I spent 10yrs in prison and I can't tell you how many timid looking women with the 'tiny little voices' are doing time for murder. My dad used to say, 'Its the quiet ones you got to watch out for' Yessir, I agree
Yea judge her for being in prison. Just know everyone is one mistake from being locked up and 3 choices away from being homeless. Its facts. Don’t judge anyone as you haven’t lived their life or know why they have made the choices they did. You would be so much happier if you stopped being judgmental and negative. Especially to a stranger. To me you’re just exposing how miserable you are about yourself and your own life. You sound weak. No need to bring others down to lift yourself up. Once you realize these things and stop letting the misery and negativity of your life and others affect you so badly I promise you will be so much happier and confident. Anyways, take it or leave it.
Absolutely she is. And as in many cases these days, another woman that makes poor decisions in her choice of men and life. Going with a Chad is not a good idea. And after al,l those completely broken women asks 20 years later where all the good men are. They were there once, you just don´t choose them.
No. She is horrible. Period. No accountability either. This is why we need to see op treating women special. They think they can do these things and blame others.
I strongly disagree with the statement that not answering serious questions without an attorney is suspicious. Innocent people need an attorney even more than the guilty. (Note - i am not saying that she was innocent because she was very guilty)
To the cops you are the suspect until proven otherwise. People will disagree with that stance but growing up vs people who were good at fooling people. Cops need to take that approach
Well, this is a good learning opportunity to highlight why HOW you ask for a lawyer is very important. Technically “asking for a lawyer” can’t be used against you, but the courts almost always allow prosecutors to attack defendants with the CONTEXT and words used to request said lawyer. For example, willingly answering a bunch of questions and getting backed into a corner and then choosing to invoke your right to lawyer “can and will” be used against you. The prosecutor, fairly or not, will eagerly point out to the jury that the defendant was happy to answer questions up until they realized that their story was falling apart. Another example is that LE has clever tricks up their sleeve to keep you talking even after requesting a lawyer. They’ll say stuff like “only guilty people need a lawyer” and people will feel an overwhelming urge to “explain themselves”. Don’t fall for it. The more you talk, the more LE will exploit that urge to talk and bait you into endlessly “explaining yourself”. Then the prosecutor can and will use every trick up their sleeve to make the words you uttered paint you in a negative light to the jury. So when LE tells you “anything you say can and will be used against you”, they mean that literally. And in order to invoke your right to a lawyer, you must “say it”. So HOW you say it and the CONTEXT in which you say it will be fair game in court. Saying “I’d like to have an attorney present if I’m being questioned” [and then shutting your mouth and not saying another word] will be A LOT better for you than answering a bunch of questions up until the “bad cop” starts berating you and then saying “I ain’t saying’ *--t. I think I need a lawyer!!” LE: “you’re dang right you need a lawyer! You know you’re guilty!” and this will usually keep them talking if they aren’t aware that it’s just a trick to keep them talking. And I’ve even seen cases where people say “I think I need a lawyer” and LE just completely ignores it and keeps the interrogation going and they keep answering questions. When the lawyers argued that everything was inadmissible after that statement because the interview should’ve ended right there, the judge ruled that it was all allowed because “I think I need a lawyer” was not actually a request for a lawyer. Taken literally, that phrase is so vague that it can be interpreted as “knowledge of guilt”. TL;DR: be aware of HOW you invoke your constitutional rights.
I wonder how close I came to being like those little girls. My mother had pretty bad mental issues. (Bi polar disorder bordering on paranoid shetzophernia ) The only reason i probably survived is my grandparents stepping in. I ended up living with them almost as early as i can remember. Apparently my grandmother spotted what looked like cigarette burns on me and put her foot down.
@@jomomma1512 she was her and grandpa were both characters like they don't make anymore. I still remember when I was about 10 I saw Granny fight a bull with a broomstick.....and win. She was in her 50s at the time
Im so sorry that happened to you. My mom had me and my sister at a really young age and just never wanted to be a mom. My grandparents raised me and ended up becoming the best friends I’ve ever had. I was able to return the favor the last five years and took care of them in their home until they passed away, one year apart from each other. I miss them so much. ❤
@@brandyh425 well my grandfather died when I was still fairly young (middle school) but I looked after my grandmother till she passed away at 97. I also took in my little sister like they had taken in me.(My sis is 14 years younger than me). My mom was normally one of the sweetest ladies you could meet. She just had episodes where her entire personality changed. When I was in my 20s she finally got help and has been on medication ever since and is a sweet little old lady now. I mean my mom couldn't help the way she was and she ended up with custody cause my dad was active military so. That's just how things worked out.
Giving things away! Between that and a sudden burst of happiness and contentment shown a few days before the life is ended are the 2 most consistent yet under-reported clues to tell others the decision has been made, its just a matter of tying up loose ends before the actual event occurrs.
That’s down to the law. Her husband abused her so he didn’t have full custody. That’s a failure in the system, she turned herself into a clinic for psychological issues and yet the children’s protection services didn’t think to maybe put them into care with family members or a foster family.
It happens when both parents who love their children are at odds with each other. In an attempt to persuade or explain to them that the other parent is this or that, and not simply loving and supporting them. Sadly, kids get caught in the middle and will make up their own minds.......if given the chance to. RIP Serena and Sophia 🎉😢
The video where she is addressing her husband freaked me out when it briefly glitched (@ the 14:00 mark).. This whole video is quite sad, and those poor adorable little girls! ugh
That's such a horrible way to unalive !!!! If it wasn't planned or truely a psychotic break, why did she begin selling clothing and homeware a week prior to the time, then conveniently makes a video recording shifting blame to her x ( explaining away her actions) ???? Then she requests a lawyer while acting sad and with lapsed memory !!!???? I dont think it's that simple.
