I hate shroud but "helped develop said game" means he loosely told some devs what he enjoyed in games and then when they followed his advice the game died in weeks.
I was a day 1 Apex player and got introduced to shroud that way. He’s doing the same thing with Rivals that he did then. First week of any new game he loves it. After that, the complaining begins. I’m not sure if he does this with every game but I guess that’s what happens when you play games for money and not enjoyment.
It happens to everyone who plays games for a very long time passionately. If i fall in love with a game i tend to kill hundreds and sometimes thousands of hours into it, and eventually you start noticing cracks that casuals won't, and you either keep it to yourself or complain. This is pretty normal for many. 1 of my latest examples could be helldivers 2, when it came out i played so much of it i was able to solo helldive difficulties, eventually maxing out everything. I wasn't able to solo that diff because i had such a good aim or anything, it's because i learned how flawed the ai is, how to take advantage of enemy weaknesses etc. While people complained about stalkers and whatnot at the beginning, those were the smallest issues for me and i noticed way bigger problems, and i wasn't alone, many others had similar experiences.
This is not a shroud problem this is just a competitive gamer problem. The first couple of weeks feel good because everything is new and fresh but then people start taking the game competitively and the issues start to show themselves and the more you notice them the more annoying they get.
Shroud needs to realize ult tracking and ult economy are major skills required to master these hero shooters, he can’t just expect to kill everyone just because he has good aim
People who are used to Headshot = Kill might struggle with this game. However, I don't think that's the case with Shroud though. He also got his fair share of experience with RPG games and such. And some of these games most likely have some form of ult tracking/ult economy included.
@@MrNinjafreak Majority of RPG never have ultimate skills, only a few does. Unless Shroud have played MOBAs like league of legends or any other hero shooters that isn't Apex...well ult economy isn't a skillset you would have.
he also doesn't understand how to make plays, all he does is shoot the enemy thats why you see him playing punisher so he can just farm stats and get carried. I'm a higher rank than him and I have no issue getting kills without using ults.
Eh, it's unfair that the only thing that these channels clip are these little snippets of conversations so it's building this perception on Shroud. A streamer has to talk about something while streaming so these little anecdotes tend get clipped when it's really not that serious.
I'm glad shroud clarified by saying "It's the downside of THESE games" . Exactly In such team based games with ultimate abilities, at high elo Ult economy is everything ! This is not marvel rivals specific . High elo is an entire world of its own for the super competitive 1% and we casuals would never experience it, so nothing to worry about.
Literally a problem with high elo in games even outside of hero shooters. When you reach such a high level that most people play almost flawlessly it becomes rare to find someone in a position to be punished, and KDAs start to float around single digits.
@@h3rpad3rpacifilis and then low elo casuals delude themselves to "I have a better KD than those pros! I must be in elo hell, the system is against me!" lel
I recall him crying like a kid that he had to stop playing Deadlock to do a SD stream, but now he doesn't even play Deadlock. So his attitude killed his own game over something he was gonna start complaining about and drop anyway lmao
why is shroud, the guy who was diamond in overwatch and admitted he couldn't make it to high elo in rivals without stacking with pros telling rivals players what is good and what isn't? He historically has sucked at all hero based shooters he's played because he just has no awareness. brother called ult tracking and economy boring because its a skill needed to play the game. you know what else is boring ? holding the same angle for 2 minutes in high elo cs and in his game spectre divide. brother gets dog walked by diamond players in OW and refused to stack with good players cuz he didn't want boost. but stacks in this game with actual pro players then complains that high elo is bad.
he's literally not complaining though. It's an observation of what the game is like at extremely high ranks, and he's not wrong that the game devolves into an ult economy, which for some people can be boring. I think the fact he's still playing the game and having fun would prove that he enjoys what he's doing
I have to disagree with shroud, you absolutely can and do get kills without ults in high elo. While yes in certain games with certain comps it can be more difficult, most of the time when it happens its because people just arent being aggressive enough and thats a you problem not a game problem. (i literally just played a game with shroud and timmy today and we def got plenty of kills without ulting). Side note being more aggro and applying more pressure can also help force defensive ults out which makes it even easier to get picks without your own ults as long as u can kite back once the ult is forced out.
People like shroud are just boosted by playing in stacks. They shouldn't be in high elo lobby because when they get high elo they start to say these delusion things about games they dont know how to play.
He was hard stuck on D3 for 2 weeks before Karova boosted him to GM1. He should pay the guy as his entire run to GM is just Karova hard carrying the entire lobby as Adam !!
The amount of players in this comment section shitting on Shroud is hilarious. Man in is GM talking about HIGH elo games, and you've got a bunch of silvers, golds and plats going "I dont like what he said so im going to bitch with no skill or knowledge to back up". Like guys, he never said the game is boring, its okay. He said that the ult economy that exists can be boring as many characters stuggle to kill when the enemy team has competent healers (something you know nothing about). If he thought the game was boring do you honestly think that he'd still be playing the game? Guy is a millionaire who's literally talked about how he plays whatever he wants because he's not going to cater to what his stream wants to watch
That’s every single video. I use to argue but I’m starting to think these people are just sad mfs. You could be the number one player and they understand where he’s coming from but lil Timmy knows more because he’s diamond or some dumb rank and yet he’s completely irrelevant to the devs and rest of the playerbase.
