Most Simple But Most Versatile Amp Ever?? 1960s Fender Blackface Bassman!
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- Опубліковано 7 бер 2023
- Most simple but most versatile amp ever?? Works so well for just about any style of music.
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About 20 years ago I bought a '65 Bassman with the 2x12 cabinet, then found a '64 Bassman head a few years later and still have them. Great amps for anything you need to do.
Very cool! Couldn’t agree more!
Can I get hard Rock tone from that?
I have a ac 15
And now searching for a fender amp
Would you recommend this over deluxe or twin reissues?
@@sathira_anuk5179Don't waste your money on "reissues", they're built like crap compared to the originals...a blackface bassman will smoke almost anything current production in the same price range
Great video! Bought my first bassman head (AA864) for $175.00 in 1994. It's the one piece of gear I have that hasn't changed since then. Really amazing, overlooked (unless you have one) amps.
Thank you so much!!
Thanks this is what I like to know what the old amps sound like now I can make a design on if I like it thank you
Very cool !
I have a 1967 bassman and 4 x 10 cab!! Love it ! My friends say it’s the cleanest sound with a Strat they’ve heard
Awesome!
Dude that sounds KILLER!!! You're a great player too.
Greetings from England.👍
Thank you so much that means a lot to me! Thanks for watching!
@@justinmeyersguitarist It was my pleasure mate. 👍
This is an amazing display of how less is more when it comes to tube amps! Honestly what more could a man need! That is such a beautiful rig you’ve got there! I’ve always been a massive endorser of the blackface Bassman amps, they are absolutely perfect in my humble estimation. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise about these remarkable amps! Great playing also! Please take care!
Thank you so much!!
Hard to get a real impression over UA-cam, but with headphones, that does sound epic! And with the Tele, Really nice. Great playing also. I will have to check one of these out. I live in Australia so these amps if they were available at the time would have had a 240 volt transformer, as that is our native voltage. I wonder if that would make a difference to the tone? Great stuff mate. Subscribed.
Wonderful playing dude. I love my Blackface amp too. Your smile at 6:45 is how I feel every time I play mine! I’ve had every Vox variant there is; Top Hat, Matchless, vintage Vox, Valvetech Hayseed, etc, but man these Blackface Fenders just do it for me. Cool sound with that RAM ODR. Really nice! Rock on man!
Thanks so much!! They are awesome!
Absolutely squealing tone in the best way! sounds really awesome man. I love Bassman's and I'd love one of these. I bought a 1975 Bassman 100 for just $850 about 5 years ago in Australia but we used the Transformers to build a Dumble ODS clone. I feel bad for ripping the amp apart because it was so AWESOME sounding. I'd love another one and they deserve to be played. Awesome sounding things. Great playing, too mate.
Thank you so much! Bassmans rock!
Really sounds great!
Thanks so much!
First time stumbling across your channel..I love the Marshall "plexi" sound and obviously the Fender black face bassman.
I don't have a bassman yet but I'm looking at getting one soon.
Let me compliment your playing...Great playing,..I love your flavor of some country roll mixed with the rock licks.
Thank you so much buddy!
Great video....Man that is some great tone!
Thank you so much!!
From a fellow Bassman owner (68drip edge) I must say very well done video! I loved the pedal selection especially the ODR-1 Nobels. Also you’re a top notch picker and that always makes equipment reviews great because we can get the true potential of what it can do in a set of very capable hands! New Subscriber for sure!!!
Thank you so much!!
Hi Justin, me too, it's one of my favorites amps. I also had the VOX AC-50, beatles era head+cabinet. Both are great. I'm mostly a clean sound guy+pedals. Good tubes are essential too!
Very cool!!
That amp definitely sounded great with that Tele and your hands!!! Nice pedalboard as well!! Looking forward to more of your videos (new subscriber that came over from the Homeskoolin' family!!))
thank you so much!!
NICE PLAYING! Great sound
Thank you so much! That means so much to me!!
Before he hooked up and started working with Howard Dumble, David Lindley (R.I.P.)was using a blackface Bassman and an FET booster pedal for lap-steel slide guitar playing. The Overdrive Special basically started out as a hopped-up Bassman! That said, you've got so many pedals going into the Bassman that its hard to tell what the amp itself sounds like ---- and there's a significant level of background hiss. Playing straight into the amp, followed by running a simple boost pedal into it, would probably have been a more effective demo.
