It is funny how most of the more well-known nintendo characters are kinda dogshit in melee, while most of the top tiers are more obscure. Like imagine if Mario and Luigi switched places with Fox and Falco on the tier list, and Link switched with Marth. Melee would be perceived as a fundamentally different game.
This is a rare treat to see. I have seen Pikachu vs DK in almost every Smash game at high level except for here and Brawl. Honestly Pikachu destroys DK the majority of the time so it's nice seeing this match
I think Pikachu should still be favored on this match up by a bit, dont think Axe adapted well, edgeguards are everything, too many unsafe nairs, could has used more thunderjolts, etc. June did play amazing tho, congratz to him
As a PM player, where DK is amazing, his matchup reminds me of DK vs Meta Knight. And that matchup is honestly even at best for Meta Knight because DK can CC and grab so many openers, and the punish game is seamless. This is one of those matchups for Pika where they can do so much right and still get deleted off of one to two openings, literally every stock. And then if you die to punch he just charges another while you die off the top.
yeah I think axe should've tried one of his pockets. he has such good secondaries, really surprised he doubled down on same char and same stage twice. the matchup looks absolutely miserable lol
probably something he learned during his time playing other smash titles. He was a top brawl player for its entirety before transitioning to PM and finally Melee full time more recently.
Well to be fair he is one of the best PM players like if he had access to PM diddy in melee (which obviously will never happen), mans would literally win most grand finals
@@itsmethethingg The best thing about PM is that so many characters are viable in neutral. It really helps you practice against a ton of styles. That seems to have prepared Junebug. That's sorta what SD Remix did for Melee, but Nintendo would never permit it.
As much as DK getting 3rd has me celebrating like a madman, I gotta admit that seeing Axe so dejected is still sad 😅 Even as a Marth main, I have to admit that Axe is one of the coolest guys in the scene and it just hurts to see him sad
@@conordetwiller7634 eh dk and pikachu are pretty comparable characters imo. they have similar matchup spreads except that pika does waaay better into falcon and a bit better into marth, and dk is a bit better into the rest of the cast (aside from sheik)
OMFG OMG AHHHHHHHH HE DID THE THING 1:59 !!!!! He never does cargo jump throw dj dair on side plat and I told him BEFORE Sunday he could do that vs pika, Marth, sheik AND HE FUCKING DID IT ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?!
Does anyone know any matchup above Game & Watch on the tierlist that Pikachu actually wins? Lol I feel like he's 30-70, 40-60 and 45-55 vs every high, mid and some low tiers, with his best chances Marth and Falcon being maybe 50-50. Maybe he wins against Mario? Never seen that matchup before but nobody plays him either, he's kind of there on the tierlist by technicality of being slightly worse than Doc.
Pika probably goes even with Luigi and Ganon. Wins against the Links. Maybe goes even with Doc but Doc gets a lot of his throws even if he’s easy to edge guard.
This guy pivot shields in netural just to face the other way for when pika over shoots nair to get a shield grab..... he is way too good. Up B wont hit on over shoot nair and he knew to adjust. What a guy
Think Axe was focusing too much on skirmishing and not pressuring hard. Donkey Kong gets like 2 interactions and gets a stock, but Pikachu is just getting like 10% off these little conversions
His biggest hope is getting the edge guards not building damage, he probably has to stop running at DK too Pika at least has the speed to get away from DK so probably just needs to camp.
It looks horrible what do you mean lmao. DK has to win 2 - 3 neutrals for a stock and Pikachu has to win at least ten it looks like. Yeah in general Pika will win more neutral wins but CC and people mess up will make it where DK can eventually get a counter hit and just blow up the Pika. (My opinion its DK favored but I’m not sure by how much)
@@masterofbrawlstar6789 When I think about it a little more I think Axe just needs to camp DK more and not dive into his grabs, basically it’s the grab that makes this MU look so volatile.
Loser of the last game decides where to play next, and you can go back to a stage if you haven't won there yet. If Axe won any game on Battlefield he wouldn't be able to go back after that. For why he chose Battlefield I don't know, maybe he thought Dreamland or Fountain of Dreams weren't as good in the matchup
@@rachelivy9712also DK is definitely not high tier. I can buy Yoshi being a tier above Peach (higher than Falcon is ridiculous) but DK is firmly Samus level of viable.
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I love the devs finally adding DK to melee after 20 years
When the niche mid tier meets the nicher midder tier
nicher midder tier, I love the phrase
(This implies Pikachu is mid tier)
@@NessMother2and?
@@Gooboobananas And he's not mid tier
@@NessMother2 Tournament results tell a different story, but go off!
It’s happening it’s happening it’s happening
20DK
DK start his rap
it's happening
@@LightKnight_Age_OfDk 3 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😮😮😮😮😮
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It's happening bobby
Axe was NOT ready for the leader of the bunch.