The type of medication she tried to overdose on makes you forget things. I personally took them and would forget nearly everything I did after I took my medication. It scared me so much, to wake up not even knowing what I cooked and ate for dinner. Eventually some things came back to me, but most were a blank. I refused to take it after that. I believe she may have woke up and forgot at first. However, this seems planned with the jewelry and video etc. So she has to remember some things. This is so tragic! How do you kill your children instead of sharing them with their father. Petty and selfish! 💔
I currently take benzodiazepines and have for years. Clonazepam happens to be what I’m currently on. It sounds like your dose was too high because blackouts shouldn’t be a regular thing on these drugs. I’ve definitely experienced them myself and you go into a kind of autopilot while in that blackout phase. She could have very well did everything she did while blacked out and then went to sleep and woke up not remembering a single thing.
I used to take Clonazepam and I had multiple blackouts while taking it exactly as prescribed. My brother said I used to do really weird things while blacked out, like smother my face in excessive amounts of makeup and get dressed up in formal wear just to sit on the couch. More concerning, I started a fire on our stovetop because I put on a pot of beans and they burned up in the pot, catching fire. I was lucky my brother was there to put out the fire. Anyway, Clonazepam is AWFUL.
@@supposedhumanmars it’s crazy but I have a similar story about almost starting my apartment on fire while on autopilot during a blackout. I was apparently attempting to make something on the stove and instead of adding butter to a, I put the whole tub right on the burner. Luckily I had a roommate at the time and they smelt the plastic burning. The next thing I remember is coming out of the blackout due to my roommate shaking me and looking around and seeing what was going on. That scared the shit out of me. I want to add that taking it exactly as prescribed DOES NOT mean you aren’t overprescribed. I was finally put on a dose that was right for me and haven’t had any blackout experiences since.
Suicides will exhibit the same patterns. Giving stuff away,,seeming happy for a change. They are experiencing the release of the stress and troubles by making the decision to end it all, and that has a power to it. A powerless feeling person,,has made the decision to end the chaos. If you see this on a family member or friend,,get help!!
This terrifies me!!! I worry so much about my little 3 year old step daughter...her mother is unmedicated Schizophrenic. She has extreme paranoia, thinks there are GPS trackers in her kids, her car. Cameras in her walls. Thinks the neighbors stabbed kids with aids needles, a ton of crazy stuff...Her father on the other hand, 10 year vet, own house, great job, 2 vehicles, a yard, sound mind, great father!! Yet we cannot get her full-time. With a lawyer and everything. Yet we keep being made to give her back to her mother 3 and a half days a week....despite her 2 older kids not even living with her...only part time. Father has contact with the oldest at all times, with use of a cell...but our baby is not old enough to protect herself, to tell us what goes on, to call for help, to even understand...and she gets left there alone with her, without her siblings at time....I hate it! I hate the system too!!!
I'm so Very Sorry you're suffering ! My Son suffers from Paranoid Schizophrenia. It's a Very Rough Journey. Please take care of yourself Mentally. It's important to do so!🙏🙏🙏🙏
That flooded in memories.... I was a new resident in Barrie with children the same age as hers, when these murder happened. I was shocked and horrified when I heard about this crime. It made me sick to my stomach. Still does. Those babies would be high school graduates today, dreaming of their future.
Pure evil… those two little girls are with God who is loving them unconditionally unlike their mother!! She hates that man so much she would have done anything to keep the girls away from him!! There are too many women like this in today’s society…
She conveniently adds too many things that don’t point towards her being ignorant of everything. She is trying to play dumb and when she sees that doesn’t work, she asks for a lawyer.
When someone has the kind of delusions described here. 6:45 I feel very bad for them and their family. To them, everything they say makes perfect sense and is very real. Regardless how it sounds to the rest of us, it is as clear to them as water is wet. That’s what makes it so tragic.
THere are lots of people that are abused by husbands and wives. They arent out killing babies. She is sick and should face the worst. It upsets me that she is allowed out of the prison.....Im not even sure if she was abused. She sounds VERY VERY narcissistic.
I HATE this argument. It’s such a bunch of absolute BS! ‘Oh, you were abused as a child? Oh well, I just got on with it, just like you should!’ - the entire reason we’re all different is because the workings of our brains are, & that includes mental health, that is SCIENTIFICALLY proven. No two people will handle the same situation the same, ever! That is not excusing her behaviour, but to insinuate a terribly abused wife who experienced extensive DV should’ve ’sucked it up’ & not been profoundly impacted by those experiences is incredibly ignorant at best!
@@LauraBidingCitizen100% agreed. I think she was legit abused beyond what she was able to handle- you can see how much it changed her appearance even. It is terrifying to think about the harm that he could’ve done to them. Obviously she wasn’t well enough to keep it all under control. He freakin beat her when she was pregnant even! With BOTH of them! So how can one handle, as a mother, knowing your babies are going directly to that monster? You’ve witnessed him abusing them already, yet you’re supposed to be just fine with them going to him? While I don’t believe she should’ve harmed them herself…it’s obvious she didn’t have any help, as she relentlessly was trying to find. I saw in other docs, where she was calling around for help, telling everybody how worried she was over her children- from her husband, and then also herself because she hadn’t slept and knew she wasn’t well. But nobody would help her. Those poor babies were doomed from day one.
If you spoke to my ex, you'd come away thinking that I'm an absolute monster who abused her horribly. The actual truth is the complete opposite. She has tried to kill me, has destroyed me financially, and emotionally, raped me, stolen from my elderly parents, and much, much more. Killing your children to keep your ex from having access to them is extremely common in NPD, and I think that's exactly what we're looking at here. The woman has callously snuffed out the lives of two innocents, so why should we trust anything she says?
Her jealousy and hatred for her husband getting custody were the actual motive. If she can't have her children, then no one else can. Justice system should have handed over the custody of the children to either one of the grandparents, they might at least have lived. Just to think of killing your young babies in such a brutal way, gives a shudder in my spine.
Mental illness does not make people into murderers. Murder is a choice. The poor babies had horrible parents, but it was their own mother who murdered them.
This happend in my city. The apartment building is less then 5mins away from me. Its hard to believe they still rent the unit out. I always think of this case everytime I drive by.
Those poor kids, one parent with mental illness so severe she's abusive and the other parent so dependent on alcohol he's abusive! Both are precarious and although they can do well if they stick to their programs they're both easily disrupted falling into abuse. So they end up being murdered by one parent although it could've easily been the other. Why these kids weren't placed with another family or even grandparents?? My belief is that she was also punishing him which is sick.
