I checked the game files and verified that industry banned is indeed supposed to add efficiency and is not a multiplier like for the other laws. Really weird.
@@generalistgaming I only checked the name of the modifier and verified its an "add" not a multiply. I cannot see the place where the modifiers are actually used, so I don't know why the math is so unexpected.
Which is weird. I would rather support a streamer that actively tells me their are savescumming in order for me to have a better viewing experience... Thats why I live TommyKay's videos. Just sympethatic aand authentic stuff...
According to the Wiki, Luddites will only spawn on Rural Folk/Devout if you have Interventionism, Laissez Faire, or Command Economy for non-agitator spawns. This is why in your first 20 attempts there were no Luddites. Mexico starts on Agrarianism, which is why this is much harder for you to do as Mexico-released California than any US/UK release. You were right that going Laissez Faire would fix your problem, but for the added reason that they can't spawn otherwise.
@@generalistgaming Start as USA rush nationalism and, get manifest destiny, conquer all the claims meanwhile pass laissez-faire and build agrarian buildings then release California passing Industry ban should be more easy. Also you can make a campaign of a border close, isolated, industry ban, one party theocracy with outlawed dissent and secret police
A little weird suggestion: Try increasing SoL in United tribes, without building a lot of buildings. I did it once. My SoL raised to 27 once, I had no upper strata and most of my people were middle strata. This is weird and op. Imagine having trade unions in your first 5 years. I only built a port. I maintained so much trade routes without producing revenue was -12k for such a small nation.
@harku123 I played as united tribes, then I started passing census suffrage and made a civil war. For some reason, after the Civil War, trade unions and intellegencia became very powerful in 1842. After that I imported all luxury goods and consumable goods. I produced nothing, my revenue was negative, and I had no money, but after passing some laws and around 1870, my SoL raised to its highest, 27. 90% of my population were middle strata, the upper strata was less than 10 people, and they were starving😂 I broke the game. Trade unions early game is op af. Only upper strata were the radicals. That was funny as hell.
As someone who loves doing achievement runs in these games, you are a godsend. Also your heavy number crunching style reminds me of Arumba in the best way possible and makes the whole game so much easier to understand. Thanks a ton for these Vic3 runs and I can't wait to see what you do once Spheres comes out!
FYI If you release New England as USA you'll start with a luddite IG leader (for reasons I don't quite understand). I then joined the UK customs union and didn't have a difficult time reaching 20 SOL just industrialising with low low taxes. Also doing the achievement with autonomous investment is probably easier as it means your hefty investment pool gets spent on manufacturing, whereas on direct control you can only spend it on agriculture. Also, I had no problems with attracting migrants, as the extra immigrants meant I could reach higher economies of scale, and I was always on 100% employment.
It’s hard for you to demarginise the clergy because California starts as Protestant but with only catholic and animist pops so no one can join the IG without immigration.
Besides slotting and unslotting the government to change the date of the law tick to reroll the result, you can increase or decrease positive authority to change the date of the law tick, which will have the same effect.
Max GDP is basically just world conquest, lol. United states is best for it because getting african american as a primary culture after the civil war means you can incorporate pretty much all of the americas, europe & africa quickly.
@@omanerasduI think he means do whatever is necessary to get max gdp instead of what generalist normally does which is diplo protectorate them it would be something like playing France declaring for the transfer of almost all Britain subjects and going from there most likely or China again idk
@@pokefantrent2065 protectorates is the most effective way to increase GDP. You don't want to just conquer, because wars vs majors is bad for your GDP, and custom unions are good.
While you don't have any construction buildings the goods for the first 10 free construction are free. As soon as you have a construction building, you start paying for those "free" 10 construction goods. Which means that if you're not making that many more construction than the base 10, you don't want to have construction buildings at all, and you should spend those 2-4k in troops or boats to expand militarily. Or in Universities. It's relevant for tiny nations.
I've read a Reddit comment of someone claiming Paraguay can form Turtle Island and federate with all American nations with European herritage. I lack the skill to try that, but would be epic to see you do it.
Done the achievement quite easy by going to Laissez Faire and then Industry banned as US. Just get yourself bunch of subjects to produce heavy industry goods for you, then go for social laws (public healthcare and old age pensions) and SoL will be over 20 in no time
Just to be clear @Justin I meant it was easier to conquer Cali as USA and then release (probably) than it was to start as Mexico and release - doing the entire USA is probably harder, but you also don't have to worry about getting annexed.
15:53 Industry banned changing aristo reinvestment from 10% to 35%, but it changing composition of ownership class (70 + 5.78) * 0.05 (farmers) + (42.1 + 3.31 + 1.89) * 0.35 (aristo) * 1.2 (landowners loyal and empowered) = 23.655 With rounding it 23.7
not being able to be enforced on when u become a subject isnt a bug and it makes perfect sense subjects cant be enforced on when their overlords are in the play. thats how it always works it just looks weird because the subject remains as a decision maker in the war which is not how it normally works.
