Why Is Guillermo del Toro Obsessed with Fish Men?
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- Mike Calabro is here with a look at Guillermo del Toro’s lifelong obsession with humanoid fish creatures, and how ‘The Shape of Water’ is the culmination of del Toro’s decades-long dream.
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The Shape of Water 2017 is shaping up to be one of Guillermo del Toro’s finest movies yet. But Guillermo del Toro The Shape of Water isn’t the director’s first attempt at an aquatic humanoid fish-man. There have been plenty of Guillermo del Toro monsters throughout the years, but he’s always had a fascination with the Creature from the Black Lagoon and it’s star, the gill-man. The gillman was a revolutionary step forward in special effects for 1954, and monster movies would never be the same. As a boy in Mexico, Guillermo del Toro couldn’t understand why the Creature from the Black Lagoon never ended up with the girl at the end. He wanted the monster to have a happy ending, but first he’d have to become one of cinema’s new masters of horror. He got his first chance with Hellboy, starring Doug Jones as a sentient merman named Abe Sapien. The state-of-the-art Abe Sapien makeup was ahead of its time, and it got even better for the sequel, Hellboy 2 The Golden Army, also by Guillermo del Toro. Doug Jones was the perfect actor to play Guillermo del Toro monsters, and not just because he fit into the suit. He brought real charisma and acting skill to every character he played, even the terrifying Pan’s Labyrinth Pale Man.
But now, David Harbour Hellboy 3 is no longer in Guillermo del Toro’s hands, and the Universal monsters Dark Universe looks dead in the water, so we’re probably not getting the Creature from the Black Lagoon remake anytime soon. So, like always, Guillermo del Toro carved his own path, and created a brand new monster for The Shape of Water: The asset. Also played by Doug Jones, the Asset is a different kind of fish monster, and he’s a perfect foil for the case of The Shape of Water. Doug Jones The Shape of Water, Sally Jenkins The Shape of Water, Michael Shannon The Shape of Water, and the rest of The Shape of Water cast are creating a modern fairy-tale set during the Cold War. The Asset Abe Sapien, the Asset Creature From the Black Lagoon, the Asset the Gill-man, none of them are the same creature. Guillermo del Toro Doug Jones brought a new take to the newly designed character, and while he might not be the Creature from the Black Lagoon that Guillermo del Toro is in love with, The Shape of Water the Asset is the next best thing.
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If Guillermo Del Toro can win an Oscar with his Creature From The Black Lagoon AU fanfic then anyone can do anything. Live your dreams, kids.
Yea you are right.
NO NO THATS A BAD DEL TORO
I absolutely fell in LOVE with Abraham Sapien, the design of the character, the makeup, the detail, the characteristics, and the romance, that connected to the love label character. Me being a drawer, I am at this moment drawing Abe Sapien from Hellboy. We love you Abe and keep singing “I can’t smile without you”.
Abe sapien > amphibian man
Pov I just like the fish man
So Guillermo del Toro basically wrote fanfic as a kid.
a lot of kids do that.
Thats almost cute
And now is winning an oscar for it.
Would he have become part of the 'cringe culture' if the internet access we have today existed when he was a kid and he shared his Gill-ManxKay artworks similar to how nowadays tweens do romantic/cute Creepypasta and FNAF fanfictions? lol
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The concept of humans being in love with someone who isn't human is a concept that has been in many different movies, shows, comics and games as well as in folklore as there are stories about animal-girl brides. Del Toro was offered to do a Gill-Man movie for the Dark Universe but after the failure of the Mummy (2017) this never came to be. Del Toro obviously was influenced by the character of the Gill-Man and the character of Abe Sapien is another one too.
Abe in 'Hellboy' was really a cool character and his appearance wasn't repulsive like other monsters.
Yes, heartbreaking how they treated women back then. Imagine all of the other creations/inventions from women that were never credited that we don't know about.
That kind of seems hypocritical if you ask me.
Doug jones is to del toro like johnny depp is to tim burton
Hell yeah or that red head lady to Ridley Scott
"The Shape of Water is the Shape of Love..." It's beautiful...
The Asset is definitely my favorite. He has his own natural beauty and elegance. It just looks like such a lovely movie. I can hardly wait to see it.
what a mistake for universal. guillermo should be incharge of the whole universe.
To think that he offered a chance to remake Creature from the Black Lagoon and Universal rejected the idea. Then he decided to just make his own Creature movie with Shape of Water and won oscars....
Dropped the ball Universal...If they gave him control of their "Dark Universe"might be their way of saying...Sorry
Just imagine universal monster with guillermo in the helm. Would be epic.