So many of the people commenting clearly haven't suffered severe mental abuse for a prolonged period of time. I am glad that this is the case. To be clear, I am not condoning this behaviour.
Twelve years of physical, mental and SA before I was helped by my best friend and his parents. Haven’t even spoken to the monster in 10 years, but I’ll never be the same!
I agree. Abuse changes a person, and it changes your brain chemistry. She should have received more help - she said she wasn't coping! However, the father HAD TO see his kids, regardless of the fact that he abused them too. I am not condoning her actions, but how did the decision-makers see a different ending?
@@downhomesunset How pivotal is a good support network right!? I am sorry that you endured that and probably trust that if you let anyone get close, they are going to hurt you too. Thank you for keeping going. Thank you for knowing you are worthy even when the intrusive thoughts tell you different. I hope you have love, light, and laughter in abundance.
I watched a long interrogation video of her. She is wily as a fox. It is possible to be both mad and bad. And the intensity of her feeling sorry for herself is astonishing. Watching her repeatedly pretend to not believe that her children are dead is infuriating. I am not saying anything about her husband, I have seen nothing with him in it. It sounds like a match made in hell. But this woman lies and lies and lies, very elaborate lies. She is very, very manipulative, and you can see it in her recorded interactions with her children. You can see her daughter desperately trying to work out what will be an acceptable answer to her mother’s badgering. She reminds me a lot of the guy who threw his five year old off a bridge.
The father is a classic narcissistic personality. He had demonstrably abused the mother and children. The fact that in such a case anyone would even think about giving the father custody is unbelievable. I can't imagine that the mother and children came out of this relationship without being traumatized. The mother is right that a man who hits his pregnant wife in the stomach cannot love his child. I don't think he wanted custody because he loved his children but so he could continue to control and torment the mother. Anyone who has been in a relationship with a narcissist knows what that means. Yes, the mother killed the children and she would have killed herself too if things hadn't gone wrong. How easy it is for outsiders to say that she is a monster. The real monster gets away with it. He drove her to extended suicide. She should have been allowed to move near her family after her first hospital stay at the latest. There she would have received the support and help she needed. I believe that she saw this situation as the only way out for the children and herself. Yes, the father did anti-aggression training and suddenly changed his behavior. But such training does not change your personality. Narcissists can adapt their behavior if it helps them achieve their goal. I think she knew that too. Assuming the father had had the children and the children had then been abused or even died, there would now be a huge outcry as to why this could happen. Her real punishment is that her beloved children are dead and she must live on. In my opinion, someone who repeatedly abuses their children or their partner has forfeited all rights, including visitation rights.
agreeed. i believe since her s***** failed and her children died she finally felt a sort of freedom that her children wont ever have to deal with her ex husband again, she definitely had some sort of superhero delusion, i would imagine after her s***** failed, she would try again but she didn’t. she will happily accept the punishment for *freeing* her children..
This is the mindset of a feminist liberal did he kill them no her looney ass did that shit was premeditated like all other cases you don’t think he picked up on the signs of her not being all the way there I mean they had two kids and history together
This woman is not a stonecold killer. She and her daughters have been abused so brutally, that she didn't see any other way out than that anymore. She was mentally more damaged than most people even can understand and I feel very sorry for her, because she has to live with this everyday, for the rest of her life.
What was going on at 8:56? I just watched that time stamp over and over, and somehow, I must be missing whatever you're referring to. I'm really interested in knowing w😢here he was using "doubted" for "suspected", as well. I must not have been paying close enough attention because I missed all of that.
The attorney part really threw me for a loop… she knew what she was doing & it was a get back to her husband. She probably didn’t even really try to take her own life
Very great case and many signs of mental health. As I am a person with mental health issues who have been violent in the past myself I’m just glad that I was able to get therapy over three years and being able to live a happy loving caring life with my family my mom and dad brother and sister in law sister and brother-in-law and my two nieces I am happy and pleased to say I’ve beat my mental issues and I’m grateful that I seek help when I did.
I hope she gets the medication and help she needs. Clearly this was a psychotic break which was preceded by tons of red flags.. she should not have been left alone with the kids
@@ellekay4758 AI narration is ruining UA-cam content, plain and simple. The phonetic pronounciation, literal read-out of numbers like 911 or gun calibers, constant repitition of facts, and clunky cadence are all part of a disturbing trend, headed right into the uncanny valley. Give me a talking head, any day. Unsubscribed.
I don’t think much about our justice system in Canada. 25 years is the maximum sentence for 99% of crimes. Heinous as this crime was, she was out on supervised release for “personal development”?!?!? Five years in prison and already walking around……..
I think child service people should be paid the most. Because this is the reason alot of children are being failed. Give child service workers what they deserve or else their gonna keep failing our children. Period
That was classical coaching too. “Who loves you the most?” is how feuding parents get their kids trained to hate the other one. The father was bettering himself, and he obviously loved them. Alcohol brings out the worst in people, and kicking the habit is hard.
This broad should have gotten life in prison. She wasnt scared or ill she wanted to punish her husband who was chronologically unfaithful. She chose to marry him knowing what he did for a living. She didnt want to lose her child support money.
I don't think it was about child support but addressing any female as a broad shows your level of understanding i agree she was awful but killing her children would stop her child support.... she's evil for sure but you're a little on the shallow side
@@echoscismtodaro3140 Do you know what broad means? lol. It literally just means "woman". I think you should double check things before you post. This man said nothin incorrect. She would have rather killed her kids vs let him keep them and not have the support anymore. Its gross. Regardless of why she killed them, its gross. It prob did have a lot to do with child support.... You know how many parents do this shit? It wasnt bc he was abusing her or the kids. Nah. Jealousy is more llike it.
I think she should’ve been able to live with her parents. The father was allowed to live with his but not her. If she was allowed those hives might be alive still.
OMG those kids were adorable. I do not understand. I dont even have kids and this broke my heart. WTF?! I blame you youtube. I just wanted funny pet videos!
