How sad this issue is demonstrates that we live in a sick and isolating society!! When are the mainstream media going to start reporting on the sheer scale of loneliness and toxic cultural influences tearing apart peoples lives and making people vulnerable to very damaged people.
@@matthewdancz9152 Sadly, this is the problem. Targeting of men and people in general with manipulative ideas and fake solutions is the job of marketeers. Massive amounts of money is spent on these manipulations. The algorithms are set up to target vulnerabilities creating serious problems for individuals and society at large. Those responsible continue fucking smiling and issuing statements about how the health of their clients well-being and lives is important to them. They then go on about being a force for good. I'd love to see Zuckerberg in the dock/ with his metaverse face smashed to smithereens!! (on saying this perhaps I'll be getting some content coming my way that inflames my temperament into violent rage and red cloud thinking!!). Bastards!! And that includes big sections of the media!! Shock jock SCUM who pose as political commentators!! Also organisations like Cambridge Analytica!! How can they even think they are a force for good and deny their culpability!!! How can they be confronted and dismantled!! Once again, bastards!!
@@Anythingyoulike2013 I watched an interview with a man who worked for google. The first step is to change the algorithms so they don't keep reinforcing violent and discriminatory ideas/eg hate speech. Also forcing laws on the likes of Musk and Zuckerberg to fact check content and prevent disinformation from spreading. A lot more can be done. I'd break up these big tech companies and/or have elected democratic oversight with neutral interests of those overseeing. Also the education system needs to have the the expertise and resources to teach children about corporate manipulations. If I could implement that I'd need a huge amount of power Taj Singh. Plus I'd also need to draw on a lot of expertise and research. As for loneliness these companies and governments would do well to improve people's quality of life/ rather than playing on insecurities and stop stigmatising legitimate political movements .
In the 80's, walking my dog in the evening or on a weekend, I used to pass entire streets of men of all ages standing round cars they were collectively tinkering on, discussing all sorts of things. The mechanical cars provided an ever present, non-alcohol based occupation for inter-generational male community building. Cars today may be a lot more comfortable and are definitely a lot more reliable and safer, but I regret the loss of the activities they gave rise to, the friendships and discussions they made possible.
Bro we cant afford cars. Let alone homes like in your time. Simply having a job now isnt a gaurantee of a successful future like days gone by. Why do you think people who flooding to online worlds. Its because its the only place we can achieve anything.
In a way the internet is like the Untempered Schism from doctor who. You stare into it at a young age and to quote David Tenants doctor: "some would be inspired, some would run away, and some would go mad"
@@beganitdidnt6535 His debunk for blackpill was literally that "it's wrong because it makes all in/cels go ER" (like 30% of men would do that JFL) and that "when I ask women they say it's all about the personality, bro". I can't even imagine how he'll react if someone tells him people are capable of lies and the earth is actually not flat. His whole Disney universe collapses 🤣🤣🤣.
@@j.d.s.1837 these people are insane and shouldnt be taken seriously unless the time for doing so arises other than that im just chilling working out and making money😎 normies are the violent ones
@@j.d.s.1837 ok, incel. Blackpill doesn't need debunking because it's so fcuking ridiculous only a halfwit would believe it. Your conspiracy based reality is far more Disney like than his.
I’m going to watch this documentary. I don’t usually admit this but I never properly went on a night out until I was 26 and I’m a virgin at the age of 27. I always just assumed I was ugly or it was because I have aspergers, though I never engaged with the incel community, but when I went on nights out with a friend who pushed me to talk to people, there were women who were interested in me. I think it’s because I moved somewhere else with a more lively nightlife. Though I have experienced unfair behaviour from young women which were being labelled weird and having someone make false accusations against me as part of an intentional ploy - I can understand how anyone who experiences or have experienced these things may be drawn to the incel community. Perhaps ‘weird’ could be interpreted as an ableist slur.
When they say "weird" I think a lot of the time they mean a man's awkwardness makes them uncomfortable. Really though, you do get blokes who've got a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp, but who are well-liked by women because they're comfortable in their own skin. You'd be surprised how far just being polite, engaged and relaxed can take you. Not easy, I know, for a lot of lads, but getting out there and practicing again can go a long way.
I'm really starting to get annoyed with all of these men acting like women can't and don't have the same experiences. There are so many women, who can't get dates, who get called weird or are insulted or not even treated as human because for a lot of men their treatment of a woman is based on her attractiveness. The difference is that most of these women talk to other women, find hobbies etc to distract from it. Most of them just do their own thing while trying to make themselves more attractive by doing other things. The word incel even originated FROM A WOMAN, describing her experience with loneliness. 🙄 and a lot of people are called weird, I've had no issue finding partners. Weird is basically another word for peculiar, strange, out of the norm etc. Not everything that describes something negative or different is ableist. Crazy etc yes abeilist. But weird isn't only connected to or used to describe people who are neurodivergent.
It was great to read your comment. I have a 20yr old Aspergers son who struggles with socialising but he wants to make friends. I try really hard to build up his confidence to speak with people. It really upsets me and I feel helpless to help him
I think that aspiration culture and the selling of sex=happiness has a lot to answer for on this. I mean, advertisers spend millions on making sure people are suckered into the aspiration. Sure. Most people don't end up on these extremes. But, as someone who has had body dysmorphia, social anxiety - and as a consequence - a worldview coloured by that, I can see how people's perspective can become very skewed. I was just lucky enough to have a small handful of decent friends to keep me in an orbit of normality. Social awkwardness means less friends, means more time spent looking from the outside in, means you don't get rounded experiences or a good view of people and the world. Gym culture. Young investment culture. MMA. Everything seems to be geared around an obsession with being as Alpha as possible, and it's sad to see. I'm old enough to have been young in the 90's, and the emphasis on masculinity, success, fun, sexuality etc was completely different. A lot freer and multifaceted, that's for sure. Not to get all hippy-shit on people. But, the youth desperately need some kind of Age of Aquarius or Summer of Love or something to come along soon. Where they get to shed this skin of hyper-aspiration, and just chase happiness on their own terms. A secondary concern of course is the cosmetic surgery industry that seeks to profit from these people's unhappiness. Leg lengthening surgery??. I mean, FFS..........
We really need to help people realize that your self-worth has nothing to do with who you are dating. We put too much value on sex and the opinions of others and to be honest nowadays I have zero interest in dating but that's ok my feeling of self-worth is not based on who I'm shagging, there are so many other ways to contribute to society and live a good and productive life but we tie our self-worth into sexual relations.
Cosmetic leg lengthening surgery became popular because of the women’s obsession with height. A simple look at short man’s dating app performance will show you a night and day difference than someone who is 6’3
I agree that the 'turn on, tune in, drop out' philosophy of the hippy movement needs to come back in a big way. People aren't getting anything out of this society anymore and need to reject it
I've met a few incels in real life, as well as many online, and they were among the most hateful and vicious people I have ever come across. They were also among the most mis-guided and vulnerable too. Almost all of them had the same story. They weren't popular at school, didn't play football, were maybe a bit overweight or had bad skin etc, and they had been quite deliberately ignored by the cool kids. To be cut off from your peer group at that age is extremely damaging, emotionally and socially, and they had never gotten over it. They sat in thier rooms, hating thier classmates and turning that hate in on themselves, until hate is all that was left. There was no positivity in them at all. They're not the captain of the sports team, with a nice car and a cute GF, so to hell with all those losers. To hell with everybody. That's when vile manipulators got a hold of them. All it took was for them to type in something like 'How to meet girls when you're fat/poor/ugly' and pretty soon they're down a rabbit hole, where articles with names like 'Woman are gold digging b*tches' and 'Why men are under attack from rad-fem' tell them that they're not getting what they are entitled too because of some conspiracy to wipe out everybody that isn't a 6ft tall lefty soy-boy snowflake. It doesn't take long before blame is laid at the feet of the NWO and the Jews. The people behind this are, unsurprisingly, extreme right wing anti-semites, who befriend these poor souls and convince them that they're being targetted by a shadowy cabal whose end goal is the replacement of white males. It's tragic, but I have no idea what I can do to show them that they're being used. That might do even more damage in the long term.
Damn, not playing football was the changing factor in my life, that is from where it all went downhill 🤣🤣🤣 (especially in Europe with American football) I'm left wing, pro LGBTQ+, anti Capitol stormers in/cel so nah. Your theory is just that. A theory. This video just gives off this whole cartoonish look on in/cels where we never leave the basement and are all NEET'S and big fans of violence. Sadly, like ITV states, hard work is for ugly people, good looking ones network their way up in society. Which means most in/cels are actually working members of the labour market. I don't even have time to watch in/cel forums or post on them. Radicalization happens in real life, through unprovoked things like snarky comments on your face or being pushed against lockers in HS. Later being excluded by coworkers etc.....
yup can confirm nevermind the grapists, murderers or thieves no the virgins who say mean things about women are the most hateful people on the planet, just lol
There's a great podcast called 'Boys Like Me' which is a fascinating insight into the world of 'incels'... young vulnerable men being self-radicalised, while bad actors are grifting in the manosphere with no sense of responsibility
i agree with much of this video although i don't think that incel = mass murderer in the making. 99.99% of "incels" have lives of quiet desperation that end in the same silence they existed.
Yeah, in fact 99,9% of incels are actually quiet people who are not prone to conflict. But I guess I'm just repeating what you said in a slightly different manner.
im an incel im not mad or angry at women i just accepted the reality of dating and moved on, attraction is natural and scientific you cannot change it, the reaction women have towards when you're around them will decide everything.
Nice way you've chosen I'm 17 and was talking to this 4/10 maybe 5/10 girl and went on a date, because I know I can't afford anything special, or maybe I can? I don't think so looking how my life has been. Gonna give up on dating complitely when I hit 30. I'm going to focus on my career the most because it's my only chance to stand out from others.
Dude, the notion that physical attractiveness is a dominating factor is absolute tosh. I've got a face like a melted wellington boot - but liaised enough that even Hugh Hefner would have applauded. Humour and the ability to hold a conversation matter much more.
@@maxirunpl The simple fact you value people on a scale of 1-10 is why you're possibly struggling on the dating scene. You go out with someone because you like them, as a person, forget looks. Everyone is the same in the dark...
You accepted the reality of dating? Or do you filter out just as many certain type of women as you claim all women do with men? Like who do you see yourself dating? What kind of woman do you feel entitled to? Someone within your league or someone who isn't? Ask yourself that first.
@@maxirunplhoping you’re older and feeling a bit better now than you were when you made this comment. I am curious if your views have changed or if you’ve continued to remain on the incel path.
If more people like Ben Zand just went out of their way a little bit to invite less popular loners out for a night out that would massively help reduce the Incel problem but most people think about themselves and only want to hang out with people who have more status or equal status... honestly if it wasn't for certain mates of mine who invited me out when their other friends told them not too but they still invited me out I might have been an Incel forever!
Who'd have thought a toxic society, where look are quite literally everything. Think of all the cosmetic ads you've seen, all the taglines, all the clothes ads or shoes etc, everybody's got to have the latest this and that and everybody has too look their best 99% of the time. No wonder people feel so undervalued when society has literally said to us every day since we can remember that we have to look our best, be at our best and if we're not then we're not good enough in general, never mind the product being sold. Once again I've arrived at the conclusion that this can only be described as a byproduct of hyper-consumerism/capitalism and the only end goal is profit. All the rest of it, animal testing, incels, tax dodging, is just part of the game, and we, the consumer are not only expendable, but willingly accept that this is just the way things are and it's not right.
Most shoes are garbage not even good for walking outdoors, clothes that are in now will be considered tacky next year if not in less time (mabye even just a month). All extra expenses for what? To be rejected cause in the end no matter what you buy, stature and jawline is far more important than what you wear. Looks don't matter yet sex sells? Is all insane if you even think about it for two seconds.