he didnt even say anything bad in this i dont get why ppl are hating on him sm for basic takes that most people would have, when your on a good team and ur vsing a good team it really does come down to ult farming for the most part and thats just a boring game imo, was also like that in ow but i dont really play that anymore so not sure if its evolved beyond that or not
Just made a factually true statement and people are getting butt hurt over it , most comp games that have ultimates revolve around ultimate management in high elo ultimates are what win team fights more often than not at least in high elo this isn't even exclusive to Marvel rivals it applies to OW, LoL, Apex, etc its just a thing
@@grupz5642 because the only people who are having these takes are as you fairly said (i paraphrase here) "good players vs good players" but at that point there's more to think about than in lower skill level lobbys because ult tracking and economy are suddenly that much more important, it's part of the game when you get to that higher skill level because for the most part things like mechanical skill and general game sense has balanced out by this point. It's not unjust to have a similar take to shroud cause it's not necessarily untrue but for someone like shroud who's been playing games for a long time and even at a professional level, should understand that for games like rivals win conditions change as you get better so for him to basically say (yet again paraphrased) that the game is now boring cause he can't just roll through teams is unjust. P.S if you got this far sorry for yapping but thanks for actually reading it 🙏 P.P.S ow is ult economy based as well but because it's 5v5 you have more of a chance to have a solo play without needing an ult compared to trading ults with the other team (but still a lot of it is just trading ults(any owcs game is the easiest example of that))
@@grupz5642 People hate on shroud because despite being GM, he thinks he should be higher and has the most surface level takes for someone who apparently should be a higher rank. For example I saw a clip of him saying that GM games are terrible right now since they are just coin tosses, where he's not wrong, but he's also the last person that should be complaining as he often 4 or 6 stacks. If he feels like those games are toss ups, then he is simply just hardstuck GM. And another reason why he feels that MR is about farming ult charges is because he simply isn't that much better than his opponents now mechanically. I've seen clips of the #1 starlord absolutely shredding enemies, not needing his ult to get kills, so if you can't get kills and need ult, nothing wrong with that since it's a very valid playstyle, but it just shows how surface level they're playing if they're complaining about it.
@@poofless3214 really really wrong 😂 ults don't win fights. most of the time, pros are making 1000 mistakes you're simply too bad at the game to even comprehend, and i say that with all due respect. this is coming from an ex tier 2 OW contenders player btw. the better players and the teams that win more are just the most consistent ones. Hero shooters? Consistency = W. Have the most consistent gameplay and you're the best player in the world.(not consistently bad of course... lol) I know a lot of pro players that do not ult track AT ALL. some of them barely track cooldowns like zarya bubbles and stuff that your favorite OW shittuber says is tHE mOsT iMpoRtAnT tHinG wHeN cOunTeRiNg a ZaRyAaa!!!!!
Not really true, but Shroud is relatively new to hero shooters, hardcore grinding them at least. If that's all Starlord was about, then the skill gaps between starlord players would be whoever gets ult fastest is the best and highest ranked but that's verifiably not true. You can get infinite value as Starlord by literally just saying "hey there" to the enemy team from a flank and annoying the F out of them. And things not dying? Welcome to hero shooters: Support players love healbotting. If healbotting wasn't a thing, there's no role for the bad players to get boosted by. Then the support/strategist role would be dead.
You’re so dumb. He’s literally saying what you said and you added +1 something he would agree with you on. His conclusion would still be that it’s boring. I agree with him that high elo is boring. Nothing happening just a bunch of time wasting until a ult appears.
Maybe he could try tracking enemy cooldowns... Its not all about aim you need some brain in these kind of games, that is why shroud never got high rank in overwatch to begin with
tracking enemy cooldowns isn't whats gonna make him a good player. it's understanding angles, space, and timing. ie: the core fundamentals that he doesn't even have yet and never built while playing OW
Thats a General Problem with Marvel Rivals atm. Burst damage and burst healing are way too strong. Because of Sustain being so strong (mainly Luna, Mantis), it forces burst damage Heros to be the best picks in the Game (Hela, Hawkeye). And ultimates have to be that strong to cut through all the Sustain. The Game rn feels almost like a GOATS-like Death-Ball-Sustain-Comp where you Stack on each other because Sustain is strong instead of being proactive and taking angles. I think If they want to improve the midfight of the Game, they need to adjust burst Healing and burst damage. Tbh I am okay with the Strategist role being more damage+Utility based than just raw Healing Output. This way all roles would be more about playmaking than Playdenial. Thats why the Strategist role is called "Strategist" and Not "Healer".
i really feel like if they nerfed luna and mantis' ults then the game would be so much more playable like unless you have the exact same heroes on ur team to ult when they do or someone like iron man to wipe the healers while theyre ulting then its legit just a team wipe because nothing you do can out damage or out heal the other team, also hawkeye and hela need a nerf but besides that i think for the most part the game is pretty balanced besides those 4 heroes
I hope they never, ever, ever do anything besides adjust the seasonal buffs. That's it, NO PASSIVES no global regen NO player design buffs/ nerfs. Just keep the seasonal buffs to shake up the meta. You start down this road of turning nobs and it never ends until the power creep reaches this level of crippling the player expression. Let the whole ladder have BANs introduce, hero's that have ANTI heal and we are sitting pretty. Not denying your observations about it feeling death bally- or the (only able to punish mistake feeling of a stalled mid fight) but I've seen the tinker toy buff/nerf approach in other games, not interested in it ever again.
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"The Game rn feels almost like a GOATS-like Death-Ball-Sustain-Comp where you Stack on each other because Sustain is strong instead of being proactive and taking angles." How to tell if someone is silver ranked? They haven't met a good black panther yet.
First of all, i am not silver. How would you even know that in the first place? Second of all, i did say "GOATS-LIKE". It doesnt mean it is exactly GOATS back in OW1. We do have more options against those type of comps with Moon Knight, Panther, Wolverine etc. But just because we have more options doesnt mean that the problem is fixed. Because we have so much Sustain and Burst impact in the Strategist role, everyone almost feels unkillable in the midfight of the game. And even in the Ult-fight it can be very hard to cut through because of Luna+Mantis Ults
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@@xXLJoseph We must be playing very different games then. Because in my high rank games, nothing stays alive unless support ults are up.