Because Del Toro is interested in the unknown and seeing as man has only discovered 6% of the sea, the rest is left to the imagination of what's truly in the deep sea. But Del Toro has the special afinity for monsters and looking at Pacific Rim, with the Kaijus being from the centre of the universe, the sea is a perfect choice. Abe Sapien though is awesome 😁
It's 6% now?
6% lol
lol Abe Sapien is the most beautiful fishman I've ever seen
He looks like a Zora.
True, I'd smash.
Along with Sidon (Breath of the Wild) and Rykou (Darkstalkers).
Next, he should pursue for a Kappa movie (Japanese Yokai) for the fish-man obsession or even something like an Atlantean civilization that worship "Dagon," it's a horror movie of course.
Good idea, buuut Kappa are more turtle than fish.. Another Japanese creature that could work though would be the Samebito! Gentle shark-men who cry precious rubies.
Godammit Del Toro HAS to make a Lovecraft movie.
The studio didn't want anyone to know a woman created the creature.... UGH did everyone forget that Frankenstein was written by a woman? Chicks have darkness in them
Trust me... I know all to well
I remember being surprised when I learned Deadman Wonderland, one of my favorite series and probably one of the darkest things I've ever seen personally, was written by a woman.
For about 3 seconds, then I thought, "Wait, why exactly does this surprise me?"
Women are dark, period. Why are you so proud of it? Do you want a cookie?
@@goldjustgold5942 Dark as in with passion. Why make it such a big deal of us realizing we're not given much credit? If it's because we're not supposed to then why?
@@lucifer82666 it wasnt about that if the sexist men of that age knew that they might not have taken it seriously
*oCeAn MaN*
do you know dewae
Unooo unoooooooo
TaKe ME bY ThE HaND
Lead me to the land
The Creature from the black Lagoon is one of my fovorite movies OF ALL TIME
The Faun from Pan's Labyrinth is hands down my favorite Guillermo Del Toro monster as well as one of my favorite monster of all time, Guillermo said it best that "something is so creepy, it becomes beautiful."
I think The Asset is still has human level intelligence. It just doesn't have the vocal range to speak.
Del Toro should adapt "Shadow over Innsmouth".
Oh that would suit him
He should do an Atlantis live action movie
Woah cool video, I had no idea about the origin of the Gill man's design, thanks so much for informing us about Milicent, I'm reading up about her now and she's fascinating! Also the Shaper of Water is an unbelievably beautiful film, del Toro I think you've got me obsesses with fish men too!
Just saw this movie yesterday. It was gorgeous!
Guilermo del toro & James Wan are my favorite it director's in Hollywood!
I bet universals Dark Universe is kicking themselves now!!!! hahahah seeing as their latest remakes have flopped. Well I for one am glad he decided to do this movie on his own because it is phenomenal and will be re-watched and re-watched for years to come!!!!!!!
I think the biggest mistake was doing PG-13 action fests instead of gory R-rated dramas. Again, they did the Dark Universe to cash in on MCU, so they try to keep it accessible for the whole family. Bleh.
But hey, with the success of Deadpool, Logan and the new IT, maybe R-rated blockbusters may come back.
God damn it, once almost all action films were rated R.
That's exactly what I thought! If they would have given the entire project to a person who genuinely loves and understands monsters they'd be siting in a huge award winning pile of cash right now.
Instead, they decided to have focus groups and board meetings call all the shots on . Way to shoot themselves in the foot.
Chelsea Dagger Not exactly a movie i'll rewatch lol. One time was fine for me. It was an ok film at best
Rodrigo Vega also trying to cash in on a famous celeb(Tom Cruise) who also took over it.
This Del Toro guy.... Has a Fishman fetish...
Guillermo del pejelagarto
Furry
Yeah
Tre Tucker really? It’s as fair as to say that Nolan has a thing for Bats.
And I’m very thankful for it
Guillermo del Toro has on numerous occations explained that he wants to create a lovecraftian movie worthy of said Lovecraft, so it doesnt become a blooper like so many other lovecraft movies* that usually are just "inspired", besides his favorite lovecraft story is just "The shadow over innsmouth" so ofc, he wants to make one that can be remembered as a masterpiece and not junk! :)
*There are plenty of Lovecraft movies out there, with The Resurrected from 1992 the most storylike (The Case of Charles Dexter Ward) then there are:
Cthulhu 2010 (has nothing to do with cthulhu at all really)
Bleeders (Hemoglobin) 1997
The Lurking Fear 1994 (Sad adaptation)
The Curse 1 + 2
etc etc etc...
The answer is H.P. Lovecraft...duh.
you know lovecraft hated fish right?that is why the monsters are so sea-like, he projected his fears and prejudices in his creatures and villains
You can't tell me he didn't read the Neonomicon comic (warning: NSFW). There's too much similarity in some scenes.