I think the abuse he did to her sent her into insanity and the state, the police, judge did not help her. She told of the abuse and wanted to get away. No one helped her at all so I believe she snapped and as evil as this is to torture and kill your babies, she felt it was the only way to escape from him. This is the problem with abused women, we are not heard and we eventually snap. RIP to those beautiful little girls. My God, how could she. The husband has to live with the fact that he had a huge part to play in his descent into insanity
I don't like the last bit of this video "if you're mentally ill seek help..." There is no help in the states. Ask me how I know?! I've saught help and have failed to get it. I hate cases like this. She was painted to be batshit crazy. Her husband was a narcissist... those personality types can really drive people to the point of breaking.
These poor babies was both failed.. first by there parents, then grandparents, then the judge and finally the physchiatric (can’t spell) hospital 😢 (that’s if she was as crazy as she’s making out) I don’t believe it fully! Children aren’t pawns..I hope they didn’t die in pain, unfortunately I doubt that as drowning has to be up there with the worst. I hope they felt loved… to precious for this world ❤
Whoever killed the kid's is the worst kind of KILLER no remorse for what she did she knew what she was doing!! I have NO SYMPATHY FOR HER OR HER HUSBAND their both GUILTY PERIOD....... I hope the girl's R.I.P 😇😇❤❤
As bad as the father was she is worst and yet, she was rewarded for being a woman, if the one who murdered the was the father i know he will be already for life and people demanding death penalty probably, equally i guss... Not.
I know a lot of people think her story about blacking out on meds is ridiculous but it's really common. I woke up to a trashed apartment and a damaged face and I had no idea what happened. The same night this girl had to get staples to close a gash in her head and she had no clue what happened. I also had a best friend who blacked out on Clonazepam and he committed suicide.
People generally aren't given benzos until they've already exhausted the SSRI field. That's what happened to me. By that time you've had depression for months or years. An entire bottle of 1 mg clonazapam of 30 pills will not kill you. The pills are 100 percent unrelated to everything in this case imo
Sorry buddy not the case here, she contradicted herself just after she said she didn’t know where her baby’s went. Saying she thought they looked weird laying there not asking for her boba with purple lips. Not to long before that she says she thinks her husband has them, while stating she can’t remember. If she has anything mentally wrong it’s that she’s a narcissistic mother who would rather kill her children then have her husband raise them
So, she gathered the gumption to take the lives of her precious babies to, according to her, "protect them from him" but she couldn't find the same resolve and put him on the other side of the dirt?
It's a tell, when someone who seems to (or is **trying** to) be "insane", they ask for an attorney.... If you truly did not know or believe it was wrong, you wouldn't care, you would say what you did, because.... to you.... it makes sense and isn't wrong. I do definitely believe she has mental health issues, but she was not insane at the time of the crime.
I spent 10yrs in prison and I can't tell you how many timid looking women with the 'tiny little voices' are doing time for murder.
My dad used to say, 'Its the quiet ones you got to watch out for'
Yessir, I agree
What did you 10 years for little missy?
They probably had you in there for drugs or some bs
Yea judge her for being in prison. Just know everyone is one mistake from being locked up and 3 choices away from being homeless. Its facts. Don’t judge anyone as you haven’t lived their life or know why they have made the choices they did. You would be so much happier if you stopped being judgmental and negative. Especially to a stranger. To me you’re just exposing how miserable you are about yourself and your own life. You sound weak. No need to bring others down to lift yourself up. Once you realize these things and stop letting the misery and negativity of your life and others affect you so badly I promise you will be so much happier and confident. Anyways, take it or leave it.
@@Diamon.d Thank you for your kindness
She is saying she killed him so he couldn’t get them. Don’t feel pity for this woman. She’s a murderer, a child murderer.
Absolutely she is. And as in many cases these days, another woman that makes poor decisions in her choice of men and life. Going with a Chad is not a good idea. And after al,l those completely broken women asks 20 years later where all the good men are. They were there once, you just don´t choose them.
@@bjoern5796 a wild incel 😂 lord all I gotta read is "chad" and automatically know you're an incel- you're a joke buddy
@@bjoern5796 a wild incel 😂 lord all I gotta read is "chad" and automatically know you're an incel- you're a joke buddy
I don’t feel an ounce of pity,for her.2 dead babies,murdered,by their own mother.She should have stayed in the shelter.
The courts failed these kids. Everyone would be alive if not for the judges
Indeed! Systems fail.. that's why people who have families shouldn't, but these ugly diabolical cycles continue unfortunately 😢
Lot of horrible judges out there, hard to find an honorable one.
No. She is horrible. Period. No accountability either. This is why we need to see op treating women special. They think they can do these things and blame others.
THIS
Everyone would be alive if not for this insufferable woman who was capable of murdering her own children to get back at her ex.
I strongly disagree with the statement that not answering serious questions without an attorney is suspicious. Innocent people need an attorney even more than the guilty. (Note - i am not saying that she was innocent because she was very guilty)
To the cops you are the suspect until proven otherwise. People will disagree with that stance but growing up vs people who were good at fooling people. Cops need to take that approach
😅😅😅 4:58
Thank you
Well, this is a good learning opportunity to highlight why HOW you ask for a lawyer is very important. Technically “asking for a lawyer” can’t be used against you, but the courts almost always allow prosecutors to attack defendants with the CONTEXT and words used to request said lawyer.
For example, willingly answering a bunch of questions and getting backed into a corner and then choosing to invoke your right to lawyer “can and will” be used against you. The prosecutor, fairly or not, will eagerly point out to the jury that the defendant was happy to answer questions up until they realized that their story was falling apart.
Another example is that LE has clever tricks up their sleeve to keep you talking even after requesting a lawyer. They’ll say stuff like “only guilty people need a lawyer” and people will feel an overwhelming urge to “explain themselves”. Don’t fall for it. The more you talk, the more LE will exploit that urge to talk and bait you into endlessly “explaining yourself”. Then the prosecutor can and will use every trick up their sleeve to make the words you uttered paint you in a negative light to the jury.
