The Unfairly Hated Doctor Who TARDIS Adventure
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Does Series 7's "Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS" still hold up to this day? Or does it still deserve its less than stellar reputation?
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Well, I've been watching Doctor Who since 1964, so . . . . what's the deal? I think this episode is brilliant. I take it that - supposedly - I'm a . . . 'fan' of this series? Also, a good - and late - friend of mine had a very enthusiastic discussion about the episode afterwards. Senior to me by about a quarter century and he was enthusiastic about JTTCOTT as well. Both longstanding Whovians, SF artists and writers. Could easily take more of it!
There should be more TARDIS only episodes
If you pay attention at the beginning of the ep, you'll actually notice how the 'big friendly button'. Is the same button used to activate the tractor beam by the brothers. Meaning by pressing that button he deactivated the tractor beam, freeing the tardis.
hmph! i’ve watched this episode numerous times and never got the connection. thanks!
Upon rewatching I’ve realized that the “big friendly button” that falls into the tardis at the beginning of the episode is actually the one from the timeline where Clara and the rest die, which means that the doctor had previously gone through a loop….which makes me wonder …..if those episodes where there’s significant plot armor for the characters could the doctor have gone through several outcomes until he comes to the one where he wins?
@@AxelaxiB 🤔 i can see that
I'm impressed!
I only really caught that on my latest rewatch, and appreciate it much more as an ending now, because it makes total sense.
When Eleven gets angry it's genuinly terrifying. He keeps his facade of being fun and easygoing up so hard that when the floodgates bursts it's like a completely different person.
I like that he poked a bit of fun at his "angry face/voice" in this ep. 😂 Smith is really good at doing both!
Matt Smith ❤
Imagine the doctors name is just something really simple like steve 😂
It was obviously something simple enough for Clara to be able to read and understand it and not something so alien she couldn't even comprehend it.
Like, the Gallifreyan version of Steve - for us it would probably still sound alien and wonderful and exotic.
Or something more boring like Ben or Paul.
@@was3513 yeah, but if it was Ben it would almost seem like a Star Wars reference to Ben Kenobi or Ben Solo. 🤔 😅
I still love the meme that came out of Name of the Doctor where the door to his tomb opens after he says "PLEASE!" and it cuts to Clara looking like "....Doctor Please?"
Finally, we get to see something of the Tardis itself, just enough to tease what other rooms might be hidden inside it, They should explore it more in future episodes, it would be more interesting than half the barren planets the Doctor and his companions always seem to find themselves on.
I like the dynamic between the Doctor and Clara in this episode, how he wants her and the tardis to get along, how he wants to protect her and then in the end how he learns to see her for who she really is and she learns to trust him as well. I find it interesting that she actually learned his real name but of course had the memory of it wiped by the end of the episode, that would have been to much for her to have known and just more ammunition for those that say That Clara knows/ does too much and tries to outshine the Doctor.
The Van Baalen brothers were okay but what they did to Tricky was just mean and cruel, how could you do that to your own brother just to have more control of the late father's salvage company? It's true that sometimes the people you have to watch out for the most can be your own family, they can turn on you the quickest. As for the reset button ending, yeah, that was kind of lazy and lame but it doesn't deter me from still liking the episode. 8/10 for me.
The episode really did help to establish the massive size of the TARDIS (even if it was just to get the audience to accept the state of the TARDIS in the finale) and it's something that was lost with 13's TARDIS redesign where it really does feel like a studio set for the first time since 9 & 10's.
the one big problem I have with this episode is that it makes no sense the tardis could be damaged by a salvage ship. Think what the tardis can hold back in other episodes.
I am genuinely terrified by the time zombies (their unofficial name)
And find myself amazed by the fact we have two universes to explore in Doctor who, and not just the one. The universe, and the tardis.
Oh my god, me too! I thought i was the only one! I haven't watched this episode since it aired when i was about 9 years old! and only just worked up the courage to watch this review!
I think one of the tie-in books called them that too
If nothing else, the episode features (modern) Clara's prettiest look at least. I love her sparkly red dress. 🧧✨
I think she looked best in Snowmen, Time of the Doctor and the Robin Hood episode.
@@george4821 Oooh yeah, I love her medieval maiden look from Robot of Sherwood!
1000000% agree
Time Heist, Under the lake, Face the Raven looks are my favourites
Pretty much all her outifts look great and Jenna being so cute makes them look even better. There's even people online who put together her various outfits to cosplay her.
