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Thanks for this.🤪🤪🤪 I now know I can pay trades people so much less than I thought I had to 🤪🤪🤪. All I know is that Artisan prices must be out of this world because 😅when I've asked Artisan for a quote all I get told is too piss off because you don't cover Oxfordshire...
Hi Jordan, great video, could you please do a video on how to price jobs under different conditions? For example, maintenance contracts vs call outs vs normal jobs thanks 👍
As a previous builder, I used to do it all, no matter the weather, conditions or job. I would charge £250 a day. Started at £150. But had to buy shit loads of good tools regularly, fund materials, pay young lad every day. Loved it, then had a stroke, fell off can roof, pulled out shoulder and now 6 years on shit for luck degenerative disc disease, sends pains all over my body. Looking back I'd jump at building again. But if you read to bottom I could have died having a stroke, so think myself lucky.
Can you explain why you got a stroke? Was it because of eating too much, drinking alcohol or smoking? Ppl who are in physical jobs should be less likely to get these issues compared to ppl who work in an office.
The biggest issue is 10years ago £33k was a really good wage, but now with inflation and everything going up minimum wage is catching up it makes £33k feel like £25k 10 years ago
The hours a shit mate. No social life nothing. You will have 3 am starts always bound to living near a train station most likely driving an hour a day to work to get to the stations. Sleep is fucked. If you can handle that then go for it competition is insane for it just for the money
As someone who has lived and worked in the United States - that 30% increase in pay is soon swallowed up by the difference in the cost of living in the USA. Of course, it depends where in the US you live and work but I know where I lived, in Connecticut, I'd have to be earning close to 60% more than what I did in the UK to have the same standard of living. (CT is a relatively expensive place to live)
I would imagine scaffolders and bricklayers are the highest paid because of the toll it takes on your body not many bricklayers are particularly good at walking by the age of 60 being an electrician is pretty cushty provided your safe ofc
All building trades earn morn than the motortrade. I'm a high voltage trained vehicle technician. Working on 400v dc batteries. That's live working too. Vehicles have changed so much in my 27 year career. We have to buy our own tools. Constantly train for less. Most of our salary is based on target earnings that are unachievable.
NHS is a shambles. There are some good staff who actually care for people and put there all in. They should be paid more. But majority of them are just people who go to work and get paid. Clock out and forget about there patience on ward and just read the notes the next day.
True but they have clear job progression, can get up to higher bands on very competitive salaries, overtime pay, OOH pay increase.. job security and an unmatched pension.. it's not bad lol.
There are some other routes - my nephew is going into the forces to train as a medic and as part of that he could specialise as a paramedic, and he'd have a straight shot into the ambulance service when he leaves, should he want to. Of course, the caveat is you have to be willing to join the forces, but you get paid (even if not especially well) to learn, rather than the hideous cost of gaining a degree.
@stevepettifer4896 as a CMT you have to do further training after leaving the forces in order to work as a paramedic. But at least u don't have to go and do a degree
I didn't realise you guys are from Cambridge (Just down the Busway from me). Don't know why your videos turned up in my feel but I've watched a load now and been enjoying them.
I’m a free market kind of person but I do think technical trades need to be regulated with a tiered licensing system to represent technical competencies, experience and ongoing cpd. We also need to get away from the ‘failed at school so get a trade’ mentality. We need to attract genuinely smart people to the trades and lift the standard.
I have been an electrician 38 years, wages have always gone up and down with the economy. In the early 1990`s there was just no electrical work around and wages were low. . Then Part P arrived and more regulation which really in the initial stages improved earnings. The late 1990`s up to about 2018 were really good. The last 2 - 4 years have got really difficult, costs to run the business have sky rocketed. tools, regulation, vehicle cost and insurance. There does seem a race to the bottom at the moment. Just to note I am only a sole trader and work from home but some prices I see people charge are just so low. I just don`t know how they do it. I can only suspect they use part qualified staff and a senior engineer signs it off.
Well in Australia they work to live , in the UK YOU LIVE TO WORK ,SLAVE LABOUR . That is the system . All ways has been and all ways will be . Started work in 1964 Apprentice £2-9 shillings a week ,1969 Sparks £20 for 40 hours ,15 hours a week over time @ time and a half . 2.4 kids a mortgage a car , the wife had to have a part time job and you were making head way . 1994 working on price work a gang of 3 of us , on steel tube work , tray , trunking , wiring and second fix , £1,250 a week each . That set the price for the next 10 years until another direction took over ready for retirement . I once read an article in an investment magazine on building costs ,around 1992 , an one owner of a large London electrical company , stated , is it not a shame that electricians have to have all the knowledge and we only pay them peanuts and basically it is a licence to print money for the company . So heads down lads arse up , as long as the shit is below your arm pits ? the mouth is clear to eat more doughnuts .Great fun along the way . Best of luck . 🤔😉👍👍
Electricians can work well into retirement age. Scaffolders cannot. I know a former scaffolder who is now in telesales earning a lot less because the job wore their body out. The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long.
Scaffolding literally the lowest skill ceiling out of every trade nearly unless you’re doing specialised stuff all you need is an impact and a boat level
The disparity in pay between the UK and other nations can be traced back to the overall stagnation in wages in the UK vs most of the rest of the G20. Since 2008, wages in the UK have effectively remained the same, whereas cost of living / inflation have significantly changed. This has not been the case globally. The wage disparity is not unique to trades, however it does reflect how badly the UK economy has performed since the 2008 crash. Effectively it has not recovered.
In the first year after we complete our apprenticeship in switzerland we get a minimum of 4800 CHF (4264£) per month and after a year the minimum ist like 500 CHF more. And it's all regulated in the GAV(collective labour agreement ) of the of the electrical trades. Those numbers in the video seem crazy to me.
The rates of individual traders are regulated by agreements? If only that was the case here. Switzerland does also have a much higher cost of living than other European neighbours.
The problem here is not which trade is worth more than the other, the real issue is that NO trades earn what they are worth and the UK has always i repeat always had an issue with valuing our trades, so city slickers or train drivers on 60-100K a year for sitting on their arse or losing a couple of million on the markets will baulk at paying a couple of hundred a day for a good tradesman go figure!
As someone who sits behind a desk on excel all day and gets paid way more than a sparky I have to say that the one who's paying your salary ultimately decides your salary If you expect homeowners or renters who earn 30 odd grand to be paying for your services, how can you expect to get paid 60/70k a year assuming a 40 hour work week?
Just as well you don't live in the USA. Imagine you needed a brain donor to donate you his brain, then you insisted the brain surgeon was out of order for earning a 700,000 bucks a year. Professional jobs cost money and it's not just the guys time, it's the entire toolkit he's had to build up to do the job. Electricians require a few thousand quids worth of tools and a van to transport them in. They'll require insurance. All that has to be paid for by you and the homeowners on 30k a year otherwise, no van, no tools, no electricians. That lorry driver who delivered something for you, you're not just paying for his time, you're paying for the loan he took out to buy his lorry, for the fuel, for the insurance, for all the taxes and for the depreciation so when that lorry is fucked he can replace it. Fed up of people thinking it's just about one blokes hourly rate when there's so much more cost involved running a business.