So when LE tells you “anything you say can and will be used against you”, they mean that literally. And in order to invoke your right to a lawyer, you must “say it”. So HOW you say it and the CONTEXT in which you say it will be fair game in court.
Saying “I’d like to have an attorney present if I’m being questioned” [and then shutting your mouth and not saying another word] will be A LOT better for you than answering a bunch of questions up until the “bad cop” starts berating you and then saying “I ain’t saying’ *--t. I think I need a lawyer!!”
LE: “you’re dang right you need a lawyer! You know you’re guilty!” and this will usually keep them talking if they aren’t aware that it’s just a trick to keep them talking.
And I’ve even seen cases where people say “I think I need a lawyer” and LE just completely ignores it and keeps the interrogation going and they keep answering questions. When the lawyers argued that everything was inadmissible after that statement because the interview should’ve ended right there, the judge ruled that it was all allowed because “I think I need a lawyer” was not actually a request for a lawyer. Taken literally, that phrase is so vague that it can be interpreted as “knowledge of guilt”.
TL;DR: be aware of HOW you invoke your constitutional rights.
ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS HAVE AN ATTORNEY WITH YOU FOR ANY INTERROGATION...!!!
So sad as mental health problems should be taken into account and those children should have been kept safer from their mother.
I wonder how close I came to being like those little girls. My mother had pretty bad mental issues. (Bi polar disorder bordering on paranoid shetzophernia ) The only reason i probably survived is my grandparents stepping in. I ended up living with them almost as early as i can remember. Apparently my grandmother spotted what looked like cigarette burns on me and put her foot down.
I am here to let you know how much I appreciate your grandma! She sounds like the best ever!!
@@jomomma1512 she was her and grandpa were both characters like they don't make anymore. I still remember when I was about 10 I saw Granny fight a bull with a broomstick.....and win. She was in her 50s at the time
Im so sorry that happened to you. My mom had me and my sister at a really young age and just never wanted to be a mom. My grandparents raised me and ended up becoming the best friends I’ve ever had. I was able to return the favor the last five years and took care of them in their home until they passed away, one year apart from each other. I miss them so much. ❤
@@brandyh425 well my grandfather died when I was still fairly young (middle school) but I looked after my grandmother till she passed away at 97. I also took in my little sister like they had taken in me.(My sis is 14 years younger than me). My mom was normally one of the sweetest ladies you could meet. She just had episodes where her entire personality changed. When I was in my 20s she finally got help and has been on medication ever since and is a sweet little old lady now. I mean my mom couldn't help the way she was and she ended up with custody cause my dad was active military so. That's just how things worked out.
Supportive loving grandparents are such a blessing.
Giving things away! Between that and a sudden burst of happiness and contentment shown a few days before the life is ended are the 2 most consistent yet under-reported clues to tell others the decision has been made, its just a matter of tying up loose ends before the actual event occurrs.
Why did she still have custody when her family members knew of her ailments and mental issues....?!?
That’s down to the law. Her husband abused her so he didn’t have full custody. That’s a failure in the system, she turned herself into a clinic for psychological issues and yet the children’s protection services didn’t think to maybe put them into care with family members or a foster family.
The fake crying.
Exactly not a teardrop
It really grinds my teeth when people monotone-whine-speak for extended periods like that, to indicate that they’re crying.
Almost every scene Elaine is either crying, whimpering, and/or acting sympathetic.....so pathetic.
RIP Serena and Sophia🎉😢🎉
Never understood why people use their children as pawns
It happens when both parents who love their children are at odds with each other. In an attempt to persuade or explain to them that the other parent is this or that, and not simply loving and supporting them. Sadly, kids get caught in the middle and will make up their own minds.......if given the chance to. RIP Serena and Sophia 🎉😢
Lose the AI voice!! Its ruining the channel.
Once again the judges failed. Name and shame them.
The video where she is addressing her husband freaked me out when it briefly glitched (@ the 14:00 mark).. This whole video is quite sad, and those poor adorable little girls! ugh
That's such a horrible way to unalive !!!! If it wasn't planned or truely a psychotic break, why did she begin selling clothing and homeware a week prior to the time, then conveniently makes a video recording shifting blame to her x ( explaining away her actions) ???? Then she requests a lawyer while acting sad and with lapsed memory !!!???? I dont think it's that simple.
The type of medication she tried to overdose on makes you forget things. I personally took them and would forget nearly everything I did after I took my medication. It scared me so much, to wake up not even knowing what I cooked and ate for dinner. Eventually some things came back to me, but most were a blank. I refused to take it after that. I believe she may have woke up and forgot at first. However, this seems planned with the jewelry and video etc. So she has to remember some things. This is so tragic! How do you kill your children instead of sharing them with their father. Petty and selfish! 💔
He drove her to madness.
I currently take benzodiazepines and have for years. Clonazepam happens to be what I’m currently on. It sounds like your dose was too high because blackouts shouldn’t be a regular thing on these drugs. I’ve definitely experienced them myself and you go into a kind of autopilot while in that blackout phase. She could have very well did everything she did while blacked out and then went to sleep and woke up not remembering a single thing.
I used to take Clonazepam and I had multiple blackouts while taking it exactly as prescribed. My brother said I used to do really weird things while blacked out, like smother my face in excessive amounts of makeup and get dressed up in formal wear just to sit on the couch.
More concerning, I started a fire on our stovetop because I put on a pot of beans and they burned up in the pot, catching fire. I was lucky my brother was there to put out the fire.
Anyway, Clonazepam is AWFUL.
@@supposedhumanmars it’s crazy but I have a similar story about almost starting my apartment on fire while on autopilot during a blackout. I was apparently attempting to make something on the stove and instead of adding butter to a, I put the whole tub right on the burner. Luckily I had a roommate at the time and they smelt the plastic burning. The next thing I remember is coming out of the blackout due to my roommate shaking me and looking around and seeing what was going on. That scared the shit out of me.
I want to add that taking it exactly as prescribed DOES NOT mean you aren’t overprescribed. I was finally put on a dose that was right for me and haven’t had any blackout experiences since.