All of the commenters say how this man is sick and needs help and I agree he must change his attitude on women. But I doubt any of you people could abstain from sex for 20 plus years and stay sane😂
@@tomstarwalker I haven't had sex or any intimate contact in ten years. Incel. Unfortunately, everyone's so focused on 4chan trolls that they aren't aware of a whole community of men in this situation.
@@tomstarwalker Old women in my town tell me they would've loved me when they were young -sixty years ago. Little comfort to me today. I'm a successful lawyer, I play the piano, I've traveled. But, critically, I'm quiet, terribly introverted and quite ugly. What am I going to do? Die alone, probably.
@@roberto8650have you tried drinking alcohol at all? It makes you not so quiet, at least in my experience. Don’t just accept being alone, find ways to combat it!
@@roberto8650 have you ever considered something like Xanax? I understand it’s additive because I’ve fallen down that rabbit hole, but if you use it as a tool like you can alcohol but don’t abuse it, it can benefit you as well
Wish this platform would have invited a person who really understands what this phenomenon is and let them educate everyone. As bad as the incel culture is we have no one infiltrating their forums and trying to snap them out of that 'spell'. Great work really and appreciated but these guys need help for their sake, the sake of their families and everyone else's. Doctors, scientists, nurses, need these platforms to make there professions more appealing. Please please invite them in.
its not brainwashing if you experienced this sht first hand then you could agree its the truth me for example ive had 2 girls leave me for better looking guys when something like this happens to you over and over again it takes a toll like you arent good enough no matter what some guys just have it like this it is what it is 😮💨
Respects for getting 2 girls in the first place. Never had any female friends my entire life, they despised me ever since kindergarden. But yeah, first hand experience blackpills you more than any forum or video.
@@triangle0078 if u think getting both of your friends sloppy seconds is mogging.. but yeah that was over ten years ago in highschool social media wasnt as common i guess having social circles was the key for me getting "success" even tho very short lived now i know where i truly stand in the eye of females now
On the subject of internet causing fewer places to go to get some sense of belonging, I actually think it's the opposite--the availability of places to go is far higher but they all happen to be online. The availability of places that promote this kind of life are far more easily accessible (free) when compared to traditional means of help. Further, these kinds of online communities also retain that level of anonimity that undoubtedly contributes and encourages to theis end.
Adults who don't work, whether self-employed or as employees, continue to face a crisis of connection. It used to be primarily retirees one thought of as having too much time on their hands and getting increasingly isolated and curmudgeonly. Now it's happening before these young men even start working, delayed development, failure to thrive. I retired early, while still young enough to do pretty much anything I could ever do physically and mentally, but have still taken several years to fill my life with fulfilling activity. It's hard! It's that much harder when you've not yet developed practically useful skills to contribute to the world nor confidence in people wanting to interact with you. I feel for these young people. I can only imagine how painful it would be to go through what I did post retirement only with no money, no track record of success, and no useful skills in the economy. All they've got on their side is time, and to them even that feels more like a burden than a blessing. This is inspiring me to include a mention of getting outside and engaging the world in some way in all my online content going forward. If I could have one affect on people, I hope that it could be encouraging people to engage with life more.
@John Sampson If that's the only job you can get, take it. The main thing is to get something on your resume and have a reference who can vouch that you show up on time, don't cause trouble, and do the job you're hired to do. Without that, you're asking for too much of a chance to be taken on you, particularly if as you say you have poor social skills, which likely means you interview poorly. Which is another thing: I have Aspergers so it was always hard for me with social stuff, but I learned to mask well, at least for the single hour it takes to have an interview. I got so good at it that I later taught interviewing skills as a volunteer in a church program. If you don't even have Asp. then you can surely learn to perform effective interviewing even if on a daily basis you'd do better working solo. On the identity stuff, don't get caught in that trap! The world is telling you that everything comes down to identity politics, but it's a lie. I have many times been the only person of my race on a job, many, many, many times! But I wouldn't have been if I'd looked around me and said to myself, "I must not be wanted here because no one else looks like me." Tell yourself the story you want to live. And consider picking the job and training for it, rather than waiting for a job to pick you. Focus on ones that don't require social skills perhaps, like stuff with data, machines, etc. Being a garbage man might actually be a good start, since you just work with machines and maybe a single co-worker, but any job will do. My first job was canvassing. It sucked! It's a completely social job. My first job after college was data entry. Also very low clout job, but at least all I had to do was focus on a computer all day. My work career started hard, but ended well, so no complaints. Hopefully you'll someday be able to say the same.
@John Sampson Have you ever been tested for Aspergers? So much of how you experience things is similar to how it was for me in the world of work. I'm so thankful that I eventually strung together enough 7 month jobs that I developed valuable work skills. Once I had skills I could start my own business, working from home. I think a lot of folks with Asp. really need remote work. The post-pandemic world may present more opportunities than ever before for that reason. Good luck! And happy Thanksgiving.
I think the internet, or rather people's inability to unplug from it, is the main thing that turns dudes into incels. Living online gives you a false sense of reality and you end up living in your head too much. Ive even seen dudes who had girlfriends and wives end up not only losing their partners but also losing their ability to find a new partner. Somewhere along the way they went from mature men to petulant boys. They slowly became really obnoxious and immature after plugging into the net and getting carried away with it. They also listen to men who have these sexist beliefs that isolate men from women and give them advice thats complete nonsense. If you wanna cure the incel problem start there. Because thats a big part of the problem
I think part of the issue is that they’re looking at dating and mating from a business transactional perspective. They’re not realizing that there is a level of reciprocity in that but it’s not a business market where you’re buying items. In dating and mating, you’re dealing with actual people and not objects. In order to deal with actual people, this is where social and emotional intelligence or at least a modicum of it is very imperative. Looking at people as objects to obtain for self satisfaction won’t get you to the goal. The incel has to understand that the images that are portrayed on television, movies, and other means of entertainment are not reality based. The alpha male is not real. A woman will want to deal with you if she actually feels comfortable around you. Again, feels comfortable around you. If one goes around projecting hatred about women and giving off non verbal communication that’s awkward/off putting that’s part of the issue. A lot of these guys that they envy have taken “losses” too. Shoot, there’s prime time pimps and players out there who’ve been knocked for their women. That should give the incel perspective that their expectation in this regard is unrealistic. With that, you have to actually be in social settings and places where the opposite sex is. The world is not going to stop spinning and coming to they’re room or basement. The world and life is happening outside of that. I’m willing to bet that if they actually got their social skills right and went into a cool social setting then they will likely find that there’s women that are checking them out. This incel thing sounds like some mentalism spell being ran in them by predatory individuals who have a stake in having them as listeners and customers. The secret is that there is no magical secret to achieving this stuff. It’s all lies and bs. Do not fall for the spell.
@Boon2000 In a broad sense there's truth to that. In the proper context, the "transaction" is really just having a mutual love and respect for one another. Everything else connects from that and gives the relationship substance and longevity. What these others are talking about is a literal transaction which is not rooted in love and mutual respect for one another. Its rooted in selfishness and objectifying the other partner as well as oneself. Quite a few people sadly fall into this particular category and wonder why their relationships always fail. You can't be self centered/selfish & seeking to dominate your partner if you want an actual loving and caring relationship. It will never work. We are human beings, not commodities to be owned and controlled.
Wow well first off Ben Zand is a really decent guy, evidently by the way he talks, what a heart to go and find these people, let them have a voice. i think the biggest part of the problem is that these people feel ignored and have become convinced they have no voice, no outlet to get second opinions and conspiracies debunked
No he is a liar. I know some of the people he interviewed and he basically lied to them and made them out to be worse than they really are. The femcel, M, for example is actually a really sweet and kind young woman.
@@Rammspieler There are no femcels, there is no such thing as a woman that can't get laid. They can claim to be femcels all they want, they simply aren't.
@@xtdycxtfuv9353 'Condition'!? Nope. I'm definately no incel, happily married and been with the same woman nearly 20 years. Still a mystery to me why UA-cam prompted me about this comment after 2 months though...
@@xtdycxtfuv9353 Some men have been awkward around women since time immemorial. When I was in my teens that was definately me. Did I ever bemoan my lot with the ladies when I was young? Of course I did. Did I ever assume that I had a right to sex or a relationship with a woman? Never. My first wife was a horrible person who made me feel worthless. It took some time to get over. I have physical scars from that relationship. The thing to remember about situations like that is that my first wife was one person, not an avatar for all women. Incel groups only seem to offer a chance to wallow in the misery of where things went wrong with no consideration of where change and improvement could occur. If people only ever tell themselves they'll fail it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. I'll freely admit it's a challenging 'habit of thought' to get out of but it's possible. Read widely, have opinions, have interests. Speak your opinions and things you've read, somebody may have a counter opinion or agree both are fine. Neither be an ogre or a doormat relationships will happen. Romantic ones? No guarantee. But being hostile and focused on the failings of women to recognise your uniqueness will 100% leave you lonely and isolated.
@@jodders619 It’s not awkwardness 🤦♀️ it’s about not being desirable to women and the effects of exogamy and, incidentally, hypergamy. Tinder and other Online dating apps reveal what has been suspected since the first incel became privy to it: only looks matter. This is more true the closer to twenty you are. At your age, looks are of much less importance for a relationship. But for the 2000’s crowd, this is very applicable. Unattractive guys get nothing, and if you happen to be repulsive, that’s just it; expect a life where you are socially isolated. Incel groups, as you call it, are really just depressed and resentful men. That’s the majority, and they are regular in other aspects. I know somehow misogyny gets brought up, but it’s no more common in incel groups than in any other.
I had been an incel at various points in my life but I wasn't part of any online community or anything. It was just pretty rare when a woman would choose me. And no, I wasn't a hermit. I worked in the restaurant industry, acted in community theater, and did vocals for some really good bands for years. Truth is, people are going to go for the best they can get and when you're 5'7" and don't make much money, most women feel they can do better. It doesn't make them terrible and it doesn't make me terrible. It just is. And while I can understand the feelings of rejection these guys have, they aren't acting in good faith. I can't count the number of times I had women turn me down and sometimes very rudely (laughing, getting upset and cursing that only shrimps approach them, or stating they would if I wasn't so short) and how many dates I went on to find out it was just another night out by myself but that's just how it is. These guys "know" it will be a terrible experience so they refuse to act in good faith. So, yeah, I get how it sucks to be rejected but until you've tried in good faith for years, it doesn't hold much weight.
Let me ask you this: if women already look at me with disgust and contempt, you think I'm going to even make the fucking effort to talk to them, let alone flirt and ask them out? You think I'm going to engage them if they don't even show any kind of interest in the first place? How's that supposed to work? And yes, I did have my share of tries and it led me fucking nowhere but a darker and darker place. Failure after failure just grinded me down. Lemme me guess, you're gonna tell me I didn't try hard enough won't ya? Just can't win with you motherfuckers. If your live is so damn nice why do you "care" about the struggles of others? Don't pretend to be empathetic to anyone's plight in life, you ain't.
@@metasequoia3097 Sorry But I won't tell you that you need to try harder. Nobody can use effort to make a woman physically attracted to them. It's impossible. The only thing that you can do is forget about them and enjoy life for the countless other things that it offers. Relationships are in no way the key to happiness. In fact, at least half the time, if not more, they are the key to utter misery.
Yeah I get that many relationships go down the gutter, often for the dumbest reasons, though I just can't accept that I will never have that kind of intimacy in my life. Wish I could and just move on already. Another big issue that I can't control is how I am always confronted with that fact of life whenever I am outside: Couples, people kissing nonchalantly, sex-sells advertisement everywhere you go. It's driving me nuts. Apologies for my tone just then, by the way.