Wait this episode was hated?? I loved this episode!
It's interesting because I actually didn't care for the episode the first time I saw it, but I revisited it about a year ago and found that there's quite a lot of it, particularly the intense Doctor vs Clara/Time Zombie climax, that is genuinely great, and genuinely chilling. I also like how, in a sense, The Doctor's darker nature eluded to in Hide, and then shown here, sorta acts as a springboard to Capaldi's first Season being about the question: "Am I a good man?" It's like, because so much of his final months of his preceding incarnation were so aggressive, that the next incarnation is affected slightly.
With that, one thing you didn't mention: In this episode, there's a room with 'Living Metal', and I genuinely wonder if this was actually a callback to Silver Nemesis, which involved a sentient statue, capable of overpowering destruction, forged from living metal. --- Oh, and your Flat Earth joke - Brilliant!
"The Tardis is in lockdown". Oh, those innocent days was "lockdown" was just a word.....
Great concept, messy execution.
I still like it because it’s Clara and Eleven
"if it all ends up being for nothing" no? not just character changes but also the fact that without that journey the characters would be dead.
I remember the first 5th doctor episode where he went through the TARDIS and seeing allot of the inside for my first time. If I remember, it showed the second console room.
I seem to recall reading somewhere the tardis keeps an archive of all previous cnsole rooms, and I think they're functional
I love this episode, even if just for the concept (Invasion of Time fell, so Journey could fly!), I had no idea it was disliked by fans.
Besides, this is probably my favourite look for Eleven - I love the trousers, waistcoat, pocket watch and rolled up sleeves combo.
I would like to say the whole big friendly button thing also works super well after seeing the 50th because the war doctor even says why is there never a big red button. I just like how this episode kinda seeds that whole it was just one button solution
It also links to "the one who regrets, and the one who forgets" line that the war doctor makes about 10 and 11. If he wasn't the one who forgets he would never be complaining about the lack of a big red button.
Isnt It implied that Clara remembers at least some of what she learned in the library?
Yeah, in the name of the doctor she experiences de ja vu, and realises she's climbed through the TARDIS before.
That android reveal is so fucked up, and he just lives the rest of his life thinking that??. Jesus.
His brothers have zero empathy, monsters.
@@user-is7xs1mr9y one of them yes the other was ok just sorta followed
I really enjoyed this episode! One of the more memorable ones from 11’s time
A dud imo, and the fact Clara found out and they did nothing with it just reverting back felt disappointing in the extreme.
There is a good story in there somewhere fighting to get out
This is it, my favorite episode that fully kicked off my love of Doctor Who. It was during the hiatus for the 50th anniversary and I’d waited weeks for the series 7B DVD to be available since I requested it. I remember being sprawled out on the basement floor, drawing every Doctor and companion that I knew about. I loved episodes that referenced past continuity, which is why I loved both this and The Name of the Doctor. I’d watched every other episode before it in New Who, but this was finally new and recent. I always remember one of the Baylin brothers taking apart the console, Susan from an Unearthly Child, the 5th Doctor from Time Crash, and Amy from The Beast Below in the background.
I loved it. Scary, tense, well-acted. Plots weren’t all winners, but the aforementioned positives paper over those cracks. A winner in my book.
This and The Doctors Wife are my 2 favorite nuwho eps. I think they're tremendous with magnificent storytelling and visuals. Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead and my 2nd favorites.
Basically, The TARDIS is just a less malevolent version of The Backrooms stuck inside of a police box.
Of course the Doctor isn’t sexually assaulting Clara, he would never sexually assault a woman. Now what episode’s next? The Crimson Horror? Um…
2019 counts as "way back"?! Well shit, I really have lost all track of how time works. Ironic for this show all about time 🤣
I think I'd have liked this episode more if it hadn't done the trope of resetting to the status quo. I think the rest of the series would've potentially been stronger if Clara knew about how Clara died twice. It would've imo made the epsiode feel less one and done and been important to the character delevlopment of the Doctor's and Clara's relationship. Especially if Clara herself was also intrigued how she did it too.
EDIT: Something I forgot to add but something I really did like about this episode is how the Doctor is trying to figure out Clara and immediately goes to trick or trap, I think it's very in theme with this Doctor when you consider the Silence have on two occasions attempted to take his life so naturally "the impossible girl" would be something he'd think the Silence would use to lure him in.
