Correction to frame weight: All told the large titanium frame comes in at 916g or two pounds lighter than the steel version. the frame is not sub 1000g, but comes in at 1,814g. The medium bike I tested comes in at 10.64 kg (23.45 lbs). Sorry for the confusion.
I watched the first 2 mins and then came here to comment 🥳 as I’ve an old 26” On One 456Ti (Lynskey) and that frame weighed 1.75kg in a large. At 1.8kg the Otso is light though for a 29”.
Nice to see external routing on a frame, ideal for tinkering. I love everything about my Bearclaw Thunderhawk except the internal routing. Ti is really worth the price of admission!
Nearing 300 miles on my Fenrir Ti and loving it. I'm just barely 5'8" and actually went with a small drop bar. I tried both the medium and the small and felt like either could probably work, but their recommendation was that if I was to be riding more loaded down the smaller frame might work better from a handling perspective. The bike is feeling great so no complaints on the direction I chose. I've been nicely surprised by the ENVE fork. Never had one before and it's very comfortable and has a lot of versatility. I'm coming from a Surly Ghost Grappler which has a VERY similar geometry and long reach, and the Fenrir felt right at home, but with much better components and a LOT less weight. Overall an awesome bike, despite the $$$
Fantastic reporting and presentation Neil! Thanks for the thoughtfulness and thorough reflections on this bike and in all the work you put into this chanel and the website!
I’m looking to replace my Chumba Stella ti…and I’m down now, to a Sklar or an Otso. Darn it all….choices choices! You mention that the “middle position insert” allows for “single speed or an internally geared hub”. Regarding the IGH, I immediately after watching this the first time, I reached out to Otso…and they stated that there bike CANNOT accommodate a Rohloff IGH (which I already own. Looks like I’m looking at the Sklar, now. I want a ti frame that can accommodate either a Rohloff, or that can be ordered with a Pinion Drive. Damn damn damn! Where is my American-made Goldilocks ride? As always, Neil, you do a phenomenal job of coming off a “natural professional” when making your videos! Ride on, ride safe, brother!
I would like this bike frame,if it kept gravel standard drop outs. It just makes it easier when you want to build up with your gravel bike parts. Perhaps if you have more of a mountain bike parts bin then this would be a “no brainer”
Seems like new school seat angle and old school reach doesn't add up a flat bar ATB that's enjoyable. On the drop bar front, I'd want a 74 STA to get the pressure off my hands when riding on level ground for hours on end.
Tengo 44 años y llevo montando en bicicleta desde que tengo uso de razon. La verdad es que cada dia estoy alucinando con el precio de las bicis de hoy en dia... Casi rozando la falta de respeto... En fin, el mundo moderno...
Great review and interesting bike. I think something I wrong with the weight. According to Otso frame weight is 1814g for size L (Stainless is 2540g) sub 1kg is a pretty lightweight carbon frame.
probably comes out of the same factory in china as the Titus/Planet x(UK) frames that cost US$1000 for frame or $2500 full build. looks VERY similar, even the laser etching!
Very thorough review. Seems like the ideal adventurer's drop bar gravel bike for off-the-beaten path bikepacking trips. The TI frame and massive 2.6-in. tires would definitely act as suspension in most non-technical riding situations. Curious, with the sub 1000 gram frame, what did it weigh minus the bikepacking bags?
Thanks for watching! The medium with pedals and a bit of dirt on it came in at 10.64 kg (23.45 lbs). I should have added that in the review, but it is in the written portion: bikepacking.com/bikes/otso-fenrir-ti-review/
Thanks for another excellent review Neil. The seat stays appear be fairly small in diameter, and tube thickness isn't noted. Did you notice lateral movement in the rear triangle?
The tubing is 16mm, which I think is pretty normal for a bike of this caliber. It still offers comfort while being snappy and predictable, perhaps part of that is the boost rear end also. But I didn't notice any unwanted lateral movement on the rear triangle, no.
Thanks so much for this! Bloody hell, just what I needed to see, a bike I don't want to afford that would drop the weight of my drop bar ATB by a bunch, and that actually would fit. I don't like the fact that it is boost, but I guess I am not going to win that one. In small this is pretty close to the 52 Sutra ULTD/LTD I now ride. With the lighter frame and carbon fork it would drop roughly 6 lbs. Hell that is only about $1000 CAD a pound, then again maybe not ;-).
Damn, Neil! This just might be the Goldilocks I’m looking for! My Chumba Stella ti is a gorgeous bike, but the geometry is “beyond” my needs and comfort zone. I wonder if I can outfit this gem with my Rohloff? Next problem? How to approach the wife on this potential purchase…..Hmmmm.
@@BIKEPACKINGcom 2.6 sounds more like an exploring rig. I've got a Cutthroat V2 but never missed more clearance than 2.4. But then again, I don't ride where you ride.