@@metasequoia3097 apology accepted. I know it's hard to believe but I do understand where you're coming from. Do you mind if I ask how old you are? I'm 50. Not that it means all too much but I have gained some wisdom over the years. I'm not going to tell you what you're going to hear from most people because what most people have to say is coming from a life in which they hadn't struggled with relationships.
@@NobodyCares6996 30, sir. No idea what else to say in response, I'm kinda blanked out mentally. And yes that's the truth, people like to give out "advice" which comes from pure confirmation bias (stuff like "if it works for me, it works for you!"). So, it appears you have actually been around in life? Restaurant, theater, vocals in a band. That tells me you know your way around socializing and probably body language too. Makes me think, if I ever saw you in reality I probably couldn't tell how you struggle romantically.
I don't like the word Incel, it's too broad and fundamentally meant as a insult. I've seen trans and autistic people get called it because they struggle to find romantic partners or socially fit into groups.
Struggling to get a mate doesn’t make one an incel. It’s simply a case of having to reassess what one is doing to understand what may be hindering them.
I mean the Incel to Trans pipeline does exist. A lot of this boils down self resentment and body dysmorphia. I've had a very deterministic view of life since I was diagnosed as Autistic. Only the fortunate can afford to belive in a just world.
chad ask why poor timmy deosnt have jawline chad demands timmy grow taller chad is confused when this deosnt work guys you havent taken your daily 7 showers, thats the real secret
I found the documentarian’s manner frustrating. In truth for him it’s all about pursuing his ‘work’ getting the recognition and perpetuating his career and status. The world has become so shallow and despite his faux empathy he is part of what drives it. We now live in a world of, ‘hit the like button’, ‘please subscribe to my channel’ not to mention the pursuit of followers and manipulated selfies. TV and film makers continue to cast the most attractive people in the key roles. Rarely do we see those considered less attractive to have prominent and valid roles. I think rather than being dismissive of how ‘incels’ behave or how deluded their views may seem, we must seek to take their concerns seriously and actually seek ways to change how people are actually valued. Regardless of what anyone may claim here, attractiveness, extraordinary talent or wealth are overwhelmingly the only attributes given any credence in todays world.
"Regardless of what anyone may claim here, attractiveness, extraordinary talent or wealth are overwhelmingly the only attributes given any credence in today's world." Nothing like burying the lead, eh? LOL XD Seriously though, too right and much too real. THIS must change. Otherwise, we're screwed.
@@user-ks1hp2pb5gBetter question, why? Why would you take absolutely insane 'concerns' seriously? If they are mentally ill, that is a whole other issue. Why are you asking a pointless question?
@@BigBlack81 lol…perhaps I was bit over dramatic. I just think that if the problem is dismissed there will be further acts of violence that no one wants.
His view of woman accusing him of rape if he approaches her is actually reasonable. I think if you look a certain way as a male it just kind of throws woman off, so it's their instant defense.
I've never understood the concept really though. Is Incel the ideology, in which case the ridicule is probably fair, or does it literally just refer to men who haven't been romantic or sexual with women, in which case it seems like punching down a little
It is a self imposed/selected name from those who espouse these extreme ideals and wallow in self pity, anger and a sense that the world owes them something, I agree that otherwise it would be punching down. I think in street parlance now people may use it as an insult against people who don't adhere to these ideas but find themselves in that situation which is a bit sad for them lol.
"punching down" is a bit of a silly term imo 😂 it only serves to curb discussion and prevent rationalisation and normalisation. But the definition of "Incel" mostly applies to the self-imposed definition of their own ideology. Of course, it's also used an insult as is the common result with definitions based on negative features.
Most men are Incels in denial(80%), you coping and living in denial of this reality is simply a way to look away, ignorance is bliss. Beta buxing or jester maxing doesn’t exclude you from this inevitable truth.
its sad you have such an absolute and at the same time verry simplistic vieuw of this, there are alot of layers of gray and nuance in this, i think personally that incels are not all these extremist monsters its like saying all muslims are taliban... the truth is that looks are an important part of life there is no denieing this there is enough research around to prove this... is this justification for social isolation ? no ... but there is no denieing that we live in a society where your face mayby will not brake or make you but it will give you an unfair advantage or disadvantage in life and i certainly get why this could make you depressed when other things in your life arent going well either
The frustration boils down to envy. I'm aware is not others fault that I'm the way I look, or that somebody else got it better due to a genetic lottery. Is just hard to feel a point in working hard on yourself when others don't even need to struggle just cause of the fact they look better and are treated better from it. You say your face doesn't make or break you, but is easy to get fixated on it when others demean or praise you soley based on the first impression. I dont know if there is a solution to all this beyond trying to become more attractive, since I doubt the insecurity will go away by just telling myself it doesn't matter as much as I think.
@@hmq9052 No, that’s why it’s a good insight as I don’t know why these lads are so angry or why they are Incels. It seems part of being an Incel is trolling.
From the videos I've seen of Elliot Roger he did repeatedly say that he was very good looking, but expected solely that would attract women to throw themselves at him when he basically never tried to talk to any women due to lack of social skills or shyness or whatever. He was a great example of someone who was completely delusional about how dating and relationships work and became a monster
@@kronictonic elliot rodger was 5ft 6, ethnic and had the bone structure of a 12 year old. In his manifesto he complained that the only guys getting girls were tall, athletic football playing chads. His looks were the primary reason why girls hated him. The guy had zero sex appeal and no woman is physically attracted to a 5ft 6 skinny weak guy
@@dylanfrazer4429 there are plenty of accounts of his poor social skills. He used to physically attack couples out on dates (like throwing drinks on them). His personality was repugnant. His piss poor attitude towards women is why he was avoided by them
All it takes is to walk up to a girl, say hi, tell her a joke then ask her out. If she says no then move on to the next and repeat over and over until you have a date. Talk to 23 women each night. Within a month you'll have your first date. Easy Peezy.
I always find that incels who blame women for the state of the dating scene... they filter out certain type of women too. How are you a 6 and expect to date a 9, realistically? They need to admit to themselves that they feel entitled to baddies, while they filter out women who are in the same league as them.
@@villain205 I agree, I used to really struggle to attract women, I was probably a 6 or 7 in looks but a 1 or 2 in confidence and self esteem with women. I had to really put myself out there and talk to and approach women to get rid of the imposter syndrome I felt just for showing interest in women in found attractive.
It's not available on All 4 but I found it on UA-cam a very good documentary and the way you treated the guy when you took him out for an evening in Southampton was an eye opener and what a great young woman you happened to be sitting next to as well.
Who’s running these sites then? These people aren’t killing themselves but they’re encouraging their followers to do it. There must be some way to track these scumbags down.
The whole thing is just depressing through and through. There is no point in pointing fingers at whose fault all of this is in my opinion. Wether you wanna blame the culture or the isolated indivuals themself it doesn't really matter. We are all to blame equally in the end. Maybe this seems a little bit too gloomy coming from me but it seems like this is a trend that is going to continue as we are entering a time in which fundamentally human connections are harder and harder to find. People like to make fun of Incels instead of looking deeper into what is going on. I feel allot of empathy for these people. I'm not trying to make myself seem like a saint but I sure as hell also don't wanna make fun of people who feel like they are nothing but a burden to the rest of the world. Its a sad world we live in.
Empower yourself, make friends, create, dance, be yourself, be included, get support, discuss politics, don’t discuss politics, whoever you are, whatever background, whatever gender, release anger and aggression in a HC scene. X
@@gatotcka5017 indian moment am I righ??? Huhuhuhubuhu, anyways, sex is the least of my concerns, putin better nuke the privledged and happy people in the west
I don't get what you mean....Oh now I do as I'm writing LOL. Yeah those guys can help straight guys with what they need to wear, how to talk to women etc.. You may have something there
Well Im not tall, have loads of freckles and even more when I was a kid, bullied a lot. But when I went to uni I realised , girls like to laugh and have fun so met loads of girls , married twice. Never had a problem with the ladies and I am no Brad Pit never was , I just don't gettit .
Every time a man looks at me I scream "help" as loudly as I can. For some reason, my husband, brothers & colleagues seem to dislike this but obviously all women hate all men so this is what we all do...🙄🙄🙄🙄 Where do they get these ideas from? Do they literally never leave their house? Don't they have Mums, aunts sisters? Don't tell them my best friend is a man: their heads will explode. 💥
@@j.d.s.1837 I married my husband because he is a good honest, kind hardworking man. For me personally finding someone who liked me for the right reasons was a challenge. He treats me well & we've been together for nearly twenty years. He is type 1 diabetic and overweight now too, yet we remain married. Beauty is only skin deep. You need to get help. See a psychiatrist. Women aren't going to want to go anywhere near someone with extreme views who hates them now are they? Have you ever asked your Mum how she chose your Dad? Ever actually talked to your aunts/cousins/sisters? You must have women in your life surely? Do you really think they are only interested in men who look a certain way? #getalife
@@fenlandwildlifeclips You don't ask people, you look at what they do. Actions speak louder than words. If I were to ask any female she would repeat the same old pattern you did. "Muhhh personality ...." and so on. But if you look at their actions, it differs. They all married guys taller than them. They all married guys who were decently attractive, like 7/10 or 8/10. But you gotta see: You left the dating market (at least I hope so) when you marries your man. That means you haven't lived through the technological progress done in one decade (2010 - 2020). In 20 years, from 2000 to 2020 the dating market has gone insane. In 2008 about 8% of men were in/cels. Now it's 28% closing in on 30%. You lived in a time where people were in a small village and only had like 20 or 30 peers to choose from. Now its a global market with global competition. That leads, as we know in economy, to a few global players who monopolize the good. Same thing happened here. It's just that only men complain because females ARE the monopoly, they are the only suppliers of intimacy globalization has led to that realization for all females. Now they can raise the price (required looks) without losing any customers (men) as there are 0/nada/null substitutes for the good (intimacy). Do you get why I'm frustrated?
@@j.d.s.1837 I haven't got time for this. You have two option 1) Speak to real women & get psychiatric help or 2) Carry on being radicalised by online idiots. It's your life. You chose.
Great video. Something I would like to add to the discussion around incels is that underlying problem of incels is the economy. It's been known for over 100 years now that as inflation increases the amount of sex people are having decreases. This is because it becomes more expensive to raise a child and thus much more dangerous for women to have an unplanned pregnancy which I believe is the real cause of what incels call hypergamy. Because of the economy it's much more expensive to socialise since our culture is based around consumerism and thus people are socialising less. Also parents are forced to more locate time and attention away from their children and more into earning money due to this the state has basically become the step in parent for a lot of children the problem here is that important skills such as socialising aren't taught in schools.
@@laminmbye-prior7147 The simple solution is women have too many rights and not enough responsibility in society. But thats just a macro thing, the immediate problems incels face are looks, race, height etc.
This is the problem... This world view only supplied through the internet where you have these so cold " business men" or "entrepreneurs" like Fat and Foolish or Andrew Taint even though anyone with some common sense can see there scam artists... The real world is filled with so many kinds of people you have your 9 to 5s, cops, chefs, gangsters, people who live on the open road, people who have been across the entire world, people who have so many stories and life styles it's impossible to mention them all... And seeing people talk about things like " the war between genders" is ridiculous to most people which is why when people say this kind of stuff is getting more traction on the internet and we need to worry I heavily disagree... Yes lots of people who spent most of there time on the internet have these incorrect views and we know there incorrect, because it's factually incorrect you cannot say there true... But once again from people who don't have very much to do with the real world... In every day life most people and when I say most I mean 90 percent or more don't care about gender, race and so on... I've lived in many countries and have traveled a lot throughout my life and the incel world view is extremely rare and I've seen only one of them in real life and they weren't even an incel they has some sexist views, but that was it. Edit: also this specific gentlemen seemed have a lot of mental illness and the whole video game thing from the lady was also very sad I hope they do better
This is the most I've ever heard about incels. And this is far more insane than I ever thought. Smashing their face in with a hammer to improve their looks?