@@captainwin6333 looks like you answered your own question, the surgeon is paid by the insurance company, it's why they can get paid like that I actually got my house rewired recently for 7k and I didn't challenge it, but if that's more than a 1/3 of your take home pay for the year, how do you expect the average Joe to pay for it? I'd rather you answer that than tell me about the costs involved of running a business
You can't. The key is to not have average to low earners as your entire customer base. Yes, as part of the mix and for consistency of work. Area dependant to an extent, but there are a lot of people who are quite well off for whatever reason and looking for quality people to carry out work in their homes and businesses, prepared to pay more than these cheap and dirty rates we're reading about here. When you happen upon these customers, treat them very well with A1 service and they'll look after you too. It's worked for me.
@@Jacks_Place that was a mistake the electrician I used made, reckon he's dealt with shitty customers in the past He forgot to include bonding in the quote and wanted £100 for it, was 20cm from the board and for that I won't be using him again for future works
@@Jacks_Place that's the mistake my electrician made, he forgot to include gas bonding in the quote and wanted £100 extra for it, it was 20cm from the board Granted he's probably used to shitty customers but that has cost him thousands in future work I wanted done
What annoys me is people who complain about the cost of a decent trade but are quite happy to pay more for a piece of technology or whatever. Why are IT bods paid stupid amounts of money but a trade is seen a lower class?
@@NickMayhew-x3uI assumed that it would be similar for brickies - it's a physically demanding job so the wear and tear on the tradie is pretty high and could be time-limiting, and that is why they're one of the highest paid (on average).
Not only is the pay lower than it should be but you add onto that the amount of downtime that can happen when other trades are delayed or just those times where work slows down.
With scaffolds the customer can see that they are paying for - with electricians and plumbers most of the time the customer can’t see or understand what we’ve done so it seems to be worth less to them. One job I was on the customer asked a plumber to move a radiator he said £750 and they said ok that’s fine - then she asked me to swap the consumer unit I said about £800 and she said wow you’re joking aren’t you they are only £50 in Screwfix 😂
Also don't forget trades have to move from job to job , prices are highly competitive and weather often influences wether work can continue. Other professionals are often rooted to one area and weather, competition is not as difficult.
Definitely machinist (not sewing but engineering) is the worst paid trade, dealing with metals that have lead content, dirty air filled with coolant, risk of death if you make a mistake, and the lives of others are in your hands if you make parts for planes or similar industries, the maths involved are more complicated than sizing cables and the average pay is £13 an hour right now. After a four year apprenticeship I was making £9.83 an hour 10 years ago and making parts for aircraft in 2017 I was making £14.5 an hour.
In my experience the smaller businesses charge too much but the ones on PAYE get paid just right . There are no paupers in sparkies .Artisan think they are extra special when they price jobs . They would get no work up north
Get in the lift business, after income tax and all I end up with about 60k for an average 30 weeks work and 40h a week. Why work more than you need to.
So, once someone told me. When client has spent his money? They first go to ground! And as soon as build progress there is less in pot. I know builders takes 300 home a day. And they cover everything (comes with price) then you see quality (questionable) but they can do all. London area
Am self employed. 150-170 /per day.. mostly domestic and full renovations.. i commute with a (fast🤫)ebike and a large motorcycle backpack... No travel costs(insurance/petrol/tax/parking).. get materials delivered.. and have the luxury of not getting caught in traffic.. which means that i can get to more jobs in a day... Not ideal for carrying multiple DeWalt packs😅... But forces me to plan jobs better only taking needed tools... And then again i can always jump on the train (folded ebike). So at the moment Electrician wages are good for me.. but definitely they are too low for the average electrician and their expenses.
@@Walktheline1991Well I'd better hand in my certificates then and work as a general handyman! 🙃 To be fair I am a single parent so I don't really do full days.. but the work I carry out amounts to a day's work .. pricing versus Hourly rate.. still trying to find my way... But here in NW London... This is generally the low end of electrical quotes... And still get people's asking for lower price 🙄.
Mechanical engineers who serve 4 - 7 year apprenticeships earn £30,000 pa - they are the dudes you see covered in grease and oil with a finger or 2 missing. They have to work 20 years before they get anywhere near £50,000. Everyone is underpaid in the UK except diversity managers in the NHS. Have a look at any of the large employment websites and you would struggle to find much these days over £40,000 pa. This is what happens when you flood the market with cheap labour for decades.
I am a certified electrician working for a company in Cyprus,electrician’s salary’s here are about €70-€100 per day considering you have a good amount of experience in the field
@@artisanelectrics yes it is,and prices of everyday goods and rents are sky high,I’ve been to London for holidays in 2019 and I am sure the prices today are about the same here
Hi Jordan in Ireland at the moment we are crying out for trades persons. I'm a sparks working for a company and I'm earning €26.50 an hour which is worth more in pounds sterling. 25 years ago I worked in London and money then was much better than in Ireland. How times change. But our union in Ireland fought for better pay. Love your vlogs
I live in South Australia last week I paid $180 for a ceiling fan to be installed, job took 1hr cash. We have iron ore near trades work 12hrs 7 day shift week off 7 days night shift, followed by 7 days off. Plus 5 weeks holidays plus 7 sick days a year, My grandson Fabweleder gets about before tax a year &130000 working less than 6 months a year. The electrician who installed my fan also works out at the mine, so on his off week he works for himself around the place.
As you said , when you start to quote for your good quality job , sometimes its really hard to beat that dave from the pub changing a fuse board for 350£ including materials 😂
The Australia rates at 50 dollars an hour will be FIFI rates , fly in fly out , you work in a mine 12 hour days and you live in a prision camp with shit food , it’s not as good as they make it out to be , the US. Rates will have no health care , holidays or sick pay ect , so it’s not all apples for apples , have you made the move to sparky abroad ? My guess is by most of the backgrounds used that’s mostly filmed in France ?
True. It's about supply and demand. That's why commercial gas engineers can change job monthly if they like and get paid well just to show up. Shortage of them for the time being. Yet I do hear of companies struggling to get sparkys but it's because they want good ones for peanuts.
Lets be honest the industry and the government shafted us 17 yrs ago by joining the EU, I saw jobs advertised in 09 for a fully loadedspark for £9 ph. When the industry decided that improvers could do the same job under instruction as sparks then it mangled us for over a decade, our rates have only just gone up to a fairly decent rate. But underpaid and undervalued still absolutely.
It's all well and good saying an electrician should find the customers willing to pay for a top quality service, but as a "Customer" it's a bloody minefield trying to find any decent trades person who actually cares enough to do a good job that warrants paying slightly more.
When i started my apprenticeship in 1973 the electrical trade was the highest paid i think it should go back to that situation again the building trade is hard but there are more risks and danger in i would say in the gas and electrical trades.