I can definately see that
Del Toro was to direct At the Mountains of Madness, funnily.
He never got to it, though.
Actually, Zennim, portrayal of stuff from the sea as evil, distasteful, frightening, etc. is an extremely ancient tradition & can be found in almost all cultures that had access to the sea.
An ocean or sea is the ultimate wilderness: places which have all traditionally been seen as places not for humans & inherently antagonistic to us. The sea is the ultimate place on Earth in which humans & humanity do not belong... & even more than a forest or a desert, the sea conceals its contents very well. Miles & miles of blackness are beneath you when you're out on the open water, & who knows what might be down there?
That's why Lovecraft gives reference to this ancient tradition of fearing the sea & its creatures in his writing. For instance, one of his great fishy gods is Dagon. This is a name pulled right from the Bible. Dagon was the head of the Philistine pantheon (a people who are unilaterally vilified in the Bible); a fishy god of the sea.
Del Toro reuses themes all the time.
The reaper strain vamps from Balde II are very similar to his vamp designs for the Strain.
The Tooth fairies from Hellboy II are very similar in concept to the creatures from Don't be afraid of the dark.
The royalty aesthetic and dynamic for the Fae from Hellboy II (again) is also very similar to the Fae Royalty from Pan's Labyrinth.
Chronos and both Hellboys (again) share the whole living clockwork theme.
He was clearly interested in exploring a mixed race love interest with Abe and Princess Nuada in Hellboy II (again), so it's no real surprise he'd go on to explore that in its own film sometime later.
Del Toro seems to just get themes locked in his head and often revisits them with his own movies if he doesn't feel like he explored it enough in the other IP's that weren't specifically about that one theme.
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I wouldn't mind a reboot for Creature from the black lagoon
5:28 i wonder whats that music
Loved his depiction of the Angel of Death in Hellboy # 2.
The answer is literally just HP Lovercraft, the story is basically a romantic version of "The Shadow over Innsmouth"
So happy you covered this!!🤗
I loved Pan from Pan’s Labyrinth
Was skeptical at first, but I really do love the videos that this channel puts out.
5:51 It was based on Masaru Emoto was a Japanese author and pseudoscientist who said that human consciousness has an effect on the molecular structure of water. Emoto's water crystal experiments consisted of exposing water in glasses to different words, pictures, or music and then freezing and examining the aesthetic properties of the resulting crystals with microscopic photography.
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This new movie by Guillermo sounds a bit fishy.
Z31Rider i see what you did there
Great video ❤️
He may be a Water Bender, and this is his way of telling us.
For a while, I thought The Shape of Water was a prequel to Hellboy.
Elmar A. Hannah yeah me too
I'm still secretly hoping someone pops out with this being the story of Abe Sapien's parents.
According to Abe's backstory he was found in a water-filled capsule in a basement in 1978 while this movie takes place in the early 1960's. Even though the date April 14th 1865 was written on Abe's tank it isn't confirmed that date has any real significance to him exactly (As in a birth-date or something like that). Meaning that Ape could have been at most 18 when they found him if he was conceived in Shape of Water
We are fully aware of that. And I think Guillermo is also fully aware of that and fully aware that his fans will speculate. Guillermo might be making a not so subtle but completely legal nod to a connection.
Also, we are just having fun so lighten up dude!
PersonaX it's very likely that Del Toro would make an unofficial prequel and just leave it up to the fans to make the connection. That's well within his wheel house, both legally and mentally.
*spoiler*
It's never explicitly stated in the film that the two would have or even be able to have kids. It's not even clear is she actually survives at the end or if that was simply the guy's hope being played out in front of us. But it's certainly possible those two could conceive a child and that child could be the Del Toro Verse Abe. The timeline fits.
Really cool video :) I’ve had this weird fascination with fish men ever since ripjaws on Ben 10 lol
"Giving the Gill-man a happy ending" sounds like a Cards Against Humanity card.
So the Shape of Water is a Creature of Black Lagoon fanfic? Cool! Then I should turn my anime self insert fanfic into an Oscar winning flick!
if you can, do it
Great video
Bravo Guillermo.
I swear Guillermo del Toro and I are soul mates when it comes to the love of these fantastic creatures. I ONLY watched Hell boy for Abe and Nuada. I watched Hell boy two first. the first movie there was something off about Abe, which I found out later it was the voice they had a different actor do the voice. But teh Assent... OMFG I was madly in love with the whole idea of this movie. I have everything I can get my hands on for Shape of water. I would LOVE for there to be a part two.