Wow very cool!
@@justinmeyersguitarist , PS, in the studio with Jackson Browne, Lindley often played through what he termed a "wheatcloth" Fender Princeton; he played through that amp for "Redneck Friend".
I was lucky enough to see Lindley play a number of times, including 4 times with his band ElRayo-X in the Eighties. At one show I stood in the shadow of his doubleneck Supro lap steel, close enough to touch it, with the Dumble and speaker cabinet about 8' away. Awesome, end of the world tone, practically radioactive! I probably lost a few dB of hearing that day but I'd do it again if given the chance.
I’m really enjoying your channel 👍
Awesome, thank you!
I've got a '69 silverface bassman that's been converted to a combo. REAL loud. I can't set it above 2.5 before it starts tearing people's ears off. Sounds great!
Awesome!! Guitar is meant to be played loud and proud.. thanks so much for watching it means a lot to me!
I have a '71 super bassman, the pre-master volume model...100 tube watts of nothing but warm clean headroom, you'd give yourself permanent hearing damage trying to get it to break up
I just bought a 1976 SF Bassman 50 with Master. It has original transformers, new electrolytics, and new tubes except an original RCA 7025 in V1. It sounds great for both guitar and bass. I use a BrownBox with my amps as well. I try to keep the voltage at 115-116.
That tone is perfect. Killer playing, too.
Thanks so much!!
Beautiful! I had a silver face for a while and really wish I had kept it
Very cool! Get you another one come on!! 🤙🏻
Same here. Sold it in the early 80's. Completely stock. One of the best sounding amps I ever had. What I would do to get that amp back.
I bought a silver face in the early 90s for $250. I sold it in 1999 for $400. I wish I had kept it.
Fun fact: Kenny Fischer used the basic topology from the bass inst channel for a few of his amps. 2 bypassed triode stages followed by one unbypassed triode stage just to get that output overdrive before the preamp clips. I have a few of these myself .. one rewired as a 6g6b which has an even COOLER bass channel.
Beautiful tone!
Thank you so much!
Sounds great, and so do you.
Thank you so much I really appreciate that!!
I use a brown box with my modern Fender SCX2 AMP, it really makes a difference in the sound because I employ a 5751 instead of a 12ax7, and I us the JJ 6v6 valves that's more of a high performance valve. Gives my amp a suped up and vintage sounds at the same time .
Sounds great
Thank you so much!!
I agree sounds great
Thanks so much!!
Sounds absolutely, positively, stone cold BADASS!
great playing and gear!
Thanks a lot!
I seem to remember reading an article by John Mcintyre in a guitar magazine, for a series of mods for the Fender Bassman, called the Bluesmaker mods, the mods transformed a blackface Fender Bassman into a JTM45 like amp that had a blend control where you could have a blend of the Fender sound or the JTM45 sound.
Thats because the bassman with the circuit 5F6A was the one Marshall took and mod to create his JTM45. Many later circuits of Bassman can be mod to that prior circuit. Thats another reason why they are so versatile. You can mod one of their channels to a “marshallish” and the other to other Bassman circuit you like more.
Out of this world playing and out-of-this-world tone. Subscribed immediately :-) going to have to watch several dozen times to try to learn those out-of-this-world licks riffs plucks twangs squeaks squeals moans and groans. Geez dude occasionally I serendipitously StumbleUpon a very very inspirational musician. I am play Blown Away sir. Truly Magic coming out of those hands. Fast as Lightning and clear as a bell. Look forward to more heading to the Woodshed now😎⭐
Thank you so much!
Best wishes from Mount Juliet … I really enjoyed your video
Awesome! Right on down the road! Thank you so much!
Amazing tone! I used to have one just like this, the best amp I ever had!!! Would love to hear your thoughts on the BF Bassman Marshall mods.
It does sound great!
Thank you so much!
Absolutely fantastic playing brother! Tell you how many I can't tell you how many music stores I used to go into hearing guys like you play like that!: they gave me the kick in the ass I needed to be a better player Henderson cool country chops to mix with my classic rock roots! Let me know if I can help you with tubes. I work with lindz the guitar and amp attack of The Black Crows. And I provided them with tubes for rich's vox ac30s and chris's 50 watt Marshalls . Those guys are picky and they know tone! And I know what they like 😅!
