This guy is one of my favorite historians. The paintings he uses, his objective approach, these videos are priceless. They should be archived in the Library of Congress. Keep up the good work! 👍
There is far too little attention paid to the pre-civil war Indian conflicts, I had never heard of this incident before despite its obvious seriousness. Well done Walrus.
@mike saunders the US wars with the indians (plains indians) was over 60 years long with the civil war in the middle. Not to mention the colonial indians befor that.
@@davidammons1700 while that is true, such things were ingrained into all Indian cultures as a rule, while the more evil among the whites relished in it, it was not a socially accepted practice ... though it would be adopted in wartime as retribution even against the innocent. Indian culture is not compatable with white culture... example, most tribes practiced some forms of canableism, has never been accepted in white culture unless you work for Kraft or the abortionists.
Thank you for sharing. My great great (great) Grandfather and Granduncle both traded along these route as a Cherokee / Delaware Indian tribe trader. His son became chief around the turn of the century. Their is still much I am studying, learning and trying to retrace their trails, routes and common camping site along the way. I had thought they had went straight to the Royal Highway at Sant Fe NM from eastern Oklahoma but this gives another route that is close enough to consider. This helps a bit so thank you very much. I sub'ed & liked.
Thank you! May I also recommend other channels... Legends of the Old West Legends of the West Jeffrey the Librarian History & More Native American History Townsends They do much better work with American history than I can. Cheers from Dixie!
@@ge2623 maybe because it would be inconvenient to the democratic party, who are the party of slavery and Indian removal. Look into The Big Lie By Dinesh D'Souza
@@ge2623 bo wyszło by na to że bialy chrześcijanin czyli wasi przodkowie to mordercy , gwałciciele, oglupiali na punkcie złota oraz ziemi ale tylko na własność.
Think about it what would you do if somebody intentionally murdered your family with a disease and saying they didn't do it on purpose lying Europeans thought the Mexicans everything
Often overlooked in the telling of the stories between Indians and Europeans is the nearly absolute reluctance of the Indians to give up “the culture of the raid.” The horse only made it worse. This conflict occurred elsewhere in the world between settled people and nomads.
The ubiquitous use and abuse of slaves by American Indians is rarely noted in comparison to the Black Slave trade and yet is no less despicable. Reparations?
The systematic rape torture and murder of men women and children (either white settlers or members of another tribe) is rarely noted in comparison to your average serial killers deeds.
A nit-picking observation; the picture of Messervy shows a revolver in his waist line. Voice over says, "...1854..." but that isn't a .36 Colt revolver. It's a Colt 1873 Model P revolver.
The native indians out west always had a feud with the Mexicans. Before the settlers moved west they the Indian often raided south into Mexico, especially the Apache, and the Utes.
Reading many county record accounts from midwest to west, a very common tactic of many Native American tribes/nations was to be-friend, be invited to have dinner (given hospitality), then slaughter their adult and teen victims and then enslave the beautiful women along with young girls and boys. Resulting in retribution by other settlers in a most horrific way and equally shameful. War is hell no matter where fought.
You are mistaken! The head waters of the Rio Grande, are on the Eastern side of the San Juan Mtns. That's what the continental divide is all about. The rivers on the Western Slope of Colorado, eventually flow into the Colorado River. Not so with the Rio Grande.
@@nun_bel_eever no such thing an non provoked as you look into history Those democrats were as hostile to Indians as they are blacks and whites who love freedom
Your content is fantastic and your delivery is excellent. It's very educational, but could you PEASE avoid using those racial/ethnic slurs outside of directly quoting historical writings? It is poor scholarship at the very least, and I don't believe you mean some of those words in the ugly connotations they actually carry.
What people dont realize is except for pagans and catholics, christmas was not celebrated, and was illegal in sone parts. It was the 1820s when alabama was the first state to legalize christmas (heavy catholic influence)
Many people are unaware of truthful history.Many Americans are functional illiterate on the real history of America and the world. The arrogant and ignorant behavior of some is noted daily. A concern Veteran 🇺🇸
@elainegoad9777 the solstace moves... use stellarium and you can go back and find it use to be on the 25... but back then there was no gregirian calendar so even that does not apply
Hate to be picky, but I noticed the rifle carried by the guy in the picture appears to be a Henry with a handle for the barrel. This was not available until post Civil War.
The opening painting shows the bearded man holding a Winchester lever action rifle. This gun was not invented and available for years yet. Anachronism.