Oh and one other thing, the Kona Sutra ULTD you tested in large has a 400mm reach, 10 mm longer than the ALICE, but still 16 mm shorter than the Fenrir in Med. Hmm seatpost shims, they work great. And finally your audio sync is terrible, wow is it distracting.
AH, that's right. For what it's worth, Logan sent that Large my way, and it certainly was a bit large for me, but it worked. the ULTD 54 still has a long reach, 395mm. Also, UA-cam fixed the audio issue, sorry about that.
Tough call, I have not tested the ti version of the Stargazer, but I would assume its that much better. I do however really love this Fenrir, and still have it.
Correction to frame weight: All told the large titanium frame comes in at 916g or two pounds lighter than the steel version. the frame is not sub 1000g, but comes in at 1,814g. The medium bike I tested comes in at 10.64 kg (23.45 lbs). Sorry for the confusion.
I watched the first 2 mins and then came here to comment 🥳 as I’ve an old 26” On One 456Ti (Lynskey) and that frame weighed 1.75kg in a large.
At 1.8kg the Otso is light though for a 29”.
haha I came to comment, no way that large ti frame is less than a typical medium carbon frame! Thanks for the correction.
Nice to see external routing on a frame, ideal for tinkering. I love everything about my Bearclaw Thunderhawk except the internal routing. Ti is really worth the price of admission!
Nearing 300 miles on my Fenrir Ti and loving it. I'm just barely 5'8" and actually went with a small drop bar. I tried both the medium and the small and felt like either could probably work, but their recommendation was that if I was to be riding more loaded down the smaller frame might work better from a handling perspective. The bike is feeling great so no complaints on the direction I chose. I've been nicely surprised by the ENVE fork. Never had one before and it's very comfortable and has a lot of versatility. I'm coming from a Surly Ghost Grappler which has a VERY similar geometry and long reach, and the Fenrir felt right at home, but with much better components and a LOT less weight. Overall an awesome bike, despite the $$$
Have you tested how much weight the ENVE fork can load?
Great overview, Neil! Looks like a fun bike. Some Chumba Yaupon vibes for sure!
Miles, did you ever run the Yaupon as a flat bar?
Fantastic reporting and presentation Neil! Thanks for the thoughtfulness and thorough reflections on this bike and in all the work you put into this chanel and the website!
My pleasure, it was a fun one to put together. Thanks for watching.
Neil your short zip is open, now you have to redo the whole video 😁
LOL, i was wondering when someone would notice. I thought about redoing it, and said, "nope, that video was too long". LOL, thanks for watching.
@@BIKEPACKINGcom i also watched the video 😁 good content as usual
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I’m looking to replace my Chumba Stella ti…and I’m down now, to a Sklar or an Otso. Darn it all….choices choices! You mention that the “middle position insert” allows for “single speed or an internally geared hub”. Regarding the IGH, I immediately after watching this the first time, I reached out to Otso…and they stated that there bike CANNOT accommodate a Rohloff IGH (which I already own. Looks like I’m looking at the Sklar, now. I want a ti frame that can accommodate either a Rohloff, or that can be ordered with a Pinion Drive. Damn damn damn! Where is my American-made Goldilocks ride? As always, Neil, you do a phenomenal job of coming off a “natural professional” when making your videos! Ride on, ride safe, brother!
I would like this bike frame,if it kept gravel standard drop outs. It just makes it easier when you want to build up with your gravel bike parts. Perhaps if you have more of a mountain bike parts bin then this would be a “no brainer”
Seems like new school seat angle and old school reach doesn't add up a flat bar ATB that's enjoyable. On the drop bar front, I'd want a 74 STA to get the pressure off my hands when riding on level ground for hours on end.
So rad. Love the way you had it set up and so fun to see the Otso x Wolf Tooth fam getting some love! 🎉
Tengo 44 años y llevo montando en bicicleta desde que tengo uso de razon. La verdad es que cada dia estoy alucinando con el precio de las bicis de hoy en dia... Casi rozando la falta de respeto... En fin, el mundo moderno...
Awesome bike, Awesome View! 😎👍💯
Love the versatility, and really love 29plus compatibility.
Great review and interesting bike. I think something I wrong with the weight. According to Otso frame weight is 1814g for size L (Stainless is 2540g) sub 1kg is a pretty lightweight carbon frame.
my words got mixed up, I meant to say "All told the large titanium frame comes in at 916g or two pounds lighter than the steel version."
Reminds me a bit of my Bearclaw Beux Jaxon although it doesn’t have flip chips and I’d need to go wireless if I was going to do a dropper.
probably comes out of the same factory in china as the Titus/Planet x(UK) frames that cost US$1000 for frame or $2500 full build.
looks VERY similar, even the laser etching!