I had one of the last pre-CBS Fender Bassman's built. It was one of THE best amps I ever had. Bass players hated them but guitarists loved them. Not only could it push air, but it rocked your insides, you could feel it. If I were doing gigs again, this would be one of my first choices. Craig Chaquico of Jefferson Airplane, would play through at least 5 or 6 blonde Bassmans! Eric Clapton, Buddy Guy, John Fogerty, Jimmy Vaughan and Brian Setzer used Bassmans for decades.
Cool! Amazing amps for sure
Bassman AB165 circuit (late blackface and silverface) are the ones you can channel jump without swapping the phase. The AB165 extra gain stage on the normal(?) channel is what puts it into phase with the Bass channel. I use the channel jumping to add in a spring reverb (fully wet) on a '67 Bassman blackface. That amp has the best blackface clean tone ever without the silky mid-scoop of the AB763 (bandmaster) circuit. Bassman preamp uses both halfs/triode of the V2 tube, while AB763 uses ony one half. Bassman has a more upfront midrange that I love.
I always drop Bass to 0 on any Bassman head. Pretty much can't roll off enough bass on Bassman or Marshall amps. Better to add low mids with an EQ pedal than rely on that amp's tone-stack Bass control which is just woof.
Another note on the AB165 Bassman... these were the first amps that CBS messed with when they acquired Fender and they made some bad changes. These 'bad changes' are related to the Bias supply and negative feedback and are easily reversed to Leo's original AA864 Blackface design. Nearly every AB165 Bassman I come across already has this 'blackface' modification although sometimes it's not exactly right.
I have a AB165 that is a 1967 all original minus caps and 3 prong. Even had the RCAs still in it. I did have my amp guy fix the bias when I put new power tubes in it. I jump it as well. He said it has the best distortion he has ever heard. Mine loves the Analogman Beano boost with the mullards. It’s my forever amp.
@@danharris2253 excellent! I have a Beano boost as well which I use with an AC15 but I dislike it on the Bassman. I use an IO guitars TA boost into the Bassman normal channel and I do love that.
@@badgerdub I was thinking if it was possible to use the jump option as an effect loop without damaging the amp or the pedals, and I see you have used it without problems. I would use the “return” channel with low volume, so its gain do not affect the delay/reverb sound. Thank you,
Sounds killer!
Thank you so much!!
I used to see them in my local music store in the 90s for $350 CAD. If I had only known back then what was going to happen to gear prices once the internet became a thing.
Lol unbelievable.. they were so cheap back in the day !!
@@justinmeyersguitarist Yep. I got my 66 Princeton in the late 90s on even trade for a solid state Marshall I had paid $200 for. My first tube amp was a late 50s Beltone two ten for $350. When I needed a bass rig for a new band, I traded the $350 Beltone for a 1970s 250 watt Traynor Mono Block II stack, head and cab included from the same store. Once saw a 70s SG there for $700, but I foolishly passed it up. Got a US made Strat brand new for $700 (it was a California Series - body was painted in Mexico which meant they could sell it for $500 less than the regular US models). Bear in mind also that this is Canadian prices. For your money, all those prices I mentioned would have been about 30% less. Those were the days. I had fun buying cheap stuff from all over the world when eBay came about, but that didn’t last long before “investors” realized they could make money buying up all that old gear for cheap and jacking the prices way up on it. Now we’ve got Les Paul bursts going for $300,000. Utter madness.
@@darwinsaye wow great scores! Yeah times have sure changed the gear is not cheap!!
Yea, back when 20$ would fill up your tank and buy a couple packs of smokes
@@masterofreality230 haha!
Reached out 2 years ago. I purchased a one owner 67 in crazy good condition with the dust cover all OG. So good , Im afraid to play it.
I would love to hear it mic’d up!👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you for watching!!
That does sound killer! I've always been a fan of the black face bassman . The overdrive sounded good too . Hey man the question is that the ab 165 amp that playing thru?