I really adore Hellboy and also Vincent, both wonderfully played by Ron Perlman 😘
So when you think about it..... Shape of water is just a weird fan fic
But its got the horror vibe and everything down
I love Guillermo Del Torro ❤️ kisses from Brazil 🇧🇷
i'm in love with this movie too😍😍😍😍
This is amazing. I had to wait until I was 78 years old to even know who Guillermo del Toro is. I had no association with Hellboy, passing it off as comic book stuff, and, therefore, was totally ignorant of Hellboy and any other Guillermo del Toro film. It was only the shape of water that caught my attention, my mind, and my heart. Of course, once this happened, I decided I knew the shape of water and, , Philly Sam's all there was to know about del Toro. How silly, but I apologize to Mr Del Toro and all of his fans who were clearly knowledgeable, but until last few days of seeing these channels on UA-cam such as yours, I had no idea exactly how ignorant I am. Anything I commented on 24 hours or so before this, please accept my apologies from a very senior woman's narrow range of vision in this specific genre, and thank you Mr Del Toro and you also.
I absolutely love Abe!!!
Abe Sapien was absolutely adorable. ❤
I've been a devoted fan of the Creature From The Black Lagoon for many decades. I just love him! And Del Toro's gorgeous Abe Sapien, performed by Doug Jones, is superb. And then...his stunning.."The Asset" came along, in all his beauty and power. I damn near swooned at Doug Jones' masterful performance, the creature's grace and beauty. Ooooo...I think Millicent Patrick and Forry Ackerman would be VERY pleased! I know I am, with "The Shape Of Water".
OCEAN MAN!!!
Because he's a creative genius
In Philippines Mythology they have the "Siyokoy", which is basically a Human/Fish Hybrid, but it has really long, Swim-Fin-like Feet, maybe del Toro should have done more research on Mythological Fish-People throughout the world.
He is more into seamen
I wish Guillermo del toro directed remake 1975 Jaws millenlial year!
Organic cosmetics and silicone prosthetics are the best.
That bloody The Shape of Water trailer right before this vid was brilliant hahahahah
Oh, UA-cam's algorithm.
You rascally-rascall.
Hell Boy!
Also stikbots theres is a monster call aquafang a stikbot version of Gillman it’s light blue color
Shit he really did make the fish man sexy, god damn
I actually loved Abe saipan
The studio actually wanted to run a press tour with Milicent Patrick to promote the movie. “Meet the Beauty who created The Beast”. But the head of the Art department, the talentless, and petty youngest son of the Westmore Makeup dynasty, Bud Westmore, didn’t want it getting out that a woman made the design, and wanted to take the credit for himself. So he threatened the studio and they were forced to cancel the tour and ultimately fire Milicent.
so he basically make a fanfic movie incredible
He should make a movie based on HPL's The Shadow over Innsmouth.
He's just into fish, love is love
Should've done movie about Salarians!!
Forsome reason me too idk why, im kinda obsess with fish-man everytime when i see a fish-man creature im just fell in love with a fish
Guillermo also Made Pacific rim
So that is pretty *fishy*
ocEAN MAN
SO Universal's could have a movie like shape of water and Guillermo del Toro as director to kick starter their dark universe and they choose the mummy and Alex Kurtzman as director.
There are a lot of references in the movie to the both Abe Sapien and the creature of the black lagoon.
I’m still waitin on Hellboy 3
And the oscar went to...
Viva Mexico
00:20 “Of-*fish*-cially about”
Same
Deep one
"Electric eel"
Shows a lungfish
*OCEAN MAN*
You know what I'm going to put it down Kit Fisto voice by Phil Lamar.
Title: why is he obsessed with fish men
Me: Gill-ermo
Where is "In the Mountain of Madness" ?
Fish men are awesome
You say "the studio" didn't want it known that Patrick designed the Creature, but in addition to being not exactly true (I'll get back to that), let's not be afraid to name names. It was Bud Westmore, head of Universal's makeup department at the time and known egomaniac, who deliberately conspired to keep Millicent Patrick and her contributions buried by history. In fact (getting back to the first point) Universal actually DID want to market Patrick as the Creature's designer. They proposed a publicity tour with her titled "The Beauty Who Created the Beast" but of course, Westmore wasn't having it. They changed the title partway through to "The Beauty Who Lives With the Beast" yet even still, Westmore's jealousy was so great that he got Patrick fired upon her return from the press tour.
Could he make hellboy and shape of water connected. Please
because he love's fish
and yet they wont get him to do the creature dark universe.. which is a shame because he'd probably fight for practical effects.
I also expected more mention of Lovecraft in the video.
He and actor Troy Mclure have something in common.
I like knifehead the most
He's a fish confirmed
They got nothing on us! Hissssssss!
Doug jones fits any slim alien characters.
I love hellboy 😻😻