The baby’s name is Serena not serene. I feel like her name should at least be correct in a doc about her death. Eeeek
Suicides will exhibit the same patterns. Giving stuff away,,seeming happy for a change. They are experiencing the release of the stress and troubles by making the decision to end it all, and that has a power to it. A powerless feeling person,,has made the decision to end the chaos. If you see this on a family member or friend,,get help!!
At minute 1:57 that oldest baby in the photos has a black eye!
I dont care where your heads at...how do you hold your childs head down in water while they fight you? No way
This terrifies me!!! I worry so much about my little 3 year old step daughter...her mother is unmedicated Schizophrenic. She has extreme paranoia, thinks there are GPS trackers in her kids, her car. Cameras in her walls. Thinks the neighbors stabbed kids with aids needles, a ton of crazy stuff...Her father on the other hand, 10 year vet, own house, great job, 2 vehicles, a yard, sound mind, great father!! Yet we cannot get her full-time. With a lawyer and everything. Yet we keep being made to give her back to her mother 3 and a half days a week....despite her 2 older kids not even living with her...only part time. Father has contact with the oldest at all times, with use of a cell...but our baby is not old enough to protect herself, to tell us what goes on, to call for help, to even understand...and she gets left there alone with her, without her siblings at time....I hate it! I hate the system too!!!
I'm so Very Sorry you're suffering ! My Son suffers from Paranoid Schizophrenia. It's a Very Rough Journey. Please take care of yourself Mentally. It's important to do so!🙏🙏🙏🙏
That flooded in memories.... I was a new resident in Barrie with children the same age as hers, when these murder happened. I was shocked and horrified when I heard about this crime. It made me sick to my stomach. Still does. Those babies would be high school graduates today, dreaming of their future.
I love that most of your videos are not an hour or longer😊😊😊
She should've been sent to a hospital. Not prison.
Does this guy know what the definition of the word doubt is?
Why in ALL HELL would one of her neighbors contact children’s aid to applaud them regarding her progress!? That’s ultra-ridiculous.
That’s how we treat criminals in Canada! A sentence of 25 years, they mean 5 years!
Pure evil… those two little girls are with God who is loving them unconditionally unlike their mother!! She hates that man so much she would have done anything to keep the girls away from him!! There are too many women like this in today’s society…
She conveniently adds too many things that don’t point towards her being ignorant of everything. She is trying to play dumb and when she sees that doesn’t work, she asks for a lawyer.
When someone has the kind of delusions described here. 6:45
I feel very bad for them and their family. To them, everything they say makes perfect sense and is very real. Regardless how it sounds to the rest of us, it is as clear to them as water is wet.
That’s what makes it so tragic.
Crazy or not, you’re still responsible for your own actions, period.
she was cunning and manipulative
THere are lots of people that are abused by husbands and wives. They arent out killing babies. She is sick and should face the worst. It upsets me that she is allowed out of the prison.....Im not even sure if she was abused. She sounds VERY VERY narcissistic.
I HATE this argument. It’s such a bunch of absolute BS! ‘Oh, you were abused as a child? Oh well, I just got on with it, just like you should!’ - the entire reason we’re all different is because the workings of our brains are, & that includes mental health, that is SCIENTIFICALLY proven. No two people will handle the same situation the same, ever! That is not excusing her behaviour, but to insinuate a terribly abused wife who experienced extensive DV should’ve ’sucked it up’ & not been profoundly impacted by those experiences is incredibly ignorant at best!
@@LauraBidingCitizen100% agreed. I think she was legit abused beyond what she was able to handle- you can see how much it changed her appearance even.
It is terrifying to think about the harm that he could’ve done to them.
Obviously she wasn’t well enough to keep it all under control. He freakin beat her when she was pregnant even! With BOTH of them! So how can one handle, as a mother, knowing your babies are going directly to that monster?
You’ve witnessed him abusing them already, yet you’re supposed to be just fine with them going to him?
While I don’t believe she should’ve harmed them herself…it’s obvious she didn’t have any help, as she relentlessly was trying to find. I saw in other docs, where she was calling around for help, telling everybody how worried she was over her children- from her husband, and then also herself because she hadn’t slept and knew she wasn’t well.
But nobody would help her.
Those poor babies were doomed from day one.
If you spoke to my ex, you'd come away thinking that I'm an absolute monster who abused her horribly. The actual truth is the complete opposite. She has tried to kill me, has destroyed me financially, and emotionally, raped me, stolen from my elderly parents, and much, much more. Killing your children to keep your ex from having access to them is extremely common in NPD, and I think that's exactly what we're looking at here. The woman has callously snuffed out the lives of two innocents, so why should we trust anything she says?
@@LauraBidingCitizenI’d like to know what doctor declared her mentally sound.
@@downhomesunset Me too!! That horrified me when the narrator stated that!
Some of the words are used wrong… it’s confusing.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed. It's off-putting to say the least.
Her jealousy and hatred for her husband getting custody were the actual motive. If she can't have her children, then no one else can. Justice system should have handed over the custody of the children to either one of the grandparents, they might at least have lived. Just to think of killing your young babies in such a brutal way, gives a shudder in my spine.
Mental illness does not make people into murderers. Murder is a choice. The poor babies had horrible parents, but it was their own mother who murdered them.
On I remember this story .This was huge news here in Ontario
It was big news across the country (normal Albertan here)
This happend in my city. The apartment building is less then 5mins away from me. Its hard to believe they still rent the unit out. I always think of this case everytime I drive by.
Poor babies
Those poor kids, one parent with mental illness so severe she's abusive and the other parent so dependent on alcohol he's abusive! Both are precarious and although they can do well if they stick to their programs they're both easily disrupted falling into abuse. So they end up being murdered by one parent although it could've easily been the other. Why these kids weren't placed with another family or even grandparents?? My belief is that she was also punishing him which is sick.
If memory serves, that is what she said in the video she made the night she k1lled the girls.
I will never forget this case. So so sad 😢
So many of the people commenting clearly haven't suffered severe mental abuse for a prolonged period of time.
I am glad that this is the case.
To be clear, I am not condoning this behaviour.