@@johnmilius3031 hey if they want to solve ince/dom they should just legalize euthanasia globally so many of us never stood a chance😮💨 they dont want us here anyways as you can see by their aggressive and dismissive behavior towards us "problems arent problems until they show up at your front door"
I've been an observer of the community and the broader manosphere for years. I've never seen hitting yourself with a hammer being promoted once, I have no idea where they found this guy. Looksmaxxing usually refers to going to the gym and doing the usual things you'd expect to be recommended to do to improve your appearance. The documentary clearly only featured extremes and intended to shock rather than inform.
It literally gives women zero credit it's just like we are shallow sex obsessed blow up dolls. What do these guys think they came out of? If they're no oil painting how did their parents do it? Basic questions are just not asked.
@@harsh3948 what are you saying here? Dating apps aren't the real world, most people aren't meeting through dating apps, their out meeting through friends or in the physical world...
Really fascinating and depressing. I'll most likely check out the documentary. I do wish though that Ben would leave out the remarks about his view of the "attractiveness" of the people he met. You can't have a solution to this cult that only works for people who are actually not bad looking, in his eyes.
Had no idea about incels and how the interviewee connects with mental health instead of judging and trying to bring out into light to help and make aware to outside world. When we loose our focus from Jesus and meditating on BIBLE. Fear of many things from the world creeps in. Thanks for making it aware without judging. It is on the bridge of bigger problem for this generation.
Is the civil rights movement to blame for growing white supremacy in the west? Blaming an equal rights movement on worsening gender/racial/etc relations makes no sense. Conflict arises because previous structures of power are being threatened, and those in power begin to feel powerless in when they are taken down from that place of privilege.
There are so many threads in our society nowadays. All these incels should be under dense control. I am glad that NSA has the instruments to deal with it.
Most incels are completely harmless jfl. The vast majority of people who commit violence are extroverted males who have an abundance of sexual partners.
And allll of this is on women's heads to carry. You cross the wrong one at the wrong time, and it's your death or maiming. But go on, let's hear once more about the dire need for "men's rights." Someone says, I'm being hunted and slaughtered, and the response is, but what about *my* rights".
"You cross the wrong one at the wrong time, and it's your death or maiming" This happens to anyone regardless of gender, welcome to the real world you can thank me later
@@morgannyan2738 Just fyi, when you leave comments like this, all you're doing is picking up a mic and announcing to the world that you're 1) young, 2) male, 3) haven't got a clue what's going on around you, but (∞→), you have a keyboard.
@@ninsuhnrey youre right i apologize for being born young and male, i forgot 50% of the population isnt allowed to "pick up the mic" and have their voice heard, some would say thats being sexist and ageist but not you right?
@@beganitdidnt6535 Clearly you Don't Bwahahahahhahhahahahhah...Tell us how you'll fix the problem. You won't and can't. Transphobic won't help you either with that smug ("real" women or men know better than someone that has been both) remark. Which is funny as they know first hand what it's like to be both genders. Stay bigoted though. Incels will love you for it.
@@beganitdidnt6535 That means nothing LOL. Doesn't change a fact of what I wrote. You'd STILL do nothing to fix it. You won't even try because you have no idea how to even start.
No we don't. We make our own choices and we choose not to get with sexist immature guys with a sense of entitlement, backwards views, and an attitude problem. You're not entitled to squat, we don't owe you anything and we don't have to answer for anything. We can do what we want and who we want. Accept it
I'd rather cut to the controversial nub of the issue: "Women do not owe you sex". There is an amusing correlate to this which I find is usefully phrased as so: A. Men tend to prefer capitalism in the market of resources and socialism in the market of sex. B. Women tend to prefer socialism in the market of resources and capitalism in the market of sex. Given men as a group are net tax contributors and women as a group are net tax deficits (can I stick links in this?) - an uncomfortable mirror issue reveals itself: "Men do not owe you money." The demands of socialism are extremely similar to incel ideology: There is considered to be an imbalance where some people end up with nothing and some people seem to end up with everything - the obvious capitalist response is: Sort out your bad attitude - the system works fine. To which a socialist says: No the system is unfair, and authority should by force re-allocate resources to those who aren't getting a sufficient amount from those who are successful at it in the free market. This is the exact same mentality as the incel: Rather than sorting out their bad attitude, a socialist blames the system and says things should be re-allocated so they can win even when they're losers. The logic is inescapable - incels are a product of leftism as well.
Socialism is the ownership of the means of production by those who use it to produce value. People should own their own bodies. Neither Socialism and Capitalism relates to sex outside of the realm of sex work. Your comment portrays a really unhealthy transactionary view of sex.
@@Jay_Johnson Yes interestingly enough it's in vogue at the moment for the left to be pro sex work - but somehow I'm the one with the unhealthy "transactionary" [sic] view of sex? Unpack that one for me - bearing in mind you're basically doing good is good as long as I can stick in as many ad hoc clauses as I like?
@@Jay_Johnson And don't get me wrong I think both sorts are contemptible losers: Seize the means of production / reproduction - it's the same f-ing thing, you're forcing someone to do "sex work" or "work" for you because you have a bad attitude to sorting yourself out.
Hated this guy, dude tried to assert moral superiority in his so called 'documentary' by lambasting a guy who made a song to creatively express why shooters commit mass shootings. Ironically he was the type of guy that propagates the extreme actions of incels by demeaning them in any way possible with his condescending/ignorant attitude.
How sad this issue is demonstrates that we live in a sick and isolating society!! When are the mainstream media going to start reporting on the sheer scale of loneliness and toxic cultural influences tearing apart peoples lives and making people vulnerable to very damaged people.
Fixing societal issues impacting men doesn't make money.
@@matthewdancz9152 Sadly, this is the problem. Targeting of men and people in general with manipulative ideas and fake solutions is the job of marketeers. Massive amounts of money is spent on these manipulations. The algorithms are set up to target vulnerabilities creating serious problems for individuals and society at large. Those responsible continue fucking smiling and issuing statements about how the health of their clients well-being and lives is important to them. They then go on about being a force for good. I'd love to see Zuckerberg in the dock/ with his metaverse face smashed to smithereens!! (on saying this perhaps I'll be getting some content coming my way that inflames my temperament into violent rage and red cloud thinking!!). Bastards!! And that includes big sections of the media!! Shock jock SCUM who pose as political commentators!! Also organisations like Cambridge Analytica!! How can they even think they are a force for good and deny their culpability!!! How can they be confronted and dismantled!! Once again, bastards!!
No one cares about men, most men don’t care about men either. This is why we need MRA‘s, unlike feminism.
report what, its fixable, fix it, the power is in your hands ! ! ! ! !
@@Anythingyoulike2013 I watched an interview with a man who worked for google. The first step is to change the algorithms so they don't keep reinforcing violent and discriminatory ideas/eg hate speech. Also forcing laws on the likes of Musk and Zuckerberg to fact check content and prevent disinformation from spreading. A lot more can be done. I'd break up these big tech companies and/or have elected democratic oversight with neutral interests of those overseeing. Also the education system needs to have the the expertise and resources to teach children about corporate manipulations. If I could implement that I'd need a huge amount of power Taj Singh. Plus I'd also need to draw on a lot of expertise and research. As for loneliness these companies and governments would do well to improve people's quality of life/ rather than playing on insecurities and stop stigmatising legitimate political movements .
In the 80's, walking my dog in the evening or on a weekend, I used to pass entire streets of men of all ages standing round cars they were collectively tinkering on, discussing all sorts of things. The mechanical cars provided an ever present, non-alcohol based occupation for inter-generational male community building. Cars today may be a lot more comfortable and are definitely a lot more reliable and safer, but I regret the loss of the activities they gave rise to, the friendships and discussions they made possible.
well those cars are still there and modern cars can still be modified however the price makes it a lot more difficult
I hadn't noticed this change until you mentioned it - so true
@Soul of a robot Can play games, build other things, play sports, create art, go hiking...even seen adults play tag. Seems like a good time
To be fair, groups of young men still do gather around and talk about cars. They're usually treated as a menace though
Bro we cant afford cars. Let alone homes like in your time. Simply having a job now isnt a gaurantee of a successful future like days gone by. Why do you think people who flooding to online worlds. Its because its the only place we can achieve anything.
In a way the internet is like the Untempered Schism from doctor who. You stare into it at a young age and to quote David Tenants doctor:
"some would be inspired, some would run away, and some would go mad"
Like The Master, who only heard the sound of the drums from that point onward.
“Just go meet people bro”
it's actually that easy. you can deny it but you're just outing yourself as a weenie. don't be a weenie.
"Bruh just meet people, so easy for me"
Look who's talking.
i think they just want us to do stupid sh1t so they can say "ha i told you so"!
other than that they dont care about us and just want us gone aka d3ad
@@beganitdidnt6535 His debunk for blackpill was literally that "it's wrong because it makes all in/cels go ER" (like 30% of men would do that JFL) and that "when I ask women they say it's all about the personality, bro".
I can't even imagine how he'll react if someone tells him people are capable of lies and the earth is actually not flat. His whole Disney universe collapses 🤣🤣🤣.
@@j.d.s.1837 these people are insane and shouldnt be taken seriously unless the time for doing so arises other than that im just chilling working out and making money😎
normies are the violent ones
@@beganitdidnt6535 based.
@@j.d.s.1837 ok, incel. Blackpill doesn't need debunking because it's so fcuking ridiculous only a halfwit would believe it.
Your conspiracy based reality is far more Disney like than his.
we are all living with and suffering from a range of cultural disorders and we keep on locating the issues within the individual.
The diversity of joe's political content is awesome
Wtf it's all far left
@@RatherFatJewishMan oh come on, how are incels far left? Far reich more like..
@@OrangeCanna9468 no I mean Joe. Hahaha not the incels
😂😂 that has to be bait
@Awoke Awoke no I mean joe
I’m going to watch this documentary. I don’t usually admit this but I never properly went on a night out until I was 26 and I’m a virgin at the age of 27. I always just assumed I was ugly or it was because I have aspergers, though I never engaged with the incel community, but when I went on nights out with a friend who pushed me to talk to people, there were women who were interested in me. I think it’s because I moved somewhere else with a more lively nightlife.
Though I have experienced unfair behaviour from young women which were being labelled weird and having someone make false accusations against me as part of an intentional ploy - I can understand how anyone who experiences or have experienced these things may be drawn to the incel community. Perhaps ‘weird’ could be interpreted as an ableist slur.
When they say "weird" I think a lot of the time they mean a man's awkwardness makes them uncomfortable. Really though, you do get blokes who've got a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp, but who are well-liked by women because they're comfortable in their own skin. You'd be surprised how far just being polite, engaged and relaxed can take you. Not easy, I know, for a lot of lads, but getting out there and practicing again can go a long way.
I'm really starting to get annoyed with all of these men acting like women can't and don't have the same experiences. There are so many women, who can't get dates, who get called weird or are insulted or not even treated as human because for a lot of men their treatment of a woman is based on her attractiveness. The difference is that most of these women talk to other women, find hobbies etc to distract from it. Most of them just do their own thing while trying to make themselves more attractive by doing other things. The word incel even originated FROM A WOMAN, describing her experience with loneliness. 🙄 and a lot of people are called weird, I've had no issue finding partners. Weird is basically another word for peculiar, strange, out of the norm etc. Not everything that describes something negative or different is ableist. Crazy etc yes abeilist. But weird isn't only connected to or used to describe people who are neurodivergent.