@justinaszvirblis6950 31.25 times 8hrs =250 for simplicity I said £30+ all trades should be starting as least £20+ per hr but the sad reality as highlighted the above video most don't get the compensation they deserve.
You would have to look at the average pay across all jobs abroad and dont forget you have more expenses and have to have health insurance and no state pension etc
You say it takes years to train & get experience. Not to knock the trade or anything...but if you are committed & crucially remove all the bs tea runs etc, you can get up to a really good standard from 0 in about 6 months. & that's i'd say for the average person. If you're talented it could be 3 months.
I specialise in fire and security. Admittedly I'm self employed but i wouldn't get ouf of bed for even a scaffolders day Rate... I charge more than that for my apprentice
Going by my recent quote for an EV charger that is £1300 which I worked out parts were £700 that’s a nice few hours earnings in my book. By your thumbnail I didn’t realise you get paid in dollars as well truly international 😂
Started my level 2 electric and now I've got the ticket I'll stop there and continue as a commercial gas engineer as it just not worth the headache going all the way.
@@coachingconfidant2785 I've not been an electrician nor bricklayer. I've done a basic bricklayers day course, but recently was told that they are in high demand. Unless I was self employed there is no way I would do either job. It doesn't pay enough money for it to be worth it. Electrician is the worse for qualifications needed and amount paid. Can cost 6-9k to become one. Personally if I could go back in time I would still become a gas man then get to commercial as quickly as possible. AC or BMS engineer is another good route. AC, fgas is quick and cheap. Recently paid 1.4k to get fgas. AC you can learn on job quickly with mentor and UA-cam. Bms can be learnt on job and no official qualifications are required. In house training from suppliers like trend, tend to be adequate. Employed as commercial gas engineer you can make 65-80k in London if you're willing to do out of hours work. AC you can make 50-65k. BMS 50-80k. I recently made a vidio on the different trades, qualifications and average earnings. Regarding job satisfaction. I think this depends on what you want from your career. I get good job satisfaction. Worked in some amazing locations, seen some of the most important buildings in the world. Learnt other trades whilst doing gas. Have worked 4 day week shifts 8-4pm door to door. Currently only work in uk for 6 months and live abroad for several then return. There's always good money and pay waiting when I return. Been blessed. Hope that answers your question.
Depend what you mean by electrician Income always is depend on knowledges and experience Not paper. It range from 30 k to 350k in uk Depend on knowledge Or even more Working for company will not make you earn a lot But yourself if you have a experience and knowledge plus Bussiness understanding Then figure change and is depend on your understanding of market And Bussiness Managment I know peopel who tried become electrician and went to Collge too got paper too but has no saving I also know Romanian guy who came to uk and study and worked hard In 10 years of focus and hard work He build 2 million £ turning Bussiness and employed many electrician working for him So depend on you How hard you try and how hungry you are for success How much you are willing to do to build successful Bussiness It all take time hard work and not giving up on failures With Continuation of hard work and study seeking knowledge can become Millionair on this trade All up to you how much money you want Simple But slave market of electricians are between 30 to 70k in uk Depend on knowledge And experience
We get the terminology wrong. When an employed person looks at their wage slip what they get 'paid' is what they see as their net income. When a self employed tradesperson gets 'paid' their hourly or daily rate includes all the expenses of running the business: Tools, van, materials, travel costs, other business costs (premises, mobile phone, office, accountant, etc.) sick pay, holiday pay, pension and, oh yes, a wage. Perhaps quotations should show, business costs, material costs and 'wages' as seperate items and then maybe customers wouldn't consider that they're being 'ripped off' ? 😣😣
I earned more in the 70s/80s/ 90s up to 2020 when I retired. ..in the late 70s I was getting 20 pounds a hour. 80s more by the 90s 50 a hour by the time I retired I was on 220 a day sometimes more it depends on the job. And were you work .. I worked in London , but worked in Germany , France , and Spain on decent contracts , I also had my own company . I worked for kitchen company’s , builders , shops , banks etc I done ok but you need luck as well … I had my fair share … I can now sit back and enjoy myself … would I do it again. Defo …
There is no such thing as a Gas engineer, there are maybe mechanical or electrical engineers who work servicing gas boilers, but they are not gas engineers, and they aren't engineers unless they have a recognised degree in engineering
@@papatango5085 is dangerous because he need to make sure all that scaffolding is is safe. the engineer is responsible for everybody life , in case is a issue the building is going down., the engineer is responsible.
There are electricians and there are dabblers who advertise as electricians. When I trained it took five years to get to the technician grade. i.e. Electrician, Approved Electrician & the 'C' Course for Electrical Technician.
Who’s the joker in Australia 😂😂😂😂 I don’t know anyone working for less then 50aud unlicensed also £20-25 agency in uk is standard commercial/industrial. Eu pharmaceutical is £37-47 n hr minimum
Genuine question and excuse my ignorance, but why are bricklayers on so much money? What skills is required apart from being physically abled person and what hazard or risk do their jobs pose? Just a bit shock is all and im genuinely curious
Paid by the brick essentially, the more experienced and skilled you get the more bricks you can lay in a day. While it's not as nuanced and regulated as electrician work there's still a lot of skill and knowledge required to do it well, all trades can seem pretty basic if you boil them down to their component parts (brickies just stick bricks together, carpenters just hack up wood and screw it together, electricians just join wires together, plumbers just glue pipes together etc.). It's bloody hard graft though, absolutely wrecks your body and you can't do it forever. Risks are the same as builders really, heights, falls, exhaustion, injury, getting mangled by machinery, getting your head caved in or generally crushed and concrete is awful for the skin and lungs long term, all the usual fun of the building site.
Problem is it seems like electricians are willing to work for nothing which drags everyone’s rates down as well. Social media is a killer so many on you tube showing exactly how to do a job and costings and that’s what everyone goes by
No - woodworker / cabinetmakers are. While there isn't as much regulation, time is always the biggest factor and there are few woodworkers that can command the thousands of pounds for bespoke furniture when every tightwad and his wife keep saying "we can get a real wood dining table at oak furnitureland for £300, I'm not paying you £2000 for one" - sure, if you don't mind a table being made of sections of offcuts, with shit joinery and an unhealthy dose of woodworm as a free gift (which happens a LOT). The days of people buying the best furniture they can afford, to last a LIFETIME are long gone. People can't do without sparkies or plumbers, but they CAN do without woodworkers - we are a dying breed.
Where the safety and health of you and your family are at stake shopping for a cheap doctor, electrician, water and gas plumber, builder. If a doctor fails you, you can be very screwed immediately, if nan electrician or gas fitter makes a mistake, that can be life threatening to more than just you immediately or into the future. you'd want your house not to be poorly built so it needs re-doing in the future and so on. If you go with the cheapest price in one of the trades that can have health and safety concerns for you and your family, you'd have to ask what corners are being cut that could bite you in the present or future especially if they have priced so low to get work because they aren't as good at their trade as the more reasonable priced tradie. If you get a good tradesmen at a cheap price because they have to make a living wage they to will be rushed and that will bring the quality down. If an above board standard of pricing for standard job was set so all health, safety and legal concerns were protected from short cuts, the clients could be more focused on the quality of the install and service and not worried about any hidden dangers. Any tradesmen who aren't up to the standard will have to improve or work will dry up because they can't under charge.