@@Momusinterra Yes, only original digital jpg images recovered from Native American entombments should be thusly referenced. It is, you see, common knowledge among archaeologists that said natives were always interred with their mobile phones so they could, if they so chose, call their bookies from The Happy Hunting Grounds. BWAAAAHAHAHAHA, etc.
i do not understand how a walrus can be camping on the mainland teaching us about mexican and native history while lecturing us on keeping the powder dry
Do you love the way the Europeans stole the America do you know what they had to do to get this country lotta murdering raping, introducing smallpox and many other diseases then they started hanging Black people selling them and then murdering the Mexicans and Chinese learn some history
I've never heard Custers' attack of Black Kettle at Washita referred to as a Massacre , but an attack by native inhabitants were frequently called that.
@@doorusthewalrus6903 hope you clearly tell the cause of each 'attack' I hated Custer till I started looking into him. He fought fiercely to rescue a white woman of Kansas who had been kidnapped by Indians. Custer rescued her. Sadly not soon enough, she returned with a son by an Indian, towns people rejected her despite knowing she'd been kidnapped and held a slave
I have traveled through UTE territory recently-mostly desert -The UTE casino seems to be busy and i suppose the UTE s when not drunk are getting along fine-they have no purpose and being subsidized by the gov and casino have no future other than a few who escape the lure of drunkenness and slumber
It is sad what the Reservation system incentivizes. One day I would like to do a video (a very long one) on the history of the USA's Indian policy, starting with Washington and most notably Jefferson and ending with the reservations created in the New Deal. I've always been partial to Henry Dawes' sentiment that the American Indian will never be truly free until they hold the deed to their own land. Property rights and private ownership as an alternative to the collectivist identity of a tribe.
Its not just the first people its all human nature. Anyone in similar circumstances would end up virtually the same. Inner city and rural welfare and housing recipients have similar outcomes. It takes people with strong teaching from parents or grandparents, good examples and id definitely say people who apply their lives to the teaching of the old testament and words of Christ (at least in principle) predominantly escape that condition because it teaches a focus on strong work ethic, education and duty to God and others.
Bwahahahaha 😂 Sounds pretty myopic and ferociously narrow-minded. Let me get this right, You traveled through Ute territory and you observed a lot of drunk fucks. Now it's " I *suppose* the UTE s when not drunk are getting along fine-they have no purpose and being subsidized by the govt and casino have no future other than a few who escaped the law of drunkenness and slumber" It took a few seconds longer to realize what in the actual fuck you're talking about since you don't use punctuation. LMFAO how many reservations or indigenous territory have you actually visited? A couple? Did you watch some documentaries on youtube? And everybody knows about the Lakota pine ridge reservation. Yet because of this, they think that all reservations and territories and a whole race of people are all the same. There are an incredible score of moving parts to the stories and I find it preposterously humorous the way people become opinionated on things they don't fully comprehend. "So sad, DERP🥴" Hahaha the way you guys talk is legitimately funny. *sigh* thanks for the chuckle
I'm a native American (I was BORN here -- that's what the word "native" means), and I know the term "squaw" is NOT offensive. In the Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary, copyrighted 1969 by Merriam-Webster (at a time when they took the science of lexicography seriously and were not politicizing their publications), it says: "an American Indian woman". It gives for an etymology that it was an Algonquian term meaning "woman". Nope, nothing like "'ho's" at all. If anything, the term "squaw' reminds people that indigenous women were the veritable property of their men. A squaw emphasizes that a woman was "somebody's woman" -- "somebody's squaw". That's the connotation of the term. But that was the reality. (It still wouldn't imply that they were prostitutes though.) Why should we erase inconvenient facts? Because the truth offends?
@@MrJm323 Trust me . . . don't call Native American women a squaw. We're Eastern Creeks. My sister is a robotics engineer and I was architect of the Oklahoma's Trail of Tears Memorial. My sister would probably put you on the next NASA rocket headed to Pluto. LOL
@@peopleofonefire9643 "My sister is...." If she is anything more than a mother and drawer of water and firewood collector and cook for her "man", then it is because the "white man" brought the 18th century Enlightenment to your people. Not LOL.
Jicarilla were Apache they were hunters not farmers. So to place them in an area and told to grow crops was an insult . Massacres by Native American were rare at first ….. but with issues like Sand Creek showed Native American that negotiations with the snake tongue whites was pointless .
"...alcohol, smallpox, kill off the herds of buffalo their culture depended on, introduce a Religion while simultaneously betraying half of its' Commandments and use it as justification for the broken treaties."