Thats legit just false if u watch any other streamrrs like necros or brooks or sinatraa thats actually good and can play the game, and not get carried in a 6 stack lol should make it duo q also im gm and on starlord i actually flank and pick a lot more than my ult timings, thisnguy is just a bot and having the best heals or tnsk in his team csrrying him , in solo q hes hardstuck diamond bruh play the game solo for one day ur gonna hear how bad he cries cause hes not winning getting diffed by enemy dps
dude got boosted by his teammates and now he's complaining he can't win games anymore. honestly, 3+ stacking shouldn't be thing after diamond. Make it duo queue at the most, but true skill is shown when you go solo into comp.
i think he makes a valid point, and i think the REAL problem is its not actually a problem with "these games" because overwatch has actually addressed the problem (HORRIBLY, BUT ITS STILL ADDRESSED) and if you play overwatch classic, you kind of realize right away the real reason that game was so fun was because "main healer/off support" never existed yet. and once we got ana, that was when healing started to become a problem...but even then ana's healing wasn't THAT big of an issue since her kit was kind of designed around balancing damage with healing with a single ammo resource. and moira kind of sucked...but once brig and bap came out, supports became less about utility, and more about mass healing numbers. so whats the problem? mass healing. high healing should be reserved for DEDICATED healers like weaver or mercy, and heros like bap, kiri, and moira should NOT have high healing numbers. and rivals basically LAUNCHED with this problem. with luna, mantis, and dagger all having INSANE healing alongside their utility being top notch. and each of them having zen levels of defensive ultimate DESPITE zen having low healing SPECIFICALLY to compensate for such a strong ultimate(for its time)+utility. my main point is rivals literally launched with the SAME EXACT PROBLEM that plagues overwatch currently, and unlike overwatch who took a risk and failed, rivals just didn't bother addressing it, so healing is INSANELY STRONG. so ultimates are NEEDED to do anything (sound familiar?) both rivals and overwatch need to retcon how they see healing, because high healing makes EVERYONE unhappy. nobody likes to healbot, nobody likes to see stall metas, and nobody likes seeing tanks be unkillable.
It's not the honeymoon phase, it's just shroud being salty he's hard stuck. Hes like this in every game. He expects to win every game because he has good aim
@@stevedoe8622 or, its because he's simply not a fan of the forced ult economy that comes with playing at the ranks he's at? He said that part of the game is boring, and that it's a problem in every game like this, but he's also talked about how much he loves these games. You're just pissy cause you have no context and want to think he's hating when he's not
@@stevedoe8622 you cannot deny that there is too much sustains in Rivals, there are multiple supports ult that make you invincible for long period of times and there are tons of AOE healing
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Could you add time stamps for each streamer? i'll appreaciate it
4 stacking isn't enough to carry anyone in high rank if they're playing DPS, if one of your dps isn't at the right level you're going to get stuck pretty rapidly
Shroud are utterly wrong in this take in the case of hero shooters it is intentional that you simply can't finish of people that quickly because if it was like that this suddenly turned into a FPS game like Apex rather than a hero shooter so the point is you need to strugle to take kills which is why this genre is fun to play if that will be remove it became sucks
Dude high level apex you have people spraying each other for like 7 to 10 seconds each to only destroy a shield or to down someone and they still aren't out of a fight there since they can be revived
Sp instead the game becomes??? Waiting until ults and then making a all in play. That's boring. Healers need to be nerfed so the game can actually progress without the need for ults and an all in play
@gregzurita7955 pretty much what half of the playerbase is saying but first it needs to be seen how the nerf to the sniper characters and the addition to the new heroes affect the game
as a gm1 starlord main i get 75-90% of my kills with normal primary fire with no ult (since half of the time my ult gets countered by support ults) maybe im doing something wrong and tahts why im not eternity..... or maybe shroud sucks at finishing targets
You definitely are doing something wrong since you're not eternity but don't beat yourself up too hard, you're doing less things wrong than 99.99% of the playerbase. Obviously your gameplay always needs improving or you'd be rank 1 right now.
Like the previous guy said your clearly very good at the game and maybe the thing your doing wrong that is keeping you out of eternity is ult tracking/timing.
@kylesmith987 i agree, but my whole point was shroud sucks / and or stuck in mentality hell he genuinely thinks that nothing is killable without ults in high elo, like his starlord take can be true for some gm starlords but defo not for me lol as an ex ow gm/top500 player i can defo understand the feeling of "nothing is dying" but its all comes down to synergy issues, gamesense issues and overall skill issue
@@ggolden Nah man your blowing this out of proportion. You have formed this entire opinion on shroud based on 1 clip. Saying someone in GM sucks is ridiculous, get off your high horse. I bet you have had just as many shit takes about a game as well, maybe try streaming as well and lets see how many random opinions you have that everyone is going to shit on and blow completely out of proportion. The simple fact of the matter is that you are talking about someone that has played multiple FPS games professionally and has won on the biggest stages. He is not stuck due to some mental issue he is simply pointing out an opinion he has about the game that isn't even entirely wrong. I won't go as far as to say he is entirely correct or that there isn't things to improve on because that applies to literally everyone but supports do define a lot of the meta at the highest level and they absolutely do an oppressive amount of healing in this game especially with how easy it is for them to charge their ultimate's. If you were genuinely a gm/top500 player in OW then you know as well as I do how some of the metas were absolutely defined by crazy powerful supports and tanks where almost nothing ever died without some crazy ult trades because those metas existed in OW as well.
@kylesmith987 i saw a wall of text and i gave up, also shroud was a hardstuck plat in ow for a reason lol btw he is stacking with some of the best ladder players and he still struggles soooooo idk... : shrug :
Not rage baiting or anything but watching tenz and shroud playing rivals is borderline boring, always complaining and losing, while sinatra trolling around and got eternity on his ALT account
@@Maikeldassi I thinks it's insane that people don't realize how good starlord is. That's fine I'll fly under the radar destroying lobbies as long as I can
@testtube173 because that's who dictates the meta. If you use bronze logic, then scarlet witch and iron fist would be s tier in pro play. Imagine not knowing who dictates the meta
@@testtube173 you said "people don't realize how good starlord is". the guy told you people do know and gave an example, and you managed to come up with the most borderline special Ed response you could come up with? 😂
Crazy how he made a new channel specifically for Marvel Rivals and then has a streamer complaining about the game every day. That’s not what I came here for. Overwatch made your career on UA-cam, and Ik it's dying doesn’t mean you should discredit a game others like and add it as a video where a pro is complaining about SEASON 0 gameplay
idk the hate for shroud im not even a fan of his but the hate is crazy for just the most basic luke warm takes, ive put around 60 hours into the game and im not a pro or anything but what he said is legit true and it also applied to ow which you should know so i dont get why your disagreeing with something that is just factually true
@@grupz5642I think it's not necessarily about this take, it's about the hundred others that he did not just for Rivals. He seems to be complaining shooter games having more than just shooting.