I know some rubbish contractors who do eicr for £25 for 2. Bedroom flat and lying to the clients that ccu must be replaced because it’s made of plastic.
@@Electric-First ive worked with guys that would c2 lights for no rcd even though it was 17th edition or earlier installs, some people should not be doing eicrs
All tradesmen need to understand their worth, and Stop charging such poor rates for there time, day rates are shocking throughout the construction industry been the same for a decade, due to undercutting. Need more clarity in rates and tradesmen working together in pricing structures to make sure we all make more money. With the skills and experience we have this shouldn’t even be a topic!
American sparkies earn roughly double what UK sparkies earn but the cost of living in America is double . $3 for a gallon of fuel , $9 for a box of cereal it’s expensive.
Having worked in America myself the cost of healthcare is a major factor. Yes you can get insurance but whether it pays out or not is another matter, and losing your income means you lose your insurance.
Blimey I thought it was a lot cheaper to live in America ? The cereal sounds expensive, but your fuel cost is a lot cheaper. Over here it’s about 1.55 a litre, which works out at 5.86 a gallon which is the equivalent to 7.50 dollars a gallon, so not sure it is more expensive to live where you are. We get ripped off with everything in UK 😩
@@darrenqualters2341my mistake it’s $4 plus for a gallon . A work colleague went for 3 weeks in jan said he wouldn’t go back . Minimum wage is $20 an hour
@@persona250still a fair bit cheaper than fuel over here. What about your gas and electricity bills ? The average over here now is about £180-£200 per month, equivalent to $230-$256
Most trades are the same. They never want to do small jobs so they turn you down (charge too much)...so you end up doing it yourself. I've seen many trades in my time and by far the easiest work imo (physically) is an electrician...And at the end of the day, it's not rocket science, it's just not sorry, Btw I think Hilti is a bit overkill for an electrician they also attract unwanted attention... funny enough actual physical fights too. Not to mention they grow legs and walk off the site. All that being said I think it's clear... I've got a few issues with sparks most are good. However, some are arrogant and charge too much and then complain about "not getting enough money".
This actually surprised me! I work in the motortrade so no experience on wages for tradies. However, expected electricians to be well into the 40-45k mark!
Its a vicious circle, think about it, without each trade, builder, plasterer, plumber, electrician, carpenter, decorator or anyother trades... One without the other, you guys wouldn't be in a job.
Your sums don’t make sense….. I’m 60 and been in the industry all my life in the uk …. I was hired by a big company in the USA as an inspector all down the east coast ….. your USA sums make it there paid well (wrong) you forgot to take there tax off which is quarterly (self assess) and is also different in each state and once medical is also deducted it’s about the same as the uk ……… I also don’t understand why a spark charging £50/£70 to change a light fitting is expensive???
Those UK wages are pre tax not after tax, if you were to look at a £33k wage after tax, national insurance and pension it'd be more around £26k a year take home
THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE. ALL OF THE QUALIFICATIONS AND TRAINING TECHNICAL AND MECHANICAL SKILLS. THE BURDEN OF IF YOU GET IT WRONG PEOPLE CAN DIE INCLUDING YOURSELF. BARBERS £20 HAIR SHAVED £60ph GET YOUR CLIPPERS OUT JOKES
all i know scaffolding is a real hard job! working at height lifting and so on very very physical job as an electrician i think they deserve 40k but I also belief that electrician should earn more because of responsibility they have !
Thank you to everyone who helped with the creation of this video. Comment below if any of the results shocked you and what figures surprised you the most. 👀
Thanks for this.🤪🤪🤪 I now know I can pay trades people so much less than I thought I had to 🤪🤪🤪.
All I know is that Artisan prices must be out of this world because 😅when I've asked Artisan for a quote all I get told is too piss off because you don't cover Oxfordshire...
Use your connections with the UA-cam electrician community to create a union where a minimum price per job can be agreed and we'll ALL benefit.
That average wage in the UK is what I am on as a 2nd year apprentice here in Australia (all be it I am a mature ageapprentice which does pay better)
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Hi Jordan, great video, could you please do a video on how to price jobs under different conditions? For example, maintenance contracts vs call outs vs normal jobs thanks 👍
As a previous builder, I used to do it all, no matter the weather, conditions or job. I would charge £250 a day. Started at £150. But had to buy shit loads of good tools regularly, fund materials, pay young lad every day. Loved it, then had a stroke, fell off can roof, pulled out shoulder and now 6 years on shit for luck degenerative disc disease, sends pains all over my body. Looking back I'd jump at building again. But if you read to bottom I could have died having a stroke, so think myself lucky.
Christ mate. Sorry to hear that.
Can you explain why you got a stroke? Was it because of eating too much, drinking alcohol or smoking? Ppl who are in physical jobs should be less likely to get these issues compared to ppl who work in an office.
@@ajharmiah2692 I dont drink or smoke, wasnt over weight and very fit with the tools. Problem was blood clot travel to my brain that buggered me.
The biggest issue is 10years ago £33k was a really good wage, but now with inflation and everything going up minimum wage is catching up it makes £33k feel like £25k 10 years ago
Pretty much goes for any job right now, it sucks
16:10 - Forget Scaffolder, I'm thinking of becoming a train driver! LOL
The hours a shit mate. No social life nothing. You will have 3 am starts always bound to living near a train station most likely driving an hour a day to work to get to the stations. Sleep is fucked. If you can handle that then go for it competition is insane for it just for the money
As someone who has lived and worked in the United States - that 30% increase in pay is soon swallowed up by the difference in the cost of living in the USA. Of course, it depends where in the US you live and work but I know where I lived, in Connecticut, I'd have to be earning close to 60% more than what I did in the UK to have the same standard of living. (CT is a relatively expensive place to live)
(just watched the end of the video where you noted the cost of living difference!)
@@joeg7537 especially with the cost of healthcare on top of other expenses...
I would imagine scaffolders and bricklayers are the highest paid because of the toll it takes on your body not many bricklayers are particularly good at walking by the age of 60 being an electrician is pretty cushty provided your safe ofc
All building trades earn morn than the motortrade. I'm a high voltage trained vehicle technician. Working on 400v dc batteries. That's live working too. Vehicles have changed so much in my 27 year career. We have to buy our own tools. Constantly train for less. Most of our salary is based on target earnings that are unachievable.
Is the automotive industry good to get into? Im thinking of doing vehicle technician in college.
@@ajharmiah2692no
Paramedics in the UK, after having to do a 3 year degree, get £14.53 per hour for the first 2 years with the nhs… everyone in the UK is underpaid.
NHS is a shambles. There are some good staff who actually care for people and put there all in. They should be paid more. But majority of them are just people who go to work and get paid. Clock out and forget about there patience on ward and just read the notes the next day.