I had a 65 and used to run a Rick 360 12 string> Chandler Tube Driver>Boss Metal Zone> Amp> Alesis Midiverb> and either a 1x12 EV Force 12 or a Fender 4x10. All through the bass side with the deep switch engaged.
DEFINITELY try the Bass side and the deep switch. Especially at rip your face off volume.
Very cool!!
Sounded great. ! Have really like the pedal board. Have u thought of. Modding the ge7? I had anAlogman do it and really make s it a less noisey. Do u use m9 to mostly control the pedals. ?
That’s a cool mod. The noise really has never bothered me especially on the newer ones, I like it just the way it is stock. I wouldn’t want to change frequencies either on it. M9 I use for all kinds of different effects, very usable effects and the ability to program whatever effect you want pretty much is a very nice feature! Thanks so much for watching!
Yeah it does sound really good man I play through early 60s black face bassmans for many years ! I always jumper the channels made sure the phases was correct most of the time the early ones. And I ran mine through custom-made power generator back when there weren't any really good power attenuator s. Of course the early seventies Marshall 4-12 but semi-open back in a divider between the two speakers like the gold fender bassman cabinets used to have to the standing waves phase problem. But honestly it sounded better just running two speakers. I later learned they actually sound better through a big box late 60s fender pine bassman or bandmaster cab. If you ported the front of the baffle about an inch and a half to 2 inches all the way across the bottom just like a DRZ extension cab it would really let the bass breath And that 212 cabinet sounded like thunder ! Thus allowing you to pull back the bass volume controls but still plenty of Base but it accentuated the mid-range in the middle as you roll the bass off a little bit! My guitar tech did a little mod on the tone stacks to kind of shift the mid-range just a little bit more like a 50 watt marshall like in the 1K 2K. Just a little mud value change on the bright switches to where they're optimized to actually sound good and work . Where they added edition of a presence control which makes a huge difference. I Ran late 50 s RCA black plate 6l6 power tubes. In very importantly a couple of early sixties Mullard 12ax 7s. tube phase inverter position I ran a long smooth plate telefunken for the ultimate detail and clarity. If I need a little more detail on clear that I would substitute one of the molars with a long black plate 12 ax7 s.
PS great job on the DEMO
you nailed it. Very sweet sound and pedal rig.
All hail the Bass man.
PS in stereo those two Bass man heads will turn heads all the way around.
nice sound!
Thank you!!
Great video. Becoming a fan really quickly. I do have one question...Is your Bogner cab at 4 or 8 ohms? I ordered the Bogner 212C with Vintage 30's at 8 ohms. From what i'm reading they run 16 ohms speakers in parallel. I've got a 66 Bassman (4 Ohms) that sat for years not working, always used combos. Finally fixed the Bassman and yep...Uncle Larry and Jim Lil and now you, turned me on to the Bogner. Pretty much same setup as you with the exception of a few different pedals. Any help I would appreciate.
It’s 8 ohms! Best 2x12 cabs in my opinion! Sounds incredible with the Bassman!
At one point i was running a pair of these, a 65 and a 66 into a couple Mesa Dual Rectfier 2x12 cabs. My 68 Strat never sounded better. Currently considering a 59 Vibrolux or a 68 Super Reverb that are both available locally from a private seller.
Awesome!!
Tone sounds gorgeous. Always wanted a Bassman amp, just can't run one turned up where I'm living. One small word of advice, get a pair of earplugs if you're just practicing with it turned up. Years of louder amps when I was younger has given me a lifelong friend of tinnitus. Not fun. Cheers, keep up the good work!
Thank you so much! Great advice!
Attenuate it or get an oxe box or 2 notes captor. You can get a decent attenuator for 100.00.
Hello Justin, is this Bassman a A864 or AB165 circuit? It sounds great!
First real tube amp I ever had, thought it was good, until I got a Marshall. Nice real Plexi and cabinet you've got there, btw.
Very cool! Thanks so much!!
New sub, I like your playing and like you said, it's a sickness, lol. Let's hear a demo of that half stack
That is tone-heaven. I hear now that it is true, Izzy Stradlin must’ve used this on the AFD album. I always thought it was a Mesa Boogie Mk. lll
Thanks so much! I didn’t know that on AFD album. That’s cool!