ACTUALLY, when killing is done in defense of innocent people, it's not murder. These Shoshone had been murdering emigrants traveling through the land to reach California. They had finally murdered enough Mormons, that Brigham Young was going to have them taken care of if the Federal government didn't. The Shoshone set up defensive breastworks, KNOWING that there was a battle coming. Their chief, refused to surrender to an arrest warrant in his name, though he was given the opportunity. He chose to fight and his people fought with him, thinking they had superior numbers. But Conner had been well planned in hiding his actual numbers. The Shoshone we're tricked in battle, and a well earned elimination of their renegade tribe was completed. This preliminary thinning of the Shoshone herd saved the lives of countless good and civilized people in exchange for the loss of lives of organized and deadly thieves, rapists, and warriors going under the name "Shoshone"
@Jethro Neemo That battle as you call it wasn't a battle, it was a Massacure, the US Army had gattlung guns, while the Shoshone, mean women and children were low on ammunition. When the Shoshone realized they were going to lose they gave up, and rode at the soldiers lines. The Army just fired with their guns until none were left to fire at. That isn't a battle, nor was it honorable. As for the Shoshone, they were freedom fighters fighting for the future of the people, as well the survival of all that was Shoshone. You can not make up, or say enough to justify what happened. Not how those atrocities are continuing to play out today.
@Captain Fanta it's my understanding that the military was using cannons. Colonel Conner was a cold blooded killer. The Mormons wanted the land, so they pushed the military into attacking.
@Jetho Neemo What would you do if you saw people stealing your land and slaughtering your food? The motivation behind the massacre was to complete the theft of the Indians land and to murder as many as possible so they wouldn't have to deal with them.
The American Indian were some of the finest lite cavalry the world has ever seen the saying was they were born on horseback and most were natural marksmen it was the numbers of the white men that made the out come inevitably
Not really. They had no concept of strategy or how to fight a long term war. They were reavers and raiders. Take out a couple of their war leaders and it was "he who fights and runs away...." That's why 28 bison hunter's held off 700 Comanchees (who were indeed great horsemen) at the 2nd Battle of Adobe Walls. As a book I read on the Comanchees put it... they did not have the cold blooded European calculus that would enable then to sustain heavy losses to secure a strategically advantageous position"
On occasion, yes. Definitely more often than we are taught. It's also important not to generalize too much on either side when it comes to disparaging monikers .
Natives traditionally did not lie. And those that did were left without a nose, or an ear or tongue. Lying was taught to us by the people who came from across the Atlantic ocean.
It's so sad that the Indians where lied to by the Mexican and white men remember they where fighting for there freedom for its was the Indians homeland first and its sad that all couldn't live peaceful
@Partty Setzer Primary sources are filled with examples of how most tribes weren't above lying to get ahead themselves. Stealing property was practically a past time for most Indian youths. The prevailing philosophy being: if you're not strong enough to hold it, you don't deserve to own it.
I stated this elsewhere on my channel, but I've never come across a primary or secondary source (outside of the odd 2010s grad student paper) that states "squaw" as meaning...errr, the oldest profession. This seems to be a modern, linguistic interpretation. Given the rampant distortion of American frontier history by current academics, I choose to stick with the tried and true terms. That being said, if you know something I don't, please share so we all may learn.
Thank goodness the savage indigenes were totally defeated. Because of that our property rights (and our very lives, indeed) were made secure. Any indigenous person reading these words -- which requires electricity and sophisticated electronic and digital technology -- should be thankful for that historical fact.
Goes to say All Govornors in New Mexico have and still do remain the same . Nothing in them ever changes and the Indian is supposed to be satisfied. AS THE WAY IT IS. DECENDENTS OF THE TRIBES IN MODERN TIMES SAY NO WE DONT EXCEPT THEIR WORDS.For their words have different meaning of truth which never existed in them. A indian descendent of the worst of the worst and proud of it .A heathen savage they call us then and now in their films today to boost has been actors. A savage they think a savage they get the word is different to us as is the meaning. HISTORY GETS JUSTICE
@@nun_bel_eever I'm doing...trying to do a series on the Sioux Indian Wars. I finished a video in the Fall about Sand Creek. The ol' "what about..." fallacy is a rhetorical slight of hand. Yes, massacres occurred on BOTH sides of most conflicts (especially frontier wars). Neither side is excluded from atrocities. I picked this topic because I was researching events occurring around Christmas in the West. It's an overlooked event and is pretty dramatic. No judgements, just history. Merry Christmas! :)
@@doorusthewalrus6903 *A white Christmas conscience assuagement. But best of the land to you...* *Not a trace of 'whatism' in my comments. Just straight to the conscience questions...* *Still unassailable I see...*
Let's face it if you come on to my property and bring all your belongings and you refuse to leave your belongings belong to me what's the problem with that
One critique otherwise a very good 👍 video! Jicarilla is pronounced "Hick-ah-ReeAh"
As a Scotsman I like listening to other countries history, great video.