True but they have clear job progression, can get up to higher bands on very competitive salaries, overtime pay, OOH pay increase.. job security and an unmatched pension.. it's not bad lol.
There are some other routes - my nephew is going into the forces to train as a medic and as part of that he could specialise as a paramedic, and he'd have a straight shot into the ambulance service when he leaves, should he want to. Of course, the caveat is you have to be willing to join the forces, but you get paid (even if not especially well) to learn, rather than the hideous cost of gaining a degree.
@@stevepettifer4896 I agree degrees are expensive but the debt you accrue is not really comparable to traditional debt.
@stevepettifer4896 as a CMT you have to do further training after leaving the forces in order to work as a paramedic. But at least u don't have to go and do a degree
In the Republic of Ireland.Electricians are the highest paid trade on hourly unionised industrial jobs.
Rate in Dublin has been 35 euro for the past 10 years
I didn't realise you guys are from Cambridge (Just down the Busway from me). Don't know why your videos turned up in my feel but I've watched a load now and been enjoying them.
In my opinion the best video you have "EVER MADE" thankyou so much for this
I’m a free market kind of person but I do think technical trades need to be regulated with a tiered licensing system to represent technical competencies, experience and ongoing cpd. We also need to get away from the ‘failed at school so get a trade’ mentality. We need to attract genuinely smart people to the trades and lift the standard.
I have been an electrician 38 years, wages have always gone up and down with the economy. In the early 1990`s there was just no electrical work around and wages were low. . Then Part P arrived and more regulation which really in the initial stages improved earnings. The late 1990`s up to about 2018 were really good. The last 2 - 4 years have got really difficult, costs to run the business have sky rocketed. tools, regulation, vehicle cost and insurance. There does seem a race to the bottom at the moment. Just to note I am only a sole trader and work from home but some prices I see people charge are just so low. I just don`t know how they do it. I can only suspect they use part qualified staff and a senior engineer signs it off.
Well in Australia they work to live , in the UK YOU LIVE TO WORK ,SLAVE LABOUR . That is the system . All ways has been and all ways will be . Started work in 1964 Apprentice £2-9 shillings a week ,1969 Sparks £20 for 40 hours ,15 hours a week over time @ time and a half . 2.4 kids a mortgage a car , the wife had to have a part time job and you were making head way . 1994 working on price work a gang of 3 of us , on steel tube work , tray , trunking , wiring and second fix , £1,250 a week each . That set the price for the next 10 years until another direction took over ready for retirement . I once read an article in an investment magazine on building costs ,around 1992 , an one owner of a large London electrical company , stated , is it not a shame that electricians have to have all the knowledge and we only pay them peanuts and basically it is a licence to print money for the company . So heads down lads arse up , as long as the shit is below your arm pits ? the mouth is clear to eat more doughnuts .Great fun along the way . Best of luck . 🤔😉👍👍
Electricians can work well into retirement age. Scaffolders cannot. I know a former scaffolder who is now in telesales earning a lot less because the job wore their body out. The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long.
Crawling about in attics is a young mans game
Agreed. A age timeline should be applied. And consider management level options, if any
@@barukkazhad8998 but there are so many avenues in the electrical trades IE. Testing . I don't think you have options in scaffolding
I'd love to see Jordan stand up a 21ft steel pole
It's how you look after the being , you eat sh○t & smoke you die younger
Just be responsible & respect the volt - age 😂
How many solar installations could you do without the scaffolders putting the scaffolding up to start with?
How much scaffolding could you put up with out power to charge your drills?
Scaffolding literally the lowest skill ceiling out of every trade nearly unless you’re doing specialised stuff all you need is an impact and a boat level
@@henrydavies2760 lower skill higher wear and tear
The disparity in pay between the UK and other nations can be traced back to the overall stagnation in wages in the UK vs most of the rest of the G20. Since 2008, wages in the UK have effectively remained the same, whereas cost of living / inflation have significantly changed. This has not been the case globally. The wage disparity is not unique to trades, however it does reflect how badly the UK economy has performed since the 2008 crash. Effectively it has not recovered.
This, and recent others, feels like one big advert. It's a shame :(
Thinking about the bigger picture. Really great video
In the first year after we complete our apprenticeship in switzerland we get a minimum of 4800 CHF (4264£) per month and after a year the minimum ist like 500 CHF more. And it's all regulated in the GAV(collective labour agreement ) of the of the electrical trades. Those numbers in the video seem crazy to me.
The rates of individual traders are regulated by agreements? If only that was the case here. Switzerland does also have a much higher cost of living than other European neighbours.
The problem here is not which trade is worth more than the other, the real issue is that NO trades earn what they are worth and the UK has always i repeat always had an issue with valuing our trades, so city slickers or train drivers on 60-100K a year for sitting on their arse or losing a couple of million on the markets will baulk at paying a couple of hundred a day for a good tradesman go figure!
As someone who sits behind a desk on excel all day and gets paid way more than a sparky I have to say that the one who's paying your salary ultimately decides your salary
If you expect homeowners or renters who earn 30 odd grand to be paying for your services, how can you expect to get paid 60/70k a year assuming a 40 hour work week?
Just as well you don't live in the USA. Imagine you needed a brain donor to donate you his brain, then you insisted the brain surgeon was out of order for earning a 700,000 bucks a year. Professional jobs cost money and it's not just the guys time, it's the entire toolkit he's had to build up to do the job. Electricians require a few thousand quids worth of tools and a van to transport them in. They'll require insurance.
All that has to be paid for by you and the homeowners on 30k a year otherwise, no van, no tools, no electricians.
That lorry driver who delivered something for you, you're not just paying for his time, you're paying for the loan he took out to buy his lorry, for the fuel, for the insurance, for all the taxes and for the depreciation so when that lorry is fucked he can replace it.
Fed up of people thinking it's just about one blokes hourly rate when there's so much more cost involved running a business.
@@captainwin6333 looks like you answered your own question, the surgeon is paid by the insurance company, it's why they can get paid like that
I actually got my house rewired recently for 7k and I didn't challenge it, but if that's more than a 1/3 of your take home pay for the year, how do you expect the average Joe to pay for it? I'd rather you answer that than tell me about the costs involved of running a business
You can't. The key is to not have average to low earners as your entire customer base. Yes, as part of the mix and for consistency of work. Area dependant to an extent, but there are a lot of people who are quite well off for whatever reason and looking for quality people to carry out work in their homes and businesses, prepared to pay more than these cheap and dirty rates we're reading about here. When you happen upon these customers, treat them very well with A1 service and they'll look after you too. It's worked for me.
@@Jacks_Place that was a mistake the electrician I used made, reckon he's dealt with shitty customers in the past
He forgot to include bonding in the quote and wanted £100 for it, was 20cm from the board and for that I won't be using him again for future works
@@Jacks_Place that's the mistake my electrician made, he forgot to include gas bonding in the quote and wanted £100 extra for it, it was 20cm from the board
Granted he's probably used to shitty customers but that has cost him thousands in future work I wanted done
What annoys me is people who complain about the cost of a decent trade but are quite happy to pay more for a piece of technology or whatever. Why are IT bods paid stupid amounts of money but a trade is seen a lower class?