Yeah, Basically what needs to happen is more supports need to become like Adam Warlock ( more offensive support abilities and cooldown based ) and less like luna snow ( constantly keeping team alive and countering death killing plays with her ultimate ) . Probably why Luna and mantis get banned so often.
So basically, you're right that supports should be more damage centered and less sustain heavy, but shroud's logic doesn't make any sense in arguing that.
Baby shroud crying again because his aim is not enough to get him to the top. Seems like bro has no game sense for hero shooters. Go back to PUBG kid or hire a coach.
Nah don't listen to the stupid genius that is Shroud (yeah aim god i know but dude always have problem in easy puzzle in game lol) or even listen to pros at all
The game does get boring at a high level. Everyone plays basically the same way. Then you are so dependent on your teammates ulting properly or you lose the fight. If your mantis or luna wastes their ult it's gg a the highest level.
Randoms should get random matching prioritized. 2 stacks plus get priority matched. If no matches then randoms get 2 stacks to start then the 3 and up stacks. These people aren’t good they just communicate and don’t have to worry about being called the N word or some slur about gay etc.
Feel as if it's clipped out of context but Shroud right there, he has amazing tracking but his complaint is why they need to put placements lol. Most high elo players (Mainly OW players) don't even need ults as dps to be dominating. Luna's main issue is her ult just last a LOOONG time, if they nerf that slightly I'd be fine with her. Only way you can deal with it is an ult of your own that does enough damage to one shot.
I love how insecure rivals players first order of defense is to insult shroud instead of considering what he said as actual criticism of a rank most of them will never reach in their lives. The people explaining how it’s a fundamental part of hero shooters at least can consider it and offer a good counter argument instead of just relying on insults because they actually understand this game. No criticism mentality is how games die because they never fix their issues. In this case it’s an inherent “issue” for all team based shooters.
When is shroud gonna realize this isn’t a tdm shooter? But the one bone I’ll throw him is the sustain in this game is a bit overtuned, mainly cause of Luna, mantis, Loki, and dagger.
why are people hating on shroud so much, the marvel rivals community is getting as bad if not worse than the ow 2 community already its crazy like all he said was in hero shooters in high elo ppl tend to just not die and its just a boring match and ur just farming for ult to win and thats legit how ow is half the time too so idk why people are so mad about it cause thats just what happens in game if both teams are good
You know whats more boring? Spectre divide, which shroud played 1 day and let die on the vine(he helped develop said game).
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you do know multiple streamers own that game and its not only Shroud ? or are you just calling shroud coz he is popular?
I hate shroud but "helped develop said game" means he loosely told some devs what he enjoyed in games and then when they followed his advice the game died in weeks.
@@testtube173 Probably he gave them some money too.
@@testtube173he invested a ton of money in the game
Hes hard stuck while 3 stacking because thats his skill lvl. Bro just cant accept that he already hit his skill ceiling.
I was a day 1 Apex player and got introduced to shroud that way. He’s doing the same thing with Rivals that he did then. First week of any new game he loves it. After that, the complaining begins. I’m not sure if he does this with every game but I guess that’s what happens when you play games for money and not enjoyment.
It happens to everyone who plays games for a very long time passionately. If i fall in love with a game i tend to kill hundreds and sometimes thousands of hours into it, and eventually you start noticing cracks that casuals won't, and you either keep it to yourself or complain. This is pretty normal for many.
1 of my latest examples could be helldivers 2, when it came out i played so much of it i was able to solo helldive difficulties, eventually maxing out everything. I wasn't able to solo that diff because i had such a good aim or anything, it's because i learned how flawed the ai is, how to take advantage of enemy weaknesses etc. While people complained about stalkers and whatnot at the beginning, those were the smallest issues for me and i noticed way bigger problems, and i wasn't alone, many others had similar experiences.
He does it with every game, did it with POE2 right before this game.
This is not a shroud problem this is just a competitive gamer problem. The first couple of weeks feel good because everything is new and fresh but then people start taking the game competitively and the issues start to show themselves and the more you notice them the more annoying they get.
Shroud needs to realize ult tracking and ult economy are major skills required to master these hero shooters, he can’t just expect to kill everyone just because he has good aim
People who are used to Headshot = Kill might struggle with this game. However, I don't think that's the case with Shroud though. He also got his fair share of experience with RPG games and such. And some of these games most likely have some form of ult tracking/ult economy included.
@@MrNinjafreak Majority of RPG never have ultimate skills, only a few does. Unless Shroud have played MOBAs like league of legends or any other hero shooters that isn't Apex...well ult economy isn't a skillset you would have.
@@MrNinjafreakso true
But its indeed boring as hell lol, shroud is right and you all are dumb
he also doesn't understand how to make plays, all he does is shoot the enemy thats why you see him playing punisher so he can just farm stats and get carried. I'm a higher rank than him and I have no issue getting kills without using ults.
Can shroud maybe just stop complaining?
He's not wrong about the ult thing tho...
He's a professional complainer
@@Knlght0fZeroit like that for all team based not just marvel specifically
Eh, it's unfair that the only thing that these channels clip are these little snippets of conversations so it's building this perception on Shroud. A streamer has to talk about something while streaming so these little anecdotes tend get clipped when it's really not that serious.
Maybe shroud should start complaining about his own game Spectre Divide 😂😂😂 bro's been ignoring it
I'm glad shroud clarified by saying "It's the downside of THESE games" . Exactly In such team based games with ultimate abilities, at high elo Ult economy is everything ! This is not marvel rivals specific .