That like me here in the States being fascinated with the English Civil War!
Aye, Scotland, where men are men, and sheep are nervous! (Signed: A Gordon ancestor)😆
@@jamesalexander3530 aye your still a sasanack lol
This guy is one of my favorite historians. The paintings he uses, his objective approach, these videos are priceless. They should be archived in the Library of Congress. Keep up the good work! 👍
There is far too little attention paid to the pre-civil war Indian conflicts, I had never heard of this incident before despite its obvious seriousness. Well done Walrus.
@mike saunders the US wars with the indians (plains indians) was over 60 years long with the civil war in the middle. Not to mention the colonial indians befor that.
Stories of blood thirsty killing on indians n whites killing innocebt lives men n children in both sides .nothing be proud of in america
@@davidammons1700 while that is true, such things were ingrained into all Indian cultures as a rule, while the more evil among the whites relished in it, it was not a socially accepted practice ... though it would be adopted in wartime as retribution even against the innocent. Indian culture is not compatable with white culture... example, most tribes practiced some forms of canableism, has never been accepted in white culture unless you work for Kraft or the abortionists.
Very well done. I have always been interested in the history of southern Colorado and northern New Mexico. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for sharing. My great great (great) Grandfather and Granduncle both traded along these route as a Cherokee / Delaware Indian tribe trader. His son became chief around the turn of the century. Their is still much I am studying, learning and trying to retrace their trails, routes and common camping site along the way. I had thought they had went straight to the Royal Highway at Sant Fe NM from eastern Oklahoma but this gives another route that is close enough to consider. This helps a bit so thank you very much. I sub'ed & liked.
As a resident of Abiquiu I thank you , great video -
Just found your channel love learning about American history we didn't get taught much about it in nz
Thank you! May I also recommend other channels...
Legends of the Old West
Legends of the West
Jeffrey the Librarian
History & More
Native American History
Townsends
They do much better work with American history than I can. Cheers from Dixie!
@Doorus the Walrus watched a bit of those channels you recommended great stuff yours is awesome hope you do lots more
We didn't get taught about anything Native American-wise in the U.S. I wonder why?
@@ge2623 maybe because it would be inconvenient to the democratic party, who are the party of slavery and Indian removal.
Look into
The Big Lie
By Dinesh D'Souza
@@ge2623 bo wyszło by na to że bialy chrześcijanin czyli wasi przodkowie to mordercy , gwałciciele, oglupiali na punkcie złota oraz ziemi ale tylko na własność.
I heard of this massacre but I didn't know the details of this event.Thank you for the info!
You had to have loved it I've heard the story since I was young white man speak with false tongue
Think about it what would you do if somebody intentionally murdered your family with a disease and saying they didn't do it on purpose lying Europeans thought the Mexicans everything
Good video.. I live in Canon City on the Arkansas River... Lots of history here.
Often overlooked in the telling of the stories between Indians and Europeans is the nearly absolute reluctance of the Indians to give up “the culture of the raid.” The horse only made it worse. This conflict occurred elsewhere in the world between settled people and nomads.
From Pueblo West Colorado Thank You!
Very Good video. I'd never heard of any of this.
Thank you from England
I have visited what remains of this fort, downtown Pueblo. Wonderful site!
Very sad and tragic that the Mexican trader invited the Utes into the fort for a feast, and then while it was underway, the attack began. Terrible.
I am betting that had they not invaded Ute lands, this massacre wouldn't have happened.
@@captainfanta8641 Yes, the Utes wouldnt have had horses, guns or steel. They would have been wiped out or conquered by another hostile tribe instead.
This is why we burned their villages.
Why was a fort built on Indigenous Lands???
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 It wasnt a fort. It was a food bank for natives.
Another good one......
The ubiquitous use and abuse of slaves by American Indians is rarely noted in comparison to the Black Slave trade and yet is no less despicable. Reparations?
Because there can only be BLACK slavery.
The systematic rape torture and murder of men women and children (either white settlers or members of another tribe) is rarely noted in comparison to your average serial killers deeds.
fantastic video buddy i love history . but one thing if he had all his horses stolen how could he send a rider to warn other homesteads ?
A nit-picking observation; the picture of Messervy shows a revolver in his waist line. Voice over says, "...1854..." but that isn't a .36 Colt revolver. It's a Colt 1873 Model P revolver.
I wonder if those ruins are haunted...and that's why no one ever stays long?
Haunted by what?...
@@jeffsmith2022 Dead Mexicans .
@@jeffsmith2022
Their own subconscious bubbling up to the surface. We really don’t control many of our thoughts.