It was great to read your comment. I have a 20yr old Aspergers son who struggles with socialising but he wants to make friends. I try really hard to build up his confidence to speak with people. It really upsets me and I feel helpless to help him
@@deebo27 statistics show it doesn’t look good at all for autists later in life and that it only gets worse
Who cares if your a virgin at 50 I dont lol
I think that aspiration culture and the selling of sex=happiness has a lot to answer for on this. I mean, advertisers spend millions on making sure people are suckered into the aspiration. Sure. Most people don't end up on these extremes. But, as someone who has had body dysmorphia, social anxiety - and as a consequence - a worldview coloured by that, I can see how people's perspective can become very skewed. I was just lucky enough to have a small handful of decent friends to keep me in an orbit of normality. Social awkwardness means less friends, means more time spent looking from the outside in, means you don't get rounded experiences or a good view of people and the world.
Gym culture. Young investment culture. MMA. Everything seems to be geared around an obsession with being as Alpha as possible, and it's sad to see. I'm old enough to have been young in the 90's, and the emphasis on masculinity, success, fun, sexuality etc was completely different. A lot freer and multifaceted, that's for sure. Not to get all hippy-shit on people. But, the youth desperately need some kind of Age of Aquarius or Summer of Love or something to come along soon. Where they get to shed this skin of hyper-aspiration, and just chase happiness on their own terms.
A secondary concern of course is the cosmetic surgery industry that seeks to profit from these people's unhappiness. Leg lengthening surgery??. I mean, FFS..........
We really need to help people realize that your self-worth has nothing to do with who you are dating. We put too much value on sex and the opinions of others and to be honest nowadays I have zero interest in dating but that's ok my feeling of self-worth is not based on who I'm shagging, there are so many other ways to contribute to society and live a good and productive life but we tie our self-worth into sexual relations.
TLDR
Cosmetic leg lengthening surgery became popular because of the women’s obsession with height. A simple look at short man’s dating app performance will show you a night and day difference than someone who is 6’3
I agree that the 'turn on, tune in, drop out' philosophy of the hippy movement needs to come back in a big way. People aren't getting anything out of this society anymore and need to reject it
@@jonsouth1545 why would anyone want to contribute to a society they get nothing out of?
I've met a few incels in real life, as well as many online, and they were among the most hateful and vicious people I have ever come across. They were also among the most mis-guided and vulnerable too. Almost all of them had the same story. They weren't popular at school, didn't play football, were maybe a bit overweight or had bad skin etc, and they had been quite deliberately ignored by the cool kids. To be cut off from your peer group at that age is extremely damaging, emotionally and socially, and they had never gotten over it. They sat in thier rooms, hating thier classmates and turning that hate in on themselves, until hate is all that was left. There was no positivity in them at all. They're not the captain of the sports team, with a nice car and a cute GF, so to hell with all those losers. To hell with everybody.
That's when vile manipulators got a hold of them. All it took was for them to type in something like 'How to meet girls when you're fat/poor/ugly' and pretty soon they're down a rabbit hole, where articles with names like 'Woman are gold digging b*tches' and 'Why men are under attack from rad-fem' tell them that they're not getting what they are entitled too because of some conspiracy to wipe out everybody that isn't a 6ft tall lefty soy-boy snowflake. It doesn't take long before blame is laid at the feet of the NWO and the Jews. The people behind this are, unsurprisingly, extreme right wing anti-semites, who befriend these poor souls and convince them that they're being targetted by a shadowy cabal whose end goal is the replacement of white males. It's tragic, but I have no idea what I can do to show them that they're being used. That might do even more damage in the long term.
It’s the dark web, these people are chronically online
Thing is that most of us weren't cool either, that was a very small 'elite' but that didn't lead me or anyone I know to become incells.
You have a good heart.
Damn, not playing football was the changing factor in my life, that is from where it all went downhill 🤣🤣🤣 (especially in Europe with American football)
I'm left wing, pro LGBTQ+, anti Capitol stormers in/cel so nah. Your theory is just that. A theory. This video just gives off this whole cartoonish look on in/cels where we never leave the basement and are all NEET'S and big fans of violence.
Sadly, like ITV states, hard work is for ugly people, good looking ones network their way up in society. Which means most in/cels are actually working members of the labour market. I don't even have time to watch in/cel forums or post on them. Radicalization happens in real life, through unprovoked things like snarky comments on your face or being pushed against lockers in HS. Later being excluded by coworkers etc.....
yup can confirm nevermind the grapists, murderers or thieves no the virgins who say mean things about women are the most hateful people on the planet, just lol
There's a great podcast called 'Boys Like Me' which is a fascinating insight into the world of 'incels'... young vulnerable men being self-radicalised, while bad actors are grifting in the manosphere with no sense of responsibility
@@tomstarwalker No need in the UK for any covid restrictions now, thanks to high vaccination uptake
@@tomstarwalker I don't understand what are you referring to?
@@tomstarwalker Sorry to hear that - where I live in the UK there are 6 approved COVID vaccines for public use.
@@tomstarwalker Great :)
i agree with much of this video although i don't think that incel = mass murderer in the making.
99.99% of "incels" have lives of quiet desperation that end in the same silence they existed.
Yeah, in fact 99,9% of incels are actually quiet people who are not prone to conflict. But I guess I'm just repeating what you said in a slightly different manner.
you should do another documentry on older ones in there 30s/40s
im an incel im not mad or angry at women i just accepted the reality of dating and moved on, attraction is natural and scientific you cannot change it, the reaction women have towards when you're around them will decide everything.
Nice way you've chosen I'm 17 and was talking to this 4/10 maybe 5/10 girl and went on a date, because I know I can't afford anything special, or maybe I can? I don't think so looking how my life has been. Gonna give up on dating complitely when I hit 30. I'm going to focus on my career the most because it's my only chance to stand out from others.
Dude, the notion that physical attractiveness is a dominating factor is absolute tosh. I've got a face like a melted wellington boot - but liaised enough that even Hugh Hefner would have applauded.
Humour and the ability to hold a conversation matter much more.
@@maxirunpl The simple fact you value people on a scale of 1-10 is why you're possibly struggling on the dating scene. You go out with someone because you like them, as a person, forget looks. Everyone is the same in the dark...
You accepted the reality of dating? Or do you filter out just as many certain type of women as you claim all women do with men? Like who do you see yourself dating? What kind of woman do you feel entitled to? Someone within your league or someone who isn't? Ask yourself that first.
@@maxirunplhoping you’re older and feeling a bit better now than you were when you made this comment. I am curious if your views have changed or if you’ve continued to remain on the incel path.
If more people like Ben Zand just went out of their way a little bit to invite less popular loners out for a night out that would massively help reduce the Incel problem but most people think about themselves and only want to hang out with people who have more status or equal status... honestly if it wasn't for certain mates of mine who invited me out when their other friends told them not too but they still invited me out I might have been an Incel forever!
Who'd have thought a toxic society, where look are quite literally everything. Think of all the cosmetic ads you've seen, all the taglines, all the clothes ads or shoes etc, everybody's got to have the latest this and that and everybody has too look their best 99% of the time.
No wonder people feel so undervalued when society has literally said to us every day since we can remember that we have to look our best, be at our best and if we're not then we're not good enough in general, never mind the product being sold.
Once again I've arrived at the conclusion that this can only be described as a byproduct of hyper-consumerism/capitalism and the only end goal is profit.
All the rest of it, animal testing, incels, tax dodging, is just part of the game, and we, the consumer are not only expendable, but willingly accept that this is just the way things are and it's not right.
Most shoes are garbage not even good for walking outdoors, clothes that are in now will be considered tacky next year if not in less time (mabye even just a month). All extra expenses for what? To be rejected cause in the end no matter what you buy, stature and jawline is far more important than what you wear. Looks don't matter yet sex sells? Is all insane if you even think about it for two seconds.
The irony of an attractive man judging incels just shows how out of touch most of society is. Of course he has no idea. He’s never dealt with it.
most incels are no where near as far-gone as the ones in the documentary. I wish he spoke to normal incels
Sadly, most media only deal in demonizing and fear-mongering to gain viewers.
He very much did, including a few friends of mine, but these people only took the worst possible content they came across online. Disingenuous dogs.
@@iamnotoforiginald9206 oh wow. Sorry to hear that. I had a feeling this Benjamin was full of faux empathy and just wanted to monetise his work. Shame
@@Oakland510 so just like the manosphere grifters who pray on these spotty nerds.
@@iamnotoforiginald9206 ok, incel.
All of the commenters say how this man is sick and needs help and I agree he must change his attitude on women. But I doubt any of you people could abstain from sex for 20 plus years and stay sane😂
Exactly is so funny
All the people who criticize inkwells are all in relationships
@@thedarkestknight8381 inkwells 😂😂😂 you learn something new and tragic everyday…
Still sane here.
@@kathyheyne6030don’t be dense, you know this doesn’t apply to you
Ah the classic method of finding somebody deranged to portray a entire group as. it’s over.
You speak like a reddit nerd
I feel like "incel" has been deeply redefined.
@@tomstarwalker I haven't had sex or any intimate contact in ten years. Incel. Unfortunately, everyone's so focused on 4chan trolls that they aren't aware of a whole community of men in this situation.
@@tomstarwalker Old women in my town tell me they would've loved me when they were young -sixty years ago. Little comfort to me today. I'm a successful lawyer, I play the piano, I've traveled. But, critically, I'm quiet, terribly introverted and quite ugly. What am I going to do? Die alone, probably.
@@roberto8650have you tried drinking alcohol at all? It makes you not so quiet, at least in my experience. Don’t just accept being alone, find ways to combat it!
@ Yes. It helps. ADHD meds help, too.
@@roberto8650 have you ever considered something like Xanax? I understand it’s additive because I’ve fallen down that rabbit hole, but if you use it as a tool like you can alcohol but don’t abuse it, it can benefit you as well
Wish this platform would have invited a person who really understands what this phenomenon is and let them educate everyone. As bad as the incel culture is we have no one infiltrating their forums and trying to snap them out of that 'spell'. Great work really and appreciated but these guys need help for their sake, the sake of their families and everyone else's. Doctors, scientists, nurses, need these platforms to make there professions more appealing. Please please invite them in.
There is no spell to break. Most girls hate Indian guys like me unless they are old and overweight looking for a beta to provide money for them
Tried to watch the doc on All4 and it's currently not available?
Was about to say the same thing
you can watch it on Channel 4 Documentaries UA-cam page!
@@ceciliecerise Oh nice one, fantastic, thanks for that 🙂
its not brainwashing
if you experienced this sht first hand then you could agree its the truth
me for example ive had 2 girls leave me for better looking guys
when something like this happens to you over and over again it takes a toll
like you arent good enough no matter what
some guys just have it like this
it is what it is
😮💨
Respects for getting 2 girls in the first place. Never had any female friends my entire life, they despised me ever since kindergarden.
But yeah, first hand experience blackpills you more than any forum or video.
you are mogging me, foids dont even be friends with me
@@triangle0078 if u think getting both of your friends sloppy seconds is mogging..
but yeah that was over ten years ago in highschool social media wasnt as common
i guess having social circles was the key for me getting "success" even tho very short lived
now i know where i truly stand in the eye of females now
personal anecdotes are worthless evidence to make huge assumptions on. You had bad luck.
@@j.d.s.1837 You'll never please everyone so don't try to.
The link in the description says the episode isn't available?
you can watch it on Channel 4 Documentaries UA-cam page!