High elo is an entire world of its own for the super competitive 1% and we casuals would never experience it, so nothing to worry about.
"no you're wrong, I am silver in overwatch since 2018 and I can guarantee you it's not my fault, I deserve GM but my team is always bad"
@dziosdzynes7663 nahhh hahahha. I played on my cousin's account and got his account to Diamond 3 from Bronze 3 in a day lmao. You're just bad.
imagine he plays dota2 hahaha
Literally a problem with high elo in games even outside of hero shooters. When you reach such a high level that most people play almost flawlessly it becomes rare to find someone in a position to be punished, and KDAs start to float around single digits.
@@h3rpad3rpacifilis and then low elo casuals delude themselves to "I have a better KD than those pros! I must be in elo hell, the system is against me!" lel
Is it as boring as Spectre Divide tho?
lmfao
I recall him crying like a kid that he had to stop playing Deadlock to do a SD stream, but now he doesn't even play Deadlock. So his attitude killed his own game over something he was gonna start complaining about and drop anyway lmao
Cant even get past the lobby to find players
Yes
why is shroud, the guy who was diamond in overwatch and admitted he couldn't make it to high elo in rivals without stacking with pros telling rivals players what is good and what isn't? He historically has sucked at all hero based shooters he's played because he just has no awareness. brother called ult tracking and economy boring because its a skill needed to play the game. you know what else is boring ? holding the same angle for 2 minutes in high elo cs and in his game spectre divide. brother gets dog walked by diamond players in OW and refused to stack with good players cuz he didn't want boost. but stacks in this game with actual pro players then complains that high elo is bad.
Can you not put shroud complaining in your videos please. Nobody is trying to watch a grown man cry about his job
he's literally not complaining though. It's an observation of what the game is like at extremely high ranks, and he's not wrong that the game devolves into an ult economy, which for some people can be boring. I think the fact he's still playing the game and having fun would prove that he enjoys what he's doing
@@gavinkenway6900 he is wrong
@@gavinkenway6900 he got carry from d3 tho. so he doesn't know who the game works
I completly dont fw shroud statement here cuz he could be the most boring person in esport history.
I have to disagree with shroud, you absolutely can and do get kills without ults in high elo. While yes in certain games with certain comps it can be more difficult, most of the time when it happens its because people just arent being aggressive enough and thats a you problem not a game problem. (i literally just played a game with shroud and timmy today and we def got plenty of kills without ulting). Side note being more aggro and applying more pressure can also help force defensive ults out which makes it even easier to get picks without your own ults as long as u can kite back once the ult is forced out.
People like shroud are just boosted by playing in stacks. They shouldn't be in high elo lobby because when they get high elo they start to say these delusion things about games they dont know how to play.
He was hard stuck on D3 for 2 weeks before Karova boosted him to GM1. He should pay the guy as his entire run to GM is just Karova hard carrying the entire lobby as Adam !!
"Jarvis delete the last 5 seconds." lmao
The amount of players in this comment section shitting on Shroud is hilarious. Man in is GM talking about HIGH elo games, and you've got a bunch of silvers, golds and plats going "I dont like what he said so im going to bitch with no skill or knowledge to back up". Like guys, he never said the game is boring, its okay. He said that the ult economy that exists can be boring as many characters stuggle to kill when the enemy team has competent healers (something you know nothing about). If he thought the game was boring do you honestly think that he'd still be playing the game? Guy is a millionaire who's literally talked about how he plays whatever he wants because he's not going to cater to what his stream wants to watch
That’s every single video. I use to argue but I’m starting to think these people are just sad mfs. You could be the number one player and they understand where he’s coming from but lil Timmy knows more because he’s diamond or some dumb rank and yet he’s completely irrelevant to the devs and rest of the playerbase.
I've seen a hundred sinatraa games of Starlord because BP is always banned. He kills everyone with or without ult.
High Rank is always boring at any game because it's a Serious environment at the exception of fighting games.
shroud seems to never disappoint me when it comes to not understanding video games outside of the super basic games like csgo
he didnt even say anything bad in this i dont get why ppl are hating on him sm for basic takes that most people would have, when your on a good team and ur vsing a good team it really does come down to ult farming for the most part and thats just a boring game imo, was also like that in ow but i dont really play that anymore so not sure if its evolved beyond that or not
Just made a factually true statement and people are getting butt hurt over it , most comp games that have ultimates revolve around ultimate management in high elo
ultimates are what win team fights more often than not at least in high elo this isn't even exclusive to Marvel rivals it applies to OW, LoL, Apex, etc its just a thing
@@grupz5642 because the only people who are having these takes are as you fairly said (i paraphrase here) "good players vs good players" but at that point there's more to think about than in lower skill level lobbys because ult tracking and economy are suddenly that much more important, it's part of the game when you get to that higher skill level because for the most part things like mechanical skill and general game sense has balanced out by this point. It's not unjust to have a similar take to shroud cause it's not necessarily untrue but for someone like shroud who's been playing games for a long time and even at a professional level, should understand that for games like rivals win conditions change as you get better so for him to basically say (yet again paraphrased) that the game is now boring cause he can't just roll through teams is unjust.
P.S if you got this far sorry for yapping but thanks for actually reading it 🙏
P.P.S ow is ult economy based as well but because it's 5v5 you have more of a chance to have a solo play without needing an ult compared to trading ults with the other team (but still a lot of it is just trading ults(any owcs game is the easiest example of that))
@@grupz5642 People hate on shroud because despite being GM, he thinks he should be higher and has the most surface level takes for someone who apparently should be a higher rank. For example I saw a clip of him saying that GM games are terrible right now since they are just coin tosses, where he's not wrong, but he's also the last person that should be complaining as he often 4 or 6 stacks. If he feels like those games are toss ups, then he is simply just hardstuck GM. And another reason why he feels that MR is about farming ult charges is because he simply isn't that much better than his opponents now mechanically. I've seen clips of the #1 starlord absolutely shredding enemies, not needing his ult to get kills, so if you can't get kills and need ult, nothing wrong with that since it's a very valid playstyle, but it just shows how surface level they're playing if they're complaining about it.