I qualified as a sparky in 1980, as required, 'o' levels in maths, physics and another science and English.
Which other trade reqs these reqs ?
Where do you get them statistics from? They are not true I know people in each of them trades and the numbers are way off
It’s average across the whole uk
How much do you pay your guys.....at Artisan????
Cost of living is much higher in Aus though. Same with US, all the various health insurance you have to buy etc.
What salary do you pay to your Artisan electricians ?
Pretty sure it’s £48k which is good for outside London
@@lewis94ukThat’s about normal for outside London. Before I went self-employed I was on £46k a year working for a company in Bedfordshire
Since they find all the work and pay all the costs/insurance/vehicles/power tools and all you do is provide labour- then £50,000 is not bad.
Woooooooo was waiting for another member only video!!!
Thanks for your patience! More dropping this weekend for you. Enjoy!
@@artisanelectrics Hypedddd🚨
You never see a scaffolder older than 40 though!
😂😂😂
Ever lifted a 30FT scaffold pole?
@johnchristmas7522 that's why you can't do it forever! It breaks you but the money is good while you can do it.
@@NickMayhew-x3uI assumed that it would be similar for brickies - it's a physically demanding job so the wear and tear on the tradie is pretty high and could be time-limiting, and that is why they're one of the highest paid (on average).
@@stevepettifer4896 I think bricklayer is less physically demanding than scaffolding
Not only is the pay lower than it should be but you add onto that the amount of downtime that can happen when other trades are delayed or just those times where work slows down.
We get treated like crap, the employers and union are in each others pockets, sparkies don’t stick together so nothing will change..
Pay differences between countries is no mark of how well paid they are its dependent on cost of living
With scaffolds the customer can see that they are paying for - with electricians and plumbers most of the time the customer can’t see or understand what we’ve done so it seems to be worth less to them.
One job I was on the customer asked a plumber to move a radiator he said £750 and they said ok that’s fine - then she asked me to swap the consumer unit I said about £800 and she said wow you’re joking aren’t you they are only £50 in Screwfix 😂
Also don't forget trades have to move from job to job , prices are highly competitive and weather often influences wether work can continue. Other professionals are often rooted to one area and weather, competition is not as difficult.
Definitely machinist (not sewing but engineering) is the worst paid trade, dealing with metals that have lead content, dirty air filled with coolant, risk of death if you make a mistake, and the lives of others are in your hands if you make parts for planes or similar industries, the maths involved are more complicated than sizing cables and the average pay is £13 an hour right now. After a four year apprenticeship I was making £9.83 an hour 10 years ago and making parts for aircraft in 2017 I was making £14.5 an hour.
Depends if you work for yourself or work as employee
In my experience the smaller businesses charge too much but the ones on PAYE get paid just right . There are no paupers in sparkies .Artisan think they are extra special when they price jobs . They would get no work up north
Enjoyed you video but to quote salaries between different countries is ok, but what about the cost of living.
Get in the lift business, after income tax and all I end up with about 60k for an average 30 weeks work and 40h a week.
Why work more than you need to.
So, once someone told me.
When client has spent his money? They first go to ground! And as soon as build progress there is less in pot. I know builders takes 300 home a day. And they cover everything (comes with price) then you see quality (questionable) but they can do all. London area
Am self employed. 150-170 /per day.. mostly domestic and full renovations.. i commute with a (fast🤫)ebike and a large motorcycle backpack... No travel costs(insurance/petrol/tax/parking).. get materials delivered.. and have the luxury of not getting caught in traffic.. which means that i can get to more jobs in a day... Not ideal for carrying multiple DeWalt packs😅... But forces me to plan jobs better only taking needed tools... And then again i can always jump on the train (folded ebike).
So at the moment Electrician wages are good for me.. but definitely they are too low for the average electrician and their expenses.
I take it you're not qualified, as that's money from 2013
@@Walktheline1991Well I'd better hand in my certificates then and work as a general handyman! 🙃
To be fair I am a single parent so I don't really do full days.. but the work I carry out amounts to a day's work .. pricing versus Hourly rate.. still trying to find my way... But here in NW London... This is generally the low end of electrical quotes... And still get people's asking for lower price 🙄.
Where's John?
He got made redundant by Artisan and became self-employed.
Mechanical engineers who serve 4 - 7 year apprenticeships earn £30,000 pa - they are the dudes you see covered in grease and oil with a finger or 2 missing. They have to work 20 years before they get anywhere near £50,000. Everyone is underpaid in the UK except diversity managers in the NHS. Have a look at any of the large employment websites and you would struggle to find much these days over £40,000 pa. This is what happens when you flood the market with cheap labour for decades.
I am a certified electrician working for a company in Cyprus,electrician’s salary’s here are about €70-€100 per day considering you have a good amount of experience in the field
Wow that’s very cheap compared to UK
@@artisanelectrics yes it is,and prices of everyday goods and rents are sky high,I’ve been to London for holidays in 2019 and I am sure the prices today are about the same here
Hi Jordan in Ireland at the moment we are crying out for trades persons. I'm a sparks working for a company and I'm earning €26.50 an hour which is worth more in pounds sterling. 25 years ago I worked in London and money then was much better than in Ireland. How times change. But our union in Ireland fought for better pay. Love your vlogs
I live in South Australia last week I paid $180 for a ceiling fan to be installed, job took 1hr cash. We have iron ore near trades work 12hrs 7 day shift week off 7 days night shift, followed by 7 days off. Plus 5 weeks holidays plus 7 sick days a year, My grandson Fabweleder gets about before tax a year &130000 working less than 6 months a year. The electrician who installed my fan also works out at the mine, so on his off week he works for himself around the place.
That's like £100 tops? You'd pay that in london for a fitting swap.
As you said , when you start to quote for your good quality job , sometimes its really hard to beat that dave from the pub changing a fuse board for 350£ including materials 😂
The Australia rates at 50 dollars an hour will be FIFI rates , fly in fly out , you work in a mine 12 hour days and you live in a prision camp with shit food , it’s not as good as they make it out to be , the US. Rates will have no health care , holidays or sick pay ect , so it’s not all apples for apples , have you made the move to sparky abroad ? My guess is by most of the backgrounds used that’s mostly filmed in France ?
i think its supply and demand, more people want to become sparkies, more sparkies = more competition for jobs drives down price
True. It's about supply and demand. That's why commercial gas engineers can change job monthly if they like and get paid well just to show up. Shortage of them for the time being. Yet I do hear of companies struggling to get sparkys but it's because they want good ones for peanuts.
Lets be honest the industry and the government shafted us 17 yrs ago by joining the EU, I saw jobs advertised in 09 for a fully loadedspark for £9 ph. When the industry decided that improvers could do the same job under instruction as sparks then it mangled us for over a decade, our rates have only just gone up to a fairly decent rate. But underpaid and undervalued still absolutely.