Excellent portrayal of history
A War On Christmas.
Has anyone told Tucker?
Outstanding video!
Thanks for the clip.
Abiquiu is pronounced ah-bae-q. Good video overall, I like your channel
They weren’t called savage for nothing,and people kept coming kind of like now.
The native indians out west always had a feud with the Mexicans. Before the settlers moved west they the Indian often raided south into Mexico, especially the Apache, and the Utes.
Great! Love SW history and Merry Christmas!
Heres just another example of why there were so many western movies and TV shows made in the mid 1900s.....
Your intro music is perfect.
WoW !!!
Reading many county record accounts from midwest to west, a very common tactic of many Native American tribes/nations was to be-friend, be invited to have dinner (given hospitality), then slaughter their adult and teen victims and then enslave the beautiful women along with young girls and boys. Resulting in retribution by other settlers in a most horrific way and equally shameful. War is hell no matter where fought.
Yep. Those not so peaceful Natives were more vicious and violent by far
Yeah, that was what the first Thanksgiving looked like.
@@godssara6758 Yep, those lying, murdering Pioneers are viciously lying and now by text
You are mistaken! The head waters of the Rio Grande, are on the Eastern side of the San Juan Mtns. That's what the continental divide is all about. The rivers on the Western Slope of Colorado, eventually flow into the Colorado River. Not so with the Rio Grande.
You are correct! I just double checked my map and see my mistake. I'll see if I can edit that part out of the video. Thank you!
@@doorusthewalrus6903 *I wonder if you would call the non-provoked attacks on `Indian villages by the US Cavalry' as massacres?*
@@nun_bel_eever Guess he has a split tongue ....
Doorus, just curious if you know how many USA rivers flow north? I like all your videos. Best to you.
@@nun_bel_eever no such thing an non provoked as you look into history
Those democrats were as hostile to Indians as they are blacks and whites who love freedom
Your content is fantastic and your delivery is excellent. It's very educational, but could you PEASE avoid using those racial/ethnic slurs outside of directly quoting historical writings?
It is poor scholarship at the very least, and I don't believe you mean some of those words in the ugly connotations they actually carry.
Sad Times
What people dont realize is except for pagans and catholics, christmas was not celebrated, and was illegal in sone parts. It was the 1820s when alabama was the first state to legalize christmas (heavy catholic influence)
LOL 😆 Pagans don't celebrate Christ's birth !
Many people are unaware of truthful history.Many Americans are functional illiterate on the real history of America and the world. The arrogant and ignorant behavior of some is noted daily. A concern Veteran 🇺🇸
Celtic/ Nordic Pagans would celebrate Winter Solstice December 21.
@elainegoad9777 the solstace moves... use stellarium and you can go back and find it use to be on the 25... but back then there was no gregirian calendar so even that does not apply
1854 yet that sure look's like a 1873 Winchester the guy is holding .
Wish I could eat the food of the period. The native food too maybe.
If only they would have built a wall...
The old west version of a sucker punch.
Hate to be picky, but I noticed the rifle carried by the guy in the picture appears to be a Henry with a handle for the barrel. This was not available until post Civil War.
The opening painting shows the bearded man holding a Winchester lever action rifle. This gun was not invented and available for years yet. Anachronism.
You think he should only use pictures from Fort Pueblo and only those that were made in 1854?
You’re not being slightly pedantic are you?
@@Momusinterra Yes, only original digital jpg images recovered from Native American entombments should be thusly referenced. It is, you see, common knowledge among archaeologists that said natives were always interred with their mobile phones so they could, if they so chose, call their bookies from The Happy Hunting Grounds.
BWAAAAHAHAHAHA, etc.
@@BobK5 I cannot even spell pedantic.
@@marcomalo02 🤣
i do not understand how a walrus can be camping on the mainland teaching us about mexican and native history while lecturing us on keeping the powder dry
I love the history of America
Do you love the way the Europeans stole the America do you know what they had to do to get this country lotta murdering raping, introducing smallpox and many other diseases then they started hanging Black people selling them and then murdering the Mexicans and Chinese learn some history
I've never heard Custers' attack of Black Kettle at Washita referred to as a Massacre , but an attack by native inhabitants were frequently called that.
I've never heard it not referred to as a massacre. I'll get to Custer shortly in 2023. :)
@@doorusthewalrus6903 When you do cUSTER. Don't leave out about his massacre near Fort Washita in Oklahoma.
@@doorusthewalrus6903 hope you clearly tell the cause of each 'attack'
I hated Custer till I started looking into him.
He fought fiercely to rescue a white woman of Kansas who had been kidnapped by Indians.