@@poofless3214 really really wrong 😂 ults don't win fights. most of the time, pros are making 1000 mistakes you're simply too bad at the game to even comprehend, and i say that with all due respect. this is coming from an ex tier 2 OW contenders player btw. the better players and the teams that win more are just the most consistent ones. Hero shooters? Consistency = W. Have the most consistent gameplay and you're the best player in the world.(not consistently bad of course... lol)
I know a lot of pro players that do not ult track AT ALL. some of them barely track cooldowns like zarya bubbles and stuff that your favorite OW shittuber says is tHE mOsT iMpoRtAnT tHinG wHeN cOunTeRiNg a ZaRyAaa!!!!!
The high level OW players became high level Rivals players and will be a part of the process of making the game less fun by repeating history.
2:07 this is exactly how i imagine all wolverine players acting when terrorizing a map 😂😂
Not really true, but Shroud is relatively new to hero shooters, hardcore grinding them at least.
If that's all Starlord was about, then the skill gaps between starlord players would be whoever gets ult fastest is the best and highest ranked but that's verifiably not true.
You can get infinite value as Starlord by literally just saying "hey there" to the enemy team from a flank and annoying the F out of them.
And things not dying? Welcome to hero shooters: Support players love healbotting. If healbotting wasn't a thing, there's no role for the bad players to get boosted by. Then the support/strategist role would be dead.
You’re so dumb. He’s literally saying what you said and you added +1 something he would agree with you on. His conclusion would still be that it’s boring. I agree with him that high elo is boring. Nothing happening just a bunch of time wasting until a ult appears.
shroud is like an enigma its okay to hear his opinion out but his opinions are not even close to what average players think.
Maybe he could try tracking enemy cooldowns... Its not all about aim you need some brain in these kind of games, that is why shroud never got high rank in overwatch to begin with
THIS RIGHT HERE!!!
tracking enemy cooldowns isn't whats gonna make him a good player. it's understanding angles, space, and timing. ie: the core fundamentals that he doesn't even have yet and never built while playing OW
kinda crazy how i seen multiple of these clips live yesterday no other game has had me locked in the twitch community like this
Why we seeing older clips?
Thats a General Problem with Marvel Rivals atm. Burst damage and burst healing are way too strong. Because of Sustain being so strong (mainly Luna, Mantis), it forces burst damage Heros to be the best picks in the Game (Hela, Hawkeye). And ultimates have to be that strong to cut through all the Sustain.
The Game rn feels almost like a GOATS-like Death-Ball-Sustain-Comp where you Stack on each other because Sustain is strong instead of being proactive and taking angles.
I think If they want to improve the midfight of the Game, they need to adjust burst Healing and burst damage. Tbh I am okay with the Strategist role being more damage+Utility based than just raw Healing Output. This way all roles would be more about playmaking than Playdenial.
Thats why the Strategist role is called "Strategist" and Not "Healer".
i really feel like if they nerfed luna and mantis' ults then the game would be so much more playable like unless you have the exact same heroes on ur team to ult when they do or someone like iron man to wipe the healers while theyre ulting then its legit just a team wipe because nothing you do can out damage or out heal the other team, also hawkeye and hela need a nerf but besides that i think for the most part the game is pretty balanced besides those 4 heroes
I hope they never, ever, ever do anything besides adjust the seasonal buffs. That's it, NO PASSIVES no global regen NO player design buffs/ nerfs. Just keep the seasonal buffs to shake up the meta. You start down this road of turning nobs and it never ends until the power creep reaches this level of crippling the player expression. Let the whole ladder have BANs introduce, hero's that have ANTI heal and we are sitting pretty. Not denying your observations about it feeling death bally- or the (only able to punish mistake feeling of a stalled mid fight) but I've seen the tinker toy buff/nerf approach in other games, not interested in it ever again.
"The Game rn feels almost like a GOATS-like Death-Ball-Sustain-Comp where you Stack on each other because Sustain is strong instead of being proactive and taking angles."
How to tell if someone is silver ranked?
They haven't met a good black panther yet.
First of all, i am not silver. How would you even know that in the first place?
Second of all, i did say "GOATS-LIKE". It doesnt mean it is exactly GOATS back in OW1. We do have more options against those type of comps with Moon Knight, Panther, Wolverine etc.
But just because we have more options doesnt mean that the problem is fixed. Because we have so much Sustain and Burst impact in the Strategist role, everyone almost feels unkillable in the midfight of the game. And even in the Ult-fight it can be very hard to cut through because of Luna+Mantis Ults
@@xXLJoseph We must be playing very different games then. Because in my high rank games, nothing stays alive unless support ults are up.
This Banner MVP glitch 🤣🤣I'm can't breathe
If that's the only downside, he should be glad it's not something more fundamental, as it skips a lot of steps to reach that level.
Shroud says the game is boring but I never see him play characters outside of his niche
team coordination shroud literally the point of the game
Thats legit just false if u watch any other streamrrs like necros or brooks or sinatraa thats actually good and can play the game, and not get carried in a 6 stack lol should make it duo q also im gm and on starlord i actually flank and pick a lot more than my ult timings, thisnguy is just a bot and having the best heals or tnsk in his team csrrying him , in solo q hes hardstuck diamond bruh play the game solo for one day ur gonna hear how bad he cries cause hes not winning getting diffed by enemy dps
dude got boosted by his teammates and now he's complaining he can't win games anymore. honestly, 3+ stacking shouldn't be thing after diamond. Make it duo queue at the most, but true skill is shown when you go solo into comp.