It's all well and good saying an electrician should find the customers willing to pay for a top quality service, but as a "Customer" it's a bloody minefield trying to find any decent trades person who actually cares enough to do a good job that warrants paying slightly more.
When i started my apprenticeship in 1973 the electrical trade was the highest paid i think it should go back to that situation again the building trade is hard but there are more risks and danger in i would say in the gas and electrical trades.
£250 to £400 per day min employed 300 to 400 sole trade 600 if limited company should be 30 pound hr or more
This is more like it 💯💯
But £30 per hour is only 240 per day..?
@justinaszvirblis6950 31.25 times 8hrs =250 for simplicity I said £30+ all trades should be starting as least £20+ per hr but the sad reality as highlighted the above video most don't get the compensation they deserve.
@@justinaszvirblis6950this bloke is full of shite and can't even get his figures right
You would have to look at the average pay across all jobs abroad and dont forget you have more expenses and have to have health insurance and no state pension etc
You say it takes years to train & get experience. Not to knock the trade or anything...but if you are committed & crucially remove all the bs tea runs etc, you can get up to a really good standard from 0 in about 6 months. & that's i'd say for the average person. If you're talented it could be 3 months.
I specialise in fire and security. Admittedly I'm self employed but i wouldn't get ouf of bed for even a scaffolders day Rate... I charge more than that for my apprentice
Going by my recent quote for an EV charger that is £1300 which I worked out parts were £700 that’s a nice few hours earnings in my book.
By your thumbnail I didn’t realise you get paid in dollars as well truly international 😂
Gas engineer doing boiler swaps etc most highly paid can charge 1000 for one day
£980
970
@@JayGasEssex £999.99 I charge 🤣
dear JODAN FARLY me and my famly love your company videos so much .keep the good work up. and i do think that electricians do not get paid enough
Started my level 2 electric and now I've got the ticket I'll stop there and continue as a commercial gas engineer as it just not worth the headache going all the way.
Is it worth being a gas engineer over an electrician or bricklayer/scaff? what's the job satisfaction like?
@@coachingconfidant2785 I've not been an electrician nor bricklayer. I've done a basic bricklayers day course, but recently was told that they are in high demand. Unless I was self employed there is no way I would do either job. It doesn't pay enough money for it to be worth it. Electrician is the worse for qualifications needed and amount paid. Can cost 6-9k to become one. Personally if I could go back in time I would still become a gas man then get to commercial as quickly as possible. AC or BMS engineer is another good route. AC, fgas is quick and cheap. Recently paid 1.4k to get fgas. AC you can learn on job quickly with mentor and UA-cam. Bms can be learnt on job and no official qualifications are required. In house training from suppliers like trend, tend to be adequate. Employed as commercial gas engineer you can make 65-80k in London if you're willing to do out of hours work. AC you can make 50-65k. BMS 50-80k. I recently made a vidio on the different trades, qualifications and average earnings. Regarding job satisfaction. I think this depends on what you want from your career. I get good job satisfaction. Worked in some amazing locations, seen some of the most important buildings in the world. Learnt other trades whilst doing gas. Have worked 4 day week shifts 8-4pm door to door. Currently only work in uk for 6 months and live abroad for several then return. There's always good money and pay waiting when I return. Been blessed. Hope that answers your question.
You forgot Tiler’s
If you consider how much an hour it costs to get your car serviced at a main dealership, then i dont think electricians get any where near enough.
Depend what you mean by electrician
Income always is depend on knowledges and experience
Not paper.
It range from 30 k to 350k in uk
Depend on knowledge
Or even more
Working for company will not make you earn a lot
But yourself if you have a experience and knowledge plus Bussiness understanding
Then figure change and is depend on your understanding of market
And Bussiness Managment
I know peopel who tried become electrician and went to Collge too got paper too but has no saving
I also know Romanian guy who came to uk and study and worked hard
In 10 years of focus and hard work
He build 2 million £ turning Bussiness and employed many electrician working for him
So depend on you
How hard you try and how hungry you are for success
How much you are willing to do to build successful Bussiness
It all take time hard work and not giving up on failures
With Continuation of hard work and study seeking knowledge can become Millionair on this trade
All up to you how much money you want
Simple
But slave market of electricians are between 30 to 70k in uk
Depend on knowledge
And experience
Electrical work set your Standard Personal Rate , but maybe we overlook Landscapers as a Trade that's a Top Earner 😮
We get the terminology wrong. When an employed person looks at their wage slip what they get 'paid' is what they see as their net income. When a self employed tradesperson gets 'paid' their hourly or daily rate includes all the expenses of running the business: Tools, van, materials, travel costs, other business costs (premises, mobile phone, office, accountant, etc.) sick pay, holiday pay, pension and, oh yes, a wage. Perhaps quotations should show, business costs, material costs and 'wages' as seperate items and then maybe customers wouldn't consider that they're being 'ripped off' ? 😣😣
I'm just under 44k as the QS of the company i work for, our sparks are on anywhere between 33 and 38k.
I wouldn’t even look at a job if it was less than £50k employed, ridiculous
Bloody ell mate what year are you basing this Salary’s on 😱😂😂😂
I earned more in the 70s/80s/ 90s up to 2020 when
I retired. ..in the late 70s I was getting 20 pounds a hour. 80s more by the 90s 50 a hour by the time I retired I was on 220 a day sometimes more it depends on the job. And were you work .. I worked in London , but worked in Germany , France , and Spain on decent contracts , I also had my own company . I worked for kitchen company’s , builders , shops , banks etc I done ok but you need luck as well … I had my fair share … I can now sit back and enjoy myself … would I do it again. Defo …
There is no such thing as a Gas engineer, there are maybe mechanical or electrical engineers who work servicing gas boilers, but they are not gas engineers, and they aren't engineers unless they have a recognised degree in engineering
an engineer with years of school have 40 to 45, and an scaffolding has 40? what is the point going to school ?
Engineer is not dangerous
@@papatango5085 is dangerous because he need to make sure all that scaffolding is is safe. the engineer is responsible for everybody life , in case is a issue the building is going down., the engineer is responsible.
@@pandav4843 it s stressful not dangerous .
@@papatango5085 stress is more dangerous ...you ever work in a stress environment.. ??
Scaffolder 😮????
There are electricians and there are dabblers who advertise as electricians. When I trained it took five years to get to the technician grade. i.e. Electrician, Approved Electrician & the 'C' Course for Electrical Technician.
You don’t get to complain with that kind of pay. You earn more than an electronics engineer in Norway. An electrician earn about 50k.
Who’s the joker in Australia 😂😂😂😂 I don’t know anyone working for less then 50aud unlicensed also £20-25 agency in uk is standard commercial/industrial. Eu pharmaceutical is £37-47 n hr minimum
Approx 42 600£ for an onshore electrician in Norway, without overtime or other benefits, plus minimum 2% pension savings per year
Genuine question and excuse my ignorance, but why are bricklayers on so much money? What skills is required apart from being physically abled person and what hazard or risk do their jobs pose?