Custer rescued her. Sadly not soon enough, she returned with a son by an Indian, towns people rejected her despite knowing she'd been kidnapped and held a slave
Phillip St. George Cooke was the father in law of Jeb Stuart, and he would remain with the Union
That's so cool! I was reading about Stuart and his fight with the Apache today.
I have traveled through UTE territory recently-mostly desert -The UTE casino seems to be busy and i suppose the UTE s when not drunk are getting along fine-they have no purpose and being subsidized by the gov and casino have no future other than a few who escape the lure of drunkenness and slumber
It is sad what the Reservation system incentivizes. One day I would like to do a video (a very long one) on the history of the USA's Indian policy, starting with Washington and most notably Jefferson and ending with the reservations created in the New Deal.
I've always been partial to Henry Dawes' sentiment that the American Indian will never be truly free until they hold the deed to their own land. Property rights and private ownership as an alternative to the collectivist identity of a tribe.
So what’s your take on the Welsh tribes?
Have you ever been to a Lakota Res... just as bad.
Its not just the first people its all human nature. Anyone in similar circumstances would end up virtually the same. Inner city and rural welfare and housing recipients have similar outcomes. It takes people with strong teaching from parents or grandparents, good examples and id definitely say people who apply their lives to the teaching of the old testament and words of Christ (at least in principle) predominantly escape that condition because it teaches a focus on strong work ethic, education and duty to God and others.
Bwahahahaha 😂
Sounds pretty myopic and ferociously narrow-minded.
Let me get this right, You traveled through Ute territory and you observed a lot of drunk fucks. Now it's " I *suppose* the UTE s when not drunk are getting along fine-they have no purpose and being subsidized by the govt and casino have no future other than a few who escaped the law of drunkenness and slumber"
It took a few seconds longer to realize what in the actual fuck you're talking about since you don't use punctuation.
LMFAO how many reservations or indigenous territory have you actually visited? A couple? Did you watch some documentaries on youtube?
And everybody knows about the Lakota pine ridge reservation. Yet because of this, they think that all reservations and territories and a whole race of people are all the same.
There are an incredible score of moving parts to the stories and I find it preposterously humorous the way people become opinionated on things they don't fully comprehend.
"So sad, DERP🥴"
Hahaha the way you guys talk is legitimately funny.
*sigh* thanks for the chuckle
Great account, but you should never whistle in the dark like that!
Rudolph's on it.
That's why his nose stays red.
Nice 👍
Those photos show white and Indian looking rough and tough. Both sides could be scary.
are you related to Johnny the Walrus?
The boy ain't right.
Actually, nobody celebrates Xmas in the traditional town of Chillingbourne.
I'm sure there were atrocities committed by all sides., yet the fundamental problem for the natives, was that settlers were taking over their land.
And they took land from one another...humans and tribalism...in every culture and continent.
I'm sure atrocities committed by all sides, yet the fundamental problem for settlers was that natives murdered them.
Fixed it for ya.
The Law of Conquest, recorded in written documention, has been ongoing since the dawn of civilization. The history of Man is of unrelenting warfare.
@@nobodyknows4590 And the army also slaughtered thousands of natives as well, as everyone knows
No one calls the Turkish out, as they did the same and took more land, and more land.
I like chocolate ice cream!!!!
Vanilla bean, myself!!!
@@doorusthewalrus6903 Nice!
Very sad BUT what did these people do to them
Why do you assume they did something?
Please don 't use the word, squaw. All Native Americans find the word highly offensive. Would you want all white women to be called "ho's"?
What is the correct term?
Native American woman just like you said a Mexican woman
I'm a native American (I was BORN here -- that's what the word "native" means), and I know the term "squaw" is NOT offensive.
In the Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary, copyrighted 1969 by Merriam-Webster (at a time when they took the science of lexicography seriously and were not politicizing their publications), it says: "an American Indian woman". It gives for an etymology that it was an Algonquian term meaning "woman".
Nope, nothing like "'ho's" at all.
If anything, the term "squaw' reminds people that indigenous women were the veritable property of their men. A squaw emphasizes that a woman was "somebody's woman" -- "somebody's squaw". That's the connotation of the term. But that was the reality. (It still wouldn't imply that they were prostitutes though.) Why should we erase inconvenient facts? Because the truth offends?
@@MrJm323 Trust me . . . don't call Native American women a squaw. We're Eastern Creeks. My sister is a robotics engineer and I was architect of the Oklahoma's Trail of Tears Memorial. My sister would probably put you on the next NASA rocket headed to Pluto. LOL
@@peopleofonefire9643 "My sister is...."
If she is anything more than a mother and drawer of water and firewood collector and cook for her "man", then it is because the "white man" brought the 18th century Enlightenment to your people.