@@ceciliecerise thank you
On the subject of internet causing fewer places to go to get some sense of belonging, I actually think it's the opposite--the availability of places to go is far higher but they all happen to be online. The availability of places that promote this kind of life are far more easily accessible (free) when compared to traditional means of help. Further, these kinds of online communities also retain that level of anonimity that undoubtedly contributes and encourages to theis end.
Adults who don't work, whether self-employed or as employees, continue to face a crisis of connection. It used to be primarily retirees one thought of as having too much time on their hands and getting increasingly isolated and curmudgeonly. Now it's happening before these young men even start working, delayed development, failure to thrive.
I retired early, while still young enough to do pretty much anything I could ever do physically and mentally, but have still taken several years to fill my life with fulfilling activity. It's hard! It's that much harder when you've not yet developed practically useful skills to contribute to the world nor confidence in people wanting to interact with you. I feel for these young people. I can only imagine how painful it would be to go through what I did post retirement only with no money, no track record of success, and no useful skills in the economy. All they've got on their side is time, and to them even that feels more like a burden than a blessing. This is inspiring me to include a mention of getting outside and engaging the world in some way in all my online content going forward. If I could have one affect on people, I hope that it could be encouraging people to engage with life more.
no track record of sccess. "check" No usfull skills in teh econmy. "check" it sucks
@John Sampson If that's the only job you can get, take it. The main thing is to get something on your resume and have a reference who can vouch that you show up on time, don't cause trouble, and do the job you're hired to do. Without that, you're asking for too much of a chance to be taken on you, particularly if as you say you have poor social skills, which likely means you interview poorly. Which is another thing: I have Aspergers so it was always hard for me with social stuff, but I learned to mask well, at least for the single hour it takes to have an interview. I got so good at it that I later taught interviewing skills as a volunteer in a church program. If you don't even have Asp. then you can surely learn to perform effective interviewing even if on a daily basis you'd do better working solo.
On the identity stuff, don't get caught in that trap! The world is telling you that everything comes down to identity politics, but it's a lie. I have many times been the only person of my race on a job, many, many, many times! But I wouldn't have been if I'd looked around me and said to myself, "I must not be wanted here because no one else looks like me." Tell yourself the story you want to live. And consider picking the job and training for it, rather than waiting for a job to pick you. Focus on ones that don't require social skills perhaps, like stuff with data, machines, etc. Being a garbage man might actually be a good start, since you just work with machines and maybe a single co-worker, but any job will do. My first job was canvassing. It sucked! It's a completely social job. My first job after college was data entry. Also very low clout job, but at least all I had to do was focus on a computer all day. My work career started hard, but ended well, so no complaints. Hopefully you'll someday be able to say the same.
@John Sampson Have you ever been tested for Aspergers? So much of how you experience things is similar to how it was for me in the world of work. I'm so thankful that I eventually strung together enough 7 month jobs that I developed valuable work skills. Once I had skills I could start my own business, working from home. I think a lot of folks with Asp. really need remote work. The post-pandemic world may present more opportunities than ever before for that reason. Good luck! And happy Thanksgiving.
I think the internet, or rather people's inability to unplug from it, is the main thing that turns dudes into incels. Living online gives you a false sense of reality and you end up living in your head too much. Ive even seen dudes who had girlfriends and wives end up not only losing their partners but also losing their ability to find a new partner. Somewhere along the way they went from mature men to petulant boys. They slowly became really obnoxious and immature after plugging into the net and getting carried away with it. They also listen to men who have these sexist beliefs that isolate men from women and give them advice thats complete nonsense. If you wanna cure the incel problem start there. Because thats a big part of the problem
It's not viewable on the C4 webtsite - "No episode available to watch on demand"
you can watch it on Channel 4 Documentaries UA-cam page!
@@ceciliecerise huh how silly of them - their own site doesnt allow adblocks, they'd make more money that way haha! thanks I'll check it out
I think part of the issue is that they’re looking at dating and mating from a business transactional perspective. They’re not realizing that there is a level of reciprocity in that but it’s not a business market where you’re buying items. In dating and mating, you’re dealing with actual people and not objects. In order to deal with actual people, this is where social and emotional intelligence or at least a modicum of it is very imperative. Looking at people as objects to obtain for self satisfaction won’t get you to the goal.
The incel has to understand that the images that are portrayed on television, movies, and other means of entertainment are not reality based. The alpha male is not real. A woman will want to deal with you if she actually feels comfortable around you. Again, feels comfortable around you. If one goes around projecting hatred about women and giving off non verbal communication that’s awkward/off putting that’s part of the issue. A lot of these guys that they envy have taken “losses” too. Shoot, there’s prime time pimps and players out there who’ve been knocked for their women. That should give the incel perspective that their expectation in this regard is unrealistic.
With that, you have to actually be in social settings and places where the opposite sex is. The world is not going to stop spinning and coming to they’re room or basement. The world and life is happening outside of that. I’m willing to bet that if they actually got their social skills right and went into a cool social setting then they will likely find that there’s women that are checking them out.
This incel thing sounds like some mentalism spell being ran in them by predatory individuals who have a stake in having them as listeners and customers. The secret is that there is no magical secret to achieving this stuff. It’s all lies and bs. Do not fall for the spell.
@Boon2000 In a broad sense there's truth to that. In the proper context, the "transaction" is really just having a mutual love and respect for one another. Everything else connects from that and gives the relationship substance and longevity.
What these others are talking about is a literal transaction which is not rooted in love and mutual respect for one another. Its rooted in selfishness and objectifying the other partner as well as oneself. Quite a few people sadly fall into this particular category and wonder why their relationships always fail. You can't be self centered/selfish & seeking to dominate your partner if you want an actual loving and caring relationship. It will never work. We are human beings, not commodities to be owned and controlled.
There’s nothing wrong with incels
As long as they keep it to themselves...I agree
ok, incel.
Their faces are wrong according to nature and females
As long as they stay in their room jerking off. Sure. Sadly they also kill people every once in a while
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax I want their rage to spill all over the world
“Just go to gym bro”
Wow well first off Ben Zand is a really decent guy, evidently by the way he talks, what a heart to go and find these people, let them have a voice. i think the biggest part of the problem is that these people feel ignored and have become convinced they have no voice, no outlet to get second opinions and conspiracies debunked
second opinions = bluepilled bs
No he is a liar. I know some of the people he interviewed and he basically lied to them and made them out to be worse than they really are. The femcel, M, for example is actually a really sweet and kind young woman.
@@Rammspieler There are no femcels, there is no such thing as a woman that can't get laid. They can claim to be femcels all they want, they simply aren't.
@@Rammspieler how do you know? where's proof about M?
@@LunakieCherrie Because I know her?
The manospere is depressing and I worry for those who lose touch with reality.
Blackpill is reality
@@spec214get ‘em tell him brother
The whole incel thing seems like a self reinforcing cult
It’s a condition, not a cult. You might even be one without recognizing it.
@@xtdycxtfuv9353 'Condition'!? Nope. I'm definately no incel, happily married and been with the same woman nearly 20 years.
Still a mystery to me why UA-cam prompted me about this comment after 2 months though...
@@jodders619 You are then from a completely different generation. Zero perspective.
@@xtdycxtfuv9353 Some men have been awkward around women since time immemorial. When I was in my teens that was definately me. Did I ever bemoan my lot with the ladies when I was young? Of course I did. Did I ever assume that I had a right to sex or a relationship with a woman? Never. My first wife was a horrible person who made me feel worthless. It took some time to get over. I have physical scars from that relationship. The thing to remember about situations like that is that my first wife was one person, not an avatar for all women. Incel groups only seem to offer a chance to wallow in the misery of where things went wrong with no consideration of where change and improvement could occur. If people only ever tell themselves they'll fail it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. I'll freely admit it's a challenging 'habit of thought' to get out of but it's possible. Read widely, have opinions, have interests. Speak your opinions and things you've read, somebody may have a counter opinion or agree both are fine. Neither be an ogre or a doormat relationships will happen. Romantic ones? No guarantee. But being hostile and focused on the failings of women to recognise your uniqueness will 100% leave you lonely and isolated.
@@jodders619 It’s not awkwardness 🤦♀️ it’s about not being desirable to women and the effects of exogamy and, incidentally, hypergamy. Tinder and other Online dating apps reveal what has been suspected since the first incel became privy to it: only looks matter. This is more true the closer to twenty you are. At your age, looks are of much less importance for a relationship. But for the 2000’s crowd, this is very applicable. Unattractive guys get nothing, and if you happen to be repulsive, that’s just it; expect a life where you are socially isolated.
Incel groups, as you call it, are really just depressed and resentful men. That’s the majority, and they are regular in other aspects. I know somehow misogyny gets brought up, but it’s no more common in incel groups than in any other.
I had been an incel at various points in my life but I wasn't part of any online community or anything. It was just pretty rare when a woman would choose me. And no, I wasn't a hermit. I worked in the restaurant industry, acted in community theater, and did vocals for some really good bands for years. Truth is, people are going to go for the best they can get and when you're 5'7" and don't make much money, most women feel they can do better. It doesn't make them terrible and it doesn't make me terrible. It just is. And while I can understand the feelings of rejection these guys have, they aren't acting in good faith. I can't count the number of times I had women turn me down and sometimes very rudely (laughing, getting upset and cursing that only shrimps approach them, or stating they would if I wasn't so short) and how many dates I went on to find out it was just another night out by myself but that's just how it is. These guys "know" it will be a terrible experience so they refuse to act in good faith.
So, yeah, I get how it sucks to be rejected but until you've tried in good faith for years, it doesn't hold much weight.
Let me ask you this: if women already look at me with disgust and contempt, you think I'm going to even make the fucking effort to talk to them, let alone flirt and ask them out? You think I'm going to engage them if they don't even show any kind of interest in the first place? How's that supposed to work?
And yes, I did have my share of tries and it led me fucking nowhere but a darker and darker place. Failure after failure just grinded me down.
Lemme me guess, you're gonna tell me I didn't try hard enough won't ya? Just can't win with you motherfuckers. If your live is so damn nice why do you "care" about the struggles of others? Don't pretend to be empathetic to anyone's plight in life, you ain't.
@@metasequoia3097 Sorry But I won't tell you that you need to try harder. Nobody can use effort to make a woman physically attracted to them. It's impossible. The only thing that you can do is forget about them and enjoy life for the countless other things that it offers. Relationships are in no way the key to happiness. In fact, at least half the time, if not more, they are the key to utter misery.
Yeah I get that many relationships go down the gutter, often for the dumbest reasons, though I just can't accept that I will never have that kind of intimacy in my life.
Wish I could and just move on already.
Another big issue that I can't control is how I am always confronted with that fact of life whenever I am outside:
Couples, people kissing nonchalantly, sex-sells advertisement everywhere you go.
It's driving me nuts.
Apologies for my tone just then, by the way.
@@metasequoia3097 apology accepted. I know it's hard to believe but I do understand where you're coming from. Do you mind if I ask how old you are? I'm 50. Not that it means all too much but I have gained some wisdom over the years. I'm not going to tell you what you're going to hear from most people because what most people have to say is coming from a life in which they hadn't struggled with relationships.
@@NobodyCares6996 30, sir.
No idea what else to say in response, I'm kinda blanked out mentally.
And yes that's the truth, people like to give out "advice" which comes from pure confirmation bias (stuff like "if it works for me, it works for you!").
So, it appears you have actually been around in life?
Restaurant, theater, vocals in a band. That tells me you know your way around socializing and probably body language too. Makes me think, if I ever saw you in reality I probably couldn't tell how you struggle romantically.
It's alright for you Chad you can get anyone you want.
You should be ashamed of yourself 🤡
@@gatotcka5017 why you 👨❤️💋👨?