@@generalistgaming at 15:43 when you are checking 'ownership shares dividends'. Farmers ownership share dividends is = 75.78, and 5% of that is = 3.789.....Aristocrats ownership shares dividends is = 47.3 and 35% of that is = 14.19 ...so total reinvestment should be 14.19+3.789= 17,98$$$ Not sure where the extra 5 is coming from though
This is more opaque than I realized. Aristocrats aren't the sole owner of plantations, and the percentage ownership seems to change based on your land laws even though they don't change the pm at all for plantations @@charlesiphone5765
I have a research tutorial but the short answer is that when you get/finish the tier one techs it will reduce the cost of the research down to 10k, and by researching the 10k up to 10k first you make it so you effectively get to control where your tech spread goes.
My favorite way of getting this achievement was as follows: 1. Release and play as New England, keep repeating until a Luddite leads the Rural Folk 2. Get them in government and pass Industry Banned 3. Join the USA's customs union, their industry will prop you up for the entire game 4. AFK until SOL is high enough to get the achievement So free
I checked the game files and verified that industry banned is indeed supposed to add efficiency and is not a multiplier like for the other laws. Really weird.
Classic Paradox Math.
What number is it supposed to add? Cuz it didn't seem like it was mathing
It might also be worth seeing if there is a max percentage that can be contributed.
@@generalistgaming I only checked the name of the modifier and verified its an "add" not a multiply.
I cannot see the place where the modifiers are actually used, so I don't know why the math is so unexpected.
I like how honest you are about savescumming and rolling for better starts. I think many streamers do stuff like that but are too proud to admit it.
Which is weird.
I would rather support a streamer that actively tells me their are savescumming in order for me to have a better viewing experience...
Thats why I live TommyKay's videos.
Just sympethatic aand authentic stuff...
According to the Wiki, Luddites will only spawn on Rural Folk/Devout if you have Interventionism, Laissez Faire, or Command Economy for non-agitator spawns. This is why in your first 20 attempts there were no Luddites. Mexico starts on Agrarianism, which is why this is much harder for you to do as Mexico-released California than any US/UK release. You were right that going Laissez Faire would fix your problem, but for the added reason that they can't spawn otherwise.
Yeah I looked it up before rolling and glossed over this and my brain completely assumed that Mexico was Interventionism
@@generalistgaming Start as USA rush nationalism and, get manifest destiny, conquer all the claims meanwhile pass laissez-faire and build agrarian buildings then release California passing Industry ban should be more easy. Also you can make a campaign of a border close, isolated, industry ban, one party theocracy with outlawed dissent and secret police
A little weird suggestion:
Try increasing SoL in United tribes, without building a lot of buildings.
I did it once. My SoL raised to 27 once, I had no upper strata and most of my people were middle strata.
This is weird and op. Imagine having trade unions in your first 5 years.
I only built a port. I maintained so much trade routes without producing revenue was -12k for such a small nation.
Would you mind explaining this? How does one achieve this?
@harku123 I played as united tribes, then I started passing census suffrage and made a civil war. For some reason, after the Civil War, trade unions and intellegencia became very powerful in 1842.
After that I imported all luxury goods and consumable goods. I produced nothing, my revenue was negative, and I had no money, but after passing some laws and around 1870, my SoL raised to its highest, 27.
90% of my population were middle strata, the upper strata was less than 10 people, and they were starving😂
I broke the game. Trade unions early game is op af. Only upper strata were the radicals. That was funny as hell.
@@pirate_thatcher lol that's pretty funny, sounds like an interesting run, thanks for responding
Bro this is one of the best tags for video I have seen for Vitoria 3. Your awesome man.
I'm a little confused, do you mean thumbnail? Or that I have good tags in the description?
@@generalistgaming I thought they meant country tag, like just the country in general- but idk, lmao
As someone who loves doing achievement runs in these games, you are a godsend. Also your heavy number crunching style reminds me of Arumba in the best way possible and makes the whole game so much easier to understand. Thanks a ton for these Vic3 runs and I can't wait to see what you do once Spheres comes out!
Weird al would be proud
FYI If you release New England as USA you'll start with a luddite IG leader (for reasons I don't quite understand). I then joined the UK customs union and didn't have a difficult time reaching 20 SOL just industrialising with low low taxes.
Also doing the achievement with autonomous investment is probably easier as it means your hefty investment pool gets spent on manufacturing, whereas on direct control you can only spend it on agriculture.
Also, I had no problems with attracting migrants, as the extra immigrants meant I could reach higher economies of scale, and I was always on 100% employment.
Great video! More achievement runs maybe? There's not a lot of people covering them for Vic 3, a big difference from EU4, HoI and so on.
Maybe? Doing achievement runs has polled poorly in the past
It’s hard for you to demarginise the clergy because California starts as Protestant but with only catholic and animist pops so no one can join the IG without immigration.
Ah, that's right
Besides slotting and unslotting the government to change the date of the law tick to reroll the result, you can increase or decrease positive authority to change the date of the law tick, which will have the same effect.
Got 12 gold fields really early, ignored construction and imported all consumer goods. Achievement popped in in 1842.
It is possible to earn achievements after 1936? 😮
Yeah absolute minmaxed would involve reloading for gold events
I would love to see a max GDP run. Play as which ever country and do anything you can to max out your gdp.
