run okay... Having said that, I did have a thought regarding the TERRIBLE sync, stutter, and render issues you're having. I have to wonder if the ridiculously mismatched GPU you have with this is just outpacing it too much. Try running all this again with an older graphics card and see if things work better.
I have this chip way back 2015 oced at 4.6ghz with hyper 212 evo and paired it with gtx 750 ti.I finished Gta V in just 1 week with this setup. I also remember witcher 3 running on the program tho i had to use a program that forces the computer to think that i had quadcore setup. I think doing the benchmark in 1080p and pairing it with a much lower card like gtx 960 or 1050ti will be more cool for this video.
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>the game had to turn NYC into Bubsy 3D
Great video as always.
i7-5775C is the better choice for this sockel :3 (Afterburner spoiler)
damn
Way back in the day, the first computer I built had a Celeron in it. I forget what the model was, but it clocked at 1600. I overclocked it to 2400 GHz. It was banging. I loved that cheap computer. Sold it to my friend and he gamed on it until he smashed it after losing money while online gambling. I was sad.
Fun video although you can tell it must have been frustrating to make it. The story of the Core series of CPUs is kind of interesting. The story goes according to publications at the time that it was a further development of the much older Pentium 3 mobile platform that someone in their facilities in Israel was messing about with. Turned out to be what saved the company from a developmental dead end.
When I worked in a PC shop around 2005 we used to jokingly refer to P4 systems as space heaters.
One could have argued at the time marketing and brand recognition was the only thing that saved Intel from being buried by AMD and Apple.
The very beginning "history lesson" is *completely* wrong.
Intel wanted to patent the name of "586" and all variations of it. But it got refused because "you can't patent a number!".
So they made a word out of the number 5. "pent...ium!"
I have i7 4790k small OC at 4.5Ghz and GTX 980Ti with 16Gb RAM since 2015, don't have any problems.
My 10 year old i7-4700MQ laptop looks like a NASA PC compared to this gem of a Pentium, i also have an i7-12700K DDR5 system.