Sounds killer man! Big Uncle LArry fan? aren't we all
Yeah man he’s amazing! I used to work at his shop 2nd gear back in the day haha
So you are going overdrive into boost into compressor into delay? I have a compressor in front of an od and boost after that. I'm gonna swap them around to hear the difference and how they react into eachother because your tone rocks man! I have a 66 super reverb that i love but feel the need to get a mid 60's bassman. They are hard to get, sell fast and are really expensive here in Europe but hey all for the good stuff! Cheers from the Netherlands, Jens
I'm going compressor before drive. comp to drive to delay. The comp after is a cool tone as well kinda as if you're going into an 1176 or something in the studio.. Super Reverbs are fantastic amps. You need a bassman!! Thank you so much!!
Sounds amazing, but I think it's the compression for me 😍
Thank you so much!!
just inherited one.....its incredible. not sure how to determine the exact year yet
Hi Justin, I noticed you have a Blonde Bassman as well 1962-1964? how would you describe the describe the differences. You put out very informative videos & Thank you
Yes it’s a 63! I’ll make a video on that
these are sleeper amps for sure. I have a '68 silverface bassman head. It cranks hard. I jumper channels - gets into the zone.
Cool!!
WWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW, the sound is juicy, creamy, sparkling highs but not shrill at all. This amp is fantastic. Period.
Yeah for sure!
Have you tried one with the 'Fender Hot Rod Mod'? I saw this on the Fender BF site. It changes the circuit to cathode biased and with some other tweaks makes it into a hybrid of British and American tone. More gain and an added mid pot.
I haven’t tried it!
@@justinmeyersguitarist I'm going to do it with mine.
Tele sounds great though it. I had a silver face 50W a long time ago. Never should have gotten rid of it.
Thanks for watching!
What’s your thoughts on tour 1970 tele, considering it has the 1MEG pots that many complain of being too thin/bright/shrill?
I love it. Bridge pickup really snappy great for chicken Pickin.. works well in a mix I like it brighter.
Hi Justin. I was thinking about getting a 66 Bassman as a back up for my Retro King JTM45. Do you have experience with a JTM45 vs Bassman. Is it overkill to have both? Putting GAS aside...LOL. Thanks
I would just use the Bassman and sell the jtm45 clone
I appreciate your feedback. Thanks
Can u Connect to a orange cab or does it have to be a fender cab
Agreed sir... I've got 4, none over 350$.... Real tube power and volume!!! 👍
What speaker cabinet are you using? Bassman cab, 4x10s? 2x12s?
Bogner 2x12
I must have a tube amp... I'm an old school player. Who uses his volume knob for gain. And roll off for clean
Absolutely!! Very cool. That’s the way to do it!
I had a ‘64 Bassman head and have regretted getting rid of it ever since selling it over 20 years ago.
Dang. Yeah we all have those we regret selling! Funny I just made a video about that will be live tomorrow!
Is the reverb coming from the M9?
Those bassman,heads were hop up to Marshalls spec's back in the day and the heavy duty transformers handle it! Remember Jim Marshall borrowed from Fender circuits! Trade known!
The first Marshall 50 watt amps were basically modifications of the Fender tweed Bassman, the 5F6-A chassis. It's one of the last amps that Leo Fender made with a presence control.
Nice tele
Thank you so much!
are you running it through an attenuator? thing gets really loud even at 4
No attenuator
05:01 great tone btw
Thanks so much!!
I'm going to convert my 65' bandmaster to bassman spec'. Can't decide between the 65' or 63' brown face era.
Cool! Thanks for watching!
I just bought 2 Bassman piggyback amps from an estate sale. They both were recovered, one in white tolex and the other in blond tolex, so the appraiser and myself thought they were much older and more valuable. I waited until the second day and bought both for 1250 apiece. I know I overpaid after I took them apart and dated them from 68-69 by the transformers and circuits. Both were also fitted with L-Pad attenuaters mounted in the cabs , and one came with a 15 inch speaker and the other with 3 tens.
I plan on rewiring both to AA864 circuits, or maybe leave one as an AB 165.
Do you have any idea what I could reasonably ask for one of them after the work is done, because they were cosmetically modded well, with black panels for each of them, I wish I could upload pictures.
What kind of cabs? I mean are they the vintage fender ones with modded baffles?