I feel for me this is like a lot of 7b, in that it is a great concept with some good moments but I just feel the landing of it ultimately just doesn't quite land as well with me and has a weird vibe, but it is much better than people often give credit
one of my favourites from season 7 ngl
I dont like this episode because it just resets at the end like nothing had ever happened so why should i waste my time watching the episode if it doesnt matter.
Does this also apply to Turn Left? Just asking.
Well, that's not necessarily true. As we see later, some of the events seem to have leaked out, like how in the end the brothers seem to treat each other better.
@@Quirderph I think the difference is that in Turn Left, you go into it knowing it's an alternate universe and that it's not going to stick, whereas with episodes like these you THINK there's going to be a lasting impact, and then there just... isn't any, and that isn't satisfying. I get what you mean though.
I'm sorry, 😂 the way you said at 9:16 how kids would be given nightmares "especially the ones fused together," I happened to be looking away when you said that, and my mind, just for a moment, a millisecond, it thought: Wait the kids watching are fused together? I imagine that would be hard for Siamese twins to watch! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I always really liked this episode other than the ending, where Clara forgets her very honest conversatuon with the Doctor. Thank you for going over all of the good parts and showing that this isn't the worst episode ever lol
Tell Dushane.. if he wants his salvage of a life time.. he needs to bring me my Clara. (If you know you know)
2013, almost 1 decade ago? I can´t believe how fast time went by. I loved it, just to see more of this awesome machine!
now it is a decade ago.
This episode had so much waisted potential in my opinion
I hope that one day we can have another version of this episode with a new Tardis in future
Ironic how this was made because of the original version which had wasted potential
I really don't like that she learned his name, I don't like Clara so I am biased. But I dont think even my favourite companions should know his name. The only one should be River. and maybe Rose.
I must be so easy to please because I like everything people hate on this show
so... the name of the Doctor is just written in old book inside tardis library? Like his biggest secret could be discovered by any bookworm who just happen to read some books while in the Tardis? I know this is very unlikely because only erased version of Clara discovered it but still: c'mon...
1. That library is in the Tardis which naturally makes it inaccessible to the vast, vast majority of his enemies.
2. The Tardis usually controls its own layout and what rooms are actually accessible/manifested at any given time. This means that under circumstances where it isn't actively dying like it was in the episode, the Tardis can keep anybody from accessing any room besides the main console without its approval. Because the Tardis is very found of her stolen time lord, she'll naturally keep his secret hidden when she's capable barring her foreknowledge indicating that it is important not to.
As someone who's primarily seen New Who I absolutely adored this episode on release, finally exploring the depths we've only heard about. Throughout my time playing Minecraft, one of my favorite concepts was building these sprawling TARDIS passages and the spaces they lead. This episode gave me massive inspiration to work with that I still implement to this day. Even though they end up separate by this point, I still group my library and swimming pool together
I don't know why but I always thought the "Time Zombies" were both the other versions of Clara the Doctor had somehow gone and collected to study and such to go with this obsession with Clara... Huh guess I was wrong...
I hate that you’re making me like 7B Harbo.
Good, Series 7B is overhated
One of the best of season 7
Although I've watched Matt Smith's era many times sometimes I'll just watch your videos and be like wtf I don't remember any of this?
For me the fact that she knew his 'real name' in the Tardis meant that when she said his name is the doctor, to the timelords, they knew she was telling the truth.
This was the first episode I saw in its entirety, and it both terrified me and also sold me on the show.
This one of my fav episode s
In this episode, more than most, I could almost hear the voice of Idris speaking as the Tardis
"Journey to the Corridors of the TARDIS". I know we can only do so much in 45 mins but I just wish they'd spent less time on the time zombies (shoehorn monsters if ever I saw them) and more time just exploring.
I always wished this episode was a two parter, because the TARDIS is so damn big, that 1 epsiode just isn't enough to do it justice
Love your videos I would say though a lot of people judge episodes just by enjoyment not by who wrote them. Everyone I know in my life don't know who wrote what they only know gaiman because of his books and then they know the names of the showrunners:)
You keep on talking about your journey to talking like a UA-camr
Are you self-taught, or have you been taking lessons in voice acting and engaging your audience?
I've been a fan of yours the whole time and your writing style and perceptive analysis have always enhanced the show for me.
Self-taught, I just learned from practice :)
The hospital used for filming the Invasion of Time sequences looks like somewhere they’d film a Tomorrow People episode.
Love this episode. Series 7 is very underrated
This is so weird how I have no memory of this and the previous episode I'm just??