Twelve years of physical, mental and SA before I was helped by my best friend and his parents. Haven’t even spoken to the monster in 10 years, but I’ll never be the same!
I agree.
Abuse changes a person, and it changes your brain chemistry.
She should have received more help - she said she wasn't coping!
However, the father HAD TO see his kids, regardless of the fact that he abused them too.
I am not condoning her actions, but how did the decision-makers see a different ending?
@@downhomesunset How pivotal is a good support network right!?
I am sorry that you endured that and probably trust that if you let anyone get close, they are going to hurt you too.
Thank you for keeping going.
Thank you for knowing you are worthy even when the intrusive thoughts tell you different.
I hope you have love, light, and laughter in abundance.
The courts didn't take it seriously now the kids are gone.
I watched a long interrogation video of her. She is wily as a fox. It is possible to be both mad and bad. And the intensity of her feeling sorry for herself is astonishing.
Watching her repeatedly pretend to not believe that her children are dead is infuriating.
I am not saying anything about her husband, I have seen nothing with him in it. It sounds like a match made in hell.
But this woman lies and lies and lies, very elaborate lies. She is very, very manipulative, and you can see it in her recorded interactions with her children. You can see her daughter desperately trying to work out what will be an acceptable answer to her mother’s badgering. She reminds me a lot of the guy who threw his five year old off a bridge.
The father is a classic narcissistic personality.
He had demonstrably abused the mother and children.
The fact that in such a case anyone would even think about giving the father custody is unbelievable.
I can't imagine that the mother and children came out of this relationship without being traumatized.
The mother is right that a man who hits his pregnant wife in the stomach cannot love his child.
I don't think he wanted custody because he loved his children but so he could continue to control and torment the mother.
Anyone who has been in a relationship with a narcissist knows what that means.
Yes, the mother killed the children and she would have killed herself too if things hadn't gone wrong.
How easy it is for outsiders to say that she is a monster.
The real monster gets away with it.
He drove her to extended suicide.
She should have been allowed to move near her family after her first hospital stay at the latest. There she would have received the support and help she needed.
I believe that she saw this situation as the only way out for the children and herself.
Yes, the father did anti-aggression training and suddenly changed his behavior. But such training does not change your personality.
Narcissists can adapt their behavior if it helps them achieve their goal. I think she knew that too.
Assuming the father had had the children and the children had then been abused or even died, there would now be a huge outcry as to why this could happen.
Her real punishment is that her beloved children are dead and she must live on.
In my opinion, someone who repeatedly abuses their children or their partner has forfeited all rights, including visitation rights.
agreeed. i believe since her s***** failed and her children died she finally felt a sort of freedom that her children wont ever have to deal with her ex husband again, she definitely had some sort of superhero delusion, i would imagine after her s***** failed, she would try again but she didn’t. she will happily accept the punishment for *freeing* her children..
wow, you are a monster yourself
Right..?
@@murrayshekelberg9754The commenter is right. That abusive father is just as guilty.
This is the mindset of a feminist liberal did he kill them no her looney ass did that shit was premeditated like all other cases you don’t think he picked up on the signs of her not being all the way there I mean they had two kids and history together
No real tears.
Always a red flag..
Can't even shed a tear
It was completely the mother’s fault. I’m so tired of women getting away with stuff because they have a good story.
Most definitely!
The abused was not made up.
why america have many mental issues when crime committed?...
The older girl looks tired for her age. Poor babies
This story is one of my first true crime stories i looked into when i started my journey.
The judge has as much guilt as the perp here!
So does the father. He drove her to madness. RIP little babies.
Your closing remarks were very thoughtful! 😊
This woman is not a stonecold killer. She and her daughters have been abused so brutally, that she didn't see any other way out than that anymore. She was mentally more damaged than most people even can understand and I feel very sorry for her, because she has to live with this everyday, for the rest of her life.
Are you using “doubted” for “suspected” ?? Same mistake made a couple of times at the beginning of this post. 8:56
What was going on at 8:56? I just watched that time stamp over and over, and somehow, I must be missing whatever you're referring to. I'm really interested in knowing w😢here he was using "doubted" for "suspected", as well. I must not have been paying close enough attention because I missed all of that.
@@YeshuaDisciple916 just pointing out he is using “doubted” instead of “suspected” huge difference.
he was such a monster, she couldnt handle the idea of them being with him, how awful
No he wasn't, she was delusional.
The attorney part really threw me for a loop… she knew what she was doing & it was a get back to her husband. She probably didn’t even really try to take her own life
Very great case and many signs of mental health. As I am a person with mental health issues who have been violent in the past myself I’m just glad that I was able to get therapy over three years and being able to live a happy loving caring life with my family my mom and dad brother and sister in law sister and brother-in-law and my two nieces I am happy and pleased to say I’ve beat my mental issues and I’m grateful that I seek help when I did.
Denial is not a river in Egypt...
Won’t subscribe to any channel that uses AI
Those babies Government tremendously let them down... RIP Serena Sophia 🥀😢🥀
I hope she gets the medication and help she needs. Clearly this was a psychotic break which was preceded by tons of red flags.. she should not have been left alone with the kids
A "psychotic break", which she planned for by selling all their clothes ahead of time. And then justified her acts in videos addressed to her ex.
The system failed those poor girls.
He beat her black and blue while she was pregnant with their daughters, he is the catalyst to this tragedy.
The AI in this one really takes away from this powerful story. Just hire someone.
Yes!!
You’re gonna pay? Since you watch free videos and talk nonsense? 😅
@@ellekay4758 AI narration is ruining UA-cam content, plain and simple. The phonetic pronounciation, literal read-out of numbers like 911 or gun calibers, constant repitition of facts, and clunky cadence are all part of a disturbing trend, headed right into the uncanny valley. Give me a talking head, any day. Unsubscribed.
In the intro, the emergency call when she says “Gone, gone!” - you can clearly hear the sound of a child’s voice in the background.
Oh, it was TV. She even recorded her “you made me end them” video with the TV on.
10k bond?? Wtf? How?… justice system is wild in Canada.
How could anybody think this could have been Leo’s fault???