Cope and rope will always be a solution. You know that right? ❤
He can't, he literally can't.
@@Steve-kl3ylhis gf is a gorgeous award winning journalist
These men are prayed upon by mentally disturbed, narcissistic "destroyers". They transform the souls of the solitary into something dark.
I don't like the word Incel, it's too broad and fundamentally meant as a insult. I've seen trans and autistic people get called it because they struggle to find romantic partners or socially fit into groups.
Yeah they're incels then.
trans and autistic people arent misogynistic conspiracy twats, that's why incel kid.
Struggling to get a mate doesn’t make one an incel. It’s simply a case of having to reassess what one is doing to understand what may be hindering them.
I say that to say the incel crap is a fluke. It’s fake.
I mean the Incel to Trans pipeline does exist. A lot of this boils down self resentment and body dysmorphia. I've had a very deterministic view of life since I was diagnosed as Autistic. Only the fortunate can afford to belive in a just world.
chad ask why poor timmy deosnt have jawline
chad demands timmy grow taller
chad is confused when this deosnt work
guys you havent taken your daily 7 showers, thats the real secret
I found the documentarian’s manner frustrating. In truth for him it’s all about pursuing his ‘work’ getting the recognition and perpetuating his career and status. The world has become so shallow and despite his faux empathy he is part of what drives it. We now live in a world of, ‘hit the like button’, ‘please subscribe to my channel’ not to mention the pursuit of followers and manipulated selfies. TV and film makers continue to cast the most attractive people in the key roles. Rarely do we see those considered less attractive to have prominent and valid roles. I think rather than being dismissive of how ‘incels’ behave or how deluded their views may seem, we must seek to take their concerns seriously and actually seek ways to change how people are actually valued. Regardless of what anyone may claim here, attractiveness, extraordinary talent or wealth are overwhelmingly the only attributes given any credence in todays world.
"Regardless of what anyone may claim here, attractiveness, extraordinary talent or wealth are overwhelmingly the only attributes given any credence in today's world."
Nothing like burying the lead, eh? LOL XD
Seriously though, too right and much too real. THIS must change. Otherwise, we're screwed.
they shouldn't be taken even remotely seriously
@@AliDixon95 Why not? Would you be prepared to have a verbal convo about this too?
@@user-ks1hp2pb5gBetter question, why? Why would you take absolutely insane 'concerns' seriously? If they are mentally ill, that is a whole other issue. Why are you asking a pointless question?
@@BigBlack81 lol…perhaps I was bit over dramatic. I just think that if the problem is dismissed there will be further acts of violence that no one wants.
His view of woman accusing him of rape if he approaches her is actually reasonable. I think if you look a certain way as a male it just kind of throws woman off, so it's their instant defense.
A woman punched me once bfor saying hi to her
I've never understood the concept really though. Is Incel the ideology, in which case the ridicule is probably fair, or does it literally just refer to men who haven't been romantic or sexual with women, in which case it seems like punching down a little
It’s both but most of the time people mean the ideology
It’s both but most of the time people mean the ideology
It is a self imposed/selected name from those who espouse these extreme ideals and wallow in self pity, anger and a sense that the world owes them something, I agree that otherwise it would be punching down. I think in street parlance now people may use it as an insult against people who don't adhere to these ideas but find themselves in that situation which is a bit sad for them lol.
"punching down" is a bit of a silly term imo 😂 it only serves to curb discussion and prevent rationalisation and normalisation. But the definition of "Incel" mostly applies to the self-imposed definition of their own ideology. Of course, it's also used an insult as is the common result with definitions based on negative features.
You never heard of the phrase punching down?
Alright Chad
You're not bad yourself...😉
Pathetic
I think he is exaggerating the incels reaction to everything. 😂
you're an incel aren't you?
Most men are Incels in denial(80%), you coping and living in denial of this reality is simply a way to look away, ignorance is bliss. Beta buxing or jester maxing doesn’t exclude you from this inevitable truth.
Tinder is real life boyos
@@diyhandylapse9941 I asked out my Tinder crush irl and got attacked by eight men.
Joe is actually wicked these days...
its sad you have such an absolute and at the same time verry simplistic vieuw of this, there are alot of layers of gray and nuance in this, i think personally that incels are not all these extremist monsters its like saying all muslims are taliban... the truth is that looks are an important part of life there is no denieing this there is enough research around to prove this... is this justification for social isolation ? no ... but there is no denieing that we live in a society where your face mayby will not brake or make you but it will give you an unfair advantage or disadvantage in life and i certainly get why this could make you depressed when other things in your life arent going well either
High iq comment made by someone who can’t seem to spell correctly lol. Goes to show that some truths don’t require any education to understand.
The frustration boils down to envy. I'm aware is not others fault that I'm the way I look, or that somebody else got it better due to a genetic lottery. Is just hard to feel a point in working hard on yourself when others don't even need to struggle just cause of the fact they look better and are treated better from it. You say your face doesn't make or break you, but is easy to get fixated on it when others demean or praise you soley based on the first impression. I dont know if there is a solution to all this beyond trying to become more attractive, since I doubt the insecurity will go away by just telling myself it doesn't matter as much as I think.
Surprisingly great insight into the subject
You'd know?
@@hmq9052 No, that’s why it’s a good insight as I don’t know why these lads are so angry or why they are Incels. It seems part of being an Incel is trolling.
It’s actually a terrible report.
@@AJ-nl6qn nope this who doc is propaganda most of the people aren’t even incels. Goes to show how easy it is to fool normies jfl.
Its interesting, because Eliot Roger was convinced he was gods gift to women, yet incells frequently reference him..
No, he wasn't convinced he was. If he genuinely believed that, he would have been a serial dater rather than someone consumed with hate for women.
From the videos I've seen of Elliot Roger he did repeatedly say that he was very good looking, but expected solely that would attract women to throw themselves at him when he basically never tried to talk to any women due to lack of social skills or shyness or whatever. He was a great example of someone who was completely delusional about how dating and relationships work and became a monster
@@kronictonic elliot rodger was 5ft 6, ethnic and had the bone structure of a 12 year old. In his manifesto he complained that the only guys getting girls were tall, athletic football playing chads. His looks were the primary reason why girls hated him. The guy had zero sex appeal and no woman is physically attracted to a 5ft 6 skinny weak guy
@@dylanfrazer4429 there are plenty of accounts of his poor social skills. He used to physically attack couples out on dates (like throwing drinks on them). His personality was repugnant. His piss poor attitude towards women is why he was avoided by them
@@katiePetsy even with a good personality he wouldve struggled. He lived in california surrounded by tall chads
All it takes is to walk up to a girl, say hi, tell her a joke then ask her out. If she says no then move on to the next and repeat over and over until you have a date.
Talk to 23 women each night.
Within a month you'll have your first date.
Easy Peezy.
I always find that incels who blame women for the state of the dating scene... they filter out certain type of women too. How are you a 6 and expect to date a 9, realistically? They need to admit to themselves that they feel entitled to baddies, while they filter out women who are in the same league as them.
If ypu looked up at hypergamy you would not say thos ignorant statement.
@@villain205 I agree, I used to really struggle to attract women, I was probably a 6 or 7 in looks but a 1 or 2 in confidence and self esteem with women. I had to really put myself out there and talk to and approach women to get rid of the imposter syndrome I felt just for showing interest in women in found attractive.
Damn Zuckerberg has made us all so lonely, detatched and mentally ill.
Mocking mental health , your work is so good
Sorry, some of your commentary is deeply ignorant.
Thanks for no explanation why...🙄
ok, incel.
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax I charge 250€ per hour. Happy to explain.
It's not available on All 4 but I found it on UA-cam a very good documentary and the way you treated the guy when you took him out for an evening in Southampton was an eye opener and what a great young woman you happened to be sitting next to as well.
Could you please send me the link of the video you found on youtube cause i desprately wanna watch it and i cant find it.
Thank you
@@armitatavakoli9711 ua-cam.com/video/kReeoKoOvZI/v-deo.html here is the link.
@@ihavenoname4273 thank you.
If you found it here on YT, could you share the video code? (The part of the URL that comes after the YT website part). Thanks.
It's now available on 4OD so maybe I jumped the gun by a day However the YT link is ?v=kReeoKoOvZI on the C4 UA-cam site
Who’s running these sites then?
These people aren’t killing themselves but they’re encouraging their followers to do it.
There must be some way to track these scumbags down.
The whole thing is just depressing through and through. There is no point in pointing fingers at whose fault all of this is in my opinion. Wether you wanna blame the culture or the isolated indivuals themself it doesn't really matter. We are all to blame equally in the end. Maybe this seems a little bit too gloomy coming from me but it seems like this is a trend that is going to continue as we are entering a time in which fundamentally human connections are harder and harder to find. People like to make fun of Incels instead of looking deeper into what is going on. I feel allot of empathy for these people. I'm not trying to make myself seem like a saint but I sure as hell also don't wanna make fun of people who feel like they are nothing but a burden to the rest of the world. Its a sad world we live in.
The documentary was dishonest and heavily biased
ok incel. Incels are dishonest and heavily biased.
“Just reapply to life just get a job bro”
Empower yourself, make friends, create, dance, be yourself, be included, get support, discuss politics, don’t discuss politics, whoever you are, whatever background, whatever gender, release anger and aggression in a HC scene. X
I did all of that, I can't seem to be happy still
@@jasrajsandhu1658 thats because you always think about bubs and vegena
@@gatotcka5017 indian moment am I righ??? Huhuhuhubuhu, anyways, sex is the least of my concerns, putin better nuke the privledged and happy people in the west
@@gatotcka5017OW TF CAN YOU NOT WHEN YOUVE NEVER SUCCEEDED WITH WOMEN ANSWER ME YOU DIMWIT
it says it isn't available to watch :(
you can watch it on Channel 4 Documentaries UA-cam page!
These people need to watch Queer Eye for the Straight guy. No joke it would probable help a great many of them.
what about straight eye for the queer guy?
Why? I've watched a couple episodes but didn't really like it that much. How does it help?
I don't get what you mean....Oh now I do as I'm writing LOL. Yeah those guys can help straight guys with what they need to wear, how to talk to women etc.. You may have something there
Australia blocks this video where possible
Well Im not tall, have loads of freckles and even more when I was a kid, bullied a lot. But when I went to uni I realised , girls like to laugh and have fun so met loads of girls , married twice. Never had a problem with the ladies and I am no Brad Pit never was , I just don't gettit .
Are you trying to understand?
Whatever you say, boomer
@@painunending4610 Yeah..and said he doesn't understand how they get there when he is no oil painting, yet still picks up women and married twice.
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax you're also making no effort to understand.
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax her getting married to you doesn't mean she loves you/is attracted to you.
I am an incel
And you’re proud of that?
@@bornwithoutconsentobviously not any more
@@bornwithoutconsentobviously being an incel is not what we incels choose its what we're destined to be.
This is that a grifter podcaster looks like than an actual journalist
I hate being a currycel
Every time a man looks at me I scream "help" as loudly as I can. For some reason, my husband, brothers & colleagues seem to dislike this but obviously all women hate all men so this is what we all do...🙄🙄🙄🙄 Where do they get these ideas from? Do they literally never leave their house? Don't they have Mums, aunts sisters? Don't tell them my best friend is a man: their heads will explode. 💥
No, you just ignore the 80% of men you deem unattractive.