Not LOL.
how stupid were the ute, look where they ended up, in 1848 taos was already in US hands
Very interesting and politically incorrect history. I love true history wherever it lies on the "political divide"!
Amen! Censorship is BS!
The native Americans fought bravely for their land
We killed each other every chance we got...
also liked and subbed buddy
Jicarilla were Apache they were hunters not farmers. So to place them in an area and told to grow crops was an insult . Massacres by Native American were rare at first ….. but with issues like Sand Creek showed Native American that negotiations with the snake tongue whites was pointless .
Rare? Doubtful
This would have been better narrated by Joe Pesci
Boy, talk about a "Don't They Know It's Christmas" moment!
"Lemme see here, Hank. We get some smelly pelts and we give them guns and ......."
"...alcohol, smallpox, kill off the herds of buffalo their culture depended on, introduce a Religion while simultaneously betraying half of its' Commandments and use it as justification for the broken treaties."
American Civil War 1861-1865.
Regin of Abraham Lincoln the 16th President.
, man , intense history . The wild west drama is cutthroat, watch your back .
photos do not match video!!!
Approximately 450 Shoshone were murdered along the Bear River near the Utah Idaho border during a winter raid by Colonel Conner in the late 1800s.
ACTUALLY, when killing is done in defense of innocent people, it's not murder. These Shoshone had been murdering emigrants traveling through the land to reach California. They had finally murdered enough Mormons, that Brigham Young was going to have them taken care of if the Federal government didn't. The Shoshone set up defensive breastworks, KNOWING that there was a battle coming. Their chief, refused to surrender to an arrest warrant in his name, though he was given the opportunity. He chose to fight and his people fought with him, thinking they had superior numbers. But Conner had been well planned in hiding his actual numbers. The Shoshone we're tricked in battle, and a well earned elimination of their renegade tribe was completed. This preliminary thinning of the Shoshone herd saved the lives of countless good and civilized people in exchange for the loss of lives of organized and deadly thieves, rapists, and warriors going under the name "Shoshone"
@Jethro Neemo That battle as you call it wasn't a battle, it was a Massacure, the US Army had gattlung guns, while the Shoshone, mean women and children were low on ammunition. When the Shoshone realized they were going to lose they gave up, and rode at the soldiers lines. The Army just fired with their guns until none were left to fire at. That isn't a battle, nor was it honorable. As for the Shoshone, they were freedom fighters fighting for the future of the people, as well the survival of all that was Shoshone. You can not make up, or say enough to justify what happened. Not how those atrocities are continuing to play out today.
@Captain Fanta it's my understanding that the military was using cannons. Colonel Conner was a cold blooded killer. The Mormons wanted the land, so they pushed the military into attacking.
@Jetho Neemo What would you do if you saw people stealing your land and slaughtering your food? The motivation behind the massacre was to complete the theft of the Indians land and to murder as many as possible so they wouldn't have to deal with them.
@Jethro Neemo Brigham Young was a murdering scumbag, just like his toady Colonel Conner. Just ask the survivors of the Mountain Meadow massacre.
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Slaves? Who get’s paid now?
Who realty owns the casino?
The American Indian were some of the finest lite cavalry the world has ever seen the saying was they were born on horseback and most were natural marksmen it was the numbers of the white men that made the out come inevitably
Not really. They had no concept of strategy or how to fight a long term war. They were reavers and raiders.
Take out a couple of their war leaders and it was "he who fights and runs away...."
That's why 28 bison hunter's held off 700 Comanchees (who were indeed great horsemen) at the 2nd Battle of Adobe Walls. As a book I read on the Comanchees put it... they did not have the cold blooded European calculus that would enable then to sustain heavy losses to secure a strategically advantageous position"
Light cavalry.
Interesting when you consider both guns and horses came from the European. Natives didn’t mind adopting that part of European culture.
I think you are talking about the Huns.
Do you know if the Indians had iron bits for their horses mouths?
Indians speak with forked tongues. Who knew?
On occasion, yes. Definitely more often than we are taught. It's also important not to generalize too much on either side when it comes to disparaging monikers .
learn from the best, the whites!
Natives traditionally did not lie. And those that did were left without a nose, or an ear or tongue. Lying was taught to us by the people who came from across the Atlantic ocean.
@@captainfanta8641 pipe down with the Noble Savage bs
@@captainfanta8641 Thats easily the most idiotic and cringe thing I've read in months. Shame on you sir
You'll always forget to mention that the land was already" settled " by the first nation people an the foreners wher trespassing an stole their land..
You can only own what you can defend and carry with you.