Shroud’s no longer one of us. And hasn’t been for some time. Since he moved into his $10m mansion.
i think he makes a valid point, and i think the REAL problem is its not actually a problem with "these games" because overwatch has actually addressed the problem (HORRIBLY, BUT ITS STILL ADDRESSED) and if you play overwatch classic, you kind of realize right away the real reason that game was so fun was because "main healer/off support" never existed yet. and once we got ana, that was when healing started to become a problem...but even then ana's healing wasn't THAT big of an issue since her kit was kind of designed around balancing damage with healing with a single ammo resource. and moira kind of sucked...but once brig and bap came out, supports became less about utility, and more about mass healing numbers.
so whats the problem? mass healing. high healing should be reserved for DEDICATED healers like weaver or mercy, and heros like bap, kiri, and moira should NOT have high healing numbers. and rivals basically LAUNCHED with this problem. with luna, mantis, and dagger all having INSANE healing alongside their utility being top notch. and each of them having zen levels of defensive ultimate DESPITE zen having low healing SPECIFICALLY to compensate for such a strong ultimate(for its time)+utility.
my main point is rivals literally launched with the SAME EXACT PROBLEM that plagues overwatch currently, and unlike overwatch who took a risk and failed, rivals just didn't bother addressing it, so healing is INSANELY STRONG. so ultimates are NEEDED to do anything (sound familiar?)
both rivals and overwatch need to retcon how they see healing, because high healing makes EVERYONE unhappy. nobody likes to healbot, nobody likes to see stall metas, and nobody likes seeing tanks be unkillable.
Overwatch classic is such a bad experience
Funny that Team Captain will give Necros props.
honeymoon phase over now we see who leaves and who stays
It's not the honeymoon phase, it's just shroud being salty he's hard stuck. Hes like this in every game. He expects to win every game because he has good aim
@@stevedoe8622 hardstuck T500?
@@Sac-chan hes not t500. Not even close.
@@stevedoe8622 or, its because he's simply not a fan of the forced ult economy that comes with playing at the ranks he's at? He said that part of the game is boring, and that it's a problem in every game like this, but he's also talked about how much he loves these games. You're just pissy cause you have no context and want to think he's hating when he's not
@@stevedoe8622 you cannot deny that there is too much sustains in Rivals, there are multiple supports ult that make you invincible for long period of times and there are tons of AOE healing
Could you add time stamps for each streamer? i'll appreaciate it
05:31 Mr. Fantastic is already in the game?
I would like to point out that Shroud wouldnt even know what gameplay at high elo is like because he's been hardstuck in grandmaster while 4 stacking.
4 stacking isn't enough to carry anyone in high rank if they're playing DPS, if one of your dps isn't at the right level you're going to get stuck pretty rapidly
oh we get it, its not your genre shroud we get it.
Shroud are utterly wrong in this take in the case of hero shooters it is intentional that you simply can't finish of people that quickly because if it was like that this suddenly turned into a FPS game like Apex rather than a hero shooter so the point is you need to strugle to take kills which is why this genre is fun to play if that will be remove it became sucks
Dude high level apex you have people spraying each other for like 7 to 10 seconds each to only destroy a shield or to down someone and they still aren't out of a fight there since they can be revived
Sp instead the game becomes??? Waiting until ults and then making a all in play. That's boring. Healers need to be nerfed so the game can actually progress without the need for ults and an all in play
@gregzurita7955 pretty much what half of the playerbase is saying but first it needs to be seen how the nerf to the sniper characters and the addition to the new heroes affect the game
I like how the only chipsa clips you're showing are fail clips
Do you pick these clips, and or is there somewhere we can submit ours?
ik shroud aint talking about starlord being boring while hes playing punisher
I see Chipsa is still unlucky. Some things really never changes LOL. 😂🤣
Upload a video without shroud bait and thumbnail for every video - Challenge impossible
Every highlight is Shroud complaining
this shroud been complaining every new game he plays
as a gm1 starlord main i get 75-90% of my kills with normal primary fire with no ult (since half of the time my ult gets countered by support ults) maybe im doing something wrong and tahts why im not eternity..... or maybe shroud sucks at finishing targets
You definitely are doing something wrong since you're not eternity but don't beat yourself up too hard, you're doing less things wrong than 99.99% of the playerbase. Obviously your gameplay always needs improving or you'd be rank 1 right now.
Like the previous guy said your clearly very good at the game and maybe the thing your doing wrong that is keeping you out of eternity is ult tracking/timing.
@kylesmith987 i agree, but my whole point was shroud sucks / and or stuck in mentality hell
he genuinely thinks that nothing is killable without ults in high elo, like his starlord take can be true for some gm starlords but defo not for me lol
as an ex ow gm/top500 player i can defo understand the feeling of "nothing is dying" but its all comes down to synergy issues, gamesense issues and overall skill issue
@@ggolden Nah man your blowing this out of proportion. You have formed this entire opinion on shroud based on 1 clip. Saying someone in GM sucks is ridiculous, get off your high horse. I bet you have had just as many shit takes about a game as well, maybe try streaming as well and lets see how many random opinions you have that everyone is going to shit on and blow completely out of proportion.
The simple fact of the matter is that you are talking about someone that has played multiple FPS games professionally and has won on the biggest stages. He is not stuck due to some mental issue he is simply pointing out an opinion he has about the game that isn't even entirely wrong. I won't go as far as to say he is entirely correct or that there isn't things to improve on because that applies to literally everyone but supports do define a lot of the meta at the highest level and they absolutely do an oppressive amount of healing in this game especially with how easy it is for them to charge their ultimate's.
If you were genuinely a gm/top500 player in OW then you know as well as I do how some of the metas were absolutely defined by crazy powerful supports and tanks where almost nothing ever died without some crazy ult trades because those metas existed in OW as well.