It was fine I didn't have any problem with it unlike the last couple of seasons
Well the huge outdoor landscape is not particularly surprising after, you know, an actual star
I have a very specific memory attached to this episode And it is nothing to do with the actual episode it was more about what was going on in my personal life at the time and I think that has influenced how I feel about this episode. I was staying over at my friend Caitlin's house for the weekend because my brother was working and my parents were away. My parents marriage at this point was very much failing and this weekend was their last ditch effort to save it and it failed. But I had no clue what was happening with my parents cus I was busy having fun with my friend cus we were really close and got on really well. It is just very mixed feelings for me. I do like the episode. I think the concept is very interesting. 7 out of 10.
Sorry to hear this
I actually really like this episode I didn't know it was disliked 🧑🦯
Doctor Who did the Backrooms before it was cool!
This episode is the best episode of doctor who I watched so far.
I don’t even know if I like this episode or not. I just like the tardis exploration
Hated? By who?
I liked it.
This was one of my favorite episodes to rewatch when DW was still on Netflix. I think it was great for the fact we saw so much of the TARDIS, but it made it more mysterious, not less. It was treated as an environment that bordered on whimsical and familiar and also dangerous if you were too unassuming. I think the treatment of Clara's reaction to the Doctor's real name was in line with my own thoughts. I think of his name as being awe inspiring or shameful or impressive only with proper context. A human who, frankly, barely knew him at this time would simply think, "Huh. So that's it? Why keep that secret?" I think Time Lords would know why. Or people and races familiar with the history of time travel. Maybe it's never said because it'd be paradoxical to say it; maybe naming him carries some ill omen; maybe it's just embarrassing. The Doctor's name is only interesting because we know him and his facets well, but he also carries deep mystery and stands as some barely known galactic protector.
#Harbo
#CrispyForShowrunner
I’ve just watched your review of The Unicorn and The Wasp. Here’s my review of your review,I’ve tried to be constructive where I can be as I enjoy your channel very much.
I hope you see this as constructive criticism because nothing unpleasant is intended
My review
ARRRRRRGH❗️HARBO DO YOUR RESEARCH❗️ MISS MARPLE DID NOT APPEAR IN AGATHA CHRISTIE NOVELS UNTIL 1927❗️
Her first appearance was in a short story published in The Royal Magazine in December 1927 two years after this episode is set in (1925) So Donna could have influenced her creation of Miss Marple yet you cryptically said the dates didn’t align,they certainly do!
Also Agatha Christie didn’t go missing for a couple of days she went missing for 11 days. Three theories hold up to what happened to her A. She had a nervous breakdown after the death of her mother B. She ran away in embarrassment because her husband had an affair C, it was a cynical publicity stunt to get her name out there as she was a little known author at the time. Do your research Harbo. I still think you do great work!
Many thanks from cashel Dublin Eire 💚🔷
I don't mind a reset but I wish they had kept their memories like has happened countless times in the past. The only reason I can see for them forgetting is the fact that Clara saw the Doctor's name which is another part I'm not a fan of. Clara remembering these events would have allowed the nest few stories to explore the idea of the Impossible Girl concept more in interesting ways. It would have led to interesting conversations that could have potentially made the series 7b arc less hated.
I also don't agree on the time zombies and never found them intimidating. I've never understood the popularity of zombies as I find them the most boring supernatural threat. When I do like a piece of zombie media it's because of the characters and how they interact with the new world around them. One thing I enjoyed about the Last of Us was there was far fewer zombies than I expected and it focused on the people and how they adapted to the apocalypse. Plus those zombies have a really interesting and uncomfortable design and all look unique. The time zombies in this episode all look like like the rock woman from Fires of Pompeii.
I think Neil Gaiman's take on this idea worked a lot better and felt more intimidating. While the constant corridors was due to a budget constraint, makes the overtaken TARDIS feel claustrophobic and gives the sense they are trapped in an everchanging infinite machine. It was also great seeing old console rooms again which is an idea I wish this episode had utilised. Didn't they have a First Doctor TARDIS set built for an Adventure in Space and Time by this point?
I don't think the brothers need to be here for this a TARDIS exploration story and I really don't like how the TARDIS literally was killed by a salvage teams tractor beam when one setting was off. I much prefer the idea of only the Doctor and their companion stuck in the TARDIS. Although I am happy Moffat shot down the idea of having schoolchildren in this episode.
i loved this episode as a kid, still love it now. I always wanted to see more rooms in the tardis (though the pool wasnt in the library lol) and this episode did the interiors great justice
So strange that people didn't like this one! It's got it all, spooky timey wimy monsters, a claustrophobic base under seige story set in a expansive scfi location and the ending isn't the 'soft reboot' 'it was all a dream' ending that people seem to think it is!