Very thorough review. Seems like the ideal adventurer's drop bar gravel bike for off-the-beaten path bikepacking trips. The TI frame and massive 2.6-in. tires would definitely act as suspension in most non-technical riding situations. Curious, with the sub 1000 gram frame, what did it weigh minus the bikepacking bags?
Thanks for watching! The medium with pedals and a bit of dirt on it came in at 10.64 kg (23.45 lbs). I should have added that in the review, but it is in the written portion: bikepacking.com/bikes/otso-fenrir-ti-review/
Sorry, my words got mixed up, 916 grams was the difference between the Ti and Steel version.
I'll add that my size small was nearly identical to the weight Neil posted. I think maybe only .05 lbs less.
Thanks for another excellent review Neil. The seat stays appear be fairly small in diameter, and tube thickness isn't noted. Did you notice lateral movement in the rear triangle?
The tubing is 16mm, which I think is pretty normal for a bike of this caliber. It still offers comfort while being snappy and predictable, perhaps part of that is the boost rear end also. But I didn't notice any unwanted lateral movement on the rear triangle, no.
Thanks so much for this! Bloody hell, just what I needed to see, a bike I don't want to afford that would drop the weight of my drop bar ATB by a bunch, and that actually would fit. I don't like the fact that it is boost, but I guess I am not going to win that one. In small this is pretty close to the 52 Sutra ULTD/LTD I now ride. With the lighter frame and carbon fork it would drop roughly 6 lbs. Hell that is only about $1000 CAD a pound, then again maybe not ;-).
Damn, Neil! This just might be the Goldilocks I’m looking for! My Chumba Stella ti is a gorgeous bike, but the geometry is “beyond” my needs and comfort zone. I wonder if I can outfit this gem with my Rohloff? Next problem? How to approach the wife on this potential purchase…..Hmmmm.
“The Wife” should be an avid Rider; although neither is mine.
I’d love to have a titanium frame some day
This would be a great project frame to build up.
Awesome & Thanks :)
Seems like it could be a really playful drop bar bike on the gravel flats, am I assuming that right?
You should do a vid on bike trackers = )
maybe something like this? bikepacking.com/plan/garmin-inreach-mini-review/
or this: bikepacking.com/gear/apple-airtag-review/
What's the rear rack you're using in some shots? It looks like it straps around the seatpost.
So a “claimed” bikepacking bike should have clearance for 2.6 tires? So the Cutthroat is not a real world bikepacking rig in your opinion?
Sure would be nice to have more clearance, I'm hoping they make that change. I've told them in the past that is one of the flaws of that bike.
@@BIKEPACKINGcom 2.6 sounds more like an exploring rig. I've got a Cutthroat V2 but never missed more clearance than 2.4. But then again, I don't ride where you ride.
I've got 2.6 Rekons on my Cutthroat. Plenty of room.
How does it compare to the Ti Fargo?
Oh and one other thing, the Kona Sutra ULTD you tested in large has a 400mm reach, 10 mm longer than the ALICE, but still 16 mm shorter than the Fenrir in Med. Hmm seatpost shims, they work great. And finally your audio sync is terrible, wow is it distracting.
AH, that's right. For what it's worth, Logan sent that Large my way, and it certainly was a bit large for me, but it worked. the ULTD 54 still has a long reach, 395mm. Also, UA-cam fixed the audio issue, sorry about that.
This vs Tumbleweed Stargazer Ti?
Tough call, I have not tested the ti version of the Stargazer, but I would assume its that much better. I do however really love this Fenrir, and still have it.
Looks like it wants a suspension fork, but it would be a world class snub to reject that Enve fork
I always like your takes Corey, you are spot on. I should throw a sus fork on but I
I think Enve may have some envy.
Everyone's talking about his fly but the audio mismatch starting at 7:45 is more jarring 😅
I'm working with UA-cam as we speak to fix the issue, but I may need to upload a new version. Sorry folks.
Audio issue is fixed.
Гарний велосипед, шкода що у нас такого не побачеш в живу.
Coolio
why would any one want only one by.
Plenty of reasons and plenty of people who feel that way.
This sounds like a salsa fargo ti.
Your fly is open
Yes!!!!! It is a fly, everyone was saying something else, thank you!
baby shark du du du . YOur Zip bro 😂 open
I'll pass 😂😂😂😂😂
Not for everyone. I see you also liked your own comment, nice
Can I join as a European?
The Collective? You bet, we have folks from all over the world that have joined.
@@BIKEPACKINGcom thanks, I'll join. I really love the work you guys put in! 👏
90s MTB, like forreal
Dude, your zipper is down.
But Is it?
@@BIKEPACKINGcom😂😂😂
Barn door.
I grew up calling it a fly.
If you're packing horse 🐎 size, it's barn door.
@@BIKEPACKINGcom ‘barn door’ was always used as code in public (at least with my dad) so it could be fixed without people catching on.