@kylesmith987 i saw a wall of text and i gave up, also shroud was a hardstuck plat in ow for a reason lol
btw he is stacking with some of the best ladder players and he still struggles soooooo idk... : shrug :
bro played the game for 1 month and think hes the marvel god
Of course top level is the most fun as the meta is getting figured out. That’s literally every game
0 hela / hawkeye clips is crazy
Even if I can't submit my own clips I still miss noobhunter commentating
Not rage baiting or anything but watching tenz and shroud playing rivals is borderline boring, always complaining and losing, while sinatra trolling around and got eternity on his ALT account
the professional complainer open his mouth again
Shroud never seen sinatraa starlord
@@Maikeldassi I thinks it's insane that people don't realize how good starlord is. That's fine I'll fly under the radar destroying lobbies as long as I can
@testtube173 they do know how good he is. He's played a ton in t500 and pro plays
@@stevedoe8622 imagine not knowing that top 500 and pro players account for less then 1% of all players.
@testtube173 because that's who dictates the meta. If you use bronze logic, then scarlet witch and iron fist would be s tier in pro play. Imagine not knowing who dictates the meta
@@testtube173 you said "people don't realize how good starlord is". the guy told you people do know and gave an example, and you managed to come up with the most borderline special Ed response you could come up with? 😂
5:11 cause why not lol xD
Crazy how he made a new channel specifically for Marvel Rivals and then has a streamer complaining about the game every day. That’s not what I came here for. Overwatch made your career on UA-cam, and Ik it's dying doesn’t mean you should discredit a game others like and add it as a video where a pro is complaining about SEASON 0 gameplay
This dude has never had any team sense and only ever complains about games. Kinda tiring tbh.
get these shroud clips out of here nobody wants these toxic thumbnails for a new game thats thriving it makes no sense
Yeah lets cater to 1000 people instead of 20mil and watch the game slowly die. I swear it happened to another game
I feel like most of the vids you make start with Shroud complaining...
10:20 ....Did someone edit in a fake announcer and have him say the N-word?
Shroud when the shooter game actually is more than just good aim be like:
The fact this guy is popular is insane
idk the hate for shroud im not even a fan of his but the hate is crazy for just the most basic luke warm takes, ive put around 60 hours into the game and im not a pro or anything but what he said is legit true and it also applied to ow which you should know so i dont get why your disagreeing with something that is just factually true
@@grupz5642I think it's not necessarily about this take, it's about the hundred others that he did not just for Rivals. He seems to be complaining shooter games having more than just shooting.
Shroud discovering Rivals following the same arch that overwatch did lol
Yeah, Basically what needs to happen is more supports need to become like Adam Warlock ( more offensive support abilities and cooldown based ) and less like luna snow ( constantly keeping team alive and countering death killing plays with her ultimate ) . Probably why Luna and mantis get banned so often.
So basically, you're right that supports should be more damage centered and less sustain heavy, but shroud's logic doesn't make any sense in arguing that.
Another Noobhunter vid, another Shroud complaining clip
no more boring than his stream im sure
Shroud is catching so many strays because he is getting used for clickbait. I agree that he should stop complaining, but kind of unfair.
10:21 ???
shroud never got high rank in overwatch i assume LOL
Mmmm Maximum pulse!!
You know whats boring?
Shroud.
Shroud is boring.
Baby shroud crying again because his aim is not enough to get him to the top. Seems like bro has no game sense for hero shooters. Go back to PUBG kid or hire a coach.
Why does seagull always play the most annoying no skill required charachters in every game ever?
Nah don't listen to the stupid genius that is Shroud (yeah aim god i know but dude always have problem in easy puzzle in game lol) or even listen to pros at all
能提出建设性意见的话 开发者会倾听的
The game does get boring at a high level. Everyone plays basically the same way. Then you are so dependent on your teammates ulting properly or you lose the fight.
If your mantis or luna wastes their ult it's gg a the highest level.
shroud needs to retire from fps/shooters because he will never provide anything useful to the genre or the community. his days are long gone.
Bogur being elitist again. How surprising.
Yeah shroud is re T yARD
Good thing shrouds self entitled rich man opinion doesn't matter then right? 😂
Quit farming shroud everytime bro says even one thing remotely negative about the game in a 6 hr stream.
Shroud is kinda just bad and washed
yikes not this cry baby again
Randoms should get random matching prioritized. 2 stacks plus get priority matched. If no matches then randoms get 2 stacks to start then the 3 and up stacks. These people aren’t good they just communicate and don’t have to worry about being called the N word or some slur about gay etc.
L take Shroud
Wahh
Feel as if it's clipped out of context but Shroud right there, he has amazing tracking but his complaint is why they need to put placements lol.
Most high elo players (Mainly OW players) don't even need ults as dps to be dominating.
Luna's main issue is her ult just last a LOOONG time, if they nerf that slightly I'd be fine with her. Only way you can deal with it is an ult of your own that does enough damage to one shot.
That is also the problem in Overwatch you just press 1 button and it’s stops dps from doing anything. If you ask me both games have a support problem
4:10
Eskay: noooooooo
I love how insecure rivals players first order of defense is to insult shroud instead of considering what he said as actual criticism of a rank most of them will never reach in their lives. The people explaining how it’s a fundamental part of hero shooters at least can consider it and offer a good counter argument instead of just relying on insults because they actually understand this game. No criticism mentality is how games die because they never fix their issues. In this case it’s an inherent “issue” for all team based shooters.
Shroud is boring
shrouds a bot lmao he peaked plat in OW1 lil bro should just stick with the battle royales im Eternity btw so dont @ me bums.
When is shroud gonna realize this isn’t a tdm shooter? But the one bone I’ll throw him is the sustain in this game is a bit overtuned, mainly cause of Luna, mantis, Loki, and dagger.
why are people hating on shroud so much, the marvel rivals community is getting as bad if not worse than the ow 2 community already its crazy like all he said was in hero shooters in high elo ppl tend to just not die and its just a boring match and ur just farming for ult to win and thats legit how ow is half the time too so idk why people are so mad about it cause thats just what happens in game if both teams are good
Why are the comments so hurt lmao, nobody here is high high elo like him, to say if is true or not that the games are boring there
The only one that can kill in high rank is Hawkeye and Hela because of their insane damage
I agree. Marvel rivals is too casual with theese strong ults
Nooobhunter eating good ever since dropping apex for marvel 😂
Shroud is not wrong 😂