@@TheArtofBlues Yes, they are original cabs with modified baffles , but the tilt back hardware is all there
@@garyeggleton1142 okay cool if you are interested in selling the cabinets id be interested. Thanks for your time
I do agree that the Bassman is a classic and I hate to criticize but when you play an amp through a bunch of pedals it's hard to get a feel for the basic tone of an amp. I mean it would be great to hear the guitar plugged into one channel with no jumpers. Also it would be great to hear it plugged into an original Fender 4x12 cabinet. I used to play that set up back in the sixties and all we had was a wah pedal and a fuzz face. Then you got a much better idea of the true sound of the amp. I only mention all this because if the purpose of the video is to show the sound of an amp it's good to keep it all as original as possible like you would have heard the amp played in '65.
Why? The one and only sensible criteria is a sound someone wants
@@mikeb5372 I understand you have the tone you want but for a demo for people who have never heard a Bassman before it would be interesting to hear it in a clean configuration.
@@squidkid2 Did you try Johan Segeborn? He has a good demo and gets a pretty killer tone. More overdriven tones but is worth watching
I'd leave the internals a stock as possible. But if I had to replace something I always use the best either New Old stock caps from the 60s or polypropylene caps . I like electrocube and the older zozo's. If I had to replace a blue molded, I always find another New Old stock blue molded cap are a used one that wasn't leaking dc. Those are key to keeping the amp sounding good . The filter capacitors I use nothing but 60s light blue New old stock Lite Blue Sprague. Then I would actually decrease the microfaradage a litle on a couple of the capacitors. This allows the amp to have a little more natural spring sag and compression that responds to your plane in the right way and doesn't feel too harsh or cold. But without getting too sloppy. Are the engineers will tell you that it's impossible for filter capacitors being in the power section to affect your tone I'm here to tell you that's b s ! Really does! I found out the hard way when I had a guitar tech talk me into recapping my 64 basement it never sent me the same again. But at the time I was young and I didn't know any better.
Is the Bogner wired for 4ohms for the Bassman?
no 8 ohms
Great tone!
Thank you so much!!
ARE these 864 or 165?
Would a variac be just as good as the Brown Box?
I suppose
I’m always confused by these heads? Are they for guitar or bass??
is the cab open or closed back?
closed back
better than a marshall used em my whole career
Thank you for watching!!
Is that a Variac on top of the Bassman?
Yes Brownbox
What is the impedance of the extension speaker output jack? I've heard 4 ohm
Yes 4 ohm
Thanks Justin
Wow that's a amp collection my neighbor gave me a amp I never heard of maybe you or someone has it's a lander two ten reverb can't find any info 🎸
Thank you!!
What makes any amp great is a short signal path....
Sounds fucking amazing. People wasting money on boutique shit and ridiculous pedals. My pedalboard is just a cable
Thanks!!
Wonder if anyone here has experience with using this amp at a bed room level? Or should I give up and just get a load box like Suhr Reactive Load IR? Thanks!
You know it
Fuck yeah
I hate them with a single 15
I think they are killer with a 4-10 cab
What's the point to plug a jumper?
To use both channels
does it add overdrive?@@justinmeyersguitarist
You are wrong about jumping the bass and normal channels together. The channels are out of phase in Fender amps, which means that it degrades the sound significantly when jumped. BTW, I own a 1964 Super Reverb (I've owned three since 1968), and I know Fender amps.
You’re awesome!! 🤙🏻
Blonde and early BF Bassmans are out of phase. Such as 6G6/A/B, AA864 & AA165, all with their 2 vs 3 plate stages. Late BFs=AB165 & SFs=AC568/AA270/AA371 all have 3 & 3 and are in phase. In the videos he said his was a 1965, which is most likely an AB165... He even demoed it jumped.. and it sounded fine.
@@kenmasters007 True. My experience with Bassmans is strictly with early blackface amps. I have heard it said that some blackface Bassmans can be jumped.
@@kenmasters007 thank you
He is not wrong. The only blackfaces out of phase are the ones which name ends in “verb” because the reverb requires one more tube which causes the two circuits being not in phase. The blackfaces are all in phase, so they sound great jumping their channels.
Sounds GREAT thru my shitty ass phone speaker!😂
Thank you!
Paid $150 in 1979