She must pay for what she did
I don’t think much about our justice system in Canada. 25 years is the maximum sentence for 99% of crimes. Heinous as this crime was, she was out on supervised release for “personal development”?!?!? Five years in prison and already walking around……..
@@downhomesunset that's shocking 😲
She was vindictive and wanted to hurt the father
Mental illness. 😢
I love the narrator's voice!
Poor kids had no chance with the kind of parents they had....
REST IN PEACE little Angels 🙏🙏🙏🙏
I think child service people should be paid the most. Because this is the reason alot of children are being failed. Give child service workers what they deserve or else their gonna keep failing our children. Period
We need assistance for mental issues! Dah!!!! Look at our world!!
Your daughter loved you because you were all she had 😢😢 evil people will get karma
That was classical coaching too. “Who loves you the most?” is how feuding parents get their kids trained to hate the other one. The father was bettering himself, and he obviously loved them. Alcohol brings out the worst in people, and kicking the habit is hard.
Sounds like her husband spiraled her into psychosis.
This broad should have gotten life in prison. She wasnt scared or ill she wanted to punish her husband who was chronologically unfaithful.
She chose to marry him knowing what he did for a living.
She didnt want to lose her child support money.
I don't think it was about child support but addressing any female as a broad shows your level of understanding i agree she was awful but killing her children would stop her child support.... she's evil for sure but you're a little on the shallow side
@@echoscismtodaro3140Agree 💯 great comment
@@echoscismtodaro3140 Do you know what broad means? lol. It literally just means "woman". I think you should double check things before you post. This man said nothin incorrect. She would have rather killed her kids vs let him keep them and not have the support anymore. Its gross. Regardless of why she killed them, its gross. It prob did have a lot to do with child support.... You know how many parents do this shit? It wasnt bc he was abusing her or the kids. Nah. Jealousy is more llike it.
This wlis an obvious case of Post Partum Psychosis !!!! Not Post Partum Depression Psychosis !! So sad 😢
@@sheilarogge2461 Do YOU know what broad means? It was always a disparaging word for a woman. Always.
The children shouldn't have been in either parents care. Well something bad DID happen, you killed your babies
I think she should’ve been able to live with her parents. The father was allowed to live with his but not her. If she was allowed those hives might be alive still.
New Brunswick is 860 miles from Barrie, Ontario. The father had visitation rights. Hindsight is 20/20………
OMG those kids were adorable. I do not understand. I dont even have kids and this broke my heart. WTF?! I blame you youtube. I just wanted funny pet videos!
Street justice plz street justice plz
Why do you use the word “doubted” in place of “suspected”? It makes the story very confusing.
Uff her cut daughters😢😢😢
Social media isn't a place for this, come on lady!
Moms shouldn't automaticlly get custody of children
I think the abuse he did to her sent her into insanity and the state, the police, judge did not help her. She told of the abuse and wanted to get away. No one helped her at all so I believe she snapped and as evil as this is to torture and kill your babies, she felt it was the only way to escape from him. This is the problem with abused women, we are not heard and we eventually snap. RIP to those beautiful little girls. My God, how could she. The husband has to live with the fact that he had a huge part to play in his descent into insanity
She is pure evil.
I don't like the last bit of this video "if you're mentally ill seek help..." There is no help in the states. Ask me how I know?! I've saught help and have failed to get it. I hate cases like this. She was painted to be batshit crazy. Her husband was a narcissist... those personality types can really drive people to the point of breaking.
These poor babies was both failed.. first by there parents, then grandparents, then the judge and finally the physchiatric (can’t spell) hospital 😢 (that’s if she was as crazy as she’s making out) I don’t believe it fully! Children aren’t pawns..I hope they didn’t die in pain, unfortunately I doubt that as drowning has to be up there with the worst.
I hope they felt loved… to precious for this world ❤
I think the grandparents did the best that they could.
crocodile tears
Her husband was a monster!
Not the woman her murdered her kids??? Someone really needs to take a good look at any deaths that have ever occured any where near you
Before he drove her CRAZY!! 😮
Whoever killed the kid's is the worst kind of KILLER no remorse for what she did she knew what she was doing!! I have NO SYMPATHY FOR HER OR HER HUSBAND their both GUILTY PERIOD.......
I hope the girl's R.I.P 😇😇❤❤
As bad as the father was she is worst and yet, she was rewarded for being a woman, if the one who murdered the was the father i know he will be already for life and people demanding death penalty probably, equally i guss... Not.
Mental ussues. Those poor kids.
You have so many inaccurate information here.
I know this case, I've already seen mom's heartbreaking interrogation, and the home videos, oh the tears.😭
After hours of innocent crying she's like "I want a lawyer." She had a disturbed upbringing and she was on crazy drugs.😢
I know a lot of people think her story about blacking out on meds is ridiculous but it's really common. I woke up to a trashed apartment and a damaged face and I had no idea what happened. The same night this girl had to get staples to close a gash in her head and she had no clue what happened. I also had a best friend who blacked out on Clonazepam and he committed suicide.
People generally aren't given benzos until they've already exhausted the SSRI field. That's what happened to me. By that time you've had depression for months or years. An entire bottle of 1 mg clonazapam of 30 pills will not kill you. The pills are 100 percent unrelated to everything in this case imo
Sorry buddy not the case here, she contradicted herself just after she said she didn’t know where her baby’s went. Saying she thought they looked weird laying there not asking for her boba with purple lips. Not to long before that she says she thinks her husband has them, while stating she can’t remember. If she has anything mentally wrong it’s that she’s a narcissistic mother who would rather kill her children then have her husband raise them
No tears she's not for real
So, she gathered the gumption to take the lives of her precious babies to, according to her, "protect them from him" but she couldn't find the same resolve and put him on the other side of the dirt?
It's a tell, when someone who seems to (or is **trying** to) be "insane", they ask for an attorney.... If you truly did not know or believe it was wrong, you wouldn't care, you would say what you did, because.... to you.... it makes sense and isn't wrong. I do definitely believe she has mental health issues, but she was not insane at the time of the crime.
That’s post-pardum psychosis
Ugh, she's a weirdo.