I agree
He did NOT know him well
@@turnham4327 😂😂 terrible
@@turnham4327He was NOT finally back to kick some tail
A Junebug winners finals looks very realistic, we might see a DK in top 3
okay I was going to say "calm down," but then I went to check the bracket... it's doable lol
It's definitely possible, though I don't think he'll get past Mango in winners finals
If Cody were to win against Mang0, we might see DK in grands
joshman is a very real threat, we just have to see
@@arayyang7943 yeah can't get ahead of myself
DK vs Pikachu? What is this, Super Smash Bros?
It is funny how most of the more well-known nintendo characters are kinda dogshit in melee, while most of the top tiers are more obscure. Like imagine if Mario and Luigi switched places with Fox and Falco on the tier list, and Link switched with Marth. Melee would be perceived as a fundamentally different game.
@@silvergalaxia8538that's always been the one thing that irks me about Melee.
You must be new to the community 😂
junebug and axe having a literal mid off (genuinely hype)
This is a rare treat to see. I have seen Pikachu vs DK in almost every Smash game at high level except for here and Brawl.
Honestly Pikachu destroys DK the majority of the time so it's nice seeing this match
I think Pikachu should still be favored on this match up by a bit, dont think Axe adapted well, edgeguards are everything, too many unsafe nairs, could has used more thunderjolts, etc. June did play amazing tho, congratz to him
As a PM player, where DK is amazing, his matchup reminds me of DK vs Meta Knight. And that matchup is honestly even at best for Meta Knight because DK can CC and grab so many openers, and the punish game is seamless. This is one of those matchups for Pika where they can do so much right and still get deleted off of one to two openings, literally every stock. And then if you die to punch he just charges another while you die off the top.
Pikachu just gets actually deleted in this matchup omg 😭
Got grabbed at like 65 and was dead... Id like to apologize DK I was unfamiliar with your game
yeah I think axe should've tried one of his pockets. he has such good secondaries, really surprised he doubled down on same char and same stage twice. the matchup looks absolutely miserable lol
Probably wanted to keep learning/practicing. He is a grinder after all@@ammonstyles5224
DK destroys another yellow object, this time not loaded with Potassium.
God damn June is fucking good at this game. His neutral is wild.
probably something he learned during his time playing other smash titles. He was a top brawl player for its entirety before transitioning to PM and finally Melee full time more recently.
He beat Armada in PM and PPMD
Well to be fair he is one of the best PM players like if he had access to PM diddy in melee (which obviously will never happen), mans would literally win most grand finals
@@itsmethethingg The best thing about PM is that so many characters are viable in neutral. It really helps you practice against a ton of styles. That seems to have prepared Junebug.
That's sorta what SD Remix did for Melee, but Nintendo would never permit it.
rare moment of people cheering against axe my god
DK vs. Pika on Winner's Side of Top 16 at Supernova 2024, a Melee supermajor. Melee is sick.
As much as DK getting 3rd has me celebrating like a madman, I gotta admit that seeing Axe so dejected is still sad 😅 Even as a Marth main, I have to admit that Axe is one of the coolest guys in the scene and it just hurts to see him sad
yeah that sad face of his was soul-crushing. made me want to give up on life lol. love axe way too much to wanna see that
It's so crazy to hear a crowd cheer against Axe. Junebug on the come-up!
Junebug is quickly taking over the scene
This MU is rarer than Big Foot finding a Dodo bird.
He's bigger, faster and stronger too...
Will DK win a major?
no, but it's funny that a DK makes it in top8
Man is insane 🎉
The character was a mid low tier in every tier list
I believe the Dong can be Expanded!
@@ayrtonpavot3096 no, trust in DK ape will conquer
Honestly yeah I believe DK will win a major
I can't believe I'm watching this matchup in 2024 O_o
Spoiler
Pika just doesn’t have the explosiveness to kill dk. It’s a HUGE up hill battle for pika while dk kinda just deletes pika
Because DK is a better character
@@conordetwiller7634 for a long time people said other wise. Actually the last 15 years so what are you on about 😂
I wouldn't say DK is necessarily a better character. But he does well in this match-up!
@Rez_97 I mean Yoshi was a bottom tier and Link used to be top tier. So what's your point?
@@conordetwiller7634 eh dk and pikachu are pretty comparable characters imo. they have similar matchup spreads except that pika does waaay better into falcon and a bit better into marth, and dk is a bit better into the rest of the cast (aside from sheik)
OMFG OMG AHHHHHHHH HE DID THE THING 1:59 !!!!! He never does cargo jump throw dj dair on side plat and I told him BEFORE Sunday he could do that vs pika, Marth, sheik AND HE FUCKING DID IT ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?!
The Junebug turnaround shield grab constantly countering Axe overshot nairs
I mostly watch Ultimate but this is hype to see DK in a top 8, monke time
the year is 20DK
Its monke time
Bro HOLY SHIT, that 0 to death at 1:57 is INSANE!!!! The king of the pack for sure.
I dont see Junebug beating Mango but if he can somehow dodge him he'll make it really far imo
1:59 i used to be a DK hater but now junebug showed me the light
Outcrowding Axe is always so crazy.