Oh no! Here we go again,And whom had they slaughtered and driven off the land when they arrived Bro???
I wish whoever prints this was literate.and whoever is reading the script isn't following what is being posted
Lol what?
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Cut the so called music and that will be good!
They stole all of Baca's horses. Baca then sent a rider to the Fort to warn them. LOL
The horses were in the corral. The rider was a hired hand who rode in when he heard shouting.
It's so sad that the Indians where lied to by the Mexican and white men remember they where fighting for there freedom for its was the Indians homeland first and its sad that all couldn't live peaceful
@Partty Setzer
Primary sources are filled with examples of how most tribes weren't above lying to get ahead themselves. Stealing property was practically a past time for most Indian youths. The prevailing philosophy being: if you're not strong enough to hold it, you don't deserve to own it.
Danny Divito knows who those yuts are lol
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The two Utes 😂
Interesting, but the use of the word "squaw" was unnecessary.
I stated this elsewhere on my channel, but I've never come across a primary or secondary source (outside of the odd 2010s grad student paper) that states "squaw" as meaning...errr, the oldest profession. This seems to be a modern, linguistic interpretation. Given the rampant distortion of American frontier history by current academics, I choose to stick with the tried and true terms.
That being said, if you know something I don't, please share so we all may learn.
Zasi war crime
God Bless the Indians our USA government was and is very evil
Thank goodness the savage indigenes were totally defeated. Because of that our property rights (and our very lives, indeed) were made secure.
Any indigenous person reading these words -- which requires electricity and sophisticated electronic and digital technology -- should be thankful for that historical fact.
This is what happens when an place not belonging to those who built the fort think they can just take over.
Like Russia in Ukraine.
Goes to say All Govornors in New Mexico have and still do remain the same .
Nothing in them ever changes and the Indian is supposed to be satisfied. AS THE WAY IT IS.
DECENDENTS OF THE TRIBES IN MODERN TIMES SAY NO WE DONT EXCEPT THEIR WORDS.For their words have different meaning of truth which never existed in them.
A indian descendent of the worst of the worst and proud of it .A heathen savage they call us then and now in their films today to boost has been actors.
A savage they think a savage they get the word is different to us as is the meaning.
HISTORY GETS JUSTICE
Quit begging and do something for yourselves then.
You're the reason you're in poverty, not us.
If Caucasians had not built a fort on Indigenous Lands this would have never happened
-COMANCHE NATION
The Comanche were blood thirsty savages who massacred , raped and tortured innocents regardless of race
Well it did and it happened …and as they say the rest is history
@@adrianrichards247 have you a degree to come up with a answer like that?
@@mkd7961 if you judge everyone by a piece of paper......your going to have a lot of letdowns in life / have a good xmas
@@adrianrichards247
Considering Caucasians in America don't have citizenship papers?
-COMANCHE NATION
Thank godyou beat us in your war of independence, because your history is terribly boring.
Settlers, not colonists. You’re welcome.
That is true...but I don't mean the world "colonist" as a pejorative. It's just a fitting, descriptive word.
A settler is more dangerous than a colonist. The colonist maybe leaves one day, the settler stays and overtakes.
Keep in mind the Mexican "settlers" had been living in the area for 250 years at that time, trading and intermarried with indigenous tribes.
@@schurlbirkenbach1995 ....So, the indigenes were yesterday's settlers then.
@@MrJm323 Right. Also the Kiowas came some decades earlier from Montana and were invaders.
Just goes to show how much you can trust Indians
*I wonder if you would call the non-provoked attacks on `Indian villages by the US Cavalry' as massacres?*
Yes. Unprovoked attacks on civilians are the technical term for "massacres."
@@doorusthewalrus6903 *How many of these histories do you cover when it is Indian civilians who were "massacred"?*
@@nun_bel_eever I'm doing...trying to do a series on the Sioux Indian Wars. I finished a video in the Fall about Sand Creek.
The ol' "what about..." fallacy is a rhetorical slight of hand. Yes, massacres occurred on BOTH sides of most conflicts (especially frontier wars). Neither side is excluded from atrocities. I picked this topic because I was researching events occurring around Christmas in the West. It's an overlooked event and is pretty dramatic. No judgements, just history. Merry Christmas! :)
@@doorusthewalrus6903 *A white Christmas conscience assuagement. But best of the land to you...*
*Not a trace of 'whatism' in my comments. Just straight to the conscience questions...*
*Still unassailable I see...*
What do you concider unprovoked
There will be blood and always was from all sides
Feel free to un ass our lands!!!
Let's face it if you come on to my property and bring all your belongings and you refuse to leave your belongings belong to me what's the problem with that