Max GDP is basically just world conquest, lol. United states is best for it because getting african american as a primary culture after the civil war means you can incorporate pretty much all of the americas, europe & africa quickly.
Max GDP is kinda your normal game, no?
@@omanerasduI think he means do whatever is necessary to get max gdp instead of what generalist normally does which is diplo protectorate them it would be something like playing France declaring for the transfer of almost all Britain subjects and going from there most likely or China again idk
@@pokefantrent2065 protectorates is the most effective way to increase GDP. You don't want to just conquer, because wars vs majors is bad for your GDP, and custom unions are good.
Best is probably a Turtle Island WC but that's a little gamey for me
While you don't have any construction buildings the goods for the first 10 free construction are free. As soon as you have a construction building, you start paying for those "free" 10 construction goods.
Which means that if you're not making that many more construction than the base 10, you don't want to have construction buildings at all, and you should spend those 2-4k in troops or boats to expand militarily. Or in Universities.
It's relevant for tiny nations.
I've read a Reddit comment of someone claiming Paraguay can form Turtle Island and federate with all American nations with European herritage. I lack the skill to try that, but would be epic to see you do it.
It's super gamey but maybe I'll poll it. People generally don't want to see me hard exploit when I've polled it
Tru luxemburg world conquest run
i did it with release New England from USA... it was such an easy achivement :-)
Done the achievement quite easy by going to Laissez Faire and then Industry banned as US. Just get yourself bunch of subjects to produce heavy industry goods for you, then go for social laws (public healthcare and old age pensions) and SoL will be over 20 in no time
57:20 It actually doesn't. Consumption tax doesn't get penalized from tax waste.
I just did it as the US in 1.5. I don't know why so many people play as a released nation to get this achievement.
he said he did this way to make it more of a challenge
it's easier to get your SOL higher with fewer states. I did it as New England, personally
Just to be clear @Justin I meant it was easier to conquer Cali as USA and then release (probably) than it was to start as Mexico and release - doing the entire USA is probably harder, but you also don't have to worry about getting annexed.
15:53
Industry banned changing aristo reinvestment from 10% to 35%, but it changing composition of ownership class
(70 + 5.78) * 0.05 (farmers) + (42.1 + 3.31 + 1.89) * 0.35 (aristo) * 1.2 (landowners loyal and empowered) = 23.655
With rounding it 23.7
Yeah I didn't realize farmers were counting here
not being able to be enforced on when u become a subject isnt a bug and it makes perfect sense subjects cant be enforced on when their overlords are in the play. thats how it always works it just looks weird because the subject remains as a decision maker in the war which is not how it normally works.
If you are the new overlord you can just never capitulate if they occupy all the wargoals, though I suppose they lacked Alaska
when are u going to do a sikh empire run my guy?
Probably not soon cuz that's a reeeeeaaaly long run and I've done it before
form turtle island @Generalist Gaming, you know what it is its basically roman america
Ah, the cheese feels too cheesy
yeah the maths not mathing, i checked it out myself on EIC and it was never 35% reinvestment like promised
It has to be that the farmers are part owners or something?
How about a Dutch play through trying to get to #1 great power
Big nice when you're on the other side of all the bugs and debuffs 😂
EDIT: oh no 😭
😅
But the aristocrats are only partially in the number you looked at right? The rest were farmers or something. So it makes sense
I can't remember what exactly I was looking at, but Cotton and Wine specifically have aristocrat ownership even if you're on homesteading.
@@generalistgaming at 15:43 when you are checking 'ownership shares dividends'. Farmers ownership share dividends is = 75.78, and 5% of that is = 3.789.....Aristocrats ownership shares dividends is = 47.3 and 35% of that is = 14.19 ...so total reinvestment should be 14.19+3.789= 17,98$$$ Not sure where the extra 5 is coming from though
This is more opaque than I realized. Aristocrats aren't the sole owner of plantations, and the percentage ownership seems to change based on your land laws even though they don't change the pm at all for plantations
@@charlesiphone5765
Imagine an Amish commenting that they're offended
Their grievance will arrive via buggy
Based achievement
What is the purpose of researching techs to 10k progress? I never understood the thought behind it
I have a research tutorial but the short answer is that when you get/finish the tier one techs it will reduce the cost of the research down to 10k, and by researching the 10k up to 10k first you make it so you effectively get to control where your tech spread goes.
@@generalistgaming thank you
Crazy how Texas actually won its civil war, I've never seen that happen
It's often common/rare on patches so you see it always or never a lot
@@generalistgamingI definitely feel like it should not be as rare as it's felt for me considering they won irl
Do a video about migration in 1.6 Version
Not yet since it’s still bugged
@@generalistgaming
ok
wtf trade union on 1847😂
My favorite way of getting this achievement was as follows:
1. Release and play as New England, keep repeating until a Luddite leads the Rural Folk
2. Get them in government and pass Industry Banned
3. Join the USA's customs union, their industry will prop you up for the entire game
4. AFK until SOL is high enough to get the achievement
So free
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More easy for new england and make colonial goverment, then you just maximaze subsidies
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