@@j.d.s.1837 I married my husband because he is a good honest, kind hardworking man. For me personally finding someone who liked me for the right reasons was a challenge. He treats me well & we've been together for nearly twenty years. He is type 1 diabetic and overweight now too, yet we remain married. Beauty is only skin deep. You need to get help. See a psychiatrist. Women aren't going to want to go anywhere near someone with extreme views who hates them now are they? Have you ever asked your Mum how she chose your Dad? Ever actually talked to your aunts/cousins/sisters? You must have women in your life surely? Do you really think they are only interested in men who look a certain way? #getalife
@@fenlandwildlifeclips You don't ask people, you look at what they do. Actions speak louder than words. If I were to ask any female she would repeat the same old pattern you did. "Muhhh personality ...." and so on.
But if you look at their actions, it differs. They all married guys taller than them. They all married guys who were decently attractive, like 7/10 or 8/10.
But you gotta see: You left the dating market (at least I hope so) when you marries your man. That means you haven't lived through the technological progress done in one decade (2010 - 2020). In 20 years, from 2000 to 2020 the dating market has gone insane. In 2008 about 8% of men were in/cels. Now it's 28% closing in on 30%. You lived in a time where people were in a small village and only had like 20 or 30 peers to choose from. Now its a global market with global competition. That leads, as we know in economy, to a few global players who monopolize the good. Same thing happened here.
It's just that only men complain because females ARE the monopoly, they are the only suppliers of intimacy globalization has led to that realization for all females. Now they can raise the price (required looks) without losing any customers (men) as there are 0/nada/null substitutes for the good (intimacy).
Do you get why I'm frustrated?
@@j.d.s.1837 I haven't got time for this. You have two option 1) Speak to real women & get psychiatric help or 2) Carry on being radicalised by online idiots. It's your life. You chose.
@@j.d.s.1837 Touch grass lol
I would find it very difficult without my church community in terms of building great relationships, especially when moving countries etc.
Yeah these people need literally any in-person community.
@@Jay_Johnsonno
Great video. Something I would like to add to the discussion around incels is that underlying problem of incels is the economy. It's been known for over 100 years now that as inflation increases the amount of sex people are having decreases. This is because it becomes more expensive to raise a child and thus much more dangerous for women to have an unplanned pregnancy which I believe is the real cause of what incels call hypergamy. Because of the economy it's much more expensive to socialise since our culture is based around consumerism and thus people are socialising less. Also parents are forced to more locate time and attention away from their children and more into earning money due to this the state has basically become the step in parent for a lot of children the problem here is that important skills such as socialising aren't taught in schools.
Shut up
@@gggg-ow8jv why?
@@laminmbye-prior7147 You don't understand anything, you think you have it all figured out with your dumb economy example
@@gggg-ow8jv what is it then?
@@laminmbye-prior7147 The simple solution is women have too many rights and not enough responsibility in society. But thats just a macro thing, the immediate problems incels face are looks, race, height etc.
Working in Mental health I see the producers and narrator actually mocking their subject
Really quite average doco
Hollyoaks are doing a storyline on this now with Eric… quite shocking really. I didn’t know what an incel was until I saw that
Funny that, channel 4 got something to say huh. Fkin propagandists
Femcel documentary when?
Yes please. Femcel Lives Matter!!
Was it Boris?
This is the problem... This world view only supplied through the internet where you have these so cold " business men" or "entrepreneurs" like Fat and Foolish or Andrew Taint even though anyone with some common sense can see there scam artists... The real world is filled with so many kinds of people you have your 9 to 5s, cops, chefs, gangsters, people who live on the open road, people who have been across the entire world, people who have so many stories and life styles it's impossible to mention them all... And seeing people talk about things like " the war between genders" is ridiculous to most people which is why when people say this kind of stuff is getting more traction on the internet and we need to worry I heavily disagree... Yes lots of people who spent most of there time on the internet have these incorrect views and we know there incorrect, because it's factually incorrect you cannot say there true... But once again from people who don't have very much to do with the real world... In every day life most people and when I say most I mean 90 percent or more don't care about gender, race and so on... I've lived in many countries and have traveled a lot throughout my life and the incel world view is extremely rare and I've seen only one of them in real life and they weren't even an incel they has some sexist views, but that was it.
Edit: also this specific gentlemen seemed have a lot of mental illness and the whole video game thing from the lady was also very sad I hope they do better
Shut up
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Most people are living there lives and not focused on this fake online social media gender war crap.
This is the most I've ever heard about incels. And this is far more insane than I ever thought.
Smashing their face in with a hammer to improve their looks?
That's all you took away from this? The most extreme outliers?
@@johnmilius3031 hey if they want to solve ince/dom they should just legalize euthanasia globally
so many of us never stood a chance😮💨
they dont want us here anyways as you can see by their aggressive and dismissive behavior towards us
"problems arent problems until they show up at your front door"
The documentary was dishonest and framed the people involved
I've been an observer of the community and the broader manosphere for years. I've never seen hitting yourself with a hammer being promoted once, I have no idea where they found this guy. Looksmaxxing usually refers to going to the gym and doing the usual things you'd expect to be recommended to do to improve your appearance. The documentary clearly only featured extremes and intended to shock rather than inform.
Bonesmashing is an injoke.
Try going out with one for years.
That femcel is a scary.
It literally gives women zero credit it's just like we are shallow sex obsessed blow up dolls. What do these guys think they came out of? If they're no oil painting how did their parents do it? Basic questions are just not asked.
A simple metric of a good looking man’s dating app profile who happens to be 6’3 shows this to be true
@@harsh3948 what are you saying here? Dating apps aren't the real world, most people aren't meeting through dating apps, their out meeting through friends or in the physical world...
@@heroicheretic2619 I bet Amazon isn’t also ‘real shopping’ and it won’t affect the marketplace
Why do women reject so many men nowadays is the only question which should be asked.
@@harsh3948 Based
Do these guys not have fathers or father figures to tell them about how to attract women
boomer advices are useless it's looks looks and looks
Really fascinating and depressing. I'll most likely check out the documentary. I do wish though that Ben would leave out the remarks about his view of the "attractiveness" of the people he met. You can't have a solution to this cult that only works for people who are actually not bad looking, in his eyes.
Had no idea about incels and how the interviewee connects with mental health instead of judging and trying to bring out into light to help and make aware to outside world. When we loose our focus from Jesus and meditating on BIBLE. Fear of many things from the world creeps in.
Thanks for making it aware without judging.
It is on the bridge of bigger problem for this generation.
The bible is nothing but fables
You have feminism to blame for this. Let's give them a round of applause. 👏👏
Is the civil rights movement to blame for growing white supremacy in the west? Blaming an equal rights movement on worsening gender/racial/etc relations makes no sense. Conflict arises because previous structures of power are being threatened, and those in power begin to feel powerless in when they are taken down from that place of privilege.
I know it's like women are allowed bank accounts without a male with them! The audacity
@@ellaverte2333 Well, women have lied about finding me attractive, so...🤷♂️
@@tprice1735 like pretending you are?
@@ellaverte2333 Yes. They do this to unattractive guys for "fun".
2:56 wow he is butchering this looool
There are so many threads in our society nowadays. All these incels should be under dense control. I am glad that NSA has the instruments to deal with it.
Fascist tendencies showing there bruh
Most incels are completely harmless jfl. The vast majority of people who commit violence are extroverted males who have an abundance of sexual partners.
@@SammmmM12413 source?
showing to be very effective LOL XD
Because the NSA totally cares about some random virgin males lmao.
Just another youtuber trying to gain popularity by shaming a group of marginalized men.
Please do a documentary on the Far Right in Britain
And allll of this is on women's heads to carry. You cross the wrong one at the wrong time, and it's your death or maiming. But go on, let's hear once more about the dire need for "men's rights." Someone says, I'm being hunted and slaughtered, and the response is, but what about *my* rights".
"You cross the wrong one at the wrong time, and it's your death or maiming" This happens to anyone regardless of gender, welcome to the real world you can thank me later
@@morgannyan2738 Just fyi, when you leave comments like this, all you're doing is picking up a mic and announcing to the world that you're 1) young, 2) male, 3) haven't got a clue what's going on around you, but (∞→), you have a keyboard.
@@ninsuhnrey youre right i apologize for being born young and male, i forgot 50% of the population isnt allowed to "pick up the mic" and have their voice heard, some would say thats being sexist and ageist but not you right?
@@morgannyan2738 OP's right you don't know what's going on.
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax cope
It should be noted most sex for most people most of the time is solo sex. Applies to men, women, hot and not, in relationships and out
❤️❤️❤️👌🏾
The Contrapoints "Men" video is also good on this
Generally much better really. But then Contrapoints always sets a high bar.
yeah a mtf sure knows about ince/s LOL
@@beganitdidnt6535 Clearly you Don't Bwahahahahhahhahahahhah...Tell us how you'll fix the problem. You won't and can't. Transphobic won't help you either with that smug ("real" women or men know better than someone that has been both) remark. Which is funny as they know first hand what it's like to be both genders. Stay bigoted though. Incels will love you for it.
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax there are way less ftms than mtfs for a reason
@@beganitdidnt6535 That means nothing LOL. Doesn't change a fact of what I wrote. You'd STILL do nothing to fix it. You won't even try because you have no idea how to even start.
A then become 1
Incel Snuff Movies?
WOKEY COKEY
3.16
Women have a lot to answer for.
Project much???
@@sharonberry410 Indeed.
@@LeonCoyne Stop blaming women for patriarchy.
@@sharonberry410 The Patriarchy is a great thing, I'm 40 now and the trouble is I've never met a good woman, do they even exist?
No we don't. We make our own choices and we choose not to get with sexist immature guys with a sense of entitlement, backwards views, and an attitude problem. You're not entitled to squat, we don't owe you anything and we don't have to answer for anything. We can do what we want and who we want. Accept it
I'd rather cut to the controversial nub of the issue: "Women do not owe you sex". There is an amusing correlate to this which I find is usefully phrased as so:
A. Men tend to prefer capitalism in the market of resources and socialism in the market of sex.
B. Women tend to prefer socialism in the market of resources and capitalism in the market of sex.
Given men as a group are net tax contributors and women as a group are net tax deficits (can I stick links in this?) - an uncomfortable mirror issue reveals itself:
"Men do not owe you money."
The demands of socialism are extremely similar to incel ideology: There is considered to be an imbalance where some people end up with nothing and some people seem to end up with everything - the obvious capitalist response is:
Sort out your bad attitude - the system works fine.
To which a socialist says: No the system is unfair, and authority should by force re-allocate resources to those who aren't getting a sufficient amount from those who are successful at it in the free market.
This is the exact same mentality as the incel: Rather than sorting out their bad attitude, a socialist blames the system and says things should be re-allocated so they can win even when they're losers.
The logic is inescapable - incels are a product of leftism as well.
Socialism is the ownership of the means of production by those who use it to produce value. People should own their own bodies. Neither Socialism and Capitalism relates to sex outside of the realm of sex work. Your comment portrays a really unhealthy transactionary view of sex.
@@Jay_Johnson thank you.
Seriously!!!
@@Jay_Johnson Yes interestingly enough it's in vogue at the moment for the left to be pro sex work - but somehow I'm the one with the unhealthy "transactionary" [sic] view of sex? Unpack that one for me - bearing in mind you're basically doing good is good as long as I can stick in as many ad hoc clauses as I like?
@@Jay_Johnson And don't get me wrong I think both sorts are contemptible losers: Seize the means of production / reproduction - it's the same f-ing thing, you're forcing someone to do "sex work" or "work" for you because you have a bad attitude to sorting yourself out.
Hated this guy, dude tried to assert moral superiority in his so called 'documentary' by lambasting a guy who made a song to creatively express why shooters commit mass shootings. Ironically he was the type of guy that propagates the extreme actions of incels by demeaning them in any way possible with his condescending/ignorant attitude.
Blah blah blah get to the point I don’t like you talking a lot
WOKEY COKEY