Crowd went crazy with the Ape Applause
Tech in place every time
WELCOME TO MELEE 2024. FIGHT PIKACHU AND DK IN WINNER’S QUARTERS.
8:13 Ok but imagine this at Evo or Big House Grand Finals
LETS GO JUNE
DONKEY KONGGGGGGGG
9:20 is such a banger moment.
So funny 😂😂😂 that pika scream so fitting 😂😂😂😂 im dying lmao
The way pikachu shrieks at the end of that combo makes my heart hurt. Just destroyed from that sequence 2:08
I expect to see some of this in AsumSaus's future video "Junebug: The Only DK (who could do it)".
Donkey kong and Samus killing it!
Coming from Ultimate, it's crazy to me seeing a game where DK counters Pikachu
the melee bingo card going wild this year
Excellent commentary
Good players and good commentary!
Does anyone know any matchup above Game & Watch on the tierlist that Pikachu actually wins? Lol I feel like he's 30-70, 40-60 and 45-55 vs every high, mid and some low tiers, with his best chances Marth and Falcon being maybe 50-50. Maybe he wins against Mario? Never seen that matchup before but nobody plays him either, he's kind of there on the tierlist by technicality of being slightly worse than Doc.
Pika probably goes even with Luigi and Ganon. Wins against the Links. Maybe goes even with Doc but Doc gets a lot of his throws even if he’s easy to edge guard.
it’s all coming together
Free Hax
0:29 voice crack
Funnily enough, Axe could have actually opted for Young Link here.
Is that my boy wisely on the mic! Yoooooo
This guy pivot shields in netural just to face the other way for when pika over shoots nair to get a shield grab..... he is way too good. Up B wont hit on over shoot nair and he knew to adjust. What a guy
11:56 DING DONG
Tier list 2026
1. Yoshi
2. Pikachu
3. DK
Mark my words, DK will win a Major in about Two years
LETS FUCKING GO JUNEBUG
We got DK in top 8 before GTA 6
Think Axe was focusing too much on skirmishing and not pressuring hard. Donkey Kong gets like 2 interactions and gets a stock, but Pikachu is just getting like 10% off these little conversions
His biggest hope is getting the edge guards not building damage, he probably has to stop running at DK too Pika at least has the speed to get away from DK so probably just needs to camp.
Waiting to leffen saying "ban to DK from tournaments"..
insane
It is upsetting that Axe lost, but Junebug did well here. Maybe next time.
I wonder why axe didn't thunder when junebug recover high🤔
Please don't let the rats into the Gorilla enclosure
Pikachu vs dk is now probably 55-45 for pickachu
It looks horrible what do you mean lmao. DK has to win 2 - 3 neutrals for a stock and Pikachu has to win at least ten it looks like. Yeah in general Pika will win more neutral wins but CC and people mess up will make it where DK can eventually get a counter hit and just blow up the Pika. (My opinion its DK favored but I’m not sure by how much)
@@jebril i mean axe is clearly not experienced enough in the match up so for now it will remains at 55-45 unless axe really cannot win this match up
@@jebril I think Pikachu wins the match up too by a bit, Junebug just played way better this set
@@masterofbrawlstar6789 When I think about it a little more I think Axe just needs to camp DK more and not dive into his grabs, basically it’s the grab that makes this MU look so volatile.
I think DK thought Pikachu was a banana and that’s why Pikachu got destroyed
Real talk, I’m not a huge melee fan, but is there no other pikachu player than just axe? I feel like he’s the only pikachu player in the world
Jchu and Swift are crazy good
Swift is like a top 30 player
Axe triangle jumps ❤
this matchup looks 75-25 for DK, he has to get like 2 grabs per stock and axe has to hit him like 15 times lol
Hmmm... It looks like DK can work pikachu over pretty good on Battlefield
Axe died so dk could fly
How come they play the same stage 3 times…
Loser of the last game decides where to play next, and you can go back to a stage if you haven't won there yet. If Axe won any game on Battlefield he wouldn't be able to go back after that. For why he chose Battlefield I don't know, maybe he thought Dreamland or Fountain of Dreams weren't as good in the matchup
7:57
Bro this matchup fucking sucks lmaooo i feel so bad for axe last stock game two “wow i got grabbed twice and died”
lol this Olympics style commentator
JUNEBUG
Is DK a secret high tier??? What is happening?!
2:01 Bro did you really just call Gaint Punch "donkey punch"??? Spend less time on urban dictionary lmao
Ooommgg. Dk Dk Dk
Feel bad for Axe he’s finally understanding he picked a mid tier, DK and Yoshi are High tiers, Pikachu, Peach, and Samus are midtiers.
quite the take for top 8 ing a major 1 time in 20+ years.
Peach is high tier, her best players just stopped being active.
@@rachelivy9712also DK is definitely not high tier. I can buy Yoshi being a tier above Peach (higher than Falcon is ridiculous) but DK is firmly Samus level of viable.
Wtf 😂❤
Wow
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i dont usually say this but i dont really like the commentary so much