My favourite episode
The concept of the TARDIS defending itself kinda reminds me of the movie Event Horizon, dunno which came first tho
That Gregor is a top boy in my opinion
I never realised that this was a much hated episode , I am heavily biased and don’t heavily analyse what I’m watching but I genuinely really enjoyed this episode and it stuck out to me and would consider it one of favourite episodes strangely
I LOVED this episode. It intrigued me, and horrified me. 10/10 would get nightmares again.
Thank you for this. I didn’t like this episode when I saw it, so I haven’t seen it since.
I’ll watch it again now.
I loved this show. It has everything space,spaceships,monsters,people in danger and a mad man to get them out of it. The best part for me was the tardis tree. It is the hope of science to build such a item in the far future. I hope someday ,we can and be worthy of it.😉
One of my favorite episodes. Even the doctor has said that time travel is very confusing. PS how many times did the doctor throw the big friendly button on to the tardis floor or Clara picked it up before they got it right. Otherwise time loop.
The TARDIS having a reaction to a companion was done in the audios with Charlotte Pollard, a flashback in Patient Zero to the opening of The Condemned having a character no one can see or hear (the reason involves Daleks) noting the TARDIS didn’t like Charley, and deliberately withdrawing a protection against viruses usually afforded to companions so Charley was infected with a particularly nasty virus.
The TARDIS empathically picking up on the mood of its inhabitants and performing accordingly is my theory for why the Doctor’s piloting skills took a dive in season 19, the Fifth Doctor and his three companions weren’t exactly harmonious and Tegan could get petulant when the promised destination of Heathrow 1981 was missed.
Yes, like she’s saying ‘I’ll show you, you bitch!’
this ep has some p major flaws, but it was executed fine and is such a good concept that its still a good episode
Thank you for this. I didn’t like this episode when I saw it, so I haven’t seen it since.
I’ll watch it again now.
💖
I think this episode isn’t underrated, in a few who dislike the episode but also a few who love it
I never saw this episode? Was it on netflix?
Neil Gaiman as in from The sandman
i always felt that it was greatly inspired by red dwarf
can you even try to defend the chimball era of DrWho? I mean his writing not Jodie wittiker (I atleast think she was somewhat trying)
hahahahaha
I think as a guy you shouldn't be telling women how to react to "being touched on a bum with a cloth". It's not that bad but with all the sexualization we experience by older men, bosses, coworkers, strangers, even family 😐 and it starts when we're VERY young... you just don't know what it's like to have all that woman experience
An underrated episode in my opinion. I like this one.
I love this episode man i need more tardis centric episodes
I never knew this was despised at all
All TARDIS episodes are worth a look
I think I missed an entire series of the show.
I remember this episode terrified me when I saw it
I remember watching this episode when it came out. I was 9. Needless to say I was terrified
Oh God, i was the same age. I've not watched this broadcast. I didn't know their names at the time. So whenever i'd talk about them to my mum, i'd always call them "The Burnt billies."
Next up the crimson horror
11 was a legend
I love this episode
Goodness, you really do love season 7b
I've got mixed feelings on this episode, because I like the main story, but the ending does blow, and I hate the crack at the beginning about Clara needing the TARDIS "on basic mode" because "women can't drive" 🙄. I've never heard the criticism that he assaults her though
I really don't think that Clara needing the ship on basic mode is a "woman driver" joke, more so that Clara is a human who, unlike a Timelord, wouldn't be able to fly the TARDIS at its most complex. It's been pretty well established that a TARDIS usually has 6 pilots, and even some Timelords can't get the hang of flying one, so I think it's pretty reasonable for a singular human to need a 'basic mode' in order to fly it.
@@HarryButHarry yeah, but Clara says "Is it because I'm a girl?" and then 11 makes a smug face
@@Read-alert so you looked too deeply into something, and assumed bad faith. kinda cringe.
besides, it's the bbc, nothing remotely edgy would have been allowed. grow up you pathetic yank
In my mind, this is an episode that needed to happen (a long overdue exploration of the TARDIS), but was ultimately not that enjoyable.
Flannel slaps are sexual assault?
SPOILER alert
I just wish that we could have seen the swimming pool in the library. I loved the episode, but I was waiting for that moment the whole time.