Just a bit shock is all and im genuinely curious
Paid by the brick essentially, the more experienced and skilled you get the more bricks you can lay in a day. While it's not as nuanced and regulated as electrician work there's still a lot of skill and knowledge required to do it well, all trades can seem pretty basic if you boil them down to their component parts (brickies just stick bricks together, carpenters just hack up wood and screw it together, electricians just join wires together, plumbers just glue pipes together etc.). It's bloody hard graft though, absolutely wrecks your body and you can't do it forever. Risks are the same as builders really, heights, falls, exhaustion, injury, getting mangled by machinery, getting your head caved in or generally crushed and concrete is awful for the skin and lungs long term, all the usual fun of the building site.
@@DjDolHaus86 there are some 70 year old bricklayers, SO it can be done without breaking your body
@@coachingconfidant2785 You try it and tell me how you feel about the prospect of doing it day in, day out for 50 years
Ireland 62k
Scaffolders have massive expenses so you can see why they get paid the most.
Like what ? He’s talking about a employee not a company
Coke and beers ain't cheap fella😂
@@rn5666 Charlie and roids isn’t cheap mate.
Problem is it seems like electricians are willing to work for nothing which drags everyone’s rates down as well. Social media is a killer so many on you tube showing exactly how to do a job and costings and that’s what everyone goes by
Currently training as an electrician so this is good ha ha.
Try being in the motor trade mate if you want to be undervalued.
No - woodworker / cabinetmakers are. While there isn't as much regulation, time is always the biggest factor and there are few woodworkers that can command the thousands of pounds for bespoke furniture when every tightwad and his wife keep saying "we can get a real wood dining table at oak furnitureland for £300, I'm not paying you £2000 for one" - sure, if you don't mind a table being made of sections of offcuts, with shit joinery and an unhealthy dose of woodworm as a free gift (which happens a LOT). The days of people buying the best furniture they can afford, to last a LIFETIME are long gone. People can't do without sparkies or plumbers, but they CAN do without woodworkers - we are a dying breed.
Where the safety and health of you and your family are at stake shopping for a cheap doctor, electrician, water and gas plumber, builder. If a doctor fails you, you can be very screwed immediately, if nan electrician or gas fitter makes a mistake, that can be life threatening to more than just you immediately or into the future. you'd want your house not to be poorly built so it needs re-doing in the future and so on.
If you go with the cheapest price in one of the trades that can have health and safety concerns for you and your family, you'd have to ask what corners are being cut that could bite you in the present or future especially if they have priced so low to get work because they aren't as good at their trade as the more reasonable priced tradie.
If you get a good tradesmen at a cheap price because they have to make a living wage they to will be rushed and that will bring the quality down.
If an above board standard of pricing for standard job was set so all health, safety and legal concerns were protected from short cuts, the clients could be more focused on the quality of the install and service and not worried about any hidden dangers. Any tradesmen who aren't up to the standard will have to improve or work will dry up because they can't under charge.
I know some rubbish contractors who do eicr for £25 for 2. Bedroom flat and lying to the clients that ccu must be replaced because it’s made of plastic.
if its in an escape route it should ideally be replaced to a metal one, still only a c3 at best though
@@gazabeebles ideally
@@Electric-First ive worked with guys that would c2 lights for no rcd even though it was 17th edition or earlier installs, some people should not be doing eicrs
Delivery Driver. I bet , I am so demoted , you would not even call it a trade.
All tradesmen need to understand their worth, and Stop charging such poor rates for there time, day rates are shocking throughout the construction industry been the same for a decade, due to undercutting. Need more clarity in rates and tradesmen working together in pricing structures to make sure we all make more money. With the skills and experience we have this shouldn’t even be a topic!
Very surprising results
Thanks for your guest appearance 😁👌
American sparkies earn roughly double what UK sparkies earn but the cost of living in America is double . $3 for a gallon of fuel , $9 for a box of cereal it’s expensive.
Having worked in America myself the cost of healthcare is a major factor. Yes you can get insurance but whether it pays out or not is another matter, and losing your income means you lose your insurance.
Blimey I thought it was a lot cheaper to live in America ? The cereal sounds expensive, but your fuel cost is a lot cheaper. Over here it’s about 1.55 a litre, which works out at 5.86 a gallon which is the equivalent to 7.50 dollars a gallon, so not sure it is more expensive to live where you are. We get ripped off with everything in UK 😩
@@darrenqualters2341my mistake it’s $4 plus for a gallon . A work colleague went for 3 weeks in jan said he wouldn’t go back . Minimum wage is $20 an hour
@@persona250still a fair bit cheaper than fuel over here. What about your gas and electricity bills ? The average over here now is about £180-£200 per month, equivalent to $230-$256
@@darrenqualters2341 i have no idea I live in England .
Is it worth to come from another country to work in uk as electric technician?
Depends which country you’re coming from
@@artisanelectricsAsia. Pakistan/India/Bangladesh
If you came from india or romania but from Germany or Swiss no 😅
220000
Most trades are the same. They never want to do small jobs so they turn you down (charge too much)...so you end up doing it yourself. I've seen many trades in my time and by far the easiest work imo (physically) is an electrician...And at the end of the day, it's not rocket science, it's just not sorry, Btw I think Hilti is a bit overkill for an electrician they also attract unwanted attention... funny enough actual physical fights too. Not to mention they grow legs and walk off the site. All that being said I think it's clear... I've got a few issues with sparks most are good. However, some are arrogant and charge too much and then complain about "not getting enough money".
This actually surprised me! I work in the motortrade so no experience on wages for tradies. However, expected electricians to be well into the 40-45k mark!
Commodity trader in energy markets make over£300k
My roofer charges £300 per day
Sparkles should be £250 to £350 a day depends on experience and if your running a job or not
Its a vicious circle, think about it, without each trade, builder, plasterer, plumber, electrician, carpenter, decorator or anyother trades... One without the other, you guys wouldn't be in a job.
Bro you’re a domestic electrician 😂 Blows my mind that you think that requires some sort of high intellect.
Your sums don’t make sense….. I’m 60 and been in the industry all my life in the uk …. I was hired by a big company in the USA as an inspector all down the east coast ….. your USA sums make it there paid well (wrong) you forgot to take there tax off which is quarterly (self assess) and is also different in each state and once medical is also deducted it’s about the same as the uk ……… I also don’t understand why a spark charging £50/£70 to change a light fitting is expensive???
Those UK wages are pre tax not after tax, if you were to look at a £33k wage after tax, national insurance and pension it'd be more around £26k a year take home
THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE. ALL OF THE QUALIFICATIONS AND TRAINING TECHNICAL AND MECHANICAL SKILLS. THE BURDEN OF IF YOU GET IT WRONG PEOPLE CAN DIE INCLUDING YOURSELF.
BARBERS £20 HAIR SHAVED £60ph GET YOUR CLIPPERS OUT JOKES
all i know scaffolding is a real hard job! working at height lifting and so on very very physical job
as an electrician i think they deserve 40k but I also belief that electrician should earn more because of responsibility they have !